The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima

Ken and Lima analyze the controversy surrounding Brendan Sorsby's draft eligibility and his agent's fiery defense against gambling allegations. They also discuss J.R. Smith's claims that the Cavaliers have failed to recognize him properly since the 2016 championship. Mary Kay Cabot and Zach Meisel join to provide updates on the Browns' quarterback battle and the Guardians' depth issues. 01:50 - Guardians Without Jose Ramirez 07:20 - John's Platform For Florida 13:15 - Christmas Tree Farm Heirs 18:25 - Brendan Sorsby Gambling Issues 27:35 - Sorsby's Agent Defends Integrity 37:05 - Tornado Warning In Ashtabula 42:40 - Browns Supplemental Draft Talk 53:55 - Shedeur Sanders Character Debate 01:05:15 - J.R. Smith Rips Cavs 01:11:20 - About Last Night Segment 01:21:20 - Logan Reacts To Florida 01:31:25 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 01:41:50 - Browns Quarterback Competition Battle 01:50:15 - NFL Interest In Sorsby 02:01:10 - Zach Meisel On Guardians 02:12:15 - Guardians Trade Deadline Strategy 02:24:35 - LeBron James To Knicks 02:35:40 - Final LeBron To New York

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the Guardians' performance and Gavin Williams' start before discussing a producer's unusual vacation plans. The conversation shifts to a deep dive into college quarterback Brendan Sorsby and the gambling allegations surrounding him. They react to comments from Sorsby's agent, Ron Slavin, debating whether the player's past mistakes will affect his NFL stock. 01:50 - Guardians and Gavin Williams 05:40 - John's Florida Hinge Date 16:10 - Dating and Generational Trust 19:26 - Sorsby Gambling Controversy 26:45 - Sorsby's NFL Draft Outlook 33:20 - Ron Slavin's Defense Strategy 40:12 - Character and Redemptive Trust

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima evaluate Brendan Sorsby's NFL potential in the supplemental draft while comparing his prospects to Shedeur Sanders. They also react to J.R. Smith's criticism of the Cavaliers organization and discuss the Guardians' recent loss and new Home Run Derby rules. 01:14 - Ashtabula Tornado Warning 02:35 - Brendan Sorsby Draft Value 08:33 - Shedeur Sanders Evaluation 15:23 - Defending Shedeur Sanders 24:10 - J.R. Smith Blasts Cavs 32:21 - Guardians Lose In Milwaukee 35:14 - Home Run Derby Changes

Ken and Lima welcome Mary Kay Cabot to discuss the Cleveland Browns' interest in quarterback prospect Brendan Sorsby and the ongoing competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They also navigate a personal drama involving their producer John's upcoming trip to Florida to visit a friend he met on Hinge. Mary Kay provides insight into Todd Monken's coaching style and why the organization might pass on Sorsby despite his talent. 01:50 - John's Florida Trip Drama 05:50 - Logan Discusses Relationship Trust 13:27 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 18:44 - Sorsby's NFL Draft Outlook 21:57 - Browns Quarterback Battle Update 25:42 - Cabot Joins Relationship Debate 32:37 - NFL Interest In Sorsby 39:38 - Steelers' Draft Philosophy Analysis

Zack Meisel from The Athletic joins to analyze the Cleveland Guardians' depth issues following injuries to Jose Ramirez and other key starters. A heated debate breaks out over LeBron James' future, specifically regarding a controversial suggestion that he should join the New York Knicks on a veteran minimum contract to chase another championship. 02:00 - Zack Meisel Interview 05:45 - Guardians Depth Concerns 10:35 - MLB Gambling Scandals 15:45 - Trade Deadline Strategy 20:15 - Guardians Roster Discussion 25:00 - LeBron Lakers Rumors 35:40 - Knicks Legacy Debate

Arguments break out over the possibility of LeBron James joining the Knicks on a veteran minimum contract to bolster his legacy. They also address fans calling the Cavaliers mediocre and speculate on roster changes following recent comments from ownership. 01:10 - Intro and Personal Life 02:01 - LeBron Knicks Rumors 05:32 - Cavs Mediocrity Debate

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the Cleveland Guardians' depth following a wave of injuries and discuss potential moves at the trade deadline. They also clash over LeBron James' future, with Lima arguing that joining the New York Knicks would be a better legacy move than staying with the Los Angeles Lakers. 01:00 - Guardians Injury Outlook 03:43 - Trade Deadline Strategy 05:21 - LeBron James Rumors 08:54 - Knicks Legacy Debate

Zack Meisel from The Athletic joins to analyze the Cleveland Guardians' challenges following the injury to Jose Ramirez. He examines the team's lack of roster depth and the pressure on the pitching staff during a critical road trip. Meisel also discusses the implications of clubhouse trust and how the organization might approach the trade deadline in a wide-open American League.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima examine why 32 NFL teams are scouting a quarterback prospect despite his involvement in a gambling scandal. They discuss the Cleveland Browns' aggressive approach to talent acquisition and contrast it with the Pittsburgh Steelers' conservative history under Art Rooney II. 01:02 - Browns Quarterback Room 02:07 - Scouting QBs With Baggage 05:21 - Gambling Scandal Impact 07:46 - Steelers Draft History 11:05 - LeBron James Tease

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken and Lima to explain why the Cleveland Browns are likely to pass on prospect Brennan Sorsby despite his agent's claims. She provides insight into the intense quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders while detailing Todd Monken's coaching style.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima discuss their producer John's upcoming trip to Miami to visit a woman he met on a dating app. John's girlfriend, Logan, joins the conversation to express her trust and security in the relationship despite skepticism from others. They also review listener reactions and a voicemail from Ken's wife regarding the situation. 01:00 - MLB Win Percentage Debate 01:57 - John's Controversial Florida Trip 03:02 - Logan Discusses Relationship Trust 08:25 - Liz Shares Voicemail Opinion 10:31 - Community Reacts To News

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima bring in producer John to break down the Cleveland Guardians' recent struggles following a loss to the Milwaukee Brewers, focusing on pitching concerns with Gavin Williams. They also debate the merits of the new MLB Home Run Derby format compared to the classic head-to-head style. Finally, a personal story emerges regarding a platonic vacation that sparked questions from family and listeners.

Ken and Lima dive into J.R. Smith's surprising remarks regarding how the Cavaliers treat their former championship stars compared to the Knicks. They also break down the heated discourse surrounding Shedeur Sanders and whether he is being unfairly judged in the NFL draft process. 02:33 - Shedeur Sanders Draft Debate 08:43 - Browns Quarterback Competition Concerns 12:19 - J.R. Smith Cavs Comments 18:30 - Home Run Derby Changes

Ken and Lima dig into the mechanics of the supplemental draft and what an NFL suspension for Sorsby might actually look like, with Ken arguing the league can't afford to let gambling in college go unpunished. The guys debate at what draft round the Browns should be willing to bid on Sorsby, with Lima drawing the line at a second rounder while Ken says a third or fourth is a no-brainer given Dylan Gabriel is already on the roster. Ken also flags that a full-season redshirt would completely change the math, since you'd be investing a pick in a guy you won't see in a game before having to decide on the next quarterback class. The segment closes with a tease of an update from producer John's girlfriend situation and a pivot to Cavaliers talk.

Ken and Lima continue dissecting agent Ron Slavin's radio interview, where Slavin deflects blame toward the University of Cincinnati for knowing about Sorsby's gambling and staying silent for two years. Ken grows increasingly frustrated as Slavin paints Sorsby as a churchgoing, non-drinking, two-girlfriend-his-whole-life saint whose only real flaw is being "too giving" — a line that sends Ken over the edge. The guys debate whether NFL teams will ultimately care about the gambling history if it truly stopped years ago, but Ken stands firm that he wants no part of Sorsby as the Browns' franchise quarterback. Ken closes by arguing the next Browns QB needs to restore the fan base's faith, not arrive with an agent doing damage control on Dallas radio.

Ken and Lima break down an interview with Brendan Sorsby's agent Ron Slavin, who argues the gambling incidents happened when Sorsby was 18, never compromised the integrity of the game, and that the media wildly overreacted. Ken isn't buying the full narrative, pointing out the contradiction between Sorsby seeking gambling addiction treatment while his agent now downplays any ongoing problem. The guys debate whether the agent's explanation would move the needle for an NFL team considering a supplemental draft pick, with Ken admitting the interview actually makes him feel worse about Sorsby, not better. More damaging audio from the agent is teased for the next segment.

Ken and Lima grill producer John on the air after discovering he's flying solo to Florida to visit a female friend he originally met on Hinge, now in a relationship with someone else. John insists the friendship is completely platonic, but the details keep getting worse — her boyfriend will be there, John doesn't think he's good-looking, and Logan, John's girlfriend of over a year, is stuck babysitting. Ken and Lima can barely contain themselves dissecting the generational trust dynamics at play, marveling that John dropped $200 on flights without a second thought.

Ken and Anthony Lima discuss the Guardians' recent loss and the significant injury blow to Jose Ramirez. They bring on NFL draft analyst Dane Brugler to break down the potential of supplemental draft prospect Brendan Sorsby. Additionally, they cover LeBron James' return odds and the debate over NBA participation trophies. 02:40 - Vincent Goodwill's Trophy Take 08:15 - NBA Star Power 13:45 - Guardians Injury Outlook 19:35 - Ken's Son Jinx 26:05 - Browns Win Predictions 33:10 - Brendan Sorsby Analysis 45:40 - Supplemental Draft Strategy 57:20 - LeBron Return Odds 01:02:30 - Cavs Cap Flexibility 01:11:10 - Two-Second Trivia 01:21:15 - Player Nickname Debate 01:33:40 - James Harden Analysis 01:57:35 - Dane Brugler Interview 02:08:15 - Future QB Prospects 02:28:55 - Watson vs Sanders Battle 02:31:50 - Steelers Draft Philosophy

Ken and Lima react to Vincent Goodwill's controversial claim that the Larry O'Brien Trophy has become a participation trophy due to lack of dynasties. They transition into the Cleveland Guardians' injury crisis after losing Jose Ramirez and discuss the validity of Emory Hunt's ten-win projection for the Browns. 01:50 - Cleveland Sports Highlights 03:01 - Vincent Goodwill NBA Take 07:00 - NBA Parity and Ratings 13:48 - Guardians Injury Report 20:20 - Ken's Son Voodoo Rumors 25:09 - Browns Win Total Debate 34:40 - Supplemental Draft Speculation

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima explore the Cleveland Browns' interest in quarterback Brennan Sorsby and how his collegiate gambling suspension complicates his NFL transition. They also analyze the salary cap barriers for a potential LeBron James homecoming and react to Vincent Goodwill's comments on championship validation. The segment concludes with a high-energy round of Two-Second Trivia featuring local callers from across Ohio. 01:20 - Browns Quarterback Draft Strategy 05:53 - Brennan Sorsby Suspension Debate 10:20 - Gambling Risks and NFL Prospects 15:25 - LeBron James Cavs Return Rumors 20:10 - Cavaliers Salary Cap Challenges 29:02 - Two-Second Trivia Contest

They evaluate whether the James Harden acquisition was a mistake compared to keeping Darius Garland and analyze the numbers behind their on-court performance. The discussion also covers the culture of sports nicknames in Cleveland, from Chase DeLauter to Baker Mayfield, and features NFL draft insights from Daniel Jeremiah. 01:20 - Guardians Player Nicknames 06:53 - Baker Mayfield Nicknames 09:15 - Local Media Nickname History 11:02 - Daniel Jeremiah Draft Analysis 16:21 - James Harden Trade Debate 22:12 - Jrue Holiday Trade Scenarios 28:46 - Evaluating Player Success Metrics 32:41 - Defensive Impact Comparison 37:34 - Cavaliers Special Anniversary Tease

Ken and Lima welcomes NFL Draft analyst Dane Brugler to discuss the unique scouting profile of quarterback Brendan Sorsby. They analyze how the signal-caller's elite physical traits compare to his off-field challenges and significant developmental needs. The discussion explores potential landing spots for Sorsby, such as the Browns and Steelers, while considering the depth of future draft classes.

Ken Carman makes the case that the Steelers, despite always being floated as a quarterback-desperate landing spot, are exactly the type of conservative, ownership-driven organization that would never gamble a second-round pick on Brendan Soresby's gambling baggage, drawing a comparison to how character concerns once nearly cost them Dan Marino back in 1983. Lima pushes back on the idea that a supplemental pick is somehow a smaller investment than a normal draft pick, leading to a real disagreement about what teams are actually risking by taking the swing. The two also wrap up some lingering Jose Ramirez injury jokes involving Ken's son Axel, including a very funny bit about fans piling on Ken's family for supposedly jinxing the Guardians' star third baseman.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima break down the fallout from their interview with Dane Brugler, with Carman pushing back on fans who are either over-hyping Brendan Sorsby as a savior or trashing him purely to spite Shedeur Sanders supporters. Carman walks through why evaluators separate game outcomes from prospect grading, using Jackson Dart and Trevor Lawrence as examples of why traits and developmental timelines matter more than head-to-head college results, while still drawing a line at spending more than a third-round pick on Sorsby. The two also dig into the wild detail of Texas Tech paying out Sorsby's reported financial package anyway, and debate how the timing of NFL discipline and a team's coaching stability could end up shaping who actually takes the swing.

NFL Draft Analyst Dane Brugler joins Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to bring some much-needed context to the Brendan Sorsby hype, explaining that while the talent and physical tools are real, the tape shows a quarterback who's still raw in his reads, protections, and mechanics, making him more of a day two projection even before factoring in the gambling situation. Brugler lays out why the Browns, Jets, and Cardinals make the most sense as landing spots if Sorsby slips far enough in the supplemental draft, and breaks down how the asking price, a third-round pick versus a day three flier, changes the entire calculus for taking the swing. He also tackles the looming 2027 question, weighing whether banking on Sorsby now could actually cost a team a shot at a generational talent like Jeremiah Smith.

Cavaliers Chief Marketing Officer Chris Kaiser joins Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to break down Friday's 10-year anniversary celebration of the 2016 championship, including a new championship-themed basketball court and a commercial-free replay of Game 7 at the Meet Me Here Plaza downtown. Kaiser opens up about how tricky it is to honor the franchise's past while staying focused on a current team fresh off an Eastern Conference Finals run, especially with LeBron James's free agency looming over everything the marketing department plans. Carman also gets Kaiser to explain the surprisingly well-organized process behind auctioning off the actual seat Taylor Swift sat in during the playoffs, which fetched a notable price for charity.

Ken Carman pushes back hard on the growing narrative that the James Harden trade was a bust, walking through the numbers and arguing the on-off splits clearly show Harden was a real upgrade over Darius Garland, especially defensively. He and Lima debate what "failure" even means for a team that made a deeper playoff run than anyone expected, and Carman draws a line between not winning a championship and being an outright disaster, pointing to the Knicks' OG Anunoby and Mikal Bridges trades as proof narratives can flip fast. The two also touch on Daniel Jeremiah's comparison of Brendan Sorsby to Jaxson Dart before wrapping up ahead of their interview with Cavaliers CMO Chris Kaiser.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima spiral into an extended back-and-forth about Cleveland sports nicknames, debating whether anyone actually calls Chase DeLauder "CDL," why Tito always seemed to make player nicknames longer instead of shorter, and Carman's refusal to ever use "Spida" for Donovan Mitchell. A caller pokes fun at both hosts for their own nickname habits, leading to a detour into old Browns and Indians nickname history before the guys set up their upcoming interview with Cavaliers executive Chris Kaiser. The whole segment is the kind of loose, bickering tangent that somehow still ties back to bigger questions about Jose Ramirez, Gavin Williams, and the Browns quarterback situation looming over the show.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima host a high-stakes edition of Two-Second Trivia where listeners compete for Mr. Hero meals by answering rapid-fire sports questions. The segment features a variety of topics including Cleveland Guardians stats and NBA ratings, concluding with a fast-paced lightning round and a preview of upcoming guest interviews.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima break down Sam Quinn's odds on LeBron James's free agency, with Cleveland sitting at a measly five percent behind the Lakers, Warriors, and outright retirement, and Carman explains why the Cavs' cap situation makes a reunion financially brutal even if James wanted it. The two debate whether it would actually be a good thing for LeBron to close out his career in Cleveland versus chasing a ring elsewhere, with Carman arguing a homecoming would mean far more to fans than people want to admit, using Kobe Bryant's farewell season as the emotional comp. They circle back to the "participation trophy" debate from earlier in the show, with Carman arguing the wide-open nature of this year's title race is exactly why a 41-year-old LeBron could still be a difference-maker for whichever team lands him.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima keep hashing out the Brendan Sorsby supplemental draft debate, this time fielding callers who compare the gambit to past Browns gambles on troubled talent like Johnny Manziel and Josh Gordon. Carman draws a sharp line between Sorsby's situation and the Luis Ortiz-style "Class A" betting scandal, pointing out there's no evidence of game-fixing and that the worst behavior may be tied to a specific period when Sorsby wasn't even playing. The conversation also digs into how a personal conduct versus substance abuse classification could affect how much access Sorsby gets to the building during any suspension, using the Giants' handling of Jaxson Dart as a comparison point for how a team can quietly develop a young quarterback behind the scenes.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima dig into the wild idea floated by Albert Breer that the Browns could target Brendan Sorsby in the supplemental draft, even with the threat of a lengthy suspension looming over his head. Carman lays out why spending anything more than a fourth or fifth-round pick on Sorsby means the front office has to have a borderline blind faith in a guy nobody will actually get to see play for weeks, and explains why that level of investment would essentially take the Browns out of next year's loaded quarterback class. The two also debate whether the front office has actually earned any benefit of the doubt given the franchise's track record, and whether passing on a stacked group of receivers and corners is really worth the gamble.

Ken and Lima break down why Emory Hunt's bold 10-win prediction for the Browns actually makes total sense once you factor in his belief in Shedeur Sanders, and uses it to reveal a foolproof way to tell if someone covering the Browns is being honest about their win total or just blowing smoke. Carman and Lima go back and forth on whether a coach picking the "wrong" rookie quarterback over Joe Flacco would actually be gross negligence, or if it just doesn't matter because neither option separates itself enough. Before all that, the guys also get roasted by listeners and each other over Jose Ramirez's injury, old wrestling photos, and one very unlucky kid who may have hexed the Guardians' third baseman.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima rip into ESPN's Vincent Goodwill for calling the NBA championship a "participation trophy" given how many different teams have won it lately, with Carman calling the comment asinine and pushing back hard on the idea that parity cheapens a title. The two dig into why the NBA gets treated so differently than football and baseball when it comes to judging stars who haven't won it all, name-checking Joel Embiid, James Harden, and Victor Wembanyama along the way. They also touch on the Cavs' surprising place in the championship conversation despite the recent fan pessimism. Then the conversation pivots hard into the Guardians' rough start to a crucial stretch, with the offense suddenly without two of its top power sources.

Ken and Lima dig into the emerging podcast scene with a wide-ranging conversation about whether the Knicks' championship should change how Cleveland thinks about its own title ceiling, given that nobody believed New York had a real shot either. Ken challenges the lazy narrative shortcuts in sports media — "no dog in him," "can't win with this guy" — arguing that Jalen Brunson and Karl-Anthony Towns just blew up most of those talking points in one playoff run. The De'Aaron Fox odds hitting the wire sparks a debate about whether any Cavs move short of LeBron or Giannis will actually excite the fan base, with Ken concluding Cleveland is stuck in that frustrating Kings-Blazers purgatory of being good but not taken seriously. Lima pushes back with the Knicks as Exhibit A that running it back with the right chemistry can surprise everyone, leaving both hosts genuinely uncertain whether the Cavs need a blockbuster or just some good fortune.

Ken and Anthony discuss the fallout of Brendan Sorsby entering the supplemental draft following gambling allegations and a divide between Andrew Berry and Todd Monken. They analyze Sorsby's professional outlook with guest Ryan Wilson and debate his value compared to Arch Manning. The conversation also explores a simulated NBA Finals where the Knicks are champions and the state of the Guardians without Jose Ramirez. 03:15 - Debating Brendan Sorsby's Future 08:35 - Character Concerns Versus Talent 13:35 - Monken and Berry Disagree 18:35 - Supplemental Draft Bidding Strategy 25:05 - Quarterback Room Purgatory 30:05 - Gambling Rules and Suspensions 36:45 - NCAA Legal Battle Precedents 45:15 - Emory Hunt's Season Outlook 51:30 - Shedeur Sanders Draft Debate 58:05 - Ryan Wilson Analyzes Sorsby 01:07:45 - Sorsby Versus Arch Manning 01:13:45 - Knicks Win Simulated Finals 01:21:20 - Cape Verde's Historic Upset 01:31:05 - Guardians Without Jose Ramirez 01:44:30 - Adversity in Collegiate Football 01:57:15 - Future Prospects and Arch 02:07:45 - Evaluating Browns Trade History 02:16:00 - Justin Termini Interview: NBA 02:25:20 - James Harden's Trade Impact 02:33:37 - Ken's Late Night Parental Rant

Ken and Lima break down the conflicting messages coming from the Browns front office regarding quarterback Brendan Sorsby. They compare coach Todd Monken's harsh assessment of Sorsby's character to GM Andrew Berry's more measured stance on second chances. The discussion explores whether the franchise can handle another controversial quarterback situation amidst the supplemental draft. 02:06 - Handling Character Concerns 08:06 - Gambling Contaminating Character 13:36 - Monken Eviscerates Sorsby 18:45 - Browns Draft Philosophy 22:22 - Carman's Champions Pose 27:53 - Setting Up For Failure 35:10 - College Litigation Drama 40:30 - NFL Suspension Rules

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima break down Emory Hunt's bold prediction that the Browns can achieve ten wins with Shedeur Sanders at quarterback. They also assess the Cleveland Guardians' resilience as they navigate a difficult schedule without Jose Ramirez and react to James Dolan's unique playoff motivational tactics. 01:50 - Emery Hunt on Browns Potential 05:15 - Sanders vs. Watson QB Debate 10:00 - Draft Status and QB Leashes 13:25 - Evaluating Interest in Brendan Soresby 18:40 - Guardians Survival Without Jose Ramirez 23:50 - Rookies Stepping Up in Cleveland 28:05 - James Dolan's Bizarre Knicks Advice 36:20 - World Cup Upsets and Cycles

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima weigh the risks of the Cleveland Browns potentially pursuing quarterback Brendan Sorsby despite his gambling history. CBS Sports analyst Ryan Wilson joins to provide a scouting report on Sorsby's elite talent compared to top prospects like Arch Manning. They also debate whether the organization can handle adding more controversy to the quarterback room. 01:50 - Quarterback Room Drama and Sorsby 05:33 - Browns Leadership on Sorsby Character 12:43 - Ryan Wilson Evaluates Sorsby Talent 18:00 - Gambling Risks and NFL Future 26:33 - Shedeur Sanders vs. Deshaun Watson 34:21 - Search for Franchise Quarterback

Host of NBA TodaJustin Termine joins Anthony Lima and Ken Carman to analyze the NBA Finals and the progress of the Cleveland Cavaliers. They debate the value of James Harden and Evan Mobley before discussing the Browns' interest in Brendan Sorsby. Additionally, Carman shares a personal story regarding a midnight security scare at his home. 01:20 - Cavs and NBA Rumors 04:26 - Browns Quarterback Conspiracy Theories 08:52 - Debate Over Risky Draft Prospects 14:52 - Termine Analyzes NBA Finals 20:16 - Wembanyama vs LeBron Comparisons 25:15 - Heated Debate Over James Harden 34:40 - Carman's Midnight Security Scare

Ken opens up about getting woken up at midnight to find every light on, the front door open, and the garage unsecured — setting up a morning of parenting debate about what punishment actually sticks with kids. The guys crowdsource discipline ideas, landing on manual labor as the only thing that leaves a lasting impression, with Lima sharing his own gravel driveway story from childhood. The segment pivots to the supplemental draft odds, revealing the Steelers are fourth overall favorites at 7-to-1 to land Sorsby while the Browns sit at a distant 18-to-1. On the round projections, the books favor a third-round selection at 3-to-1, with undrafted nearly as likely as a second-round pick — a far cry from the top-five talent conversation the show spent the morning debating.

SiriusXM NBA Radio host Justin Termine joins Ken and Lima to break down the Knicks' championship run and what it means for Cleveland's title chances, with Termine concluding the Cavs are stuck in a frustrating middle ground — good enough to compete but not built to win it all. The James Harden debate turns into the segment's centerpiece, with Termine calling the trade a failure given Harden's postseason performance and age-related regression, while Lima pushes back hard with the numbers and wins it on points according to Ken. Termine also raises concerns about Evan Mobley's offensive development stalling in year four, questioning whether the Cavs have the second star needed to take real pressure off Donovan Mitchell. The segment closes with Termine speculating LeBron stays in LA before trading playful jabs with the guys about Cleveland sports talk radio.