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Ken Carman and guest host Jason Lloyd analyze the Cleveland Cavaliers' draft selection of Malik Thomas and the impact of the NBA second apron. They engage in a spirited debate over a rumored trade sending Evan Mobley to Boston for Jaylen Brown. Additionally, Mary Kay Cabot and Chris Mannix join to discuss the Cleveland Browns' quarterback competition and roster management. 02:10 - Malik Thomas Draft Analysis 06:45 - Ken's Raccoon Garbage Saga 12:10 - Callers Offer Pest Advice 16:50 - NBA Second Apron Explained 24:30 - Mobley For Brown Debate 34:40 - Cavaliers Trade Strategy Discussion 41:50 - LeBron James Return Rumors 49:30 - Shedeur Sanders Starting Debate 01:00:15 - Browns Locker Room Dynamics 01:11:45 - Guardians White Sox Recap 01:18:50 - Terryon Arnold Legal Issues 01:23:10 - Ken's Facebook Ad Nightmare 01:36:25 - Traffic Report 01:37:35 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 01:52:40 - Sanders vs Watson Depth 02:06:50 - Chris Mannix Trade Analysis 02:25:10 - Jaylen Brown Fit Debate 02:36:40 - Final Wrap And Raccoons

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken Carman and Jason Lloyd to discuss why the Browns are unlikely to trade Denzel Ward despite interest from the Detroit Lions. They also evaluate the status of Grant Delpit and the heated quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders heading into the season. 01:50 - Birthdays And Social Algorithms 06:08 - Jason Lloyd's Midlife Crisis 11:47 - Terrion Arnold Arrest Impacts Lions 16:06 - Traffic And Sports Update 18:39 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 25:34 - Browns Quarterback Competition Debate 34:46 - Starting Watson Versus Sanders

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken and Lima to break down the Browns' offseason, starting with the Denzel Ward trade buzz sparked by Terrion Arnold's arrest. The setup has Cabot shutting down any real chance of a Ward trade while admitting a first-round pick (or more) would have to be on the table for Cleveland to even listen, and she also clarifies Grant Delpit isn't holding in, just dealing with a minor camp tweak. The bottom line: Cabot says Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson's quarterback competition is legit, with no real trade smoke despite rumors, and benching Shedeur after he wins fans over could be a tougher sell than the Browns think.

In Hour 2 of the show, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington go over Mary Kay Cabot's comments on saying Jared Verse is a force multiplier for the Browns. Plus, the guys go over the World Cup and update the latest on who is shining bright, we have another edition of The Good The Bad & The Ugly, and more!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mary Kay Cabot joins Andy Baskin and Jeff Phelps to discuss rumors surrounding Deshaun Watson and the possibility of adding Brendan Sorsby to the roster. They also analyze the development of rookie offensive linemen and the impressive performance of receivers KC Concepcion and Denzel Boston. 01:00 - NBA Draft Expectations 02:22 - Browns Quarterback Rumors 07:02 - Roster Depth Evaluation

Andy Baskin and Jeff Phelps discuss the NBA draft before welcoming Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com to analyze the Cleveland Browns' roster and quarterback competition. They react to Joe Thomas's comments regarding a Myles Garrett trade and evaluate Jimmy Haslam's ownership strategies across multiple franchises. Meredith Kain joins to deliver headlines regarding Trae Young's contract extension, new NFL stadium developments, and Mike Babcock's return to the NHL. 01:50 - NBA Draft And Browns Interview 07:33 - Browns Roster Shuffling 16:30 - Joe Thomas On Garrett Trade 21:35 - Jimmy Haslam Ownership Philosophy 31:11 - NBA And NFL Headlines 39:17 - PGA Tour And Mike Babcock

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken and Lima to explain why the Cleveland Browns are likely to pass on prospect Brennan Sorsby despite his agent's claims. She provides insight into the intense quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders while detailing Todd Monken's coaching style.

Ken and Lima welcome Mary Kay Cabot to discuss the Cleveland Browns' interest in quarterback prospect Brendan Sorsby and the ongoing competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They also navigate a personal drama involving their producer John's upcoming trip to Florida to visit a friend he met on Hinge. Mary Kay provides insight into Todd Monken's coaching style and why the organization might pass on Sorsby despite his talent. 01:50 - John's Florida Trip Drama 05:50 - Logan Discusses Relationship Trust 13:27 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 18:44 - Sorsby's NFL Draft Outlook 21:57 - Browns Quarterback Battle Update 25:42 - Cabot Joins Relationship Debate 32:37 - NFL Interest In Sorsby 39:38 - Steelers' Draft Philosophy Analysis

Ken and Lima analyze the controversy surrounding Brendan Sorsby's draft eligibility and his agent's fiery defense against gambling allegations. They also discuss J.R. Smith's claims that the Cavaliers have failed to recognize him properly since the 2016 championship. Mary Kay Cabot and Zach Meisel join to provide updates on the Browns' quarterback battle and the Guardians' depth issues. 01:50 - Guardians Without Jose Ramirez 07:20 - John's Platform For Florida 13:15 - Christmas Tree Farm Heirs 18:25 - Brendan Sorsby Gambling Issues 27:35 - Sorsby's Agent Defends Integrity 37:05 - Tornado Warning In Ashtabula 42:40 - Browns Supplemental Draft Talk 53:55 - Shedeur Sanders Character Debate 01:05:15 - J.R. Smith Rips Cavs 01:11:20 - About Last Night Segment 01:21:20 - Logan Reacts To Florida 01:31:25 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 01:41:50 - Browns Quarterback Competition Battle 01:50:15 - NFL Interest In Sorsby 02:01:10 - Zach Meisel On Guardians 02:12:15 - Guardians Trade Deadline Strategy 02:24:35 - LeBron James To Knicks 02:35:40 - Final LeBron To New York

Jonathan Peterlin and Nick Pedone evaluate the Cleveland Browns' quarterback situation and whether the team should pursue Brendan Sorsby. They break down comments from Mary Kay Cabot regarding Todd Monken's influence on the roster and the competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. Additionally, they explore generational gaps and the use of modern slang in the studio. 02:21 - Show Introduction 03:42 - Generational Gaps and Slang 10:35 - Evaluating Brendan Sorsby 13:33 - Todd Monken's QB Influence

Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com joins Jeff and Dan on the show to discuss why the Cleveland Browns are unlikely to pursue Brendan Sorsby in the supplemental draft despite his talent level. She details the franchise's philosophy on giving players second chances and how the roster is preparing for a training camp battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. Additionally, the conversation highlights the significant depth and progress seen in the wide receiver room. 01:00 - Brendan Sorsby Draft Outlook 04:44 - Sorsby Talent Evaluation 06:49 - Team Philosophy On Character 09:31 - Watson And Sanders Battle 12:59 - Improved Wide Receiver Depth

Ken and Lima analyze the Knicks' massive comeback against the Spurs before exploring the intense quarterback competition brewing at Browns minicamp. Joel Bitonio shares details on his decision to retire and his thoughts on the Hall of Fame, while Mary Kay Cabot joins to break down the performance of Deshaun Watson and the rookies. 02:33 - Knicks Epic Comeback 07:36 - Charles Barkley Quotes 13:45 - Deshaun Watson Performance 27:12 - Joel Bitonio Interview 38:55 - Hall Of Fame 48:40 - Shedeur Sanders' Approach 57:00 - Watson's Mental State 01:07:00 - Internal QB Competition 01:14:23 - Guardians Series Sweep 01:22:00 - NBA Playoff Logic 01:28:40 - Dividing The Media 01:37:46 - Mary Kay Cabot 01:48:50 - Brendan Sorsby Talk 01:55:14 - Quarterback Rep Distribution 02:03:50 - Bitonio's Browns Legacy 02:11:20 - Sympathy For Watson 02:19:36 - Andrew Berry Scouting 02:28:10 - General Manager Strategy 02:35:14 - Taylor Swift's Allegiances

Ken and Anthony dissect Deshaun Watson's first press conference in 20 months, zeroing in on his cryptic "internal conversations" comment that has fans wondering if he's already been promised the starting job. The guys debate whether Shedeur Sanders has ever truly faced real competition in his life, and why Ken still believes starting Watson early could actually be better for Shedeur's long-term development. Plus, reports that Todd Monken lost his voice screaming at Shedeur in practice raise new questions ahead of Mary Kay Cabot joining the show at 8:20.

Ken and Anthony play Shedeur Sanders' press conference clips back to back, including his dismissal of the QB competition framing and his fiery response to a reporter asking whether he'd work out with Deshaun Watson this offseason. Ken defends Shedeur's team-first answers while pushing back on the notion that the question was divisive, arguing Cleveland media has actually been far gentler with Shedeur than he'd get in New York or Philly. Mary Kay Cabot joins at 8:20 to settle the debate on whether either quarterback has actually looked good at minicamp.

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken and Anthony to break down the Browns' quarterback battle, revealing that while Deshaun Watson started minicamp with the early edge, Shedeur Sanders has worked his way back into contention over the past two weeks. Mary Kay offers a mild critique of Todd Monken for not naming a starter yet, arguing it would help the team rally behind one guy during the five-week summer break. She also dismisses the Todd Monken job security chatter following the Myles Garrett trade and addresses whether the Browns would consider Brendan Sorsby if he enters the supplemental draft.

Mary Kay Cabot joins the program to provide insights into the ongoing competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They analyze Todd Monken's offensive system, the challenges facing a young roster, and the leadership qualities required for the starting role. The discussion also touches on media interactions and the long-term outlook for the front office. 01:50 - Browns Quarterback Competition Debate 05:10 - Divisive Questions and Media Bias 08:45 - Cleveland Media Culture Analysis 13:45 - Mary Kay Cabot Joins 19:30 - Evaluating Monken's Young Offense 23:45 - Quarterback Leadership Styles Compared 27:45 - Todd Monken's Job Security 34:30 - Analyzing Watson's Recent Struggles 38:15 - Shedeur Sanders' Development Path

Nick Wilson and Jonathan Peterlin react to Mary Kay Cabot's report on Todd Monken delaying a quarterback depth chart decision. They debate the merits of letting Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson compete longer before discussing the hypothetical fallout of interviewing Dillon Gabriel. Banter regarding Andy Baskin and the physical realities of aging are also included. 01:00 - Banter on Aging 02:57 - QB Competition Timeline 10:30 - Dillon Gabriel Jokes

Andy Baskin and Dan Menningen react to Joel Bitonio's retirement from football and the Browns. Then, MAry KAy Cabot of cleveland.com joins the guys to give her thoughts on Bitonio, mandatory minicamp and more.

Browns Beat Reporter for Cleveland.com Mary Kay Cabot joins Baskin and Phelps to discuss Joel Bitonio's retirement and his potential path to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They also analyze the impact of Jared Verse replacing Myles Garrett and the shifting timeline for Todd Monken to name a starting quarterback.

Featuring Daniel Oyefusi, Mary Kay Cabot, Levi Weaver, Wayne Randazzo, Sam Monson, and Zac Jackson.

Featuring Daniel Oyefusi, Mary Kay Cabot, Levi Weaver, Wayne Randazzo, Sam Monson, and Zac Jackson.

Featuring Daniel Oyefusi, Mary Kay Cabot, Levi Weaver, Wayne Randazzo, Sam Monson, and Zac Jackson.

Browns insider Mary Kay Cabot drops a bombshell, revealing that Shedeur Sanders has come on so strong in recent weeks that the organization may actually be pumping the brakes on handing Deshaun Watson the starting job before training camp even begins. Cabot also makes the case that Jared Verse is going to be a better team leader for this young Browns roster than Myles Garrett ever was, which is a sentence nobody saw coming a week ago. Todd Monken meeting with Deion Sanders is also apparently really happening, and the hosts want to know what fans think about all of it.

Mary Kay Cabot's report that Shedeur has genuinely surprised the Browns coaching staff has the hosts fired up, and an insider source confirms yesterday was Sanders' best day of OTAs with his footwork improving and his big plays finally showing up downfield. One host makes the emotional case that Browns fans simply deserve someone to look forward to, and that even if Shedeur is not proven yet, watching Deshaun Watson just dredges up too many bad memories to be worth it if this team is not going anywhere. The verdict is clear: let the best quarterback win the job, but the fanbase is quietly pulling hard for Shedeur to stack enough good days to make the decision easy.

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken Carmen and Anthony Lima to discuss a potential paradigm shift in the Cleveland Browns quarterback competition. She reports that Shedeur Sanders is gaining significant momentum and could challenge Deshaun Watson for the starting role as training camp approaches. They also analyze the culture impact of the Myles Garrett trade and the rising expectations for the Guardians young roster. 01:50 - Jose Ramirez Playoff Pressure 05:36 - Guardians Pitching and Rotation 09:05 - Teammates React to Garrett Trade 16:18 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 21:22 - Shedeur Sanders Gaining Momentum 25:01 - Leadership Shift After Garrett 33:09 - Ken and Anthony React 37:41 - Future of Browns Quarterback

Jonathan Peterlin and Daryl Ruiter analyze the emerging quarterback competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson. They review Mary Kay Cabot's recent practice observations and compare the Browns' situation to the quarterback inconsistencies discussed by Todd Monken. 01:00 - Mary Kay Cabot Report 03:41 - Shedeur Sanders Week 1 08:08 - Monken QB Comments

Hour 4 of Baskin and Phelps

Mary Kay Cabot joined Baskin and Phelps to share her insight on the Browns trading Myles Garrett to the Rams, why the team is excited about getting Jared Verse in response, and what lead to the two sides finally agreeing to terms.

Hour 3 with Bob Pompeani and Joe Starkey: Pirates reporter John Perrotto joined the show. John would not be surprised if Carmen Mlodzinski was back in uniform on Tuesday. Yordan Alvarez's name has popped up as a trade candidate for the Pirates. John thinks it's very notable that MLB owners are willing to share all TV contracts in the CBA. Mary Kay Cabot is reporting that there are several teams interested in trading for Myles Garrett. It seems a Garrett trade is very possible.

Mary Kay Cabot is reporting that there are several teams interested in trading for Myles Garrett. It seems a Garrett trade is very possible. The Rams are a team interested in Myles Garrett. Tony Rizzo of ESPN Cleveland heard that a big rumor! Adam Schefter reported the Browns have been "adamant" they're not trading Garrett. 

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken and Lima to address speculation surrounding Myles Garrett, confirming the team views the star defender as a career Brown. They analyze Deshaun Watson's shoulder recovery and the emerging quarterback competition with Shedeur Sanders. The conversation also explores Travis Kelce's new ownership stake in the Guardians and the cultural impact of celebrity sightings in Cleveland. 01:50 - Kelce's Guardians Ownership Stake 05:45 - Taylor Swift's Business Savvy 10:00 - Kelce Couple's Net Worth 13:24 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 19:18 - Deshaun Watson's Arm Strength 22:40 - Sanders Vs Watson Battle 28:05 - Joel Bitonio's Retirement Status 34:01 - Jenner Versus Swift Fame 40:20 - Myles Garrett OTA Debate

Ken and Lima analyze Mike Rutenberg's awkward comments regarding Myles Garrett and evaluate the growing trade speculation surrounding the star pass rusher. They transition to the Cleveland Cavaliers to debate whether the organization should prioritize Donovan Mitchell or Evan Mobley. Mary Kay Cabot and Jason Lloyd contribute insights on Deshaun Watson's health and Travis Kelce's new investment in the Cleveland Guardians. 02:51 - Rutenberg Garrett Interaction Concerns 10:48 - Myles Garrett Trade Speculation 19:37 - Pass Rusher Historical Impact 33:13 - Mitchell Versus Mobley Dilemma 48:26 - Organizational Mobley Expectations 59:01 - Analyzing Rutenberg Word Salad 01:10:42 - Sorsby Supplemental Draft Potential 01:18:22 - Golf Tournament Leaves Akron 01:22:48 - NBA AI Referee Proposal 01:27:01 - Kelce Guardians Ownership Stake 01:37:31 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 01:46:07 - Watson Versus Sanders Battle 01:52:41 - Joel Bitonio Future Outlook 02:03:00 - Garrett Leadership Qualities Debate 02:10:10 - Jason Lloyd Roster Analysis 02:27:00 - Media Versus Fans Division 02:41:00 - Local Playground Basketball Observation

Mary Kay Cabot discusses the likelihood of Myles Garrett remaining with the Cleveland Browns despite recent trade speculation. She provides updates on Deshaun Watson's arm recovery and analyzes the ongoing quarterback competition involving Shedeur Sanders. The discussion also covers Brendan Sorsby's draft status and Travis Kelce's new investment in the Cleveland Guardians. 01:03 - Myles Garrett Status 05:13 - Deshaun Watson's Recovery 07:26 - Quarterback Depth Chart 10:58 - Brendan Sorsby Scouting 15:22 - Travis Kelce Guardians Owner

Nick Wilson and Jonathan Peterlin discuss Tom Selleck's appearance at an Angels-Tigers game before transitioning to the Cleveland Browns' quarterback situation. Analysis centers on a report from Mary Kay Cabot regarding the competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders, debating the value of practice performance versus in-game talent. They explore whether the current depth chart setup creates a disadvantage for a gamer-style player. 01:14 - Tom Selleck Baseball Appearance 02:59 - Watson Versus Sanders Battle 10:51 - Browns Quarterback Competition Discussion

Ken and Lima explore the possibility of the Browns trading Myles Garrett after Albert Breer's recent comments. They compare his perspective to Mary Kay Cabot's report that a move is unlikely while analyzing how a potential trade would affect Deshaun Watson and the team's future. 01:30 - Myles Garrett Trade Speculation 03:42 - Mary Kay Cabot's Reporting 06:25 - Trade Impact on Roster 09:38 - Garrett's Contract and Loyalty

Mary Kay Cabot joined Baskin and Phelps to talk about what she saw in the first week of OTAs and what she's expecting to learn from week 2. She talked about what surprised her, what didn't surprise her, who she thinks is the front runner in the quarterback competition, as well as the health status of Quinshon Judkins and the potential trade status of Myles Garrett.

Hour 3 of Baskin and Phelps

This week on 92.3 The Fan, Dave McMenamin, Danny Green, and Jonathan Macri break down exactly what the Cavs need to do to fight their way back into the series. Plus, Mary Kay Cabot joins the show for a Browns OTA check-in to address the mounting quarterback questions and those buzzing Myles Garrett trade rumors.

This week on 92.3 The Fan, Dave McMenamin, Danny Green, and Jonathan Macri break down exactly what the Cavs need to do to fight their way back into the series. Plus, Mary Kay Cabot joins the show for a Browns OTA check-in to address the mounting quarterback questions and those buzzing Myles Garrett trade rumors.

This week on 92.3 The Fan, Dave McMenamin, Danny Green, and Jonathan Macri break down exactly what the Cavs need to do to fight their way back into the series. Plus, Mary Kay Cabot joins the show for a Browns OTA check-in to address the mounting quarterback questions and those buzzing Myles Garrett trade rumors.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima dissect the Cavaliers' historic collapse against the Knicks and debate if Kenny Atkinson's coaching decisions are hurting the team's momentum. They explore the dynamic at Browns OTAs with Mary Kay Cabot and analyze the Guardians' success with a focus on Tanner Bibee's pitching performance. Tim Legler also joins the conversation to provide a national perspective on the Eastern Conference Finals and Donovan Mitchell's late-game energy. 02:33 - Hard Luck For Tanner Bibee 07:18 - Memories Of Steroid Era Baseball 13:42 - Analyzing The Cavs' Game 1 Meltdown 23:44 - NBA Superstars And Playoff Drama 31:50 - Quincy Williams' Defensive Mindset 37:10 - Monken And Garrett's Lack Of Meeting 50:53 - Small Business Sandwich Price Debate 58:12 - Is Game 2 Do Or Die? 01:08:30 - Guardians' Rise To American League Elite 01:16:11 - Harden, Garland, And Atkinson's Shade 01:28:50 - Mary Kay Cabot On Browns QB Competition 01:36:02 - Joel Bitonio's Future With The Browns 01:47:40 - Deion Sanders' Influence On The Browns 01:56:07 - Tim Legler Breaks Down The Cavs 02:06:37 - Donovan Mitchell's Fourth Quarter Struggles 02:17:26 - Debating The "Gassed" Narrative 02:26:36 - Patrick Beverley Defends The Cavs

Browns beat reporter Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com joins Ken and Lima to sort through the OTA noise, confirming Watson took more first-team snaps early but Shedeur got the critical 11-on-11 period that matters most, which means the competition is real even if the optics favor the veteran. The Myles Garrett absence debate gets a definitive answer from Mary Kay — there's simply a different set of rules for generational players, and Todd Monken himself has said it's not a big deal. Judkins looking explosive in 11-on-11 is the best Browns news of the week, Petonio's future remains a genuine mystery, and Mary Kay draws the line on the Game 1 collapse being a Drive or Fumble-level moment — only if they lose the series does it belong in that conversation.

Kenny Atkinson defends James Harden's role with the Cleveland Cavaliers while suggesting they would not have advanced past the first round without him. Mary Kay Cabot joins to provide updates on the Browns' quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They also discuss the implications of Deion Sanders communicating with the coaching staff and the future status of veteran Joel Bitonio. 01:20 - Atkinson Defends James Harden 04:45 - Harden Versus Darius Garland 07:55 - Harden's Impact On Frontcourt 11:45 - Browns Quarterback Battle Update 16:45 - Myles Garrett Voluntary Absence 20:05 - Joel Bitonio Career Future 23:25 - Deion Sanders Coaching Input 28:30 - Brennan Sorsby Gambling Controversy 35:40 - Final Cavs Pressure Thoughts

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken and Anthony to breakdown why the Browns are committed to winning now rather than rebuilding or trading Myles Garrett. They also evaluate the Cavaliers' grit in their latest win and discuss the comedic debate surrounding Max Strus. 02:03 - Max Strus and Cavs Win 06:54 - Atkinson Late Game Decisions 10:39 - Browns Youth Movement Debate 18:18 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 23:22 - Cleveland Quarterback Competition 32:02 - Barkley on Max Strus 36:24 - Browns 2026 Competitive Window

Ken and Anthony recap the Cavaliers' thrilling Game 5 road victory over the Pistons, calling it their most inspiring win since 2016. They discuss the impact of James Harden and Max Strus before welcoming Mary Kay Cabot to debate the Browns' quarterback situation and NFL schedule release. They also rank the best-looking players on the Cavaliers roster following comments from Charles Barkley. 01:50 - Cavs Road Victory 10:15 - Restoring Fan Trust 18:20 - Bickerstaff Ref Rants 28:10 - Harden Trade Validation 36:40 - Final Play Controversy 48:40 - Detroit Radio Reaction 57:10 - Browns Quarterback Debate 01:05:45 - Bernie Kosar Audio 01:15:40 - Guardians Sweep Analysis 01:25:55 - Kenny Atkinson Philosophy 01:37:45 - Mary Kay Cabot 01:47:35 - QB Expert Ranking 01:57:15 - Miles Garrett Rumors 02:09:30 - Harden Turnover Acceptance 02:18:50 - Playoff Intensity Discussion 02:31:15 - Strus Pretty Man 02:37:00 - Best Looking Cavaliers

Mary Kay Cabot joins to break down the Browns' offseason philosophy, making clear the organization is going all-in on winning now — not tanking for 2027 — with Myles Garrett staying put and the QB job going to whoever gives them the best shot. She also throws cold water on the endless quarterback debate, noting that nobody outside the building truly knows what's happening in those meeting rooms. The segment closes on a lighter note with Charles Barkley's postgame commentary on Max Strus's looks sparking a spirited debate that Mary Kay happily weighed in on.

Ken and Lima analyze the Cleveland Browns' rebuild timeline and the likelihood of the organization trading star defensive end Myles Garrett. They discuss insights from Mary Kay Cabot regarding the team's commitment to Garrett while briefly addressing James Harden's turnovers.

Ken and Lima decide it is time to establish once and for all whose opinion actually counts when it comes to the Browns quarterback debate, putting together a blue ribbon panel that includes Bernie Kosar, Joe Thomas, John Greco, Mary Kay Cabot, Kirk Herbstreit, Albert Breer, Jarvis Landry, Brady Quinn, and several others while firmly keeping Johnny Manziel off the list despite a spirited debate. Bernie Kosar's take gets played on air, with the Cleveland legend sounding healthier than he has in years and offering measured support for Shadeur Sanders while noting that last year's offense gave any quarterback almost no chance to succeed. Ken and Lima also briefly tease the Knicks series ahead, with Ken making the point that Karl-Anthony Towns playing point center is going to run directly into Evan Mobley, and that Jalen Brunson is a matchup the Cavs can exploit.

Ken and Lima field calls on the LeBron debate before pivoting to the Browns, where Ken makes the case that all the buzz around sixth-round pick Taylen Green is not hype for hype's sake but a symptom of real desperation to fix an offense that has been holding back one of the top five defenses in the NFL. Mary Kay Cabot weighs in with cautious optimism that Green could actually see the field early in short-yardage situations if he cleans up his turnover issues, which Ken takes as validation that this is a legitimate conversation worth having. Ken also points out that the AFC North is more beatable than it has been in years, with questions surrounding Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and the Ravens post-Harbaugh, making the urgency to fix the offense right now even more acute. The bottom line from Ken is blunt: every year you waste without a quarterback is another year you're burning down a great defense that will not last forever.

On this Thursday edition of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington go into the news that reportedly Deshaun Watson holds a slight edge over Shedeur Sanders for the QB1 spot per Mary Kay Cabot. Plus, the guys predict Mike Vrabel's situation by season opener time, discuss the Rockets possibly coming back to beat the Lakers as it gets interesting, we have a LIV Tour edition of ICYMI, and more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.