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North Korea is the Impossible State. Each week join the people who know the most about North Korea—The Center for Strategic and International Studies’ Victor Cha, Mike Green, and Sue Mi Terry—for an insider's discussion with host H. Andrew Schwartz about the United States’ top national security priority. Email your questions to ImpossibleState@csis.org.

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    • May 6, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • every other week NEW EPISODES
    • 35m AVG DURATION
    • 132 EPISODES

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    The Impossible State podcast provides a valuable nonpartisan perspective on one of the most pressing and complex issues in international relations today - North Korea. As we navigate a new era of diplomacy with this enigmatic country, it is crucial to have access to experts who have firsthand experience and insights into the inner workings of North Korea. This podcast delivers just that, as the CSIS experts who host the show have all been in the room with North Koreans in the past. They bring a wealth of knowledge and expertise to their discussions, offering listeners an objective point of view on the latest developments.

    One of the best aspects of The Impossible State podcast is its ability to provide up-to-date information on North Korea from reliable sources. Westerners often struggle to find trustworthy insights due to limited access and outdated or distorted information. This podcast fills that gap by delivering timely and objective analysis of events as they unfold. Listeners can trust that they are getting accurate information from experts who have a deep understanding of North Korean affairs.

    Moreover, the podcast offers a unique perspective on North Korea by delving into its status as both an "Impossible State" and an "Unknown State." This distinction sheds light on the challenges faced when trying to understand and engage with North Korea. By exploring these complexities, listeners gain a deeper appreciation for why previous attempts at diplomacy have been unsuccessful and what might be different this time around.

    While The Impossible State podcast excels in many areas, there are some potential drawbacks worth mentioning. For instance, although the hosts are well-versed in their subject matter, sometimes their discussions can become overly technical or jargon-heavy. This may be intimidating for casual listeners or those new to the topic. Additionally, while objectivity is emphasized throughout, it is important for listeners to recognize that no perspective can ever be completely free from bias.

    In conclusion, The Impossible State podcast offers an invaluable resource for anyone interested in understanding the intricacies of North Korean politics and diplomacy. By providing access to experts who have firsthand experience with North Korea, the podcast offers an objective and up-to-date perspective on this complex issue. While there may be some occasional technical language and a need for critical thinking regarding bias, overall the podcast is informative, engaging, and highly recommended for those seeking a deeper understanding of North Korea.



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    Is Trump ready to Re-engage with North Korea?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 6, 2025 38:20


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha, Mr. Sydney Seiler, and Ms. Yuki Tatsumi discussed the Trump administration's policy toward North Korea, the possibility of a second Trump–Kim summit, its future direction in relation to the United States, South Korea, and Japan, and more.

    Korea, Japan, and the Tariff War

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 21, 2025 38:34


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha, Dr. Kristi Govella, and Mr. William Reinsch discussed the tariff war, its potential impact on Korea, Japan, and other countries around the world, and more.

    The Future of U.S.-ROK-Japan Trilateral Cooperation

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2025 34:22


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha and Dr. Michael Green discussed U.S.-ROK-Japan trilateral cooperation, the Trump administration's strategy for the Indo-Pacific, and more.

    The Constitutional Court Decides Yoon's Fate

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2025 46:37


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha, Yoojin Kim, Andrew Yeo, and Darcie Draudt-Véjares discussed the analysis of the Constitutional Court's unanimous decision on President Yoon Suk Yeol's impeachment.

    Can Korea Manage Economic Security and Supply Chain Challenges?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 21, 2025 40:57


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha and Dr. Hyo-young Lee discussed Korea's economic security issues, supply chain challenges, the future of U.S.-ROK economic cooperation under the new Trump administration, and more.

    When Will the Korean Impeachment Crisis End?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2025 37:45


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha, Ms. Yoojin Kim, and Mr. Eunjoong Kim discussed South Korea's ongoing political crisis, the future direction of President Yoon Suk Yeol's impeachment, the possibility of a new South Korean government, and more.

    Implications of South Korea's Political Crisis for Foreign Policy

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2025 47:02


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha, Ambassador Kathleen Stephens, and Dr. Kang Choi discussed how South Korea's current political crisis will impact its foreign policy and its relations with the United States, its neighbors, and more.

    North Korean Troops in Russia: Comrades in Arms or Cannon Fodder?

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 7, 2025 47:02


    In this episode, Mr. Sydney Seiler and Dr. Seth Jones discussed North Korea and Russia's cooperation for the war in Ukraine, North Korea's deployment of soldiers to support Russia, the Trump Administration's policy to weaken North Korea-Russia cooperation, and more. 

    What's Next for the Korean Peninsula Under Trump 2.0?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 24, 2025 38:23


    In this episode, Dr. Ellen Kim and Mr. Sydney Seiler discuss the DPRK's recent and anticipated actions, the potential for exploitation of ROK political developments, US policy toward the North under a second Trump administration, and more. 

    South Korea's Political Crisis

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2024 48:23


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha, Dr. Darcie Draudt-Véjares, and Mr. Bruce Klingner discuss the current political situation in South Korea. Topics will include updates on President Yoon's martial law, his impeachment, what's next for the Korean peninsula and US-ROK alliance, and more. 

    Special Discussion with Secretary General Yongho Tae

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 15, 2024 40:47


    In this episode, Mr. Sydney Seiler and Secretary General Yongho Tae discuss the latest developments in North Korea. Topics will include updates on North Korean human rights issues, South Korea's policy toward North Korea, and the current situation in North Korea.

    Crossing the Rubicon: North Korea Sends Troops to Russia

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 1, 2024 46:10


    In this episode, Andrew Schwartz, Victor Cha, and distinguished guests discuss the Kremlin's motivations, the potential impacts on the battlefield in Ukraine, what North Korea is likely to receive in return, how Beijing may perceive this development, and more.

    The Spiral of Tensions: North Korea, Russia, and Ukraine

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2024 46:22


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha, Dr. Duyeon Kim, and Mr. Sydney Seiler discuss recent developments regarding North Korea's sending troops to Russia, North Korea blows up inter-Korean roads near the border, North Korea's new constitution, and more.

    The Black Box

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 26, 2024 30:22


    In this episode, Andrew Schwarz and Victor Cha discuss Dr. Victor Cha's new book, The Black Box: Demystifying the Study of Korean Unification and North Korea.

    Recent Developments in North Korea

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2024 48:47


    In this episode, Dr. Cha and Mr. Bruce Klingner discuss recent developments regarding North Korea's missile deployment, successor plan, garbage-filled balloons, and more. 

    A Threat Like No Other - The Russia-North Korea Alliance

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2024 46:05


    In this episode, Dr. Cha and distinguished speakers discuss the significance of the Putin-Kim summit, the strengthening Russia-North Korea alliance, the implications of this alliance for regional and global security and why the Russia-North Korea alliance is a threat like no other.

    Putin's Play in NK: The Truth of the Matter Crossover Episode

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 21, 2024 16:43


    In a crossover episode with CSIS's The Truth of the Matter, Dr. Victor Cha discusses Vladimir Putin's visit to Pyongyang and why he believes the “Mutual Defense Treaty” agreed to by Russia and North Korea is the greatest threat to U.S. national security since the Korean War. Also discussed—what this means for the U.S. and its allies and how it impacts China.  

    Special Discussion with Ambassador Philip Goldberg

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 14, 2024 34:52


    In this episode, Dr. Cha and Ambassador Philip Goldberg explore the latest developments on the Korean peninsula and the U.S.-ROK alliance. Topics will include Korea's unique aspects as seen by Ambassador Goldberg; his priorities for U.S.-Korea relations; and the significance of recent regional developments, including the U.S.-Japan-ROK trilateral meeting, the Japan-ROK-China trilateral dialogue, and North Korea's recent provocations and ties with Russia.

    Breaking Bad: South Korea's Nuclear Option

    Play Episode Listen Later May 2, 2024 43:00


    This bonus episode is from Breaking Bad: South Korea's Nuclear Option Report Rollout Event on April 29, 2024. Dr. Victor Cha, Senior Vice President for Asia and Korea Chair, conducted the first U.S. multi-question polling of strategic elites in South Korea on the nuclear question. The new findings of this study “Breaking Bad: South Korea's Nuclear Option” have significant policy implications and the author provides several recommendations for the United States. 

    Assessing South Korea's National Assembly Election

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 18, 2024 44:59


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Ramon Pacheco Pardo, professor at King's College London, KF-VUB Korea Chair, and adjunct fellow of Korea Chair at CSIS, to discuss the National Assembly election results, how the election will affect President Yoon's foreign policy, and what the outlook is moving forward.

    Diplomacy or Crisis with DPRK in 2024?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2024 25:05


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Jung Pak, deputy assistant secretary of state for Australia, New Zealand, and the Pacific Islands and the U.S. senior official for the Democratic People's Republic of Korea at the US Department of State, to discuss the Biden administration's North Korea policy, DPRK-Russia cooperation as well as what to expect from North Korea in 2024.

    Biden Administration's North Korea Policy

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2024 19:39


    This bonus episode is from the JoongAng - CSIS Forum 2024: The Polycrisis in 2024 on March 3, 2024. Dr. Mira Rapp-Hooper, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Indo-Pacific Affairs, White House National Security Council had a conversation with Victor Cha, Senior Vice President for Asia, CSIS to discuss Biden Administration's North Korea Policy.

    Is North Korea Really Ready for War?

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2024 52:01


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Sung-han Kim, Former ROK National Security Advisor and Professor at the Graduate School of International Studies at Korea University, to discuss North Korea's current situation and recent developments as well as what to expect from North Korea in 2024.

    Slow Boil: What to Expect from the DPRK in 2024

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 31, 2024 23:07


    In this episode, Dr. Ellen Kim is joined by Dr. Victor Cha to discuss the Korea Chair's latest publication, Slow Boil: What to Expect from the DPRK in 2024, the likelihood of increased North Korean belligerence in 2024 and how it ties to the upcoming U.S. election. 

    Anything Afoot in Japan-DPRK Relations in 2024?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 16, 2024 44:48


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. James Brady to discuss the recent earthquake, the political fundraising scandal, and speculation regarding Japan-DPRK relations in 2024.

    U.S.-ROK Alliance Under Trump 2?

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 20, 2023 33:29


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Mr. Scott Snyder to discuss the upcoming external and internal pressures on the U.S.-South Korea alliance and what a second Trump Administration would mean for the Korean peninsula.

    Japan's Foreign Policy in 2024

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 4, 2023 40:18


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Ms. Yuki Tatsumi to explore Japan's foreign policy outlook for the upcoming year. 

    U.S.-Japan-ROK Relations: Next Steps After Camp David

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 9, 2023 43:10


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Katrin Katz to discuss the US-Japan-ROK trilateral relationship following the Camp David Summit, what to expect moving forward, and the challenges the US-Japan-ROK face in China, North Korea, and Russia.

    The War in Ukraine and Russia-North Korean Arms Transfers: What's Next?

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 20, 2023 38:50


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Ms. Jill Dougherty to discuss the current state of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, the motivations of the DPRK following the Kim-Putin summit, and China's support for Russia's war.

    The Sister

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2023 38:46


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Sung-Yoon Lee to discuss his recent book, The Sister, and Kim Yo Jong's prominent role both inside and outside the state.  

    A Renewed Axis: Putin and Kim

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 19, 2023 25:36


    In this episode, Dr. Ellen Kim is joined by Dr. Angela Stent and Dr. Victor Cha to discuss the second summit between Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin, the significance of the meeting at the spaceport, and the reactions of the United States and South Korea to this summit.

    South Korea's Role in a Taiwan Contingency

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2023 31:45


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Sungmin Cho to discuss South Korea's role in deterring North Korea's opportunistic aggression in a Taiwan contingency and providing rear area support.

    Reviewing the Camp David Trilateral Summit

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2023 54:34


    This bonus episode is from the Reviewing the Camp David Trilateral Summit Event on August 29, 2023. Dr. Kurt Campbell, Deputy Assistant to the President and Coordinator for Indo-Pacific Affairs on the National Security Council, Ambassador Cho Hyundong of the Republic of Korea and Ambassador Tomita Koji of Japan discuss the summit and future trilateral relations.

    A Week of Detention and Deterrence on the Korean Peninsula

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 27, 2023 26:20


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Andrew Yeo to discuss a U.S. soldier who crossed into North Korea, short-range ballistic missiles conducted by North Korea, and the newly formed NCG between the United States and South Korea.

    Can the Downward Spiral in China-Korea Relations be Stopped?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 3, 2023 34:07


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha and Andrew Schwartz are joined by Ms. Bonnie Glaser to discuss the relations between South Korea and China, the upcoming NATO summit in July, and the relationship between China and North Korea during the COVID lockdown.

    Deep Dive: North Korea's Missile Threats

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 14, 2023 43:55


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Mr. Ankit Panda to discuss the recent North Korea's military spy satellite launch from the Sohae satellite launch site, North Korea's weapons development, and the 7th nuclear test.

    Republic of Korea State Visit Policy Debrief with DAS Mark Lambert: Live from Georgetown University

    Play Episode Listen Later May 19, 2023 46:58


    This bonus episode is from Georgetown University's Asian Studies Program Event on May 5th. Dr. Victor Cha is joined by special guest Mark B. Lambert, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs at the Department of State for a debrief on President Yoon's State Visit to Washington and related policy discussion.

    Yoon's China Policy: The Gloves are off?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2023 39:43


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Ramon Pacheco Pardo to discuss the recent Biden-Yoon Summit from the European perspective, Yoon's policy regarding China, economic coercion, and North Korea. 

    The Biden-Yoon Summit: Success or Not?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2023 45:08


    In this episode, Victor Cha is joined by Jinmyung Kim, Washington correspondent for the Chosun Ilbo, to discuss the significance of Yoon's state visit and the takeaways on North Korean denuclearization and trilateral relations with the United States, Korea, and Japan.

    Unpacking North Korea's Isolation- The CommonHealth Crossover Episode

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2023 31:04


    In a crossover episode with CSIS's The CommonHealth, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by J. Stephen Morrison, Senior Vice President and Director, Global Health Policy Center at CSIS, to discuss an update on what we know, suspect, and do not know about North Korea still in extreme isolation from the rest of the world; the status of its Covid outbreak and response; the heightened risk of famine; and the burgeoning exchange of North Korean weapons and ammunition in return for Russian food and energy.

    Should We Sign a Peace Treaty with North Korea?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2023 45:46


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Ms. Jenny Town and Mr. Frank Aum to discuss the incentives versus pressure debate, rethink working theories around sanctions and China's role in negotiations, and explore how North Korea is affected by its changing external security environment.

    Do Sanctions Really Work on North Korea?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2023 48:20


    In this episode, Dr. Victor Cha is joined by Dr. Soo Kim and Mr. Anthony Ruggiero to discuss sanctions on North Korea, the history of sanctions, how to measure its effectiveness, China's reaction to sanctions and ultimately answer the question of whether sanctions really works on North Korea.

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