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Each week Justin and Joe will discuss topics that are pertinent to behavior analysis and intervention for individuals diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. They will have an open and frank discussion of the issue and then engage with audience members about the topic. Keep an eye out for special guest appearances from time to time!

Justin Leaf & Joe Cihon


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    Let's Talk About Sex

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2021 58:49


    This month's episode will welcome Dr. Bobby Newman and Jessica Cauchi to discuss the topic of Let's Talk About Sex. Affectionately known as the Dark Overlord of ABA, Bobby is the first author on 13 books regarding applied behavior analysis, the philosophy of behaviorism, autism spectrum disorders, and utopian literature. He has published over two dozen articles in professional journals, as well as numerous popular magazine articles, and has hosted two series of radio call-in shows.  Jessica is the Director of Atlas Behaviour Consultation and a Board Certified Behaviour Analyst. She received her Master of Science degree in Applied Behaviour Analysis from St. Cloud State University in Minneapolis. She has over 18 years of experience using Applied Behaviour Analysis to teach children, teens, and adults with autism and other developmental disabilities.  You'll want to tune into this one!

    Designing Curriculum Vol. 2

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2021 59:46


    The 8th and final chapter of our second season is bringing back Christine Milne, Jeremy Leaf, and Jonathan Rafuse for another round of curriculum discussion! The panelists will expand on the previous discussion about the development of innovative curriculum for ABA-based intervention for autistics/individuals diagnosed with ASD. Like last time, the audience will be encouraged to ask our guests questions about the development and scope and sequence of curriculum.  CEU OBJECTIVES  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one new approach to targeting learning how to learn skills for autistics/individuals diagnosed with ASD. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one new approach to targeting social skills for autistics/individuals diagnosed with ASD.

    What Does it Mean to be an Effective Advocate?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 11, 2021 56:40


    Chapter 7 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guest Amanda N Kelly (aka Behaviorbabe). Justin, Joe, and Amanda will chat about what it means to be an advocate. The discussion will include the conditions under which advocacy is commonly sought, the qualities that are important to be an effective advocate, and common challenges an advocate might encounter. Learning Objectives: 1. Following this podcast, the audience will identify three behavior analytic skills that an advocate needs to display when working with autistics/individuals diagnosed with ASD. 2. Following this podcast, the audience will identify three challenges that advocates may face and how to resolve these challenges using behavior analytic skills. 3. Following this podcast, the audience will identify three components of quality advocacy as it relates to behavior analysis.  

    Clinical Supervision: Are you a supervisor, mentor, case manager, trainer or just directing the technician?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2021 58:55


    Chapter 6 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guest Melissa Saunders. During this Rants, Justin, Joe, and Melissa will discuss the complicated role of a behavior analyst providing supervision. Today's supervision context for behavior analysts can be a complex endeavor creating many challenges for the supervising behavior analyst. The discussion will include challenges unique to behavior analysts providing supervision, tips to address these challenges and maximize the effectiveness of your supervision, and any questions from the live audience. CEU OBJECTIVES  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one challenge unique to behavior analysts providing supervision. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one approach to address challenges to behavior analysts providing supervision. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one maximize the effectiveness of supervision. Gibson, J.A., Grey, I.M., & Hastings, R.P. (2009). Supervisor support as a predictor of burnout and therapeutic self-efficacy in therapists working in ABA schools. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 39(7), 1024-1030. doi:10.1007/s10803-009-0709-4   Kazemi, E., Shapiro, M., & Kavner, A. (2015). Predictors of intention to turnover in behavior technicians working with individuals working with autism spectrum disorder. Research in Autism Spectrum Disorders, 17, 106-115. doi:10.1016/j.rasd .2015.06.012   Parsons, M. B., Reid, D. H., & Crow, R. E. (2003). Best and worst ways to motivate staff in community agencies: A brief survey of supervisors. Mental Retardation, 41(2), 96-102.   Reid, D., Parsons, M., B., & Green. C. (2011). The developmental disabilities supervisor training curriculum: Evidence-based ways to promote work quality and enjoyment among support staff. Washington, CD: American Association on Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities (AAID).   Reid, D. H., Parsons, M. B., & Green, C. W., (2012). The supervisor's guidebook: Evidence-based strategies for promoting work quality and enjoyment among human service staff.   Reid, D. H., Parsons, M. B., & Jensen, J. M. (2017). Maintaining Staff Performance Following a Training Intervention: Suggestions from a 30-Year Case Example. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 10(1), 12–21. http://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-015-0101-0

    Past, Present, & Future: Experiences of Behavior Analysis Graduate Students

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2021 55:53


    Chapter 5 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guests Anna Dotson, Asim Javed, Danielle LaFrance, & Wes Lowery. Each of the guests will provide their unique experiences as being current and past graduate students of behavior analysis. Justin and Joe will ask the guests to provide any insight and advice for anyone interested in seeking a graduate degree in behavior analysis. Our special guests will also field any questions from the audience related to the graduate school experience. FREE CONFERENCE REGISTRATION FOR A STUDENT!  During this episode we will be selecting one student attendee at random to win a free conference registration for APF's 6th Annual Conference on April 16th!

    The 2022 Ethics Code and Changes from Current Day

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 16, 2021 61:13


    Chapter 4 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guests, Mary Jane Weiss and Thomas Zane!! Justin, Joe, Mary Jane, and Tom will discuss the recent update to the BACB ethics code. Differences between the current code and the 2022 code will be highlighted as well as the BACB's rationale for the changes. The panelists will also discuss ways in which the new code should influence ethical behavior of behavior analysts CEU OBJECTIVES  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will list the major components of the 2022 ethics code. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will explain at least 5 differences between the current ethics code and the 2022 model. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will give the BACB rationale for some of the changes made. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will explain how the new code will influence ethical behavior of behavior analysts in at least 3 ways.

    The Value of Mentorship as a Leadership Skill in Behavior Analysis

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 27, 2021 64:32


    Season 3, Chapter 3 of Rants with Justin and Joe will feature special guests, Daniel Mendoza, Steve Foreman, and Sharon Trew! Justin, Joe, Daniel, Steve, and Sharon will discuss all things mentorship including tips for finding a mentor, maximizing the effectiveness of your mentorship, the development mentorship as a leadership skill, the role of mentorship in developing behavior analysts with cultural humility, and any questions the live audience asks of the panelists. CEU OBJECTIVES 1. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one approach to maximizing the effectiveness of mentorship. 2. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify the importance of the development mentorship as a leadership skill. 3. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify the role of mentorship in developing behavior analysts with cultural humility.

    My Experience with Autism 2021

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2021 54:35


    The second chapter of our third season will feature a special guest appearance by Nicholas Liu, a former client at Autism Partnership Hong Kong. Justin and Joe will talk with Nicholas about his experience with autism and receiving behavior analytic intervention. Members of the audience will also be invited to ask Nicholas questions about his unique experience from diagnosis, to treatment, to adulthood. CEU OBJECTIVES 1. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify one barrier for which Nicholas attributes autism 2. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify one benefit for which Nicholas attributes autism. https://autismpartnershipfoundation.org/podcast/ Disclosure: Nicholas Liu was invited to present his perspective as an educational opportunity on Rants with Justin and Joe. He is not a current or past client of Autism Partnership Foundation.

    3 of 3 Responding to recent critiques about ABA found on social media

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2021 41:11


    The first chapter of our third season will feature special guests Drs. John McEachin and Ron Leaf! During this chapter Justin and Joe will talk with John and Ron about their responses to recent (and past) critiques of ABA attendees are likely to come across on social media. The discussion will highlight concerns expressed from various sources, consider the importance of consumers judgements of goals and intervention selection, discuss balancing concerns with the right to effective behavioral treatment, and consider areas of overlap, reconciliation, and discourse. CEU OBJECTIVES  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one commonly expressed concern expressed from various sources on social media platforms. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one strategy to balance consumer judges' concerns with the right to effective behavioral treatment. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify areas of overlap, reconciliation, and discourse with respect to consumers' judgments of the acceptability of a program's goals and procedures. Research Discussed: https://autismpartnershipfoundation.org/rants3-1-research/

    2 of 3 Responding to recent critiques about ABA found on social media

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2021 65:38


    The first chapter of our third season will feature special guests Drs. John McEachin and Ron Leaf! During this chapter Justin and Joe will talk with John and Ron about their responses to recent (and past) critiques of ABA attendees are likely to come across on social media. The discussion will highlight concerns expressed from various sources, consider the importance of consumers judgements of goals and intervention selection, discuss balancing concerns with the right to effective behavioral treatment, and consider areas of overlap, reconciliation, and discourse. CEU OBJECTIVES  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one commonly expressed concern expressed from various sources on social media platforms. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one strategy to balance consumer judges' concerns with the right to effective behavioral treatment. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify areas of overlap, reconciliation, and discourse with respect to consumers' judgments of the acceptability of a program's goals and procedures. Research Discussed: https://autismpartnershipfoundation.org/rants3-1-research/

    1 of 3 Responding to recent critiques about ABA found on social media

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2021 57:23


    The first chapter of our third season will feature special guests Drs. John McEachin and Ron Leaf! During this chapter Justin and Joe will talk with John and Ron about their responses to recent (and past) critiques of ABA attendees are likely to come across on social media. The discussion will highlight concerns expressed from various sources, consider the importance of consumers judgements of goals and intervention selection, discuss balancing concerns with the right to effective behavioral treatment, and consider areas of overlap, reconciliation, and discourse. CEU OBJECTIVES  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one commonly expressed concern expressed from various sources on social media platforms. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one strategy to balance consumer judges' concerns with the right to effective behavioral treatment. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify areas of overlap, reconciliation, and discourse with respect to consumers' judgments of the acceptability of a program's goals and procedures. Research Discussed: https://autismpartnershipfoundation.org/rants3-1-research/

    Designing Curriculum

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 17, 2020 92:00


    The sixth and final chapter of our second season will feature guests Christine Milne, Jeremy Leaf, and Jonathan Rafuse! Justin and Joe will discuss the development of innovative curriculum for ABA-based intervention for autistics/individuals diagnosed with ASD with Christine, Jeremy, and Jon. The audience will be encouraged to ask our guests questions about the development and scope and sequence of curriculum.  CEU OBJECTIVES  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one new approach to targeting learning how to learn skills for autistics/individuals diagnosed with ASD. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one new approach to targeting social skills for autistics/individuals diagnosed with ASD.

    My Experience with Autism

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 2, 2020 56:45


    The fifth chapter of our second season will feature a special guest appearance by Noah Russell (https://anchor.fm/thebondman007/support)! Justin and Joe will talk with Noah about his unique experience with autism. Members of the audience will be invited to ask Noah questions about his experience and any misconceptions about autism. CEU OBJECTIVES 1.    At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one misconception about autism. 2.    At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least one misconception about ABA-based interventions as they relate to autism intervention. Disclosure: Noah Russell was invited to present his perspective as an educational opportunity on Rants with Justin and Joe. He is not a current or past client of Autism Partnership Foundation.

    Cultural humility and related topics

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2020 92:00


    The fourth chapter of our second season will feature a special guest appearance by Patricia Wright & Elizabeth Fong! During this chapter Justin, Joe, Patricia, and Elizabeth will discuss cultural humility and other related topics (e.g., diversity, social justice). Audience members will be encouraged to join in the discussion by asking questions for the panel to discuss. Challenges and pathways forward related to cultural humility, diversity, and inclusion will be highlighted during the discussion. CEU OBJECTIVES 1. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify challenges related to cultural humility within applied behavior analysis. 2. At the completion of the discussion the audience members will approaches to improve cultural humility, diversity, and equity within the field.

    One world view to rule them all

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2020 92:00


    The second chapter of our second season will feature a special guest appearance by Tom Zane, Ph.D., BCBA-D! During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Tom will discuss how competing worldviews may result in behavior analysts using nonbehavioral treatments. Throughout the discussion the panelists will define “worldview,” outline a radical behaviorist worldview, and highlight examples of worldviews that may be incompatible or directly conflict with radical behaviorism as well as the effect of those worldviews on practicing behavior analysts. CEU OBJECTIVES 1.    At the completion of the discussion the audience members will define what a worldview is and how it impacts their interpretation of the world. 2.    At the completion of the discussion the audience members will define a radical behaviorist worldview. 3.    At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify worldviews that may or may not compete with a radical behaviorist worldview.

    Autism Treatment & Big Business

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2020 92:00


    Abstract: The first chapter of our second season will feature a special guest appearance by Sarah Trautman, M.A., BCBA ! During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Sarah will discuss autism treatment in the age of big business. The panelists will take a deep dive into how big business is affecting autism intervention while inviting questions for the audience. Learning Objectives:  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify what big business is as it relates to autism intervention.  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least two ways big business has affected autism intervention.  Resources:  Taylor, B. A., Leblanc, L. A., & Nosik, M. R. (2019). Compassionate care in behavior analytic treatment: Can outcomes be enhanced by attending to relationships with caregivers? Behavior Analysis in Practice, 12, 654 – 666. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-018-00289-3

    The Benefits and Pitfalls of Social Media

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2020 92:00


    The first chapter of our second season will feature a special guest appearance by Ryan O'Donnell, M.S., BCBA (www.thedailyba.com)! During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Ryan will discuss applied behavior analysis and autism intervention in the age of social media. The hosts will provide their perspectives on benefits and pitfalls about the relationship between social media, applied behavior analysis, and autism intervention.  CEU OBJECTIVES  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least two benefits related to applied behavior analysis and social media.  At the completion of the discussion the audience members will identify at least two pitfalls related to applied behavior analysis and social media.  At the completion of the training the audience members will identify how to approach the relationship between social media, applied behavior analysis, and autism intervention to avoid pitfalls and maximize the benefits.  REFERENCES: The Social Dilemma  Listening to the autistic voice: Mental health priorities to guide research and practice in autism from a stakeholder-driven project The Use of Single-Subject Research to Identify Evidence-Based Practice in Special Education

    Autism and Adulthood: Preparing to Master Adulting

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2020 61:19


    This next chapter has a special guest appearances by Dr. Peter Gerhardt and Amy Gravino (www.AmyGravino.com)! During this chapter Justin, Joe, Peter, and Amy will discuss autism and adulthood. The discussion will include the empirical research for adults diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder ASD, developing meaningful interventions, identifying appropriate goals, and transitions across the lifespan.

    Coloniality, Diversity, & Social Justice in ABA

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2020 61:19


    This next chapter has a special guest appearance by the amazing Dr. Malika Pritchett! During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Malika will discuss coloniality, diversity, and social justice as it relates to applied behavior analysis (ABA). The discussion will include the applied nature of ABA, human rights trends in a prominent behavior analytic journal, considerations of coloniality within ABA, and diversity within and outside of ABA.

    Collaboration is Key!

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2020 61:19


    This next chapter has a special guest appearance by the amazing Dr. Mary Jane Weiss! During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Mary Jane will discuss collaborating as a behavior analyst in multidisciplinary teams. The discussion will include difficulties when collaborating with professionals not sharing a behavior analytic worldview, perceptions of BCBAs from other professionals in multidisciplinary teams, and additional collaboration challenges related to the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Fact or Fiction: Ivar Lovaas and the UCLA Young Autism Project

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2020 61:19


    This next chapter has a special guest appearance by the one and only Dr. Ronald Leaf! Ron Leaf was an instrumental part of the UCLA Young Autism Project and the 1987 outcome study. During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Ron will discuss what happened at the UCLA Young Autism Project and what it was like working with Ivar Lovaas. In doing so we will also be dispelling some common myths about UCLA, Lovaas, and behavioral intervention. The three co-hosts will also discuss how current intervention compares to past intervention and ways to continue to improve the field of ABA and the lives of individuals diagnosed with ASD.

    A Critical Review Of Acceptance & Commitment Training

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2020 61:19


    This next chapter has a special guest appearance by our very own research rockstar Julia Ferguson! During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Julia will discuss and critically evaluate Acceptance and Commitment Training from a behavior analytic perspective. This discussion will include a sneak peek at the results of a literature review that is currently under review in a peer reviewed behavior analytic journal. The hosts will provide their perspectives, concerns, and pathways forward with respect to Acceptance and Commitment Training and behavior analysis.

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    This Week On Social Media

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2020 58:04


    This next chapter has a special guest appearance by the one and only Dr. Bob Ross! During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Bob will discuss current and past posts on social media related to behavior analysis and intervention for individuals diagnosed with ASD. The hosts will provide their unique perspective on the state of social media, ethical challenges that occur with social media, and how to approach posts on social media with skepticism.

    Human Rights, The Big 4, Abolition and Coloniality

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 12, 2020 65:26


    This next chapter has a special guest appearance by Dr. Shahla Ala'i! During this chapter Justin, Joe, and Shahla will take a deep dive into a variety of topics related to human rights, the Big 4, abolition and coloniality.

    Some perspectives of ABA as it relates to ASD

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 22, 2020 38:15


    This next chapter has a special guest appearances by Dr. Melissa Olive (www.appliedbehavioralstrategies.com) and Mx. Oswin Latimer (www.divergentminds.org)! During this chapter Justin, Joe, Melissa, and Oswin will discuss their experiences and perspectives on ABA as it relates to autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The discussion will include each panelists unique experience with ABA as well as asking our guests how being an autistic trans man or guardian of an individual diagnosed with autism has influenced their perspectives on ABA.

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