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The show opens with a lighthearted fight over whether Shedeur Sanders' interception in the Duck Hunt segment "counts," complete with producer Owen threatening to sabotage the bit if Ken pushes it through. From there they pivot to Sanders' rough practice day (Zac Jackson's report vs. the QB tracker numbers), the value of joint-practice competition citing Jared Verse and Spencer Rattler/Fano battles, and a broader worry that the Browns' roster is too thin behind the starters after a bad third quarter Saturday. Ken and Lima close by laying out their realistic timeline for when Shedeur actually takes over at QB — landing on Week 3 as the likely target — while noting Deshaun Watson making it through 17 games would be "the all-time stunner."
Ken lays out his one real argument for wanting Deshaun Watson to play well tomorrow: not to vindicate Watson himself, but because it would prove the offensive line, receiving corps, and Todd Monken's coaching are legitimately improved heading into the future. He acknowledges most former players and media members he's hearing from want Shedeur Sanders to start, and admits he'd lean that way too if the decision were purely emotional, but insists Watson's track record of costing people their jobs, legacies, and playoff chances means he'd still franchise tag or move on from him even in a best-case scenario. The segment also touches on a Duck Hunt and Mario Kart tangent, Zac Jackson's audio on Sanders' persistent lack of spiral, and the show debating whether "coming in hot" callers can meaningfully compare Browns quarterbacks to old Nintendo games.
Ken and Anthony debate Todd Monken's comment that the Shedeur Sanders/Deshaun Watson QB competition isn't "that big a deal," with Ken arguing it's actually good for Sanders given how the rotation has played out. They dig into rep splits, Zac Jackson's report that Watson has moved the ball better in team drills while Sanders looked sharper in stationary work, and Brian Baldinger's take that Monken wants the quarterbacks to decide it for him. The guys preview the Bears preseason opener and next week's joint practice as bigger tells than the game itself, predicting a real decision won't come until after the Buffalo game on the 24th.
Zac Jackson of The Athletic joins Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to break down Todd Monken's confusing QB messaging, calling the whole situation "madness" but predicting Deshaun Watson starts the opener since he needs preseason reps after two years away. Jackson pushes back on trade speculation, clarifies Dillon Gabriel was an organizational pick (not Kevin Stefanski's) and remains firmly the No. 3 quarterback, and predicts multiple QBs will start games this season given the team's overall lack of depth. He also shares his gut read that Shedeur won't start Week 1 but will ultimately start the most games in 2026, and the group closes reminiscing about chaotic joint-practice moments from years past, including Troy Hill's fight with Sterling Shepard.
Ken Carman and Anthony Lima dig deeper into Zac Jackson's claim that Dillon Gabriel was an organizational pick rather than Kevin Stefanski's, questioning why Andrew Berry would spend a top-100 pick on a player immediately labeled a career backup on a three-win team. They debate whether that framing will haunt Berry if Gabriel never develops, drawing a parallel to the pressure on Spencer Fano and the front office's uneven draft history at wide receiver and offensive line. The two also predict the Browns will use at least three quarterbacks this season, referencing the Myles Garrett trade as evidence the front office already knows this year isn't a real Super Bowl window.
Anthony Lima and Ken Carman talk with Zach Jackson from The Athletic about the ongoing quarterback battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They analyze Todd Monken's messaging and the implications of Dylan Gabriel being an organizational draft pick. 01:50 - NBA Schedule Release 04:33 - Cavs Malaise and WNBA 07:18 - Musical Instrument Debate 14:05 - Zac Jackson Interview 17:40 - Monken's QB Messaging 20:21 - Evaluating Wide Receivers 22:00 - Dillon Gabriel's Status 27:37 - Sanders vs Watson 30:14 - Joint Practice Memories 35:44 - Drafting Career Backups
Ken Carman fires back at online criticism accusing him of trolling or pushing an "anybody but Shedeur" agenda, pointing out that his track record actually skews pro-Shedeur and arguing he'd have more credibility to lose than gain by floating Dillon Gabriel as a legitimate option. He and Anthony go back and forth on whether it's fair to judge the quarterback competition this early, with Ken maintaining he's simply relaying what beat reporters like Zac Jackson, Daryl Ruiter, Scott Petrak, and Mary Kay Cabot have all independently described as a mediocre room. A caller named Deshawn challenges the media's ability to evaluate practice reps without pads, sparking a heated exchange with Ken about whether reporters can fairly assess the offensive line or Todd Monken's coaching this early in install. The segment also touches on Deion Sanders' presence at Browns training camp to support his son, with Ken and Anthony agreeing there was nothing wrong with him being there as a fellow head coach.
Ken Carman and Anthony Lima argue Jared Verse is the ideal candidate to become the Browns' new vocal leader, contrasting his outspoken style (which reportedly drew pushback in Los Angeles) with Myles Garrett's quieter, more cynical presence during his final years in Cleveland. They frame this year as less about wins and more about rebuilding goodwill with the fanbase, and argue Verse could be a "safe" jersey to buy alongside Carson Schwesinger, Grant Delpit, and Denzel Ward. The conversation shifts into more quarterback debate, with Ken again defending his stance that Dillon Gabriel deserves an open mind given how uniformly reporters like Zac Jackson, Daryl Ruiter, and Scott Petrak have described the quarterback room as underwhelming. Ken pushes back on Shedeur fans who think he should be named the starter outright, noting he's personally only seen three of Deshaun Watson's practice throws and has to go off of others' reporting.
Ken Carman and Anthony Lima debate whether Todd Monken will lean toward Deshaun Watson or Shedeur Sanders if the Browns' quarterback competition stays muddled through camp, with Ken arguing a veteran coach will default to the veteran quarterback unless Watson is completely inept. Tony pushes back hard, questioning how the tie could go to Watson given how he looked the last time he played, but Ken maintains that preseason snaps against real opponents (starting with the Bears in 12 days) will matter more than camp buzz or reporter hearsay. The segment opens with Ken recapping a nerve-wracking day chaperoning kids at training camp, where Shedeur drew the biggest crowd reaction and Dillon Gabriel earned praise for stopping to sign autographs. They also touch on Zac Jackson's reporting that the whole quarterback room, Shedeur especially, has shown uneven arm strength and consistency early in camp.
Anthony Lima and Nick Pedone evaluate the Browns' decision to extend Denzel Ward during a complex rebuilding phase. They explore the quarterback battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders while reviewing LeBron James' recent decision regarding a Cleveland return. 02:13 - Denzel Ward Extension Debate 06:22 - Browns Rebuilding Timeline Surprise 11:20 - Watson vs Sanders QB Battle 17:10 - LeBron's Cleveland Decision Fallout 24:00 - Monken's Coaching Style Tone 33:55 - Falcons News Dylan Gabriel 38:55 - Training Camp Fight Expectations
Anthony Lima and Nick Pedone react to Denzel Ward becoming the highest-paid cornerback in NFL history and the fallout of LeBron James choosing the 76ers. Zac Jackson joins to explain why he views the Ward move as a continuation of a spending-first culture, while Chris Fedor provides details on a secret meeting between the Cavaliers and James in Akron. They also break down the brewing training camp quarterback battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. 01:50 - Denzel Ward Extension 06:02 - Rival Quarterback Evaluation 11:07 - Zac Jackson Analysis 17:43 - Reacting To LeBron James 25:59 - Sixers Recruiting LeBron 34:13 - Success Of Rich Paul 41:25 - Browns QB Battle Begins 51:10 - Watson Performance History 59:12 - Baker Mayfield Reunion Debate 01:06:11 - Deshaun Trade Fallout 01:12:43 - Sports Update: Guardians Split 01:23:21 - Zac Jackson Interview 01:32:20 - Training Camp Reps 01:42:30 - Monken vs Stefanski Style 01:53:00 - Falcons Quarterback News 02:02:41 - Chris Fedor Interview 02:16:55 - Mario Hezonja Status 02:25:48 - Rich Paul Podcast Discussion 02:37:23 - Preseason Decision Timeline 02:45:34 - Tony Romo OVI Footage
Zac Jackson joins Lima and Nick Pedone to unpack his "same old Browns" take on the Denzel Ward extension, explaining he expected the team to keep tearing down toward next year's quarterback draft rather than commit long-term money to a 29-year-old cornerback. Jackson argues Ward leveraged the Myles Garrett situation perfectly to force a pay-or-trade decision, and while he still believes the defense can be good under new coordinator Mike Rutenberg and rookie Jared Verse, he's skeptical it can be a truly elite unit without Garrett. On the quarterback competition, Jackson says he's not optimistic about Deshaun Watson regaining anything close to his old form and predicts the real tell of who's winning will be whether one quarterback starts pulling ahead in first-team reps rather than any grainy practice video.
Lima and Nick Pedone continue their reaction to Zac Jackson's take, debating whether the Browns' Denzel Ward extension undercuts a tanking strategy, with Lima arguing there's no real organizational upside to starting Deshaun Watson over Shedeur Sanders in 2026 beyond helping Todd Monken's own track record as a first-year head coach. They revisit Watson's disastrous 2024 season as the clearest evidence he's not the answer, and preview how Monken's hands-on, demanding coaching style will contrast sharply with Kevin Stefanski's approach once camp opens. A caller, Marcus from Aurora, credits Andrew Berry for last year's under-the-radar tank job and asks how fans would react if the Browns start hot with Watson at quarterback, prompting Lima to argue Cleveland's win streak last year was fueled by Myles Garrett and Rocket Sanders rather than good quarterback play.
Ken and Anthony break down Zac Jackson's claim that there's zero real trade market for Shedeur Sanders and no actual calls coming in, despite all the fan noise online. They debate whether Shedeur would ever demand a trade if Deshaun Watson wins the starting job, with Ken insisting fans care way more about this than teams actually do. The two also weigh whether a Jets deal or a surprise Brennan Sorsby pickup would shake up the quarterback math in Cleveland at all.
Zac Jackson from The Athletic joins the show and lands firmly on the side of the Browns making a bid for Brendan Sorsby, calling it near malpractice to pass on a redshirt quarterback prospect given the team's history of running toward red flags and buying low on talent. Zac pegs a third round pick as the serious offer threshold, with a fourth round bid being the "we're interested but not desperate" move, and flatly dismisses the idea that adding Sorsby would muddy the Watson versus Shedeur Sanders competition since Sorsby would be a pure developmental project with no bearing on this year's starter. On Watson specifically, Zac is blunt, saying spring practice only confirmed what everyone already knew: he's the same inconsistent, inaccurate quarterback he's been and there's no reason for a team focused on the future to play him. Zac also sees a door open for LeBron to return to Cleveland, arguing there's no truly ideal landing spot for him right now and that a mix of role, sentimentality, and winning opportunity could make Cleveland a real option.
Zac Jackson joins Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to explain why it would be "malpractice" for the Browns to ignore Brendan Sorsby. They debate the impact of Sorsby's character issues and the crowded Cleveland quarterback room. The discussion also touches on rumors about LeBron James' potential return to Northeast Ohio and the growth of soccer in the United States. 01:50 - Zac Jackson Interview 05:24 - Sorsby Draft Evaluation 09:24 - Browns Quarterback Room 12:25 - Todd Monken Offense 17:15 - LeBron Retirement Rumors 20:50 - College Prospect Projections 24:12 - Gambling Red Flags 33:15 - Alexi Lalas Criticism 38:10 - NBA Career Legacies
Featuring Daniel Oyefusi, Mary Kay Cabot, Levi Weaver, Wayne Randazzo, Sam Monson, and Zac Jackson.
Featuring Daniel Oyefusi, Mary Kay Cabot, Levi Weaver, Wayne Randazzo, Sam Monson, and Zac Jackson.
Featuring Daniel Oyefusi, Mary Kay Cabot, Levi Weaver, Wayne Randazzo, Sam Monson, and Zac Jackson.
Nick and Jonathan are joined by Zac Jackson of The Athletic. Also, they break down the Browns QB competition, and they discuss the Guardians besting the Yankees.
Todd Monken faces a difficult decision regarding the Cleveland Browns' starting quarterback as both Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders struggle during OTAs. Zac Jackson of The Athletic provides insight into the competition, while Nick Wilson and Jonathan Peterlin's discussion explores if the team's defensive talent can compensate for offensive inconsistencies. The conversation also touches on the Cleveland Guardians and the possibility of decimal jersey numbers. 01:02 - Browns QB Competition Analysis 03:45 - Monken's Quarterback Decision Timeline 06:03 - Browns Roster and Defensive Talent 12:23 - Shifting Narratives on Deshaun Watson 16:11 - Jersey Numbers and Guardians Update
Zac Jackson of The Athletic joins Afternoon Drive on The Fan. He talks about the fallout of the Myles Garrett trade, why it's an endorsement of Andrew Berry, what he's seen from the Browns quarterbacks at OTAs, and more.
Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the fallout from the Cleveland Browns trading Myles Garrett to the Rams for Jared Verse and future draft picks. Guest Zach Jackson joins to discuss the management of the roster under Andrew Berry and reveals that Garrett might still be in Cleveland if Jim Schwartz had become head coach. They also evaluate the future of the quarterback position and the potential for upcoming trades involving Denzel Ward. 02:23 - Schwartz and Monken Dynamics 06:54 - Arch Manning Draft Scenarios 11:09 - Fan Frustration and Accountability 16:39 - Zach Jackson Joins Show 22:53 - The Schwartz-Garrett Revelation 31:11 - Brendan Sorsby Supplemental Draft 35:24 - Garrett vs Kevin Stefanski 40:12 - Denzel Ward Future Trade
Jim Schwartz breaks his silence on the Ryan Ripken show and delivers exactly the answer everyone already knew was coming, saying he was not going to stay on as defensive coordinator after getting passed over for the head coaching job because a forced marriage never works and players would have been more loyal to him than to Todd Monken. Ken and Lima both agree the reasoning is completely understandable and that they said the same thing the minute Monken was hired, but Ken's concern is not about the past, it is about what happens if Schwartz keeps popping up in the media during a five win season and starts undermining Monken before he ever gets a fair shot. The bigger question hangs over the whole segment, with Lima asking Ken directly whether the clock is already ticking on Todd Monken and Ken saying yes without hesitation, which sets up the next conversation with Zac Jackson about just how much runway this coaching staff actually has.
Ken and Lima dig into the uncomfortable question of what success even looks like this year without Myles Garrett, with Ken admitting he is going to empty the chamber of excuses for Todd Monken the way he did for Kevin Stefanski, which he knows Lima is going to hold against him. A caller named Nick cuts through everything and lands the hardest punch of the segment, asking at what point Browns fans stop lowering their expectations every single year and start demanding more, especially from a front office that is about to charge two million dollars for PSLs in a new stadium while fielding a five win team. Ken pushes back on the negligence charge about not shopping the Myles trade, promising to address it with Zac Jackson at 7:22, but the Arch Manning scenario is what really takes over the end of the segment with Ken making the uncomfortable but honest case that if the Browns land the number one pick, the Manning family is going to have more say over who coaches this team than anyone wants to admit.
Zac Jackson from The Athletic gives the Myles Garrett trade his overall approval while validating the process that led to it, but the moment that stops everything is his flat declaration that if Jim Schwartz had been hired as head coach, Garrett is still a Cleveland Brown heading into year ten. The Browns get credit for making a sound long-term decision, with Jackson framing the rebuild timeline around the back half of 2027 and 2028 rather than anything happening this season, and Andrew Barry gets a strong endorsement for his willingness to embrace where the franchise actually is rather than pretending otherwise. The Brendan Sorsby supplemental draft question gets a smart answer too, with Jackson pointing out that in a silent auction nobody tips their hand, which means anything anyone says publicly about him should be taken with a full shaker of salt.
Nick and Jonathan are joined by Brent Sobleski of Bleacher Report. Also, they react to Zac Jackson's complete mock draft for the Browns, and they discuss Ohio State vendors offering to round up to go to the NIL fund.
Nick and Jonathan analyze Brent Sobleski's comments on the Browns' potential draft trades and the evaluation of quarterback Ty Simpson. They also examine Zac Jackson's mock draft and discuss the betting odds for Cleveland's first-round selection. 01:00 - Brent Sobleski Draft Recap 06:46 - Zac Jackson Mock Review 13:45 - Browns Draft Vegas Odds
Ken Carman and Anthony Lima discuss Zac Jackson's report on the Browns potentially trading down or drafting Carnell Tate. They also analyze Jimmy Haslam's comments on Deshaun Watson's injuries and the team's quarterback situation heading into the season.
Zac Jackson of the Athletic joins the show and drops a BOMB on what the Browns next move will be. Lima and Daryl also ask Jackson about the draft, Drew Allar and the Ohio State prospects
The Browns strike a deal with the Texans for right tackle Tytus Howard, filling a much-needed hole on the offensive line. The Athletic's Zac Jackson joins the show and drops a bomb on Lima and Daryl detailing the QB the Browns should target next.
Lima and Daryl react to Zac Jackson's prediction that the Browns are going to make a play for Anthony Richardson. Also, where else could the Browns upgrade at offensive line in the very near future.
Jeff and Andy talk about comments Zac Jackson made to the morning show about the Browns potentially trading for Anthony Richardson and they discuss the pros and cons of the veteran quarterback.
92.3 The Fan presents a selection of guest appearances and interviews during the past week from The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima, Baskin & Phelps, and The Afternoon Drive. Featuring Mary Kay Cabot, Todd McShay, Chad Reuter, Tyler Kepner, Zac Jackson, and Albert Breer.
92.3 The Fan presents a selection of guest appearances and interviews during the past week from The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima, Baskin & Phelps, and The Afternoon Drive. Featuring Mary Kay Cabot, Todd McShay, Chad Reuter, Tyler Kepner, Zac Jackson, and Albert Breer.
92.3 The Fan presents a selection of guest appearances and interviews during the past week from The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima, Baskin & Phelps, and The Afternoon Drive. Featuring Mary Kay Cabot, Todd McShay, Chad Reuter, Tyler Kepner, Zac Jackson, and Albert Breer.
Zac Jackson of The Athletic joins Afternoon Drive on The Fan. He talks about the Browns quarterback options this offseason, if they're going to be in the market for Tyler Linderbaum, veteran wide receivers that could be on the move, and more.
Nick and Jonathan react to their interview with Zac Jackson and give their thoughts on whether Malik Willis should be Plan A for the Browns in 2026.
Nick and Jonathan discuss Kyler Murray as an option for the Browns this offseason. Then, they're joined by Zac Jackson of The Athletic, and they debate if Malik Willis should be Plan A for the Browns.
Nick and Jonathan react to Zac Jackson's comments about Malik Willis and Anthony Richardson. Also, they talk about the NFLPA report cards that are being leaked.
Paul is joined by his fellow AFC North beat writers from The Athletic Jeff Zrebiec, Zac Jackson and Mike DeFabo to discuss the wild two months of change in the division.00:00 Theme song and intro04:22 Surprise over coaching changes?11:15 Bengals coaching staff stays14:06 AFC North last season18:00 Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh25:38 Lamar Jackson and Baltimore30:02 Joe Burrow and Cincinnati33:17 Ranking the AFC North today44:07 MACtion!Watch and subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheGrowlerPodcastThe Growler on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-growler/id1733476604The Growler on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/70iJjqgPQrVzQ2pdOwVvDYLinks to socials, Growl Pal shirts, YouTube, podcast platforms and more: www.thegrowlerpodcast.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Zac Jackson joined Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to break down the latest news surrounding the Browns' search for a new head coach, whether or not Nate Scheelhaase truly has the pedigree of a head coach, and if Jim Schwartz is the answer for the vacancy. He shared his thoughts on the rumors surrounding how the Browns conduct their searches, why the Bills seem to be interviewing all of the same candidates, and who is the driving force behind the eventual hire.
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Ken and Anthony share their takeaways from their conversation with Zac Jackson and discuss what a worst case scenario looks like for the Browns in their coaching search.
Zac Jackson joined Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to share the latest news with the Browns' coaching search, and how many people he thinks the team is looking at to fill the vacancy. He broke down why he doesn't think John Harbaugh would want to come to Cleveland, why he thinks Andrew Berry's job is safe, and how close the Browns are to being competitive.
92.3 The Fan presents a selection of interviews and guest appearances on The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima, Baskin & Phelps, and The Afternoon Drive during the past week. Featuring Mary Kay Cabot, Zac Jackson, Nick Kostos, Daryl Ruiter, Nick Shook, and Albert Breer.
Zac Jackson (The Athletic) joins Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to talk about the Cleveland Browns' 2-6 record, whether it is feasible for the Browns to trade star defensive end Myles Garrett, and what to make of Shedeur Sanders' current standing with the team.
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