A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.
Anthony Hobday, Katie Langerman
Anthony and Katie chat about Material 3 Expressive.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie chat about Config 2025.Talks mentioned:Writing is designingThe maximalist theory of minimalismHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie are joined by design engineer Alex Krasikov to discuss .. you guessed it, design engineering.Alex Krasikov: https://x.com/alex_krasikauHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss navigation patterns.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie define the process of decision making as it relates to design.Anthony's post: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1904449738084094138Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss some differences and similarities between design and development. Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie are joined by Jamie Mill to discuss his post on the elements of product design. Jamie Mill: https://jamiemill.com/Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie each pick their top 3 most loved design techniques in the spirit of Valentine's Day.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss the book Do Design: Why Beauty is the Key to Everything by Alan Moore. Do Design: https://thedobook.co/products/do-design-why-beauty-is-key-to-everything?Format=Paperback Anthony's list of short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Dan Luu: Willingness to look stupid Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss what it takes to start designing something from scratch compared to working on an existing product, and the upsides/downsides of both. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Katie, Anthony and special guest Guy discuss design folklore: what it is, where it might come from, and how to best use it in your design practices. Guy Segal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guysegal Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie bring on the holiday vibes by discussing the past, present and future of software design. Bah humbug! New design systems podcast Katie mentioned: On Theme Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Designers and developers that have influenced us. The folks we mentioned: Stephanie Eckles Andy Bell Brad Frost Elizabeth Goodspeed Frank Chimero David Pye Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
What does it really mean to design for developers? Should you cater to power users or beginners? Anthony, Katie and Nate discuss this (and more) with lots of spicy takes and speculation. Nate Butler: https://nate.cv/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
What are the different kinds of constraints and how do they impact design? Anthony and Katie break it down into several types of constraints including: arbitrary, technical, principled, and convenient. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Jared Spool joins Anthony and Katie to discuss what it means to be a strategic designer. We cover what strategy means, different leadership styles, and the difference between outcomes vs outputs. Find Jared Spool on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmspool/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
What's the difference between customization and personalization in interface design? Anthony and Katie discuss this along with the benefits/downsides of designing for customization. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
It's a ranty one folks. What is performative design, and why does it exist? Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony shares a quote to define elegance vs. extravagance as "do a lot with a little vs. a lot with a lot". Katie and Anthony discuss how this relates to interface design and the impact it has on interaction design and product longevity. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
How might designers learning how to code impact interface design? Enjoy this extremely reasonable conversation between Katie and Anthony. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony, Katie and special guest Maggie Appleton speculate about how AI could impact interface design in the future. The five possible futures we discussed: AI replaces designers and developers completely AI produces a rough draft, a designer “tidies it up” AI builds the interface out of supplied components and a description of how the interface works AI produces content/components on demand, designers change it to suit, then put the interface together Designers ask AI focused questions to get inspiration You can find Maggie on Twitter or on the web at https://maggieappleton.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony, Katie and special guest Jeremy Elder chat about the visual design aspect of design systems. Find Jeremy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyelder GitLab's papercuts site: https://papercuts.gitlab.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie share their top habits for good interface design. Design inspiration site Anthony mentioned: https://mobbin.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie chat about the people behind interfaces, and how competing priorities impact the end result of interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony, Katie and special guest Adam Silver discuss all things form design. We try to define form design (for Anthony's sake), and discuss things like toggle switches, good/bad form experiences, and border color contrast. Find Adam on Twitter: https://twitter.com/adamsilverhq Adam's book on form design: https://formdesignpatterns.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
This week we're joined by Donnie D'Amato to discuss how design systems have impacted interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss how interface design evolves over time. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss "Just Enough Design" by Taku Satoh. Spoiler: we like it. Anthony's recommended short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss how to safely add personality to an interface without sacrificing usability. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss design feedback: how important it is, bad vs. good feedback, and the difference between harsh and direct feedback. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss different roles and responsibilities related to interface design, sharing their preferred combinations. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie analyze two quotes related to design. Anthony's quote from Frank Chimero: https://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/what-screens-want/ Katie's quote from PJ Onori: https://pjonori.blog/posts/analysis-of-style/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie celebrate one year of producing this podcast with a game: finish this sentence. Each person prepared sentences for the other to finish, all related to design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
In contrast with episode 25, Anthony and Katie discuss things they are good at when it comes to interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie share some things they're not good at when it comes to interface design. There are plenty of benefits to being aware of your own weaknesses, and learning to talk about them openly can help lead you towards improvement and/or acceptance. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss landing page visual style compared to application visual style, crossover between brand and utility, and whether or not a single designer can do both styles. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss AI and what is uniquely human about design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie attempt to define wireframing, and discuss why or why not you might want to use them. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss what makes interface design "thoughtful", including some specific things to keep in mind as a designer.
Anthony and Katie discuss commonly misused terminology, hot takes for the algorithm, and focusing on the approach instead of the reason.
Anthony and Katie chat about futuristic interface design and make some *fun* predictions. Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss what makes design feel "novel" and some strategies to achieve it. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss layout. Take our poll on main content alignment with a sidebar: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign/status/1698041067914801515?s=20 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony, Katie and special guest Lukas Oppermann discuss color. Check out Lukas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lukasoppermann. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss the various properties that make up typography. Links mentioned: https://designregression.com/article/line-length-revisited-following-the-research https://abookapart.com/products/on-web-typography Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss a listener topic around "looks pretty vs. works good". Books mentioned: Form Design Patterns, Adam Silver Designing Interactions, Bill Moggridge Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss the term “coherent” as it relates to interface design (after a bit of banter). Figma Config talks mentioned: Ashley Seto: Using color at scale for aesthetics and accessibility Duolingo: Embracing art to enhance your product CSS talk: The future of responsive design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss why visual design is valuable for your career as a designer. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss what takes interaction design from good to great. Things look like they act and act like they look Useful animation Physical/spatial consistency Speed and responsiveness Fiddle factor Context awareness Links: WWDC talk on fluid interfaces Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
Anthony and Katie discuss pace layering, design systems and AI. Articles mentioned: Nathan Curtis: Design System UI is More Expensive than a Product Team's UI Mark Boulton: The Fast and Slow of Design Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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