The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima

Andrew Berry joins Daryl Ruiter and Anthony Lima to discuss the wide-open quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They analyze the impact of trading Miles Garrett, the rise of Jared Verse, and the gambling scandal involving Brendan Sorsby. They also evaluate Todd Monken's new offensive identity and the retirement of Joel Bitonio. 03:16 - Show Intro and Guest Lineup 11:43 - History of Quarterback Decisions 19:45 - Skepticism Over No Vet Days 31:30 - Red Panda Halftime Show Income 44:27 - Analyzing the Miles Garrett Trade 55:50 - Dueling Film Crews for QBs 01:06:31 - Fan Debate on Shedeur Sanders 01:19:02 - Sorsby Gambling Scandal and Ethics 01:32:02 - Anthony in Stow Defends Shedeur 01:37:15 - Rick Riccuiti on Training Camp 01:49:02 - Monken's Offense and Jared Verse 02:04:15 - Andrew Berry on QB Growth 02:11:15 - Deshaun Watson Contract Extension Talk 02:15:02 - Logic Behind Trading Miles Garrett 02:24:42 - Bitonio Retirement and Roster Voids 02:37:02 - Analyzing Sorsby and Finding Grace

Anthony Lima and Daryl Ruiter analyze the ongoing Cleveland quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders, and Dylan Gabriel. They discuss Todd Monken's coaching intensity and the potential for a Week 1 starter. Additionally, they reveal the surprisingly modest appearance fees for NBA halftime legend Red Panda. 02:12 - Watson Mechanics And Athleticism 04:44 - Monken Ranking The Quarterbacks 08:09 - Browns Quarterback Competition Update 12:25 - Historical Quarterback Battle Comparisons 17:27 - Kevin Stefanski Closure Debate 21:11 - Veterans Practice Attendance Policy 26:24 - Face Of The Franchise 35:23 - Red Panda Halftime Salary

Daryl Ruiter and Anthony Lima debate whether Shedeur Sanders should begin the season as the starting quarterback or develop behind Deshaun Watson. They analyze Todd Monken's coaching style and the unique pressure of having film crews follow the team's quarterbacks.

Daryl Ruiter and Anthony delve into the Cleveland Browns training camp, focusing on the quarterback duel between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They welcome analyst Coach Riz to break down the nuances of Todd Monken's new offensive system and the impressive performances of young receivers. The conversation also explores the defensive impact of Jared Verse and the high stakes of upcoming joint practices. 02:23 - World Cup Debate 07:31 - Shedeur Sanders Discussion 13:39 - Coach Riz Interview 20:31 - QB Competition Insights 25:32 - Todd Monken Offensive System 33:14 - Practice Observations Recap 38:18 - Joint Practice Importance

Andrew Berry joins to discuss the quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders, noting that long-term extensions remain possible based on performance. He explains the rationale behind the Miles Garrett trade and the excitement surrounding Jared Verse, while also offering a perspective on character evaluations and Brennan Soresby. 02:02 - Andrew Berry Interview 07:05 - Deshaun Watson's Future 10:27 - Miles Garrett Trade 14:46 - Jared Verse Impact 19:34 - Character and Grace 29:11 - Watson Extension Debate 39:12 - Brennan Soresby Controversy

Daryl and Lima break down the stark contrast between Todd Monken calling the Sorsby situation a slippery slope and Andrew Berry responding with compassion and a call for grace, raising real questions about whether the Browns could eventually take a shot on the embattled quarterback prospect. The guys debate whether Sorsby's gambling issues represent a pattern of bad decisions or a genuine addiction, and whether his path back runs through a big season at Texas Tech. One thing is clear: if Sorsby emerges as a Heisman candidate this fall, this conversation is far from over.

Daryl and Lima react to Andrew Berry's bombshell that a Deshaun Watson contract extension isn't off the table, breaking down exactly how well Watson would have to play to make that conversation even remotely realistic. Daryl sets the bar at top 10 quarterback play leading to a playoff run, then immediately acknowledges how improbable that sounds given Watson has played just 19 games in six years. The guys agree on one thing: even if Watson somehow resurrects his career elsewhere after Cleveland moves on, they're fine with it.

Browns GM Andrew Berry joins Daryl and Lima for a wide-ranging interview covering the QB competition, the Myles Garrett trade, Jared Verse's fit in Cleveland, and the young receiver trio that has the organization genuinely excited. Berry opens the door to a Deshaun Watson contract extension if he plays well, defends the Sorsby situation with a call for grace, and reveals he had no idea Miles showed up to voluntary Rams OTAs while skipping Cleveland's. He also offers a surprisingly warm take on Todd Monken, calling him authentically cool in a way that has already won over the locker room.

Daryl and Lima react to Lance Reisland's take and dig deeper into what separates this year's camp from last year's disaster, with Daryl pointing to the pre-snap complexity Monken is installing as the biggest change Cleveland fans haven't been able to see. Both quarterbacks have flashed, but Daryl's honest concern remains the inconsistency that keeps him from fully buying in on either guy heading into training camp. The Buffalo joint practice looms as the real barometer, just like the Vikings joint practice in 2024 foreshadowed exactly how bad that season was going to be.

Lance Reisland joins Daryl and Lima with his most detailed scouting report yet from OTAs and minicamp, breaking down why he'd start Deshaun Watson week one while making clear Shedeur has quietly become a much better practice player than he was a year ago. Riz raves about the young receiver trio of Denzel Boston, KC Concepcion, and Isaiah Bond, arguing Boston has legitimate number one receiver potential and that Harold Fannin forces defenses into impossible coverage decisions. He also breaks down why Monken's player-first offense is a complete departure from Stefanski's system, and why the 4-3 scheme is actually a better fit for Jared Verse than anything he ran in LA.

Daryl and Lima take calls from fired-up fans pushing back on Daryl's criticism of the social media circus surrounding both Browns quarterbacks, with callers split on whether the film crews are a harmless modern reality or a genuine distraction. Daryl makes his position crystal clear: he likes Shedeur personally, wants him to win the job, but believes anything that isn't purely football right now is a waste of a golden opportunity. With Coach Riz up next to break down who's actually winning the QB battle throw by throw, the stakes couldn't be higher.

Daryl and Lima bring in producer John to analyze the kickoff of the 2026 FIFA World Cup and question soccer's popularity in America. They also debate Sean Payton's legacy with the Denver Broncos and discuss the gambling controversy surrounding Brenden Sorsby at Texas Tech. Finally, the discussion shifts to roster moves for the Cleveland Guardians and upcoming local sports interviews. 01:36 - World Cup Kickoff Debate 03:56 - Sean Payton Extension Discussion 06:24 - Texas Tech And Guardians Updates

Daryl and Lima debate whether the 24/7 social media content machine surrounding both Browns quarterbacks is a sign of the times or a distraction, with callers firing back on both sides. The guys push back on the idea that Shedeur was set up to fail last year, arguing that unlike 2024's four-quarterback circus, he's getting a legitimate first-team shot this time around. Lima's bottom line: if Shedeur doesn't win this job, it's on Shedeur and nobody else.

Daryl and Lima fire back at Jonathan Peterlin after he called it "stupid" to suggest Shedeur Sanders might benefit from starting the season as a backup, with Lima defending his stance that starting Watson week one is the easiest and most likely path for the Browns. Lima breaks down why he has zero confidence Watson can return to form after playing just 19 games in six years, but also why throwing Shedeur into a messy situation too soon could do real damage to his career and trade value. It's a genuine split of opinion on the most important question facing the Browns heading into training camp.

Daryl and Lima finally have the answer to one of Cleveland sports radio's greatest mysteries: how much does Red Panda, the legendary NBA halftime unicycle bowl lady, actually get paid per appearance. The guys break down her $6,765 per-show fee, debate whether she's pulling in half a million annually across her full college and NBA tour, and compare her rate to Mutt's Gone Nuts and the Simon Says guy. It's the deep dive nobody asked for and everybody needed.

Lima and Daryl debate whether the Browns' QB competition is already decided in Monken's head, with Daryl believing someone is quietly in the lead heading into training camp. The guys break down why the Browns haven't had a true franchise quarterback since Baker Mayfield, leaving the face of the team to guys like Denzel Ward and the newly acquired Jared Verse. With Watson's baggage and Shedeur still proving himself, Todd Monken's only concern is who gives them the best chance to score, fans be damned.

Anthony Lima and Daryl Ruiter rank all three Browns quarterbacks from least to most stinky, and his verdict is brutal. Ken and Lima break down what Todd Monken's inability to name a starter really means, with Daryl cutting through the coach speak: neither guy has separated himself enough to earn the job. With Andrew Berry set to join at 9, the question looms whether Watson gets the Week 1 nod by default or if Shedeur Sanders can make a real push once the pads come on.

Author David Lee Morgan Jr. discusses his new book chronicling the rise of LeBron James from an Akron high school star to an NBA icon. He shares behind-the-scenes stories about the pivotal choice of St. Vincent-St. Mary and reflects on the unique media era of the early 2000s. 01:54 - Introducing David Lee Morgan Jr. 04:15 - High School Phenom Memories 06:06 - Choosing St. Vincent-St. Mary 09:28 - Writing The LeBron Phenomenon 15:09 - Potential Return to Cleveland

Ken and Lima analyze the Knicks' massive comeback against the Spurs before exploring the intense quarterback competition brewing at Browns minicamp. Joel Bitonio shares details on his decision to retire and his thoughts on the Hall of Fame, while Mary Kay Cabot joins to break down the performance of Deshaun Watson and the rookies. 02:33 - Knicks Epic Comeback 07:36 - Charles Barkley Quotes 13:45 - Deshaun Watson Performance 27:12 - Joel Bitonio Interview 38:55 - Hall Of Fame 48:40 - Shedeur Sanders' Approach 57:00 - Watson's Mental State 01:07:00 - Internal QB Competition 01:14:23 - Guardians Series Sweep 01:22:00 - NBA Playoff Logic 01:28:40 - Dividing The Media 01:37:46 - Mary Kay Cabot 01:48:50 - Brendan Sorsby Talk 01:55:14 - Quarterback Rep Distribution 02:03:50 - Bitonio's Browns Legacy 02:11:20 - Sympathy For Watson 02:19:36 - Andrew Berry Scouting 02:28:10 - General Manager Strategy 02:35:14 - Taylor Swift's Allegiances

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima welcome newly retired Browns legend Joel Bitonio to discuss his career and his decision to step away from the game. They also analyze the San Antonio Spurs' historic collapse against the Knicks and listen to Daryl Ruiter's scathing review of Deshaun Watson's performance at minicamp. 02:00 - Morning Show Intro 04:20 - Knicks Historic Comeback 07:41 - Barkley Rips Spurs 11:05 - Cavs Comparisons Made 14:10 - Browns Quarterback Situation 19:08 - Daryl Ruiter Analysis 27:40 - Joel Bitonio Interview 39:05 - Hall Of Fame 43:20 - Browns Future Outlook

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze Deshaun Watson's first press conference in 20 months and his hints about internal conversations regarding the starting quarterback role. They debate the competition between Watson and Shedeur Sanders, questioning if the veteran or the rookie should lead the offense if both struggle. The segment also covers the Cleveland Guardians losing their lead in the division and a wild comeback in the NBA Finals. 01:20 - Watson Press Conference Review 05:00 - Shedeur Sanders On Practice 08:15 - Starting Deshaun Or Shedeur 12:30 - Internal Conversations On Starting 19:15 - Watson Reinvents His Game 23:45 - Todd Monken Coaching Shedeur 31:00 - Guardians Slip From First 35:55 - NBA Finals Comeback Trends

Mary Kay Cabot joins the program to provide insights into the ongoing competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They analyze Todd Monken's offensive system, the challenges facing a young roster, and the leadership qualities required for the starting role. The discussion also touches on media interactions and the long-term outlook for the front office. 01:50 - Browns Quarterback Competition Debate 05:10 - Divisive Questions and Media Bias 08:45 - Cleveland Media Culture Analysis 13:45 - Mary Kay Cabot Joins 19:30 - Evaluating Monken's Young Offense 23:45 - Quarterback Leadership Styles Compared 27:45 - Todd Monken's Job Security 34:30 - Analyzing Watson's Recent Struggles 38:15 - Shedeur Sanders' Development Path

Ken and Anthony analyze Joel Bitonio's Hall of Fame prospects and how the Cleveland Browns' lack of success has hindered his legacy. They also delve into Deshaun Watson's first media appearance in 20 months and explore the narrative surrounding Taylor Swift's loyalty to the New York Knicks. 01:51 - Bitonio's Hall of Fame Case 04:59 - Browns' Losing Culture Consequences 08:22 - Deshaun Watson Media Silence 12:44 - Should Deshaun Watson Apologize? 18:37 - Andrew Berry vs Paul DePodesta 23:21 - Berry's Roster Building Strategy 34:00 - Taylor Swift's Knicks Fandom

Ken and Anthony react to Taylor Swift showing up courtside at Game 4 in full Knicks mode, just weeks after appearing at a Cavs playoff game with Travis Kelce, raising the question of whether she'll have to give up her Knicks fandom once they get married. The guys debate whether Travis should have shown up to return the favor, and chew over rumors that the two are planning to get married at MSG. Larry David going bonkers in the crowd and Timothee Chalamet ripping his shirt off in a mosh pit also get the full treatment.

Ken gets fired up after hearing Parker Brailsford is taking first-team reps at center, using it as the latest piece of evidence that Andrew Berry's drafts are trending up now that Paul DiBiase is out of the picture. Anthony pumps the brakes, reminding Ken that good drafts don't automatically translate to wins, pointing to the Jets and Saints as cautionary tales. Berry's Peter Schrager interview also draws mixed reactions, with Ken loving the vision but acknowledging the proof will have to come when the games actually count.

Ken and Anthony play Watson's first press conference comments in 20 months, including his response to getting cheered by some Browns fans when he was carted off with an injury, with Ken pushing back on the idea that it was widespread. The guys debate whether Watson owes Cleveland an apology, with a caller making the case that even a simple statement acknowledging the distraction could go a long way with the fan base. Ken also reflects on Joel Bitonio's legacy, arguing the Browns' years of dysfunction directly cost him a Hall of Fame case and possibly his final season.

Ken and Anthony react to Mary Kay's bombshell that Watson actually led the QB competition early on, debating whether Shedeur closing the gap is a good sign or just a product of Watson looking unplayable. Ken makes his most pointed argument yet that starting Shedeur by default would be doing him a disservice, reiterating that going from the veteran to the young guy is always easier than the reverse. Plus, Ken teases a potential Andrew Berry move that could make him one of the best GMs in Browns history if it comes to fruition.

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken and Anthony to break down the Browns' quarterback battle, revealing that while Deshaun Watson started minicamp with the early edge, Shedeur Sanders has worked his way back into contention over the past two weeks. Mary Kay offers a mild critique of Todd Monken for not naming a starter yet, arguing it would help the team rally behind one guy during the five-week summer break. She also dismisses the Todd Monken job security chatter following the Myles Garrett trade and addresses whether the Browns would consider Brendan Sorsby if he enters the supplemental draft.

Ken and Anthony play Shedeur Sanders' press conference clips back to back, including his dismissal of the QB competition framing and his fiery response to a reporter asking whether he'd work out with Deshaun Watson this offseason. Ken defends Shedeur's team-first answers while pushing back on the notion that the question was divisive, arguing Cleveland media has actually been far gentler with Shedeur than he'd get in New York or Philly. Mary Kay Cabot joins at 8:20 to settle the debate on whether either quarterback has actually looked good at minicamp.

Ken and Anthony bring in producer John to react to the Guardians losing four straight and dropping a half game behind the White Sox after getting swept by the Yankees, debating whether fans should actually be worried or trust the long-game mentality this franchise has built. The guys also field a wild suggestion that Chase DeLauter should be sent down, which Ken shoots down immediately, while also questioning why Kyle Manzardo isn't getting more at-bats. The NBA Finals comeback gets a brief look too, with the crew breaking down why no lead is ever safe in today's three-point-happy league.

Ken and Anthony dissect Deshaun Watson's first press conference in 20 months, zeroing in on his cryptic "internal conversations" comment that has fans wondering if he's already been promised the starting job. The guys debate whether Shedeur Sanders has ever truly faced real competition in his life, and why Ken still believes starting Watson early could actually be better for Shedeur's long-term development. Plus, reports that Todd Monken lost his voice screaming at Shedeur in practice raise new questions ahead of Mary Kay Cabot joining the show at 8:20.

Ken and Anthony break down Shedeur Sanders' eyebrow-raising response to the Browns' quarterback competition, with Ken defending Shedeur's "it's just practice" mindset given his relationship with Watson last season. The guys debate whether starting Shedeur week one is actually in his best interest, or if coming off the bench could better set him up for long-term success. Plus, Watson may have dropped a hint about how the QB battle plays out, and the guys tease the audio ahead of the 7:22 break.

Freshly retired Browns guard Joel Bitonio joins Ken and Anthony to reflect on his 12-year career, sharing his toughest moments including the devastating playoff loss in Houston and the 0-16 season early in his career. Bitonio opens up about his Hall of Fame case, his plans post-football, and why he didn't want to pull a Brett Favre with his retirement decision. He also weighs in on the Browns' quarterback competition, stopping short of picking a starter but making clear that finding the right QB is the key to Cleveland's future.

Ken and Anthony play Daryl Ruiter's brutally honest takes on the Browns' minicamp, with Ruiter questioning whether Deshaun Watson can be the lead dog after inconsistent throws and a lackluster press conference. The guys debate whether Todd Monken should be concerned heading into training camp, with neither quarterback doing enough to seize the starting job. Joel Bitonio joins the show at 6:40 as the conversation turns to what Watson and Shedeur Sanders need to fix before camp kicks off.

Ken and Anthony react to waking up and missing the Knicks' historic 29-point comeback win over the Spurs in Game 4 of the NBA Finals, with both hosts admitting they went to bed at halftime. Charles Barkley blasted the Spurs for blowing the lead, calling it some of the dumbest basketball he's ever seen. The guys also debate whether the Spurs' collapse takes any heat off Kenny Atkinson and the Cavs, and tease Daryl Ruiter's fiery OTA quarterback takes ahead of Joel Bitonio joining at 6:40.

Ken and Lima explore the Guardians' recent slump and the 'overrated' narrative surrounding Jazz Chisholm Jr. They analyze the intensifying quarterback competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, while also debating the controversial gambling case involving Brendon Sorsby. The segment features in-depth AFC North updates and an interview with Nathan Zegura regarding the Browns' training camp progress. 02:15 - Guardians Bullpen Struggles 06:32 - Chisholm Overrated Chants 12:25 - Offensive Slump Analysis 18:00 - Roster Transition Goals 24:00 - Shedeur vs Deshaun Watson 31:40 - Dylan Gabriel Slander 37:00 - Fresh Start for Gabriel 44:20 - Sorsby Gambling Case 53:00 - College Football Ethics 59:00 - Fixing vs Gambling Debate 01:05:30 - Sorsby Legal Status 01:12:40 - Bitonio HOF Case 01:22:10 - Ravens Offseason Update 01:27:05 - Bengals Defensive Issues 01:31:30 - Steelers QB Delusions 01:42:00 - Legit QB Competition 01:50:40 - Jazz Chisholm Villain Role 02:01:15 - Zegura Mini-Camp Report 02:09:20 - Assessing Sorsby's Talent 02:26:45 - Camp Throw Litmus Test

Ken and Lima analyze the Cleveland Guardians' recent struggles, debating whether the offense or bullpen is to blame for the losses. They also dive into the Browns' quarterback situation, highlighting the growing competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. Finally, they address the unfair treatment of Dylan Gabriel by local fans. 02:42 - Guardians Blame Game 06:31 - Jazz Chisholm Controversy 12:48 - Guardians Transition Period 20:10 - Browns QB Competition 26:12 - Shedeur Sanders Surging 33:28 - Dylan Gabriel Slander

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima evaluate the controversy surrounding Brendan Sorsby and whether his polarizing image could benefit the Cleveland Browns in future drafts. They also discuss Joel Bitonio's career legacy and potential Hall of Fame status while offering a sharp critique of the New York Yankees and Derek Jeter. 01:55 - Quarterback Fan Treatment 05:30 - Brendan Sorsby Scandal 09:13 - College Boycott Debate 16:12 - Browns Quarterback Prospects 21:18 - NCAA Power Struggle 26:57 - Sorsby NFL Outlook 35:05 - Bitonio Retirement Legacy

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the AFC North landscape with guests Bob Haynie, Mo Egger, and Andrew Fillipponi. They discuss the potential for a legitimate quarterback competition in Cleveland between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. The discussion concludes with a look at Jazz Chisholm Jr.'s performance and whether he has become a new antagonist for Guardians fans. 02:55 - Ravens Training Camp Update 08:06 - Bengals Linebacker Depth Concerns 12:22 - Steelers Quarterback Redshirt Plans 20:42 - Brendan Sorsby Eligibility Controversy 24:02 - Watson vs Sanders Competition 33:07 - Jazz Chisholm Cleveland Villain

Browns Color Commentator Nathan Zegura joins Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to discuss the intensifying quarterback battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They explore how Todd Monken is reshaping the offensive culture and look back at the legacy of Joel Bitonio following his retirement. The conversation also touches on the organizational impact of trading Myles Garrett and the growth of the young wide receiver room. 01:50 - Nathan Zegura Joins 05:03 - QB Competition Dynamics 08:53 - Brendan Sorsby Outlook 11:21 - Myles Garrett Trade 13:55 - Joel Bitonio's Retirement 21:32 - Todd Monken's Culture 28:35 - Camp Throw Litmus 36:14 - Watson's Future Standing

Albert Breer makes the case that it actually makes more logistical sense to start Deshaun Watson and transition to Shedeur Sanders mid-season than the other way around, and Ken admits the argument has merit even though it will drive the fan base absolutely crazy. Ken delivers a blunt eulogy for Watson's career, saying whatever made him special is completely gone and the only reason he is still on the roster is because cutting him would wreck the salary cap after all the moves Cleveland has already made. The guys close by arguing that regardless of what Monken decides, starting Shedeur is simply more fun for a fan base that desperately needs something to get excited about after trading away Myles Garrett.

Ken and Lima riff on OTA observations, with the receiver room drawing genuine praise from beat reporter Zegura, who says defenders are already noticing a night-and-day difference in playmaking ability. The bigger news is Albert Breer basically no-selling the narrative that Shedeur has taken a significant leap, with the Browns privately pumping the brakes on any quarterback competition storyline. Ken tries to introduce a useful litmus test for grading camp throws, which immediately devolves into an argument about whether anyone is capable of being honest about a quarterback they want to succeed.