Podcasts about fbi special agent robin dreeke

Jesse Butler was eighteen years old when he pleaded no contest to eleven felony charges in Stillwater, Oklahoma. The charges included attempted rape, rape by instrumentation, and domestic assault by strangulation against two teenage girls. One victim was choked until she lost consciousness and required emergency surgery on her neck. Her doctor told her she came within thirty seconds of dying. Police recovered video from Butler's phone showing him strangling the other victim. Prosecutors could have pursued a sentence of up to seventy-eight years in prison. Instead, a judge granted Butler youthful offender status. His punishment? Community service, counseling sessions, and supervision until his nineteenth birthday. No prison time. No sex offender registration. If he complies with the terms, his record gets erased completely. The victims' families say they were never consulted about the plea deal. Both girls were prepared to testify. That opportunity was taken from them without explanation. Butler's father previously served as Director of Football Operations at Oklahoma State University. The judge who approved the youthful offender designation holds two degrees from OSU. No direct impropriety has been established, but protesters and families are demanding accountability and transparency. In this episode, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins us to break down the systemic failures that allowed this outcome. We examine the DA's decision to cut a deal without victim notification, the optics of institutional connections, and the message this sends to survivors everywhere who are weighing whether to come forward. State Representative J.J. Humphrey has called for a grand jury investigation. Protesters have gathered outside the courthouse at every hearing. The families have one message they want America to hear: love should not hurt, and justice should not be optional. #JesseButler #Stillwater #Oklahoma #TrueCrime #JusticeForSurvivors #YouthfulOffender #NoJailTime #DomesticViolence #TeenDatingViolence #LoveShouldntHurt #JusticeSystemFailure #RobinDreeke #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #VictimsRights #TrueCrimeAnalysis #OklahomaJustice #AccountabilityNow #SurvivorStories #CourtSystemFailed Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video?  Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Jesse Butler was eighteen years old when he pleaded no contest to eleven felony charges in Stillwater, Oklahoma. The charges included attempted rape, rape by instrumentation, and domestic assault by strangulation against two teenage girls. One victim was choked until she lost consciousness and required emergency surgery on her neck. Her doctor told her she came within thirty seconds of dying. Police recovered video from Butler's phone showing him strangling the other victim. Prosecutors could have pursued a sentence of up to seventy-eight years in prison. Instead, a judge granted Butler youthful offender status. His punishment? Community service, counseling sessions, and supervision until his nineteenth birthday. No prison time. No sex offender registration. If he complies with the terms, his record gets erased completely. The victims' families say they were never consulted about the plea deal. Both girls were prepared to testify. That opportunity was taken from them without explanation. Butler's father previously served as Director of Football Operations at Oklahoma State University. The judge who approved the youthful offender designation holds two degrees from OSU. No direct impropriety has been established, but protesters and families are demanding accountability and transparency. In this episode, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins us to break down the systemic failures that allowed this outcome. We examine the DA's decision to cut a deal without victim notification, the optics of institutional connections, and the message this sends to survivors everywhere who are weighing whether to come forward. State Representative J.J. Humphrey has called for a grand jury investigation. Protesters have gathered outside the courthouse at every hearing. The families have one message they want America to hear: love should not hurt, and justice should not be optional. #JesseButler #Stillwater #Oklahoma #TrueCrime #JusticeForSurvivors #YouthfulOffender #NoJailTime #DomesticViolence #TeenDatingViolence #LoveShouldntHurt #JusticeSystemFailure #RobinDreeke #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #VictimsRights #TrueCrimeAnalysis #OklahomaJustice #AccountabilityNow #SurvivorStories #CourtSystemFailed Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video?  Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Jesse Butler was eighteen years old when he pleaded no contest to eleven felony charges in Stillwater, Oklahoma. The charges included attempted rape, rape by instrumentation, and domestic assault by strangulation against two teenage girls. One victim was choked until she lost consciousness and required emergency surgery on her neck. Her doctor told her she came within thirty seconds of dying. Police recovered video from Butler's phone showing him strangling the other victim. Prosecutors could have pursued a sentence of up to seventy-eight years in prison. Instead, a judge granted Butler youthful offender status. His punishment? Community service, counseling sessions, and supervision until his nineteenth birthday. No prison time. No sex offender registration. If he complies with the terms, his record gets erased completely. The victims' families say they were never consulted about the plea deal. Both girls were prepared to testify. That opportunity was taken from them without explanation. Butler's father previously served as Director of Football Operations at Oklahoma State University. The judge who approved the youthful offender designation holds two degrees from OSU. No direct impropriety has been established, but protesters and families are demanding accountability and transparency. In this episode, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins us to break down the systemic failures that allowed this outcome. We examine the DA's decision to cut a deal without victim notification, the optics of institutional connections, and the message this sends to survivors everywhere who are weighing whether to come forward. State Representative J.J. Humphrey has called for a grand jury investigation. Protesters have gathered outside the courthouse at every hearing. The families have one message they want America to hear: love should not hurt, and justice should not be optional. #JesseButler #Stillwater #Oklahoma #TrueCrime #JusticeForSurvivors #YouthfulOffender #NoJailTime #DomesticViolence #TeenDatingViolence #LoveShouldntHurt #JusticeSystemFailure #RobinDreeke #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #VictimsRights #TrueCrimeAnalysis #OklahomaJustice #AccountabilityNow #SurvivorStories #CourtSystemFailed Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video?  Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Rob Reiner didn't ignore his son's struggles — he built a movie around them. He talked openly about the guilt, the missteps, the decades of trying. Michele carried the emotional weight of nearly 20 years of crisis. They were present, involved, and doing everything our system tells families to do. And still, they were left defenseless. In part two, former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke explains the darkest truth: families are often fully aware someone is dangerous — but the law ties their hands. Parents cannot force an adult child into long-term treatment. They cannot limit their movements. They cannot compel medication. Without a documented, immediate threat, the system defaults to the rights of the individual — not the safety of the family. We explore: – How chronic crisis distorts judgment but also eliminates legal options – Why guilt, hope, and fear coexist in families trapped by mental-health laws – How caregivers often become targets because they are the safest emotional outlet – Why brutality in familial murders reflects years of psychological deterioration – The painful reality that love does not override a broken system This isn't a story about blind parents. It's a story about a system built to wait until the worst happens — and only then allows intervention. #ReinerMurders #RobinDreeke #TonyBrueski #HiddenKillers #MentalHealthCrisis #FamilyViolence #SystemicFailure #TrueCrimePodcast #ParentalGuilt #LegalLimitations Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Rob Reiner didn't ignore his son's struggles — he built a movie around them. He talked openly about the guilt, the missteps, the decades of trying. Michele carried the emotional weight of nearly 20 years of crisis. They were present, involved, and doing everything our system tells families to do. And still, they were left defenseless. In part two, former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke explains the darkest truth: families are often fully aware someone is dangerous — but the law ties their hands. Parents cannot force an adult child into long-term treatment. They cannot limit their movements. They cannot compel medication. Without a documented, immediate threat, the system defaults to the rights of the individual — not the safety of the family. We explore: – How chronic crisis distorts judgment but also eliminates legal options – Why guilt, hope, and fear coexist in families trapped by mental-health laws – How caregivers often become targets because they are the safest emotional outlet – Why brutality in familial murders reflects years of psychological deterioration – The painful reality that love does not override a broken system This isn't a story about blind parents. It's a story about a system built to wait until the worst happens — and only then allows intervention. #ReinerMurders #RobinDreeke #TonyBrueski #HiddenKillers #MentalHealthCrisis #FamilyViolence #SystemicFailure #TrueCrimePodcast #ParentalGuilt #LegalLimitations Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Rob Reiner didn't ignore his son's struggles — he built a movie around them. He talked openly about the guilt, the missteps, the decades of trying. Michele carried the emotional weight of nearly 20 years of crisis. They were present, involved, and doing everything our system tells families to do. And still, they were left defenseless. In part two, former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke explains the darkest truth: families are often fully aware someone is dangerous — but the law ties their hands. Parents cannot force an adult child into long-term treatment. They cannot limit their movements. They cannot compel medication. Without a documented, immediate threat, the system defaults to the rights of the individual — not the safety of the family. We explore: – How chronic crisis distorts judgment but also eliminates legal options – Why guilt, hope, and fear coexist in families trapped by mental-health laws – How caregivers often become targets because they are the safest emotional outlet – Why brutality in familial murders reflects years of psychological deterioration – The painful reality that love does not override a broken system This isn't a story about blind parents. It's a story about a system built to wait until the worst happens — and only then allows intervention. #ReinerMurders #RobinDreeke #TonyBrueski #HiddenKillers #MentalHealthCrisis #FamilyViolence #SystemicFailure #TrueCrimePodcast #ParentalGuilt #LegalLimitations Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

One month after 18-year-old Anna Kepner was found dead on the Carnival Horizon, the case has exploded into public view — not because the FBI has announced charges, but because her own family is now exposing details that paint an increasingly disturbing picture of what happened inside that cabin. In a December 5th custody hearing in Brevard County, Anna's older stepbrother testified under oath that their stepfather, Christopher Kepner, once put him in a chokehold during a custody dispute — the same type of bar hold that killed Anna. That testimony, delivered while the FBI is investigating a homicide involving the identical technique, immediately raised questions about where a 16-year-old could have learned a neck restraint that takes minutes to execute. This episode breaks down everything emerging from court: the skipped psychiatric medications in the days before Anna's death, the suspect's hospitalization after the ship docked, the parents moving him to an undisclosed location because they feared he was too dangerous to be around other children, and the family fracturing into public accusations. The grandmother says security footage shows only the stepbrother entering and exiting the cabin. Anna's father told People magazine he wants his stepson to “face the consequences.” Then retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins us to dissect the behavioral complexity surrounding concealment — Anna hidden under a bed, wrapped and placed out of sight. Robin explains why concealment by juveniles doesn't automatically equal malice; panic, dissociation, and shock can drive catastrophic decisions. We look at shifting statements, trauma responses, family chaos, and what investigators prioritize next: timelines, nonverbal cues, consistency, and the autopsy. No one has been charged. But the family has drawn its own conclusions — loudly and publicly. More testimony comes December 17th. We'll stay on it. #AnnaKepner #CarnivalCruise #CruiseShipInvestigation #TrueCrimeNews #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #JuvenileCases #FamilyDynamics #CrimeInvestigation #HiddenKillers Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

One month after 18-year-old Anna Kepner was found dead on the Carnival Horizon, the case has exploded into public view — not because the FBI has announced charges, but because her own family is now exposing details that paint an increasingly disturbing picture of what happened inside that cabin. In a December 5th custody hearing in Brevard County, Anna's older stepbrother testified under oath that their stepfather, Christopher Kepner, once put him in a chokehold during a custody dispute — the same type of bar hold that killed Anna. That testimony, delivered while the FBI is investigating a homicide involving the identical technique, immediately raised questions about where a 16-year-old could have learned a neck restraint that takes minutes to execute. This episode breaks down everything emerging from court: the skipped psychiatric medications in the days before Anna's death, the suspect's hospitalization after the ship docked, the parents moving him to an undisclosed location because they feared he was too dangerous to be around other children, and the family fracturing into public accusations. The grandmother says security footage shows only the stepbrother entering and exiting the cabin. Anna's father told People magazine he wants his stepson to “face the consequences.” Then retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins us to dissect the behavioral complexity surrounding concealment — Anna hidden under a bed, wrapped and placed out of sight. Robin explains why concealment by juveniles doesn't automatically equal malice; panic, dissociation, and shock can drive catastrophic decisions. We look at shifting statements, trauma responses, family chaos, and what investigators prioritize next: timelines, nonverbal cues, consistency, and the autopsy. No one has been charged. But the family has drawn its own conclusions — loudly and publicly. More testimony comes December 17th. We'll stay on it. #AnnaKepner #CarnivalCruise #CruiseShipInvestigation #TrueCrimeNews #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #JuvenileCases #FamilyDynamics #CrimeInvestigation #HiddenKillers Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

One month after 18-year-old Anna Kepner was found dead on the Carnival Horizon, the case has exploded into public view — not because the FBI has announced charges, but because her own family is now exposing details that paint an increasingly disturbing picture of what happened inside that cabin. In a December 5th custody hearing in Brevard County, Anna's older stepbrother testified under oath that their stepfather, Christopher Kepner, once put him in a chokehold during a custody dispute — the same type of bar hold that killed Anna. That testimony, delivered while the FBI is investigating a homicide involving the identical technique, immediately raised questions about where a 16-year-old could have learned a neck restraint that takes minutes to execute. This episode breaks down everything emerging from court: the skipped psychiatric medications in the days before Anna's death, the suspect's hospitalization after the ship docked, the parents moving him to an undisclosed location because they feared he was too dangerous to be around other children, and the family fracturing into public accusations. The grandmother says security footage shows only the stepbrother entering and exiting the cabin. Anna's father told People magazine he wants his stepson to “face the consequences.” Then retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins us to dissect the behavioral complexity surrounding concealment — Anna hidden under a bed, wrapped and placed out of sight. Robin explains why concealment by juveniles doesn't automatically equal malice; panic, dissociation, and shock can drive catastrophic decisions. We look at shifting statements, trauma responses, family chaos, and what investigators prioritize next: timelines, nonverbal cues, consistency, and the autopsy. No one has been charged. But the family has drawn its own conclusions — loudly and publicly. More testimony comes December 17th. We'll stay on it. #AnnaKepner #CarnivalCruise #CruiseShipInvestigation #TrueCrimeNews #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #JuvenileCases #FamilyDynamics #CrimeInvestigation #HiddenKillers Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

This full-length interview with retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke brings together two deeply disturbing stories — the Jesse Butler case in Oklahoma and the tragic death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Both cases expose something bigger than individual acts of violence. They reveal systems, institutions, and family dynamics that shape who gets protected — and who gets overlooked. Part One: The Predator's Playbook We examine how Jesse Butler allegedly built trust, manipulated perception, and inflicted escalating violence behind a mask of charm. Love-bombing, grooming, strangulation, digital trophies, calibrated threats — this is the behavioral blueprint of a predator operating in plain sight. Part Two: The System That Failed Despite overwhelming evidence and two victims ready to testify, Butler walked away with community service, counseling, and the promise of a clean record. We dig into the deal-making, the optics, the backlash, and the profound message this outcome sends to victims everywhere. Part Three: The Death of Anna Kepner Conflicting family stories, minimized aggression, outside witnesses telling a different truth, and behavioral indicators investigators look for when tragedy fractures the narrative. Robin explains how trained professionals cut through damage control to find reality. This episode isn't just about two cases — it's about the patterns, systems, and human behaviors that allow violence to go unchecked until it explodes into public view. #JesseButler #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #RobinDreeke #VictimAdvocacy #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeMatters #CrimeAndAccountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe is on trial for murdering and dismembering his wife, Ana — a woman whose body has never been found. He has already pleaded guilty to disposing of her remains and lying to investigators, but maintains he didn't kill her. His explanation: he woke up, found Ana dead from an unexplained medical event, panicked, and tried to “protect his children.” The prosecution says the evidence tells a very different story. In this full interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke — former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program — breaks down every behavioral marker in this case: Walshe's police interviews, his shifting explanations, the marriage dynamics, the hidden affair, and the sequence of Google searches that began at 4:55 a.m. with “how long before a body starts to smell.” We also examine the explosive testimony from Day 6 of the trial. Jurors watched surveillance video of a masked man in blue latex gloves pushing a cart through Lowe's on New Year's Day, buying a hacksaw, hatchet, mops, buckets, and a Tyvek suit — all paid for in cash. Hours later, prosecutors say Walshe dumped a trash bag behind a closed liquor store. Inside that bag: blood-soaked carpet, human hair, and a piece of Gucci jewelry Ana owned. Crime lab experts testified that nearly every tool recovered from dumpsters tested positive for blood — including the hacksaw, hatchet, hammer, and tin snips. The basement showed blood stains near black trash bags. The bedroom — where the defense claims Ana died suddenly — was forensically clean. No blood. No disturbance. No biological trace. The medical examiner testified that sudden natural death in a healthy 39-year-old woman is “pretty rare.” After this breakdown, you'll understand the evidence the jury is weighing — and what it actually means. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrimeNews #ForensicEvidence #RobinDreeke #FBIAnalysis #MurderTrial #TrueCrimePodcast #JusticeForAna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

This full-length interview with retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke brings together two deeply disturbing stories — the Jesse Butler case in Oklahoma and the tragic death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Both cases expose something bigger than individual acts of violence. They reveal systems, institutions, and family dynamics that shape who gets protected — and who gets overlooked. Part One: The Predator's Playbook We examine how Jesse Butler allegedly built trust, manipulated perception, and inflicted escalating violence behind a mask of charm. Love-bombing, grooming, strangulation, digital trophies, calibrated threats — this is the behavioral blueprint of a predator operating in plain sight. Part Two: The System That Failed Despite overwhelming evidence and two victims ready to testify, Butler walked away with community service, counseling, and the promise of a clean record. We dig into the deal-making, the optics, the backlash, and the profound message this outcome sends to victims everywhere. Part Three: The Death of Anna Kepner Conflicting family stories, minimized aggression, outside witnesses telling a different truth, and behavioral indicators investigators look for when tragedy fractures the narrative. Robin explains how trained professionals cut through damage control to find reality. This episode isn't just about two cases — it's about the patterns, systems, and human behaviors that allow violence to go unchecked until it explodes into public view. #JesseButler #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #RobinDreeke #VictimAdvocacy #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeMatters #CrimeAndAccountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe is on trial for murdering and dismembering his wife, Ana — a woman whose body has never been found. He has already pleaded guilty to disposing of her remains and lying to investigators, but maintains he didn't kill her. His explanation: he woke up, found Ana dead from an unexplained medical event, panicked, and tried to “protect his children.” The prosecution says the evidence tells a very different story. In this full interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke — former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program — breaks down every behavioral marker in this case: Walshe's police interviews, his shifting explanations, the marriage dynamics, the hidden affair, and the sequence of Google searches that began at 4:55 a.m. with “how long before a body starts to smell.” We also examine the explosive testimony from Day 6 of the trial. Jurors watched surveillance video of a masked man in blue latex gloves pushing a cart through Lowe's on New Year's Day, buying a hacksaw, hatchet, mops, buckets, and a Tyvek suit — all paid for in cash. Hours later, prosecutors say Walshe dumped a trash bag behind a closed liquor store. Inside that bag: blood-soaked carpet, human hair, and a piece of Gucci jewelry Ana owned. Crime lab experts testified that nearly every tool recovered from dumpsters tested positive for blood — including the hacksaw, hatchet, hammer, and tin snips. The basement showed blood stains near black trash bags. The bedroom — where the defense claims Ana died suddenly — was forensically clean. No blood. No disturbance. No biological trace. The medical examiner testified that sudden natural death in a healthy 39-year-old woman is “pretty rare.” After this breakdown, you'll understand the evidence the jury is weighing — and what it actually means. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrimeNews #ForensicEvidence #RobinDreeke #FBIAnalysis #MurderTrial #TrueCrimePodcast #JusticeForAna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

This full-length interview with retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke brings together two deeply disturbing stories — the Jesse Butler case in Oklahoma and the tragic death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Both cases expose something bigger than individual acts of violence. They reveal systems, institutions, and family dynamics that shape who gets protected — and who gets overlooked. Part One: The Predator's Playbook We examine how Jesse Butler allegedly built trust, manipulated perception, and inflicted escalating violence behind a mask of charm. Love-bombing, grooming, strangulation, digital trophies, calibrated threats — this is the behavioral blueprint of a predator operating in plain sight. Part Two: The System That Failed Despite overwhelming evidence and two victims ready to testify, Butler walked away with community service, counseling, and the promise of a clean record. We dig into the deal-making, the optics, the backlash, and the profound message this outcome sends to victims everywhere. Part Three: The Death of Anna Kepner Conflicting family stories, minimized aggression, outside witnesses telling a different truth, and behavioral indicators investigators look for when tragedy fractures the narrative. Robin explains how trained professionals cut through damage control to find reality. This episode isn't just about two cases — it's about the patterns, systems, and human behaviors that allow violence to go unchecked until it explodes into public view. #JesseButler #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #RobinDreeke #VictimAdvocacy #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeMatters #CrimeAndAccountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

This full-length interview with retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke brings together two deeply disturbing stories — the Jesse Butler case in Oklahoma and the tragic death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Both cases expose something bigger than individual acts of violence. They reveal systems, institutions, and family dynamics that shape who gets protected — and who gets overlooked. Part One: The Predator's Playbook We examine how Jesse Butler allegedly built trust, manipulated perception, and inflicted escalating violence behind a mask of charm. Love-bombing, grooming, strangulation, digital trophies, calibrated threats — this is the behavioral blueprint of a predator operating in plain sight. Part Two: The System That Failed Despite overwhelming evidence and two victims ready to testify, Butler walked away with community service, counseling, and the promise of a clean record. We dig into the deal-making, the optics, the backlash, and the profound message this outcome sends to victims everywhere. Part Three: The Death of Anna Kepner Conflicting family stories, minimized aggression, outside witnesses telling a different truth, and behavioral indicators investigators look for when tragedy fractures the narrative. Robin explains how trained professionals cut through damage control to find reality. This episode isn't just about two cases — it's about the patterns, systems, and human behaviors that allow violence to go unchecked until it explodes into public view. #JesseButler #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #RobinDreeke #VictimAdvocacy #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeMatters #CrimeAndAccountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

This full-length interview with retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke brings together two deeply disturbing stories — the Jesse Butler case in Oklahoma and the tragic death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Both cases expose something bigger than individual acts of violence. They reveal systems, institutions, and family dynamics that shape who gets protected — and who gets overlooked. Part One: The Predator's Playbook We examine how Jesse Butler allegedly built trust, manipulated perception, and inflicted escalating violence behind a mask of charm. Love-bombing, grooming, strangulation, digital trophies, calibrated threats — this is the behavioral blueprint of a predator operating in plain sight. Part Two: The System That Failed Despite overwhelming evidence and two victims ready to testify, Butler walked away with community service, counseling, and the promise of a clean record. We dig into the deal-making, the optics, the backlash, and the profound message this outcome sends to victims everywhere. Part Three: The Death of Anna Kepner Conflicting family stories, minimized aggression, outside witnesses telling a different truth, and behavioral indicators investigators look for when tragedy fractures the narrative. Robin explains how trained professionals cut through damage control to find reality. This episode isn't just about two cases — it's about the patterns, systems, and human behaviors that allow violence to go unchecked until it explodes into public view. #JesseButler #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #RobinDreeke #VictimAdvocacy #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeMatters #CrimeAndAccountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

This full-length interview with retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke brings together two deeply disturbing stories — the Jesse Butler case in Oklahoma and the tragic death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Both cases expose something bigger than individual acts of violence. They reveal systems, institutions, and family dynamics that shape who gets protected — and who gets overlooked. Part One: The Predator's Playbook We examine how Jesse Butler allegedly built trust, manipulated perception, and inflicted escalating violence behind a mask of charm. Love-bombing, grooming, strangulation, digital trophies, calibrated threats — this is the behavioral blueprint of a predator operating in plain sight. Part Two: The System That Failed Despite overwhelming evidence and two victims ready to testify, Butler walked away with community service, counseling, and the promise of a clean record. We dig into the deal-making, the optics, the backlash, and the profound message this outcome sends to victims everywhere. Part Three: The Death of Anna Kepner Conflicting family stories, minimized aggression, outside witnesses telling a different truth, and behavioral indicators investigators look for when tragedy fractures the narrative. Robin explains how trained professionals cut through damage control to find reality. This episode isn't just about two cases — it's about the patterns, systems, and human behaviors that allow violence to go unchecked until it explodes into public view. #JesseButler #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #RobinDreeke #VictimAdvocacy #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeMatters #CrimeAndAccountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

This full-length interview with retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke brings together two deeply disturbing stories — the Jesse Butler case in Oklahoma and the tragic death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Both cases expose something bigger than individual acts of violence. They reveal systems, institutions, and family dynamics that shape who gets protected — and who gets overlooked. Part One: The Predator's Playbook We examine how Jesse Butler allegedly built trust, manipulated perception, and inflicted escalating violence behind a mask of charm. Love-bombing, grooming, strangulation, digital trophies, calibrated threats — this is the behavioral blueprint of a predator operating in plain sight. Part Two: The System That Failed Despite overwhelming evidence and two victims ready to testify, Butler walked away with community service, counseling, and the promise of a clean record. We dig into the deal-making, the optics, the backlash, and the profound message this outcome sends to victims everywhere. Part Three: The Death of Anna Kepner Conflicting family stories, minimized aggression, outside witnesses telling a different truth, and behavioral indicators investigators look for when tragedy fractures the narrative. Robin explains how trained professionals cut through damage control to find reality. This episode isn't just about two cases — it's about the patterns, systems, and human behaviors that allow violence to go unchecked until it explodes into public view. #JesseButler #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #RobinDreeke #VictimAdvocacy #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeMatters #CrimeAndAccountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

This full-length interview with retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke brings together two deeply disturbing stories — the Jesse Butler case in Oklahoma and the tragic death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Both cases expose something bigger than individual acts of violence. They reveal systems, institutions, and family dynamics that shape who gets protected — and who gets overlooked. Part One: The Predator's Playbook We examine how Jesse Butler allegedly built trust, manipulated perception, and inflicted escalating violence behind a mask of charm. Love-bombing, grooming, strangulation, digital trophies, calibrated threats — this is the behavioral blueprint of a predator operating in plain sight. Part Two: The System That Failed Despite overwhelming evidence and two victims ready to testify, Butler walked away with community service, counseling, and the promise of a clean record. We dig into the deal-making, the optics, the backlash, and the profound message this outcome sends to victims everywhere. Part Three: The Death of Anna Kepner Conflicting family stories, minimized aggression, outside witnesses telling a different truth, and behavioral indicators investigators look for when tragedy fractures the narrative. Robin explains how trained professionals cut through damage control to find reality. This episode isn't just about two cases — it's about the patterns, systems, and human behaviors that allow violence to go unchecked until it explodes into public view. #JesseButler #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #RobinDreeke #VictimAdvocacy #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeMatters #CrimeAndAccountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two victims. Video evidence. Medical records. Eleven felonies. A potential 78-year sentence. And somehow, Jesse Butler walked away with community service, counseling sessions, and the promise of a wiped-clean record at nineteen. In this segment, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke returns to dissect the institutional meltdown surrounding this case. The DA cut a deal without notifying the victims. A judge with connections to Butler's father granted youthful offender status. A community service program rejected Butler outright. And families who were ready to testify were shut out entirely. We dig into what the justice system thinks it's doing when it claims to “spare victims from testimony” — and what actually happens when their agency is removed. We examine the optics, the backlash, the calls for a grand jury investigation, and what this outcome signals to victims everywhere who are deciding whether reporting abuse is even worth the trauma. Stacy asks the question on everyone's mind: Would this outcome look the same if Butler's family didn't have status and connections? This is systemic failure in real time — and a case study in how trust is destroyed. #JesseButler #JusticeSystemFailure #YouthfulOffender #RobinDreeke #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #VictimsRights #TrueCrimeAnalysis #OklahomaJustice #AccountabilityNow Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Eighteen-year-old Anna Kepner died on a cruise ship. Her sixteen-year-old stepbrother is the suspect. Now the public is hearing two competing narratives: the parents describing a picture-perfect blended family, and outside witnesses describing aggression, chokeholds, and tension adults insist never existed. In this interview, former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke breaks down how investigators read these conflicting accounts. What signals truth? What signals narrative-protection? And how do you tell the difference between a family genuinely blindsided — and a family rewriting history? We explore the grandparents' “everything was fine” statements, the ex-boyfriend's drastically different perspective, the minimized reports of chokeholds, and the strange detail that sleeping arrangements were handled through a travel agent rather than the teenagers themselves. Stacy presses an important question: what does that say about the family's communication — and who was actually being considered? This is a breakdown of behavior, messaging, and the subtle cues investigators look for when tragedy fractures a family story. #AnnaKepner #CruiseInvestigation #RobinDreeke #FamilyDynamics #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeForAnna #CrimeBreakdown Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Jesse Butler wasn't the monster people warn their daughters about. He was the boyfriend parents trusted. Flowers, church, country clubs, family dinners — the whole Norman Rockwell starter kit. And according to investigators, behind that perfectly polished image was a pattern of calculated violence that nearly killed two teenage girls. In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke breaks down how someone like Butler operates in plain sight — how predators build charm, weaponize trust, and calibrate threats to keep victims silent. We walk through the behavioral markers, the escalation from love-bombing to violence, and why strangulation is one of the most chilling predictors of future lethal behavior. We also look at the bodycam moment where Butler's mother immediately coaches him — and what that interaction reveals about the ecosystem that allows someone this dangerous to thrive. And as Stacy points out, strangulation requires sustained, intentional effort. What does that tell us about motive, psychology, and risk moving forward? If you're a parent, guardian, or young adult — this is a conversation you cannot afford to skip. #JesseButlerCase #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #DatingViolence #VictimSupport #StrangulationRisk #JusticeForSurvivors Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two victims. Video evidence. Medical records. Eleven felonies. A potential 78-year sentence. And somehow, Jesse Butler walked away with community service, counseling sessions, and the promise of a wiped-clean record at nineteen. In this segment, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke returns to dissect the institutional meltdown surrounding this case. The DA cut a deal without notifying the victims. A judge with connections to Butler's father granted youthful offender status. A community service program rejected Butler outright. And families who were ready to testify were shut out entirely. We dig into what the justice system thinks it's doing when it claims to “spare victims from testimony” — and what actually happens when their agency is removed. We examine the optics, the backlash, the calls for a grand jury investigation, and what this outcome signals to victims everywhere who are deciding whether reporting abuse is even worth the trauma. Stacy asks the question on everyone's mind: Would this outcome look the same if Butler's family didn't have status and connections? This is systemic failure in real time — and a case study in how trust is destroyed. #JesseButler #JusticeSystemFailure #YouthfulOffender #RobinDreeke #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #VictimsRights #TrueCrimeAnalysis #OklahomaJustice #AccountabilityNow Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Eighteen-year-old Anna Kepner died on a cruise ship. Her sixteen-year-old stepbrother is the suspect. Now the public is hearing two competing narratives: the parents describing a picture-perfect blended family, and outside witnesses describing aggression, chokeholds, and tension adults insist never existed. In this interview, former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke breaks down how investigators read these conflicting accounts. What signals truth? What signals narrative-protection? And how do you tell the difference between a family genuinely blindsided — and a family rewriting history? We explore the grandparents' “everything was fine” statements, the ex-boyfriend's drastically different perspective, the minimized reports of chokeholds, and the strange detail that sleeping arrangements were handled through a travel agent rather than the teenagers themselves. Stacy presses an important question: what does that say about the family's communication — and who was actually being considered? This is a breakdown of behavior, messaging, and the subtle cues investigators look for when tragedy fractures a family story. #AnnaKepner #CruiseInvestigation #RobinDreeke #FamilyDynamics #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeForAnna #CrimeBreakdown Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Jesse Butler wasn't the monster people warn their daughters about. He was the boyfriend parents trusted. Flowers, church, country clubs, family dinners — the whole Norman Rockwell starter kit. And according to investigators, behind that perfectly polished image was a pattern of calculated violence that nearly killed two teenage girls. In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke breaks down how someone like Butler operates in plain sight — how predators build charm, weaponize trust, and calibrate threats to keep victims silent. We walk through the behavioral markers, the escalation from love-bombing to violence, and why strangulation is one of the most chilling predictors of future lethal behavior. We also look at the bodycam moment where Butler's mother immediately coaches him — and what that interaction reveals about the ecosystem that allows someone this dangerous to thrive. And as Stacy points out, strangulation requires sustained, intentional effort. What does that tell us about motive, psychology, and risk moving forward? If you're a parent, guardian, or young adult — this is a conversation you cannot afford to skip. #JesseButlerCase #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #DatingViolence #VictimSupport #StrangulationRisk #JusticeForSurvivors Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Jesse Butler wasn't the monster people warn their daughters about. He was the boyfriend parents trusted. Flowers, church, country clubs, family dinners — the whole Norman Rockwell starter kit. And according to investigators, behind that perfectly polished image was a pattern of calculated violence that nearly killed two teenage girls. In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke breaks down how someone like Butler operates in plain sight — how predators build charm, weaponize trust, and calibrate threats to keep victims silent. We walk through the behavioral markers, the escalation from love-bombing to violence, and why strangulation is one of the most chilling predictors of future lethal behavior. We also look at the bodycam moment where Butler's mother immediately coaches him — and what that interaction reveals about the ecosystem that allows someone this dangerous to thrive. And as Stacy points out, strangulation requires sustained, intentional effort. What does that tell us about motive, psychology, and risk moving forward? If you're a parent, guardian, or young adult — this is a conversation you cannot afford to skip. #JesseButlerCase #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #DatingViolence #VictimSupport #StrangulationRisk #JusticeForSurvivors Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two victims. Video evidence. Medical records. Eleven felonies. A potential 78-year sentence. And somehow, Jesse Butler walked away with community service, counseling sessions, and the promise of a wiped-clean record at nineteen. In this segment, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke returns to dissect the institutional meltdown surrounding this case. The DA cut a deal without notifying the victims. A judge with connections to Butler's father granted youthful offender status. A community service program rejected Butler outright. And families who were ready to testify were shut out entirely. We dig into what the justice system thinks it's doing when it claims to “spare victims from testimony” — and what actually happens when their agency is removed. We examine the optics, the backlash, the calls for a grand jury investigation, and what this outcome signals to victims everywhere who are deciding whether reporting abuse is even worth the trauma. Stacy asks the question on everyone's mind: Would this outcome look the same if Butler's family didn't have status and connections? This is systemic failure in real time — and a case study in how trust is destroyed. #JesseButler #JusticeSystemFailure #YouthfulOffender #RobinDreeke #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #VictimsRights #TrueCrimeAnalysis #OklahomaJustice #AccountabilityNow Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Eighteen-year-old Anna Kepner died on a cruise ship. Her sixteen-year-old stepbrother is the suspect. Now the public is hearing two competing narratives: the parents describing a picture-perfect blended family, and outside witnesses describing aggression, chokeholds, and tension adults insist never existed. In this interview, former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke breaks down how investigators read these conflicting accounts. What signals truth? What signals narrative-protection? And how do you tell the difference between a family genuinely blindsided — and a family rewriting history? We explore the grandparents' “everything was fine” statements, the ex-boyfriend's drastically different perspective, the minimized reports of chokeholds, and the strange detail that sleeping arrangements were handled through a travel agent rather than the teenagers themselves. Stacy presses an important question: what does that say about the family's communication — and who was actually being considered? This is a breakdown of behavior, messaging, and the subtle cues investigators look for when tragedy fractures a family story. #AnnaKepner #CruiseInvestigation #RobinDreeke #FamilyDynamics #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeForAnna #CrimeBreakdown Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Jesse Butler wasn't the monster people warn their daughters about. He was the boyfriend parents trusted. Flowers, church, country clubs, family dinners — the whole Norman Rockwell starter kit. And according to investigators, behind that perfectly polished image was a pattern of calculated violence that nearly killed two teenage girls. In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke breaks down how someone like Butler operates in plain sight — how predators build charm, weaponize trust, and calibrate threats to keep victims silent. We walk through the behavioral markers, the escalation from love-bombing to violence, and why strangulation is one of the most chilling predictors of future lethal behavior. We also look at the bodycam moment where Butler's mother immediately coaches him — and what that interaction reveals about the ecosystem that allows someone this dangerous to thrive. And as Stacy points out, strangulation requires sustained, intentional effort. What does that tell us about motive, psychology, and risk moving forward? If you're a parent, guardian, or young adult — this is a conversation you cannot afford to skip. #JesseButlerCase #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #DatingViolence #VictimSupport #StrangulationRisk #JusticeForSurvivors Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Eighteen-year-old Anna Kepner died on a cruise ship. Her sixteen-year-old stepbrother is the suspect. Now the public is hearing two competing narratives: the parents describing a picture-perfect blended family, and outside witnesses describing aggression, chokeholds, and tension adults insist never existed. In this interview, former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke breaks down how investigators read these conflicting accounts. What signals truth? What signals narrative-protection? And how do you tell the difference between a family genuinely blindsided — and a family rewriting history? We explore the grandparents' “everything was fine” statements, the ex-boyfriend's drastically different perspective, the minimized reports of chokeholds, and the strange detail that sleeping arrangements were handled through a travel agent rather than the teenagers themselves. Stacy presses an important question: what does that say about the family's communication — and who was actually being considered? This is a breakdown of behavior, messaging, and the subtle cues investigators look for when tragedy fractures a family story. #AnnaKepner #CruiseInvestigation #RobinDreeke #FamilyDynamics #TrueCrimePodcast #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BehavioralAnalysis #JusticeForAnna #CrimeBreakdown Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two victims. Video evidence. Medical records. Eleven felonies. A potential 78-year sentence. And somehow, Jesse Butler walked away with community service, counseling sessions, and the promise of a wiped-clean record at nineteen. In this segment, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke returns to dissect the institutional meltdown surrounding this case. The DA cut a deal without notifying the victims. A judge with connections to Butler's father granted youthful offender status. A community service program rejected Butler outright. And families who were ready to testify were shut out entirely. We dig into what the justice system thinks it's doing when it claims to “spare victims from testimony” — and what actually happens when their agency is removed. We examine the optics, the backlash, the calls for a grand jury investigation, and what this outcome signals to victims everywhere who are deciding whether reporting abuse is even worth the trauma. Stacy asks the question on everyone's mind: Would this outcome look the same if Butler's family didn't have status and connections? This is systemic failure in real time — and a case study in how trust is destroyed. #JesseButler #JusticeSystemFailure #YouthfulOffender #RobinDreeke #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #VictimsRights #TrueCrimeAnalysis #OklahomaJustice #AccountabilityNow Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe is on trial right now for murdering and dismembering his wife Ana. Her body has never been found. He's already pleaded guilty to disposing of her remains and lying to police—but he says he didn't kill her. His defense: he woke up, found her dead from some unexplained medical event, and panicked. Rather than call 911, he spent three days Googling how to dismember a body, bought a hacksaw and hatchet at Home Depot, and distributed her remains across dumpsters in eastern Massachusetts. To protect his kids, they say. The prosecution has a different theory. And a search history that starts at 4:55 a.m. with "how long before a body starts to smell." In this full interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—takes us through every dimension of this case. Dreeke spent 21 years catching spies and detecting deception at the highest levels. His expertise is reading people: what they say, what they do, and what the gap between those things reveals. We break down Walshe's police interviews and the behavioral markers of deception. We examine the marriage itself—the affair Ana was hiding, the power imbalance created by Brian's home confinement, the resentments that may have been building beneath the surface. And we analyze the aftermath: the Google searches, the shopping trips, the dumpster runs, and what that sequence of behavior tells us about guilt or innocence. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who made a career out of knowing when people are lying. The jury is deliberating the evidence. After this interview, you'll understand what that evidence actually means. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #FBIProfiler #MurderTrial #DeceptionDetection #CrimePsychology #PoliceInterview #ForensicEvidence #GoogleSearches #TrueCrimePodcast #Cohasset #MassachusettsCrime #ConsciousnessOfGuilt #CriminalBehavior #TrueCrimeCommunity #JusticeForAna #ColdCase #FBIAgent #Interrogation Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe is on trial right now for murdering and dismembering his wife Ana. Her body has never been found. He's already pleaded guilty to disposing of her remains and lying to police—but he says he didn't kill her. His defense: he woke up, found her dead from some unexplained medical event, and panicked. Rather than call 911, he spent three days Googling how to dismember a body, bought a hacksaw and hatchet at Home Depot, and distributed her remains across dumpsters in eastern Massachusetts. To protect his kids, they say. The prosecution has a different theory. And a search history that starts at 4:55 a.m. with "how long before a body starts to smell." In this full interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—takes us through every dimension of this case. Dreeke spent 21 years catching spies and detecting deception at the highest levels. His expertise is reading people: what they say, what they do, and what the gap between those things reveals. We break down Walshe's police interviews and the behavioral markers of deception. We examine the marriage itself—the affair Ana was hiding, the power imbalance created by Brian's home confinement, the resentments that may have been building beneath the surface. And we analyze the aftermath: the Google searches, the shopping trips, the dumpster runs, and what that sequence of behavior tells us about guilt or innocence. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who made a career out of knowing when people are lying. The jury is deliberating the evidence. After this interview, you'll understand what that evidence actually means. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #FBIProfiler #MurderTrial #DeceptionDetection #CrimePsychology #PoliceInterview #ForensicEvidence #GoogleSearches #TrueCrimePodcast #Cohasset #MassachusettsCrime #ConsciousnessOfGuilt #CriminalBehavior #TrueCrimeCommunity #JusticeForAna #ColdCase #FBIAgent #Interrogation Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe is on trial right now for murdering and dismembering his wife Ana. Her body has never been found. He's already pleaded guilty to disposing of her remains and lying to police—but he says he didn't kill her. His defense: he woke up, found her dead from some unexplained medical event, and panicked. Rather than call 911, he spent three days Googling how to dismember a body, bought a hacksaw and hatchet at Home Depot, and distributed her remains across dumpsters in eastern Massachusetts. To protect his kids, they say. The prosecution has a different theory. And a search history that starts at 4:55 a.m. with "how long before a body starts to smell." In this full interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—takes us through every dimension of this case. Dreeke spent 21 years catching spies and detecting deception at the highest levels. His expertise is reading people: what they say, what they do, and what the gap between those things reveals. We break down Walshe's police interviews and the behavioral markers of deception. We examine the marriage itself—the affair Ana was hiding, the power imbalance created by Brian's home confinement, the resentments that may have been building beneath the surface. And we analyze the aftermath: the Google searches, the shopping trips, the dumpster runs, and what that sequence of behavior tells us about guilt or innocence. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who made a career out of knowing when people are lying. The jury is deliberating the evidence. After this interview, you'll understand what that evidence actually means. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #BehavioralAnalysis #FBIProfiler #MurderTrial #DeceptionDetection #CrimePsychology #PoliceInterview #ForensicEvidence #GoogleSearches #TrueCrimePodcast #Cohasset #MassachusettsCrime #ConsciousnessOfGuilt #CriminalBehavior #TrueCrimeCommunity #JusticeForAna #ColdCase #FBIAgent #Interrogation Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Whatever happened to Ana Walshe in the early hours of January 1, 2023, her husband left a trail. Starting at 4:55 a.m., he searched "how long before a body starts to smell." Over the next 72 hours: "hacksaw best tool to dismember," "can you be charged with murder without a body," "how to clean blood from wooden floor." He went to Home Depot in surgical gloves and a mask, paying cash for tarps, mops, a hatchet, and baking soda. Surveillance cameras caught him at dumpsters near his mother's apartment. Inside those bags: bloodstained clothing, cutting tools, and Ana's COVID vaccination card. Then he called her employer and reported her missing. The defense says this was panic—a man who found his wife inexplicably dead and made catastrophic decisions to protect his children. The prosecution says it's consciousness of guilt, documented in real time. In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—whose expertise is behavioral prediction, understanding what people will do based on observable patterns—walks us through what the aftermath reveals. We examine the psychology of cover-up behavior: What does the progression of those searches tell us about mental state? Does the timeline suggest planning or improvisation? Why would someone research removing a hard drive but never actually do it? And we confront the question the jury has to answer: Is it more plausible that an innocent man responded to tragedy by dismembering his wife's body and distributing it across Massachusetts—or that a guilty man just wasn't as smart as he thought he was? #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #CoverUp #GoogleSearches #ForensicEvidence #BehavioralAnalysis #ConsciousnessOfGuilt #MurderTrial #CrimePsychology #TrueCrimePodcast #DigitalEvidence #CrimeScene #MassachusettsCrime #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalBehavior Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe sat across from detectives and told them everything was fine. Happy marriage. No affair. No idea where his wife went. He said he'd "never do anything to hurt" Ana. What investigators didn't tell him right away was that they'd already pulled his search history—queries like "how long before a body starts to smell" and "can you be charged with murder without a body." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—breaks down the recorded police interviews that are now central evidence in the Brian Walshe murder trial. For 21 years, Dreeke's job was catching people in lies that threatened national security. He knows what deception looks like under pressure, and he's walking us through exactly what Walshe's words, delivery, and behavior reveal. We dig into the specific tells: Why did Walshe volunteer that his wife's texts sometimes popped up on his phone? What does it mean when someone fabricates alibi details that surveillance footage directly contradicts? How does a person maintain composure across multiple interviews while their laptop contains a roadmap to dismemberment? Dreeke explains the difference between genuine denial and performance, why guilty people often give too much information, and what baseline behavioral shifts—like a suddenly rushed demeanor at daycare drop-off—actually signal. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who spent two decades in rooms with people whose lies had consequences. The Walshe trial is happening right now. The jury is hearing these recordings. And once you understand what to listen for, you'll never hear them the same way. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #BehavioralAnalysis #RobinDreeke #DeceptionDetection #PoliceInterview #MurderTrial #CohassetMurder #CrimePsychology #BodyLanguage #Interrogation #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalBehavior #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #Justice #MassachusettsCrime Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

From the outside, the Walshes had it together. Three kids, a house in upscale Cohasset, a townhome in D.C., and Ana rising through commercial real estate. But the structure was fractured in ways that matter. Ana was months into an affair. Brian was under federal home confinement for art fraud, unable to travel, serving as primary caregiver while his wife built a separate life 400 miles away. She was the breadwinner. He was stuck. Four days before Ana died, someone on Brian's devices searched "what's the best state to divorce for a man." Two days later, their last text exchange ended with "love you" and "love you too." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—who spent his career studying trust, betrayal, and human motivation—helps us understand what was actually happening inside that marriage. His framework isn't academic theory. It comes from decades of assessing relationships where the stakes were life and death. We explore the behavioral dynamics the jury won't see spelled out: What does it mean that Ana spoke positively about Brian while conducting an affair? How does a power imbalance like home confinement reshape someone's psychology? Can resentment build invisibly until it becomes something else entirely? And what did Ana's careful management of the affair—insisting Brian hear about it from her, worrying about his reaction—tell us about how she perceived the risk? The prosecution says Brian discovered the affair and killed her. The defense says he didn't even know. Somewhere in the behavioral evidence is the answer. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #RelationshipDynamics #DomesticViolence #BehavioralAnalysis #TrustAndBetrayal #Affair #MurderMotive #CrimePsychology #TrueCrimePodcast #IntimatePartnerViolence #Cohasset #MassachusettsCrime #FBIProfiler #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalPsychology Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe sat across from detectives and told them everything was fine. Happy marriage. No affair. No idea where his wife went. He said he'd "never do anything to hurt" Ana. What investigators didn't tell him right away was that they'd already pulled his search history—queries like "how long before a body starts to smell" and "can you be charged with murder without a body." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—breaks down the recorded police interviews that are now central evidence in the Brian Walshe murder trial. For 21 years, Dreeke's job was catching people in lies that threatened national security. He knows what deception looks like under pressure, and he's walking us through exactly what Walshe's words, delivery, and behavior reveal. We dig into the specific tells: Why did Walshe volunteer that his wife's texts sometimes popped up on his phone? What does it mean when someone fabricates alibi details that surveillance footage directly contradicts? How does a person maintain composure across multiple interviews while their laptop contains a roadmap to dismemberment? Dreeke explains the difference between genuine denial and performance, why guilty people often give too much information, and what baseline behavioral shifts—like a suddenly rushed demeanor at daycare drop-off—actually signal. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who spent two decades in rooms with people whose lies had consequences. The Walshe trial is happening right now. The jury is hearing these recordings. And once you understand what to listen for, you'll never hear them the same way. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #BehavioralAnalysis #RobinDreeke #DeceptionDetection #PoliceInterview #MurderTrial #CohassetMurder #CrimePsychology #BodyLanguage #Interrogation #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalBehavior #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #Justice #MassachusettsCrime Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

From the outside, the Walshes had it together. Three kids, a house in upscale Cohasset, a townhome in D.C., and Ana rising through commercial real estate. But the structure was fractured in ways that matter. Ana was months into an affair. Brian was under federal home confinement for art fraud, unable to travel, serving as primary caregiver while his wife built a separate life 400 miles away. She was the breadwinner. He was stuck. Four days before Ana died, someone on Brian's devices searched "what's the best state to divorce for a man." Two days later, their last text exchange ended with "love you" and "love you too." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—who spent his career studying trust, betrayal, and human motivation—helps us understand what was actually happening inside that marriage. His framework isn't academic theory. It comes from decades of assessing relationships where the stakes were life and death. We explore the behavioral dynamics the jury won't see spelled out: What does it mean that Ana spoke positively about Brian while conducting an affair? How does a power imbalance like home confinement reshape someone's psychology? Can resentment build invisibly until it becomes something else entirely? And what did Ana's careful management of the affair—insisting Brian hear about it from her, worrying about his reaction—tell us about how she perceived the risk? The prosecution says Brian discovered the affair and killed her. The defense says he didn't even know. Somewhere in the behavioral evidence is the answer. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #RelationshipDynamics #DomesticViolence #BehavioralAnalysis #TrustAndBetrayal #Affair #MurderMotive #CrimePsychology #TrueCrimePodcast #IntimatePartnerViolence #Cohasset #MassachusettsCrime #FBIProfiler #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalPsychology Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Whatever happened to Ana Walshe in the early hours of January 1, 2023, her husband left a trail. Starting at 4:55 a.m., he searched "how long before a body starts to smell." Over the next 72 hours: "hacksaw best tool to dismember," "can you be charged with murder without a body," "how to clean blood from wooden floor." He went to Home Depot in surgical gloves and a mask, paying cash for tarps, mops, a hatchet, and baking soda. Surveillance cameras caught him at dumpsters near his mother's apartment. Inside those bags: bloodstained clothing, cutting tools, and Ana's COVID vaccination card. Then he called her employer and reported her missing. The defense says this was panic—a man who found his wife inexplicably dead and made catastrophic decisions to protect his children. The prosecution says it's consciousness of guilt, documented in real time. In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—whose expertise is behavioral prediction, understanding what people will do based on observable patterns—walks us through what the aftermath reveals. We examine the psychology of cover-up behavior: What does the progression of those searches tell us about mental state? Does the timeline suggest planning or improvisation? Why would someone research removing a hard drive but never actually do it? And we confront the question the jury has to answer: Is it more plausible that an innocent man responded to tragedy by dismembering his wife's body and distributing it across Massachusetts—or that a guilty man just wasn't as smart as he thought he was? #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #CoverUp #GoogleSearches #ForensicEvidence #BehavioralAnalysis #ConsciousnessOfGuilt #MurderTrial #CrimePsychology #TrueCrimePodcast #DigitalEvidence #CrimeScene #MassachusettsCrime #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalBehavior Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

From the outside, the Walshes had it together. Three kids, a house in upscale Cohasset, a townhome in D.C., and Ana rising through commercial real estate. But the structure was fractured in ways that matter. Ana was months into an affair. Brian was under federal home confinement for art fraud, unable to travel, serving as primary caregiver while his wife built a separate life 400 miles away. She was the breadwinner. He was stuck. Four days before Ana died, someone on Brian's devices searched "what's the best state to divorce for a man." Two days later, their last text exchange ended with "love you" and "love you too." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—who spent his career studying trust, betrayal, and human motivation—helps us understand what was actually happening inside that marriage. His framework isn't academic theory. It comes from decades of assessing relationships where the stakes were life and death. We explore the behavioral dynamics the jury won't see spelled out: What does it mean that Ana spoke positively about Brian while conducting an affair? How does a power imbalance like home confinement reshape someone's psychology? Can resentment build invisibly until it becomes something else entirely? And what did Ana's careful management of the affair—insisting Brian hear about it from her, worrying about his reaction—tell us about how she perceived the risk? The prosecution says Brian discovered the affair and killed her. The defense says he didn't even know. Somewhere in the behavioral evidence is the answer. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #RelationshipDynamics #DomesticViolence #BehavioralAnalysis #TrustAndBetrayal #Affair #MurderMotive #CrimePsychology #TrueCrimePodcast #IntimatePartnerViolence #Cohasset #MassachusettsCrime #FBIProfiler #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalPsychology Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Whatever happened to Ana Walshe in the early hours of January 1, 2023, her husband left a trail. Starting at 4:55 a.m., he searched "how long before a body starts to smell." Over the next 72 hours: "hacksaw best tool to dismember," "can you be charged with murder without a body," "how to clean blood from wooden floor." He went to Home Depot in surgical gloves and a mask, paying cash for tarps, mops, a hatchet, and baking soda. Surveillance cameras caught him at dumpsters near his mother's apartment. Inside those bags: bloodstained clothing, cutting tools, and Ana's COVID vaccination card. Then he called her employer and reported her missing. The defense says this was panic—a man who found his wife inexplicably dead and made catastrophic decisions to protect his children. The prosecution says it's consciousness of guilt, documented in real time. In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—whose expertise is behavioral prediction, understanding what people will do based on observable patterns—walks us through what the aftermath reveals. We examine the psychology of cover-up behavior: What does the progression of those searches tell us about mental state? Does the timeline suggest planning or improvisation? Why would someone research removing a hard drive but never actually do it? And we confront the question the jury has to answer: Is it more plausible that an innocent man responded to tragedy by dismembering his wife's body and distributing it across Massachusetts—or that a guilty man just wasn't as smart as he thought he was? #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #RobinDreeke #CoverUp #GoogleSearches #ForensicEvidence #BehavioralAnalysis #ConsciousnessOfGuilt #MurderTrial #CrimePsychology #TrueCrimePodcast #DigitalEvidence #CrimeScene #MassachusettsCrime #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalBehavior Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe sat across from detectives and told them everything was fine. Happy marriage. No affair. No idea where his wife went. He said he'd "never do anything to hurt" Ana. What investigators didn't tell him right away was that they'd already pulled his search history—queries like "how long before a body starts to smell" and "can you be charged with murder without a body." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—breaks down the recorded police interviews that are now central evidence in the Brian Walshe murder trial. For 21 years, Dreeke's job was catching people in lies that threatened national security. He knows what deception looks like under pressure, and he's walking us through exactly what Walshe's words, delivery, and behavior reveal. We dig into the specific tells: Why did Walshe volunteer that his wife's texts sometimes popped up on his phone? What does it mean when someone fabricates alibi details that surveillance footage directly contradicts? How does a person maintain composure across multiple interviews while their laptop contains a roadmap to dismemberment? Dreeke explains the difference between genuine denial and performance, why guilty people often give too much information, and what baseline behavioral shifts—like a suddenly rushed demeanor at daycare drop-off—actually signal. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who spent two decades in rooms with people whose lies had consequences. The Walshe trial is happening right now. The jury is hearing these recordings. And once you understand what to listen for, you'll never hear them the same way. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #BehavioralAnalysis #RobinDreeke #DeceptionDetection #PoliceInterview #MurderTrial #CohassetMurder #CrimePsychology #BodyLanguage #Interrogation #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalBehavior #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #Justice #MassachusettsCrime Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe sat across from detectives and told them everything was fine. Happy marriage. No affair. No idea where his wife went. He said he'd "never do anything to hurt" Ana. What investigators didn't tell him right away was that they'd already pulled his search history—queries like "how long before a body starts to smell" and "can you be charged with murder without a body." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—breaks down the recorded police interviews that are now central evidence in the Brian Walshe murder trial. For 21 years, Dreeke's job was catching people in lies that threatened national security. He knows what deception looks like under pressure, and he's walking us through exactly what Walshe's words, delivery, and behavior reveal. We dig into the specific tells: Why did Walshe volunteer that his wife's texts sometimes popped up on his phone? What does it mean when someone fabricates alibi details that surveillance footage directly contradicts? How does a person maintain composure across multiple interviews while their laptop contains a roadmap to dismemberment? Dreeke explains the difference between genuine denial and performance, why guilty people often give too much information, and what baseline behavioral shifts—like a suddenly rushed demeanor at daycare drop-off—actually signal. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who spent two decades in rooms with people whose lies had consequences. The Walshe trial is happening right now. The jury is hearing these recordings. And once you understand what to listen for, you'll never hear them the same way. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #BehavioralAnalysis #RobinDreeke #DeceptionDetection #PoliceInterview #MurderTrial #CohassetMurder #CrimePsychology #BodyLanguage #Interrogation #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalBehavior #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #Justice #MassachusettsCrime Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe sat across from detectives and told them everything was fine. Happy marriage. No affair. No idea where his wife went. He said he'd "never do anything to hurt" Ana. What investigators didn't tell him right away was that they'd already pulled his search history—queries like "how long before a body starts to smell" and "can you be charged with murder without a body." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—breaks down the recorded police interviews that are now central evidence in the Brian Walshe murder trial. For 21 years, Dreeke's job was catching people in lies that threatened national security. He knows what deception looks like under pressure, and he's walking us through exactly what Walshe's words, delivery, and behavior reveal. We dig into the specific tells: Why did Walshe volunteer that his wife's texts sometimes popped up on his phone? What does it mean when someone fabricates alibi details that surveillance footage directly contradicts? How does a person maintain composure across multiple interviews while their laptop contains a roadmap to dismemberment? Dreeke explains the difference between genuine denial and performance, why guilty people often give too much information, and what baseline behavioral shifts—like a suddenly rushed demeanor at daycare drop-off—actually signal. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who spent two decades in rooms with people whose lies had consequences. The Walshe trial is happening right now. The jury is hearing these recordings. And once you understand what to listen for, you'll never hear them the same way. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #BehavioralAnalysis #RobinDreeke #DeceptionDetection #PoliceInterview #MurderTrial #CohassetMurder #CrimePsychology #BodyLanguage #Interrogation #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalBehavior #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #Justice #MassachusettsCrime Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Brian Walshe sat across from detectives and told them everything was fine. Happy marriage. No affair. No idea where his wife went. He said he'd "never do anything to hurt" Ana. What investigators didn't tell him right away was that they'd already pulled his search history—queries like "how long before a body starts to smell" and "can you be charged with murder without a body." In this interview, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke—former chief of the Bureau's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program—breaks down the recorded police interviews that are now central evidence in the Brian Walshe murder trial. For 21 years, Dreeke's job was catching people in lies that threatened national security. He knows what deception looks like under pressure, and he's walking us through exactly what Walshe's words, delivery, and behavior reveal. We dig into the specific tells: Why did Walshe volunteer that his wife's texts sometimes popped up on his phone? What does it mean when someone fabricates alibi details that surveillance footage directly contradicts? How does a person maintain composure across multiple interviews while their laptop contains a roadmap to dismemberment? Dreeke explains the difference between genuine denial and performance, why guilty people often give too much information, and what baseline behavioral shifts—like a suddenly rushed demeanor at daycare drop-off—actually signal. This isn't speculation. It's pattern recognition from someone who spent two decades in rooms with people whose lies had consequences. The Walshe trial is happening right now. The jury is hearing these recordings. And once you understand what to listen for, you'll never hear them the same way. #BrianWalshe #AnaWalshe #WalsheTrial #TrueCrime #FBI #BehavioralAnalysis #RobinDreeke #DeceptionDetection #PoliceInterview #MurderTrial #CohassetMurder #CrimePsychology #BodyLanguage #Interrogation #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalBehavior #FBIAgent #TrueCrimeCommunity #Justice #MassachusettsCrime Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

As part of our Hidden Killers 2025 Year in Review series, we're revisiting the question that haunts this case — can studying crime actually teach someone how to commit it? When Bryan Kohberger, a Ph.D. student in criminology, was arrested for the brutal murders of four University of Idaho students, the irony was inescapable. The man studying the psychology of killers was suddenly accused of becoming one. But what makes this case so disturbing isn't just the alleged crime — it's the meticulous planning prosecutors say went into  it. In this two-part deep dive, Tony Brueski is joined by former felony prosecutor Eric Faddis and retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke to dissect the chilling contradictions of Kohberger's mind and methods. Faddis unpacks the mountain of circumstantial evidence: Amazon receipts for a combat knife, face mask, and sheath bought months before the murders; a phone that conveniently “went dark” the night of the killings; license plates swapped just days after; and trash runs in gloves at four in the morning. The prosecution says this wasn't just murder — it was an attempt at the perfect one. But can a defense argument of social awkwardness or autism spectrum behavior humanize a suspect accused of such precise brutality? Then, Dreeke dives into the psychology. What happens when curiosity about crime becomes a compulsion to control? Was Kohberger's alleged “research” into how criminals feel during their acts a window into his own fascination? From eerily timed online posts to that infamous mirror selfie that mirrors American Psycho and Psycho, Dreeke and Brueski explore how fantasy, narcissism, and obsession may have fused into something monstrous. And what about those alleged rap lyrics and digital “breadcrumb trails”? Were they bravado, confession, or taunt? When someone studies the mechanics of murder for years, do they start to believe they can outsmart the system that taught them?

This case isn't just tragic — it's claustrophobic. A cabin. A blended family. A teenager found hidden under a bed. And every adult involved spiraling in a different direction while the FBI tries to reconstruct what happened in those critical early moments. Tonight on Hidden Killers, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins me to break down one of the most complex psychological environments we've seen in a long time: the death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner on board a cruise ship returning to Miami. We start with the concealment. Not found in a hallway. Not found collapsed. Hidden. Wrapped. Placed under a bed. Robin explains what concealment commonly signals in juveniles and why — contrary to popular belief — it doesn't automatically equate to malicious intent. Panic can look like guilt. Shock can look like deception. Fear can fuel catastrophic decisions. Then there's the 16-year-old stepsibling — the one now labeled a suspect — and his reported claim that he “doesn't remember what happened” and was an “emotional wreck.” Robin walks us through the behavioral possibilities behind that statement: trauma, dissociation, avoidance, overwhelm, or genuine blackout under stress. Next, we dismantle the family chaos that erupted online: the biological mother melting down on TikTok, the grandmother calling it murder, the father staying silent, relatives sniping at each other publicly. Robin explains how investigators sift through emotional noise, identify authentic behavior patterns, and avoid being pulled into the whirlpool of family dysfunction. Finally, we look at what matters next: timeline consistency, nonverbal cues from the juvenile, whether stories shift, and what the autopsy reveals about intent, panic, or something in between. This is a conversation about behavior, not blame — and it may be the clearest breakdown of this case you'll hear anywhere. #HiddenKillers #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimeAnalysis #RobinDreeke #BehavioralScience #FBIProfiler #CruiseCase #FamilyDynamics #CrimeInvestigation #JuvenileBehavior Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

As part of our Hidden Killers 2025 Year in Review series, we're revisiting the question that haunts this case — can studying crime actually teach someone how to commit it? When Bryan Kohberger, a Ph.D. student in criminology, was arrested for the brutal murders of four University of Idaho students, the irony was inescapable. The man studying the psychology of killers was suddenly accused of becoming one. But what makes this case so disturbing isn't just the alleged crime — it's the meticulous planning prosecutors say went into  it. In this two-part deep dive, Tony Brueski is joined by former felony prosecutor Eric Faddis and retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke to dissect the chilling contradictions of Kohberger's mind and methods. Faddis unpacks the mountain of circumstantial evidence: Amazon receipts for a combat knife, face mask, and sheath bought months before the murders; a phone that conveniently “went dark” the night of the killings; license plates swapped just days after; and trash runs in gloves at four in the morning. The prosecution says this wasn't just murder — it was an attempt at the perfect one. But can a defense argument of social awkwardness or autism spectrum behavior humanize a suspect accused of such precise brutality? Then, Dreeke dives into the psychology. What happens when curiosity about crime becomes a compulsion to control? Was Kohberger's alleged “research” into how criminals feel during their acts a window into his own fascination? From eerily timed online posts to that infamous mirror selfie that mirrors American Psycho and Psycho, Dreeke and Brueski explore how fantasy, narcissism, and obsession may have fused into something monstrous. And what about those alleged rap lyrics and digital “breadcrumb trails”? Were they bravado, confession, or taunt? When someone studies the mechanics of murder for years, do they start to believe they can outsmart the system that taught them?

This case isn't just tragic — it's claustrophobic. A cabin. A blended family. A teenager found hidden under a bed. And every adult involved spiraling in a different direction while the FBI tries to reconstruct what happened in those critical early moments. Tonight on Hidden Killers, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins me to break down one of the most complex psychological environments we've seen in a long time: the death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner on board a cruise ship returning to Miami. We start with the concealment. Not found in a hallway. Not found collapsed. Hidden. Wrapped. Placed under a bed. Robin explains what concealment commonly signals in juveniles and why — contrary to popular belief — it doesn't automatically equate to malicious intent. Panic can look like guilt. Shock can look like deception. Fear can fuel catastrophic decisions. Then there's the 16-year-old stepsibling — the one now labeled a suspect — and his reported claim that he “doesn't remember what happened” and was an “emotional wreck.” Robin walks us through the behavioral possibilities behind that statement: trauma, dissociation, avoidance, overwhelm, or genuine blackout under stress. Next, we dismantle the family chaos that erupted online: the biological mother melting down on TikTok, the grandmother calling it murder, the father staying silent, relatives sniping at each other publicly. Robin explains how investigators sift through emotional noise, identify authentic behavior patterns, and avoid being pulled into the whirlpool of family dysfunction. Finally, we look at what matters next: timeline consistency, nonverbal cues from the juvenile, whether stories shift, and what the autopsy reveals about intent, panic, or something in between. This is a conversation about behavior, not blame — and it may be the clearest breakdown of this case you'll hear anywhere. #HiddenKillers #AnnaKepner #TrueCrimeAnalysis #RobinDreeke #BehavioralScience #FBIProfiler #CruiseCase #FamilyDynamics #CrimeInvestigation #JuvenileBehavior Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872