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Listen to PSIA-E Education Staff Members Dave Capron and Angelo Ross discuss their lives as ski instructors, both inside and outside the ski industry. Interviews with industry insiders.

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    • Apr 11, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
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    Season 5, Episode 9 audio: The Responsibility of the Learner and Creating Educational Pathways

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2025 75:28


    The Chaos and Company duo discuss the importance of student responsibility in their own learning journey. They emphasize how individuals can leverage available opportunities and resources to create personalized educational pathways that align with their goals. While the process isn't always easy, it's ultimately up to each person to recognize what they have access to and find ways to use those opportunities to achieve success.

    Season 5, Episode 9 video: The Responsibility of the Learner and Creating Educational Pathways

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2025 75:28


    The Chaos and Company duo discuss the importance of student responsibility in their own learning journey. They emphasize how individuals can leverage available opportunities and resources to create personalized educational pathways that align with their goals. While the process isn't always easy, it's ultimately up to each person to recognize what they have access to and find ways to use those opportunities to achieve success.

    Season 5, Episode 8 Video: Elle Matalavage PSIA Alpine Team Member

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 16, 2025 118:28


    Dave and Angelo sit down for an engaging conversation about Elle's journey from Tussey Mountain in Pennsylvania to becoming a PSIA Alpine Team Member. Elle began skiing at Tussey Mountain and has had a passion for the sport since her first days on snow. Tune in to this episode to learn how hard work, passion, and seizing opportunities have helped Elle grow into a world-class ski instructor. With her incredible spirit, you'll be inspired to hit the slopes with Elle "From Tussey" Matalavage after listening to this episode!

    Season 5, Episode 8 Audio: Elle Matalavage PSIA Alpine Team Member

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 16, 2025 118:28


    Dave and Angelo sit down for an engaging conversation about Elle's journey from Tussey Mountain in Pennsylvania to becoming a PSIA Alpine Team Member. Elle began skiing at Tussey Mountain and has had a passion for the sport since her first days on snow. Tune in to this episode to learn how hard work, passion, and seizing opportunities have helped Elle grow into a world-class ski instructor. With her incredible spirit, you'll be inspired to hit the slopes with Elle "From Tussey" Matalavage after listening to this episode!

    Season 5, Episode 7 Video: Dave and Angelo Talk Assessment Prep

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2025 73:48


    The Chaos and Co. duo chat about Assessment prep and how Angelo is finishing his prep for his Level 3 Telemark Assessment this March. Discussion on Movement Assessment and how to adjust your teaching based on the performance of your students.

    Season 5, Episode 7 Audio: Dave and Angelo Talk Assessment Prep

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2025 73:48


    The Chaos and Co. duo Dave and Angelo chat about Assessment prep and how Angelo is finishing his prep for his Level 3 Telemark Assessment this March. Discussion on Movement Assessment and how to adjust your teaching based on the performance of your students.

    Season 5, Episode 6 Video: The All New Tecnica Mach 1 LV Boot

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2025 56:01


    Dave and Angelo chat with Blizzard/Tecnica Product Manager Christian, Avery and Blizzard/Tecnica Global Woman 2 Woman program leader Leslie Baker-Brown, and Expert Bootfitter Nick Blaylock about the brand new Tecnica Mach 1 LV boot! Great conversation on the new technology in the boot and how it will evolve your performance and comfort on snow. Also some chat on the new Blizzard Anamoly and Black Pearl.

    Season 5, Episode 6 Audio: The All New Tecnica Mach 1 LV Boot

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2025 56:01


    Dave and Angelo chat with Blizzard/Tecnica Product Manager Christian, Avery and Blizzard/Tecnica Global Woman 2 Woman program leader Leslie Baker-Brown, and Expert Bootfitter Nick Blaylock about the all new Tecnica Mach 1 LV boot! Great conversation on the new technology in the boot and how it will evolve your performance and comfort on snow. Also some chat on the new Blizzard Anamoly and Black Pearl.

    Season 5, Episode 5 Audio: The Revolutionary Carv 2 Sensors, Powered by Motion AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 23, 2024 54:49


    Carv-Digital Ski Coach chat with Dave and guest co-host Alpine Team Member Kevin Jordan to talk about the new Carv 2 sensors. John Moore, Head of Product for Carv and Charlie Lindsay the Partnerships Executive with Carv discuss the technology in the their new Carv 2 motion sensors and how they can help skiers improve their skiing with the data and coaching from the Carv app.

    Season 5, Episode 5 Video: The Revolutionary Carv 2 Sensors, Powered by Motion AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 23, 2024 54:49


    Carv-Digital Ski Coach chat with Dave and guest co-host Alpine Team Member Kevin Jordan to talk about the new Carv 2 sensors. John Moore, Head of Product for Carv and Charlie Lindsay the Partnerships Executive with Carv discuss the technology in the their new Carv 2 motion sensors and how they can help skiers improve their skiing with the data and coaching from the Carv app.

    Season 5, Episode 4, Video: Peter Novom, PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2024 73:57


    The Chaos and Co. duo chat with Peter Novom PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member about his journey to the Team and the experience ahead. The conversation includes living the endless winter, the hard work and ups and downs on the journey, and how skiing helped him find his soulmate.

    Season 5, Episode 4, Audio: Peter Novom, PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2024 73:57


    The Chaos and Co. duo chat with Peter Novom PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member about his journey to the Team and the experience ahead. The conversation includes living the endless winter, the hard work and ups and downs on the journey, and how skiing helped him find his soulmate.

    Season 5, Episode 3 Video: Dana Forbes, CEO of PSIA-AASI Rocky Mountain Region

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 26, 2024 55:19


    PSIA-AASI Rocky Mountain Region CEO Dana Forbes chats with the Chaos and Co. duo about her skiing journey from childhood to CEO. Dana discusses PSIA-AASI's strategic alignment plan and the benefits to our members. Dana also gives us some incredible insight on her management style and what her hiring philosophy is. Some great stories and amazing advice from a very talented ski teacher and CEO. A must listen for sure.

    Season 5, Episode 3 Audio: Dana Forbes, CEO of PSIA-AASI Rocky Mountain Region

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 26, 2024 55:19


    PSIA-AASI Rocky Mountain Region CEO Dana Forbes chats with the Chaos and Co. duo about her skiing journey from childhood to CEO. Dana discusses PSIA-AASI's strategic alignment plan and the benefits to our members. Dana also gives us some incredible insight on her management style and what her hiring philosophy is. Some great stories and amazing advice from a very talented ski teacher and CEO. A must listen for sure.

    Season 5, Episode 2 Audio: Jim Shaw, PSIA-AASI Telemark National Team

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 11, 2024 70:40


    Jim Shaw joins Dave and Angelo to talk telemark skiing and Jim's journey from learning to ski to a National Telemark Team Member. Jim discusses his views not only on telemark skiing and its signature lead change, but he also talks teaching and how he connects with students.

    Season 5, Episode 2 Video: Jim Shaw, PSIA-AASI Telemark Team Alumni

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 11, 2024 70:40


    Jim Shaw, joins Dave and Angelo to talk telemark skiing and Jim's journey from learning to ski to a National Telemark Team Member. Jim discusses his views not only on telemark skiing and its signature lead change, but he also talks teaching and how he connects with students.

    Season 5, Episode 1: Ron Kipp: World Class Race Coach, PSIA Examiner, and Motor Control Expert

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 11, 2024 77:04


    Dave and Angelo sit down to chat with one of the greatest ski coaching minds on the planet.  Ron is a PSIA Alpine Examiner, World Class Race Coach, and an expert in Motor Control.  Whether it's working with race athletes or a beginner making wedge turns, Ron is one of the best at knowing the when, what, why, and how of coaching and instruction in Alpine skiing.  

    Season 5, Episode 1: Ron Kipp: World Class Race Coach, PSIA Examiner, and Motor Control Expert

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 11, 2024 77:04


    Dave and Angelo sit down to chat with one of the greatest ski coaching minds on the planet. Ron is a PSIA Alpine Examiner, World Class Race Coach, and an expert in Motor Control. Whether it's working with race athletes or a beginner making wedge turns, Ron is one of the best at knowing the when, what, why, and how of coaching and instruction in Alpine skiing.

    Season 4, Episode 16 Audio: Move the Needle: Katie White and Kevin Jordan, PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Members

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2024 80:33


    PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Members Katie White and Kevin Jordan are in Portillo, Chile skiing with Carv, testing out some new technology. Katie and Kevin talk about the benefits of Carve and how they use it for their skiing and for their students. Katie and Kevin also let us know their thoughts on being part of the new team and the push towards Interski 2027 in Vail, Colorado.

    Season 4, Episode 16 Video: Move the Needle, Katie White and Kevin Jordan PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Members

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2024 80:28


    PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Members Katie White and Kevin Jordan are in Portillo, Chile skiing with Carv, testing out some new technology. Katie and Kevin talk about the benefits of Carve and how they use it for their skiing and for their students. Katie and Kevin also let us know their thoughts on being part of the new team and the push towards Interski 2027 in Vail, Colorado.

    Season 4, Episode 15 video: Michael Rogan and Troy Walsh from Portillo, Chile

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2024 78:29


    Chaos and Co. have a great conversation with PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member Troy Walsh and PSIA-AASI Alpine Technical Coach Michael Rogan who are in Portillo, Chile skiing in July.  The fellas chat about skiing in Portillo and how they are playing with their own skiing.  Great thoughts on how to self coach and how to build your personal performance to ski at a very high level.  

    Season 4, Episode 15 audio: Michael Rogan and Troy Walsh From Portillo, Chile

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2024 78:29


    Chaos and Co. have a great conversation with PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member Troy Walsh and PSIA-AASI Alpine Technical Coach Michael Rogan who are in Portillo Chile skiing in July. The fellas chat about skiing in Portillo and how they are playing with their own skiing. Great thoughts on how to self coach and how to build your personal performance to ski at a very high level.

    Season 4, Episode 14: Angelo's First Season as the PSIA-AASI Ed. Dev. Manager

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 12, 2024 53:09


    Dave and Angelo chat about Angelo's first season as the PSIA-AASI Education Development Manager. Conversations about his experience during the season traveling and working with leadership and Ed. Staff from other PSIA-AASI Regions and also working National Academy and the National Team Tryout at Big Sky in April.

    Season 4, Episode 13 Audio: Don Haringa Recipient of PSIA-AASI National Lifetime Membership

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 13, 2024 73:34


    Dave and Angelo chat with Don Haringa about his retirement as the Director of Education and Programs for PSIA-AASI East and his long career in the ski industry. He was recently selected by the PSIA-AASI National Board of Directors for National Lifetime Membership. Members selected for this honor are known and respected throughout the industry for their long-term contributions to education, publication, leadership and volunteerism.

    Season 4, Episode 13 video: Don Haringa Recipient of PSIA-AASI National Lifetime Membership

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 13, 2024 73:34


    Dave and Angelo chat with Don Haringa about his retirement as the Director of Education and Programs for PSIA-AASI East and his long career in the ski industry. He was recently selected by the PSIA-AASI National Board of Directors for National Lifetime Membership. Members selected for this honor are known and respected throughout the industry for their long-term contributions to education, publication, leadership and volunteerism.

    Season 4, Episode 12 Audio: George Thomas, Host of PSIA-AASI First Chair Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 24, 2024 59:44


    George Thomas, the host of the PSIA-AASI First Chair Podcast joins Angelo and David to talk about ultra-distance road cycling, including the RAAM (Race Across America), one of the longest annual endurance events in the world. George discusses his journey overcoming epilepsy. It's a great story that you won't want to miss. He absolutely has the will and a personal drive that will not let himself quit at anything.

    george thomas psia first chair raam race across america
    Season 4. Episode 12 Video: George Thomas, Host of PSIA-AASI First Chair Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 24, 2024 59:40


    George Thomas, the host of the PSIA-AASI First Chair Podcast joins Angelo and David to talk about ultra-distance road cycling, including the RAAM (Race Across America), one of the longest annual endurance events in the world. George discusses his journey overcoming epilepsy. It's a great story that you won't want to miss. He absolutely has the will and a personal drive that will not let himself quit at anything.

    george thomas psia first chair raam race across america
    Season 3, Episode 11 Audio: Perry Schmunk and Jeff Marks, Professional Ski Instructors of Canada

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2024 31:29


    Perry and Jeff sit for a chat explaining the philosophy and focus of the new PSIC (Professional Ski Instructors of Canada) organization. They go through how the PSIC will deliver their training of instruction through their emphasis on Adventure and enjoying the whole mountain experience. Interesting discussion on how they keep the students in the leaning zone all the way through their programs.

    Season 3, Episode 11, Video: Perry Schmunk and Jeff Marks, Professional Ski Instructors of Canada

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2024 95:33


    Perry and Jeff sit for a chat explaining the philosophy and focus of the new PSIC (Professional Ski Instructors of Canada) organization. They go through how the PSIC will deliver their training of instruction through their emphasis on Adventure and enjoying the whole mountain experience. Interesting discussion on how they keep the students in the leaning zone all the way through their programs.

    Season 4, Episode 10 Video: Christian Avery, Blizzard Tecnica Product Manager/North America

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2024 77:43


    The Chaos and Co. duo have a great chat with Blizzard Tecnica Christian Avery, Product Manager/North America, about Blizzards newly announced Anomaly line of skis. Christian also takes us through the make up of the brand new Black Pearl and all the other products in the Blizzard/Tecnica arsenal.

    Season 4, Episode 10 Audio: Christian Avery, Blizzard Tecnica Product Manager/North American

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2024 77:43


    The Chaos and Co. duo have a great chat with Christian Avery, Blizzard Tecnica Product Manager/North America, about Blizzards newly announced Anomaly line of skis. Christian also takes us through the make up of the brand new Black Pearl and all the other new products and enhancements in the Blizzard Tecnica arsenal.

    Season 4, Episode 9 Audio: Telemark Time, Mickey Stone, Jim Shaw, and Keith Rodney

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2024 40:44


    The Fall Line: With Chaos and Co. took the podcast gear on the road to PSIA-AASI Eastern Telemark Ed. Staff Training at Killington and had a chat with Mickey Stone, Keith Rodney, and Jim Shaw. What a trio, two current National Team Members and one Alumni of the National Team. These are three of the best Telemark Educators on the Planet! So awesome to get to ski with them and I know you will enjoy hearing their perspectives.

    Season 4, Episode 9 Video: Telemark Time, Mickey Stone, Jim Shaw, and Keith Rodney

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2024 40:44


    The Fall Line: With Chaos and Co. took the podcast gear on the road to PSIA-AASI Eastern Telemark Ed. Staff Training at Killington and had a chat with Mickey Stone, Keith Rodney, and Jim Shaw. What a trio, two current National Team Members and one Alumni of the National Team. These are three of the best Telemark Educators on the Planet! So awesome to get to ski with them and I know you will enjoy hearing their perspectives.

    Season 4, Episode 8 Video: Chaos and Co. Chat About Training and Assessment Prep

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2024 79:26


    Dave and Angelo the Chaos and Co. duo sit down and chat about how to guide people to train and grow as ski teachers. They talk about some of the important things to work on, read, and study to achieve greater success at Assessments/Exams and most importantly greater success helping their students reach their personal goals!

    Season 4, Episode 8 Audio: Chaos and Co. Chat About Training and Assessment Prep

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2024 79:26


    Dave and Angelo the Chaos and Co. duo sit down and chat about how to guide people to train and grow as ski teachers. They talk about what they feel are some of the important things to work on, read, and study to achieve greater success at Assessments/Exams and most importantly greater success helping their students reach their personal goals!

    Season 4, Episode 7: Michael Rogan, PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Coach

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 29, 2023 74:23


    There is never a dull moment when Chaos and Co. sit down and talk with Coach Michael Rogan.  Michael talks about the 2024 National Team Tryout in the spring at Big Sky Montana and the preparation that candidates should be doing.  Great conversation on how to train and grow as a ski teacher to have greater success at assessments and tryouts.  Coach helps us understand how to be a more effective and fun coach.  

    Season 4, Episode 7: Michael Rogan, PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Coach

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 29, 2023 74:23


    There is never a dull moment when Chaos and Co talk with Coach Michael Rogan.  Michael talks about the 2024 National Team Tryout in the spring at Big Sky Montana and the preparation that candidates should be doing.  Great conversation on how to train and grow as a ski teacher to have greater success at assessments and tryouts.  Coach helps us understand how to be a more effective and fun coach.  

    Season 4, Episode 6, Video: Troy Walsh, Recent Travels and Team Training, Part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 25, 2023 68:41


    We sit down to chat with PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member Troy Walsh about Team Training, preparing for tryouts and assessments, and the upcoming educational staff training and events. The Fellas talk tech about the Learning Connection Model and how to start preparing for tryouts and assessments.

    Season 4, Episode 6, Audio: Troy Walsh, Recent Travels and Team Training, Part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 25, 2023 68:41


    We sit down to chat with PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member Troy Walsh about Team Training, preparing for tryouts and assessments, and all the upcoming educational staff training and events. The Fellas talk some tech with the Learning Connection Model and how to start preparing for tryouts and assessments.

    Season 4, Episode 5, Audio: Troy Walsh, Recent Travels and Team Trainings, Part 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 25, 2023 68:41


    We sit down to chat with PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member Troy Walsh about Team training, preparing for tryouts and assessments, and the upcoming educational staff training and events. The Fellas talk tech about the Learning Connection Model and how to start preparing for tryouts and assessments.

    Season 4, Episode 5, Video: Troy Walsh, Recent Travels and Team Trainings, Part 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 25, 2023 76:04


    We sit down to chat with PSIA-AASI Alpine Team Member Troy Walsh about Team training, preparing for tryouts and assessments, and the upcoming educational staff training and events. The Fellas have a tech talk about the Learning Connection Model and how to start preparing for tryouts and assessments.

    Season 4, Episode 4 Audio: Peter Kray, Author of "The God of Skiing" and PSIA-AASI Lead Writer

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2023 75:09


    Author, journalist, and lead writer for PSIA-AASI Peter Kray chats with us about skiing and his tremendous career and impact on the ski industry.  Peter has been involved with ski, snowboard, and all kinds of snow-sports gear reviews for many years.  He was named one of the 250 most influential people in the snowbiz by the Ski Channel.  Peter writes about our ski and ride world with amazing ease and passion, he also can tell a story with the same ease and passion.  Peter is a true great at telling a story.

    Season 4, Episode 4 Video: Peter Kray, Author of the "God of Skiing" and PSIA-AASI Lead Writer

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2023 74:40


    Author, journalist, and lead writer for PSIA-AASI, Peter Kray chats with us about skiing and his tremendous career and impact on the ski industry. Peter has been involved with ski, snowboard, and all kinds of snow-sports gear reviews for many years. He was named one of the 250 most influential people in the snowbiz by the Ski Channel. Peter writes about our ski and ride world with amazing ease and passion, he also can tell a story with the same ease and passion. Peter is a true great at telling a story.

    Season 4, Episode 3, Audio: Keri Reid, PSIA-AASI Eastern Director of Ed. and Programs

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2023 61:19


    Keri Reid the new PSIA-AASI Eastern Director of Education and Programs talks with us about her journey through the ski industry.  Great discussions on her thoughts on the job and how she plans on leading the Eastern Region Educational Staff into the future.  Of course we discuss the early beginnings of her skiing and teaching in Canada and her journey to New Zealand, Japan, and the to the USA.  Keri will inspire and motivate you as a PSIA-AASI Member and snowsports instructor with her skiing, teaching, and most of all her great leadership skills.

    Season 4, Episode 3, Video: Keri Reid, PSIA-AASI Eastern Region Dir. of Ed. and Programs

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2023 61:17


    Keri Reid, the new PSIA-AASI Eastern Region Director of Education and Programs talks with us about her journey through the ski industry. Great discussions on her thoughts on the job and how she plans on leading the Eastern Region Educational Staff into the future. Of course we discuss the early beginnings of her skiing and teaching in Canada and her journey to New Zealand, Japan, and the to the USA. Keri will inspire and motivate you as a PSIA-AASI Member and snowsports instructor with her skiing, teaching, and most of all her great leadership skills.

    Season 4, Episode 2 Audio: Dave Schuiling, Director of Education at PSIA-AASI

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 15, 2023 77:56


    PSIA-AASI Director of Education Dave Schuiling joins us for some conversation on what has been going on to prepare for the 23/24 season. Dave also explains the strategic alignment initiative and where we are in that process. He also gives some inspiring and insightful refections on the experience of Interski 2023 in Levi, Finland and the impact our team had on the world stage.

    Season 4, Episode 2 Video: Dave Schuiling, Director of Education at PSIA-AASI

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 15, 2023 77:49


    PSIA-AASI Director of Education Dave Schuiling joins us for some conversation on what has been going on to prepare for the 23/24 season. Dave also explains the strategic alignment initiative and where we are in that process. He also gives some inspiring and insightful refections on the experience of Interski 2023 in Levi, Finland and the impact our team had on the world stage.

    Season 4, Episode 1 Audio: Mike Porter, 2023 US Ski and Snowboard Hall of Fame Inductee

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2023 71:14


    Mike Porter joins Dave and Angelo to discuss the honor of being inducted into the US Ski and Snowboard Hall of Fame and a lot more. Great fun talking with Mike about Interski 2023 and past Interski's he has attended. Some great "Tech" discussion and also great insights on how to continue to grow and learn as an educator.

    Season 4, Episode 1 Video: Mike Porter, 2023 US Ski and Snowboard Hall of Fame Inductee

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2023 71:15


    Mike Porter joins Dave and Angelo to discuss the honor of being inducted into the US Ski and Snowboard Hall of Fame and a lot more. Great fun talking with Mike about Interski 2023 and past Interski's he has attended. Some great "Tech" discussion and also great insights on how to continue to grow and learn as an educator.

    Season 3, Episode 14: Kathy Brennan, PSIA-AASI Eastern Region CEO Audio

    Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2023 83:15


    Kathy Brennan chats with Chaos and Co. after her second ski/ride season as the PSIA-AASI Eastern Region CEO. Kathy talks about the successes and some things she is still working on. She also talks to us about her listening tour around the east and her incredible trip to Levi, Finland to attend Interski 2023.

    Season 3, Episode 14: Kathy Brennan PSIA-AASI Eastern Region CEO Video

    Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2023 83:15


    Kathy Brennan chats with Chaos and Co after her second ski/ride season as the PSIA-AASI Eastern Region CEO. Kathy talks about the successes and some things she is still working on. She also talks to us about her listening tour around the east and her incredible trip to Levi, Finland to attend Interski 2023.

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