The Awkward Angler Podcast

In this episode I am sitting down with all the native ladies of the fly fishing and guide academy. They just completed their client day the day before and last night we celebrated the completion of the academy. This is the next generation of Native Women fly anglers and guides. We hear from new voices and previous podcast guests, Kiara Nelson and her little sister Shay Nelson. This episode also includes Laura Aspelund, Tessa Coopchiak, and Tatyana Zackar. Submit a comment to the EPA that you support strong Clean Water Act protections for the Bristol Bay region for its people, fish, and fish-based industries as soon as you can." This episode is available now on all podcast platforms including Apple and Spotify. All show notes and resources can be found on AwkwardAngler.com and links in bio. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Stacey Simmons was an invited guest during the week of the Bristol Bay Fly Fishing and Guide academy. She is the Sr. Director of Shareholder Services and the Director Of Operations at the Kodiak Brown Bear Center @kodiakbearcenterak We discuss what it means to be a shareholder in Alaska, as well as her amazing lodge that has gone straight up to my top places to visit list! Be sure to visit https://kodiakbearcenter.com/ to book your trip! And always hire and buy from native communities. Submit a comment to the EPA that you support strong Clean Water Act protections for the Bristol Bay region for its people, fish, and fish-based industries as soon as you can." This episode is available now on all podcast platforms including Apple and Spotify. All show notes and resources can be found on AwkwardAngler.com and links in bio. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Meet Laura Aspelund @laurauga she is now a graduate of the Bristol Bay Fly Fishing and Guide Academy. We talk about her experience in living in Naknek, Alaska, her transition into fly fishing and guiding, her experience of being a white passing native woman, and the impacts of the proposed Pebble Mine. Submit a comment to the EPA that you support strong Clean Water Act protections for the Bristol Bay region for its people, fish, and fish-based industries as soon as you can." This episode is available now on all podcast platforms including Apple and Spotify. All show notes and resources can be found on AwkwardAngler.com and links in bio. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Meet Tessa Coopchiak @tessa.coopchiak from Togiak, Alaska. We get to learn about where she is from, her connection to subsistence and now sport fishing, as well as her experience this week as a Bristol Bay Fly Fishing and Guide Academy student. I am relieved to know our next generation of Native leaders are connected to their homelands, culture, education, and new experiences. Submit a comment to the EPA that you support strong Clean Water Act protections for the Bristol Bay region for its people, fish, and fish-based industries as soon as you can." This episode is available now on all podcast platforms including Apple and Spotify. All show notes and resources can be found on AwkwardAngler.com and links in bio. #SaveBristolBay #NoPebbleMine #NotHereNotEver #HuntFishStopPebble #AwkwardAngler #AwkwardAnglerPodcast #BrownFolksFishing #SaveBristolBay #NoPebbleMine #TroutUnlimited #TroutUnlimitedAlaska #UnitedWomenOnTheFly #Orvis #OrvisFlyFishing #PatagoniaFlyFishing #PatagoniaFlyFish #FlyFishing #RepYourWater Visit www.savebristolbay.org --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

This episode features Tatyana Zackar from Igiagig, Alaska. Queen of the Kvichak River - fly fishing guide, instructor, previous student of the guide academy, and fisheries biology student. We discuss her village, her connection to the fish, how reliant her community is to the Bristol Bay salmon, lessons on fish handling, and Uber eats a day late and by plane. Resources How to prononce “Kvichak” https://www.howtopronounce.com/kvichak Take Action: https://www.savebristolbay.org/take-action TU Alaska: https://home.tu.org/tu-programs/alaska Village of Igiugig: https://www.igiugig.com/ BBFFGA: https://bristolbayriveracademy.org/ IG: @here_fishy_fishy_tz NY Times, Uber on the Tundra https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/dining/doordash-ubereats-remote-food-delivery-service.html Subsistence Fishing Permit: https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=residentfishing.main This episode was sponsored by Trout Unlimited - Alaska Program & edited by Devin Dabney, check out The American Climbing Project. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Meet Meghan Barker, Trout Unlimited Bristol Bay Organizer and the Academy's facilitator about the advocacy work she needs you to hear about when it comes to news and things you can do against Pebble Mine. Submit a comment to the EPA that you support strong Clean Water Act protections for the Bristol Bay region for its people, fish, and fish-based industries by July 5, 2022 Resources Take Action: https://www.savebristolbay.org/take-action TU Alaska Program: https://home.tu.org/tu-programs/alaska Instagram: @mbark_on_adventures BBFGA Program: https://bristolbayriveracademy.org/ This episode was sponsored by Trout Unlimited - Alaska Program & edited by Devin Dabney, check out The American Climbing Project. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Welcome to the final episode of season 2 of the Awkward Angler Podcast. This season has been great to connect with influential women doing work in realms of justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion within the fly fishing industry. We've heard some great initiatives that are just short of intersectionality but striving to do better, identity and coming out, vulnerability and healing, learning from our mistakes in advocacy, and how we quietly lead the way towards inclusion and conservation. What better way to end this season than with Kayla Lockhart. I know of no other way to introduce my boisterous guest. Kayla unapologetically advocates for human rights, mental health, and conservation. I appreciate how she authentically influences others by sharing her story and sharing how she lives with anxiety. I particularly admire the way she takes responsibility for the way she shows up; and the way she leads with compassion and empathy - both for her own mental health and for communities to have access to fly fishing as a gateway to conservation. Show Notes/Resources Instagram @Kayla__lockhart https://www.emdr.com/what-is-emdr/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Out_(2015_film) https://www.pixar.com/feature-films/inside-out https://www.eddiebauer.com/campaign/guides/kayla-lockhart https://bobmitchellsflyshop.com/ https://www.flyfisherman.com/editorial/foster-care-flyfishing-kayla-lockhart/361701 https://www.outsideonline.com/podcast/kayla-lockhart-fly-fishing-healing/ https://podcast.barbless.co/guest/kayla-lockhart/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL0hHkQU6dA https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=327269139043617 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

So this week, I am honored that my friend Corinne Doctor is my guest for today's episode. She is the co-founder of Rep Your Water - an apparel brand dedicated to providing uniquely designed, top quality gear for anglers and hunters while increasing support of local conservation and inspiring exploration. Rep Your Water is also an Angling for All Pledgee that is doing some great work behind the scenes in making the industry more diverse and inclusive. Corinne is also a board member for Colorado Trout Unlimited and Affta American Fly Fishing Trade Association. We speak about her experience being a woman in the fly fishing space for 14 years, her perspective on conservation, as well as her personal journey of becoming anti racist. She is a funny, hardworking, and all around badass woman I admire. She is upfront, and not afraid to lead hard conversations. https://www.repyourwater.com/ Instagram: @repyourwater and @Csd817 https://affta.org/ https://flylordsmag.com/women-on-the-water-corinne-doctor/ https://www.tu.org/magazine/we-are-tu/we-are-tu-corinne-doctor/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Would you rather strive to be an ally or an abolitionist? Abolition requires a commitment to risk. Risking your comfort, safety, and status to ensure that your Black and Brown counterparts experience equity and its afforded benefits. Today I am sitting down with Andi Greene, host of Wine Down with Fly Gals on Instagram. She is also a scientist, a self proclaimed instigator, and an abolitionist. We talk about her identity and how she is white passing and also Mexican; and her learnings from being complacent to becoming the abolitionist she now proclaims. We also discuss cultural appropriation... and ironically Andi was recently calling out cultural appropriation on the company PostFly for profiting off sage in their Mother's Day box this year. Then she was called out on culturally appropriating an image she had on her screen while doing so. We talk about her learnings from this event and how to recover after appropriating other cultures. How can the industry learn how to recover when appropriation happens and when we have such good intentions however those negatively impacted are long lasting?! Resources: https://www.brut.media/us/news/being-a-white-passing-poc-in-america--1bc279c1-e053-4450-af4a-b09abaf96ff1 Instagram: @andi.greene https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/you-ally-abolitionist-john-graham-jr-/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Becoming “anti-racist” sounds easy, but it can actually be quite challenging to shift our way of thinking. Justice, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion work also known as JEDI is hard work, however if we can push through the discomfort and uncomfortable conversations, there is joy to be found. I met the founder of United Women on the Fly, Heather Hodson Neufeld, in 2019 at a fly fishing trade show. While it may have been a bit of a bumpy start, today, I now consider Heather an ally and activist within the JEDI space in fly fishing. I find Heather's anti-racist journey as bold. She is, what I consider a “classic model” of what diversity and inclusion work looks like: emotional, hard, complex, depressing, joyful and bold. I am so thrilled to sit down with Heather and have an honest conversation. We share moments of vulnerability and her raw experience of intent vs impact. And I gotta say, she's leaving a hell of an impact that I need all white women and the fly fishing industry to hear! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Instagram has been a great resource for me to connect with other anglers and it's exactly how I met Emerald LaFortune. I found alignment in her posts and content when it comes to topics of LGBTQ+, racial and social justice, as well as being a female in male dominated spaces such as whitewater boating and fly fishing. Emerald is a writer, guide, and angler based in Idaho. This is also the first time we've actually connected outside DMs and emails. I could get lost in her voice, her way with words, and hearing her stories and perspective. We likely could have spiraled offf into many topics but today we discuss her identity, how the dominant culture can support women and LGBTQ+ boaters and anglers. We also break down an article about fly names. I especially loved hearing how she navigates social justice while being a white woman. So often I hear from white folks that they just want to get it right, or they don't want to mess up. I find it important to elevate Emerald's voice because she struggles navigating those ideals as well and we don't talk about it because it can get awkward. Resources: https://freerangeamerican.us/fly-fishing-flies/ http://oregonflyfishingblog.com/2021/02/23/because-our-words-matter-sexual-violence-and-the-fly-fishing-industry/ https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156247024064360 https://www.emeraldlafortune.com/ Instagram: @emeraldlensmedia --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

In 2017, The Orvis Company launched 50/50 on the Water, an initiative to introduce more women to the sport and to promote those already making a mark in the fly fishing world. I, as an Indigenous, woman know the gender binary is not inclusive - while focusing on women is important, how are we going to move forward to include gender fluidity, non binary, and trans communities? I recognize progress in it's own right - getting women on the water is an important effort especially if it can be a gateway towards conservation however it's not enough. How are we expanding our education beyond the gender binary and it's colonial concepts? I am thrilled to have my friends, Chrissy Atkins and Jackie Kutzer, co creators of the Orvis 5050 on the water initiative and hear about their individual learnings of launching something this big in the industry and reflections of their learnings on gender concepts. Resources https://www.outsideonline.com/2242021/orvis-takes-aim-boys-club https://www.discprofile.com/what-is-disc/disc-styles Follow Open Waters Project: @_dani_lol_ https://www.danielleloleng.com/ https://brenebrown.com/videos/rsa-short-empathy/ Resources from Jackie and Chrissy: Danielle's Open Waters Project: https://www.danielleloleng.com/orvis Layla Saad's ‘Me and White Supremacy': https://www.meandwhitesupremacybook.com/ Anti-Racism Daily Newsletter: https://www.antiracismdaily.com/ Coursera Indigenous Canada Course: https://www.coursera.org/learn/indigenous-canada Scene on Radio's ‘Seeing White' Podcast: https://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/ NPR's ‘Code Switch' Podcast: https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510312/codeswitch Instagram handles: @shinevermont and @pennc333 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

“Step up, step aside, or step down.” Power sharing vs hoarding needs to be understood. Welcome to the final episode of season one. I am looking forward to a nice long break and yet, I already have ideas for a new batch of episodes. I learned a lot, not only about podcasting but from each guest. Thank you to my guests for your time and sharing your stories and perspectives. And thank you listeners for your support - the feedback, shares, and engagement - I didn't know what I was getting myself into but am pleasantly surprised and glad I can add a new skill under my belt. In this episode, Bianca and I go through even more questions and because there were so many we did not get to touch on all of them, however most have a similar theme that requires an understanding of what white supremacy is and how we participate in it. As the co-founder and consultant of REAL Consulting, we believe that taking responsibility for “white supremacy” is the duty of every person living in society, no matter their color, creed or background. We offer a new definition that breaks down the barriers that prevent us from answering this call to action. Our goal is to drag the concept of white supremacy out of the shadows of our consciousness and shake off the stigma; once we overcome the discomfort of naming it, we are empowered to begin the process of dismantling it. REAL Consulting will be with you every step of the way! Visit consultreal.org for more information. https://accessibility.cornell.edu/event-planning/accessible-meeting-and-event-checklist/ https://www.verywellmind.com/anti-racism-strategies-5069386 https://nativegov.org/a-guide-to-indigenous-land-acknowledgment/ https://native-land.ca/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Welcome to Part 2 of navigating the impact of white women's intentions. Today, Bianca and I dive into just a few of the many questions we received themed around, “what can I do?” and “How can I decenter myself?” As well as building relationships with Black, Indigenous and People of Color. Again, as you listen, we ask that you lean into the awkwardness and also check in with yourself - both physiologically and emotionally. Side note, in exciting recent news, I am beyond thrilled to be elected along with Bianca to the Women's Wilderness board. We will also be serving with Patrcia Chau Nyguen from episode 3 on Anti-settlerism and Angling. Our mission is to support girls, women and LGBTQ+ people in accessing their power and improving their health through outdoor and community connections. Check out womenswilderness.org https://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/white-supremacy-culture-characteristics.html --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

A month or so ago I had posted for an upcoming conversation titled “the impact of white women's intentions”. I got an overwhelming response with questions. Thank you for those that took the time to submit them. As people of color, for us to be in community, we talk. We also support each other by listening and sharing our experiences. I had the opportunity to meet and be in community with Bianca McGrath Martinez. Today's episode, we get to continue our personal conversation we've had in the past on our observations and experiences in working with white women in the angling space as well as in the outdoor non profit space. Bianca has a unique identity and moves about the world as a woman of color as well as a white woman. This episode is raw, a truth telling experience from us as individuals on how we navigate the impact of white women's intentions in both the angling space as well as the outdoor nonprofit space. This episode is for white women looking to continue their anti racist journey in hopes to shine light on an area that needs to change. If you've ever said or thought, “what can I do, I just want to learn and be better.” This episode is for you. This is a part 1 of 3. We get to know Bianca and her experiences then will dive into the questions asked in the next 2 episodes. Resources: https://www.hechoonline.org/ https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a22717725/what-is-toxic-white-feminism/ https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-spiritual-bypassing-5081640 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Due to the sensitive nature of this episode, listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of suicide that may be upsetting or triggering for some listeners. 800-273-8255 is the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Hours: Available 24 hours. Languages: English, Spanish. I get to speak with and catch up with my brother, a fellow Brown Folks Fishing Ambassador, fly guide, and founder of Taco Fly Co, Mario Guel. We discuss the fly fishing unwritten rule book, trolls behind meme accounts, a little geotagging, conspiracy theories, representation, and the real stoke behind Taco Fly Co. Resources: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 800-273-8255 Hours: Available 24 hours. Languages: English, Spanish https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ [Special Beers] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLptAUlTSJw https://www.diversifyoutdoors.com/tracy-nguyen https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/pyramid-of-hate.pdf https://tacoflyco.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

A continuation with Amanda Jameson and her journey of finding employment in the outdoor industry. We talk about leaving her recent position at Big City Mountaineers. I can relate on so many levels as people of color face overt and covert racial discrimination from our leadership as well as colleagues. We discuss our personal stories as well as share tips and pitfalls for recruiters and organizations looking to “hire for diversity.” Resources: https://coco-net.org/problem-woman-colour-nonprofit-organizations/ https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html https://www.consultreal.org/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

When it comes to justice, we need to talk about accountability. When it comes to hard conversations around justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion, we worry about getting it right. So often when I conduct JEDI trainings, folks have nervousness about entering the space as they fear getting called out and for making mistakes. I can empathize with folks worried about hurting others' feelings or causing harm to underrepresented communities when we don't intend to. But we do. So...what do we do? We typically stay silent because working through hard conversations gets awkward. I have news for you...We're going to make mistakes. Even when we don't, we run into someone with opposing ideas, a different perspective or experience, someone that is offering a challenge, a push back, or willing to teach me deeper learning and understanding. I want to jump to 2018, when Camber outdoors announced a CEO Pledge that was the first of its kind. But there was already a pledge created by a Black woman, Teresa Baker. The amount of fear I have seen and heard from organizations that don't want to “end up like Camber.” but what they really mean is getting the PR backlash which leaves no room for justice, equity, diversity, nor inclusion. I have the honor of speaking with Amanda Jameson, who is a woman of color that was also the Diversity and Inclusion Program Coordinator at Camber Outdoors when this happened in 2018. We get to hear about her story and she offers some incredible advice on how to recover when you do make a mistake. https://www.outsideonline.com/2391024/what-we-can-learn-camber-outdoors-fiasco#close https://www.diversifyoutdoors.com/pledge https://she-explores.com/podcast/outdoor-ceo-diversity-pledge/ https://www.outsideonline.com/2389981/camber-equity-pledge-controversy?fbclid=IwAR1FgDlOq2YdcttZt2-5LQLs9xRXnzZLHjNYjfN04pY2qQ-faWvCbyKX58k https://camberoutdoors.org/blog/camber-outdoors-offers-public-apology-following-misrepresentation-of-outdoor-industry-pledge/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

Halfway through season one: After a busy week in all aspects of personal, professional, and social, this week is to pause and thank guests, listeners, subscribers, and supporters. Also, share some comments and feedback. Visit https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2 to contribute monthly or Venmo @ AwkwardAngler --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

In fishing culture, there is a strong belief that social media and geotagging is “killing” fishing, there are oftentimes guides or other anglers will get bullied for geotagging. And part of fishing culture is to never ask or tell fishing spots. As fishing is growing in popularity, I noticed an increase in gatekeeping, and online bullying as well. I find there is complexity in geotagging when it comes to fishing especially with overcrowding and vulnerable areas and fish. I am looking to break the barrier as it's oftentimes “taboo” to even talk about and I observe strong opinions and fixing blame take over. I found it necessary to have multiple perspectives and I am so thankful the following folks carved out time to have this discussion. I am excited to have my good friend, Jaylyn Gough, founder of Native Women's Wilderness, and Vasu Sojitra, professional athlete, Diversity Strategist, and your friendly neighborhood disruptor. Also stoked to welcome back Anna Le, Fish Biologist, and Marco Kamimura, owner and founder of Xicanx Fly. There is an article titled, 5 Reasons Why You Should Keep Geotagging, and we reference this article throughout our discussion. All links and resources are on awkwardangler.com Thank you again, Jaylyn, Marco, Vasu, and Anna for your time and sharing your perspective. While we're not all avid anglers in this panel, we all share the love of the outdoors and I encourage all folks, no matter your preferred activity, to talk to others that recreate outdoors too. We are all better when we can talk about issues and ultimately the protection of our sacred places. Resources: https://www.melaninbasecamp.com/trip-reports/2019/5/1/five-reasons-why-you-should-keep-geotagging https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/travel/instagram-geotagging-environment.html https://newrepublic.com/article/153603/instagram-ruined-great-outdoors --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

As I am getting to know my fisheries and watersheds, as well as my local fly shop better, I am recognizing there are some additional responsibilities as an angler when it comes to conservation and protecting the health of the fish. So often I hear solutions that “gatekeep”, meaning - the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something (Wiki) I observe guides and locals fix blame on newbies, social media, geotagging, spot blowing, and we'll get into geotagging on part two. Join me and Marco Kamimura, Fly Fishing Guide and Fly Tyer, that speaks to his experiences in Iowa. We discuss the difference between gatekeeping and protecting vulnerable fisheries while advocating for change and being an agent of change for your home waters so that one day we won't have to keep fisheries on the “downlow.” Resources: https://www.fws.gov/wsfrprograms/Subpages/AboutUs/ItemsTaxedJan2018.pdf https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/national/laws-and-policies/national-standard-guidelines --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

This week, I had the opportunity to speak with Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion practitioner Patricia Chau Nguyễn to discuss her 15 years in this industry and how it's evolved. We also get to hear about her first experiences fly fishing in October 2020. Patricia brings great insight as an Asian American that has also immersed herself in Native American studies. We cover important topics on gender diversity, decolonization, as well as complexity in representation. We also talk about our personal journeys coming into our own comfort with our own race. This is important for all folx, especially those that are working on their anti racist journey, to hear different perspectives, whether you're an individual or an organization. Resources: Settler Colonialism: https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/what-is-settlercolonialism Bibliography on resources for learning more about Settler Colonialism: https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780190221911/obo-9780190221911-0029.xml Book on Asian Settler Colonialism: https://www.amazon.com/Asian-Settler-Colonialism-Governance-Everyday/dp/0824833007 Article on Decolonization as a Metaphor: https://clas.osu.edu/sites/clas.osu.edu/files/Tuck%20and%20Yang%202012%20Decolonization%20is%20not%20a%20metaphor.pdf --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

People of Color have been demanding racial justice well before 2020. Why did it take the murder of George Floyd for companies and CEOs to publicly take a stance on anti racism? And on the other side, why are some companies afraid to even speak out? People of color have also experienced racism and discrimination within the workplace, so now that their companies are making statements, how are they being held accountable? This week we discuss “Performative Activism” that has been observed within the fly fishing industry that began around June 2nd, also known as Blackout Tuesday, and we'll discuss the impact we see today in the angling community. This is a conversation between a Black woman and an Indigenous woman and we share our personal perspective and observations as avid anglers in this space. Performative activism is a pejorative term referring to activism done to increase one's social capital rather than because of one's devotion to a cause. As we move into a new year, I would like to call in the outdoor industry to consider responding vs reacting and doing it authentically. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA8I4D2FVxt/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link https://www.gofundme.com/f/brown-girl-outdoor-word-gear-library?utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/DemieshaDennis https://browngirloutdoorworld.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_activism#:~:text=Performative%20activism%20is%20a%20pejorative,activism%2C%20referred%20to%20as%20slacktivism. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support

On this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking and laughing with Anna Le. We get to hear about her career as a fish biologist. I realize I risk sounding like a fool sometimes, however, I didn't learn how to fish till I was 31, and my outdoor adventures didn't begin till I was in my mid 20's. So to me, all fish looked the same and the conversation industry gets a little confusing...on so many levels but this episode speaks to hatcheries and fisheries. While there's something for everyone to learn on this episode, my target is for beginners to let them know it's okay to not know everything about fish and various species at first. I also encourage you to keep at it and over time, you'll start to understand different types of fish. We discuss the fish spawn cycle and dating. Be sure to take the poll on this episode's instagram post. We also dive into the beauty in transgendered people and fish. Please note: I am not perfect, neither is Anna, and we still make mistakes. I'm always learning and even find myself fumbling through terms working in social justice. It's work that's ever evolving...it can definitely get awkward! https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/fishtree_07#:~:text=A%20hermaphrodite%20is%20an%20organism,and%20female%20parts%20of%20reproduction.&text=The%20two%20large%20fish%20are,the%20smaller%20fish%20are%20male https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/indigenizing-love-through-dine-pride https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/8-things-you-should-know-about-two-spirit-people-294cNoIj-EGwJFOWEnbbZw --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/erica-nelson2/support