Through my journeys in music, travel, and studying martial arts, I have met some of the coolest most inspiring people on the planet. Join me as I sit down and find out what makes them tick, and why they do what they do.
Today on the podcast I have Erica Greve, Executive Director for Unlikely Heroes.Unlikely Heroes provides safe homes and restoration services for victims of human trafficking worldwide.To celebrate the premiere of the new single we have dedicated a page on our website to Unlikely Heroes. There you will find the first listen of “Coming Together” as well as information on Unlikely Heroes and their mission. They are doing very important work in their field so please support them if you can!
Today on the Satsang Podcast we have lead singer of Artikal Sound System and vinyl encyclopedia Logan Rex. We talk about touring in a predominantly male industry, her songwriting process, the ups and downs of building a band, how their band started, and do some deep dives on some of our favorite records. I was in awe of how deep Logan's musical taste and knowledge goes. She is also a Desmond Dekker fan, which automatically makes us homies. Like, share, and subscribe and listen to this episode anywhere you get your podcasts. You struggle to remember to take all the supplements you need, everyone does. You use your Granny's pill sorter and the supplements you want to take don't fit. Stop it… Go to www.onnit.com and use code “Satsang” to get yourself the Total Human. Full spectrum supplementation with all of Onnit flagship products, in an easy “day and “night” pack. Cold season is coming, get optimized boooiiii!!!
Today on the podcast we have one of the most talented musicians of our generation, although he would disagree. Mike Love is one of the most special musicians I have met. Sweet, humble, kind, and one of those rare people that when you see live… makes your jaw hit and stay on the floor. His lyrics are deep, thoughtful and important… and his playing (live or with a band) is a level of musicianship we only get to see once in a lifetime. It was my honor to get to drop in with Mike as he has known Satsang in all its iterations since its inception and some of our similarities are eerily similar.The Satsang Podcast is brought to you by the fine folks at Onnit. Are you over caffeinating every morning thinking it is helping you focus? Neurologically speaking… it isn't. Try the new Alpha Brain Black Label! Packed full of 3rd party tested ingredients to help your brain be as sharp as a sword… and just a touch of caffeine to pick you up. I don't podcast or perform with out Alpha Brain. Head to onnit.com and use code Satsang at checkout.
Today on the podcast I have Hilary Gleason, Executive Director for Backline.Backline is a 501(c)(3) non-profit that connects music industry professionals and their families with mental health and wellness resources. Their goal is to build a safer and more supportive music industry by helping our community access quality mental health care providers that understand this line of work.To celebrate the premiere of the new single we have dedicated a page on our website to Backline. There you will find the first listen of “All On Me” as well as information on Backline and their mission. The are dong very important work in the music industry so please support them if you can!
Today on the podcast I have Justin Levy, Executive Director for Conscious Alliance. I have known about Conscious Alliance since their earliest days. I would see them doing poster giveaways in exchange for canned food at shows I was attending growing up. Once I dove into their mission and how they supported those in need I was blown away. The work they do at Pine Ridge in particular is so moving to me. The idea of pairing music and music fans with helping people in need has always been the ethos of Satsang. Those same principles are the very foundation of Conscious Alliance and I could not be more honored to be working with them.To celebrate the premiere of the new single we have dedicated a page on our website to Conscious Alliance. There you will find the first listen video for “Alone With You” as well as information on Conscious Alliance and their mission. You can can also enter to win a Satsang / Conscious Alliance prize pack as well as learn how to get involved with Conscious Alliance.
Today on the podcast we have entrepreneur, realtor, coach, speaker, mentor and all around bad ass, Jimmy Rex.Jimmy and I met in ceremony last year and have continued to stay in touch. Jimmy is the founder and CEO of the "We Are The They" coaching program and social movement. He is also the host of the top-rated podcast "The Jimmy Rex Show," and author of the best-selling book "You End Up Where You're Heading," but his life is so much more. He is a real estate expert, having sold over 2500 homes in his career, with his team selling another 4000 homes to investors in the past 20 years. One of his greatest passions is helping friends and clients invest in real estate and creating lasting wealth. Jimmy owns over 30 real estate properties himself and hosts a weekly mastermind call where he discusses all things real estate investing with the top Real Estate mentors in the country. Once referred to as "The Most Interesting Man in Real Estate". Jimmy is truly an amazing cat with some great insight.This and every podcast episode are brought to you by Onnit. Did you miss the semi-annual sale? That was silly of you… however, if you go to onnit.com and use code “Satsang” you're gonna get a discount on any supplement you have been wanting to try. I can't encourage you enough to try the new Alpha Brain Black Label. It is an insanely potent nootropic with a little kick. I don't do podcasts, interviews or step on stage without it! Go see what all the fuss is about!
Today on the podcast we have Satsang guitar player and my dear brother, Stefan Kallander. Stefan is one of the funniest cats I have ever met and has one of the most unique voices on guitar. We dive deep on influences, early music, and some hilarious concert stories from when we were both youngins. This podcast is brought to you by Onnit. Take advantage of the Semi-Annual sale and save up to 60%, yes…. 60% off on your favorite Onnit supplements, equipment, gear, and nutrition.
The world lost an amazing thinker, athlete, artist, comic, motivator and stoic last week. I was blessed to share this 2 hr conversation with Netic. This conversation led to an almost daily correspondence on the happenings of the world. Be mindful of the importance of connection in your life. Be grateful for the people that “get” you and “it”. Our time here is finite and every day is a gift not a guarantee. Netic, Blessed to know you and forever grateful for you insight, words and humor. Every episode of the Satsang Podcast is brought to you by Onnit. Head over to www.onnit.com and use the code “Satsang” at checkout to save some money.
Today on the podcast we have BKFC Title Contender Taylor "Killa Bee" Starling. Killa Bee is a super sweet person. Her and I met when I was in NC training at Gymo a few years back. She has since competed in boxing, kick boxing, MMA, and is now in contention to win a world title at BKFC. When Taylor and I trained together she Ezekiel Choked me and I always wondered if she remembered… she did.This and every episode of the Satsang Podcast is brought to you by Onnit. Head over to www.onnit.com and checkout the new Alpha Brain Black Label. There is some amazing info on the benefits and this supplement has changed my life. I don't do interviews, podcasts, or shows without it. Use code “Satsang” at checkout and save a little money!
Today on the Satsang Podcast we have one of my favorite people, and the drummer for Satsang… Ben Teters. Ben is a Berklee College of Music Graduate, world music encyclopedia, one of the most creative drummers on the planet, and one of my best friends. We go in on tour life, his journey through music school, finding reggae, and all sorts of other fun shit. This and all episodes of the podcast are brought to you by Onnit. You feel low energy throughout the day, not sleeping great, workouts stalling out? Head to www.onnit.com and try the Total Human. It is every Onnit flagship product split into two convenient day and night packs. 7 days and you will see an insane difference in how you feel. Use code “Satsang” at checkout and save a little money. OPTIMIZE YOURSELF!
WE BACK!Today on the podcast we have my dear brother Aaron Alexander. Aaron is the host of the Align Podcast and author of “The Align Method” While Aaron is mostly known for his deep understanding of the human body, its movement, and how to improve it. I fell into an accidental therapy session and Aaron and I went deep AF on a whole gang of things. Particularly about thought patterns and how they serve or don' t serve us. I was left with all the feels after this one. Hope you enjoy! Like, Subscribe, Follow, etc.This and all episodes of the Satsang Podcast are brought to you by Onnit. Onnit makes the best supplements on the planet and the product I have been most excited about recently is their Grass Fed Protein. It is the smoothest easiest to drink protein I have ever used and the Mexican Chocolate flavor makes your shake taste like a cheat day. Head to onnit.com to check out this protein and their wide variety of supplements, apparel and exercise gear. Use code “Satsang” at checkout for a discount!
This week on the podcast we have Rafael Lovato Jr. Rafael is a multiple time world champion Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Athlete, former world champion MMA fighter and also a member of the Onnit family. Aside from his accomplishments in combat sports, what I really admire about Rafael is his spirit. He truly embodies what it is to be a martial artist. Fighter, coach, teacher, world traveler… we talk about it all.This and all episodes of the Satsang Podcast are brought to you by Onnit. Onnit makes the best supplements on the planet and the product I have been most excited about recently is their Grass Fed Protein. It is the smoothest easiest to drink protein I have ever used and the Mexican Chocolate flavor makes your shake taste like a cheat day. Head to onnit.com to check out this protein and their wide variety of supplements, apparel and exercise gear. Use code “Satsang” at checkout for a discount!
Today on the podcast we have my dear brother, Brady McClean who is the co-founder of Go Fast Don't Die, a modern stoic, combat sports athlete, and one of my best friends. Brady and I have done a fair amount of traveling together in our short time together and have had some real fun times. This podcast and all episodes of the podcast are brought to you by Onnit. Their supplements have absolutely changed my life. Whether using Alpha Brain before shows and podcasts, the Total Human to supplement my daily health, or my newest favorite the Mexican Chocolate Protein Powder. Head to Onnit.com and use “Satsang” at checkout for a discount!
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Today on the podcast we have my dear friend Justin Wren. Justin Wren is the founder of Fight for the Forgotten and an accomplished wrestler and Bellator MMA fighter. We go in on past trauma, healing, the work Fight for the Forgotten does and how him and I became buddies.This and every episode of the Satsang Podcast is brought to you by Onnit. Onnit makes the best supplements on the planet. I know this because I have been taking them for years. My favorite product they offer is the “Total Human” it is all of my favorite products in an easy to use day and night pack. No more sorting pills, they already did it. I feel better than I ever have since starting the Total Human packs. Head to Onnit.com and use code “Satsang” for a discount.
This week on the podcast we have professional rodeo cowboy Richmond Champion. Richmond is a fellow Montanan and a really great fella. We dive in on what it takes to do one of the craziest jobs in the world and more.This podcast is proudly brought to you by Onnit.Onnit makes the best supplements on the planet. I have been taking them for years and have found each of them,!individually, to be amazing. The Total Human has been absolutely game changing. The flagship Onnit products all pre-packaged into day and night packs to get you fully optimized without having to think about what to take.Head to www.onnit.com and use code “Satsang” at checkout for a discount!
I apologize in advance for the background noise. They are doing construction outside my office, but I felt too compelled not to record and share this with you all. In this episode I recap the tour and some deep shit uncovered on the road. This episode as well as every episode of the podcast is brought to you by @onnit. Their huge Black Friday sale goes until Sunday. Head to onnit.com and take advantage of these seasonal steals.
Me and my bestie (and tour manager) Gregory Bogard sat down before leaving for this 7 week Fall Tour and discussed what we were concerned about, excited about and what we were hopeful about.This podcast is proudly brought to you by Onnit.Onnit makes the best supplements on the planet. I have been taking them for years and have found each of them,!individually, to be amazing. The Total Human has been absolutely game changing. The flagship Onnit products all pre-packaged into day and night packs to get you fully optimized without having to think about what to take. Head to www.onnit.com and use code “Satsang” at checkout for a discount!
Today's guest is 6X BJJ World Champion Alexandre Ribeiro.Xande, to me, is the true walking essence of Jiu Jitsu. His deep spiritual connection to grappling and positive disposition is absolutely contagious. So grateful to call this fella a friend.Are you wanting to supplement your health but don't know where to start? Check out the Onnit Total Human. A day pack and night pack of all of the amazing flagship Onnit products. One pack in the morning with breakfast, one with dinner at night. It's that easy! Go to Onnit.com and use code “Satsang” at checkout for a discount.
Ryan Reyes is a dear friend and great mind. Ryan is a professional skateboarder, psychedelic advocate and activist and a really beautiful person. We talk about psychedelics (of course) but really go deep on how they're influencing culture and kindness. We also get to deep dive on skate culture, it's evolution, and how Ryan's ridiculously unique and original approach to environment shaped him into one of the most stylistic skaters of our time.Every Satsang Podcast Episode is brought to you by Onnit. My most asked question by people new to wellness and health supplementation is, “What should I get?” I always recommend “Total Human”. Take the guess work out and get all the badass Onnit flagship products in an easy to use morning and night pack. Take one pack with breakfast and one with dinner... it's that simple. Go to www.onnit.com and use code “satsang” for a discount on your order!
On todays episode of the Satsang Podcast we have life coach, philosopher, parent, and community leader Preston Smiles. Preston and I deep dive on growth, overcoming past beliefs and ways, and stepping into unity and awakening through hard work. Like, Share, Subscribe!Every Satsang Podcast Episode is brought to you by Onnit. My most asked question by people new to wellness and health supplementation is, “What should I get?” I always recommend “Total Human”. Take the guess work out and get all the badass Onnit flagship products in an easy to use morning and night pack. Take one pack with breakfast and one with dinner... it's that simple. Go to www.onnit.com and use code “satsang” for a discount on your order!
Today on the podcast we have my dear friend, world changer, David Vobora. David is the founder of the nonprofit Adaptive Training Foundation and I was lucky enough to visit the gym and I saw people told they would never walk again, exercising, jumping, lifting weights. One of the most inspirational days of my life and one of the most inspiring group of people I have met. This podcast is brought to you by @onnit Head to www.onnit.com and use code “Satsang” at checkout for a discount. The Total Human has been an absolute game changer for me. Not sure what products to try? The total human is pretty packaged flagship products for morning and night. Take the guess work out and get optimized!!
Today on the podcast we have my brother, Kyle Kingsbury. Kyle is a former UFC Fighter, was previously head of human optimization at Onnit, and most recently a coach at Fit for Service.Kyle and I drop in on parenthood, psychedelics, transitioning out of fighting, and a whole gaggle of other stuff. As always please like, subscribe, share and listen!This episode is brought to you by Onnit. Go to onnit.com/satsang to save 10% on all my favorite products.
WE BACK! Today on the podcast we have my dear brother, Rashad Evans. Rashad is a UFC Hall of Famer, former Light Heavyweight Champion, father, psychedelic advocate, philosopher, and overall just one of my favorite humans on the planet. We go deep on his career, martial arts, and our experiences with life changing plant medicines, and most importantly... how we can be kind, sentient leaders in this crazy time. Like, subscribe and download! This podcast is brought to you by Onnit. Go to onnit.com/satsang to save 10% on all my favorite products.
Del Jolly is the founder and operator of Unlimited Sciences. They are an organization who is collecting data on the positive effects of responsible psilocybin use with Johns Hopkins University. The data is showing across the board that PTSD, depression, anxiety, fear of death, and a whole slew of other mental illness can be treated and sometimes even cured through proper administration of psilocybin. We also dive deep on the culture effects of not having rights of passage and ceremony, as well as our approach to fatherhood. Tune in, share and subscribe... and go follow Unlimited Sciences.Please like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today on the Satsang Podcast we have Dr. Nicole LaPera. Nicole is a Doctor of psychology, New York Times best selling author, and overall inspirational bad ass. We go deep on some of the subjects covered in her brand new book “How To Do The Work” ENJOY!Please like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today on the podcast we have a personal hero of mine... Mr. CT Fletcher. CT is a heart transplant survivor, a champion power lifter, an accidental fitness influencer, and one of the baddest dudes on planet earth. We talk faith, lifting, excuses and overcoming.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
On today’s podcast we have the frontman of the legendary O.A.R... Mr. Marc Roberge. Marc is a phenomenal songwriter, a dad, husband, and just a down ass fella. We talk about how songwriting is how we process, the humbleness of growth, and staying close to your roots. So much respect for Marc and really hope to reconnect in the future.Please like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
This weeks episode of the podcast features Chris Shiflett. Chris plays guitar for the Foo Fighters, has an amazing body of solo work, and hosts one of my favorite podcasts “Walking The Floor” We talk a lot about guitar tones, the differences of touring in a van, bus, plane, and the middle of the Venn diagram between country and punk rock... it exists, listen to the podcast. Like, share, subscribe, and kill your television.Please like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today on the podcast we have my dear brother Ben Spellman. Founder of Good Vibes Movement. They have moved from donation based Yoga into full on community service. Free food programs, after school programs, free coats, shoes... you name a need in Des Moines’s underserved communities, and Ben and his people are providing it and asking for nothing but good vibes in return.
Today on the podcast we have JP Sears. JP is a comedian, father, freedom lover, and just a real fun hang. We go into the nuanced nature of these weird things that we face as a culture in this time, and what it takes to make sure we are staying intentional, grounded, and honest with ourselves. Really loved this chat and can’t wait to talk with JP again.
Today on the podcast we have WBC Atomweight Boxing World Champion Louisa “Bang Bang” Hawton. Lulu is a pretty rad lady. Former professional skateboarder, mother, boxer, and overall just super inspiring. We y’all about everything from boxing and how she found that path, the pandemics effect on the sport, overcoming depression with discipline, and a whole other array of awesomeness. Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
On today’s podcast we have my Mom! We talk about the music I grew up on, the music she grew up on and what it was like raising an animal like me. We also go into what it was like to finally record on a song together!Please like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today on the Satsang Podcast we have Brad Corrigan from one of my favorite bands; Dispatch. Brad is a singer-songwriter, humanitarian, activist, father, and now one of my friends. Brad and I hit it off right away and I am really grateful he said yes to coming on the show. Not only so you guys can hear everything we go into, but because him and I got to connect. Please like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today on the podcast we have Aubrey Marcus. Aubrey is the host of his own very successful podcast, founder of Onnit, seeker, warrior, fitness aficionado, teacher, and just all around bad ass. I have wanted to chat with Aubrey for a while and I look forward to continuing to know this fella. Like, subscribe, share, and leave a review. Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
On todays podcast we have one of my favorite fighters of all time. 2x UFC Bantamweight Champion TJ Dillashaw. Not only is TJ one of the greatest to ever step in the octagon, he is a really solid dude. Super humble, family focused, business driven, and loves to grind. It is always really refreshing to talk to athletes that have ascended to the level he has that have maintained a solid footing in grace, gratitude, and humbleness. TJ is the real deal. Enjoy.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today on the podcast we have Nathan Aurora from Iya Terra. Nathan is a phenomenal musician, writer, producer, and human. He and I go in on the truth behind getting a band off the ground, humble beginnings in stinky vans, self booking, and getting kicked in the nuts by COVID. Have always felt like Nate and I were on the same wavelength, and after this long chat it was proven to be fact.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
This week on the podcast we have one of the sweetest humans I have ever met. A true warrior and gifted athlete Impa Kasanganay.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
This week on the podcast we have somebody I have wanted to chat with for a long time. Green Beret, Ranger, UFC Veteran, owner of Sheepdog Response a great mind and exemplary American, Mr. Tim Kennedy. I wanted to have Tim on to get his take on some of the current issues surrounding identity politics, and what draws people to participate in them. As well as how we end up with such poor leadership choices when we have such a pool of great minds in this country. We hit current events, US History, extremism, antidotes to identity politics, and a gang of other shit. This episode is a must listen. Thanks for chatting with me Tim, you’re a bad ass.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today’s podcast we sit down with Chasen Shreve. Chasen is an MLB Pitcher, mindfulness practitioner, and just an over all rad guy. We talk everything from the polarization of social media, the craziness of being a free agent, division by extremism, and meditation.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
This week on the podcast we have my best bro Karl Roth. Karl and I have almost known each other longer than we haven’t. He has created every Satsang record with me and handles pretty much all machine interfacing that happens in that process. We talk about how that has pretty much always been our relationship, some of the most ridiculous tour stories in Satsang history, and talk about our tenure in Chicago as professional bar flies. If you want an inside look at the relationship me and this fella have... this is the one to tune into.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
A few weeks ago on a drive, a song came on a playlist that I super dug. The song was “Southland” by Lindsay Lou. I decided to dig into her whole catalog and I found myself listening to some of the songs 3-5 times in a row. The only band I have ever done this with is Tom Petty. After weeks of listening to her music, we reached out to have her on the podcast and she said yes. Tune in this Friday as we talk about punk rock, traditional music, writing and how Nashville is still as cool as it ever was.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
This week we have my bro Cas Haley on the podcast. Cas is one of my favorite songwriters of all time. He is also one of the sweetest, most down to earth humans on the planet. I can’t wait to get into it with him and hear about all his new music, projects, and ventures.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today we have Jamie Kilstein on the podcast. He is a stand up comedian, Brazilian JIu Jitsu practitioner, and makes the funniest fuckin memes and videos this side of the Mississip. He also Co-hosts Rear Naked Radio which is 1 of like 3 podcasts I listen to. Make sure and tune in, I promise we will talk about more than Jits... maybe.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
On this week's podcast we have my Manager, main man, co-conspirator, and bestie Matthew Fritz on the podcast. Matt and I have one of the most involved and interesting working relationships of any artist/manager I know. We don’t take breaks and we talk 3-5x a day. If you have ever wondered what it’s like behind the curtain, I would tune in.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
On this episode of the podcast we have Muay Thai Champion and owner and Head Coach of Classic Fight Team, Mr. Tyler Wombles. Real stoked for this one!Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today we sittin' down with the one, the only G Love. Dream come true to chat with, create with and know this fella. Go follow the podcast and tell your friends!!Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
If you listen to only one podcast this month, please listen to this episode. Aja Black from The Reminders is one of the most intelligent and articulate people I have ever met. We unpack a lot in this one, and she breaks down to us the importance of stories, cultural representation, unity, the invention of whiteness and healing. I was truly rocked by this conversation. I hope that y’all will tune in to listen to this one. Will flip your whole shit.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
Today we have former UFC and WEC World Champion Benson Henderson on the podcast. We talk about, family, fighting, healthy lifestyle, God, and the importance of hard work. Both our kids also make cameos.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
After being asked to do a Q&A Podcast for quite a while I reached out and asked for questions. And you guys sent in some amazing ones. I sat down last week and went through them all and did my best to share as honestly as possible. I hope you guys enjoy this bonus episode! We will still be releasing our regular Friday episode as well!Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.
On this episode we have UFC Welterweight Bryan “Bam Bam” Barbarena on the podcast. We talk about his unorthodox path into fighting and the importance of putting family first.Merch: https://www.satsangmovement.com/storePlease like, share, subscribe and leave a review. It helps us reach more people with the podcast.