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Ken and Lima wade through social media reactions to the Sorsby debate, including a conspiracy theory that the Browns are secretly interested in Sorsby and already have a Shedeur Sanders trade lined up as an exit. Ken keeps returning to one central argument — that the Myles Garrett trade was the Browns' loudest possible admission that they don't believe in their quarterback room, and no amount of Shedeur loyalty changes that reality. Lima presses Ken on his broader pattern of rejecting every quarterback option without fully committing to any alternative, and Ken concedes the criticism has merit while insisting his standard is finding the right answer rather than just a different one. The guys also touch on the Cavs offseason, with Ken skeptical the Giannis pursuit is real but unwilling to rule out Koby Altman pulling off another surprise.
Fresh off Ryan Wilson's emphatic endorsement of Sorsby's talent, Ken grudgingly steelmans the pro-Sorsby argument — pointing out that Arch Manning could stay in college, Dante Moore could bust, and the Browns might be left with nothing if they pass on a guy scouts take 10 out of 10 times over the most hyped quarterback in the 2027 class. Ken also plays a clip of Texas Longhorns coach Steve Sarkisian leaving the door open on Arch returning to college, which only adds more uncertainty to the premise that the 2027 draft class will deliver a clean solution. Despite walking himself to the edge, Ken still lands on skepticism, arguing the Browns haven't earned the right to be anyone's reclamation project at quarterback. Lima praises Ken for staying open-minded while pushing back on the notion that wanting to get the position right is the same as perpetuating an "anybody but Shedeur" narrative.
Ken and Lima react to CBS Sports analyst Emory Hunt's bold 10-win prediction for the Browns, which he's making with Shedeur Sanders as the starting quarterback. Ken pushes back hard, arguing that Shadeur hasn't earned the job and that his late-season wins came on the back of a defense led by Myles Garrett — not anything Sanders did at quarterback. The debate spills into whether it's fair to keep calling Shedeur a fifth-round pick, with Ken maintaining that the draft position is relevant context while Lima and Hunt's argument is that critics are being disingenuous by holding his round against him. Ken also takes a shot at the media coverage of the quarterback competition, saying the press conference questions didn't dig deep enough to expose how unsettled the situation really is.
Emory Hunt of CBS Sports joins Afternoon Drive on The Fan. He talks about why he has the Browns winning 10 games in 2026, the quarterback competition, the improved wide receiver room, and more.
Joe DeLeone of A to Z Sports joins Afternoon Drive on The Fan. He talks about the scenes in New York after the Knicks won the NBA Finals, Brendan Sorsby's situation at Texas Tech, his take on the Browns quarterback competition, and more.
Discutimos el duelo de QBs en Cleveland Browns, los problemas de Cam Ward en Titans y más reportes NFL.=============
On this episode of the Best Podcast Available, play-by-play voice Andrew Siciliano talks to Browns QB Shedeur Sanders and OL Elgton Jenkins to get their recap on how the offense looked during minicamp week! Andrew and Jason Gibbs also take a look at the offense as a whole and discuss what we can expect when training camp rolls around.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Daryl and Lima fire back at Jonathan Peterlin after he called it "stupid" to suggest Shedeur Sanders might benefit from starting the season as a backup, with Lima defending his stance that starting Watson week one is the easiest and most likely path for the Browns. Lima breaks down why he has zero confidence Watson can return to form after playing just 19 games in six years, but also why throwing Shedeur into a messy situation too soon could do real damage to his career and trade value. It's a genuine split of opinion on the most important question facing the Browns heading into training camp.
Daryl and Lima debate whether the 24/7 social media content machine surrounding both Browns quarterbacks is a sign of the times or a distraction, with callers firing back on both sides. The guys push back on the idea that Shedeur was set up to fail last year, arguing that unlike 2024's four-quarterback circus, he's getting a legitimate first-team shot this time around. Lima's bottom line: if Shedeur doesn't win this job, it's on Shedeur and nobody else.
Daryl and Lima take calls from fired-up fans pushing back on Daryl's criticism of the social media circus surrounding both Browns quarterbacks, with callers split on whether the film crews are a harmless modern reality or a genuine distraction. Daryl makes his position crystal clear: he likes Shedeur personally, wants him to win the job, but believes anything that isn't purely football right now is a waste of a golden opportunity. With Coach Riz up next to break down who's actually winning the QB battle throw by throw, the stakes couldn't be higher.
Lance Reisland joins Daryl and Lima with his most detailed scouting report yet from OTAs and minicamp, breaking down why he'd start Deshaun Watson week one while making clear Shedeur has quietly become a much better practice player than he was a year ago. Riz raves about the young receiver trio of Denzel Boston, KC Concepcion, and Isaiah Bond, arguing Boston has legitimate number one receiver potential and that Harold Fannin forces defenses into impossible coverage decisions. He also breaks down why Monken's player-first offense is a complete departure from Stefanski's system, and why the 4-3 scheme is actually a better fit for Jared Verse than anything he ran in LA.
Daryl Ruiter and Anthony delve into the Cleveland Browns training camp, focusing on the quarterback duel between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They welcome analyst Coach Riz to break down the nuances of Todd Monken's new offensive system and the impressive performances of young receivers. The conversation also explores the defensive impact of Jared Verse and the high stakes of upcoming joint practices. 02:23 - World Cup Debate 07:31 - Shedeur Sanders Discussion 13:39 - Coach Riz Interview 20:31 - QB Competition Insights 25:32 - Todd Monken Offensive System 33:14 - Practice Observations Recap 38:18 - Joint Practice Importance
Daryl Ruiter and Anthony Lima debate whether Shedeur Sanders should begin the season as the starting quarterback or develop behind Deshaun Watson. They analyze Todd Monken's coaching style and the unique pressure of having film crews follow the team's quarterbacks.
Anthony Lima and Daryl Ruiter analyze the ongoing Cleveland quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders, and Dylan Gabriel. They discuss Todd Monken's coaching intensity and the potential for a Week 1 starter. Additionally, they reveal the surprisingly modest appearance fees for NBA halftime legend Red Panda. 02:12 - Watson Mechanics And Athleticism 04:44 - Monken Ranking The Quarterbacks 08:09 - Browns Quarterback Competition Update 12:25 - Historical Quarterback Battle Comparisons 17:27 - Kevin Stefanski Closure Debate 21:11 - Veterans Practice Attendance Policy 26:24 - Face Of The Franchise 35:23 - Red Panda Halftime Salary
Lima and Daryl debate whether the Browns' QB competition is already decided in Monken's head, with Daryl believing someone is quietly in the lead heading into training camp. The guys break down why the Browns haven't had a true franchise quarterback since Baker Mayfield, leaving the face of the team to guys like Denzel Ward and the newly acquired Jared Verse. With Watson's baggage and Shedeur still proving himself, Todd Monken's only concern is who gives them the best chance to score, fans be damned.
Former Browns offensive lineman Jason Pinkston joins Afternoon Drive on The Fan. He talks about Joel Bitonio's retirement, why it's too early to tell at this stage who's ahead in the quarterback competition, his expectations for Spencer Fano's rookie year, and more.
Ken and Anthony react to Mary Kay's bombshell that Watson actually led the QB competition early on, debating whether Shedeur closing the gap is a good sign or just a product of Watson looking unplayable. Ken makes his most pointed argument yet that starting Shedeur by default would be doing him a disservice, reiterating that going from the veteran to the young guy is always easier than the reverse. Plus, Ken teases a potential Andrew Berry move that could make him one of the best GMs in Browns history if it comes to fruition.
Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze Deshaun Watson's first press conference in 20 months and his hints about internal conversations regarding the starting quarterback role. They debate the competition between Watson and Shedeur Sanders, questioning if the veteran or the rookie should lead the offense if both struggle. The segment also covers the Cleveland Guardians losing their lead in the division and a wild comeback in the NBA Finals. 01:20 - Watson Press Conference Review 05:00 - Shedeur Sanders On Practice 08:15 - Starting Deshaun Or Shedeur 12:30 - Internal Conversations On Starting 19:15 - Watson Reinvents His Game 23:45 - Todd Monken Coaching Shedeur 31:00 - Guardians Slip From First 35:55 - NBA Finals Comeback Trends
Ken and Anthony break down Shedeur Sanders' eyebrow-raising response to the Browns' quarterback competition, with Ken defending Shedeur's "it's just practice" mindset given his relationship with Watson last season. The guys debate whether starting Shedeur week one is actually in his best interest, or if coming off the bench could better set him up for long-term success. Plus, Watson may have dropped a hint about how the QB battle plays out, and the guys tease the audio ahead of the 7:22 break.
Ken and Anthony dissect Deshaun Watson's first press conference in 20 months, zeroing in on his cryptic "internal conversations" comment that has fans wondering if he's already been promised the starting job. The guys debate whether Shedeur Sanders has ever truly faced real competition in his life, and why Ken still believes starting Watson early could actually be better for Shedeur's long-term development. Plus, reports that Todd Monken lost his voice screaming at Shedeur in practice raise new questions ahead of Mary Kay Cabot joining the show at 8:20.
Ken and Anthony play Shedeur Sanders' press conference clips back to back, including his dismissal of the QB competition framing and his fiery response to a reporter asking whether he'd work out with Deshaun Watson this offseason. Ken defends Shedeur's team-first answers while pushing back on the notion that the question was divisive, arguing Cleveland media has actually been far gentler with Shedeur than he'd get in New York or Philly. Mary Kay Cabot joins at 8:20 to settle the debate on whether either quarterback has actually looked good at minicamp.
Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken and Anthony to break down the Browns' quarterback battle, revealing that while Deshaun Watson started minicamp with the early edge, Shedeur Sanders has worked his way back into contention over the past two weeks. Mary Kay offers a mild critique of Todd Monken for not naming a starter yet, arguing it would help the team rally behind one guy during the five-week summer break. She also dismisses the Todd Monken job security chatter following the Myles Garrett trade and addresses whether the Browns would consider Brendan Sorsby if he enters the supplemental draft.
Jonathan Peterlin and Jake Vulinec analyze the Cleveland Browns' quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They argue that Sanders needs a full seventeen-game season to prove his value and challenge the narrative that sitting behind Watson benefits his long-term development. 03:27 - Browns Quarterback Competition Debate 06:25 - Debating Sitting Shedeur Sanders 12:29 - Browns Future Quarterback Decisions
John Fanta of NBC Sports joins Afternoon Drive on The Fan. He talks about the Guardians struggles on offense, his stance on the Browns quarterback competition, the Knicks improbable comeback in Game 4 of the NBA Finals, and more.
Jonathan Peterlin and Jake Vulinec evaluate the dynamic between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson within the quarterback room. They debate whether a friendly relationship hinders the competitive edge required for a starting role while exploring the importance of verbal confidence in leadership. 01:01 - Browns Quarterback Room Dynamics 04:02 - Jeff Phelps On Competition 07:48 - Clocking In And Out Mentality 10:15 - Shedeur Sanders' Confidence Analysis
Dan Labbe of Cleveland.com joins Afternoon Drive on The Fan. He talks about the Browns quarterback competition following minicamp, what's impressed him most about Todd Monken, the improvement he's seen from Cleveland's wide receivers, and more.
Jonathan and Jake disagree with the narrative that Shedeur Sanders starting the season as the backup quarterback is what's best for him. Also, they react to Deshaun Watson's high praise of Todd Monken as a head coach.
Happy Thursday! Justin Zwick is making his R&I debut! What on earth were the San Antonio Spurs doing in the second half of Game 4 last night? We discuss our expectations for Year 2 of Julian Sayin as the Buckeye QB. Spencer Holbrook of Lettermen Row joins the show. Zwick shares some tales from being a part of the mid-2000s Buckeyes. Jensen Lewis joins the show for Chin Music. Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders both took the podium amid their QB competition that Shedeur does not want to be called a competition. Ben Axelrod of Front Office Sports joins the show to talk Browns. Patrick Mahomes got paid... again. We discuss Bredan Sorsby. Pro Football Hall of Famer Andre Tippett joins the show for Gold Jacket Thursday. And we Tell the Truth.
On day two of mandatory minicamp and the From the Podium Podcast, you'll hear from QB Shedeur Sanders, QB Deshaun Watson and WR Isaiah Bond.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Hour 2: Mike Florio (@ProFootballTalk) and Charean Williams (@NFLCharean) discuss latest news in the NFL including San Francisco 49ers WR Brandon Aiyuk posting a 2nd social media video being critical of the team. (00:30) Brandon Aiyuk on 49ers: "You know why they're really mad, though? Cuz they're stupid" (11:10) Vikings QB J.J. McCarthy on his comfort level now compared to last year: “Those reps being distributed are something that’s outside of my control. The only thing that I’m focusing on is that next rep, and keep it as simple as that.” (21:00) Vikings QB Kyler Murray on difficulty of learning new offense while splitting reps: “Me already being behind, not getting the amount of reps that, you know, you would typically want a guy to get. That’s probably the toughest part.” (26:45) Bengals restructure QB Joe Burrow's contract (31:00) Browns HC Todd Monken on QBs Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson: “I’m not going to name a No. 1 ... I just don’t see it after the way Shedeur’s played and Deshaun’s played, they’ve both played well enough to earn the right to compete to start.” (37:40) Rams LT Alaric Jackson arrested for felony domestic violence (40:00) Browns G Joel Bitonio announces retirement after 12 seasonsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Ken and Lima analyze the Cleveland Guardians' recent struggles, debating whether the offense or bullpen is to blame for the losses. They also dive into the Browns' quarterback situation, highlighting the growing competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. Finally, they address the unfair treatment of Dylan Gabriel by local fans. 02:42 - Guardians Blame Game 06:31 - Jazz Chisholm Controversy 12:48 - Guardians Transition Period 20:10 - Browns QB Competition 26:12 - Shedeur Sanders Surging 33:28 - Dylan Gabriel Slander
Albert Breer makes the case that it actually makes more logistical sense to start Deshaun Watson and transition to Shedeur Sanders mid-season than the other way around, and Ken admits the argument has merit even though it will drive the fan base absolutely crazy. Ken delivers a blunt eulogy for Watson's career, saying whatever made him special is completely gone and the only reason he is still on the roster is because cutting him would wreck the salary cap after all the moves Cleveland has already made. The guys close by arguing that regardless of what Monken decides, starting Shedeur is simply more fun for a fan base that desperately needs something to get excited about after trading away Myles Garrett.
Ken and Lima riff on OTA observations, with the receiver room drawing genuine praise from beat reporter Zegura, who says defenders are already noticing a night-and-day difference in playmaking ability. The bigger news is Albert Breer basically no-selling the narrative that Shedeur has taken a significant leap, with the Browns privately pumping the brakes on any quarterback competition storyline. Ken tries to introduce a useful litmus test for grading camp throws, which immediately devolves into an argument about whether anyone is capable of being honest about a quarterback they want to succeed.
Ken and Lima dig into whether the Shedeur vs. Watson competition is genuine or just another round of Cleveland fans talking themselves into false hope, with sources suggesting it may be less about Shedeur surging and more about Watson looking genuinely bad in shorts and t-shirts. Ken makes the pointed observation that if a fifth round rookie is pushing a former 12th overall pick who has every natural advantage, that says everything you need to know about where Watson is right now. Bottom line: Ken is cautiously optimistic this is a real fight, and says it is going as well as it possibly could for everyone who just wants to move on from the Deshaun era.
Todd Monken refused to name a starter after minicamp, but the tea is already spilling with Shedeur Sanders taking first-team reps. Ken and Lima break down Albert Breer's measured response to the loaded question of whether Shedeur is genuinely surging, or if the media is just seeing what it wants to see. The real question isn't who starts Week 1 but whether the Browns' 2027 QB is even on the roster yet.
Ken and Lima explore the Guardians' recent slump and the 'overrated' narrative surrounding Jazz Chisholm Jr. They analyze the intensifying quarterback competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, while also debating the controversial gambling case involving Brendon Sorsby. The segment features in-depth AFC North updates and an interview with Nathan Zegura regarding the Browns' training camp progress. 02:15 - Guardians Bullpen Struggles 06:32 - Chisholm Overrated Chants 12:25 - Offensive Slump Analysis 18:00 - Roster Transition Goals 24:00 - Shedeur vs Deshaun Watson 31:40 - Dylan Gabriel Slander 37:00 - Fresh Start for Gabriel 44:20 - Sorsby Gambling Case 53:00 - College Football Ethics 59:00 - Fixing vs Gambling Debate 01:05:30 - Sorsby Legal Status 01:12:40 - Bitonio HOF Case 01:22:10 - Ravens Offseason Update 01:27:05 - Bengals Defensive Issues 01:31:30 - Steelers QB Delusions 01:42:00 - Legit QB Competition 01:50:40 - Jazz Chisholm Villain Role 02:01:15 - Zegura Mini-Camp Report 02:09:20 - Assessing Sorsby's Talent 02:26:45 - Camp Throw Litmus Test
Jonathan Peterlin and Jake Vulinec evaluate the Cleveland Browns' quarterback battle, questioning if Shedeur Sanders has taken the lead over Deshaun Watson after impressive practice performances. They also analyze the NBA playoff landscape, Victor Wembanyama's physical workload, and the financial barriers for diehard fans at Madison Square Garden. 01:00 - Browns Quarterback Competition Debate 05:56 - NBA Finals Ratings Success 09:50 - Wembanyama and Ticket Prices
Shedeur Sanders addresses his development and relationship with Todd Monken during a press conference. He emphasizes a team-first mentality and dismisses external narratives regarding a quarterback competition with Deshaun Watson. Jonathan Peterlin and Jake Vulinec later compare this approach to the more cutthroat nature of veteran NFL players like Joe Flacco. 01:00 - Todd Monken Voice Loss 02:54 - Shedeur Sanders Press Conference 04:15 - QB Competition Perspective 10:15 - Training Camp Team Energy 15:41 - Analyzing Shedeur's Mentality
Jonathan Peterlin and Jake Vulinec analyze the training camp competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They examine Andrew Berry's recent interview regarding the quarterbacks' progress and debate the physical and mental state of the veteran Watson. 01:00 - Browns Quarterback Competition 05:45 - Andrew Berry Assessment 13:03 - Caller Discusses Quarterback Battle
Andy and Jeff debate whether they'd like to see Shedeur or Deshaun win the quarterback battle.
The Wednesday Kenny & JT Show is underway following the slumping Guardians' 8-4 loss to the Yankees. Shedeur and Deshaun spoke at Browns mandatory mini-camp. Of course the NBA Finals continue. That and more coming up...
Ken and Lima analyze the aftermath of the Myles Garrett trade, debating whether the Cleveland Browns received enough value in return. The discussion also shifts to Shedeur Sanders and the pivotal week ahead as he competes for the starting quarterback role under Todd Monken.
Nick and Jonathan talk about the impact that minicamp will have on the Browns quarterback competition. Also, they react to Todd Monken's press conference, and they discuss the Knicks loss in Game 3 of the NBA Finals.
Nick and Jonathan are joined by The MMQB's Albert Breer, and they react to his comments about the Browns quarterback competition.
Shedeur Sanders is making a strong case for the Cleveland quarterback job, forcing what was once an expected Deshaun Watson lead into a genuine competition. Nick Wilson and Jonathan Peterlin analyze Todd Monken's recent comments and debate whether the organization is overthinking the optics of benching their high-priced veteran for a rising star. 01:27 - Browns QB Battle Assessment 04:05 - Shedeur Sanders Future Value 07:39 - Deshaun Watson Sunk Cost
The MMQB's Albert Breer joins Afternoon Drive on The Fan. He talks about the Browns quarterback competition, Joel Bitonio's retirement, the importance of one helmet players, and more.
Ken and Anthony dig into the Browns QB battle at minicamp, where neither Deshaun Watson nor Shedeur Sanders has done enough to separate himself, with both guys throwing interceptions in t-shirts and shorts. The guys agree that if the race truly is neck and neck, the tiebreaker naturally favors Shedeur since the Browns have already signaled through the Myles Garrett trade that they are building toward the future, not the present. Ken warns that Todd Monken is walking a tightrope no matter which way he goes, because picking the wrong starter at the beginning of the season could define his entire tenure as Browns head coach.
Insider Daryl Ruiter joins the show and shuts down any Baker Mayfield reunion talk immediately, saying the Browns organization had their fill of that experience and won't be going back. Ruiter also sides firmly with Ken on Brendan Sorsby, arguing the NFL treats gambling as the one unforgivable sin and that the Browns have already burned too many draft picks on risky quarterbacks to gamble again. The most surprising takeaway is Ruiter's assessment of minicamp, where neither Watson nor Sanders has separated himself, but Shador Sanders is quietly making enough noise that a QB1 takeover before the season starts is no longer out of the question.
NFL Network's Cameron Wolfe reports that Shedeur Sanders has genuinely impressed Browns personnel over the last few weeks of OTAs, with sources inside the building using the word "aura" to describe what he's bringing to the room. Ken breaks down why this week's mandatory minicamp is the biggest week of Shador's career, as Todd Monken is expected to head into training camp with a much clearer picture of who his starter will be. The guys agree that if the race is truly neck and neck, the tiebreaker has to go to Shedeur, because Watson starting and failing would be the worst possible outcome for everyone involved.
Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze reports of a tightening quarterback competition between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They also discuss the arrival of the Big Boy 4014 steam engine in Ohio and evaluate the recent performance of Stephen Kwan and the Guardians. 01:50 - Shedeur Sanders QB Race 05:40 - Johnny Manziel Comparisons 10:00 - Browns Quarterback Future 13:55 - Big Boy Steam Engine 19:50 - Train Safety Precautions 23:30 - Carman Family Train Stories 26:15 - NBA Playoffs Analysis 34:20 - Guardians Baseball Discussion 38:45 - Cleveland Pitching Staff