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Join us for an epic showdown as we celebrate SNL's upcoming 50th anniversary by taking on a herculean challenge: Hashing out Saturday Night Live's “Best Bits” of all time through a rousing and supersized 24 bracket competition.Thomas Sena steps in for an under-the-weather Bill Swerski, joining forces with an all-star panel of SNL experts featuring hosts from The Saturday Night Network, The SNL Hall of Fame, SNL Nerds, and our very own The Not Ready for Prime Time Project. Together, they dive deep into five decades of comedic brilliance, sharing personal memories and discussing the most memorable, funny, and iconic moments in the show's history.It is a debate so huge, we had to break it up.  In Part One we reveal the full bracket and battle our way through the first round.---------------------------------Subscribe today!Follow us on social media: X (Twitter): NR4PTProjectBluesky: nr4ptproject.bsky.socialInstagram: nr4ptprojectFacebook: The Not Ready for Prime Time ProjectContact Us: Website: https://www.nr4project.comEmail: nr4ptproject@gmail.com

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This week on the pod jD and Matt discuss some U2 trivia before ceding the floor to Thomas and returning guest, Ryan McNeil. Transcript: Track 3:[0:28] Ryan McNeil. And now, curator of the Hall, J.D.Track 3:[0:39] Thank you so much, Doug Dines. It is great to be back here in the SNL Hall of Fame at the SNL Hall of Fame podcast. My name is J.D., and I would love to welcome you in, but my goodness, this fall season has made your shoes all mucky-muck. Give them a wipe, won't ya? The SNL Hall of Fame podcast is a weekly affair where each episode we take a deep dive into the career of a former cast member, host, musical guest, or writer, and add them to the ballot for your consideration. Once the nominees have been announced, we turn to you, the listener, to vote for the most deserving and help determine who will be enshrined for perpetuity in the hall. And that's how we play the game. It's just that simple.Track 3:[1:36] You listen. You vote. You listen again. You complain. We've got a spot for that now. That's the SNL Hall of Fame water cooler, which is going to appear in your feed every Thursday. Day and it's going to be discussing that week's episode in a little more critical focus and view inside the context of the hall so we hope you'll enjoy that send us an email snl8 the snl hof.Track 3:[2:14] At gmail.com, So there's that. This week we have a great show. My friend Ryan McNeil is joining us. He is a multi-time guest on the show. Tends to focus on music and he is doing that once again talking about U2, nominating U2. So that should be interesting to hear. If you enjoy what you hear, please follow him at thematinee.ca. That's his blog, his movie-loving blog, and there is the podcast of the same name. Let's find our friend Matt Ardill and see what he has to say, that son of a gun. Matt!Track 4:[2:59] Diddy. You too. What do you got?Track 4:[3:04] Yeah, I mean, they're from Ireland. I think that was obvious by like two seconds of listening to them. They formed in 1976. They were formed by Larry Mullen Jr. Posted a note on his school notice board for musicians starting as a seven piece called Feedback. Uh then they started whittling away and became hype and then eventually got down to uh the lineup we know larry mullen jr bono the edge and adam clayton becoming you too now bono's real name is paul david hewson the edge's real name is david howell evans um and they're they how they got got their nicknames or kind of internet edge got his nickname from the shape of his face uh so um it's it's he's edgy um larry and adam also have nicknames which you don't often see uh larry's being yeah jam jar uh that's what they like to call him um and adam was mrs burns um i mean it's It's clear that these are names that that are given in jest because Bono's actual full nickname came from an abbreviation like Bono came from an abbreviation of his full nickname, which is Bono Vox of O'Connell Street.Track 4:[4:30] Really? Yeah, I, you know, the Irish, we're a mystery. Um now he's inspired by everything from uh Brian Eno or they are inspired by from everything from Brian Eno to Thin Lizzy to Joy Division and the Beatles um to say their their their inspirations are diverse.Track 4:[4:52] Understatement um now they kind of broke big by winning a saint patrick's day talent show in limerick in 1978 they won 500 pounds and studio time which resulted in the demo they gave to cbs records in ireland um their first release was an ep entitled three which was released only in ireland um they are very charitably minded um including amnesty international make poverty history the one campaign live aid live eight data uh music rising and goodness knows how many more charities um they are the fourth band on the cover of time magazine the others being the beatles the band and the who um so they're the only one without company yeah pretty good company and the only one without the in their name so uh that makes them unique but yeah i mean like what what other band like those are three of the best bands of all time so can't complain they're actually one of the few bands though that turned down doing a uh by john peel um get out of here Yeah, John Peele's like, no, no, I don't like them.Track 4:[6:12] Oh, they were turned down by Peele. Yeah, Peele's just like, no, I don't want to do it. The UK Tastemaker was one of the few big hits he refused.Track 4:[6:22] The others being The Police and Dire Straits. Peele shrugged it off in the not a fan category.Track 4:[6:32] Basically, just didn't like them. So they are a bit polarizing. I have an ex-wife who hated U2. So, yeah. They're the only Irish band to win a Grammy for Album of the Year. They hold the record for the most Grammys won by one band at 22. They went on to do a 40-night residency at the Las Vegas Globe, filling the 160-square-foot venue. I have to correct you. Sorry. The Sphere. Sphere? The Sphere. Okay. Yes. The Sphere. The Sphere. Okay, let's go back. No, no. they didn't just leave it let's just leave that yeah okay um they they sold 281 000 tickets uh making 109.8 million dollars get out of here yeah uh they they don't need any money they're doing fine um now apple they aren't without controversy aside from my ex-wife um apple Apple pushed their album, Songs of Innocence, with no way to remove it, which pissed people off so much. Apple had to develop a special program to remove the album after it was pushed to devices without permission.Track 4:[7:59] But in 2005, they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and have also received a Kennedy Center Honor in 2022. 22 she was very well decorated yeah so they are a band with uh the credits to to get in pretty much anywhere they want so will they get one more accolade this season in the much maligned musical guest category matt uh i don't know i don't know they are certainly friends of the show and uh they they pack a ton of credibility as far as having a worldwide band in 8h you know pretty neat kind of thing um what do you say we head downstairs, can't wait let's give it all right thomas take it away.Track 2:[9:25] Yes, JD and Matt, thank you so, so much. Today's an exciting day here on the SNL Hall of Fame. I'm going to be talking about a band that I absolutely love. Arguably, at their peak, the biggest band in the world. I'm not even sure how arguable that is. I think they were the biggest band in the world. And joining me to talk all things U2 and SNL, back for what I like to call another edition of Ryan's Music Corner here on the SNL Hall of Fame. That's kind of what I've pigeonholed him as, but like awesome musical guests. So without further ado, I want to welcome Ryan McNeil to the podcast. Ryan, what's up, my man? You know what? I just keep on trying to get one of these bands into the hall. I also just selfishly love coming by to just talk about my favorite bands. Come on back next time, kids, while I talk about Jack White.Track 2:[10:23] We're just going through the list. You know, I'm basically getting to talk about all of my favorite acts. And I'm sure there are legions of people who have met me over the course of my life who cannot believe that you gents have given me a soapbox to talk about you two. There are whole swaths of people that are saying, in the long list of bad ideas, this is a very bad idea. Oh boy, here we go. oh, yeah, that's how I can get with a lot of my favorite bands as well. You just pull the cord and then watch us go.Track 2:[10:55] It's shutting me up. That's the hard part. Yeah. Our Dave Grohl episode was a little like that, which was one of my favorite episodes that I've done. This is now the fifth season that I've been doing these conversations. And our Dave Grohl episode was still one of my favorite episodes. So I think we can handle this one. Nice. Can't wait. Yeah, me too. Before we get to that, though, you have a podcast that I love, a movie podcast, The Matinee Cast. So, man, what's been happening over on your pod? We just wrapped up a season. My seasons end in August because September for film is a little weird. So I usually just take the month to kind of reset. And I send a postcard from TIFF, which happens in Toronto the week after Labor Day. So there would have been a TIFF postcard that went out about what we saw, what the week was like, what the festival was like. And then we get ready in October for a whole new season. and I've lost count of how many seasons. I guess this would be, oh shit, this would be our 15th season actually. No kidding. Yeah. That's impressive. I'm a senior citizen when it comes to podcasting.Track 2:[12:02] I was telling Darren Patterson was on with me recently for Garrett Morrison. He does the SNL Nerds podcast and he was saying they're on their 300th episode. I'm like, you realize that most podcasts go to like four or five episodes and then quit? Yeah. So this is like, that's really impressive, man. If you hit double digits, you're doing muscle. So I, the, one of the things that keeps me going is I only do them every other week. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's true. That's only spread. Yeah. Spreading that out. Uh, so will you be covering the Saturday night movie in October?Track 2:[12:32] Good question. Uh, in the past, yes, yes, I would have been, but Tiff for me, uh, around 2016, I changed my approach actually to the, to the Toronto international film festival. And that was the first year where I was really limited to what I could see. I had a very shortened window that year, so I needed to pare things down. And I started that year only going to see the films at TIFF that were directed by women, which cut a big chunk out of the festival and really made it easier to choose how many films I was going to see. And I had such a great time that year. It really kind of gave me a new lane in the festival that I just stayed in that lane. So ordinarily, I would be. Uh, I've seen several Jason Reitman films at the film festival. He kind of loves going there. Um, and I, I love a lot of how Saturday night looks, uh, but I, you know, rules are rules. So, uh, no, so not at the festival, but I will be seeing it. Uh, and then on the podcast, I'm sure we'll be covering it. Yeah. I might, I might, I might have to bring in JD to talk about that one. So yeah, Saturday night movies coming out in October, October 11th, I believe. So I'm, I'm pumped about that. So I can't wait to hear if you have an episode about that. I can't wait to hear your thoughts.Track 2:[13:48] I'm looking forward to it, for sure. Yeah, for sure. So a few months ago, you and I were talking about what other bands we could cover here on the SNL Hall of Fame. No offense, if my other guests are listening to this, Ryan, with the musical guest, does get special treatment, I suppose, and kind of picking his brain about, so what other bands would you want to talk about? And you brought up U2 pretty immediately and excitedly. So what does U2 as a music fan, Ryan, mean to you?Track 2:[14:19] U2 is my band. And it's a strange thing to say that because I realize how many people in the world really don't like U2. There's a lot of people who love them. You know, they're still packing thousands to their concerts all over the world, including, you know, sometimes when they're just doing a Las Vegas show for a few months. Uh but there's a lot of people who hate them a lot of people who think they're overexposed their music is boring that they're still mad at them for putting music on their ipod um but i when i was.Track 2:[14:55] 13 14 years old started listening to their songs and they spoke to me and i have never really let go of them it's it's an interesting feeling now because it kind of they're not what interests me from day to day i i latch more onto bands like the national and uh kendrick lamar and saint vincent and bands like that um but you two always feels like going home um so even watching a lot of these performances were songs that i haven't actually played in some time but i know every word to so they they are my favorite band ever uh they always will be uh they're they're are confounding at times but i i love the holy heck out of them yeah yeah i love them too and i'm that way my favorite band is radiohead and i'm that way with radiohead because i don't go and listen to radiohead every single day i can go a long time without listening to radiohead but when i decide to put okay computer on it's like i'm coming back home man like the warm and fuzzies and everything so i can see that uh for sure about you too um i i've loved them um probably Probably more so in the last 15 years or so. But even when I was a kid growing up, like the Joshua Tree, I was so familiar with that album, Octoon Baby.Track 2:[16:12] So they've been a part of my life. Like they've just been ever present since I've known what music was. Would you agree? I mean, there was a time when they were the biggest, like the biggest band in the world, right? Oh, absolutely. They kind of, it was interesting because, yes, is the short answer. Yes, and to, you know, to honor SNL. Yes, and they kept trying to get the belt back.Track 2:[16:37] And we'll talk about that when we start talking about their performances. But what's interesting is right now, if you ask me for cash and prizes, who is the biggest band in the world? I legit do not know. The biggest band in the world is probably a solo act of some sort that I cannot think of a group of individuals that I would say is the biggest band in the world. I know who the biggest artist is, but like band, you're right. I couldn't name the biggest band. Yeah. And, you know, there was this lineage for a while of bands like U2 and Guns N' Roses and Oasis and, you know, and so on and so forth. Coldplay for a while, Radiohead for sure, that were, you know, capital letters, the biggest band in the world. I don't know who it is now, but yeah, U2, they've had this up and down career. It's strange to say that when you consider how omnipresent they are, but they have had these wild fluctuations in their career where people either really love what they're doing and identify with it or cannot stand it and completely reject it. And it's no in between. Yeah, I know someone who rejects U2 almost because she says that Bono, well-intended with his community service and world – essentially world service pursuits, comes off as a bit – Preachy. Preachy, yeah. Self-importance. Exactly.Track 2:[18:01] So she says that in a wrong way, but – Yeah. I say this as a fan, the band would probably be more successful if Bono wasn't working on his humanitarian stuff as much as he is. Yeah, so I know that's a critique. Before we get into their SNL stuff too, you saw them at the Sphere in Vegas. I did. And I think our listeners need just a quick review of the show that you saw, man. I went with my best friend of 35 years, who is also a big U2 fan. It was his idea. And we really didn't know what we were getting into. We were able to get tickets on the floor, which was in classic U2 style, were the cheapest seats in the house. It's like, if you want to stand on the floor, we are more than happy to have you and you can get in for less. And what is trippy about that room i say this to everybody who's listening if your band plays that venue go like pull the money out of savings and go because that room is has to be seen to be believed it's the size of a basketball arena but built for art so the problem with a basketball with any kind of venue that you see a band in is you're watching a place that's designed for sports and television, not music. Sound is not even secondary. Sound is probably third, fourth, or fifth down the list.Track 2:[19:31] The sight lines were gorgeous the screen is incredible it's 26 stories tall and the set like they just put on an incredible show it was um it was the best i've ever seen them but they were helped in a big way by the venue uh and and just again it felt like going home like all those songs just hit me anew yeah i was simultaneously jealous but super happy for you at the same time because i know how much you love you too so and in classic u2 style they turned their sphere residency into this running gag you know where people by the time they got to the end of the residency people were comparing them to the phantom of the opera that's just stuck in the sphere and cannot leave oh that's great yeah that's awesome so yeah so if you ever if one of your favorite bands plays the sphere take it from run don't walk yes yeah run don't walk go check it out um so we're gonna as far as you two on snl we're gonna do a little something different to start the show because I've brought you two up with some really big SNL geeks and they've told me the same thing like you two's awesome but SNL didn't get them like at their peak necessarily.Track 2:[20:39] So I'm like yeah like I had to concede that like they they didn't so I want to do an exercise with Ryan I'm going to take part in this too we're going to do a little fantasy booking before we get into their actual performances and for SNL hall of fame voting purposes this does not count toward the rest of the Hall of Fame. This is just mine and Ryan's kind of nerdy exercise here, brief fantasy booking here. So I told Ryan between about 1980 and 1991, if they appeared twice in that time period, how would you book those appearances and when? So I want to start, do you want to kick it off, Ryan, or how do you want to do this? How many do I get? Two appearances. Two appearances. And standard SNL, so that should guide you as to how many songs they perform. Okay, okay. So in that case, here's what I want to do. I want to go... I actually want to start earlier in their career. I don't want to go all the way back to Boy in 1980. I want to bring them in when they're touring War. war. So the war came out in 1983. Yep. 83, 82. 83.Track 2:[21:57] I should have this stuff committed to memory. And I think that would have been interesting if that was one of the episodes where Drew Barrymore hosted. And I would love to see them play Sunday Bloody Sunday and New Year's Day. Oh yeah yeah okay they're like that era of the band it's almost it's almost foreign to see now because they're so lo-fi they're much they're much more in tune with where they came from like you know them coming from ireland in the late 70s and being inspired by the ramones and the clash and you know those kinds of bands and television like you wouldn't expect that now when you watch them play and you see them being so larger than life and so anthemic, you wouldn't think that they were guys who were inspired by white men at Hammersmith Palais, but they were. So to go back to that era and to watch them be so young, so full of energy, like their songs were so fast, that I would love to see on the SNL stage. I think that would fit in really well with a lot of that early SNL aesthetic too, when it was much more DIY.Track 2:[23:11] Yep ebersole that's the ebersole era yeah still that they would have that they would have come into uh yeah as well yeah yeah i like that uh it's kind of funny we had parallel thinking right there um because for mine i i waited for them to have like three albums under their belt kind of get more and more of their name out there so i had them for war as well after the war album and i wanted to see them play sunday bloody sunday and like a song i think like a song is this energetic love it kind of big sounding i think they would they would have totally ripped like a song they would have in 8h and uh so i have them doing yeah sunday bloody sunday like a song i don't think they were the band in 83 to get the preferential third song no but so that's why only having them do two songs but i think that's a nice like sunday bloody sunday we both have because that's just like the chill inducing that's the one that you play first that's what what people know. But then like, yeah, you and I kind of differed on the second song. But interesting that we both had them around the war period of 83. Yeah. I mean, I do love when SNL brings a band in early in their career. You know, it's wild to say in this case, early in their career being three years and three albums in, arguably at the point where they cemented the fact that they were going to stick around. Because after the second record, people weren't really sure. And nowadays they wouldn't have made it to a third record.Track 2:[24:38] But yeah, that that was the point where it's like, OK, no, these these these lads have something to say. So for appearance number two in our fantasy booking, Ryan, where do you go?Track 2:[24:48] I could go several different ways, to be entirely honest. I'm going to go against my instinct. And I'm going to say I want to bring them back in 1991 when they were on the heels of the Actung Baby album, when they really reinvented themselves. I think Jason Priestley would host that show. And I would love to see them play The Fly and Mysterious Ways. Okay. Yeah, I'm curious about The Fly. The.Track 2:[25:18] Fly is so fun visually like The Fly was when they went and did this album that was so different than everything else they'd already done it wasn't as rootsy it wasn't that DIY record it was this really you know produced by Brian Eno very Berlin inspired music that actually cost them a lot of fans like there were a lot of fans that were like out at that point but The Fly was really where the band and Bono leaned into this music and it's got this like fuzz boxy kind of guitar and he's dressed up in this like patent leather with these stupid goggles and he's acting all very larger than life and very um you know acrobatic uh it it visually it's great it would be great tv yeah yeah no i can see that that's a that's a good call so you so you said you had um and mysterious ways and mysterious ways just because i think that's a song uh that they would probably like they were the the visual for that one was a a belly dancer so i could foresee a belly dancer kind of doing their thing on the stage with them yeah good call so parallel thinking for us again man so oh you went there as well i went there as well so actoon baby i went in 1991 i'm gonna give them keifer sutherland okay as the host skid row was the actual musical guest for keifer sutherland we're kicking skid row out and we're bringing you two in love it so uh so i went with mysterious ways their most popular song i think off of Vac Tune Baby.Track 2:[26:46] I think it would play well in 8H. This is my personal favorite U2 song.Track 2:[26:53] It's acrobat okay so you know you know what's interesting is that neither one of us went for one yeah i looked at one and i'm like no i want to get off of that i was like thomas gonna choose that um but um i didn't go populist this time no acro and acrobat again it would sound and look.Track 2:[27:12] Incredible um i believe i've heard them play that i don't hold me to that but it's it's it's very deep in the record. I think if it's not the second last track, it's the third from the end. It's kind of where people usually tune out, but yeah, it's a really soaring guitars.Track 2:[27:29] Oh, swirling music. Love that song so much. Very underrated song. A hundred percent. And the soaring guitars is what gets me. And that's, that's why it's my favorite you to song. Cause I hear it and I'm like, this is just like chill inducing. It's amazing. I think it would rock. I think it would just sound so good. I could imagine the lighting Bono getting so into it. Um, Ryan, I have them playing a third song because by 1991, they're so huge. I think they're going to close out the good nights and I have them playing. I still haven't found what I'm looking for at the end, a little crowd pleaser during the good nights. I can totally just totally see that happen. So I'm giving them a third song. It's going to go back to the Joshua tree. I still haven't found what I'm looking for to close it out. Okay. I like it. I like it a lot. That would set a precedent for, for you to doing a third song because we saw that a couple Double time. So. So that was fantasy booking with me and Ryan geeking out a little bit because we missed, I think a lot of SNL fans missed you two kind of at their peak. It's kind of a Prince thing. I think Ryan, like amazing artists, but we didn't see like the peak necessarily on the show. This is true. Prince, at least he showed up and then he disappeared and he came back. It was kind of like Bowie too. He showed up, he disappeared, and then he came back.Track 2:[28:51] U2, they never had that. And they went, again, we've got 20 years of their career before they show up. They're teetering on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by the time they finally arrive.Track 2:[29:06] And it's not like they weren't performing on television. It's not like they weren't doing well or doing that kind of appearance. Their music videos at the time were very known for kind of taking over public spaces. So it's, I have no idea, maybe just the stars could never align to get them in or what, but it's a really wild thing to see this band not just show up fully formed, because we've talked about that on this show before, but just show up several rounds, it's like several peaks and valleys into their career.Track 2:[29:39] And that they had interaction on stage with a couple of, or with at least one or two SNL characters. Didn't Wayne and Garth kind of do some sort of cross thing with them on MTV? They did. Yeah. There was a, there was the MTV awards one year, Dana Carvey hosted it. And at one point he came out as Garth and he got to drum with them. They were, the funny thing is they were like from, by satellite from whatever live concert they were doing. Right. But he was drumming like really live because at the time it was the Zoo TV tour where he He was like flipping channels and like the TV part of it was very big. And at one point he flipped to Garth and Garth was drumming with them. Yeah, that's so cool. So there's a little bit of an SNL connection. Yeah, they're in early 90s. But when they first made their debut and I said the SNL fans missed out, they didn't miss out on great performances. Certainly. They just kind of missed out on like when U2 was like the biggest band in the world kind of band. Yeah, they missed out on eras is what they missed out on. To steal the label of the current biggest artist in the world. Yeah, exactly. So their first appearance, season 26, episode 7, that was December of 2000. Val Kilmer, your host. This was after they released All That You Can't Leave Behind. I think the songs that they performed completely made sense. The first one was Beautiful Day.Track 2:[31:05] Someone you could lend a hand To turn the world around To you there's my hand, I'll face the sky for the fear I'll face the future for the day.Track 2:[31:25] Down the road On record, I think it's an okay song to me. But live like I was super impressed by this one what do you think Ryan so the wild thing about this moment is this is them coming back, So the late 90s was not kind to U2. They were disappearing for long stretches. Their tours were only so-so.Track 2:[31:54] And people were already tired of them. People were like, ah, they've lost it. So then they go and they make this song that is structurally very strange, should not work. And even me as a fan, I was like, well, it's OK. And then all of my non-U2 friends were playing it and playing it and playing it. And it became this huge song in 2000 that was their big comeback hit. And you're right, live it gets additional legs. And this one I've definitely heard live several times. And, you know, even just when Val Kilmer is introducing them, you can hear the crowd is already like ramped up and ready to adore it. I noticed that too. there's like an anticipation like pent up yeah for like years yeah yeah they make it all look so easy uh what i love about this song is it shows how loud these four boys can get like they're they're you know it's just four instruments there's no extra there's no strings behind them there's no keys or nothing like that that's filling things in it's just them they make a lot of noise and they get a very very big sound and it's it's wild because they make 8h seem like an arena when they're playing this song yeah absolutely i do want to shout out the boys by name we've mentioned bono and of.Track 2:[33:09] Course on yes on the guitar edge david evans to his mother but edge to everybody else um adam clayton on the bass larry mullen jr on the drums those two are uh unsung heroes in that band they are they are incredibly talented and could do anything they They wanted to, if, if they were ever got bored of doing this job and, and they, and they shine later on, we'll talk about them again in a second. Yeah. But yeah, these two songs, beautiful day in elevation.Track 2:[33:37] They really showed off. Um what the band was ready to do like they were ready to take back their place at the top of the charts um elevation was actually kind of interested as well both of them bono has a real trick of knowing when and where he is um at all times and this episode was on december 9th 2000 which was almost 20 years to the day that john lennon was killed in new york so in both songs there are snippets of john lennon music he does um i think it's all you need is love in the first song and instant karma in the second song so it's it's he's got a real trick of knowing where and when he is at all times and kind of alluding to that so um lennon's another person who really inspired bono especially but the band for sure so seeing those two things caught on on camera was really wild and knowing where he is like to to quote like the cowbell sketch from around that time bono was exploring the studio space yes in 8h man like i loved when like there was already great energy to begin with and then bono goes into the crowd walks around messes with the camera a little bit he loves doing that he loves messing with cameras like at the so you see him alive will he kind of like find a camera that's shooting like the big screen he'll kind of mess with it too Mm-hmm. Always. That's been his favorite trick since 91.Track 2:[35:05] Oh, okay. Yeah. He messed with the Studio 8H camera. The crowd was on fire at the end of this. They really did. And it really was this wild moment in 2000 where this band that everybody had more or less moved on from, all of a sudden just came back unexpectedly.Track 2:[35:58] Their first snl appearance an event it sounded like an event you would reference their music sounds big we would use the term soaring which i think both of these songs qualify it so that both of them sounded so big on that little stage and and and it worked it just it just so like completely worked so i thought it was like an event the first time like yeah 20 years in the making and it delivered absolutely so their second appearance season 30 episode 6 mr luke wilson uh hosting a couple of days this is november 20th of 04 so it was a couple days still before they were going to release how to dismantle an atomic bomb i think vertigo was already kind of out there in the ether and being played and that was the first song that they chose again um made sense typical big U2 sound I mean sound like a broken record I enjoy this performance very much.Track 2:[37:22] We'll be right back. The, vertigo had latched into a lot of people's consciousness because it was the ipod commercial it was it was kind of this controversial moment of had you two just sold out um back you know back when that was a taboo thing nowadays that's part of that that's part of your income but um you know, for this band that was very much about altruism and about selflessness. And, you know, yeah, listen, they make money, but they weren't about selling their souls to sell Cadillacs. It was like, what do you mean they licensed their music to Apple? And the story then turned into, oh, no, no, they let Apple use it, but they didn't take the money. Vertigo. This is where Larry and Edge are playing their asses off. The bass line and the drum line of that song is deceptively good that just kind of gets lost behind that guitar riff that's so easy and bono doing his yeah yeah yeahs throughout the whole thing It's a fun song to sing along to. They play it up again, really loud, really big.Track 2:[38:30] It's it's it's yeah, it's just take no prisoners holding the belt. You know, they're the biggest band in the world again. And it's like we're not letting go. It took us seven years or six or seven years to get back to the mountaintop. We're not getting off the mountaintop just yet. Yeah, I felt that, too, for sure. And it's kind of funny because maybe it's like, I don't know, like because Bono's wearing wearing sunglasses indoors or something. He always does. Yeah. Like it occurred to me while watching this, how much of a giant rock star that he is. And that might, yeah, that might sound like such an obvious statement, but like watching him command the stage just makes me think like, oh yeah, this is what a rock star is. And you can't really learn how to do this. It's almost seems like it's something that's in you. And so watching Bono, it's like, he knows, he knows how to command the stage you referenced he he he lives for the moment so that's like with watching vertigo again yeah adam play and edge stood out but bon i looked it was like bonos of damn rock star yes yeah the.Track 2:[39:33] Amazing thing about going back to this episode after vertigo and its braggadociousness um is they come back and they play this song that was a huge single off this record but i've actually almost forgotten about it called sometimes you can't make it on your own long.Track 2:[40:16] This song is one that Bono wrote in the wake of losing his father.Track 2:[40:25] And I knew that at the time. I knew that. I follow every darn thing that the band does. But for some reason, I didn't really hear it properly at the time. And now coming back to it after my own father has passed away, this song is just dripping with grief and it's got this beautiful build um some incredibly frank lyrics that when you learn more about um bono's relationship with his father and what that all entailed which would be enough to fill a whole show um and not in a way that's the typical like angsty father-son relationship but actually a very very close one um the song gets a whole other layer so watching it in in preparation for this conversation it hit me a lot harder than it has in the past um and it's something that i i do recommend people go back to if they've never heard the song or if they've forgotten the song listen to it because it's just it's one of their more underrated songs and the way they perform it and it becomes this slow beautiful build into to just this beautiful embrace is really something special to see yeah it was great sometimes you can't make it on your own uh is the song two things that stood out to me really was like.Track 2:[41:50] Edge really shines during this performance for me i love that soaring guitar yeah that's part of the build-up that you mentioned and then it turns into this soaring guitar that edge does so well and i don't know if it's it's the guitar tone and the youtube does a lot especially live with like reverb and making it sound big and stuff like that but that's what like he's a mad professor yeah right yeah edge's guitar just totally like sung and soared to me and.Track 2:[42:18] It almost it did make me think too that even their slower songs sound huge oh yes that's an accomplishment but their slow songs have this build up and they just sound enormous like this is a band ryan that was i think you listen to boy and i think when i listened to boy which was their first album that they're already made for the arena instantly i think i will follow is the first song off of.Track 2:[42:42] Boy and i listened to that and i'm like they're made for the arena they did like they were they were aiming big they they they aimed big and they hit it yeah absolutely so you can see that in their slow songs yes as well so this is like a perfect example and i just did a segue and i didn't even mean to do that i looked up and i was like oh yeah um this song this next song would have been if we were doing fantasy booking early on i would have chosen i will follow um so i love that they did this during the good nights they got a third song what a special moment like how cool was this.Track 2:[43:54] Watch them play a song that's 24 years old at that point just you know rip the roof off the the studio the crowd is in it the cast is losing their minds one of my favorite parts one o'clock in the morning and everybody is just wrapped you know everybody is loving their them saying good night with this classic yeah i mean bono's doing his bono thing he's walking throughout eight age messing with the camera he gives a lady in the audience a lap dance and she kind of grabs him though like oh yeah she was she was like she's like fanning herself after yeah yeah she's enjoying it it was such a cool shot like you mentioned all the cast members on home base dancing he hugs amy poehler well she looks like she's about ready to like her heart's gonna burst completely she was so into you can see parnell and dratch and maya and will forte and finesse mitchell like they're They're all getting into it. What a, just the best good nights of all time, maybe. Like, yeah, definitely. Right. Very unexpected. And it plays so well. Yeah. And do you know about this? Like, um, they seemingly played more after the show ended and, and, and they moved on. I read about that. Yeah. I read about that. Like, I mean, it's the, you usually do have to kind of drag them off stage. They will keep going as long as they want to. Yeah. Uh, but they're kind of like Bruce Springsteen in that way. Uh, but, uh, yeah, they, apparently they played, they kept on playing, but I, and I, and you, And as I said, if you watch that crowd, you would not know that it's 1 o'clock in the morning at that point because nobody's going anywhere.Track 2:[45:24] No, they weren't. And I think Bono even announced, like, we're not going to go. Like, can we stay or whatever? So the camera, the show ended. And as U2 was starting another song. I don't know what song. No idea. I can probably look it up. Check the show notes, folks. Yeah, I'm sure the U2 fan community.Track 2:[45:42] It's listed somewhere. I'm sure it is. But to be in that crowd. No, I'm kidding.Track 2:[45:48] Can you imagine? Oh, that was awesome. So I will follow one of my personal favorite U2 songs, a special moment to close their second appearance on Saturday Night Live, like some legendary moments already, making up for lost time, as we mentioned. Most definitely. Yeah, absolutely. They come back not too long after, like the five-year gap, September of 2009. Five years is a long time. Let's not cut this short here. Five years in between appearances five years in between records is a very long time in this century it was a long time in the 80s like that that's one of the things that's held this band back is they have always worked very slow and for a long time that was okay when bands were taking that much time in between albums the world has sped up they have not but yeah no five years from 2004 to 2009 that is a very long time yeah i guess i because i was like oh we've been waiting 20 years since their first appearance so yeah well i mean yeah comparatively in in the music world and like to be an snl uh musical guest yeah i think five years um so people were aching for him to come back and so they had released no line on the horizon uh earlier in the year so they made an appearance in september of 2009 megan fox hosting first song breathe and i i think this is a song that i've always loved the melody i love that there's a little bit of heaviness but then it It kind of pulls back.Track 2:[47:13] There's not too much, like it doesn't like, it's not too crunchy. So there's a lot I've always really enjoyed about this song. So this appearance they're fighting like i said you know the the second appearance they're still on the mountaintop and they're they don't want to let go this one they're fighting to stay there and they're fighting hard and they're not really gonna stay there because this record is not gonna do what the last two did um the songs are for me not as good uh no i think this is the weakest of I am looking squarely at you, Bono, because musically, there is something that I would love to have. And I'm sure one way or another, I could probably get it in the age of AI. I want this record without vocals because musically it is stunning. The lyrics are terrible.Track 2:[48:38] But it's a season premiere. So, you know, if you want to talk about like what the show thinks of the band at this stage, they're giving them opening night. Night um they this is another time where they get three songs and two of the three are very long breathe and moment of surrender are both really long numbers moment of surrender like six and a half minutes yeah something like that yeah yeah yeah um the band musically though is doing some amazing things like you talked about watching edge's guitar in um in sometimes you can't make watching him play in moment of surrender is just sublime yeah yeah i agree um even larry mullen jr in breathe really stood out oh yeah yeah his drums are just drumming or gore is gorgeous it's great and that's like uh it's funny because that's what i noticed too is it's it's more so like edge and adam clayton and larry mullen jr standing out that it is bono yes here three out of four Four people did their job. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But I think the moment of surrender, so I'll say this, that's probably my least favorite of their SNL performances, which says more about how great U2 has been on the show. Yeah. Because it's still good.Track 2:[49:57] Yeah. But it's just like you're watching it. You're comparing it to I Will Follow. Yeah. To Elevation. You're comparing it to all of these great performances. It's a beautiful day. Compare it to their debut and it's like, hmm.Track 2:[50:09] Yeah. Yeah. So so but even that even moment of surrender it's long. It's my least favorite, but I'm like I'm like watching it going it's.Track 2:[50:17] So yeah so that's just don't listen to the words yeah watch three out of four and don't listen to the words and you'll love it yeah luckily i'm not like i say that as a fan what's that yeah i'm not total a total like lyrics guy too like that's the lyrics are the last thing that i'll notice in the song so that's probably to my place to my their benefit with right right um but you mentioned they did a third song again um and this is where like yeah ultraviolet like during the good nights like interesting visuals to me this is where things get cool because while.Track 2:[50:50] Most of what they do in their snl career is very small and club-like theater like this is a band that still plays stadiums uh to this day still play stadiums and not a lot of bands can put on a full stadium show uh you know beyonce can taylor can of course but i mean and i say this is a person who appreciates his music but and and you know listeners please write in and tell me what is an ed sheeran concert like in a stadium you know what i mean like i i can't i can't fathom that uh but this is a band that can still do a large spectacle and you get a glimmer of it with ultraviolet.Track 2:[52:00] This tour had this really cool like claw, this very big circular stage. Oh, that was the claw. Yeah. 2009.Track 2:[52:09] They really started leaning back towards their Acton Baby album because its visuals kind of mirrored what they were doing. And they did this trippy encore with this suit where he had like basically laser pens pointing out of every which direction. Pretty much. It seemed like little mirrors that refracted light to make it look like lasers or something. Something like that. Were they actual lasers? No, they were actually lasers. As he moved, they kept on. Like a laser suit, basically. Yeah. And this microphone that's like an old-fashioned boxing announcer microphone that descends from the ceiling. And it's like a steering wheel that also has red LEDs in it. And he swings on it and he sings into it. And this is giving you a glimpse into this is what this band does in a bigger room. So the fact that they could bring that, they could bring the stadium show to SNL is pretty damn impressive. Yeah, it was really cool. And it seemed like the production compared to their first two SNL appearances, it seems like it was a bit more. There were screens behind them, a little bit more lighting, I think. This is where SNL is starting to lean into that too, where they're getting people away from the train station and they're starting to let them play a little bit more. Yeah, yeah. And it's very evident right here. And the only thing I'll say about Ultraviolet on the negative side is I wish we got the entire thing. Yeah, no kidding.Track 2:[53:28] Right? Yeah. I mean, of course, Time, they're doing a television show, but they had to cut them off. Like, the credits were rolling and they're still doing the song. So I wish we got the whole thing. But still a cool moment. You got to see some of the visuals from that tour in 2009. in nine.Track 2:[53:44] Definitely a long time, Ryan, before they come back. It's a little over eight years before they come back. The Irish took over that day. Saoirse Ronan hosted their fellow country person. I can only assume Notre Dame won that day as well. It was a full Irish takeover. And the Celtics. And the Celtics. Yeah, exactly.Track 2:[54:05] So they had released Songs of Experience the day prior.Track 2:[54:10] Was that the album that ended up on everyone's iPhone? phone no that would be songs of innocence oh okay which basically torpedoed songs of experience by the time by the time they came back and this time they came back actually pretty quick they came back just a few years later uh one year later actually with songs of experience people were like no i'm out forget it you put your music onto my device i'm done it's so funny like yeah i don't know like you could have i think these people felt violated electronically but you could have just not listened to it or you could have just well there's that i mean the really the really wild thing is apple was the.Track 2:[54:43] One who did it but you two never wanted to get out there and say we did not do this apple did this if you want to yell at anybody yell at them and by the time they finally brought that up the ship had long since left the dock like they didn't bring that up until years later and that kind of tells you something where they're like you know if people want to be mad at us we'd rather them be mad at us we're not gonna you know get into a pissing match with a corporation yeah um the timing of this episode is interesting because this is this is around the time that uh the president of the united states is banning people from whole countries from coming to the america um they start with this song called american soul that has this really powerful intro um you know like blessed are the liars blessed are the peacemakers blessed art you know and that's Kendrick Lamar that is Kendrick Lamar and um.Track 2:[55:43] Again, you two knowing where they are, when they are, they know well enough that one of the biggest voices in the world right now is not them, is Kendrick Lamar. So they put him front and center on this track to the point where they actually let him take the track. He has a song on his damn record that takes a snippet of American Soul and drops it into the middle completely without context. Context yeah they then use it as a full song a year later um so it was kind of wild to see that and and beautiful that the first voice we hear when they're back here is kendrick lamar not bono yeah cool visuals too yeah beautiful visuals in the background um it's it's um you know it's again it's really four on the floor kind of music really driving just really energetic kind of again Again, back to what they were doing in that 2000 performance. At this point, they're just straight out of cares. They're just happy to be there. They don't care about staying on the mountaintop. They're there to champion the people that folks like the president of the United States at the time would say is worthless. And they're saying, no, you are not worthless. You are what makes this country great. You are what makes the rest of the world great.Track 2:[57:04] And, you know, we see you. I love the message. and the performance was good nothing too like chill inducing but i love the message love enjoy the performance.Track 2:[57:50] I like the second song to me. Get out of your own way. Yeah, no, it feels like a throwback in a good way to me, like a like a recent U2 song that kind of feels like somewhat of a throwback. I kind of like the melody. So I kind of dig this song. I definitely dig the song. And I do get a laugh at a band like U2 singing a song called Get Out of Your Own Way, because it's it's like, are you listening to your own words? Well, he's you know, I mean, he wrote it. You know who he wrote it for? before that one he did yeah yeah um but no you're right i mean the irony's not lost yes there for sure um the songs are flipped this is the interesting thing is get out of your on the record get out of your own way lead straight into american soul with that blessed are the bullies blessed are the liars um segue that that kendrick does so it's kind of wild that they flip them um i watching them in prep for this show i was actually thinking it would have been cool if If somehow or another they had to convince Destinel to let them play them back to back. Yeah. I don't think that's ever been done.Track 2:[58:51] But that would have been a cool experience. They're not Taylor Swift. No. Doing a 10 minute. No. But I mean, they're doing Moment of Surrender for seven minutes. Sure. Right. You know, I think they're going to be able to talk Lauren into doing it. Yeah. I found that interesting too. Like rechecking the track listing and stuff. I'm like, that was my first thought. I'm like, oh, if they could have somehow. how yeah you hear kendrick's voice at the end of get out of your own way into american soul so you're absolutely right but get out of your own ways one of those like it soars it's kind of light it's just yeah it's a it's a pretty song that's like it's it's a lot of what i love about about you too it's probably my favorite one of my favorite songs like that they've put out like the past 10 years.Track 2:[1:00:06] Those songs are underrated. There's a lot of really beautiful stuff on there. It's just at this point, a lot of people have kind of moved on. Yeah. So so the you know, the thesis at the beginning, the what we pointed out was took them 20 years from boy to their first appearance. But I think they nailed it. I think I nailed it as SNL. I mean, regardless of we didn't get any Joshua Tree songs ever on SNL. We didn't get stuff like Desire that might have been fun, but we got some damn good performances, Ryan. Which is, I mean, it's interesting because a lot of times when they bring in legacy bands, especially when they bring in legacy bands late in their career, that second song at 1245 will be an older one that people recognize, right? Like it's, let's play the new song and then let's play the encore number. They never really did that. that they kept they kept some of those songs till 1am uh when they were let but they're like no our new material holds up it's good music on its own in and of itself let's just play the new stuff and and for my money it worked even though like even as i say that the the no line episode is weird.Track 2:[1:01:16] Lyrically it's still great music and then they end it by going back to their older stuff that fits with the new music. So, you know, points for the ballsiness of saying, we are just gonna stick to the new stuff because we believe the new stuff is good. And for the most part it is. Yeah, I'm glad like a lot of fans were maybe exposed to their new stuff. Like they might've just, And like, oh, U2, I haven't really listened to U2 since like the mid 90s. And then they get this new stuff and hopefully it motivated some people to go check it out. Yeah, yeah. So do you think how much like should it factor in that they weren't on the show at arguably their peak? When it comes to like how people remember them and their SNL musical guest legacy, like should that factor in? Like, where do you stand on that? I would say that it doesn't matter as much as it might for other bands, because when they came when they did finally show up in 2000 and 2004.Track 2:[1:02:14] They were still at a peak. Peak those two records in the early part of this century they were huge and when you look back and like i say this now as a fan i say that their music is not as relevant as it used to be but when i say that it used to be i'm talking like 20 years ago so when they did show up they showed up at a peak they this is a band that's had a few peaks over the course of its career and they showed up for one of them so if we've got four spots and two of their spots they are the biggest band in the world i think that negates the fact that they took a 20-year wander before they got around to it yeah it's a good point and as far as because we've we've talked about this i mean we both champion dave grohl i i've taken it as a personal mission this season to try to get dave grohl into the snl hall of fame i'm still stumping for prince man still stumping for prince i mean Yeah, no, Dave, we did David Bowie. It's hard for musical guests to get into the hall, for sure. But why should voters really strongly consider you two for the hall? Maybe as part of the show's musical legacy, knowing all that. I'm glad you asked. There are only a small handful of bands that have had a three-song night on SNL.Track 2:[1:03:35] No other band has had it more than once. And this band got it two times. So that to me, it's like, it's like throwing a 20 strikeout game and there's one pitcher who's done it twice. So that's the kind of thing it's, it's, it's a special number in the legacy of the show. And not only have they hit the special number, but they did it two times.Track 3:[1:04:16] So there's that you know i hadn't really considered ryan's final argument there that like a 20 strikeout game they in this case you too did it twice they performed three songs twice and one of the instances that they performed we're going to listen to right now it's from the 2004 episode hosted by luke wilson the band got invited to perform a third song after the good nights and they chose I will follow. So let's give that a listen right now.Track 3:[1:08:58] Electric. That performance was definitely whole worthy when you factor in the context. And that's important. The context is very important. The musical guest takes up about 10 minutes of a 90 minute show. So I understand that they are not quite as, you know, important per se in your head as cast members and potentially writers and even hosts, but musical guests are people too.Track 3:[1:09:32] So there's that. Keep that in mind. We've got Dave Grohl still on the ballot. He should be in. I, I'm curious if the news that just broke this week will factor into his vote this year or, or not. There is not a, um, a clause in the SNL hall of fame bylaws that indicate, uh, somebody needs to, um, behave in order to go into the hall. but I digress. Listen, next week we have a great show, but before we head into that, I really want to thank Ryan McNeil for joining us again. Visit thematinee.ca for more of his work. Thomas, once again, just a bang up job. Matt Ardill in the trivia corner, just phenomenal. And then of course, this Thursday you have Joe and Shari that are going to, I don't know, No, probably continue my musical guest rant.Track 3:[1:10:38] So there's that. That's what I've got for you this week. Join us next week where we nominate Charles Barkley. We're joined by SNN super stat guy, Mike Murray. So that should be a real good one. Give us a listen. Send us an email at the SNL HOF at gmail.com. 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We're back with a new episode of the SNL Hall of Fame Water Cooler. This week Joe, Shari, and jD discuss this weeks episode of the SNL Hall of Fame. Transcript: Track 1:[0:20] Hey, it's JD here, and welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame Water Cooler. I am JD, and I'm thrilled to be here with you this week and every week. But I'm more excited to be hanging out with Joe and Shari because they've done such a great job the last few weeks. So, Joe, how are you doing today?Track 2:[0:42] I'm doing great. How are you doing?Track 1:[0:45] I'm actually pretty darn good. The sky is blue and there's clouds. I took the dogs to the beach today for a nice walk. So it's been a good time.Track 2:[0:57] Okay.Track 1:[0:58] Shari.Track 3:[1:00] Hello. How about you? I'm doing really well, thanks.Track 1:[1:05] Are you ready to talk about Saturday Night Live, guys?Track 3:[1:08] Absolutely. Absolutely.Track 2:[1:09] We got a great subject this week.Track 1:[1:11] We do have a good subject. We are talking all about Garrett Morris.Track 2:[1:17] Yes.Track 1:[1:19] Shari, do you want to start with a brief recap of the actual episode?Track 3:[1:26] Oh, certainly. It was a fun one. Thomas was joined by the fabulous Darren Patterson from the podcast SNL Nerds, which if you haven't listened to it out there in SNL podcast land, It is a fabulous podcast. They break down episodes of Saturday Night Live and in the summer and during the off times, they do movies and other topics. They just did a great interview with a crew member who does one of the film units. So really excited to have Darren. And Darren is a fountain of knowledge and he's bringing that knowledge to discuss Garrett. And making a lot of good points about Garrett's involvement in the show, how he was often a little bit taken for granted, but he was a very much an in the clutch player. And I think there makes a very good case. And Thomas backs him right up, adding that Garrett's also one of the very best singers of all of the cast.Track 2:[2:26] I learned that from the podcast.Track 3:[2:30] Yeah, I wasn't really aware of that either. Oh, he was a fantastic singer. I actually watched the episode that he was most known for where he sang a song. And he's incredible. I mean, he's an operatic Juilliard-trained singer. And you can hear it.Track 1:[2:50] Wow.Track 3:[2:51] So that's the episode. And it was a good one. And Darren made a lot of great points, as did Thomas, as always.Track 1:[2:58] Joe, what do you think of Garrett Morris as a whole? Do you think he's somebody who is...Track 2:[3:09] Now, anyone who's in that first five years, I feel deserves at least special consideration for being in the Hall of Fame. And especially since Garrett was in all five years of the first five. and the thing is uh you'll hear this a lot it was mentioned on the podcast and you'll hear it today he was very underused now i just want to also point out that he was in all five years, however dan akroyd john belushi they weren't they left uh before season five that's right but But they each got best of DVDs. And Garrett did not. So that just shows you how underused. And I feel like people, when you go out and vote, I really suggest that you give him a second look because I believe he really is talented and underappreciated.Track 3:[4:10] It's interesting to think of somebody being underappreciated and yet part of that pioneering first cast that's uh very interesting to me um especially.Track 1:[4:25] Because he stood out he stood out because the rest of the cast was very white and he was not and a lot of the jokes and and themes of his sketches were racially charged in like a in a great way.Track 3:[4:43] Yes yes agreed in an appropriate way yeah definitely i don't know that you could do it now there'd be too too much sensitivity i think, but um it was hard hitting at the time for sure i mean it was something worth addressing, yeah yeah the white guilt relief fund that i know they oh my god and i watched that a couple of times it's unfortunately edited way down and it's not that long to begin with but the part I saw was just it's a riot and that was really really edgy for 70 was it 77 yeah they weren't talking about that, They weren't talking about the book. It was a hot topic when Saturday Night Live started. Yes.Track 2:[5:28] So, I mean, that's just worth mentioning that he had to tackle a subject that was very taboo. And he had to do it pretty much, I don't want to say all by himself, I'm sorry to all the writers, but he was the only one to represent the show. There wasn't any other African-American cast members.Track 3:[5:44] It was just him.Track 2:[5:45] And he had to tackle a very hot-button issue.Track 1:[5:48] You i don't even know and this would be something if you know this send us an email uh snl hof watercooler at gmail.com and let us know if and if if shari or joe you know this like let me know but i don't know that there were any african-american uh or or any minorities, as part of the writing staff.Track 3:[6:16] I'm so positive there was not.Track 1:[6:20] So he would have been somebody looking for his own, he would have been somebody looking for his own voice, you know?Track 3:[6:26] And not only that, J.D., but he was also, as they brought up in the podcast, and it hasn't been brought up, anyone talking about Garrett on the show, he was many years older than all of them. And he was the only one who wasn't from a stand-up or an improv background.Track 2:[6:45] Excellent point.Track 3:[6:46] Which they also talked about, Darren and Thomas also talked about. He was a straight-up actor and musician. He'd come off the Belafonte Singers. And Lauren was interested in him because of his playwright experience, apparently. Which I didn't realize I learned that on the podcast. Because, you know, Thomas does his homework.Track 2:[7:08] Kevin, that background is unique for Saturday Night Live just in general. That's very unique. Usually you come from Second City, Groundlings, Stand Up, and I know it's very rare not to come from one of those.Track 3:[7:26] Yes.Track 1:[7:28] Yeah, it would be interesting to see a list of people that are, and I suspect it would be very short.Track 3:[7:34] Pie graph.Track 1:[7:35] Pie graph, yeah.Track 2:[7:37] I mean, it would be a very thin slice.Track 3:[7:39] Yeah, when I hear, because I listen to Fly on the Wall, which I'm sure a lot of our listeners do, And they talk a lot about how it was pretty divided between improv and stand-up, with the bulk being improv. I didn't even hear them discuss any that had, like, theater or serious acting background. They all came from one of the two comedy tracks. So that makes him very unique. If I were to guess.Track 2:[8:09] I would say that, like, Michael McKean or maybe Robert Downey Jr.Track 3:[8:14] True, true. you know like the whole season 11 cast it wouldn't be a long list yeah agreed, yeah I like that Thomas and Darren talking about how he.Track 1:[8:29] May be the best singer because.Track 3:[8:32] I you know like there's some strong singers that have been on the show like.Track 1:[8:35] I think of Chloe Trost right now.Track 3:[8:37] Yes but Garrett Broser why is John Lewis but I don't want to get off topic. But Garrett is a classically chained operatic singer.Track 1:[8:53] That's nuts.Track 3:[8:54] He went to freaking Juilliard. It's crazy. And like opera and comedy.Track 2:[9:00] Those can go together. I mean, if Bugs Bunny has taught me anything, it's that opera and comedy is funny. And they could have used that in multiple ways.Track 1:[9:15] Well, tell us.Track 3:[9:16] I mean, like, opera.Track 2:[9:18] They could have tackled news stories. They could have been a Weekend Update character is an opera man.Track 3:[9:24] I mean, right there. Yeah, Gers could have actually sang opera.Track 2:[9:28] Yeah, I mean, yeah, where you get an opera singer, you got M. Chandler, who did it ironically, you know? Or you could, I mean, look at, I mean, he could have just sang funny songs. I mean, look at Weird Al. I mean, that's a whole genre is.Track 3:[9:42] Like, a funny song.Track 2:[9:45] You have this classically trained singer, and that could have been a whole segment. It could have been his reoccurring character.Track 1:[9:54] Yeah, I agree.Track 2:[9:57] So basically, the whole theme of Garrett Morris or this episode is how underly appreciated he was.Track 3:[10:05] And yeah, if you listen to the other podcasts, they pretty much list the best of.Track 2:[10:10] If not, pretty much the best of everything that he did.Track 3:[10:15] And right there that should if you're gonna vote for him uh it should be off of those, and like even with the douchebag skit yeah or sketch sketch i got it right on my hand he only had one line in it and he delivered it on a bullseye yes so you have the whole grand finale uh sketch where you got all the cast members here we share bill murray everyone doing the last sketch of the last five years and only give Garrett Morse one line and I'll be damned if it's the most memorable line and not only that that's the one they always use in the clip shows of like all the anniversary shows yes I agree and that is the point that Darren and Thomas made even though he's not on screen as much and he doesn't have as many lines when he has a line or he has a bit, it is very memorable. Like we're talking about him now and that was, 50 years ago, almost. 50 years ago? Yeah, coming out. He was definitely memorable.Track 1:[11:22] Yeah.Track 2:[11:23] And then, also in that superhero sketch, he played Ant-Man. Didn't have that much lines, but was memorable enough for them to reference it in the Paul Rudd movie. So, you know, he had just a couple lines. It was like, oh, wait, yeah, that's right. Garrett Morris played him back in the 70s.Track 3:[11:46] He probably had three lines.Track 2:[11:48] And it was rememberable enough to be in a Marvel movie.Track 1:[11:53] That's hilarious.Track 2:[11:57] So, I mean, he's a scene stealer.Track 3:[11:59] Yeah, and his new president of the New York School for the Hard of Hearing, that's in every clip show they do. It's so, so funny. Again, you can't really find a lot of his most memorable stuff online. line, and I could only find one of those. I wish I'd been able to watch more. I was just saying I wish I'd been able to find more of those hard-of-hearing sketches, or bits on Weekend Update, because they were so funny, but I could only find one.Track 1:[12:31] You guys have Peacock, right?Track 3:[12:33] Absolutely.Track 1:[12:34] See, we don't have Peacock in Canada. So I don't have access to just dial back into a... I've got a whole bunch on my hard drive, like but there's a lot of them that are dud episodes.Track 3:[12:50] Okay. The character is so rememberable that they did it verbatim with Garrett Morris on Family Guy. Really? Yeah, they just, they had him come on and do that.Track 2:[13:03] Like, that's how rememberable that character or that sketch was.Track 1:[13:10] That's fascinating.Track 3:[13:12] Yeah, it's a classic.Track 1:[13:13] It really has permeated pop culture in a way that not every star or performer on the original cast did necessarily.Track 2:[13:28] Here's another way he was remembered. I just came up with this off the top of my head. Robert Smigel for the 25th anniversary show. He did a joke about how Lorne Michaels was making merchandise based on the show.Track 3:[13:41] He had the Dennis Miller talking doll he had conehead suppositories and then he also had I forget the character's name but very very good drink, Chico Azuela Chico Azuela very very good drink so again another character that wasn't used that much but was rememberable enough to be referenced in the 25th anniversary cartoon, wow Wow.Track 1:[14:12] I mean, Darren mentions him as an unsung hero.Track 3:[14:19] I agree. 100%.Track 1:[14:21] Right? Yeah.Track 3:[14:25] In the documentary, Saturday Night Live.Track 2:[14:29] The first five years, even Al Franken said that he saw Garrett in a sketch performing. And while Al Franken was on stage watching Garrett perform, Al Franken was having this realization like, oh my God, we should use this guy more. Just like year four, we just had this realization now?Track 3:[14:51] Are you joking?Track 2:[14:54] In the documentary. I mean, I remember it was Al Franken that said it. It was the show, I don't know which basketball player.Track 3:[15:01] But the sketch was the basketball player.Track 2:[15:06] The host, was sneaking around playing on a basketball team and Garrett Morris played his mom. And he was playing this mom character so well that Al Franken had a realization that, like, this guy is good. And I'm realizing this in year four?Track 1:[15:24] I'm telling you, a big part of it would have been that he would have been writing for himself.Track 3:[15:31] Right. There was nobody.Track 1:[15:32] And, sorry, Shari.Track 3:[15:34] No, you're absolutely right, JD. he was he was there on his own and they talk a lot about how important it is for cast members to find a writer who gets them yeah and garrett didn't have that there was nobody who exactly got him both because of his age because of his race obviously and because he was coming from a less comedic background and nobody could hook into that but imagine if they They could have hooked into that. Imagine if Franken had realized the things that could have happened. They could have done some really amazing things.Track 1:[16:12] I think so, too.Track 2:[16:13] Plus, it seemed like people paired up better or they didn't pair up with them. Like, obviously, Ackroyd and Belushi paired up. The girls kind of lumped together. And Ackroyd and Curtin did stuff on Weekend Update.Track 3:[16:31] And I, you know.Track 2:[16:33] It's worth pointing out that Garrett wasn't an update host.Track 3:[16:37] I think everyone else was, except for Belushi, but not him.Track 2:[16:45] He probably would have appeared out better if he was an update host with someone.Track 3:[16:51] I also find it interesting, speaking of Jane and Lorraine, I also find it interesting that Jane got in first ballot because I was looking at our current Hall of Fame, who's already in, and I thought it was interesting that the three that I feel get at the case made that they were underutilized are Jane, Lorraine, and Garrett.Track 1:[17:13] That's right.Track 3:[17:14] And Jane got in first ballot, which I was amazed because I voted for her, but she's not as well known for being on SNL as Belushi or Aykroyd or Murray. So I was happy to see her get in. I'm very sad that Lorraine's still not in. And I feel like, I fear that Garrett's going to have that same fate because people, as I said, have kind of short memories. and I really urge you to look at his stuff and vote for him if you truly believe he does but I really want to, urge people to vote for him and I want to campaign for him because he really was talented and even though he didn't have that much stuff the stuff that he did have is worthy of everyone else that's already in there, A hundred percent agree. And I also want to suggest something to you two and to anybody, any listener out there. I found his ceremony for getting his star on the Hall of Fame, the Hollywood Walk of Fame, rather.Track 3:[18:29] And it's very it's very basic like i love how bare bones it is they're in a little shelter because it was raining and they're just on the hollywood walk of fame having this ceremony it's not fancy there's not a lot of fancy camera work and garrett gives like a 20 minute speech about his career and it's fascinating stuff it's really fascinating i didn't know how much he had done And he talks a lot about his beginnings, how he was homeless for some time. So I really urge people to check that out to get a full picture of this gentleman's career, because it is really pretty amazing.Track 1:[19:10] The burden of voting is a lot. You know, you're sort of expected to have listened to the nomination episodes. episodes, and then now you're listening to Water Cooler, where we're going to remind you even more. And it's interesting. Shari, you mentioned Lorraine. She, last year was her first year on the ballot, and she got 38%. So using that as an over-under number, Where do you think Garrett will land voting-wise?Track 3:[19:48] I feel like Garrett's going to be right there with her, maybe right around 37%, 38%. It's going to be real close.Track 1:[19:58] So right around the same.Track 3:[19:59] I think so.Track 1:[20:00] How about you, Joe?Track 2:[20:02] Sadly, and this breaks my heart.Track 3:[20:05] And I hope I'm wrong, but he might be in the 20% because he's not recognizable as some of the other people and it's hard to research him and, he just doesn't have that much stuff out there and I don't want people thinking he should just get in just because he's in the first five years. I want him to get in because of the stuff that he did in the first five years.Track 2:[20:33] But if you're asking me what his percentage is, it's probably going to be low because he doesn't have that much stuff out there.Track 1:[20:40] Do you think it'll be lower than Lorraine then?Track 2:[20:43] It breaks my heart, but if I was to go above or below Lorraine, it breaks my heart, but I'm probably going to say below. It breaks my heart, though.Track 3:[20:55] I think he's a little above Lorraine because he's been in the public eye and people know him more where she's not been in a lot of things. And he's been around, so people know him. People watch Two Broke Girls. People rock some of his stuff. So I think he's going to at least be the same or a tiny bit higher.Track 1:[21:19] Well, I wonder how much influence the fact that it's the 50th anniversary this year and will be, whether or not they revisit previous things on the show. You know, there's going to be the 50th anniversary show. I suspect it's going to be with the movie. It's going to be more in people's minds. So I wonder if that'll have any impact on voting.Track 2:[21:47] That's a worthy point. And it probably will on some people.Track 3:[21:53] And hopefully it'll have an impact on Garrett.Track 1:[21:56] Yeah, that's what I mean, mainly.Track 2:[21:58] I agree. I'm agreeing with you, yeah.Track 3:[22:00] And I've heard the, I just read a Rolling Stone article just before I came on with you two, that they had seen it at the Telluride and it was a bit of a review. And they mentioned Lamorne Morris's, performance as garrett and it was one of the things they pointed out in the article so that that might give garrett a little push it's that performance is getting a lot of talk and uh that will put garrett back in people's consciousness which is a great okay yeah maybe he will be uh equal or above lorraine oh i could you're starting to sway me well i i wonder what What Lorraine will get in terms of a bump this year. Right.Track 2:[22:44] Like whether it's going to go down or up.Track 3:[22:47] I feel like I've been hearing more about Lamorne's portrayal than I've heard about. I can't even remember the actress who's doing Lorraine. Lamorne's been getting a lot of positive buzz. And I've heard he just nails it. Well, I've got a ticket to see it at the Toronto International Film Festival. Oh, so jealous. Alas.Track 1:[23:09] Yeah. So we'll definitely talk about it.Track 2:[23:11] I'll follow me and T.D. because he's going to take me.Track 3:[23:13] Right?Track 1:[23:14] If you can get up here, I'll take you. I got an extra ticket.Track 2:[23:19] Oh.Track 1:[23:20] Yeah.Track 2:[23:21] Well, Shuri's like in Michigan, so she's got a head start.Track 3:[23:25] That's true.Track 1:[23:26] I'll send my private jet over. I'll send the SNL Hall of Fame jet over.Track 3:[23:30] All right. I'll pack my bag.Track 1:[23:34] Okay. I want to know a little bit more about some of the other candidates that you guys have talked about this year. You've talked about Beck Bennett.Track 3:[23:46] Yeah.Track 1:[23:47] And you've talked about Sherry O'Terry.Track 3:[23:50] Yeah.Track 1:[23:52] Now we're discussing Garrett Morris. So if you had to rank those three, and I'm not saying if you had to, I'm going to say you have to. rank those three in terms of their likelihood to get in or get a substantial amount of the vote. And I could tell you, Oh, Beck Bennett wasn't on the ballot last year. Nevermind. So I can't tell you what he got last year, but, um.Track 3:[24:24] Yeah, I'm curious.Track 2:[24:26] I would say, if I were to go one, two, three, with one being highest, I would say it would go Shiri.Track 3:[24:35] Garrett, Beck.Track 2:[24:36] Shiri is recognizable for having multiple characters. Garrett is recognizable for being first five years, among other things. And then Beck Bennett is just newer. So he just hasn't been around as long as the other two.Track 1:[24:54] That's right yeah he's only been away from the show for a couple years too.Track 3:[24:58] I'm gonna disagree there i think back to the edge because of his recency look at how well kate did now brandon kate's in a class how did kate not get in oh yeah she's very close though i i i do think i do think her chances are good this year but sticking with back i think you're right I think he's got that recency. I think people really like him. I think people are realizing, just like with Bobby, who we're going to talk about in later watercolor episodes, people are realizing how essential these players were to the game now that they're away from it. Because I think we all took back Bobby, maybe not all, but I certainly didn't think about them. But now that I'm watching more and more of their sketches and what a pivotal role they played during their seasons. I think they're both going to do quite well, and I do think it's because they're more recent, and again, people have short memories. So I think it's going to be back, Sherry, and I think Garrett is going to be, unfortunately.Track 2:[26:07] I like that reasoning.Track 1:[26:09] I don't agree with it.Track 3:[26:10] But I like it.Track 1:[26:10] You've made mention, Sherry, as well, that you're worried that he doesn't even get the 10%.Track 3:[26:17] Yeah, I am kind of, I am worried. I did, I think I mentioned that with Sherry and Garrett too. I just, people have such short memories and Sherry was a long time ago too, but I'm hoping that with the 50th and people re-watching things, like I said, she wasn't on the 40th anniversary. She hasn't been around as much. That's not been back yet, Yeah, but I feel like he's going to be back.Track 1:[26:48] I think you're right.Track 3:[26:49] I feel like he and Kyle are going to sneak their way in, if not in cameos, in some way. And yeah, I don't think she's interested in coming back. I think she's kind of moved on with her life, which is totally her prerogative. But I think that's going to be a big decision.Track 2:[27:12] Because I like that point that you made, is that she kind of just came and went.Track 3:[27:16] Kind of like Jim Brewer.Track 2:[27:17] Who just came by, did her term, and moved on and never looked back.Track 3:[27:23] Yeah, agreed.Track 1:[27:24] Well, Jim Brewer, a little bit different. Like, I mean.Track 2:[27:27] Yeah, yeah.Track 1:[27:28] No, no, no, no.Track 2:[27:28] I know, I know.Track 1:[27:30] I don't think people look back as fondly.Track 2:[27:32] Just, you want to pick someone from that generation.Track 1:[27:35] Right. Well, I think a good comp for back might be Will Forte, who was on the list last year, and he ended up with like 63% or something like that. Will did very well. Sorry?Track 3:[27:52] Will did very well. I was surprised how well he did because he is such a controversial. People seem to love or totally not love him.Track 1:[28:01] Yes.Track 3:[28:02] How is that going to seem how well he did?Track 1:[28:06] Yeah, I'm very curious.Track 2:[28:08] Falcon, Aaron, and McGruder are very specific, either are on board or not.Track 1:[28:12] Well, I think he gets in this year because he was only three points away.Track 3:[28:16] Oh, I agree. And I feel like Beck's going to get like 60, 63% this year. Very similar to Will.Track 1:[28:24] You know, I would have been somebody who years ago would have consciously not voted for Beck Bennett. it. But man, did he ever win me over? By the time he left, I remember his last sketch was, he did Vin Diesel. It was the 10 to 1 sketch. And he just nailed it. And it's Vin Diesel.Track 2:[28:52] Just for trivia, do you know someone else that did Vin Diesel? I don't. Richie O'Shans.Track 1:[28:59] Really?Track 2:[29:00] David Spade hosted.Track 1:[29:02] Ah indeed I.Track 2:[29:06] Just wanted to point out because there's two totally different performers, that's why it's a cut in my head.Track 1:[29:15] So that's how you have them so that's how you have them ranked we'll revisit this next week and see once we add a fourth layer, where they fit in and you know we'll sort of revisit this as the season goes on like we do with your ballots I'm very curious. You guys talked about your ballots in the first episode. I'm curious, by the time we get to maybe the fifth episode, we'll revisit it and see if anything has changed.Track 2:[29:42] Okay.Track 1:[29:43] Like, Joe, you only used 10 votes, so you've got some room, if you wanted.Track 2:[29:51] I went first in the DECA system, but I'll look at it again.Track 1:[29:56] Yeah, well, Well, Shari had used all 15, and I believe she said she had two that were on the cusp.Track 3:[30:04] Yes, and Garrett was one of those two, and I really want to put him on my ballot. So many of the ones on my ballot are ones that don't have much time left, and I don't want them to fall off. I know.Track 1:[30:21] We lost a lot last year.Track 3:[30:23] We did, and I have several that are going to go this year because it's their fifth time on the ballot. So I hope they all get in, but I'm not really too hopeful, but who knows?Track 1:[30:40] Well, I think one of the things we changed the way the ballot looked last year, and we included little factoids, like last chance, that sort of thing. And I think that helped people realize. I do think that helped. Yeah, I think so.Track 3:[30:58] I'm so happy Maya and Molly got in, because that would have been it for them.Track 1:[31:02] They were done, right?Track 3:[31:04] Yeah, which would have been a travesty. So I'm very glad.Track 1:[31:08] This year, we've got Jack Handy, Dave Grohl, Paul Lappel, Candice Bergen, Paul Rudd that could fall off the ballot.Track 3:[31:21] Voters, we're urging you. Don't let this happen.Track 1:[31:27] Candice Bergen, 35%.Track 3:[31:31] The original first female five-timer. Yes. And she still shows up in cameos And I guarantee you she'll be at the 50th anniversary She's such a huge friend of the show She's royalty, Even though she hasn't done any TV shows or movies recently She still shows up And does her time I wouldn't be surprised if she showed up on Only Murders But as far as Saturday Night Live goes She shows up to Acknowledge her place In the Five Timers Club Yeah, so yeah she absolutely does belong in the whole thing I really think, I'm a big pusher of Jack Handy and Paula Pell as well so I hope that people remember this and I'm glad you're adding it to the ballot JD to remind people that they're not on forever that's right.Track 1:[32:31] Paul Rudd looks rough. He's got 17%. I don't know that that looks good for him at all. Or no, sorry, he had 12% last year.Track 3:[32:39] Yeah.Track 1:[32:40] So he went from 23 in his first year, and he's dropped. He went from 23 to 17 to 18 to 12. So I don't feel good about him. Candice Bergen fell from 41 to 35. Whereas Paula Powell went from 29 to 41. so there's good news for her.Track 3:[33:03] I'm hoping she gets her name out there more often and gets recognized for her connections Paula? Yeah because I'm not sure how the great majority of people, know what she contributed to the show She's been showing up She was very important Yeah and she's been showing up a lot lately She was in a couple of episodes She was in Kristen Wiig's Five Timers sketch.Track 2:[33:33] Oh, that's right. She had a great joke where she goes, I wrote here for five years, but right now, Kristen Wiig's... I'm going to play an audience member, and Kristen Wiig's going to pretend not to know me.Track 3:[33:44] She was also in at least one sketch in the Kate McKinnon. I feel like she was in that singing...Track 2:[33:54] Yeah, I could see that.Track 3:[33:56] I just can't remember the name of it, but they did a big song pre-date and I believe Paula was in it too Tampon Farm Tampon Farm Tampon Farm.Track 1:[34:07] Oh right Oh there you go The Kate with the guitar, Yeah.Track 2:[34:13] Yeah, she, and I mean, again, she helped with the cheerleaders. So if you're going to vote for Sherry.Track 3:[34:18] Vote for Paula.Track 2:[34:20] She helped with the cheerleaders.Track 3:[34:22] With the cheerleaders, yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm getting pretty excited about next week's episode, J.D.Track 1:[34:28] Yeah, I think so. We're going back to the host well after talking about three cast members. Shari, do you want to share who we're going to be talking about?Track 3:[34:40] Out you know they were just talking about him on the saturday night network which i know we talk about a lot right they were just talking about him because they're doing that they're doing that host countdown and he's quite high on their list he was number 10 i think uh yeah i believe 10 might be right 10 11 right he's in the top 12 i believe uh of course i'm talking about kylo ren friend himself, Mr. Adam Driver. Again, very recent, but this one I have to say I agree with. He is one of those serious actors like Garrett who does this great comedic turn, becoming a baby on a plane and just undercover boss. I mean, beep, beep. He's got a great couple. Oh, he was in a science room.Track 2:[35:34] Which is always great.Track 1:[35:40] Cecily and Mikey?Track 3:[35:41] Yes.Track 1:[35:42] Yeah.Track 3:[35:42] So very, very excited to see the case that our guest...Track 1:[35:47] So it's actually Bauer will be joining us. And... it should be a great episode because there's a lot of meat on that bone.Track 3:[35:59] Oh yeah. I'm very excited to come back next week with you too and talk all about Adam driver and what his possibility of getting into the hall of fame might be where he's going to land on those ballots. Yeah. I mean, he's on his way to become a five timer.Track 2:[36:18] So I believe that he could be in the hall of fame.Track 3:[36:24] I think so too. I think there's a good chance he's going to be a host in season 50, even though he was just on in 49. Other hosts have done back-to-backs. Yeah. He always has projects. I mean, he's always in several movies. He could be appearing in a couple of TV shows these days with streaming. Who knows? Anything goes. So he'll definitely have something to promote.Track 1:[36:50] I would think so. He's always got something on the go.Track 3:[36:52] Or he could just show up in cameo and just be a scene stealer that's true.Track 1:[36:57] That's true i i suspect he'll have a part of the 50th anniversary i just think oh absolutely he's you know the last 10 years he's one of the most memorable hosts exactly.Track 2:[37:08] I was thinking the same thing.Track 1:[37:10] So you know he's almost like this cast this generation's jt or walk-in walk-in or yeah Yeah, like how they all had different generations they worked with.Track 3:[37:22] I love the I'm all out of cash.Track 1:[37:25] I'm all out of cash.Track 3:[37:27] That's so good.Track 2:[37:28] Oh, yes, yes.Track 3:[37:30] And that's another one they could have went to Beck Bennett.Track 2:[37:32] But that's like a good team effort sketch. Yeah, yeah.Track 1:[37:36] Totally Kyle and Beck.Track 3:[37:38] Very exciting. And then he played that elderly teacher.Track 2:[37:40] But we'll talk about this next week.Track 3:[37:41] Yeah, very excited to talk next week. It was great fun talking with you both this week and always the highlight of my week. so very excited for next week's episode and very excited to listen to next week's episode because I know it's going to be a great one, absolutely I love talking to you guys and I love telling our audience to like and subscribe and do all those fun things with those fun buttons yes David Spade says smash that button smash that button, I will tell you smash the button And then just get another burner phone and just repeat.Track 1:[38:20] That's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah. Do that for sure. And again, the email I want to remind you is SNLHOFWC at gmail.com. So shoot us a mail. We'd love to hear from you. 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This week on the program, Thomas, Matt, and jD welcome back Darin Patterson to the show. You can find his work at SNL Nerds where ever you get your podcasts.Transcript:Track 4:[0:42] Thank you so much, Doug DeNance. It is a thrill to be back here with you on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast. Before you come inside, if you would do me a favor, please wipe your feet. The SNL Hall of Fame podcast is a weekly affair where each episode we take a deep dive into the career of a former cast member, host, musical guest, or writer, and add them to the ballot for your consideration. Consideration once the nominees have been announced we turn to you the listener to vote for the most deserving and help determine who will be enshrined for perpetuity inside the hall and that is how we play the game it's just that simple a little 411 for you we have a new email address it is the snl hall of fame at gmail.com that's the snl hall of fame at gmail.com shoot Shoot us an email if you have any questions about the show or would like to guest on this show or the SNL Hall of Fame Water Cooler with Joe and Shari.Track 4:[1:43] So there's that. This week we are joined by our friend Darren Patterson of the SNL Nerds podcast. You can check that out wherever you find your quality podcasts. Podcasts and uh darren has quite the track record of uh nominating people in episodes he joined us for the first time on season two where he nominated tom hanks who got in then in season three he kicked off the season by nominating dana carvey who also got in that year uh he took the year off in season four and didn't visit us in season five either but this year he's back and uh i'm excited about this episode so there's that.Track 5:[2:32] Here we go with an original not ready for prime time player it is the often overlooked garrett morris matt what do you have to say about garrett morris wow uh garrett uh he five foot eight born february 1st 1937 in new orleans uh he is uh an incredible talent he studied drama at the hb studio and attended juilliard he's a triple threat raised by a baptist minister grandfather he got his first taste of performance in the church choir uh with 116 acting credits six soundtrack credits and one writer credit it, he worked as a soloist and arranger for Harry Belafonte.Track 5:[3:22] Yeah, so he was part of Belafonte's band. During his time as a singer for Harry Belafonte, he was performing in Los Angeles and decided to go for a walk. Police cuffed him and dragged them to jail when he tried to show his hotel keys to prove where he's staying. After a background check, it came back clean. And then they checked the itinerary in his pocket and saw that he was part of Harry Belafonte's band. And all of a sudden they were like oh i'm sorry i'm sorry mr garrett morris i mr morris like we're so he's he that kind of uh changed his life um he became very active uh he joined the black arts repertory theater and school a cornerstone of the black arts movement um um, in New York and ended up being surveilled by the FBI during that time. Yeah.Track 5:[4:23] So he has a file. Um, but you know, he's also done things like he released an album called South African Freedom Songs with Pete Seeger and Guy Carowan. Uh, he appeared in broadway in hallelujah baby and ain't supposed to die a natural death and uh he.Track 5:[4:44] Wrote a play called the secret place daddy piku and stagger lee uh which he penned for the brooklyn uh school kids as part of a new york program uh to write a play for school kids in their in your home borough and on top of all of that he released a comedy album called saturday night sweet um which has some pure disco tracks on there it is it is incredible um he survived a brush with death having been shot in the chest and arm while being mugged uh and got to be kidding me yeah like he's that was.Track 5:[5:28] In 1994 so not even that long ago did not go well for the shooter because there were some garrett morris fans in prison and let's just say he didn't leave the prison uh so yeah that got that you don't mess with a good with great comedians you know people don't like that so yeah so garrett morris garrett morris in a in a wrapped in a bow by our friend matt ardell and now we're going to check in with our other friend Thomas Senna as he digs in on Garrett Morris.Track 2:[6:31] Jamie and Matt, thank you so much. Welcome to another episode of the SNL Hall of Fame. Today we have a Heritage nominee from Season 1, an original Not Ready for Primetime player. So I'm really excited to talk about Mr. Garrett Morris.Track 2:[6:52] And with me to talk about Garrett and his time at SNL is Darren Patterson from the SNL Nerds podcast. Somebody who I haven't had on in like two or three seasons. It was long overdue. I knew I needed to get Darren back for Season 6 of the SNL Hall of Fame. Darren, how's it going, man? It's going well, Thomas. It's going well. Yeah, it's been a minute. I haven't been around these parts in quite some time. I love what you've done with the place. yeah well thank you tied it up a little bit before before you stepped into the hall we make sure to dust and we make sure to everything is in its right place for special guests like yourself so from one snl podcaster to another i gotta make sure that my space is presentable for for you guys especially for other snl podcasters so it's wonderful to have you man i think you were on uh for a roundtable an end of season roundtable i think that's last time we checked in on you yeah yeah it was that was that was a lot of fun that was a that was a blast if i recall correctly yeah yeah no we had a blast talking uh talking about the different nominees from that season of the snl hall of fame uh i love chatting with fellow snl podcasters like we both were chatting beforehand that this is such a really neat community of snl podcasters like both buddies with john schneider from the saturday night network the guys gary and brad from the not Not Ready for Primetime podcast. Andrew Dick's doing his thing.Track 2:[8:19] So, yeah. So, it's just really fun to have a fellow SNL podcaster on. Why don't you tell us what's going on lately over at SNL Nerds? The listeners can go and listen to our 300th episode, which we just recorded. We hit the big 3-double-0. Wow. It's bonkers. Yeah, yeah.Track 2:[8:38] It's an episode we did with Mike Diva, SNL film unit director. The man who directed such hits as I'm Just Pete, the Pete Davidson pre-tape, the Waffle House pre-tape for the Jenna Ortega episode, Mario Kart in the Pedro Pascal episode, the Christmas Carol pre-tape on the Steve Martin, Martin Short episode. Yeah, this dude's done it all. So, guys, go check that out, our 300th episode. That's awesome. We got it. Yeah, yeah. It was a pretty big milestone for us. We were like, oh wow, we've been... We've been really doing this for a while. You know, most podcasters don't even get to five episodes. Really? Yeah, I think I read that somewhere. I think five episodes is like the average, if that. So people start a podcast, they bail after like one or two episodes. So 300 is amazing, man. Yeah, that makes us 60 times better than the average podcast. And you could fill it with you and John Trumbull, your co-host. Yes, yes. Yes. Me and my coach, John Trumbull, we're two guys in New Jersey who are obsessed with SNL, so we during the summer since they've been off, we've just been kind of talking about SNL quote-unquote related movies. Just because we've done all the directly connected to SNL movies, so now we're just like, we just had an episode of Throw Mama from the Train and Billy Crystal's in it. I think that's SNL adjacent. I don't know.Track 2:[10:07] As long as the cast member's on, I think that definitely qualifies. Yeah like as long as we can find one cast member in the cast or for something more produced we kind of shrug and be like all right that works like our next episode we're gonna do a league of their own one of my favorites john lovitz is in that so i was like all right that counts yeah that's one of my favorite things about your podcast is is you you've carved out your own niche in that like you're exploring like snl related movies which which i love so so 300 hundred congratulations darren congratulations john huge milestone go check out uh snl nerds follow them on social media and listen to their pod it's an awesome one so today we are chatting about mr garrett morris so uh garrett had a somewhat different path to snl compared to the rest of the cast he wasn't a groundling didn't come from second city uh garrett was a dramatic actor singer playwright so Lauren was looking for a playwright landed on Garrett who then obviously became a cast member of course part of the original cast so Darren like as an SNL nerd what does Garrett overall kind of mean to you, Oh, God, what does it mean to me? I mean, of course, right off the top, he was the first African-American cast member in SNL. I mean, that's a huge thing right there.Track 2:[11:30] I mean, and also when I think of Gary, I kind of also think of almost like what could have been a little bit just because it's like you said, like Gary really didn't come up with the rest of the cast members through the improv channels. Channels he just kind of he was like a theater kid basically he worked in the theater and playwrights and whatnot so he was he was i i always felt like he that's one of the things that's kind of separated him from the rest uh well i mean i think there was like a few things actually the fact that he well first you know african-american uh the rest of the other cast was uh white uh all the writers were white sometimes i think he was might be the only black guy in like the building yeah Yeah, yeah, seems like, right? It's very possible. Yeah, and so there's that. The fact that he doesn't come through the improv channels, that always kind of separated him. And the fact that he was, like, so much older than the rest of the cast, too, which is something I think a lot of people don't even realize, is because the other cast members, they were all in their 20s when they got to show, like, mid-20s, early 20s, something like that. Garrett was 38 when he got it. Right. It's like, aside from him and George Cove, like those are the old dudes so part of me does think oh maybe those three things kind of are what separated him from the rest of the crew and maybe writers and the cast members maybe didn't know exactly how to.Track 2:[12:55] Fit him into what they were doing so it always seemed like he was kind of doing his own thing the more I think about it I don't know if anybody actually.Track 2:[13:06] Wanted to write a sketch for Garrett it seemed seem more like the writers were like i have this idea for a sketch and if gary can fit in it okay right you know like it was even more something like because a lot of them came from second city i know lorraine was a grambling um but a lot of them have even had even had sketches that they performed together before snl so so that so there was just like an uphill climb uh for gary he had been in like uh uh i think he was in a band um with harry bell like not with harry belafonte But it was a band of like Harry Belafonte kind of like nurtured and like mentored a little bit So Garrett was like in that band. He was singing acting like I mentioned playwrights So that yeah, he was just he wasn't part of like that sketching improv inner circle Yeah, which probably? Was a disadvantage to him and you uh you alluded to it But I mean one thing of course that we can argue is that.Track 2:[14:07] Him being sidelined as a black man. And we saw for a long time afterward that SNL did have a problem with representation, Darren. Yeah, yeah, it really did. I mean, I don't know if maybe they just weren't quite looking for that or they were just kind of maybe more focused on just getting on the kind of humor that maybe they could only conceptualize or conceive as being radical without thinking about maybe how it may appear to other people. Like, you know, they've always had, SNL's always had issues with that. They're doing better, you know, the fact that we have, like now, like we had Bunky, but like people like Bowen or Devin and Ego and like all these other different perspectives, kind of Marcelo now, like all these other different perspectives coming up with ideas that, you know, like ideas that wouldn't have come to other, maybe certain types of writing but uh but you know like like sketches that maybe like ego has done like like things that kind of maybe include like a vernacular or have like a viewpoint from a certain community that you wouldn't have normally thought of like another i'm going off of the tangent here sorry like one sketch i thought of like was um uh the sarah lee sketch from the harry styles episode yes the one that had like cecily and bowen and then harry styles came in and he'd been posting all these odd things on Instagram.Track 2:[15:34] And the wordage they were using, I was like, oh, this is written by Bowen or something, because I don't see anybody else kind of... Unless you know about that community, then a lot of other people just wouldn't know about that. It seems like a lot of the writers who were around when Garrett was around didn't just quite know about his world, so they didn't maybe know how to write it. So that's why maybe they had a harder time trying to figure out what he could do.Track 2:[16:04] Yeah, and like the late 70s, I don't think it was as emphasized or writers and people behind the scenes didn't necessarily care about certain voices. And I think you can, like, if they thought that the audience wouldn't get certain points of view, you can still make those funny. You can kind of train the audience to understand certain things. You could put Garrett or somebody on Weekend Update and kind of – even if you have to kind of explain the backgrounds, explain the context for a few seconds. We've seen them. We saw them do that on Saturday Night Live all the time in the 70s. Even if you have to explain context, you can make it funny. So I don't – I think they just didn't care around that time. Yeah, I think – I mean I think that what you're saying is that that's something they finally caught around when Eddie Murphy kind of came on the scene. Scene and I mean I'm not sure exactly who was writing for him at the time he might have just been writing his own stuff or whatever but like I think when Eddie came in they're like oh this is.Track 2:[17:06] From a fresh new viewpoint that maybe we don't know about, but is worth exploring and investigating and making some sketches about. Yeah, I think there's a lot of credence to that, for sure. All that said, Garrett was such a great singer, such a great actor. I think he added a wonderful dimension to the show when it was on screen. Darren, I've always found this applies to hosts, especially in my opinion, but even cast members. I think some of the best people to do sketch comedy are good actors i think you need to have a sense of humor but you also need to know how to act that's something that they could have really tapped into with gary like talk about acting chops he's probably the best actor uh at that time maybe on the whole cast yeah no he that's true he could have done that i think what he might have done, which maybe kind of you know was was to his you know detriment was he tried to be maybe as funny as the rest of the cast members in some things or like he tried to meet them on their terms when he should have just kind of stuck with his strengths and like and you know that would have been his like maybe more better path forward where like he probably came up saying like well I'm a dramatic actor I know theater.Track 2:[18:25] But these guys are like comedic improv so let me try to be let me try to keep up with them try to play their game but like I feel like he should have kind of maybe played his own game and found his way.Track 2:[18:38] Through what the rest of the improv people were doing. It's almost like, I mean, I don't know if you saw what was it, Batman Forever? The one with Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carey from back in the day, that Batman, where I'm really going off the edge today. No, it's not me.Track 2:[18:59] Jim Carey was the Riddler and he was like he just really played it to this nth degree and uh tommy lee jones was two-faced and he tried to match carrie's crazy and it just got too much crazy yeah whereas like if tommy lee jones maybe played it more straight and played it more kind of down here it would have had a better balance but like i remember that movie just being kind of really off kilter and not great because of that so i think maybe garrett could have done that like he could have been like maybe the more serious grounded uh person or or uh force in a sketch right and while everybody else was kind of acting a little bit crazier around him, Yeah, so he was trying to find his footing, so it's easy to understand why he would be like, well, it's a comedy show, and these guys have – I think I've even heard Garrett say this. He's looked at all of them and said, oh, they're like funny people. They're like trained funny people, so I kind of have to match that. But maybe looking back, you could say I was maybe the best actor of the bunch, so that's what I could have contributed. But you could see it. When I revisit old SNL, a lot of my takeaways from some sketches are like, man, Garrett acted his ass off, and it helped the scene.Track 2:[20:08] Like like big time i i think of like somebody who we're going to talk about this season adam driver to me he's one of the better hosts in snl history because he's like a great actor and a lot of those great dramatic actors do really well as hosts on snl so i just think that skill set really crosses over to sketch comedy yeah no for sure that definitely does like uh yeah i mean you have comedic actors that like try to be the funniest one in the sketch and that can't come across as maybe depending on the comedic actor it could be a little obnoxious but like dramatic actors always kind of know that less is more and like yeah you don't always have to be the big boisterous clown in the room you can just maybe play it down a little bit more and be a little bit more understated and you know find the rhythms and just add to the sketch and that's a better path well it might not be like like the flashiest role or you know like more than what everybody remembers, you still did your part to maybe flesh out the sketch a little bit more and get it to greater heights. Exactly. It services the sketch. Sketch comedy nerds like us will pinpoint that contribution and give credit where credit's due. So as far as Gary goes, I'm really excited. I want to dig into his work on SNL. So is there something that immediately kind of stands out to you that he did on the show?Track 2:[21:33] One of the biggest standouts immediately is the president of the New York School for the Hard of Hearing. It was a quick little thing he always did on a weekend update with Chevy where they have him in those little hard of hearing bubbles. And Chevy would say he's here for the hard of hearing. And Chevy would be like, our top story tonight. And then you just see Garrett cupping his hands over his mouth, screaming the exact same thing that Chevy's saying. Our top story tonight, President Ford is finally over that stubborn week-long cold.Track 2:[22:11] It was like one of those really simple, dumb gags that like we'll get a laugh i remember getting a laugh out of that the first time i saw when i was like a little kid where i was like it's it's simple it's kind of corny it's it's almost like a dad joke but damn it it makes me smile and it lives on too garrett he came back and was it snl 40 that he yes that he did that right i believe so it was one of the snl uh anniversary specials that that they brought garrett back to to do that on weekend update so So that one definitely lives on. I mean, the tone is like just yelling, but Garrett's not trying to like be a clown or be, you know, he's just sort of like doing what needs to be done. And it lives on almost 50 years later, Garrett doing that.Track 2:[22:59] Yeah, I'm sure everybody will remember that. Weekend Update, I kind of want to stick with too, since you started there on Weekend Update. A character he did 10 times, 9 of those on Weekend Update was Chico Escuela. Is sports correspondent which is what i i mean that when i think of garrett i think of like the a lot of the fun stuff he did as chico escuela darren yes yes me too i mean it was like um i mean yeah like you said it was like a character that just kind of popped up here and there a little bit uh it wasn't you know it wasn't it didn't get too overused there was no you know emily latela or anything like that but it was poor poor emily latela that's like the classic example but you're right I agree right she got so much air time it was like wow you really trying to make Emily Latela happen but I mean Chico escuela like he had again much like Garrett he kind of went at his own pace you know the baseball didn't very very good to me and whatnot it was like a very small that's small but very understated character very understated performance, memorable, to say the least, I'd say. Baseball been very, very good to me. This week, baseball been very, very good to Willie Mance. Say hey, Willie always keep his eye on the ball.Track 2:[24:25] In the Super Bowl, we have, how do you say, highlights. Roll, please. Please, Jackie A. Smith did not keep his eye on the ball. I think it is actually kind of a nuanced thing because I love the conceit of he doesn't know anything, especially the first one. The first time he came on as a sports correspondent, he doesn't know about any other sports. He's just trying to like push his way through like the nhl highlights and he doesn't really know much about basketball then when baseball he just kind of jumps right in and yeah just talks about it so i just think that's a very very funny conceit chico always seemed like a nice guy has that catchphrase man like like everybody who knows the show it seems like knows the baseball been very very good to me and yeah like yeah he another one that lives on yeah no it's not like one of the bigger catch, you know, it's not like it's no two wild and crazy guys, but I feel like it's another like.Track 2:[25:32] It's another thing where it's like, yeah, it's a catchphrase that may not be that big, but it is known. I don't know. The more I think about it, the more I think more serious SNL nerds like us would appreciate Garrett more. He's always just been kind of – again, he's not like the big flashy breakout star, but people like us, we see what you're doing there. Yeah, I know. If you really go back and watch the first five seasons, there's so many times where we're like, oh my gosh, Garrett. It like like and he i love the chico character too because like it had an arc like he had a really fun arc there's at one point where he uh was quitting weekend update because he went back to met spring training to try to make the team again because his his background was that he was an all-star for the new york meds so uh but then when he went to uh spring training uh it turns Turns out that some of the team was upset with him because he wrote a detailed account of Major League Baseball.Track 2:[26:32] And it was called Bad Stuff Bout the Mets that he wrote. So he had to endure himself. So there was like a whole narrative arc with Chico Escuela going to Mets spring training, then flaming out. So that's something that I kind of would love to see more of on SNL, especially with weekend update kind of characters. I want to see those narrative. But we like we got that with Seth and Stefan but Darren like I love that There's like some sort of narrative arc here. Yeah, I don't yeah I I mean I'd love to have like you said like something like narrative arcs in SNL and or even runners I think that they tried to do, Runners a little bit back in the day like they had that um, when Kim Kenna was on they still had that uh, was it I.Track 2:[27:18] Think she had like some little bit of runner through there. I, They can't even remember it. But I don't know. Part of me thinks because of this, I guess, TikTok world we're living in where, like, you know, the little sound bites and clips are a little bit more important just to get eyes and views. I don't know if there's a place for, like, a runner or... Marianne Conway, that's who. They had the Marianne Conway thing where Kate McKinnon was, like, on her knees. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, all right. All right, sorry. I just remembered.Track 2:[27:51] So, yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, I would love a runner. I would love arcs. But again, because we're in this world now where quick little five-minute video clips are kind of how we just ingest everything now. I just don't know if there's room for an arc or a runner or anything like that anymore. It's a bummer because they're really cool. No, I could see that. No, it was really cool with Chico. go that was a character too that i would hear people who watched uh snl live when in the late 70s always referenced they would always reference chico escuela and base baseball being very very good to me and all that so i think this kind of like almost lives on as far as like this might be like garrett's legacy at snl is this character because i really have heard a lot of older snl fans when i was a kid they would always reference this like i knew what this was before i even saw I saw it on screen. I knew what this was. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, no, totally memorable, totally great. Yeah, it's fantastic. What else is there that may have popped out to you for Garrett? I mean, the one thing that comes to my mind is the, I forget the name of the sketch, but it's like that aristocrat's dinner that happens.Track 2:[29:08] And Garrett is a person who's, you know, what's it called? He has like a staff in his hand. He slammed it against the ground to introduce people to the party. Say, you know, Lord and Lady Gardner, Lord and Lady, blah, blah, blah. And then these two people come in and he says, Lord and Lady Douchebag. Douchebag and uh we get this whole sketch about you know this lord and this lord and lady in this fancy high society party and their names are douchebags to your point that sketch which i think honestly was the last sketch of the original era it happened in the very last episode buck henry hosted it in season five yes yes i think it may have been the last sketch of the original error or close to it maybe there was one more after that uh but but to your point garrett made that sketch because if you ask somebody they i think a lot of like casual sketch comedy fans will tell you oh yeah i've heard of like lord and lady douchebag um but they couldn't tell you the beats of the sketch no right they just recite garrett saying that line so that's to your point like garrett made the most out of he wasn't the star of the sketch i think it was buck henry and Harry Shearer, honestly. But Garrett May, he was the star of that sketch ultimately. Lord and lady, douchebag!Track 2:[30:33] Yeah, and I know Bill Murray was in that sketch, because at one point he goes, ah, douchebag! He does that. But yeah, I don't remember anything anyone else actually said in that sketch. The one thing you can you think about it or totally remember is Garrett saying Lord and Lady Douchebag. I mean, that's him taking, I guess what he knew was going to be like the big line that would get the big laugh.Track 2:[30:58] Once everybody in the audience kind of sees where the sketch is going that's going to be their big aha moment so like he probably looked at that and was new like oh i really need to really like enunciate and make a big deal out of this one phrase that like i just know is going to be the one that sticks in everybody's brain exactly he brought out his booming but he almost brought his singing voice yeah yeah he said that absolutely yeah that was a great example that's way back uh at the end of season five.Track 2:[31:28] Like the very last episode of the original era, Garrett still made his mark for sure. In season one, almost maybe a missed opportunity. They did this four times, but something that I always loved when I went back and rewatched a lot of the original seasons was he hosted a show called Black Perspective. Yes, yes. Yeah, so he did that in episode four was his first time. So they kind of gave Garrett his talk show. he played uh uh probably a different version of himself and he had on jane curtain playing a different version of herself but these black perspective they could have been a thing like again he did it four times but they were always like they had jokes about about just things that like like to your earlier point that there were jokes involving like black perspective that's the name of the show the black community but but these were ones darren that uh that i loved so he said He said he had Jane Curtin on the first time. Fran Tarkenton appeared on season two.Track 2:[32:29] So it was basically kind of Garrett and the show almost mocking like stereotypes. Yeah. It's just kind of poking fun of them. Like Fran Tarkenton was talking about how like. Black guys can't read defenses and that's why they aren't quarterbacks and he made fran made to was made to look like the in that sketch but that's kind of the theme of this yeah i remember those those are like really interesting i mean like of course tim meadows would kind of do something like that yeah you know well i've been called perspectives yeah yeah yeah outstanding.Track 2:[33:01] But uh but yeah like that's like another thing that like uh garrett had that didn't, I mean I don't want to say it didn't take off they were really cool and really interesting but yeah like I again like they're not you know you don't see them too often when you look at an SNL, retrospective like they'll show you you know Samurai Chef or something a lot but you won't really see that like I do remember there was like another one where Julian Bond yes when he hosted and there was this like who's this you know politician this black politician back in the day and like there was this one really interesting sketch that they got into where where, I mean, I kind of wish they went further with it, but, like, the conceit of it is, like, they talk about how, like, light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks. I remember seeing that. I was like, wow, that's a bold... Yeah, that happened in, like, 1976 or 77. Yeah. That was, like, in season two. They've been saying that whites are smarter than blacks for hundreds of years, baby, right? And we've only had these IQ tests for, what, 20, 30 years. Now, how did the IQ of white intellectual superiority originate in the first place? Well, that's a very interesting point. My theory is that it's based on the fact that light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks.Track 2:[34:25] Say what? Garrett just kind of waits a beat, just kind of stares at him in that Garrett way, those eyes. I thought that was pretty hilarious. I mean, really, really ballsy for its time. I was like, wow. I don't even know if I'd try that sketch today. Yeah, right, exactly. They only did those black perspective ones like four times. Cecily Tyson was on the last one. And that was Cecily telling Garrett that black women have gotten a raw deal because the black man is such a loser Garrett it was like so I was like say what and he had this reaction So it's like kind of tension that between he and Cecily Tyson, Because she just kind of said that so so yeah, so I would have loved to see like a.Track 2:[35:11] More of those and more like perspective uh in in garrett's voice and more black perspective honestly yeah like i remember i mean from what i've read like garrett was the thing where he was like really kind of trying to fight to get stuff like that on he was trying to kind of get you know like sketches that kind of seemed more from the black perspective but like he was kind of just hitting so many walls with that and so like the fact that he got the little that he did i I think it's a huge accomplishment, even though maybe people didn't quite get it at the time. I mean, I think the fact that he just he put it out there and I'd imagine like there must be some people, some black comics coming up that's seen that and was like inspired by that. Yeah, yeah, I think so. He he tells a funny story. I mean, he speaks highly of Al Franken overall.Track 2:[35:58] He said nice things about Al Franken, but he did say that Al Franken kind of pushed back on some of his ideas. Is and he said one time he he challenged al frank into a wrestling match and he said he said he thought he was going to get the worst of it probably because al was a wrestler and he's kind of a stocky build guy like al's kind of a bigger dude he was a bigger dude than what you might think it's like i i challenged him he's like i knew i was gonna probably get my ass kicked but i challenged al frank and so snlwf yeah yeah exactly so garrett did have to almost literally fight for screen time sometimes. I had no idea. Yeah, that makes sense. Al Franken, from what I know about him, especially in his younger days, he was a bit of a...Track 2:[36:45] He had a bit of a... Temper or he was just a little gave you a lot of pushback you know he's exactly he's the man that came up with limo for a lame-o i mean for a lame-o yeah he's the one that uh when everybody like the cast i think it was in the late 80s early 90s i think it was george harrison who was like.Track 2:[37:04] Playing piano and just putting basically putting on this like beatles show in the office for people and al's the one who came out of his office and said get back to work you guys got some writing sketches to do and yeah so i don't blame garrett sometimes for trying to fight him push back on that uh one other memorable moment you mentioned the so the julian bond one i think is very memorable chico escuela deaf and hard of hearing one the lord and lady douchebag so garrett has these like memorable things um one thing i also knew about when i was a kid uh was if you remember this was in season one as well when they had what they called like death row follies yes prison yes so yeah they're putting on a performance of gg at a prison and are auditioning inmates oh yeah so you remember this one yes i do yeah so where.Track 2:[37:59] Does it go from here if you can if you can remember the beats i believe if we're thinking about the same one this is the one where Garrett comes out as an inmate and he starts singing the song.Track 2:[38:49] That's the one and it comes out of nowhere too it's like because dan dan and chevy played inmates for the first two auditions and then garrett comes out he's saying that he was in solitary confinement and he was writing this thing and he goes to the piano and i think maybe by episode 11 the audience had heard garrett probably sing yes so they knew that he was like this maybe maybe Maybe like a really good singer. So you're expecting. And even sometimes I forget. Because I'm expecting Garrett to kind of sing this beautiful song. But no. It's his famous song. Yeah it's like this kind of jaunty upbeat song. I'm going to take all the shotgun and kill all the white guys. Yeah. Which even makes it funnier. And like you're just talking about. Once he does that. Whitey won't bother him. Yeah.Track 2:[39:40] Yeah exactly. He said he got that from a real thing. And it wasn't like, kill all the whiteys. I see it was much, you know, it was a very, very, very racist little performance that Garrett happened to see. So he kind of flipped the script on that. Yeah. So that's kind of where Garrett said he got it from. But such a memorable moment. I knew the words to that song before I even saw the context to it as well. And that's something that like lives on with Garrett yeah and again that's another way like or another instance of Garrett kind of taking over a sketch with his little screen time he has because I don't remember what happened before that sketch or after Garrett saying it like all the other parts of that sketch I don't quite remember but I definitely remember Garrett singing that song and talking about getting a shotgun but like I know there was some stuff before and after he performed but I don't.Track 2:[40:38] Call it but no garrett's part that was the star of the show the only reason why i remember the beats because i just kind of recently watched it okay but like but but other than that that's all you remember from the sketch because it's so like shocking and memorable and hilarious and uh i think gilda is part of the sketch and they tell all the and they warn her basically or they say oh you might want to like button your top button a little bit more because these these men haven't seen a woman in years or whatever and then of course they all take a shining um to put it nicely to gilda throughout to put it nicely yes that's the nice way of saying it yeah because yeah that i remember yeah that was wow yeah yeah uh there was one more that i kind of uh that i think really sticks out with some people and garrett says that he's pretty proud of this one i've heard him talk about it and it's called the white guilt relief fund oh yes yeah I'm Garrett Morris talking to all you white Americans about the way black people have been treated in America now I know a lot of you feel guilty and you should.Track 2:[41:43] My great-great grandmother was brought over here on the slave ship and was raped by her white master and my grandfather was lynched by a mob for not tipping his hat to a white lady now they're dead now there's nothing you can do to erase their suffering. However, if you would like to relieve your guilt, I am willing to accept money as a representative victim of 400 years of repression. Send your check or money order to White Guilt Relief Fund, care of Garrett Marsh, 870 West 127th Street, New York, New York. Good perspective. I like it. That's the stuff that I wanted more of. Yeah. That's actually a pretty smart concept. I don't know why they didn't do more things I don't know, it seems like maybe the writers just had their own ideas and then they just kind of were like, alright, we'll give Garrett this one thing and that'll make him happy and then we can do our thing, what we want to do. But I don't know, I feel like they left money on the table in a way. They could have explored Garrett's mind a little bit more and worked with him a little bit more and gotten all these other great sketches from perspectives no one else maybe was even thinking about looking at.Track 2:[42:55] Yeah, they really could have. Yeah. I mean, they were really funny. They were really short, too. Like, that White Guilt Relief Fund one wasn't that long. It's something that you could plug in. Like, that's kind of a replicable concept that you could plug in if you need a minute ten to fill, honestly. Like, that's something you could do. Yeah, that could be like a TikTok. That's like TikTok. Perfect TikTok. It really is. Yeah, that's like for the TikTok era. Garrett was ahead of his time. He was ahead of his time. Really, Garrett created TikTok, if you think about it. Yeah, I mean, that sounds, I haven't looked into that, but that sounds right. That sounds, that checks out. It checks out, story checks out. Thank you, Garrett.Track 2:[43:34] Is there anything else before we kind of, like, move on, post-SNL stuff for Garrett? I've always liked his, that one role he had as the best friend Cliff for the Fenstruck Brothers. Oh, yeah. Like, he didn't have too much to do there, but, like, you know, he kind of came in and came out. And he'd always acted like a good sort of straight man to help the these two dudes just try to get the foxy foxy lady single women's yes yes yes I remember click very well I don't know if I undersold it honestly but I think he's on the shortlist and he might be the greatest singer in SNL history.Track 2:[44:37] Anna gasteyer is amazing cecily recently chloe trost currently but is there a better singer as far as cast than garrett i mean all those singers you mentioned are great uh melissa vio senor for the little time she didn't get to sing she's great but uh i think the fact that garrett is like classically trained and he like sung you know mozart songs and don otavino songs The fact that he can sing operatic stuff, I think maybe puts him a notch above all those other singers you mentioned. Because they're all great and have beautiful voices, but when you hear...Track 2:[45:15] Garrett Morris has a voice of an angel. Yeah, for sure. He can sing Ave Maria type stuff, and that's pretty special. Yeah, 100%. I would put Garrett, number one, probably on a gas tire right after that. She's still doing Broadway stuff. She's an incredible singer. And then everybody else is kind of fighting after that, after Garrett and Anna. But that should be part of his legacy as well. The most talented singer in SNL history. Yeah, you can't dismiss his singing prowess. I think there's enough stuff out there that people know he can sing when he sang on the show. But I feel like it's something that doesn't get brought up as much as it should. It because i mean he's he my man's got pipes yeah definitely uh yeah so after snl he made one cameo since he left the show in 1980 with the original cast garrett's made one cameo not including snl 40 and all those it was in november of 2002 the pop quiz here and i actually i'll admit i didn't know this until a couple days ago do you know the context of this cameo that That happened in an episode in November of 2002?Track 2:[46:27] I don't think. I don't believe so. No. He appeared in an Astronaut Jones sketch. Oh. Out of nowhere. It was Brittany Murphy. And of course Astronaut Jones. The Tracy Morgan character. And it was. Yeah. Garrett was standing right by him. And I forgot who else. So there was a third guy. Okay. No. It was Nellie.Track 2:[46:50] Nellie. It was Nellie. I was not expecting to say that. Yeah this is 2002 uh so so is tracy as astronaut jones and then nelly and garrett and then britney murphy was the host so so garrett appeared in astronaut jones darren that is wild i totally forgot about that yeah 22 years almost 23 years after he left the show that was his only appearance.Track 2:[47:15] Yeah, that is wild. I kind of wish he'd made more appearances. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah, me too. But hopefully we'll see him here on SNL 50. I assume so.Track 2:[47:27] He guest starred in a lot of sitcoms, different strokes, The Jeffersons, Hill Street Blues, Married with Children, all over the place. If you watch Martin like I did, main part of the cast of Martin, very beloved, The Jamie Foxx Show, Two Broke Girls. Roles so man like i don't know he's still around he appeared in ant-man in 2015 which was awesome they made up a reference to him playing ant-man on snl yes the first wasn't he the first uh person ever to play ant-man in like tv or film it's like live action so maybe he's he is the first yeah so i'm glad that that was like a little tip of the cap to garrett playing ant-man in that it was like a parade of of superheroes kind of sketch oh yes yes i remember that that was a good one yeah so So, like, awesome, Darren, like, when Garrett just pops up in something you're watching, right? Yeah. Gets you excited. Yeah, it does. It does. It's like, oh, yeah, he's still out here. He's still doing it. He's still, he always just seemed, like, kind of just, like, kind of very zen, almost. Like, he's just, like, a very laid-back dude, and he's just kind of happy where he's at. And, you know, he's just, he just has a really great kind of aura about him. I don't know. I never met the man, but, like, I feel like if I, if we ever did, I would just, it would just like i would feel at peace at one yeah myself like through him he's buddhist it really yeah so that tracks no garrett's buddhist yeah i just made all that shit up i had no idea.Track 2:[48:54] That's awesome you have a good feel for it because i think i think garrett would be pretty zen i think he's he has said that he's buddhist uh so so yeah that's a good good read of a person darren Wow, way to go me. I did get that vibe. I think Martin was the first thing that I had. I mean, I think I had seen some old SNL clips when he was on, but I think Martin was my first real exposure to Garrett. So I do remember that just him being like just the funny station manager, the casual. So that was actually my first exposure to Garrett was Martin. Yeah, I think for a lot of, you know, people that grew up in the 90s, it was that, too. And, like, I mean, I remember him from Martin, of course, and Jamie Foxx show later on in the 90s. But, like, I guess I was big enough. I was a big enough SNL nerd to be like, oh, wait, that's the guy who was on. That's Chico Escuela. That's the guy that was on that SNL show that I watched the reruns of on Comedy Central. That's the guy that was going to grab the shotgun. Remember him? Yeah, he was going to kill all of them. Yes.Track 2:[49:56] Um so lamorne morris will be playing garrett in the upcoming saturday night movie um like one of the things you do on your podcast is discussing snl related movies i'm sure you're excited about this one this could be like the holy grail of snl movies for you guys yeah no with we are super as soon as the trailer dropped we were we were both super pumped i think i watched that trailer at least five or six times yeah we're definitely like me and my buddy john trumbull we we i think we uh spent there was like one episode we put out recently we spent like at least 15 minutes just talking about that trailer uh but yeah i mean i love the way it looks i think it looks great i love the way there's this one scene in the trailer where, Lamorne Morris is kind of looking at Jim Henson while he's smoking a cigarette. And the stare that he gives Jim Henson, it looked a lot like a young Garrett Morris. For a minute, I was like, oh, that looks like Garrett.Track 2:[51:00] So I'm looking forward to that. And I just really like the look of it. I think everybody who's playing, whoever they're playing, kind of gets it. The guy that's playing young Lorne Michaels kind of has his speech patterns down and his little pout. But he doesn't do it to an extent where it's a goofy caricature. You know, he's just like, you know. He has the little pout going on and the voice down. The guy that plays Chevy kind of has Chevy's voice down.Track 2:[51:29] I'm really looking forward to this. I might... I mean, I'm not going to take the day off work or anything, but I think I'm going to definitely see this opening... Definitely opening weekend, maybe opening night. but like i yeah i am so pumped for this i want to see it opening night but my wife's gonna be out of town and i might have to wait for her to get back because she's really wants to see it too i don't know to see this is this is a moral quandary with the husband do i am i do i adhere to my snl passion as a podcast maybe i could justify it as like i'm a podcaster i gotta see it opening night honey and then we'll see it again maybe when you get back but i don't know this is a moral quandary for me darren yeah i know oh i've i've been in those shoes where it's like, she's not she's out of town but i really want to see this show uh just go and then i pretend to be surprised yeah no you don't want to do that.Track 2:[52:26] A marriage is built on honesty fair enough yeah you're damn right so uh either way uh i'll definitely be seeing it soon afterward lamorne morris seems like he has um garrett's kind of aura down a little bit there's this trailer where he kind of introduces it and it seems like he's really got a pretty good feel for garrett i love lamorne in a new girl um a lot of stuff he's other done he's done as well i liked him in the new season of unstable even though that season was I thought I liked Lamorne in the season. So I'm looking forward to seeing his portrayal of Garrett and just the movie overall. And I get skeptical with biopics, especially with SNL kind of things. But this does look really promising. It does. I mean, Lamorne Morris has always been really good. I really liked him in, I don't know if you saw the movie Game Night. I haven't. It's really funny. It's really good. I saw it on Hulu a while ago on a whim just because I heard a lot of friends say it's really funny. You should check it out and i checked it out and it's really it's like on the level of almost like bridesmaids or like the hangover or like all the big comedies that came out in the early it's but it's like smarter and it's really well shot and like game night fantastic movie but anyway uh saturday night we're talking about that movie yeah but yeah so we're yeah we're pumped for saturday night pumped for the garrett morris uh depiction by lamorne morris so now's the time Darren, we've reached the point in the show where you kind of make an appeal to people.Track 2:[53:54] So why don't you tell us, why should listeners, SNL fans, and folks at the SNL Water Cooler appreciate Garrett's place in SNL history? Because the fact, first of all, he's the first African-American cast member. Boom, right there. And secondly, yes, he may not be the most memorable one of the group, or the one that got the most spotlight or get the most accolades.Track 2:[54:23] You still remember him. Even though he didn't get that much screen time or much lines, you still remember Chico Escuela. You still remember the president of the New York School for the Hard of Hearing. Those things still reside in your brain for some reason. He's always somebody who's made quite a lot with not what little he's given. You still remember hearing him sing with that beautiful angelic voice of his. He stays in your memory. He's always been a solid cast member. And while it's a shame he never got his due, you still remember him. He still sticks around in your brain. And yeah, he might be the unsung hero, I'd say, of the original SNL cast.Track 4:[55:31] So there's that thank you so much darren patterson from the snl nerds podcast check that out if you're listening to this and you don't listen to the snl nerds podcast what are you thinking keep that's, you know, get your priorities straight.Track 4:[55:52] Add it to your playlist. Thanks, Darren. It's great to have you back. I'm real curious if you keep your streak up. Tom Hanks, Dana Carvey, that's a pretty good pedigree that you've established. And I am very curious to see whether or not your luck is with Garrett Morris. So there's that. that let's go to the garrett morris sketch that uh thomas is selected here and i want to tell you that it is uh the first chico escuela appearance on weekend update uh obviously we listened to thomas and darren and chico escuela was certainly a big part of of garrett morris's five-year tenure at SNL. This took place season four, episode eight. So that's his first appearance. Wow. So really he was only season four and season five that he was Chico Escuela. To me, it was something that was just, it was always there. I don't know. I guess because of the clip shows, I'm skewed. At any rate, let's go to that now.Track 3:[57:11] New York Mets, Chico Escuela. Welcome, Chico. Chico will be covering the sports team for Weekend Update. Thank you. Thank you very, very much. Baseball being very, very good to me. Thank you, Hayne. Pete Ross Baseball being very, very good to Pete Ross, $3.2 million for Pete Ross Charlie Hustle, you bet Daniel, very, very much, And football. I don't know football. In Dominican Republic, football is... How you say in, um... soccer. Your football... I don't know. And National Hockey League. In baseball baseball being very very good to me thank you very much thank.Track 4:[58:38] You thank you very much oh man that's freaking fantastic what a baseball been better better good to me is just uh like thomas said in the conversation, it's just one of those things I knew and I was born in 74 so I was one and a half when SNL began so clearly I don't remember that my first memories are season 9 really, maybe a little bit of season 8 but I didn't really get into things until season 10 so there's that, I don't know whether or not.Track 4:[59:20] Garrett Morse makes the hall. It's going to be interesting.Track 4:[59:25] Tune in this week to the SNL Hall of Fame water cooler to hear what Joe and Shari have to say. I joined them this week on the show. And it should be interesting to take note of their feelings and thoughts on this. Thanks for joining us this week.Track 4:[59:47] It's always a pleasure. on behalf of Thomas and Matt I want to thank Darren Patterson once again and do me one last favor, on your way out as you walk past the weekend update exhibit turn out the lights, because the SNL Hall of Fame is now closed.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/snlhof/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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