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An internal medicine doctor and master dog groomer have a candid, table-to-table conversation about dog grooming, entrepreneurship, and other issues that affect the industry and the people who love it.

Jon Polak and Katelyn Peterman


    • Nov 8, 2021 LATEST EPISODE
    • infrequent NEW EPISODES
    • 1h 5m AVG DURATION
    • 51 EPISODES


    Latest episodes from The Rough In

    The Rough In - Advocacy

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 8, 2021 71:11


    This week's episode is about advocacy.  Advocating for the dogs you groom who don't have their own voices to do so.  Advocating for your self and your own health.  We are taking a hiatus, break, vacation.  We will be back either for the holiday or at the beginning of the year. 

    The Rough In - Social Media For Groomers

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 26, 2021 69:37


    Happy Halloween!  This episode is about the use of social media and some do's and don't do's when applying this useful tool to your personal development or business.

    The Rough In - When things go wrong

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 18, 2021 64:50


    Jon and Kate discuss the importance of obtaining liability insurance and consulting with a lawyer in the event of an accident, either with a dog, an owner, or employee.

    The Rough In - Ask Us Anything part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 11, 2021 68:25


    In the episode Jon and Kate answer more of your submitted questions.   A little person, a little professional, something for everyone. 

    The Rough In - Trim a Good Foot

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 4, 2021 66:30


    After taking a 2 week break, Kate and Jon reconnect to discuss how to trim a foot to perfection.  

    The Rough In - Hershey Signout

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 15, 2021 54:21


    The signout post after an expo weekend is as customary and traditional as the chocolate martini!  In this episode, we recap our Hershey weekend experience and talk about our thoughts and observations.

    The Rough In - When to Fire a Client

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2021 59:09


    This week Kate and Jon discuss a few scenarios when it might be time to let a client go and how to do it professionally. 

    The Rough In - Differing Schools of Thought

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2021 71:39


    This week we talk about areas where there is controversy, differing opinions, and perhaps no clear guidelines as to how to handle a particular groom or problem.   Removing ear hair, expressing anal glands, shaving double coats and such are a few topics that are covered. 

    The Rough In - All About Faces

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 23, 2021 55:15


    This week, Jon and Kate discuss tips and tricks on how to groom faces in a way that will get them looking good and noticed. Want to save 10% on Jess Rona's "The Many Faces of JRG Course"  Go to https://www.jessronacourses.com/themanyfacesofjrg and type in the code JRGFACES10 when you check out!

    The Rough In - How to charge your worth

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 9, 2021 54:19


    This week, Kate and Jon the monetary side of grooming, more specifically, about how to set a price for your grooms. 

    The Rough In - How to Be a Master Groomer

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 19, 2021 65:29


    This week, Jon and Kate go over the steps necessary to become a master groomer. 

    The Rough In - Ask Us Anything

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 28, 2021 64:01


    This week, Jon and Kate answer your questions sent into us.  Anything goes there was a little bit of everything.   Grooming questions, medical questions, stuff about our likes and dislikes, a true variety! 

    The Rough In - COVID Dogs

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 21, 2021 61:33


    Jon and Kate discuss "COVID dogs" and how dogs 2 years old or less are used to the isolation that the pandemic brought.  But now their worlds are about to be turned upside down while our worlds  are returning to normal.   Some other miscellaneous bantering towards the end including discussion of Juneteenth.

    The Rough In - Kate's favorite thing pt 3 w/ Mackensie Murphy

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 14, 2021 83:43


    This week, world renowned groomer Mackensie Murphy joins us to talk about different types of shears and their purpose.To help support the fellow groomer mentioned at the end of the episode, please purchase something at their website here: https://sales.angelasgrooming.us/?fbclid=IwAR293RhkrPy7m109HxFxemXqQOMRghmqTDTTCtKyRlJfBt355so4umDau3g

    The Rough In - So You Wanna Be a Groomer?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 31, 2021 68:09


    This week, Kate and Jon discuss some of the ways to become a groomer.   Whether you choose a school, internship, or going to a "big box" store, one thing is for sure.   Being comfortable with the basics will make you a strong groomer.  Some preventative health topics are also touched on.   

    The Rough In - When To Say No

    Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2021 70:53


    This week Kate and Jon discuss a number of different reasons why you would turn down a groom.  We look at this from the dog's perspective, the client's perspective, and your perspective. 

    The Rough In - Grooming Puppies

    Play Episode Listen Later May 10, 2021 66:42


    This week, Kate and Jon discuss puppies!  We focus on the challenges associated when grooming this population and some tips for successfully introducing puppies to a lifetime of grooming. 

    The Rough In - Dating Around Your Job

    Play Episode Listen Later May 3, 2021 79:26


    This week, Kate and Jon are talking about the challenges and misconceptions that come with dating a groomer.  

    The Rough In - Bullying

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2021 49:28


    Jon and Kate discuss bullying and why it's not okay.To support the person mentioned in the podcast please go to this link: https://gofund.me/85e86e57

    The Rough In - Kate's favorite things part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 19, 2021 63:10


    Kate and Jon discuss more items and tools in the shop: shampoos, dryers, grooming tables, and such.  There is brief discussion on the increasing risk of colon cancer in younger age brackets.  We also introduce our first "mystery sound" contest this episode.  Can you guess what this popular grooming sound is?  Be the first to identify it and post it on the ad for this episode to win a prize! 

    The Rough In - Something Completely Different

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 12, 2021 75:16


    This week's episode is completely unscripted, unplanned, and different from the typical format.  Jon and Kate compare and contrast each others profession, what's the same and what's different.  Horror stories, funny stories, and just general experience are shared which shows us just how similar we all are. Please note some of the content discussed in this episode may not be suitable for young listeners (i.e. some swearing, talk of blood, death, and dildos).

    The Rough In - COVID vaccines & Building Breeder Relationships

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2021 65:38


    In this episode Jon, answers some questions about the COVID vaccines.  Kate then tells a story about what not to do if you're looking to keep a pure bred dog and how to build a relationship w/ a breeder if getting a show dog is on your radar. 

    The Rough In - Competition Hacks

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2021 64:23


    This week Kate and Jon talk about how in person grooming competitions are making a return and ways to prepare and lower anxiety when competing. 

    The Rough In - Kate's Favorite Things

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2021 67:31


    This week, Jon and Kate talk about some of the tools, odds, and ends around the shop  and why they are some of her "go to" items she uses and why. The Continental Pet Company specializes in unique and fun products for all levels of groomers.   From unique shear designs and super cute leggings, to bright biothane loops, leads and collars, there is definitely something for everyone at CPC.  Check them out at https://www.continentalpetcompany.com.  Save 10% with the promo code "theroughin"!

    The Rough In - Grooming Elderly Dogs

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2021 80:36


    Jon and Kate discuss some thiings to consider when grooming elderly dogs.  Arthritis, fragile skin, heart disease, cognitive issues, sensory deficits are some of the many things that many change the approach to the groom.The Continental Pet Company specializes in unique and fun products for all levels of groomers.   From unique shear designs and super cute leggings, to bright biothane loops, leads and collars, there is definitely something for everyone at CPC.  Check them out at https://www.continentalpetcompany.com.  Save 10% with the promo code "theroughin"!

    The Rough In - Groomer Health II w/ Jodi Murphy

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 22, 2021 81:48


    Jodi Murphy is a National Certified Master Groomer bringing education in the form of seminars, educational workshops and a broad array of online educational videos.  Jodi's videos are utilized by groomers to perfect their skills and also by grooming schools around the globe.  Jodi has authored the most sought after grooming book, "Dog Grooming Simplified", which complements her video series.  Jodi offers a wide range of products for groomers including her popular apparel line which she designed and manufactures in New York City.  She has a worldwide presence in the grooming industry and has recently launched an online distance learning program.  To learn more, check our her website at https://www.jodimurphy.netThe Continental Pet Company specializes in unique and fun products for all levels of groomers.   From unique shear designs and super cute leggings, to bright biothane loops, leads and collars, there is definitely something for everyone at CPC.  Check them out at https://www.continentalpetcompany.com.  Save 10% with the promo code "theroughin"!

    The Rough In - When to Say When

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2021 59:00


    This week, Kate and Jon discuss instances when the best decision may not be to groom.  The Continental Pet Company specializes in unique and fun products for all levels of groomers.   From unique shear designs and super cute leggings, to bright biothane loops, leads and collars, there is definitely something for everyone at CPC.  Check them out at https://www.continentalpetcompany.com.  Save 10% with the promo code "theroughin"!

    The Rough In - Groomer Health: Weight Management

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2021 60:11


    This week Dr. Jon Polak and Master Groomer Katelyn Peterman candidly and with sensitivity have a conversation as to why it might be so difficult to lose weight and offer some tips to help you lose weight, should you choose to make losing weight a goal.  Discussing the impact of excess weight on the dogs you groom are also discussed.   If you are looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently, you have to check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about their software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.  Try it free for 14 days!

    The Rough In - Midwest Grooming w/ Sierra Elbert & Mackensie Murphy

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 1, 2021 97:36


    Sierra Elbert wears many hats, including wife, mother, pet owner, entrepreneur of a board and groom, dog groomer, and educator. Her family includes Cory, her husband, Grace, her daughter, Aspen, a rough-coated Collie, and Sterling, a Dandie Dinmont Terrier. Elbert is a second-generation groomer. Although she learned her trade from her mother, Elbert earned her International Certified Pet Groomer (ICPG) certification and Dermatech Specialist (PDS) recognized by the International Society of Canine Cosmetology (ISCC). Sierra is the instructor for the Professional Dog Grooming program and coordinates seminars for existing groomers at Iowa Lakes Community College. Mackensie Murphy has been a member of GroomTeam USA for seven consecutive years. Over the past six years, she has ranked among the top 3 competitive groomers in the country boasting multiple Best in Show and Best All Around competitor awards. She is also an impressive 6-time winner of the prestigious Liz Paul Memorial best scissored poodle Award and has been featured on multiple covers of Groomer to Groomer magazine and other industry publications. She has spent the last several years educating groomers all over the globe with seminars and private lessons and recently began judging international. Mackensie has earned her way onto three consecutive GroomTeam USA travel teams. In 2015 she took an American cocker spaniel to Italy with the team where they brought home a silver medal. In 2017 in Belgium with the same breed and a dream team, she placed 1st overall in sporting out of 22 countries and assisted the team in bringing home the gold medal. May of 2020 Mackensie was planning to travel with the same team to the south of France where she would have represented USA with an American cocker, but will be rescheduled due to the COVID-19 virus.Contact info for Sierra's 8 week grooming course & Mackensie's 6 advanced grooming classes:https://iowalakes.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassListing.ClassListingDisplay&int_category_id=8&int_sub_category_id=92&int_catalog_id=selbert@iowalakes.edu 712-852-5268Barkley HQIf you are looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently, you have to check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about their software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.  Try it free for 14 days!

    The Rough In - Client Education

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 25, 2021 40:06


    This week, Kate and Jon discuss the importance of educating your client.  Regularly educating your client can improve the health of the dog, improve your work flow over the long haul, and even be a source of additional income.  Some additional remarks on the effects of antibiotics on birth control are mentioned at the very end. If you are looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently, you have to check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about their software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.  Try it free for 14 days!

    The Rough In - Coat Types

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2021 66:32


    This week, Jon and Kate break down the different dog coat types (drop coats, short coats, double coats, long & silky, etc).  Approaches  as well as challenges to each of these coat types while grooming are also discussed.If you are looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently, you have to check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about their software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.  Try it free for 14 days!

    The Rough In - Welcome Back!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 11, 2021 43:08


    The Rough In is a podcast that is devoted to dog groomers, their craft, and their health hosted by Dr. Jon Polak, an internal medicine physician and national certified master groomer, Katelyn Peterman.  After bantering about the holiday break (and Half-Life Alyx on VR), Kate and Jon return kicking off a new and season reflecting on the accomplishments made in season 1.  Future goals and plans for the upcoming year are then discussed.  Happy new year!If you are looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently, you have to check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about their software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.  Try it free for 14 days!

    The Rough In - Christmas special with Nadia Bongelli & Bryanna Fretz

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 21, 2020 114:52


    Prior guests Nadia Bongelli and Bryanna Fretz join Jon and Kate for their last episode of 2020. Looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently?  Check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about a software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.

    The Rough In - The Doodle Problem

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 14, 2020 52:08


    This week, Dr. Jon Polak and Master Groomer Katelyn Peterman discuss Doodles this week and the misinformation surrounding them as well as their common health problems.  Ethical issues are also covered.Looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently?  Check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about a software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.

    The Rough In - Prep Work

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 7, 2020 57:03


    Dr. Jon Polak and Master Groomer Katelyn Peterman discuss just how important the prep work portion of the groom is and how it sets up the cut.  A strong routine on the front end raises the bar, creating an incredible haircut.Looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently?  Check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about a software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.

    The Rough In w/ Emily Landers - The Science of Wire Coats

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2020 85:22


    Emily Landers is an open-level competitive, award-winning Nationally Certified Master Groomer who has been grooming for over 14 years.  She specializes in hand stripping, carding, hand scissoring, correct breed profiles, stylized pet trims, coloring, as well as cat grooming.  She also teaches grooming and is a regular speaker.  She is a brand ambassador for Andis grooming and also competes as an AKC handler.  https://www.facebook.com/emily.dortchLooking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently?  Check out https://barkleyhq.com to learn about a software program that can increase your efficiency and revenue.

    The Rough In - Compassion Fatigue

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2020 77:40


    Jon and Katelyn discuss compassion fatigue and other symptoms of burnout and some ways to manage them.  A recent study showing how walking dogs was shown to increase your chances of getting COVID-19 is also briefly talked about as well as a listener's question on maintenance of clippers.Looking for a new way to manage your business more efficiently?  Check out https://barkleyhq.com

    The Rough In - Pure bred versus well bred

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 16, 2020 59:57


    Jon Polak and Katelyn Peterman discuss pure bred dogs vs well bred dogs.  What's the difference?  Just because a dog is a pure bred does not mean it has all of the physical and emotional attributes that make it a responsibly bred dog.

    The Rough In - Thinking about competing

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 9, 2020 68:59


    This week, we talk about the in's and out's of grooming competitions.  We cover what to expect in a competition both virtually during the pandemic and in person once we're past it and some things to think about if you are thinking about jumping into the realm of competition.  We also address a listener's question on raising grooming prices towards the end of the episode.

    The Rough In - Masters series - The breed profile

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 2, 2020 52:19


    This week Dr. Jon Polak and master groomer Katelyn Peterman kick off the "Masters series" which will be topics directed towards the more experienced groomer or those who are looking to raise the bar in their grooming.  This episode is on the breed profile.  Breed profile is the most important attribute of any breed standard trim.  In this episode we discuss ways to get you from good to gold.

    The Rough In - Your Mental Health

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 26, 2020 68:32


    October is Depression and Mental Health Awareness Month.  Certainly our mental health can be challenged any time of year but this can be more so around the holiday season and amidst a  unprecedented pandemic.  This week, Jon and Katelyn discuss the topics of depression and anxiety along with ways to manage them with the upcoming holiday season where groomers can find themselves busiest. 

    The Rough In - Groomer efficiency

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 19, 2020 52:27


    This week, hosts Dr. Jon Polak and master groomer Katelyn Peterman discuss ways for the groomer to become more efficient and faster in the shop.

    The Rough In - Groomer Health

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 12, 2020 78:40


    This week, Dr. Jon Polak and master groomer Katelyn Peterman cover aspects of the groomer's health focusing on a few occupational hazards.  Among them are carpal tunnel, shoulder and elbow pain, and dog bites.  A lot of attention is put towards Groomer lung and the potentially serious risks associated with this disease.

    The Rough In with guest Helen Schaefer

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2020 83:05


    National Certified Master Groomer, Helen Schaefer has been grooming for nearly 15 years, and competing for 7.  Over this span of time she has done everything from Housecall and Corporate to Mobile Grooming. She is the former owner of the award winning The Groom Studio, whose slogan, "Where every dog is a work of Art" has become Helen's personal Mantra, and what she hopes to pass on through teaching. She is a multiple Internationally award winning and Nationally ranked groomer.  We discuss the toxic work environment.

    The Rough In - Dematting Part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 28, 2020 43:09


    Hosts Jon Polak and Katelyn Peterman continue the discussion of dematting from last week with some tips for the upcoming holiday season.

    The Rough In - Dematting Part 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 21, 2020 59:10


    Hosts Dr. Jon Polak and master groomer Katelyn Peterman discuss issues that arise with matting as well as suggest some strategies to set yourself up for success with the approaching holiday season.

    The Rough In with guest Nadia Bongelli

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 14, 2020 64:29


    Nadia Bongelli is the head groomer at Doggieland North Toronto, with 10 years of professional grooming experience under her belt. She has been competing for five years internationally and has won such awards as Barkleigh Honors “Up and Coming Groomer of the Year” and Intergroom's “Rising Star of the Year”. She has finished #1 Canadian groomer two years in a row and has collected several Best in Show awards. Nadia has found her passion for educating and has hosted several large events, been a speaker at industry trade shows, and enjoys giving private hands-on lessons. She is currently owned by her Poodles, Spaniels and Bedlingtons and wouldn't have it any other way. 

    The Rough In - Lymph nodes and also COVID-19

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 7, 2020 57:31


    Join hosts Dr. Jon Polak and master dog groomer Katelyn Peterman as Kate discusses her recent discovery of enlarged lymph nodes during one of her recent grooms.  COVID-19 is also discussed, clarifying some often misunderstood aspects as well as health to keep yourself healthy during this unprecedented pandemic.

    The Rough In - Client Communication

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 31, 2020 62:29


    Hosts Dr. Jon Polak and master dog groomer Katelyn Peterman discuss the pitfalls of client communication and strategies to improve it. 

    The Rough In with guest Bryanna Fretz

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 24, 2020 58:36


    Bryanna Fretz is a professional dog groomer from Ontario, Canada where she has her own successful home business.  She is the recipient of multiple awards among them being the 2019 Intergroom Rising Star Best in Groom and is a 2019 nominee of the Barkleigh's Up and Coming Groomer of the year.  We discuss her home business and correctional grooming.  The Rough In podcast starts now with your hosts Dr. Jon Polak and master groomer Katelyn Peterman.

    The Rough In Pilot - Introduction

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 16, 2020 13:28


    Internal medicine physician Jon Polak and master dog groomer Katelyn Peterman launch their new podcast "The Rough In" a podcast about dog grooming, how to start and grow your own business, and interestingly some of the parallels that exist between the careers of medicine and grooming.     While brief, this episode will discuss our goals of the podcast and what it means to be a master groomer.  The Rough In podcast starts now. 

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