Podcasts about Venn

In this episode Scott Becker discusses the Venn diagram of career and professional success.

This week, presenter Dan Hall catches-up with four previous guests and hears their latest tunes. Returning to the microphone are Billy Mick, Venn Smyth, Cory Stewart and Carrington Kelso.Billy talks about his imminent new album, and his development of a one-man cabaret show for the international cruise ship market. Cory discusses his brilliant community-focused Queerantine initiative as well as his cross-Atlantic collaboration with producer Edward Russell from the ‘Inside the Groove' podcast.Venn drops a special voicemail to listeners to introduce his new record ‘Sober' which in February 2023 raced to the top of the LGBTQ Music Charts. And finally Carrington chats with Dan about his new album and the joys of musically freeing himself from expectations. The podcast is on Twitter (@inthekeyofq), Insta (@inthekeyofq) and Facebook (search: In the Key of Q).Queers Revisited Part 2 drops on 21 March 2023.

On this week's episode we hear from Max Tani, media reporter at news startup Semafor. He tells us how he came to Semafor; the Venn diagram between media, politics, Hollywood and pretty much everything else in life; about Semafor's attempts to balance out news and opinion; and whether covering the White House was anything like The West Wing. In the news roundup the team looks at a bad week for broadcasters, from the BBC's war against Gary Lineker, through Fox News' risible defence in the Dominion lawsuit, to GB News' £31m loss in its first operating year.  Here's to the next 250 episodes!

The Art of Authentic Branding: Standing Out in a Competitive Market In today's highly competitive market, having a strong brand is essential for any business. But how do you create an authentic brand that resonates with your target audience? In this episode of Beyond 7 Figures, Re Perez, CEO of Branding For The People, shares his expertise in branding and developing a brand strategy that attracts and retains loyal customers. According to Re, branding is the process of creating, shaping, and influencing the desired perception of your brand. Your brand should be authentic, unique, and relevant to your target audience. He emphasizes the importance of understanding your target clients and tailoring your marketing efforts to meet their needs and preferences. You can stand out in a crowded market and drive long-term business growth by positioning your brand in the three domains of credibility, uniqueness, and relevancy. Key takeaways: Authenticity is a key component of a successful brand. Positioning your brand in credibility, uniqueness, and relevancy domains can help attract and retain customers. Using a Venn diagram can help identify your brand's unique position in the market. Understanding your target clients is essential in developing a successful brand strategy. Hiring a business coach can provide invaluable guidance and support in developing and implementing effective branding strategies. All this and more, on this week's episode of  Beyond 7 Figures. Don't miss out on our next episode of Beyond 7 Figures, where we'll discuss Unlocking Financial Growth: The Ultimate Guide to Achieving Scalability. We'll cover everything from building strong business foundations to scaling markets and effective strategies for growth. So, don't forget to subscribe to the show to get that episode as soon it gets released. Until then, be profitable. Links: https://brandingforthepeople.com/

Keep the dream alive. This week, Jimmy and Larry are soberly keeping it together after a work lunch to talk cool black guys asking James how his sneakers fit, whether or not you should wake up your seatmate on a flight, American Airlines sucking ass, a dubious day trip to Atlanta and how our boy Viggo saved our ass, top 5 wings all time, charming hostesses with titty tattoos, airport al fresco sushi, when southern hospitality goes wrong, the Fab 5's lack of a Venn diagram jawn, Big Wet going big turbo on the lanes, twinks tossing 10s, how TF ultimately fared at Nolita Dirtbag's bowling night, new ways to know Lawrence is drunk, the butterfly effect of putting Gus Dapperton on to his bowling team destroying you, gossiping over McDonald's at Chef's new crib, St. John x Drake's living up to all expectations and much more. For more Throwing Fits, check us out on Patreon: www.patreon.com/throwingfits.

It's hard to deny that we are in a recession, but how can you put your brand and business in a position to still succeed? Can you even succeed in a recession?Three Things You'll Learn in This EpisodeHow can your site convert clients?How to generate more referrals.What being authentic looks like in the marketing world.ResourceCheck Out LeadpopsReal Estate Marketing DudeThe Listing Advocate (Earn more listings!)REMD on YouTubeREMD on InstagramTranscript:So how do you track new business, you constantly don't have to chase it. Hi, I'm Mike Cuevas to real estate marketing. And this podcast is all about building a strong personal brand people have come to know, like trust and most importantly, refer. But remember, it is not their job to remember what you do for a living. It's your job to remind them. Let's get started.What's up ladies and gentlemen, welcome to their episode of the real estate marketing, dude, podcast. Books we're chatting about.Today is a very important topic, I get this question quite a lot, but maybe not as much as our guest. And people always asked me like, kind of, what should I do with like, what do I do when I have a site? First they asked me is do I need a site? And I say, yes, absolutely. If you want to have any type of an online presence, you need something, because people will go visit your site before they ever call you because they want to see what you're all about. They want to see if they can relate to you and they're whatnot. But beyond just having a glorified online business card, which a lot of people do in this market, how do you actually have a site that converts? What do you do with it? How do you massage it? How do you work it out, like, if I want a six pack, I'm gonna do less situps. And I'm going to eat healthier, probably stop drinking beer and doing all the above? Well, if you want your site to, you know, start spitting you out business, you need to add to it as well, no differently. Like I have this podcast, you're listening to this podcast right now, because we're getting about 40 to 45,000 listens a month. Thank you to you guys. And a result of this content that goes on my website drives people back to our website. And some of you might schedule a demo with a marketing dude this week, because of this podcast. That's what content creation is. But I create content to consistently add value to our audience. And to keep people coming in this is marketing the same way that we teach you how to market your business on the show, and as a client and whatnot. So what we're gonna chat about today is that subject, what can you do? What can you do? What can you push? What what do you do with a website? Let's just sit there. You just look at it. Do you talk to it? How do you massage your website? Make it work for you? Right? So I couldn't think of a better guest. I want to introduce our guests today. My friend Mr. Jason Fraser with lead pops, Jason wants to say hello to everybody. Hey, what's up, everyone, I'm excited to be here. Thank you. Thank you, my friend for having me on. I appreciate it. watched everyone a little bit. We are your frickin marketing whiz. He's like the mark. He's like a genius at a lot of his marketing ways. And he might be too modest to tell you that. But once you tell him a little bit about your background, cuz you do a lot in the mortgage space and whatnot. But tell us a little quick. And then we'll get into thisshow. And I want to ask you a bunch of questions on how you're making websites work for people that create clients. Yep, absolutely. Yeah. So my name is Jason Fraser. I go but just by Fraser and I've been in the industry since oh nine. I was born into the housing industry. My family owned a mortgage company and also had a family members who were real estate agents as well. So the housing industry is in my blood, but I didn't get into it till oh nine. Prior to that I worked for Peter Thiel, who some of you may know as the founder of PayPal. So I come I was born and raised in the San Francisco Bay area. So I came from Silicon Valley, technology startups venture capital world, that's kind of where I lived and then decided to join the family business in oh nine. And I've been a part of that I've held several executive roles. Chief Marketing Officer, Chief Strategy Officer,CTO, I've run sales teams are in Consumer Direct Marketing, I've coached or I am a coach, and I have coached both on the real estate side and the mortgage side. And right now I am the EVP of growth for lead pumps.Cool, man, so he has a lot of experience. Right now you guys are doing a bigthing and in showing people on how to deal with their sites I want to start with with this and get your first opinion. We're start at the very basics. Do we need to have a website in our business? Do a mortgage brokers or lenders or real estate agents? If you're an independent contractor or small business, do you need a website? Yes, you absolutely do. And it's it's funny look. And hopefully, if you have a lot, I mean, it sounds like you got a good amount of listeners per month. And so I probably don't have to let people know this. But if you are one of the Yeah, buts like, oh, yeah, but I'm doing this and yeah, but I'm doing this and yeah, but yeah, you need a website, right? I mean, you're you're absolutely insane. If you don't feel that you need a website right now, I'm not saying you need our one of ours that we do, because honestly, we're not a website company. But but we provide that but because it's important, but you absolutely need a website. It's it the we're going we're not backtracking from an online world, right. You need to your online property and websites, how you do it. And, and so, you know, I know we're gonna talk about a lot of different things. But this is what I want every listener to write down right now because it's going to be the foundation of everything I talked about because look, there's alwaysis a reason to say, hey, but I could do this, I could do that. But here, just because you're getting business does not mean that you're losing business. So I'm going to say that again, just because you're getting business does not mean you're losing business, right? And so when you don't have an offer, when you don't have a website, you're absolutely missing out on opportunities. There's no debate in that at all. Look, if websites didn't matter, you wouldn't how many times you go to website in a given day? Right? Case Closed? Let's let's, let's stop playing around with that websites are important. But wait, I, I have a pageon my broker's website.Why isn't that suffice? Well, well, actually, there's two things for that. One is, you can have that. But what I will say and I said this, even during recruiting calls and whatnot to other loan officers, is that you're not the lenders brand. The lenders brand is you so you're the face of everyone you're talking to. If I'm talking to real estate professionals, you're the face of a kW and exp real what wherever your compass whoever brokerage and look, even though they may have a big bite, and people have heard that name before the consumers and dealing with them, their consumers dealing with you, right, and if you're a mortgage professional, guess what agents consumers, they're dealing with you and right and, and I can tell you 100% And the mortgage space, there's only one main mortgage brand, and that's rocket. But when people referring people, they don't say hey, I'm referring movement mortgage, I'm referring loan depot, they're not referring the company that referring you. And and here's the plain truth, even if you love the company, chances are you're not going to work there forever. So you never want to tie everything to your brokerage or your your lender, yes, have that directory page, use it and get an actual we have a solution to help lenders because lenders are definitely not leveraging those those pages. But you need to have your own property where you could tell your own story that can be moved with you otherwise, because guess what, what happens if forget, let's say you don't leave them What if they go out of business and look in this market, we're seeing a lot of people kind of go belly up. And then what happens then if all you've been using is something that you don't control. And if you don't control the way people can get to you, then you don't have a business?Absolutely, you're the brand. No one's hiring the bank. That's why the worst thing you could do as an independent contractor is make your broker more money or more brand. The best thing you could do as an independent contractor is make your broker more money or more brand. You can't really go wrong either way. Exactly. But you are the brand, guys. So thank you for reinforcing that message. Alright, so yes, spokespeople are gonna go to your site to check you out first, especially if you don't know them, you know, maybe not so much in the relationship game. Oh, I trust my god, trust by God, great. But let's be honest, even the people that trust you still go to your website? You just don't know it yet. Because they're just sort of like, dude, do I really trust Mike? I mean, last time I saw him, he was pretty drunk. Am I gonna trust him with his house? Like, sometimes you need that little more professional? Not that I got wrong. But you know what I mean? Yeah. But people know you personally don't always know you don't always see you in the same light professionally. And it's more of an authority type thing. So walk me through it, though. Where do most of us go wrong? Because it we both agree on this guy's you need to say, yep, stop playing the game. If you don't have a site, you don't have a brand. If you don't have a brand, you don't have a business, and you're just another salesperson chasing the challenge, just a matter of time till shift takes you out. And that's what's happening right now across the industry. So let's go through and talk about how many people that have a brand during the shift.Are weathering the storm a little bit better? I mean, have you ever noticed like everyone who has a site has a lot of content on it? You see, I'm pretty active consistently on social media, their marketing consistently? Like, sure business might be down a little bit, but they're not starving. Is that a coincidence? Is that what is that? No, I mean, absolutely not. And look, there's what I always say, because as a coach, in fact, I just had this as a call a few days ago, is that it's never just one thing. It's a combination of things that you do from a marketing perspective, right? So let me put it this way. If you signed up with lead pops today and got our website and funnels, that would do absolutely nothing for you. Right, I'm gonna say that again. It will do absolutely nothing for you, right? You got to drive traffic to it, you got to use it, you got to put it in your marketing strategy, you got to have a plan for it. You got to do all these different things. And so what I would say for those that are weathering the storm and they say well, I know this guy knew that his website doesn't look nice or whatever and we'll get into that of what matters on the website and what doesn't but the but the point is is that the people that I see it hands down the people that I see that have weathered the storm that are doing deals in markets where someone else some someone's telling me oh, there's no deals that have there's no purchase business. Oh, really? Oh, then how come you know how come Doug's got 12 loans in his pipeline, right like and six of those are under contract and in a market that you told me is doesn't have any inventory and not deals because of marketing, right? And that takes all fourMost people think of marketing they're think, Oh, I gotta be on social media marketing is flyers. Marketing is Billboards, radio marketing is talking to freaking people at the supermarket is doing anything and everything to have conversations with people. That's what increased conversations equals opportunities. Right. So like, that's what people need to understand is the people that are actually doing okay right now is because it's, it's a consistent long term effect, right? Like they're trading on stuff that they did 90 days ago, 120 days ago, two months ago, two years ago, right? Those are the people that are okay, right now I have, I have a friend that just got his loan officer license like six months ago, and here and then we're in a pretty damn competitive market. And he's doing deals that I know other people have been in this business for two years that are are dying. And it's like, what's the difference? Oh, maybe because he's on social media everyday doing videos, how he's talking, he's going out there, he's doing anything and everything to create to create a sphere of influence, right. So that's what people are doing. And yes, driving traffic back to his website, so that you could capture that information.The only recession proof or shift proof business model is your personal brand, you guys, you can't like not feed the beast, because when you don't, and you rely on lead sources or other things you don't control, like a lot of the people. And I don't know how you might see this more in the mortgage space. But I know a lot of people who are relying on Zillow leads or realtor.com leads once that market shifts and the consumer mentality shifts, well, you can no longer rely on that source of just independent business, because it just you know, the numbers just don't work anymore. So you can never rely on stuff you can't control. And it's only a matter. It's a house of cards waiting for when you do that. And I like how you said that it's a cumulative cumulative that I say that correctly approach to marketing, it's direct mail, it's flyers, it's the picture you have, it's the consistent of videos you're doing. And it's a it's an overall communication strategy. Marketing is not advertising, is it? No, advertising is a form of marketing. But can you explain the difference so that people see that? Because you can't you do a little bit of both, right. ButI think people often confuse that. Yeah, cuz so I mean, to put it simply, right, it's because in look, we could get into the full stack of marketing, but advertising is AP, is that, right? Like, it's putting your replays on a billboard, it's doing something at a supermarket, it's, it's running ads, right? That is advert to putting something in a magazine or a paper or whatever that is advertising. That's a part of marketing. But like I said, marketing is you having conversations marketing is, is an extension of sales. In fact, I always like break down those barriers, sales is marketing, marketing and sales, right? Anytime you're having a conversation, guess what you're selling yourself, you're selling your services, you're selling your products, that is marketing, right? Like it's putting any type of positive and positive spin or diagnosing of like a challenge and solution to someone so that you can bring them in and help them right. So that's the difference. Really, when it comes down to marketing and advertising. They're not one in the same. Advertising is a piece of marketing. But marketing is not a piece of advertising, right? And it's one of those things, it's just one comes before the other and if you're just doing advertising and nothing else, you're gonna have a hard time. It's very tough. Very tough, because you're just, it's hard. It's almost impossible nowadays. Alright, so what am I what should I be doing now? You know, like, what, what should I be doing right now? I'm all I create content. Okay, so get really loud gets super loud. What do you tell all your peeps? Yeah, I mean, for, you know, kind of going back to one of the original questions as far as like, you know, what you should be doing is, is, is when it's your website, and what, when what you think is important or what not? It like, it's not like, Guess what, consumers don't care, right? They don't care about your as much as people like, look, Simon Sinek has done a great job at like, doing the why and having those talks and everyone feels good and wants to hug each other afterward. But guess what? The consumer cares about three things write themselves in the morning noon, and after supper, right? I think Dell Carnegie said that. That's the consumer doesn't care about your why that they don't buy why you do things, right. They don't know you yet. So they don't give a crap about you and why you do things until they know you and like you, then they will learn about you and your why and all that other stuff. But instead, people make all these websites to make it all pretty and nice and do all these things when the consumer doesn't care about that. And look, I have the data because we have 2500 plus customers of websites that I look at the heat maps to see where people are paying their pay attention to and all they care about is above the fold, meaning your hero section which is like your image, video, whatever, you got to have a strong headline, sub headline, a call to action and tell them where they need to go. That's what lead pops. We don't focus on making very pretty websites even though we do we focus on conversion, because that's all that matters. Do you want a nice looking website? Or do you want a nice looking website that converts? Right, I think and if you said if you don't then get out of the business because you're going to you're going to starve right unless you have someone else to speak and a lot of money for you andAnd so when it comes to that guy's like people actually on the mortgage side, you know, for your all your mortgage listenersget choked up about this. But when the is that you send people to your Apply Online link, we call that apply or die. It's, it's the worst thing you could do you put someone that doesn't know you, like you, or even trust you into an instant buying decision of something that's going to be their biggest financial transaction in their life.So like, give me your it's like, an ask for like, the social security number and like, like, yeah,why not? Right? Yeah, let's just let's just do that. Like, look, guys, like, that's, that's not how we do it, you know, we evolve, things change. And so. So that's, that's the what you guys got to figure out. And that's what we focus on. We focus on conversion, we focus on you know, soft, yes. Ladders and stuff to get people saying yes, yes, yes. And then you hit him. And then eventually you it's just it's funnel marketing, very simplistic. And then, you know, to your, you know, to your question about content. Look, right now, I'll tell you right now, who's going to win in this market, the people with the largest databases with the highest amount of trust, right you want if you want to create a never ending, and look this, this is future proof, right? It doesn't matter and a down market, up market, middle market, it doesn't matter where you are, Phil, if you want to have a never ending pipeline, you need to talk to people and put people in your database. And here's one fundamental rule of marketing that everyone needs to understand. And look, you could anyone could argue with me, debate me challenge me on it, but I will throw right back at him the proof that I'm right, and that is whoever spends the most amount to acquire customer wins. Right?And if you see that with like, like, look at look at how many, you mentioned Zillow earlier, right? There's a reason why an agency you actually helped this happen and mortgage providers mortgage lenders to, but that no one gets more real estate traffic than Zillow. Right? And there's a reason for that, right? Because they spent the money they did what they did they did the you know, the the frog and kind of a slow boil pot. Right, you know, it didn't know that it was getting boiled, but it did. And then on the mortgage side, same with like rocket right. Even though they've been they've been knocked down, you know, by UW M. That it's, it's they spent money on marketing, right? Zillow spent a lot of money on marketing, rockets, biggest expense is marketing. But there's a reason for that. So you got to understand that you got to put yourself out there, you got to be marketing every single day because you got to be filling that database, and then understand this very fundamental rule when it comes to lead generation. Everybody's a lead, but not everyone's a prospect. Right? And you got to you got to differentiate to everyone, like just talk to someone, they raise their hand and automatically they're a prospect before you qualify and renew anything to do it. Right. This is sells one on one. Right? So you just got to understand that you're having conversations with everyone, because you want everyone you can in your database. Because the more conversations you have, the more deals you're going to do. Yep, books 10 to 15% of the people on your Facebook feed. Following you connect with on Instagram you run across in the grocery store you see at your kids soccer games, and baseball games, they're moving this year. Most of them don't know it yet. But all 100% of them have referral for you. In a referral dominated business, like don't overthink this stuff. But if you're not thought of firstyou that gets passed up, that's just an opportunity. So like 80% of people I don't do you know, the number for the mortgage space. I know in the real estate agents 80% of people over it's like 80, for some like that hire the first person they meet with, you know, what that is in the lending space is similar? It? I don't know, I don't know what it is in the mortgage space. I've never really i But to me, I kind of take that as like, because I look at look at it this way. A consumer is a consumer regardless of product, right? So I would imagine those percentages are roughly going to be the same because I will say this and you may you'll probably notice on the real estate side, at large and and in the mortgage space, the retention of that once you do a deal with the consumer, the retention is about 23% or 22% of that customer and I think in the real estate, it's in the teens last time I saw that you do a good job doesn't mean that they're coming back, right? Yeah, well, that's because people stopped talking to him in the real estate space, like 80% of people forgot their agents name like the agents name, they don't even know the first name anymore after six months, because we don't stay in touch with them. And if you're having a problem with that, guys, I'm going to take a shameless plug real quick you need to get to referral sweet.com All right referral suite.com Because all we do is farm your database and make it really simple. I just need one to two hours a month from you and that's about it. And people stop forgetting you exist but back to the show.Yes, that's it's crazy that we don't stay in front of them but we don't look at past business as future transactions because we're too short sighted. You don't spike the football on loan number one you spike the football and referral number four from the person you sold loan when were one four years ago. That's when you spike the football in these types of relationship based businesses guys, don't be so short sighted.it.Alright, so what do you do now? Give me some advice. What are we going to do with the market? How do I get loud? What do I how do I get more and more conversations? What kind of activities specifically should I be doing?Yeah, I mean, that's a good question. And to me, I think it's like I mentioned the beginning, it's a combination of things that you need to have a an omni channel, attack writer strategy, and that's social media. And that doesn't mean you have to be on everything doesn't mean you have to be on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, whatever, every channel is different. For first and foremost, it's understand where your audience is, right? That's, that's first and look, I could even go even back more and say, hey, you need to have a CRM and all that other stuff. But look, that the fact that it's 2023, and we're still having the conversation and trying to convince, I'm still trying to convince people on social media, which is stupid, but I've also got to the point, I don't know if it's my age, or just because I've been in this industry long enough. But like, I stopped trying to convince, as soon as I get into any type of conversation, I'm like, is this not for me?Okay, good, fantastic. There's no nothing for me to talk about, because we're already going to lose. And so either you're gonna lose today, you're gonna lose down the road, but you will lose, right? And, and soyou need to be you need to be putting yourself out there right in and look, I could get into the stupid stuff of like, hey, you need to be telling stories. And, and obviously, you know, we're on this podcast to be doing video, right? The fact that we're still having conversations about the importance of video is freaking ridiculous to me, too. But that's what you need to be doing and understanding where one understand your audience. Who are you trying to reach? Where are they at? And then what problem you're solving for them and under and going deep. And I have this issue with loan officers all the time, is that there's reasons people are buying and selling, right? It's not simply because they want to move, there's a reason why they want to move. Understand that because the more the more specific right and personalise your messaging is, is going to be 10x to 20x more effective than what your competition is doing. Right. In fact, I'd say it's even more and it's because our competition looks for the least path of resistance, they look for the easy way out, they look for shortcuts, they look for hacks, they want to do anything but work when it comes to marketing and putting stuff out there, right? Or they'll buy leads because they think that's deals on a platter. It isn't right and so and I've done this both on the real estate side and the mortgage side, andso you should be putting content out there you absolutely should be using hyperlocal marketing strategies and your business because people care about where they live. You should also be using email marketing, right? Like that kind of went out of style was starting to go out of style not too long ago, but now it's it's made a pretty big comeback. And I'll tell you this email is your only one to one connection that you're going to have because guess what you do not you This is why you don't build a mansion on rented land, right? Like you don't control Facebook, you don't control Instagram, every time I hear someone complain about the Facebook algorithm or the you know, the Instagram algorithms like what do you think they were going to do? Do you think they were just going to be free and fun and fair for their entire life, they're a business they need to make money so just get over it so that but but if you have an online property, you have that one to one connection via email, that's how you stay in front of it. That's how you control you track your traffic because if you don't do that, then you could get slapped by Google with an algorithms change and if you're running ads, those I remember running like Zillow long form in the beginning when I was doing Consumer Direct, right oh, it was really nice getting those 12 to $14 leads but guess what, when two years went by and those were 60 the ad right and then you're looking at a three to 4% conversion rate maybe a six to nine month nurture right like that's real money we're talking about except but guess what, you just completely went into their basket you are completely dependent on them so you had no you know, no choice but the pay to play none of these companies are evil right we make them evil because of what of the of their practices but what we gave them the power to do it so what are we complaining complaining about beat them right compete don't just stop doing it. I I have people I hate and it's crazy to me like I get it on the real estate side. Not really but I do.On the mortgage side. If you are paying any type of money to Zillow, you are insane, you are insane and your main bread and membrane will shout out to Cypress Hill. They're for dinosaurs like me, but Cypress Hill, but But it's insane because on a lender, they're they they are a lender. Zillow is a mortgage lender. And then when everyone comes back, man, it's like well, this and that. And I'm like me ask you this. You're at loan depot, right? Yeah. Malone depot, would you pay movement? Would you pay movement mortgage for leads? Oh, absolutely not. What's the difference? Extra zero. And so that that's what I'm saying, Guys, you got to control your traffic. You got to control your sources of income. You got to control where the consumer is going to find you. Because that's the only way you're going to stay relevant long term and not be dependent on someone else for your success. Because that's never a winning formula.He hit it on the head.So many people aren't using email, we're video emailing consistently, every month, we're going to 40% open rate. And the videos have nothing to do with real estate or lending or anything. They're like talking about a restaurant, their community, their local. And it's just reminders, you don't need to, like when we're just there's different types of databases andthe warm database are like all the list of people who all have the potential to refer or do business with you. And staying in touch with that audience. And those people the 200 to 300 400 people you invite to your wedding or funeral with an unlimited budget on both are the ones that you just nurture and you're not nurturing, like, just staying in touch with people, if you don't own your own data, you're in the data collection business, just like I am, like, I listened to my stats, I want to build my email list because the larger my list or my database grows, the more opportunity I have to sell more people our services. So we don't in the industry don't nurture any of the relationships we have. And then they get pissed when you log on the Facebook Like fuck, they just bought a house and they forgot I was in the business. Dude, you gotta like farm these people, you farm them with content, it's very simple. And you have to nurture and keep in touch with people because it's a giant popularity contest. Nobody wants to go interview a bunch of lenders or realtors, like, that's like the last thing I want to do. Can you imagine like, going on a speed dating round with a bunch of mortgage brokers like I'd rather watch fucking paint dry. And same thing with realtors, they just want to know they could trust the first person they meet with will start becoming the first person they meet with you do that by getting really loud, you're adding value to other people's lives connecting with people. You don't have to pitch them or sell your freakin interest rates or, or go see a house and every conversation you have. But you do need to remind them what you do for a living. And that's very simple to do.Well, that dude, very well said, Any closing thoughtsyou have here for people? Yeah, and you know, I'll put my coaching hat on here for a second is Look, I told you what to write down in the beginning, which was you know, just because you're making you're doing business doesn't mean you're losing business. And I'll tell you this is you gotta write, it's kind of like a Venn diagram, you gotta write two circles. One is what you want to hear and what you need to hear, right? And be very honest with yourself and what you want to be told and what you need to be told, right, and then the intersection of those two, that's where the gold is, right? Because that's something that you're going to lean into and do. And if you don't find that, then you got an issue, and you got it. And you gotta kind of audit yourself on what you're doing. But you know, to a lot of the stuff that we talked about, about, you know, being you know, one is the nurture processes, you should be spending as much money, if not more on your retention, and your post close as you do trying to acquire that customer, right, you spend more money on the people you do know, as opposed to the people you don't know. And we don't do that at all. Because it's not sexy. It's not instant gratification. It's not instant ROI. So we you know, we forget about it, we leave it to some you know, crappy CRM post drip about winterizing your pipes, pumpkin pie recipes, you know, fall back, spring forward, all that other nonsense that turn back the clock and turn back to you know, we're, that's not going to keep you top of mind. Right. And that's why that community piece is so relevant is because as as a sales professional, especially in a community, is that is that you all you care about is attention and awareness of who you are. That's all you should care about. Right? It doesn't have to be about your house, or being a mortgage professional or any of that other stuff. Right? Yes, tell them what you do make sure that that's part of your content strategy. But if someone just does did it, if you just sold someone's house, right, they don't care about the rest of the houses you're selling or any of that other stuff, right? You got a segment that database and talk to him about stuff that they're going to care about, right? Because one of the things that we have going for us more than any other sales profession, is that we that we help people achieve dreams create stickiness, create generational wealth, right fame, you know, really create happy situations that go to the emotion and heart. So there's automatic stickiness there. So the only reason that we screw that up is because we screw that up. Right? So that you know, so that's what's super important to all you guys know, you know, for all you guys to know. And then this is the last thing that I'll leave you with, is that you got to understand that your marketing starts before that consumer consumer even knows who you are, right? That is when your marketing starts. Because you never know when they're saying and before you could tell me that you sold something over list and over the last two years. Congrats, I'm sure that was very hard. But like, you know, doing stuff over list, you know, sell stuff in 10 days, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, before they're to close the credit clinicals before you can tell me any of that. I have to know who you are. If I don't know who you are, then you're not relevant. Right? And don't let the last two are 2020 and 2021. Don't let that unicorn yours fool you into thinking you have something that you don't and look Don't Don't get me wrong. I say all of this out of passion and love for this industry. I mentioned my story in the beginning. I'm here for life. And so I want all of the true professionals to win.But here's the thing gotta understand is don't let those things for you. Right? You got to understand that the markets are going. And we could be in a market like this. If you look at historical data, and look, everyone wants to be rosy. Everyone wants the interest rates to be what they are, and inventory and all that stuff. If you look at swings, this could be a five to 10 year swing of being this being the normalized market. So guess what? Guess what? Get dressed, put, roll up your sleeves, put in the work and do what needs to be done. But marketing is going to be the most important thing that you do for your business from now on going forward. Why don't you tell them where they can find you guys? They want to learn more. Yeah, if you guys want to, you guys could always look I'm all over social media. So you know Frazier real I'm the real cmo on all social media channels. And then you can also check us out at lead pops.com. Appreciate it folks. If you're going to struggle with what to create Why don't you join the next content creator challenge you can visit www dot real estate content creator challenge will give you 30 days of content was from video email to memes to creating short form real to long form videos, you're actually going to take action do them, learn how to do them. It's not as hard as you think it is. But that's why we do these challenges. And it's only $49 to go ahead and visit WWW dot real estate content creator challenge.com and join this month's challenge which starts on March 14. Dude, appreciate you coming on to the show. We had a great time. Folks. Listen, this is like feel like we speak the same language man keep it up and folks just take action. Get Loud, start creating a whole lot of content. It's how you start marketing its content marketing, make sure everyone when they think of real estate or lending thinks of your name. When that term comes up, and as long as that happens, you will always attract business despite market conditions. So you guys next week, thank you for watching another episode of the real estate marketing dude podcast. If you need help with video or finding out what your brand is, visit our website at WWW dot real estate marketing dude.com We make branding and video content creation simple and do everything for you. 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Movies discussed: Slapface, Attachment,  Huesera: The Bone Woman, Waffle (short) This week we have a fling with Attachment, a bone or two to pick with Huesera, and facepalm about Slapface. Josh has kindly included a helpful Venn diagram guide to this week's movies: Next episodes assignments: Scream VI We Have a Ghost M3gan Death and the Winemaker (short) Watch along with us if you like and we'll see you next week. The post Episode 452 – Richard Cheese for Matisyahu appeared first on Horror Show Hot Dog.

Tucker Carlson & A Case Study in Christian Nationalism & Theocratic Conservatism Introduction One may wonder how the algorithmic gods of the medias mutter and chirp and old clips of Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro emerge from the ancient shadows, but be assured that they do and when they do, they provide one with opportunities to pull your son aside, like Solomon in Proverbs and say, do you see that man? Yeah, not like that. Now the particular clip that is currently making the rounds is from 2018, and a great deal of water has gone under the old proverbial bridge and has flowed many miles hence, even to the wild lands of Wuhan and beyond. And so one might hope that greater light has come into the great Tucker Carlson’s eyes. I mean, if they can lock us down, close our churches, foist useless, perhaps even harmful masks on our faces, and demand injections or else you’re a hater, a bigot, and a scoundrel, perhaps he’s had a change of heart. But the clip is from when a Ben Shapiro interview of Tucker Carlson, where Tucker argues that since family is the foundational building block of society and an unmitigated good, society ought to take steps to protect it and defend it. And certain technological advances that threaten that good ought to be curbed and perhaps even prohibited. Tucker says that if we don’t we may very soon end up with a situation where a reasonably well-adjusted college graduate (one who doesn’t smoke pot) may not have the means to provide for himself, much less take a wife, and raise a family with her. And when pressed by Ben Shapiro about the possibility of Artificial Intelligence driving trucks on American highways, Tucker says that if he was President he would absolutely order the Department of Transportation to ban all AI on federal highways because if they didn’t millions of jobs would be lost. And truck driving is one of the most common jobs for high school educated men in America. Setting the Table Now let’s set the table carefully here. First, it’s absolutely true that the natural family is the foundational building block of society. Second, let’s agree that society should do everything lawfully in its power to protect and encourage family formation and flourishing. But here is where the questions begin to array themselves. What actually is “lawfully in its power?” Can the state simply do anything that appears to contribute to some notion of the “common good?” How should society protect and encourage natural family formation? My previously stated proposal is that as Protestant Christians we must begin with the clear instructions given in Scripture and then work our way out from those by good and necessary consequence, by the light of nature and Christian prudence. So I don’t think we need an explicit Bible verse about AI and truck drivers, but I do think we need clear-eyed biblical principles. There are multiple problems with Tucker’s proposal, beginning with him acting like a socialist. The assumption of socialism/Marxism is that there is no God, and therefore the state must take His place. Since there is no God to do justice, rendering unto each man what he deserves, the State takes unto itself this responsibility. Fascism need not be dark and bloody at first. It simply claims the right to command commerce and markets for the “common good” of society, for the good of families and family values. But it’s still fascism and socialism for all that, even if the state is commanding Bible reading and church attendance. Don’t misunderstand: I’m not saying that Tucker’s second presidential fiat would be compulsory Bible reading and church attendance. But why exactly not? Furthermore, these soft-socialist/fascist policies claim a kind omniscience. Tucker claims that millions of jobs will be lost in a matter of years. But this sounds like the conservative equivalent of the environmental doomsdayers. If you don’t ban plastic bags today, the oceans will rise in five years and millions will die! Or sometimes they even notice real problems, like for example, air pollution. But as Alex Epstein has helpfully catalogued, over and over again, there’s a certain simplistic and narrow mindset that looks at one factor and multiplies it by a million without accounting for all the other possibilities and concludes that the apocalyptic outcome is inevitable! And that’s trying to be god while sucking at it. So when environmentalists have projected air pollution from coal and oil and other fossil fuels, what they have consistently not accounted for is adaptation, creativity, ingenuity, and improvements in technology which mitigate, minimize, and sometimes completely undo the dangers and potential harms. People, made in the image of God, are like God, and despite our fallen natures, they are generally trying to improve things. Tucker’s comments struck me as not only tapping into that false socialist omniscience, but they were demeaning and condescending to the very human beings he was claiming to want to protect and help, while apparently completely forgetting about other human beings in the equation. Now, it’s an entirely open question as to whether it would ever actually work to have AI drive trucks in this country. At the very least, we would want to have a chain of liability clearly articulated, and like the goring ox in Exodus 21, require restitution and harsh penalties for any harm or damage that occurs. But why does Tucker paint the drug free college graduate like a helpless victim? Why are working class high school graduates being described as completely dependent on truck driving jobs? Can they not do anything else? A few decades ago they worked in American factories, but after the government got involved in “helping” them, they all got sent overseas. And here we are suggesting more Big Government involvement to help “fix” inequities. “We’re the government and we’re here to help,” are still the most terrifying words in the English language, even when they are in the mouth of so-called “common good” conservatives. Now, the fact of the matter is that even if the tech and liabilities all got sufficiently sorted, and people started experimenting with AI truck drivers, the change wouldn’t happen overnight. But as it started to happen (if it ever did), you would immediately be funding all the developers, troubleshooters, repairment, maintenance, and updates needed to grow and improve that new technology. The other part of the “inevitability-omniscience” complex is a failure to see that new technology only ever depends upon human beings creating it, maintaining, fixing it, improving, and so on. Read Life After Google by George Gilder and repent of your implicit Darwinism. Artificial intelligence will always be completely dependent upon human intelligence. So just as a new technology begins to break into markets, new human jobs come into being. And this is how it has always worked. As technology changes, some folks are laid off and find new creative outlets, but all of that new technology also always creates new needs for human workers. The Biblical Common Good The Biblical vision of the common good is each sphere of government exercising the power delegated to it by Christ obediently. The Magisterial Reformers were working in a particular historical moment where church government had way overreached its bounds, and part of the way you begin to limit overweening powers is by reinvigorating the balance of powers. In the days of Luther and Calvin it was absolutely necessary to call the magistrates to take up the sword of justice and push back the encroachments of the Papal See. However, we now live in an era where the state has become the Infallible Mouth of God, and it’s high time ministers of the gospel declared the Lordship of Christ and commanded magistrates back into their own lane, while insisting that husbands and fathers, wives and mothers step up to the plate and take back their authority in the home and marketplace. Until a crime has been actually committed, it is an unjust use of violence to manipulate markets. I understand that when you live in a snake pit of market regulations the temptation is to simply join the mafia and release your own “good” snakes into the mix, but as we learn from one of those lesser known Mosaic principles, never bring more snakes to a snake pit unless your snake will swallow all of them and turn back into a walking stick when it’s done. God has established three governments among men: the family, the church, and the state. These governments are not water-tight jurisdictions, but function more like a Venn diagram with clear differences and some overlap. God has assigned to the family the jurisdiction of health, welfare, and education. God has assigned to the church the ministry of worship and discipleship, the administration of Word and sacrament. God has assigned to the state the ministry of the sword of justice. Closely related is the difference between sins and crimes. We see this distinction beginning in the differing ministries of Abraham and Melchizedek, Moses and Aaron, as well as the differing penalties provided in the Mosaic law. When the law says that someone will be “cut off from among his people,” this is the ordinary discipline of Old Testament family and “church.” When the penalty prescribed is restitution or stripes or death, this the ministry of the sword. Now granted these are not pristine, Euclidian categories. Many of the laws in the Mosaic code have moral, ceremonial, and civil elements to them. Nevertheless, ceremonial laws were under the jurisdiction of the priests and civil laws were under the jurisdiction of the judges and magistrates. But the fact that family law was also being established in the Mosaic law is profound. Laws surrounding marriage and divorce and remarriage within families, with instructions for what might be appealed to civil magistrates for civil penalties begin to establish these jurisdictional differences. In other words, not all sins are or should be crimes. Covetousness is a sin but not a crime. Lying is always a sin, but not all lies should be adjudicated as crimes. Lust is a sin, even adultery in the heart, but until the lust is acted upon in fornication or adultery, there is no crime to adjudicate. A rebellious son ought to be disciplined by his own parents for many years before they determine to appeal to the civil magistrate for criminal penalties. But here is where the jurisdictions overlap: if a true biblical crime has been committed in a family or church, the civil magistrate is authorized by God to intervene. A civil magistrate my seek a warrant to arrest a father and pastor for sexual abuse. But by the same token, a father may resist or ignore tyrannical orders given a magistrate and a pastor may rebuke a magistrate and command him to repent of his sin, just as John did and lost his head for it. When a church excommunicates a professing Christian, barring them from the Lord’s Supper and fellowship in the local church, the church is exercising its power to protect truth and morality in a society. When a family disciplines its young children teaching them Christian virtues the family government is doing its part to cultivate families and work ethics and morality. The family has the power to ultimately disinherit a son or daughter for gross immorality or apostasy. And it is the job of the state to punish crimes as defined by Scripture. No crime has been committed if a trucking company fires a driver in favor of an AI driver. Conclusion In the clip mentioned, Tucker Carlson says that even though he believes in free markets it’s not an absolute or religious commitment or requirement. He says there’s no “Nicene Creed of Capitalism” he has to subscribe to. Now he’s absolutely right if he means that free markets may not be used to justify committing crimes (e.g. theft, murder, etc.). But what Tucker is actually proposing is denying jobs and livelihoods to those working in AI, and by the making it a law, he’s threatening the use of violence for those who try. In the name of doing good and protecting families, Tucker is proposing that he be the one who gets to choose the winners and the losers. Truckers are the winners; programmers and new tech are the losers. Sorry, the gods have spoken. We know what’s best for you. And actually, we’ve decided that cars have taken too many jobs away from horses and mules. So yeah, we’re going back to the Middle Ages, you greedy capitalist pigs. But seriously, where’s the line? Ok, I’ll stop here. Tucker says there’s no Nicene Creed of capitalism, and that’s true enough, but there is a Nicene Creed that says that God is the “Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible…” Invisible things would include market forces, the creativity and ingenuity of men, as well as their created needs and desires. Until or unless God gives a government the authority to step in, it is a violation of the Nicene Creed to grasp power for yourself and violently or coercively prohibit the free actions and creativity of people. It must always be remembered that if the primary power of the state is the power of the sword, then whenever you call for a “ban,” you are simultaneously calling for the use of violent, coercive force to be used if someone disregards the ban. I’m sorry, but we just had a few years of a police state trial run in the West with law enforcement fining churches for being open, for mandated gags on peoples’ faces, and frog marching decent law-abiding citizens off to jail for singing songs in public. I do believe in the “common good,” but the common good is determined by God’s Word and not simplistic, short-sighted calculations. It was those kinds of simplistic, short-sighted calculations that the Imperial College of London used to insight the COVID panic. So, no thanks. God’s world is more resilient, more complex, more glorious than that.

Episode Summary Brooke and Carla talk about parenting as radicals and youth autonomy, but more importantly, they talk about adult supremacy, the history of it, the ways it influences all of our lives and strategies for confronting it as parents and non parents. They breakdown childism, and talk about how the most important thing you can do is listen to the youth and how community is once again the answer to many societal woes. Guest Info Carla Joy Bergman (She/they) is a writer, producer, podcaster, schemer and causer of trouble. Their book Trust Kids! is out from AK Press and can be ordered here. You can find Grounded Futures at GroundedFutures.com or @GroundedFutures on Twitter and Instagram. You can find Listening House Media here. She also cohosts the Grounded Futures podcast with their son Uilliam. Host Info Brooke can be found at Strangers helping up keep our finances intact and on Twitter and Mastodon @ogemakweBrooke Publisher Info This show is published by Strangers in A Tangled Wilderness. We can be found at www.tangledwilderness.org, or on Twitter @TangledWild and Instagram @Tangled_Wilderness. You can support the show on Patreon at www.patreon.com/strangersinatangledwilderness. Transcript Carla on Adult Supremacy Brooke 00:15 Hello, and welcome to Live Like the World is Dying your podcast for what feels like the end times. I'm Brooke Jackson, your host for this episode. Today we have the honor of talking with author Carla Bergman. We're going to discuss parenting here in the end times. But first, we'd like to honor our membership and the Channel Zero network of anarchist podcasts by playing a little jingle from one of the other podcasts on the network. Jingle jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle jingle here. And we're back. Carla, thank you for joining us today to talk about parenting. Would you please introduce yourself? Let us know what you do, your pronouns, share where you're from if you're comfortable disclosing that. Carla 01:58 Great. Hi, Brooke. Thanks for having me here. I love this podcast. It's a real honor. Yeah, I'm Carla Joy Bergman. I use she/her, they/them pronouns. I'm calling in from Musqueam. Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh lands, also known as Vancouver and the Pacific Northwest, across the border in Canada. Yeah, I, well, I do a lot of things. I'm a bit of a autonomous scholar, writer, producer, a podcaster or schemer, causer of trouble. I don't know, that's always hard to put yourself on there. Like what do you do? Yeah, I'm a mom, friend. I'm a white settler with Irish and Welsh ancestry. Yeah. Brooke 03:03 Yeah, well, we're really glad that you are here and taking the time to talk about this topic with us today. I know that you just released a book back in November called "Trust Kids", which looks like you can get from AK Press. And they have print ebook and audiobook available. There's probably other sources to get it as well. So I'd love to talk about your book a little bit. And then you know, if that leads into some broader conversations about parenting in general, and especially, you know, parenting here in the end times and how we support each other as leftists, you know, I think that would be great to talk about too. But let's, let's start with your book. I'm curious why you wanted to write the book, like what inspired you to write it? Carla 03:50 It's like, intergenerational? It's a project that comes across many, many timelines. Yeah, so it's called "Trust Kids Confronting Adult Supremacy" and while stories on youth autonomy and confronting adult supremacy, oh, boy, it's really hard to pinpoint a moment. It's so it's so cool to have the privilege to reflect back in your past and you get to evoke where you are today on the past. Brooke 04:20 Yeah, feel free to talk about all of the things that inspired you in the process. Carla 04:24 Thanks. Yeah, I mean, I've always had a problem with hierarchy and with authority, which goes way back to when I was a little kid. I was definitely the kid who stood up to teachers who bullied kids and other parents or other adults who bullied kids, including my own, and obviously, it was meant with not always a lot of kindness, and often a lot of violence. So it's something that's always been kind of in me to be aware of adult supremacy. But really, it wasn't until I had my own child, that I had to really put the practice of youth autonomy and thinking through adult supremacy in the everyday and every night. Brooke 05:11 I'm curious if you feel comfortable sharing the age of your child or children? Carla 05:16 Yeah. So my oldest is 28. And my youngest is 18, the oldest is Zach, and the youngest is Uilliam, and Uilliam and I do a podcast, that's part of the Channels Zero network as well called Grounded Futures. And yeah, and Zach. Both of them wrote for the book, Uilliam did it their own chapter, their own section, and then Zach and I co wrote a piece together. Yeah, so.. Brooke 05:43 Man, that's great. Carla 05:45 Yeah. So, you know, Zack, and I got....and my partner, we got involved in alternative education and youth liberation kind of worlds. We were like, really fortunate because we were working class family and, and I got diagnosed with lupus, like there was all these things that were making it like, well, how am I going to not send my kid to regular school. But I was fortunate to live in a city where there's a dem... that was...it was like, almost 48 years, it ran...ademocratic preschool that was publicly funded. So that meant it was free to attend, as well as a free school, and there was parent participatory, and it was, you know, it went through all different kinds of renditions, and tried all different kinds of models, and but really, at the center was and at the center was this idea of youth liberation and children, self directed sort of education styles, I, you know, through that, at the core of all my work is this notion of solidarity, like how to think about this conversation of youth autonomy and undoing adult supremacy, amidst and alongside all the other horrors of, of empire, whether it be ableism, racism, classism, and whatnot. And I really noticed that a lot of kids, you know, they don't a lot of families can opt out of school, and they can't actually do this. So, I really wanted to move the conversation away from 'school or not school,' because it just marginalizes the, the work and because it becomes siloed. And really, adult supremacy is in it's always in the room. It's, it's it is like at the core, it's at the center of all other oppressions. You know, we just keep replicating this horrible system by raising kids with internalized adults supremacy. And so yeah. Brooke 07:41 That part of the subtitle really stuck out to me, the adult supremacy part, which, you know, sorry to interrupt you, please keep going. But I definitely want to dive more into adult supremacy discussion. But... Carla 07:54 I mean, I think that this conversation, so I'm just gonna really get really to the heart of it. So about 12=13 years ago, I was co director of a youth run arts and activism space in Vancouver that was at the center was youth autonomy and radical politics and this intersectional praxis of working alongside other struggles and being in solidarity with them. And I was really noticing from other radicals that you know, youth liberation, youth autonomy, children's rights, all that stuff was almost always left off of the the oppression chart or pie. And so I would bring it up, and it would be like an afterthought. And they'd be like, oh, yeah, right, of course. And slowly, you know, we've seen that grow. However, what I noticed was I faced a lot of vitriol from a lot of radicals that I was privileged, that I was privileging kids and like that, all this stuff, and I was like, "Wait a minute, like, you know who's privileged is like the middle class family who moves across town to the rich neighborhood to put their kid in the better school like," no, no, no, like that's nuanced this a little bit like. So I came up with the phrase "Solidarity begins at home," which was really the orientation of this book to begin with. And if you follow it on AK Press, they often post about it calling it, "Solidarity Begins at Home," because I was really noticing that anti authority, anti authority folks particularly were like, "Except for with my children, I'm an authority." Or, you know, "Oh, Carla and her weirdness being friends with our kids," or whatever, like it just was just marginalizing the conversation, when really the issue is adult supremacy and, and, you know, I'm just a curious person. So I'm like, "Why doesn't that resonate?" Like it's something we've all experienced at different degrees. Absolutely. This is a really uneven white supremacist, colonial, racist, ableist world. But we've all experiencedi it. It's actually a place where we could connect and have a more generative conversation. And yet it just keeps getting marginalized. And so I just really had to think about how to center it more. And so, on the one hand, I'm saying "Solidarity Begins at Home." But I'm also decentering parenting in the conversation, because I think like this is just so much bigger and beyond like, parenting. It's everywhere that a young person encounters an adult, the adult supremacy world, and it's everywhere, like Malika Radway, who wrote for the book, like, and she does, "Raising Rebels" podcasts with our kids. Like they said, you know, "Adult supremacy is in every single room you're in," you can't...it's just like whiteness, you can't, right? So yeah, so I didn't feel ready to write it. I always had a kind of what's the word like, I guess it's about consent, like, I really needed it to have my kids full consent to talk about our life. And to talk about this in a way that I wanted to, especially that framing of 'solidarity begins at home.' So that's, that's the reason why I held off until I had their, you know, really, they're full consent. And, you know, different people, different adults, different parents, different radical parents write about their kids in different ways. This isn't a judgment, this was just my own ethos with my kids, right? So that's why it took 12 years. I just actually found a new Google Doc from 2012. That said, new book "Solidarity begins at home. "Listen, Adults," or something I was going to call it. Brooke 11:41 Yeah, it sounds like you not only have their consent, but kind of their enthusiastic consent. And they both, you know, wrote for it and participated in that which, you know, what a joy to be able to do that with them. Carla 11:54 Yeah. And my son, the oldest one did the audio book, which is really special Brooke 11:59 Oh, wow, that's really cool. I, my daughter is 11. And we're firmly in that tween phase right now where there's both the child and the budding teenager that, that show up in her and it's a interesting age, for sure. And I just have the one. But I want to rewind slightly back to adult supremacy, to get us on the same page here. And we, you know, what does that phrase mean to you? How do you define that? How do you see that in the world? Carla 12:35 Right? I mean, it's really, it's always evolving and changing, the more I like, learn, and like, explore and research and talk to people who are real nerds and researchers. Two of the folks who wrote for the book, Toby Rollo and Stacy Patton, really do a deep, deep look at the history, the roots of adult supremacy. And so it's, it's hard for me not to start there, because it's like, my mind is just kind of blown. You know, it really goes back to early colonization in the....in Europe. You know, we hear this from indigenous folks on, you know, on the lands we're both on that, you know, this is not how people do kinship. This is not like the...kind of like patriarchal, heteronormative hierarchical family. It's not, you know, and that, that that's not how it is. And so, way, like it goes way back, this kind of I don't even, I can't even pinpoint it, but it definitely predates capitalism, although like it, you know, it got more entrenched during capitalism to have the house set up the way that the patriarchal family, the way it was set up, like kids had to be subjugated from their parents and the patriarchal parent was being subjugated by, you know, the whole system of capitalism, right, yeah. But it actually predates all that in it. And it goes back to early colonization. And it was by design. It was to sow seeds of control, distrust, and this idea that, I think Toby calls it protocitizenship, that children aren't fully human. They don't have any rights. You know, there's 13 states that still have paddles that can, people can still paddle in schools in the US, I don't know if you know, that and spent, you know, like, you, you will you get fined and go to jail if you beat your dog, but you won't if you beat your kid, as long as they can't see any bruises. You know, so this is like, it's ongoing, this idea that childhood is just a phase, you know, this kind of just creation of this thing that's like less than, was by design. And it's become, you know, it got more entrenched through psychology, the whole, you know, we don't even need to go into that. But even eugenics, like early eugenics was practiced on children...kind of way where children who were street involved and didn't have parents or were, you know, out of care kind of kids. They were sterilized first. Stacy Patton is a doing a book right now on the history of lynching children in the south. she had to actually go to Europe to get to the root of it. And it was practiced first on children there. So... Brooke 15:31 Emotionally, I don't think I could handle that kind of research. Carla 15:34 Yeah, me neither. I just want to get...this is what I said, like, I didn't have all this information like a couple of years ago. And so this isn't where I would have started the conversation. However, I used to say like that this is a Western...Euro Western colonial way of being in the world, and like the hatred of children, they have childhood and, and the violence against children is a construct within colonization. I did know that, but I didn't realize how severe it was. And so alongside the other horrific systems within colonization, I like to call it Empire because it's like a hydra, all of it, capitalism, ableism, ageism. We're still we're fighting all those battles still in use. The problem with adult supremacy is that it just keeps reenscribing itself because, yes, yeah, yes, you can see how it just, it's not that's why I'm not really I'm not a proponent of youth liberation as such. And why I talk about autonomy instead is because it's it needs to be intersectional, it needs to be intergenerational, it needs to be...we have to undo adult supremacy, we can't just focus on doing youth liberation siloed over here, because they grow into adults, and then they become adults supremacists. Right. And like, do you know what I mean? it's kind of like...it is one of...it has mobility, in terms of getting out of being the oppressed to becoming the oppressor. Not unlike class... Brooke 17:13 So if I'm understanding it, then adult supremacy.... Carla 17:20 I could give you a definition. Brooke 17:24 Well, let's see if, well let's see if I picked it up from that. It's the idea that adults are all and always supreme to children, who are just going through a phase and to some degree, it's acceptable to enforce that adult supremacy through violence? That's kind of from all those things. Brooke 17:54 Yeah. And so, if I get it correctly, parental supremacy is like within the bigger circle of adult supremacy, right? Like... Carla 17:54 Yeah, and psychological violence, physical...like all kinds of...it is a violent act. It's a colonizing of the mind and soul and body. And yeah, like, you know, the whole, the whole idea is to prepare your kid for adulthood, which is just ridiculous. Like, they are a full human already, that things need to be discovered. And they, you know, like, all of us, guidance is important. mentorships are important skill sharing is important. Presence is important. Love is important, and ultimately care, right? Yeah, but they....and they are fully human already. They are no less, no more, you know, some maybe, you know, whatever, it's, you know, it's relational. But, the idea adult supremacy is children are under developed, they're not fully human, they need to prepare for ultimate adulthood. And that is the supreme holding of what it means to be fully human, is to be an adult. Carla 18:46 Yeah, I mean, I've always liked Bell Hooks' thing she called, she called it the patriarchal family, like, it didn't matter what gender you were, or how you configurated your family, where if there's adults, taking care of children it was a patriarchal family. And I really liked that phrasing, because I think that's a way to maybe push back against some of the what happens with some of the feminists ideas around parenting that, you know, like a woman, you know, like, I'm talking more like, I'm probably aging myself, but I'm doing more like this second, third wave of feminism where it was, you know more about their rights than it was their children's because they were so oppressed under the patriarch of the family or whatever. And yes, and you know, Bell Hooks came along and was like, you're a patriarch too within that adult supremacy. Yeah, yeah. Brooke 20:02 So, um, we talked about the, you know, physical psychological abuse factor of that adult supremacy. I'm curious what other ways you would point out that it manifests itself in society...families and, you know, adults in general, and maybe there's some, you know, insidious ways that we don't even think of, you know, that wouldn't immediately come to mind that you could teach us about here. Carla 20:28 I mean, it's everywhere. You know, I, I'm not on the socials at all. I left fully back in the spring, but when I was, I was constantly asking my fellow podcasters, and journalists and thinkers and opinionerrs, to please stop calling the most vile human beings on this earth childish, and children and toddlers. It's right there. You know, that is where it's at. Can you... and people would be like, "What do you mean?" And I would be like "Change 'child' to any other group. Woman..." and then their eyes, they're like, "Oh, my God, I'd be canceled. If I called Trump a whiny woman," or whatever. Put any group in there. Right. I don't really want to go down that road. But, you see what I mean. So that's a one that I have to...We just actually, Grounded Futures, just re-released it because it's not stopping. Right? Because so, that's a really, really huge way. It's all those biases, right, those social biases. So, like I mentioned earlier, I was the co director of a youth run arts and activism space, that was free to use, it had a lot of anarchist kind of ethos running around it. It was co founded. It was founded by six youth and Matt Hearn, back in 2001. And my son was on the collective and we did a whole lot of cool stuff. But it was incredible how many adult organizers would email me and ask if they could come in and give a workshop on how to run a space. Or how to run a collective. I'd be like, I think you all could come down and learn something from this youth collective, but that's pretty like a bias, right? Like, I was like, this is the most functional club I've ever worked with, like I've, you know, been in a lot of collectives like, I don't think age has anything to do with it. It's about like some other things going on around power. You know, like, I...Yeah, so there's this idea that they were...it was flaky, and that they didn't know what they were doing. And so that was just another bias, an ageist....it's, it's just terrible. Yeah, I watched it just go down all the time. Another storieas an anecdote...I'm sure you have many....My kid when they were really, my youngest, when they were really little, and we'd go grocery shopping. And they were really good at picking out avocados and fruit. And one of the people working in the store, like slapped their hand and said, "No, you're not allowed to touch fruit." I was like, first of all, don't ever touch my kid. Second of all, they're better at it than me. You know, like I just, you know, like, it's that kind of that kind of like, they just....the person couldn't even...it was just so reflexive. Like, they couldn't even imagine that this five year old knew what they were doing. Stuff like that. It's just constant. It's just everywhere. And I'm sure you you can, you know....and I do it myself. And I want to say, because I know I when I talk about this, it can come off like I have it figured out. I confront my adult supremacy and particularly my power every single day in my relationship with my youngest, like, every single day it comes up in subtle and overt ways because of maybe I'm tired or and the more we get, the more we uncover it, the more we see. The more we get into the like, the nuance of power, like the nuance of like persuasion that you know, like that I hold, the more I'm like, "Dang it!" Yeah, yeah. Brooke 24:19 There's another example I just thought of, too, that I think often crops up around this time of year with people visiting family so often. The hugging example. You know, not making your kid go hug somebody because he's "Oh, you know, hug me." Even if it's you, the parent, like "Hug me goodbye." You know, don't make don't make your kids have that physical interaction with another human being. Carla 24:46 Thanks for bringing that up. It's like it's so true. Like kids live...like especially little kids...live a extremely nonconsensual life. From bedtime, to food, to like touch right, and every thing in between. And parents, you know, there's a lot of nuance in that conversation around parents and parenting, and but it's real. All right. And, you know, people are always trying to do workshops on teaching consent, and I'm always like, just gonna fail if you're not living with your kids. Brooke 25:18 Yeah. Carla 25:19 It's just gonna fail. Like it's so embodied, like, children just live such a nonconsensual life in lots and lots of ways because of this, because of adult supremacy. So yeah, thanks for bringing up...getting right to the right to the point. And, you know, it's interesting because thinking of parenting like my...sorry, my, my youngest is Uilliam, but we often call him Liam, that I do the podcast with, so he does a lot of the social media for Grounded Futures. And he often feels a bit gaslit by like, kind of the algorithm that comes through that one around like radical parenting and anarchists and stuff around, like on so called holidays on how cool it's going with their kids in that and because then they go on theirs where it's very much mostly trans and LGBTQ+ youth, ranging from 16 to like 25. And all his friends and all his mutual's are in trauma on that day because of nonconsensual hugs, from having to mask, from having from being misgendered, from not being believed that they're trans or I can even be, are non binary, or whatever, the whole gamut, right? And, and I hadn't even really thought about, like how algorithms work. And I was like, well, that's really hard. And he's saying, "I'm not saying that those radical things aren't happening that I'm seeing on Grounded Futures. It's just like, you can get in your bubble and think everything's better. And then you go to this other thing, and you're like, "Ah, the youth are actually not doing well, right now. Overall." Yeah. Brooke 27:02 Yeah, I've often been told as a parent that I have raised a very rude child, because, and I'm not going to try and pretend that I've been some sort of perfect, you know, no supremacy, children autonomy kind of thing. I'm human. I'm not, I'm still working on it. But, that was something that I noticed and chose to do differently early on in her life about not making her hug people or touch people kissing people goodbye. And even, you know, not necessarily forcing her to say goodbye to somebody. You know, I did a lot of giving her the option, you know, "We're going to leave now, would you like to say goodbye to Grandma?" or what have you. And so as she's gotten older, you know, some of those things that I didn't force her to do, she kind of didn't learn, and now she's old enough to where she understands politeness. You know, and I can suggest, you know, it's more polite in this situation, to say goodbye to this person, you know, and she can still choose then how she wants to do it. She can understand the social dynamic of why she's making that choice. Carla 28:11 That's beautiful. Brooke 28:12 You get accused of being a bad parent, or a rude parent or, or whatever it is, because you don't force your kids do these social things. Carla 28:20 I can't believe how many adults came through the Thistle that would say, "Oh, the Thistle youth are rude. And I was like, "You really have a hard time with like sharing your power, hey?" Like, I just would call it what I saw. Like, actually, what I saw was like, you actually want to come in and have kids, like, passively listen to you. And be polite, so called, you know, nice. But, they're like, they're not buying what you're selling. And they're like, "I don't want to do this." And you're thinking they're rude and entitled. I was like, This is what youth autonomy looks like. This is what sharing power looks like. This is what getting out of young people's way looks like. Yeah, I have a really similar thing with my kids. And I, my youngest, like really cared about relationships to the point where like, we've been unpacking this, where it was all overt, but they they took the social niceties on really young, but they had it all figured out. They're like, "At so and so's house, I have to like say 'please,' and 'thank you.' At so and so's house, I get to eat whatever I want, but I'm not allowed to swear. And I just listen because I want to have these friendships." I was like, wow, that's really cool. And also please don't mask. [emotions] Brooke 29:33 Isn't that so challenging? Carla 29:35 Yeah, it's a hard one. Brooke 29:37 Yeah, and mine lives in two households that are you know, very extreme opposites. Carla 29:42 Right. Brooke 29:42 So, the things she's allowed to say and do in this household are much more, you know, open and she's got a lot more autonomy and authority to do things and then she has to, you know, in that house, in order to fit in and not you know, not make waves, she feels like she has to you know, dial it back and behave in certain ways. And that's hard to see. Carla 30:05 It's also practice for life. I mean, you know, until we deal with this, I mean, you know? It's a hard one. Brooke 30:12 Yeah. Yeah. At Least for the world that we currently live in. Carla 30:15 Yeah. Yeah. Brooke 30:17 But yeah, while we're talking about like the liberation of children, I am curious if you would like vision with me, what would relationships look like between parents and children, or society and children if we were treating them in ways that were autonomous, and, you know, honoring them as the human beings that they are? Carla 30:38 Oh, I'd be dreaming. And here's why. Because everything would slow the F down, like so much, like, first and foremost, because there'd have to be a lot more or listening, a lot of questions. And that...I used to, I used to call it the friendship bar, how I trained myself, like, supported myself in my learning and making mistakes with my youngest was like, and I think, John Holt, this a John Holt quote, like never, you know, "Never say to a young person, what you wouldn't say to the person you hold in highest regard." It's a really good bar, it really, it really is. I can't...you know, it seems, you know, a lot of people throw quotes and people go, "Yeah, yeah, yeah," but I can't express it enough how much it has helped a lot of other fellow co conspirators who want to undo adult supremacy when I share this with them, and they're like, "Right!" You know, and I think we can do this with some of our closest friends too. Or some of our, you know, maybe if we have some hard times with a partner, like we can be a little bit more snarky with them than we would with somebody we hold in high regard. So like, I mean, I think it's just a good practice across the board to like, figure out what is the most generative, you know, responsible, trusting way to come into relationship with anybody? And yeah, and one of the things we really strive for in our house is this notion of solidarity. My oldest said this on a talk about the book the other night, I hadn't really...it was really nice to hear the feedback, but he's like, you know, "it was always really transparent, that this was the goal at our house, that we were in solidarity with each other." And this is why I use the term solidarity because and, you know, this changes based on their age because they can, you know, they're littler bodies, they have littler nervous systems and stuff, right? But like, it's not...I'm not a child centered home, either. I think that's when we can get into some weird reinscribing individualism. We're very much a relationship centered home no matter what the configuration is, even when we've had roommates and whatnot. And like, it's like, just everything's transparent and slows down. Like, you know, like, food, all the conversations, bedtime, sleeping, care. I had, I had a chronic illness for the big chunk of my children's lives, that's pretty much healed, but that that involved a lot of solidarity and a lot of care going in all directions, right. Like I I used to joke that I parented from bed. Ha ha ha But it was true, right? So yeah, I would like to hear some of your dreams, but like, I just right away, there'd be a lot of listening, a lot of curiosity, a lot of play, a lot of tantrums. But we'd got to have them too. You know? Brooke 33:28 Yeah. Yeah, the thing that stands out to me the most, there is the thing about slowing down, because that is definitely such a huge difference I notice, you know, between the way I would sometimes do things, and my friends with children of the same age, or what I see, you know, now when I'm looking around at different parents and what they're doing that, yeah,you have to engage more with the child. It's not....there's the the jacket debate, right, That you have with little kids, because they never want to put on a frickin jacket. And you have some parents that are like, "Well, they need this jacket, and I'm just going to shove their little bodies into it." And, you know, they have the debate once and they're like, "I'm not gonna fight with a three year old about this jacket." And then they just force it onto their kid every time. Whereas, I mean, you can sit down and talk about that more, you know, "I think you should put on the jacket because this" or you know, "Let's step outside and feel the cold outside and see if you change your mind," and, and then ultimately, also having to honor what they land on, you know? The kid says, "No, I'm not gonna put on a jacket." That's, you know, it's a slower process and then at the end, letting go of that final bit of, you know, authority or autonomy. Like maybe you still take the jacket to school with them, you know, they have to carry it perhaps, but you don't force them to put it on, but it is slower. So your life has to allow for time for that. And you know, of course under capitalism, the the empires you say that we are in, it makes it so hard to do that and then especially if you have multiple children that are maybe all small at the same time, you know, you've got three of them arguing with you about maybe three different things all at once. It's tough. Carla 35:11 Yeah. I mean, and this is why like "Trust Kids", I just want to go on the record isn't a parenting handbook at all. Like if...the essays are stories on youth autonomy, people...youths have written for it. Adults have written about their experience growing up in youth liberation environment, to more theoretical pieces, but and then a lot about confronting adult supremacy. So, it's a book for adults, for sure, and about us doing this work together. But it's not a parenting handbook, because at the core for me, Liam always says this on the podcast, like he's like, you know, "People often ask my mom for advice. And she's always like, "I can't give you advice, because I don't know your child, and they don't know what they need. Like, if you asked them? Like, it's just like, you know, that's my advice. Ask your kid."" I love the coat example. Because it's so you know, like, you're late, you have to pick up your, you know, you have to do the thing, you got to do all the things. And my kids are like the opposite. My oldest, always over dresses, and I used to always have to carry his coat halfway, and then the other ones the other way. So, I just, you know, it's back to like, I think what my Zack said the other night on that call, or that show, the episode, or whatever we did, the public, the book launch at Firestorm was that it was always just really transparent. Like, he never felt like, confused, but what was happening, so I was just always really real, I'd be like, "Dude, you always are hot within 10 minutes, like, can you not wear like 50 coats, oh my God, and because I don't...physically can't carry it, like, I don't have enough strength. So we need to like figure," but that took time, like that kind of negotiating conversation and being in solidarity with my physical body and not being able to carry the coat in 10 minutes in the walk. And him like wanting to like pile on the three sweaters and the coat. He's still like that. You know, like, it was like, yeah... Brooke 37:04 Yeah, as you just pointed out, there are times when, like, you're running late, so you don't necessarily have the time to take to do that. And then, you know, you need to know for yourself as a parent, you know, what, what you want to do in that situation. How you want to handle that. Do you want to be later and take the time to do it? You know, if you want to honor your principles to never shove this child into the jacket, you know, it's it's again, it's not it's not easy. It takes some practice and some forethought. Carla 37:33 Or let them go without a jacket, you know, let them experience it. Brooke 37:36 Right. That's what I did. Carla 37:39 Yeah, exactly. Brooke 37:40 She got cold sometimes. Carla 37:41 I mean, yeah. And even me as a kid like, my you know, so called autonomy was also known as that word 'neglect,' you know, so like, no one around ever, so I was like, I often in the winter would have like no socks on and I'd be running around and like a tank top and..because I early years and northern Alberta, and then down here in the Pacific Northwest, I had like thought it was like balmy, warm you know, and so when my youngest was like, "I don't like wearing like, big coats, and like, as a kid, he would run into the ocean at five in December. And I was like, right, I was like that, you know, also, it's back to that, believing that when they tell you, you know. That's what trust really is, is believing people's experience and perspective. And when they say "I don't...I get hot, I get really hot." And you're like looking at the temperature like, I feel like you're gonna get cold, but you just gotta let go. Brooke 38:39 Yeah, that's a really difficult component. I'm curious, you know, how you would respond to somebody who, you know, maybe wants to point out that, well, you know, kids, they aren't good at looking that far ahead, right? Because their prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed. They are going to be good at seeing that they are going to need this jacket down the line or, you know, whatever the the thing is, that they, you know, maybe haven't developed the capacity to comprehend. And that would mean maybe their argument for why you 'have to' have to in air quotes force them into the jacket. Carla 39:13 I mean, again, just Yeah, I mean, again, just being I mean, it's, I like this, I like this example, because it's not life and death. But, you know, like, you know, the compromises is that I need you to like, throw an extra coat in your backpack, or I'm going to carry one. Well, I you know, this is what care looks like. I'm going you know, we're going to be together so I'm going to throw an extra coat in the in the car. You don't have to wear it, or whatever. Like I just think just being real like. Back to what I said earlier about, like, how would I...How would I talk to my partner about this? Who was, who's being ridiculous, in my opinion, and like, it'd be like, "What are you doing? Like it's like snowing and super cold and you are wearing just like a hoodie," um, Yeah, we would just have a real conversation about maybe some...infuse it with some humor. But yeah, when they're really, really little like, I mean, you know, I definitely when you have like two kids, like, I would have to pick up my oldest from wherever he was, you know, at 11 years old across town and then the youngest at 2 doesn't want to like, leave where...they didn't like transitions, so didn't want to leave the park and whatever. It's like this....Yeah, there's a there's a, there's a lot of tears. And it's just like, what I got good at was realizing that, oh, he needs like, really clear messaging, like 10 minutes before, eight minutes before, five minutes before, and then they stopped like the the tears he...like he just...I had to like, cipher, it decipher it, you know, it could be like, "Oh, okay. Right." Because, you know, he was just so in the moment, so present, which is also what I think the world would be like if we had less adult supremacy, or none. Would be, we'd all be way more present with each other. And maybe wouldn't worry so much about wearing an extra coat because life wouldn't be so serious. Brooke 39:15 Yeah, that makes sense. Another thing I was curious about is, you know, we're in the end times now, sort of, you know, we're seeing the the collapse of capitalism, a rerise of fascism, you know, societal crumbles, there's kind of a lot going on. And, do you feel like, I mean, this topic of adult supremacy is, is probably always important. But is it more important now that we're in these, you know, sort of end times? Does it? Do we need that even more as society collapses? Or? I'm just curious what you... you see them saying? Carla 42:05 Yeah, no, no, I think like, I think I would pivot just a little slight pivot. Because what I'm...I mean the book, people who have read the book, really do notice that the book has an intergenerational scope throughout it, is that yeah, we need like, we need to recover, reimagine, and grow what it means to be in family and kinship together, like we need larger family, like, we wouldn't be...even like the story about the coat and that would be so much more manageable if we lived in a more multi generational, larger community, right, in the way we're meant to live, so and that is connected to adult supremacy because the nuclear family, it's all connected around, like controlling, subjugating majority of the population so that people could profit more, right, that or have more land whether, you know, predates really does predate capitalism. So, yes, I think that, you know, to quote Donna Haraway, "Making kin is the single most important thing we need to be doing right now." But we need to think about that cross species, across bloodline, beyond bloodlines, and way beyond borders. And for it's like it, we need it for our survival, and ultimately, to thrive more. I thrive way more when there's way more other humans around all ages sharing the load of whatever it is, like nerding out together, doing a puzzle playing, cooking, cleaning, doing work, making income, you know, sharing, sharing the load sharing the joys, I think it's really connected to the end times that it's more urgent than ever, but it's a reclaiming, you know, it's a recovery. It's not a...we don't have to imagine it, we know how to do it. You know, it's connected to mutual aid and webs of care and all that good stuff. But it's, you know, like, I live in a city so I don't have to prep prep, you know, I don't have...I don't live off in the boonies, you know, I don't have to worry about having a generator and stuff and I think like it was, you know, I'd like to think of myself more like mycelium like if a disaster strikes, I'm going to be like mycelium, I'm just gonna go and offer support and care and there's going to be plenty and people are going to show up because we know that in disasters, right? But if we had more, just more multi generational, multi species kin and families, that would even be better. I don't know If that answered your question, but, yes, you know, I want I want to abolish adults supremacy. From day one, I think it's always been a terrible thing. It's definitely had times when it was worse for some kids more than others still is worse for some kids more than others. But yes, it's connected to webs... Brooke 42:13 Yeah, how that ties into what we need with the collapse of society here, the collectivism in the broader webs of kinship are unimportant. And eliminating muddled supremacy is going to be happy to be part of that. I really liked the way you frame that there that it's, we're not building this new thing, we're going back to, you know, what we used to do. And really, I think, fundamentally, how we're wired as well, you know, the research indicates we are very wired for community and kinship and connection and all of that. So it's getting back to our truer selves to be to be together in those ways. And then that does lead me into kind of the last broad topic that I wanted to consider with you, which is, you know, you and I are both parents, so we can talk about our experiences and what we need and so forth. But for people who aren't parents, don't have kids of their own that want to support their friends who are parents and, you know, help, you know, revolutionize parenting here in this adult supremacy and build the kinship, what, you know, what kind of things would you say to them? That would be? What can they do to help? What can they do to to learn more? And to help build that as the non parent? Carla 46:31 Yeah, I think if you feel...well, first of all, do your own work on undoing your adult supremacy and like really go deep into like, all the places like you're probably really...every adult out there has dealt with it. And so you will probably have some internalized adult supremacy and some trauma and hurt around it and different degrees varying degrees. So first and foremost, like, just look at it, look at it. Notice how you show up for young people if if you are in young people's lives. And you know, listen more, just listen more, listen way, way more to young people. I think like, you know, when parents write about this topic, there's this like paradox of centering ourselves. It's like, you know, but this is, this is one of the reasons why I didn't want to do the book for a long time. But I was up for it. I was up for it, because it's important. And I intentionally invited in a lot of lot of people who aren't parents to write for the book, because I think it's really crucial. We cannot do this alone as the parents, like we just can't, like we need everybody, we need everybody on this, to undo this like massive, massive like bias. It is still one of the largest ones that's ignored. I am really rare. We are really rare. I'm not talking about radical parenting. I'm talking about people who notice adult supremacy, and like point it out. Like, it's a small, isolating community. I often feel really alone, I feel really gaslit. I have a crew of people we talk, live globally think, unfortunately. But it's just how it is. Like I'm talking about this nuance of like noticing adult supremacy. I have a lot of people who do radical parenting. I know a lot of people who are into revolutionary mothering. I know a lot of people who are into like school abolition and radical education and pedagogy stuff and use liberation, but not all of them connect to this larger systemic piece. Brooke 48:27 Yeah, it's kind of a Venn diagram that some of those overlap into it, but they're not fully... Carla 48:33 Yeah. And so, I just ask more people to really tune into it. Notice it. Call it out when you see it. It's all the frickin time. Like, you know, the other you know, disability justice activists and organizers and their allies have done a such a great job of changing the use of those words in media to describe the horrors and the vile people. But, there's two that still really are used constantly and one is saneism. Like so calling someone like Trump insane is just an insult to anybody who has madness. Brooke 49:16 Yeah. Carla 49:17 And because like, I don't know about you, but the mad folks in my life are nothing like Trump. And the like, yeah, some pathos going on for sure. But, like, you know. And then the other one is, you know, the childish toddler and just call it you know, just call up ask people to stop, to not do it. And comedians are the worst and you know, the other one is, I guess, you know, I mean, it's still okay for comedians to make...to not be so great about body politics, especially fat politics, like fat body stuff shaming, like that one still can pass a little bit, but it's it's also getting more people are you know, due to organizers and activists and those of us who push back against that, but the children one is the big one. Sanism and childism and are the two. So, if you're a fellow adult out there, a person who is not a young person and you're on the socials and you have a platform, join, join, join, join us in inviting folks to stop doing that. Because, you know, my kid, like, he was like, four...I don't know what it was, like 15 or something when Trump was first on the presidency stuff, and he was noticing it all the time. He's like those...every adult who calls him a child in front of their kids, their kids must like internalize some hatred. Like they must look at Trump. Look at their parent. Look at Trump. Look at the parent and go "Wow, my parents claim this really awful evil person that they clearly hate a child. They must hate me too." Yeah, I was like, Thank you for saying that. Like, my, my brain went, "Right?" Like that is like, oh, like I cried. It was so hard to hear that, like, you know, he was 14 at the time. And he that's what he saw, or 12 or something. And I was like, "Right. You're right." Yeah. I don't think it's intentional. I don't think the parent doing that is thinking they're doing that. Brooke 51:25 Oh, of course. Of course. Yeah. If someone were to replace it with a word like immature, do you think that still has the same connotation and problem? Carla 51:35 Yeah, I have a list. I have, I can share I we we put it up. I was telling you, we put it up. I used to....I have it's called "Trying to find a way to describe a billionaire, a politician, a fascist: Here's a list of words to use instead of calling them a child toddler or childish." And because we really worked on not using sanist language as well. So, careless, mean, rash, hot headed, imput. I have a speech impediment. So sometimes I can't say words. Manipulative. I have speech apraxia. Manipulative, entitled, jerk, foolish, impulsive, irresponsible, imprudent, ill advised, greedy, violent, liar, asshole, shitbag, racist, fascist, reckless, ridiculous. And there's so many more. You know, like, Just say what you mean? What do you know, I had friends go, "But you know, I don't know what to say." I'm like, "Well, what are you trying to get at?" "Like, oh, I'm trying to say that they're like a jerk." I'm like, "Just call them a jerk." Brooke 52:36 Yeah, that's a good one. Shitbag is a pretty good one. Carla 52:39 Yeah, it's my favorite. Yeah, it's like, it's a good one. Let's try that. Brooke 52:45 You know, there's an activist here in town where I live that is very conscious of ableist language, and including, like mental health things. So like the word 'sane' or 'insane,' for instance, but also, some of the ones that go along with that, like 'crazy,' I think maybe 'foolish' might be in there. And I was in a, I think, a Facebook group with them. And if someone would use one of those words, they would, they had kind of a little template that they would say is, you know, you know, "Here's this word that you chose to use. Here's a little bit of like, where it comes from, or like, what, you know, the, the sort of negative history of it. And then here's a list of like, antonyms that are not, you know, ableist or sexist, or, you know, body shaming, or et cetera, et cetera, that you could use instead of that word." Yeah. Carla 53:32 Did they also point out childism? Brooke 53:36 Yeah, and I don't I don't remember that one. But this, what you were just saying that, like, I hadn't thought about childish as being one of those words. I don't think I use it a lot in general. But, you know, I'm gonna add that to my vocabulary. Carla 53:50 Yeah, like so or they're like, "the sniffling little baby?" Like they do that a lot, right? Like, comedians and sort of YouTubers and stuff that are talking about, you know, the ruling class. So they, you know... Brooke 54:06 You can call them whiny without having to say, 'whiny baby,' you can just like so they're like whiny. Carla 54:10 They're punching up and punching down at the exact same time with that, you know, definitely go after those who are horrible, fascist and racist, you know, but stop calling them 'children' and 'toddlers' and yeah, yeah. Brooke 54:29 No, I really like that, you know. The fellow that, you know, did all the work. Does all the work to point out the ableist language, you know, definitely had got me thinking in the last couple of years about other words that you know, maybe tie back to something like that and so I'm glad that you shared you know, this additional language that then I can work on and be aware of and improve. Carla 54:53 Yeah, it's, it's always we're always working on it and learning and you know, like I the ableist language off, you know, I remember, it really came into the fore around 2009--2010. Like it really, you know, in radical communities like we were really aware of first, the more physical ableist the stuff and then it moved into body mind, but I still saw the sanism stuff like, you know, it still was okay to call someone like Trump insane. Like, maybe not 'crazy,' but you could call him insane. So I've been also being loud about that one as well. Brooke 55:31 Interesting. Yeah, yeah. And that's kind of where my question came from about, you know, well could I just call them immature instead? I figured that was going to be a 'no,' but I'm really glad you have that list to share. And I might see, maybe, could email that list and I can see if we can get that posted up. Carla 55:46 Sure and it's at on Grounded Futures. We're on both Twitter and Instagram, just at Grounded Futures. It's a platform, multi art platform created by youth and women and gender nonconforming folks. Brooke 56:03 Cool. Well, while you're plugging things, are there other things that you want to plug, obviously your book, you got to replug that for us. Carla 56:11 Yeah, you can get "Trust Kids" over at AK Press or wherever you buy books. There's an audio book and a Kindle or whatever it is. And I also have a project called Listening House Media, where we do we do mostly audiobooks, but we also publish political pamphlets called Lowercase. You can check that out listeninghousemedia.com. I'm doing the audio book for my other book called "Joyful Militancy" right now, which is really exciting. I just want to put that out there. Because I know people wanted it to be an audio book, since it came out five years ago. And so that's really exciting. Brooke 56:49 Is that also available from AK? Carla 56:51 Yeah, it won't probably be out until like, January or February. But yeah, and then GoundedFutures.com is where you can find a lot of my other works. Yeah. 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The Rich Zeoli Show- Full Episode (02/23/2023): 3:05pm- According to a report from The Wall Street Journal, the United States will expand its troop presence in Taiwan—specifically to train Taiwanese forces with weapon systems to prevent Chinese invasion of the island. What is the Biden Doctrine? Chinese leader Xi Jinping is planning to meet with Russian leader Vladmir Putin in Moscow in the coming months—alarmingly, China is considering providing the Russian military with lethal military aid. Are we moving closer to direct conflict with China? 3:30pm- As the Biden Administration sends troops to Taiwan and continues to send military equipment and financial assistance to Ukraine, is the executive branch exceeding its constitutional authority? While appearing on Fox News, Senator Mike Lee implored European allies to “pony up” money to support Ukraine's defense against Russian predations, explaining that the United States shouldn't be forced to unilaterally foot the bill. 3:45pm- On Tuesday, the United States Supreme Court heard oral arguments for Gonzalez v. Google LLC. According to Jess Bravin of The Wall Street Journal writes, “Supreme Court justices reacted skeptically…to claims that YouTube parent Google LLC could be sued for algorithms that automatically recommended extremist recruiting videos” in a legal case that tests “the liability of internet providers for material posted online.” Does Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act shield social media companies from liability for “content uploaded to their platforms”? During arguments, Justice Clarence Thomas compared YouTube's platform to a telephone company—explaining: “If you call information and ask for al-Baghdadi's number and they give it to you, I don't see how that's aiding and abetting.” 4:00pm- During Thursday's episode of The View, host Joy Behar suggested that, because East Palestine, Ohio voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, the community got what it deserved when a train derailed on February 3rd, 2023 and released toxic chemicals throughout the area. 4:10pm- Even MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski has now called out Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg for waiting several weeks to visit East Palestine, Ohio following a train derailment that released toxic chemicals throughout the community. On Thursday afternoon, Sec. Buttigieg finally visited East Palestine. 4:20pm- While visiting East Palestine, Ohio on Wednesday, former President Donald Trump stopped by a local McDonald's—treating firemen, police, first responders, and community members in attendance to lunch. 4:30pm- While appearing at a CNN town hall with Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw, lifelong East Palestine resident Jim Stewart heartbreakingly explained how the train derailment, and subsequent chemical spill, has taken his hometown and happy life away from him. 4:45pm- Mary Louise Kelly and Jaclyn Jeffrey-Wilensky of NPR produced a report stating that it is “misinformation” to say whales washing-up on New Jersey beaches are the result of offshore wind development's usage of sonar. So, who do you believe—NPR or Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore? 5:00pm- Vitor Milo— Postdoctoral Research Fellow with the Open Health Project at George Mason University's Mercatus Center—joins The Rich Zeoli Show to discuss his research study, “Indoor Vaccine Mandates in US Cities, Vaccination Behavior, and COVID-19 Outcomes” which concludes that there is no evidence indicating that citywide vaccine mandates did anything to stop the spread of COVID-19. You can read the research study at: https://www.mercatus.org/research/working-papers/indoor-vaccine-mandates-and-covid-19 5:25pm- Did NATO just post the worst tweet ever? 5:35pm- While speaking at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa on Wednesday, Senator Tim Scott (R-SC) explained that “fentanyl isn't the only poison” harming America—warning that the victim mentality being pushed by politicians is also incredibly dangerous. 5:50pm- Vice President Kamala Harris is talking about Venn diagrams…again. How does she manage to weave Venn diagrams into every conversation she has?

The Rich Zeoli Show- Hour 3: Vitor Milo— Postdoctoral Research Fellow with the Open Health Project at George Mason University's Mercatus Center—joins The Rich Zeoli Show to discuss his research study, “Indoor Vaccine Mandates in US Cities, Vaccination Behavior, and COVID-19 Outcomes” which concludes that there is no evidence indicating that citywide vaccine mandates did anything to stop the spread of COVID-19. You can read the research study at: https://www.mercatus.org/research/working-papers/indoor-vaccine-mandates-and-covid-19 Did NATO just post the worst tweet ever? While speaking at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa on Wednesday, Senator Tim Scott (R-SC) explained that “fentanyl isn't the only poison” harming America—warning that the victim mentality being pushed by politicians is also incredibly dangerous. Vice President Kamala Harris is talking about Venn diagrams…again. How does she manage to weave Venn diagrams into every conversation she has?

Tucker Carlson & A Case Study in Christian Nationalism & Theocratic Conservatism Introduction One may wonder how the algorithmic gods of the medias mutter and chirp and old clips of Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro emerge from the ancient shadows, but be assured that they do and when they do, they provide one with opportunities to pull your son aside, like Solomon in Proverbs and say, do you see that man? Yeah, not like that. Now the particular clip that is currently making the rounds is from 2018, and a great deal of water has gone under the old proverbial bridge and has flowed many miles hence, even to the wild lands of Wuhan and beyond. And so one might hope that greater light has come into the great Tucker Carlson’s eyes. I mean, if they can lock us down, close our churches, foist useless, perhaps even harmful masks on our faces, and demand injections or else you’re a hater, a bigot, and a scoundrel, perhaps he’s had a change of heart. But the clip is from when a Ben Shapiro interview of Tucker Carlson, where Tucker argues that since family is the foundational building block of society and an unmitigated good, society ought to take steps to protect it and defend it. And certain technological advances that threaten that good ought to be curbed and perhaps even prohibited. Tucker says that if we don’t we may very soon end up with a situation where a reasonably well-adjusted college graduate (one who doesn’t smoke pot) may not have the means to provide for himself, much less take a wife, and raise a family with her. And when pressed by Ben Shapiro about the possibility of Artificial Intelligence driving trucks on American highways, Tucker says that if he was President he would absolutely order the Department of Transportation to ban all AI on federal highways because if they didn’t millions of jobs would be lost. And truck driving is one of the most common jobs for high school educated men in America. Setting the Table Now let’s set the table carefully here. First, it’s absolutely true that the natural family is the foundational building block of society. Second, let’s agree that society should do everything lawfully in its power to protect and encourage family formation and flourishing. But here is where the questions begin to array themselves. What actually is “lawfully in its power?” Can the state simply do anything that appears to contribute to some notion of the “common good?” How should society protect and encourage natural family formation? My previously stated proposal is that as Protestant Christians we must begin with the clear instructions given in Scripture and then work our way out from those by good and necessary consequence, by the light of nature and Christian prudence. So I don’t think we need an explicit Bible verse about AI and truck drivers, but I do think we need clear-eyed biblical principles. There are multiple problems with Tucker’s proposal, beginning with him acting like a socialist. The assumption of socialism/Marxism is that there is no God, and therefore the state must take His place. Since there is no God to do justice, rendering unto each man what he deserves, the State takes unto itself this responsibility. Fascism need not be dark and bloody at first. It simply claims the right to command commerce and markets for the “common good” of society, for the good of families and family values. But it’s still fascism and socialism for all that, even if the state is commanding Bible reading and church attendance. Don’t misunderstand: I’m not saying that Tucker’s second presidential fiat would be compulsory Bible reading and church attendance. But why exactly not? Furthermore, these soft-socialist/fascist policies claim a kind omniscience. Tucker claims that millions of jobs will be lost in a matter of years. But this sounds like the conservative equivalent of the environmental doomsdayers. If you don’t ban plastic bags today, the oceans will rise in five years and millions will die! Or sometimes they even notice real problems, like for example, air pollution. But as Alex Epstein has helpfully catalogued, over and over again, there’s a certain simplistic and narrow mindset that looks at one factor and multiplies it by a million without accounting for all the other possibilities and concludes that the apocalyptic outcome is inevitable! And that’s trying to be god while sucking at it. So when environmentalists have projected air pollution from coal and oil and other fossil fuels, what they have consistently not accounted for is adaptation, creativity, ingenuity, and improvements in technology which mitigate, minimize, and sometimes completely undo the dangers and potential harms. People, made in the image of God, are like God, and despite our fallen natures, they are generally trying to improve things. Tucker’s comments struck me as not only tapping into that false socialist omniscience, but they were demeaning and condescending to the very human beings he was claiming to want to protect and help, while apparently completely forgetting about other human beings in the equation. Now, it’s an entirely open question as to whether it would ever actually work to have AI drive trucks in this country. At the very least, we would want to have a chain of liability clearly articulated, and like the goring ox in Exodus 21, require restitution and harsh penalties for any harm or damage that occurs. But why does Tucker paint the drug free college graduate like a helpless victim? Why are working class high school graduates being described as completely dependent on truck driving jobs? Can they not do anything else? A few decades ago they worked in American factories, but after the government got involved in “helping” them, they all got sent overseas. And here we are suggesting more Big Government involvement to help “fix” inequities. “We’re the government and we’re here to help,” are still the most terrifying words in the English language, even when they are in the mouth of so-called “common good” conservatives. Now, the fact of the matter is that even if the tech and liabilities all got sufficiently sorted, and people started experimenting with AI truck drivers, the change wouldn’t happen overnight. But as it started to happen (if it ever did), you would immediately be funding all the developers, troubleshooters, repairment, maintenance, and updates needed to grow and improve that new technology. The other part of the “inevitability-omniscience” complex is a failure to see that new technology only ever depends upon human beings creating it, maintaining, fixing it, improving, and so on. Read Life After Google by George Gilder and repent of your implicit Darwinism. Artificial intelligence will always be completely dependent upon human intelligence. So just as a new technology begins to break into markets, new human jobs come into being. And this is how it has always worked. As technology changes, some folks are laid off and find new creative outlets, but all of that new technology also always creates new needs for human workers. The Biblical Common Good The Biblical vision of the common good is each sphere of government exercising the power delegated to it by Christ obediently. The Magisterial Reformers were working in a particular historical moment where church government had way overreached its bounds, and part of the way you begin to limit overweening powers is by reinvigorating the balance of powers. In the days of Luther and Calvin it was absolutely necessary to call the magistrates to take up the sword of justice and push back the encroachments of the Papal See. However, we now live in an era where the state has become the Infallible Mouth of God, and it’s high time ministers of the gospel declared the Lordship of Christ and commanded magistrates back into their own lane, while insisting that husbands and fathers, wives and mothers step up to the plate and take back their authority in the home and marketplace. Until a crime has been actually committed, it is an unjust use of violence to manipulate markets. I understand that when you live in a snake pit of market regulations the temptation is to simply join the mafia and release your own “good” snakes into the mix, but as we learn from one of those lesser known Mosaic principles, never bring more snakes to a snake pit unless your snake will swallow all of them and turn back into a walking stick when it’s done. God has established three governments among men: the family, the church, and the state. These governments are not water-tight jurisdictions, but function more like a Venn diagram with clear differences and some overlap. God has assigned to the family the jurisdiction of health, welfare, and education. God has assigned to the church the ministry of worship and discipleship, the administration of Word and sacrament. God has assigned to the state the ministry of the sword of justice. Closely related is the difference between sins and crimes. We see this distinction beginning in the differing ministries of Abraham and Melchizedek, Moses and Aaron, as well as the differing penalties provided in the Mosaic law. When the law says that someone will be “cut off from among his people,” this is the ordinary discipline of Old Testament family and “church.” When the penalty prescribed is restitution or stripes or death, this the ministry of the sword. Now granted these are not pristine, Euclidian categories. Many of the laws in the Mosaic code have moral, ceremonial, and civil elements to them. Nevertheless, ceremonial laws were under the jurisdiction of the priests and civil laws were under the jurisdiction of the judges and magistrates. But the fact that family law was also being established in the Mosaic law is profound. Laws surrounding marriage and divorce and remarriage within families, with instructions for what might be appealed to civil magistrates for civil penalties begin to establish these jurisdictional differences. In other words, not all sins are or should be crimes. Covetousness is a sin but not a crime. Lying is always a sin, but not all lies should be adjudicated as crimes. Lust is a sin, even adultery in the heart, but until the lust is acted upon in fornication or adultery, there is no crime to adjudicate. A rebellious son ought to be disciplined by his own parents for many years before they determine to appeal to the civil magistrate for criminal penalties. But here is where the jurisdictions overlap: if a true biblical crime has been committed in a family or church, the civil magistrate is authorized by God to intervene. A civil magistrate my seek a warrant to arrest a father and pastor for sexual abuse. But by the same token, a father may resist or ignore tyrannical orders given a magistrate and a pastor may rebuke a magistrate and command him to repent of his sin, just as John did and lost his head for it. When a church excommunicates a professing Christian, barring them from the Lord’s Supper and fellowship in the local church, the church is exercising its power to protect truth and morality in a society. When a family disciplines its young children teaching them Christian virtues the family government is doing its part to cultivate families and work ethics and morality. The family has the power to ultimately disinherit a son or daughter for gross immorality or apostasy. And it is the job of the state to punish crimes as defined by Scripture. No crime has been committed if a trucking company fires a driver in favor of an AI driver. Conclusion In the clip mentioned, Tucker Carlson says that even though he believes in free markets it’s not an absolute or religious commitment or requirement. He says there’s no “Nicene Creed of Capitalism” he has to subscribe to. Now he’s absolutely right if he means that free markets may not be used to justify committing crimes (e.g. theft, murder, etc.). But what Tucker is actually proposing is denying jobs and livelihoods to those working in AI, and by the making it a law, he’s threatening the use of violence for those who try. In the name of doing good and protecting families, Tucker is proposing that he be the one who gets to choose the winners and the losers. Truckers are the winners; programmers and new tech are the losers. Sorry, the gods have spoken. We know what’s best for you. And actually, we’ve decided that cars have taken too many jobs away from horses and mules. So yeah, we’re going back to the Middle Ages, you greedy capitalist pigs. But seriously, where’s the line? Ok, I’ll stop here. Tucker says there’s no Nicene Creed of capitalism, and that’s true enough, but there is a Nicene Creed that says that God is the “Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible…” Invisible things would include market forces, the creativity and ingenuity of men, as well as their created needs and desires. Until or unless God gives a government the authority to step in, it is a violation of the Nicene Creed to grasp power for yourself and violently or coercively prohibit the free actions and creativity of people. It must always be remembered that if the primary power of the state is the power of the sword, then whenever you call for a “ban,” you are simultaneously calling for the use of violent, coercive force to be used if someone disregards the ban. I’m sorry, but we just had a few years of a police state trial run in the West with law enforcement fining churches for being open, for mandated gags on peoples’ faces, and frog marching decent law-abiding citizens off to jail for singing songs in public. I do believe in the “common good,” but the common good is determined by God’s Word and not simplistic, short-sighted calculations. It was those kinds of simplistic, short-sighted calculations that the Imperial College of London used to insight the COVID panic. So, no thanks. God’s world is more resilient, more complex, more glorious than that.

Today's guest is Alex Blumberg, who is most recently the co-host of the climate change-focused podcast, How to Save a Planet. Alex was co-founder and CEO of Gimlet Media, which was acquired by Spotify in 2019. Alex has a history of unpacking incredibly complex systemic issues and making them digestible for mass audiences. Prior to Gimlet, he was co-host of the podcast Planet Money, which had its origins in unpacking the intricacies of the financial crisis of 2008 and the role of the housing market, therein.Planet Money went on to do investigative work on a myriad of economic and financial stories. And then Gimlet Media emerged with a similar focus on broader cultural topics. On this pod, we've talked to a few different entrepreneurs who've tackled the challenging problem of climate communications, from Climate Town's comedy, to Pique Action's positivity, to The Cool Down's attempts to hook new audiences into caring about climate via individual choices. How to Save a Planet, focused on helping people find their personal agency on the Venn diagram of the intersection of "What brings you joy, what you are good at, and what work needs doing."Alex and Cody have a conversation about how his own Venn diagram has changed as his skills have shifted from being good at podcasting to being experienced a company building. And they talk about how the broader narrative on climate change has changed over the last few years and why. They also cover the intersection of money and climate and the role of policy and politics therein. This discussion has great takeaways for those who are thinking about plugging themselves into climate-related efforts while leveraging their own skill, and for those working on communicating complex climate issues.In this episode, we cover: [3:11] Overarching thoughts about the housing crisis and the climate crisis[8:41] Public opinion and general awareness of climate change and the issues[13:10] The action side of climate communications and how Alex approached it on How to Save a Planet[17:10] Listener stories inspired by the podcast[19:00] Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson's Climate Action Venn Diagram [22:39] How Alex used his skills in podcasting  to drive climate action[24:57] His background in radio and narrative storytelling[32:44] How Gimlet Media came to be and an overview of Startup Podcast[38:28] Learnings from Alex's journey starting Gimlet through its acquisition by Spotify in 2019[43:45] How to harness personal agency while building a company[47:11] Situations where using climate change or climate benefits actually hurts business[51:39] Alex's thoughts on ESG and corporate action[57:26] What's next for AlexGet connected: Cody Simms Twitter / LinkedInAlex Blumberg TwitterMCJ Podcast / Collective*You can also reach us via email at info@mcjcollective.com, where we encourage you to share your feedback on episodes and suggestions for future topics or guests.Episode recorded on December 13, 2022. 

Here's a new format we're piloting for the podcast... Alex Stevenson is joined by Phil Ball and Rachel Blackman-Rogers to size up the State of the Podcast and chew over a few questions from listeners. While the below provides a rough guide listeners should be advised the editorial style is CHATTY and LIGHTHEARTED, creating both a general sense of bonhomie and a tendency towards diverting historical anecdotes. 02:30 - Introductory patter 06:00 - Listener FEEDBACK, or, thanks youse guys! 17:50 - Plotting PANEL presentations, or, more content in the offing for the Napoleonic Quarterly 22:00 - RATIONALE, or, why this new bonus episode podcast format is a good and sensible idea which will delight listeners and indeed encourage listener engagement with questions and suchlike 26:00 - previewing EPISODE 26, or, what you can expect from Q2-1798 39:00 - 1800, or, what should we cover for Q1-1800, Q2-1800, Q3-1800 and, er, Q4-1800? 41:40 - AMPHIBIOUS, or, a discussion of the Venn diagram between two PhDs 48:00 - Answering listener QUESTIONS, or, the actual point of this episode

In this podcast, I got to interview one of my favorite people. When I'm down or feeling cynical, I look to Alex Absalom for an uplift—sometimes, just reminding myself of his joyous spirit gifts gets me out of the doldrums. Having planted churches and rescued others in Britain and the United States, Alex leads a ministry called Dandelion Resources. Mixing practical tools with spiritual realities, he and his wife, Hannah, teach churches to enter into the supernatural side of our mission more freely. The thought behind Dandelion Resources comes from dandelions being so fragile, beginning with a tiny seed floating in the air while becoming extremely pervasive. The gospel and all its spiritual strength still come to us as tiny seeds moved by the breath of the Spirit. In the podcast, Alex describes ministry with a Venn diagram or three overlapping circles. The circles are disciplemaking, staying focused on mission and being naturally supernatural. The problem that people like me (and perhaps you) face is that we are often strong on mission and disciplemaking but somewhat lacking in the natural supernatural. In this post-Christian era, prayer and the supernatural side of ministry can plant those fragile seeds in even difficult soil. For more connection with Alex or to invite him and/or Hannah to teach, you can reach him via dandelionresourcing.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: Karma overrates some topics; resulting issues and potential solutions, published by Lizka on January 30, 2023 on The Effective Altruism Forum. TL;DR: Karma overrates “lowest-common-denominator” posts that interest a large fraction of the community, leading to some issues. We list some potential solutions at the bottom. Please see the disclaimer at the bottom of the post. Posts that interest everyone — or discussions where everyone has an opinion — tend to get a lot more Forum karma (and attention) than niche posts. These posts tend to be about the EA community accessible to everyone, or on topics where everyone has an opinion Why does this happen? There are different groups with different niche interests, but an overlapping interest in the EA community: When a post about the EA community is published, many people might have opinions, and many people feel that they can vote on the post. Most people upvote, so more people voting usually means that a post will get higher karma. Similarly, if the topic of the post is something that doesn't require particular expertise to have an opinion about, lots of people feel like they can weigh in. You can think of these as “lowest-common-denominator posts.” This is related to bike-shedding. This leads to some issues This misleads people about what the Forum — and the EA community — cares about 10 of the 10 highest karma posts from 2022 were community posts, even though less than ⅓ of total karma went to community posts. When someone is trying to evaluate the quality of the Forum, they often go to the list of top posts and evaluate those. This seems like a very reasonable thing to do, but it's actually giving a very skewed picture of what happens on the Forum. Because discussions about the community seem to be so highly valued by Forum readers, people might accidentally start to value community-oriented topics more themselves, and drift away from real-world issues Imagine an author posting about some issue with RCTs that's relevant to their work — they'll get a bit of engagement, some appreciation, and maybe some questions. Then they write a quick post about the font on the Forum — suddenly everyone has an opinion and they get loads of karma. Unconsciously, they might view this as an indicator that the community values the second post more than the first. If this happens repeatedly or they see this happening, they might shift towards that view themselves if they defer even a bit to the community's view. Now imagine this happening on the scale of the thousands of people who use the Forum; these small updates add up. This directs even more attention to community-oriented, low-barrier topics, and away from niche topics and topics that are more complex, which might be more valuable to discuss Karma is used for sorting the Frontpage: higher-rated posts stay on the Frontpage for longer. This is useful, as it tends to hide the most irrelevant posts, and generally boosts higher quality content — more people see the better posts. But because posts that hit the middle sections in the Venn diagrams above get more karma, they tend to stick around for longer, which then gets them more karma, etc. (We didn't try to make this list of issues as exhaustive as possible.) Note that karma is not perfect even within a much more specific topic — pretty random factors can affect a Forum post's karma, and readers aren't always great at voting, but that is a separate issue. (We might write a post about it later.) Solutions we're considering or exploring Create something like a subforum or separate tab for “community opinion” posts, and filter them out from the Frontpage by default Or otherwise move in this direction Rename “Top” sorting to more clearly indicate what karma actually measures We tend to have a somewhat higher bar for sharing “community” posts ...

Kayla is joined by veterinary epidemiologist Stephanie Venn-Watson, and her husband, Eric Venn-Watson, who is a physician and US Navy veteran, to discuss how helping dolphins led to an incredible discovery. Together, they launched the first new vitamin found in 90 years: Fatty15. Listen to learn more about all the possible health benefits it may bring! Follow Stephanie & Eric's workInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/fatty15/?hl=enCheck out Fatty15: https://fatty15.com/pages/our-storyFollow Us:Instagram: www.instagram.com/candicekayla/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/CandiceKayla Website: www.candicekayla.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this episode of Unstoppable Mindset, we get to speak with Nick Bayard the executive Director of BirdNote. This organization is a nonprofit that provides sound-rich programs on over 200 radio stations that discuss the challenges faced by birds. The program includes the sounds of birds. It can be heard daily. You will get to learn more about BirdNote during our episode.   Nick holds a Master's degree in Public Administration and International Development from the Harvard Kennedy School and a bachelor's degree in Environmental Studies from Brown University. He served three years in the Peace Corps Paraguay and has held several social service policy decisions in the Northwest U.S.   Nick gives us much to think about, not only about birds and BirdNote, but also he helps us think more deeply about how we live our lives and how we can help make our whole planet a more friendly and good place to live.     About the Guest: Nick Bayard is the Executive Director of BirdNote. BirdNote is a public media nonprofit organization that tells vivid, sound-rich stories about birds and the challenges they face in order to inspire listeners to care about the natural world and take steps to protect it. BirdNote Daily is their beloved flagship show that has been in production since 2005. It is a one minute, 45 second daily radio show that broadcasts on over 250 radio stations across the US. You can listen to BirdNote Daily and other longform podcasts produced by BirdNote anytime, wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also learn what BirdNote is doing to contribute to more diverse and inclusive birding and environmental communities at www.birdnote.org.    Nick holds a master's degree in Public Administration and International Development from the Harvard Kennedy School and a bachelor's degree in Environmental Studies from Brown University. He served for three years in the environmental sector of Peace Corps Paraguay and has served in leadership roles in social services and racial equity in government policy in the Pacific Northwest. Nick is an Eagle Scout and also a musician, having released an award-winning children's album, Wishing Well, with his oldest son in 2014.    Nick and his wife Sedia live in Washington State with their three kids.   Ways to connect with Nick:   BirdNote website: www.birdnote.org  BirdNote daily podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birdnote-daily/id79155128 BirdNote's Bring Birds Back podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bring-birds-back/id1566042634 BirdNote's Threatened podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/threatened/id1538065542 BirdNote en Español podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birdnote-en-espa%C3%B1ol/id1643711928 Nick Bayard's LinkedIn page: www.linkedin.com/in/nickbayard Nick Bayard's Twitter page: https://twitter.com/NickBayard Wishing Well children's album: https://www.amazon.com/Wishing-Well-Nick-Bayard/dp/B00IHIEUYE/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=       About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app.   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.     Transcription Notes Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson  01:21 Welcome once again to unstoppable mindset. Hi, everyone. It's a nice fall day here in Southern California, supposed to get up to 96 degrees today. It is late September. So for those who remember, it is also the time of hurricane Ian in Florida. And our thoughts are with all the people and creatures down there. But today, we get to interview someone and talk about some of those creatures. Nick Bayard is a person who has been involved in dealing with natural resources and so on. He's the Executive Director of bird note. And we're going to get to that. And all things, Nick, as we go along. So Nick, welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Nick Bayard  02:05 Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here.   Michael Hingson  02:07 Well, it's our pleasure, and we really appreciate you taking the time to be here with us. Let's start just kind of learning a little bit about you, can you kind of tell us where you came from and how you got where you   Nick Bayard  02:18 are a little bit? Sure, well, I grew up in Delaware, in kind of a little bubble, to be honest, and, you know, my educational career kind of took a winding path, because I didn't really see a career out there that looks like something I wanted to do forever. I just feel like there's there's too much to try to pack into one life to commit to sort of, you know, doctor, lawyer, you know, etc. And so, I think that was both a blessing and a curse, because it led me to follow a lot of different paths. And it led to a lot of frustration too, because our, I think our society is set up to reward sort of monotony and continue building, you know, of a career over a period of time. But I wouldn't trade it for anything, because it's it's given me a lot of unique experiences, serving in the Peace Corps in South America, getting to do racial equity work and in government. And now being executive director of a wonderful organization that I've loved for a long time, came a bit out of left field, because I had done so many things that kind of added up to what the burden of board members wanted in this role that all of a sudden, things kind of fell into place for something that I never could have predicted. So it's it's been a winding road, but I'm really thrilled to be where I am and happy to get the chance to talk about it with you.   Michael Hingson  03:56 Winding roads are always kind of fun, you know, you never know where you're gonna go next. Or maybe you do but at the same time, it's always the adventure of getting there. That's at least half the fun.   Nick Bayard  04:07 And you've had that experience too, right? Yes, quite a number of lifetimes packed into one right.   Michael Hingson  04:14 It has been a fun adventure. And it continues to be and I can't complain about that a single bit. It's, you know, it's all about choices. And but it is all about embracing the adventure of life to exactly.   Nick Bayard  04:28 So what you went to college, I went to Brown University in Rhode Island and studied environmental studies and really had a wonderful experience there. And then   Michael Hingson  04:41 what got you from there to the Peace Corps?   Nick Bayard  04:43 You know, I thought I was gonna go down the path of biologist scientists, ecologist, spent a year doing a residency in environmental education in the Grand Tetons, and we're realized after that year that actually maybe halfway into that year that I would be, I would feel kind of limited myself, I guess if I were to just sort of pick that path and run with it, although lots of people do that and love it, it just wasn't for me. What I recognized is that I just didn't have enough experience out in the world to be able to even say what I wanted to commit to for, you know, even for at least the next few years, so I thought that the Peace Corps was this opportunity to, to really throw myself into the unknown and experience something completely different. And hopefully learn about people learn more about people learn more about institutions learn more about how different cultures and communities operate. And it was like, throw myself in the deep end, I got even more than I bargained for, I'd say, How so, you know, the Peace Corps was hard in ways that I didn't expect, I, I think I was conditioned to think of it as a just really an opportunity to help make the world a better place. But there's a danger of that Savior mindset. If you go to a place thinking that you have the skills or the resources to be able to help or save in a way that you've maybe seen it on TV, and you realize you're, you're with people, and you're, you know, you're not any better or worse than the folks that you're going to live with. And as a Peace Corps volunteer, you are very much reliant on your community to take care of you and teach you and that was jarring. I think it's jarring for a lot of folks who go abroad for service work. They've, there's this idea that, you know, we go and we save, or we help. But really, going with a mindset of humility, and learning and growth, I think is much more important. And so I had to sort of adjust my worldview in a lot of ways and recognize that, you know, I had never really thought about, oh, gosh, you know, I'm gonna go help a community. In every community, there are people who are unkind, who lie, who, who cheat, who steal, etc. And I don't know why I think part of my my upbringing was thinking, well, if people are underprivileged, they're all nice all the time. And it's just a community like any other. So I thought that was really interesting to go and experience, you know, humanity in a different context. And recognize that a lot of the preconceptions I had about about other parts of the world were completely wrong. And so it was perfect learning and growth. For me, that's exactly what I needed.   Michael Hingson  07:52 Interesting kind of way to put it when you talk about underprivileged and so on. Do you think today that there is underprivileged other parts of the world as you thought they were, when you were first starting out in the Peace Corps,   Nick Bayard  08:06 I think the biggest blind spot I had was really on, it wasn't even so much about global issues, it was about American history. And as I've, as I've grown, you know, and, and gotten older, the extent of the, the blind spots I had around race and racism in America, have really driven sort of this last 10 years of my my life and my career, really, from a place of just, you know, feeling like I was robbed of an understanding of how formative racism was at the at the heart of how the country was born, and how it's evolved, and how it's progressed, and why certain communities experienced the conditions that they do. And so that's something that I've really worked hard at to understand, because it's not history that I got in school, it's not history that I heard about in my community, you know, as I came to find out, that's very much by design. And so I, I don't blame myself for it. But I recognize the responsibility I have to keep to always keep learning and growing. Yeah.   Michael Hingson  09:19 Well, I think that we do oftentimes find that there. Are there any number of people who think well, we're so much better off than than they are. And I think it depends on what you mean, by better off if you think about the world being more technologically advanced, we have access to more technologies and more creature comforts, in some ways. Anyway, there's probably some truth to that. But when you get down into community, you get down into family and you get to dealing with those concepts, and the closeness and the loyalty that that people have. That's a whole different animal and it's not necessarily at all clear that we're really any better off as, as well as some people, at least from what I've heard and learned?   Nick Bayard  10:05 Yeah, I think back to, you know, I developed some really important friendships in Paraguay and really got close to folks in a way that can't really compare it to some of the friendships I've had in America even just because the cross cultural cross language divide, bridging, that is a powerful thing. And I've, I think I laughed more in Paraguay than I, I ever have in a similar stretch of time and in America, because there's, there's a sense of humor and a lightness in the Paraguayan culture that I experienced that it's just delightful. And, you know, there's, I hosted a weekly radio show. And every week, folks would, would give me jokes to tell in the, in the native language, Guarani. And it was, you know, on the radio show, we talked about things like, you know, the environment and agriculture and green manures and things like that. But the thing that really stood out to people are the jokes, because they, there were things that people connected with, and sense of humor is just a really important part of the culture. So it was, it was just interesting to to experience that the joy of being there with folks who really, really did not have infrastructure around them. Shiny water, paved roads, things like that. Just just having a great time in life. That that was a good, a good lesson for me.   Michael Hingson  11:47 Yeah. And oftentimes, I think, here in this country, we don't slow down and stop and think about life. And that's something that I've been thinking about a lot. And we're actually going to talk about it in the new book that I'm writing, which tentatively is titled The Guide Dogs Guide to Being brave, but it's about taking time each day to stop and really think about what you did that day, what worked, what didn't and just thinking about life, we don't meditate nearly enough, do we?   Nick Bayard  12:17 And you can say that, again, I don't know if you have any, go two ways to remind yourself, that's something I struggle with is just actually committing to a pause until I feel like I really need it. I don't know if you if you have any insight,   Michael Hingson  12:36 you know, what we're what we're talking about in the book are several different techniques that can help. One thing that I find a lot of people use our vision boards and treasure mapping and visioning, where you put something up on a refrigerator, or somewhere to remind you of something like if you're going to take a vacation. And you want to really keep in the mindset of getting prepared for that you put a picture of like if you're going to go to Hawaii, you put a picture of Hawaii up well, you can do the same thing with with what we're talking about here, you can put up something around the house that says Don't forget to meditate at the end of the day, or when you when you get into bed before you turn off the light. If there's someplace that you normally look, put there a note, don't forget to take five minutes or 10 minutes to meditate. And you can put reminders up to do that. And what eventually happens, if you do it, and are consistent about it, you'll create a mindset that will cause you to automatically do it. And you'll be able to go more into a mode of of meditating. I took a course in transcendental meditation in college. And what they suggested was this make it a habit to get up 20 minutes early and meditate in the morning or and take and set up a time to do it at night. Nowadays, we have other ways to help with visioning. I, for example, put a lot of reminders in my little Amazon Echo device, I got to be careful of what I say or she's going to talk to me, but But I I put reminders in of things that I want to do not just about meetings on the calendar, but other things. And that's another way to vision it doesn't have to be from an eyesight standpoint. So you if you have an echo, you can tell it to remind you at 11 o'clock every night hey, go meditate for 10 minutes. I mean, there are a lot of ways to use technology and techniques to create a visioning environment to get you into the habit of doing something.   Nick Bayard  14:46 That's great. Yeah, I My My issue is I think I have to keep coming up with new ways to get my attention but get my own attention. Sort of like exactly how sometimes the sign word Some other times, I feel like I need up a sign that all kind of slapped me in the face. Because I'm not, I'm not willing to listen to what my my past self had reminded me to do. Well, that's   Michael Hingson  15:11 why I like the idea of the echo device. And I can tell it to we have several echo devices around the house. So I can have the reminder play on every echo device as well, so that it will remind me wherever I am in the house that you can't escape it. For me, I'm pretty much in the habit of doing it all the time. But still, having the reminder doesn't hurt. Right, right, right. So there are a lot of ways to give yourself a reminder to do something that will force you to at least for the second set, it's on to listen, and hopefully that will help you move forward and doing what it is you want to do. And taking time really to stop and or at least slow down and think a little bit is always an important thing to do.   Nick Bayard  16:03 Hmm. Yeah, I think one of the challenges of work from home is there's, there's folks that do that is less, less travel, less transition. And so it's easy for things to kind of pile up and go just back to back to back. And it's like, oh, let me actually go into the other room here and sit down for a minute and or take a walk outside. That's Those are good reminders.   Michael Hingson  16:29 Yeah. And those can be verbal with an echo device, you can send yourself a calendar invite that just remind you, every day, it's such and such a time, take the time to go off and do something and you know, you may not be able to do it right at that moment. But the reminder is still there. And by having something that forces you to at least think about it that is reminders in various formats and forms. That helps. All right, right. So we can take the time to do it. The problem that I think we mostly have is, oh, I just don't have time to do that. I've got to get this done or that done. Yeah, we do have time. Mental health is one of the most important thing, if not the most important thing that we can be doing for ourselves that we normally don't pay attention to. But in reality, we can make work for us.   Nick Bayard  17:22 For sure, for sure. I think that's that's originally actually what drew me in to burn out which is, which is the organization where I am. And it's a the flagship show that we run on radio stations, and our podcast is it's called burnout daily, that people probably know it as burnout. It's a minute, 45 seconds, and it's got a catchy theme song that invites you in and invites you to pay attention to the lives of burns for just Just a minute, 45 seconds. And that seems to be enough time that you can go deeply into something but not so much time that you you can't justify just sitting there and listening. Which is originally why you know why I came to love the program so much. Well,   Michael Hingson  18:15 how long were you in the Peace Corps?   Nick Bayard  18:17 I was there for I did a a two year volunteer service term. And then I stayed on for an additional year to be the coordinator of the environment sector.   Michael Hingson  18:28 Where the volunteers were was that. I'm sorry, where was that? Where did you do that?   Nick Bayard  18:34 In Paraguay? Okay, one of two landlocked countries in South America and the other?   Michael Hingson  18:40 Yeah. Right. Yeah, there's a lot of water around South America.   Nick Bayard  18:46 Yeah. You know, and, unfortunately, if Paraguay has not been, as that benefited from a lot of the natural resources on the continent, partly due to the, you know, the history of war, there was a major war that Paraguay found itself in against Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay, and it just turned into an actual massacre of genocide. It was, I think it was just after the US Civil War ended, or it was right around that time, and something like 80% of all boys and men are killed. And then the country shrunk. And then it was President Rutherford B. Hayes who brokered an agreement to give Paraguay back some of its land and so there's actually a county in Paraguay called President Hays County or it's been caught, but as they didn't they i Yes. And so I saw more busts and sort of recognitions of President Hayes in Paraguay than I ever expected to see anywhere. It's really interesting.   Michael Hingson  19:57 There's a historic fact I didn't know Cool. And that's, that's a good thing. And and we do have a Paraguay today. And so you spent time in the Peace Corps there, which is always a good thing.   Nick Bayard  20:10 Yeah. And it was, it was interesting to go and realize that Spanish wouldn't help me very much. I spoke a little bit of Spanish. I got there. But the Peace Corps trainer is quickly put me into a class to learn the language, quad knee, which is the language that most Paraguayan speak most of the time, and the class itself was taught in Spanish. And so I was just really having a hard time with that one, because I sort of it sort of felt like, you know, trying to use tweezers with oven mitts on it's like, I barely know what you're saying, I'm supposed to understand it enough to, to learn a whole new language, it ended up working out really well. But I ended up learning it very well, very, very, very fluently,   Michael Hingson  21:02 but but those first few months were pretty rough. Well, there's nothing like immersion to force you to learn something, which is going back to what we talked about, as far as giving yourself reminders to take time to think about life. You know, it's all about immersion.   Nick Bayard  21:18 Yeah, that the other really surprising thing that happened when I was first arriving in Paraguay was I was I was just starting to go bald. And I was dealing with all the emotions around that. And having a hard time with that, and, and some of the folks in my community where I was training, would ask me about it, and prod me about it, and even make fun of me about it. And so I, I realized, okay, if I'm gonna be able to have a snappy comeback or something, I've got a, I got to figure this out, because I just, I'm having a hard enough time with this already. And just to have people kind of prodding me in on something that I'm sensitive about, you know, I, I need to learn to communicate here.   Michael Hingson  22:03 Also a good way to maybe pick up some more jokes for a future radio program.   Nick Bayard  22:09 Yeah, exactly, exactly.   Michael Hingson  22:12 So what did you do after the Peace Corps?   Nick Bayard  22:15 Well, I came back to the US and wanted to be in DC, because that's where a lot of international development work was, was based, but actually ended up working for a nonprofit that develops high quality preschools in low income neighborhoods, called appletree. Institute, and help help them raise money and develop new schools. In areas where there hadn't traditionally been been very effective schools. And, you know, it was there that I really learned how to how to pitch an organization to funders. It was a, it was a fundraising role. And so that was really valuable for me, because I got to really understand how, you know what, what's compelling to people who might want to give and what is fundraising other than really giving somebody the opportunity to support something maybe they didn't know that they wanted to support. So I came to really enjoy fundraising and realize that if it's for something that I care about, it's it's a great opportunity for me and for the people that I connect with to to make the world a better place.   Michael Hingson  23:30 Yeah. How long did you do that?   Nick Bayard  23:33 I was there for two years. After about a year and a half, I felt like, Okay, I've kind of plateaued in this role, I'm going to apply to grad school, I got a very good score on my GRE and a friend of mine and her dad told her the score, and she said, you could go to Harvard. And I had not thought of that before she said it. And it sort of got the wheels turning, like maybe see what see what Harvard has gone on. And they had a master's program and Public Administration and International Development, which was really appealing because it was quantitative, heavy. It focused on economics, which everybody in international development just kept saying, you know, you got to have that foundation. And it ended up you know, being a program that the math was so advanced that it was sort of like being hit with a ton of bricks for the first year. You know, and then after the after that first year, I get into take more courses on, you know, things like public speaking and leadership and negotiation and writing, you know, the stuff that now feels a little bit more practical to my day to day, but it was actually that was where I met my wife and so I'm especially glad that that was worked out the way that it did because it completely. It completely, you know, formed every every moment since, you know, since I met Cydia, my wife. So that's probably the most valuable thing I got from Harvard.   Michael Hingson  25:18 Well that makes makes a lot of sense. So you got your master's degree was she in the same program,   Nick Bayard  25:23 she was in the School of Education getting she was getting her second master's degree. She had gotten a master's degree from the school for international training. And this master's degree was in learning and teaching at Harvard Graduate School of Education. And everybody at Harvard was just kind of blown away by her and what she knew about learning and teaching. Because she'd done it for so long understood it so well. And I think a lot of her classmates more and more from her than they did from some of the professors, to be honest. So she's she, she really understands how people learn better than anyone I've, I've met. And she's she's really helped me whenever I've given a training or had I sort of convey a concept to a group. Well just   Michael Hingson  26:16 give her permission to remind you every day to take some time to meditate and think about life. And I bet you'll have the habit in no time. I bet you're right. Wives, wives do that. And that's a blessing. So sure. So they're, and all that math. Well, everything needs math in one way or another. But I can appreciate the fact that once you survive the math, and sometimes I wonder when, when colleges and universities do those things that you don't expect, like in a program, like you're thinking of giving you so much math, or when I was at UC Irvine, the people who went into the bioscience program, before they got to the point of being able to take all of the regular bioscience courses other than introductory courses, they had to take a year of organic chemistry. And a lot of the people in the biocide program, we're gonna go into med so they were kind of pre med and all that. And what what happened is that people who enrolled in the biocide program at UC Irvine, I know the first year I was there, 1600 people enrolled. And there were 200 left by the end of their sophomore year, because organic chemistry and other courses like that weeded them out. And the bioscience department was very deliberate about insisting that you have to do all that before you can go on, even though and the reality is, of course, you would use that organic chemistry. But still, before you can get to the real practical stuff, you've got to be able to deal with the theory. So kind of wonder if they were doing that at Harvard, if that was part of the logic.   Nick Bayard  27:54 I wonder, you know, there's, you know, you wonder how sadistic some of these design these programs. One of the things that, you know, I feel like our program at Harvard does, you know, as it is it signals to folks who know about that degree, that you can do something very intense and difficult. Even if you don't end up using a lot of the hard skills, you know, that you you worked on there. So that's, that's been valuable for when folks know about that degree program. Anybody who's been through the Harvard Kennedy School will, I think set up a little straighter when you tell them that you have an NPA ID is that's that's the one that it's really the you know, the gut punch, especially in that first year.   Michael Hingson  28:45 Yeah, well, you survived it and you moved on, what did you do after you got that   Nick Bayard  28:50 degree? I actually spent a year working on music and recognize that like, there probably wouldn't be a time in a transition period when I'd have the opportunity to, to pursue music was something I've always loved and always done for, for, you know, just a full time thing for a while. And so when I when I met Cydia, she had been with our oldest son at the time, she'd come over as a single mom with her son, Wally, to Harvard, they kind of upgraded everything and came to Cambridge. And when I met Cydia, qualia was 10. And so we kind of became a family unit pretty quickly. And obviously when you know when to do it, and I got married, and so one of the things that came of that time we were living in DC was city I said, Why don't you write a children's album? And all of a sudden, all this music just started coming out of me, inspired by my conversation was with a query. And so it was really quite a fun time to, to be able to talk to him and understand his worldview and then write some music based on what I learned. And we, we ended up recording and producing this album together called wishing well. And it became pretty popular on the children's radio stations. And Wally and I were invited to be showcased performers at the world's only at the time Children's Music Conference. kindy calm, and at the time, we were the only act that had an actual kit, and you know, in the group, so that was quite a special time. And you know, we moved back out to cometa to put a trailer back in his his school he had been in, but we stayed on the East Coast for a year and did music and, you know, made some memories.   Michael Hingson  30:54 What good memories Wow, that's pretty amazing. I'm going to have to go look for the album.   Nick Bayard  31:00 Yeah, it was it was a surprise. To me, I had never thought of writing or recording children's music till Cydia suggested it. And I've, you know, I loved music as a kid Rafi has always been a hero of mine. And things kind of came full circle when I had a chance to take. Now our two youngest kids, we have four and a six year old to see Rafi alive. Just before the pandemic hit, we had a chance to meet him and give him a hug. And it just the you know, the the waterworks were turned on I it was more emotional than I expected it to be he so what did you do after music. That was we came out to Tacoma. And I was basically, you know, trying to figure out my place in this community and had a lot of meetings with folks and learned about an opening for the director of a social service organization that was working to support youth and young adults who were struggling with education and employment or housing, mental health, substance use disorders. And getting that job and really trying to build this thing into something that was, you know, trusted by young people and offered as many services as we can offer in one place. Because the young folks that have been burned by institutions are a lot less likely to trust institutions. And so we, as an institution could could help start to rebuild that trust a little bit by creating a space where people were, were welcomed and felt accepted, felt represented, and really could could be put on a path towards success, then we can make a big difference. And so it was a it was about as there for about five years, and we were able to increase mental health services on site, we were able to expand the the housing options for young people experiencing homelessness for our county. And we're able to really start the conversation around how institutional racism in the nonprofit sector is, is making our nonprofits not only in some cases, not effective, but in other cases, actually, the perpetuators of harm and so that's, that's something that I'm really pleased came out of that experience was was an opportunity to lead some of those conversations and be part of some of those efforts to to make it tough to make a change in the sector in terms of racial equity.   Michael Hingson  33:56 What made you go out to Tacoma in general,   Nick Bayard  34:00 well Cydia and equate my my wife and oldest son before I met them, they had been here my wife was born in eastern Washington and grew up in Tacoma. And so they had had they had a wife here before they went east to, to for city to get her second master's. And so we, you know, quaintly had his friends back here and I liked what I knew of Washington and so we decided to come out here and start a life together as a family. Less snow than the East Coast. Yes, sadly for me, but happily for much others in my family, who aren't as as big snow fans as I am,   Michael Hingson  34:47 but still get to snow.   Nick Bayard  34:49 We can. That's true. That's true. But it's a wonderful place to raise a family just because it's it is like you said you can get to almost anything Whether it's you know, the city, whether it is performing arts, venues, nature hikes, mountains, rivers, lakes, the ocean, you know, it's just, it's just great. And it's sort of like the home that I never knew I wanted.   Michael Hingson  35:20 And I'll bet being in Washington, you even know where Gonzaga University is where everyone else only knows once a year during basketball season.   Nick Bayard  35:28 That's right, we have some fierce, fiercely loyal folks, you know, in those, you know, in those in those fights, and I try to stay out of it. Yeah, the sports. The sports debates,   Michael Hingson  35:45 I had the honor of being invited to speak at Gonzaga several years ago, it was a lot of fun, and very much enjoyed being up there. So that's great. I've spent a lot of time around various places in Washington, which is always a good thing. We love Washington. Although we we love Victorville where we are we love it, especially because our house is very accessible, we built the house so that it's accessible for my wife. And so we can't complain. And then as you said, working at home, you know, you have all the things that you got to do. But we can create schedules and set it up to work, right. So it works out very well for us. So we're, we're pretty, we're pleased.   Nick Bayard  36:25 That's great. I'm curious if you, if you have any reflections on, you know, the people in Washington versus the folks where you are, one of the things I learned when I came out was that, that there's just sort of this, this norm of, it's okay to just start talking to somebody without even sort of an intro, sort of like you'd be at the supermarket and you can just, you can enter the middle of a conversation with somebody you've never met. I don't know if that was your experience when he came out here.   Michael Hingson  36:55 It was, and there are parts of California where you can do some of that. But I think the whole world is changing, we're getting to be such a polarized world, because of things that are happening in politics, that shouldn't happen, that people aren't talking to each other nearly as much as they used to, I don't know whether you're finding that out there. But we are seeing a lot more of it down here than we used to,   Nick Bayard  37:19 I find myself a lot more closed off. For a couple of reasons. One being, I still mask most places I go. And I also wear hearing aids. And so the combination of the mask and hearing loss, and, you know, just the mechanics of that, and then if somebody else is wearing a mask, it makes it really hard for me to, to hear what they're saying. Because I can't read their lips. And at the same time also, like, being a little bit wary of, you know, being around folks for too long and close environments. We've been lucky with COVID we haven't, haven't had it, but just, you know, I'm looking forward to, you know, science, figuring out more about how to how to prevent it, how to treat it, how to deal with long COVID, that kind of stuff. So yes, I've I've not been as gregarious as I think I always used to be. But I hope to get back to that at some point.   Michael Hingson  38:21 We have stayed pretty close to home, I've traveled a few times to speak, done a lot of virtual things, but we stay pretty close to home, just because it is safer. And you know, we can cope with that we we are pretty good at being flexible about things changing. And when people talk about getting back to normal. That just is never going to happen. And I first thought about that after September 11. Because people kept saying after September 11 With all the things that were going on and government being closed for a week and airports being closed and all that and just all the discussions and people started saying we got to get back to normal. And it was very frustrating to me. And I finally realized that it was frustrating, because normal will never be the same again.   Nick Bayard  39:09 Right. Right. And and what opportunities do we have to identify what what was bad about the old normal that we can we can change. One of the I think real blessings over the last few years has been people have been forced or and invited, I think to to examine how they're spending their time, what they give their time and effort to. And I see people being bolder about pursuing what they love and spending more time with their families. And I think that's a wonderful byproduct of what's been a really difficult couple of years.   Michael Hingson  39:53 Yeah. And I hope that that trend will continue in that path. People will recognize that, and that companies and bosses and leaders will recognize that there's value in letting people do that, because it'll be much better for their mental health. Absolutely. Well, you ended up going at least for a while into city government in Tacoma, right?   Nick Bayard  40:17 I did, I was the assistant chief equity officer in the Office of Equity and Human Rights, which is charged with supporting equitable representation in the workforce. Making sure that our community outreach is is, is really robust, making sure that policies and procedures are equitable, and, and that they recognize the harm that's been done over over decades, you know, against certain groups, and so it's, it's an office that I have a ton of respect for, and I was really happy to be able to serve for for a couple of years. And it was really, I think, it's really valuable to, to go back and forth between different sectors to, to be able to keep fresh eyes on things, one of the things I really appreciate being able to do was being able to come into the government role with lots of grassroots community development experience, and having relationships with a lot of folks that a lot of the city employees didn't have. And so I was able to kind of be a trusted liaison for a lot of those groups and for city staff, and, you know, everybody's got their own path. But for me, being able to, you know, take that experience, somewhere where it can be of good use is, is important. And that's that's also, you know, translated to coming back to the nonprofit sector and going into public media now, is that I've got, you know, that perspective of what it's like to be in government and, you know, as as an entity that reports to, to voters and to community members in a, you know, in the way that in the way that our elections are set up, and the way that our community engagement set up. So it was, it was a, it was quite a valuable experience,   Michael Hingson  42:19 did you in dealing with all of the various issues and aspects around equity? Of course, everybody talks about diversity and so on. But generally, when they do disabilities get left out of that, did you find that you were involved at all or very much in dealing with equity from the standpoint of dealing with persons with disabilities and making sure that they get into the, to the workforce, and that were treated fairly, and so on?   Nick Bayard  42:48 Yes, there actually, prior to my arrival, there had been a long standing Tacoma area commission on disabilities. And most of the members of that commission, if not all, experience, pretty significant disabilities, you know, carry those in their lives. And so our office was charged with being the liaison for that commission. And so whenever there was, the commission would bring a concern or a policy proposal to the city come through our office. One of the projects that was underway that we helped move forward while I was there, was around accessible taxis. And it, it's a good, it was a good window into just how complex is policy challenges can be. Because, you know, the the elected officials that would have to get put put this into place, you know, had to figure out, we had to figure out how much it costs, we had to figure out where folks would need to go, we had to figure out what it would mean to retrofit a taxi company's vehicles. And then how Uber and Lyft and others will be involved with that. And it was it's a multi year process that's still underway. But what we did was we commissioned a feasibility study, so that we could get a clearer and clearer sense of what the cost and scope would need to be so that the elected officials could make a good decision based on that. Something else that commission accomplished was I'm really proud of, but I didn't have any personal part of this is that they had the council pass an ordinance to require closed captioning in all places of business, restaurants and so on. So somebody that's hearing impaired or deaf, would be able to watch TV watch a sports game and know what's going on in a way that they hadn't before. So I think the the bigger issues to tackle had to do with accessible housing and accessible streets And, and that kind of thing. And those are those that's ongoing work. Of course,   Michael Hingson  45:03 other aspects of all that that still don't get addressed very well are things that deal with with eyesight and things like Braille menus in restaurants. So we're, now you've got many companies that we in one way or another are putting kiosks in their facilities and McDonald's and McDonald's is now starting to make those kiosks talk or even accessible voting machines, so that a person who happens to be blind or low vision can go in and use an accessible machine to be able to vote independently. And there are just a lot of challenges like that, that continue to get left out of a lot of the discussions, which is unfortunate.   Nick Bayard  45:47 Very unfortunate. So a question for me is always how do how do we elevate voices like yours and and others? Who? Who oftentimes, I think the, the discussion is it the, the the attention is ends up going on, you know, the, the group or the person that can shout the loudest? Yeah. And so that's not that shouldn't be the case, it should be, you know, we should take a look at intersecting issues of privilege and access and figure out, you know, if, if we can redesign our system so that those of us who you know, have the most barriers, or have have an easy time of it, I think we'll all have an easier time of it, boy struck by the universal design concepts that make things accessible for folks with disabilities, but also make them easier to access for folks without disabilities. It's hard to argue against a lot of investment and that kind of change, I think.   Michael Hingson  46:54 And therein lies one of the real keys that is that, in reality, a lot of the things that might make life more inclusive for us really would help other people as well. But so many people emphasize just one thing that it makes it more of a challenge, like eyesight, you know, so even and one of my favorite topics I've discussed a couple of times on this podcast are the Tesla vehicles were everything is really driven by a touchscreen. And to use not only voice input, what voice output is limited or non existent, there is some voice input to be able to do things. But I as a passenger in a Tesla can't even work the radio, because it's all touchscreen driven. That's really lovely. Except that whoever does it, and the case of a driver, a driver has to look at the screen. And yes, you do have some other capabilities of the Tesla helping with driving. But the reality is that with the state of technology today, people should be watching the road. And we've got the technologies to allow us to use other senses. And we don't do it nearly as much as we should. We have not and we have not embraced in inclusive mindset yet. And when we do, then a lot of the questions that people may have and the concerns that people may have will go away, because they'll realize that what affects some will really help everyone,   Nick Bayard  48:28 for sure. I think part of the part of the reason we get stuck on some of these things is that we tend to think about things in either or terms like either either you support blind people, or you support immigrants, or you support people of color or you support the LGBTQ community. And there's these like saying these soI completely separate projects is a recipe for complete failure to make anything change. And I think what we we need to recognize is that every group contains elements of every other group. Correct. And so helping helping one group fully is going to help other groups in different ways and thinking of ways that we can invest in those, you know, in the middle of those Venn diagrams, so that so that everybody benefits. Right.   Michael Hingson  49:30 Well, so you worked in government, and then how did you get to bird note from that?   Nick Bayard  49:35 Well, I've always loved birds and been fascinated by their behavior, their anatomy, their resilience, and had had taken some ornithology masters levels classes. I when I was out in Wyoming, and, you know, it hadn't been at the front of my mind. You know, since I started family hadn't been out bird watching too much. But then I saw that, you know, the executive director job at burnout had opened up. And it was interesting to me because I didn't realize that bird note itself was independent of radio stations. As a listener, I always thought the burden out was just part of our either part of our local radio station or part of NPR. But in fact, it's an independent nonprofit. And so it, it took me seeing the job opening to understand how the organization was set up. And all of a sudden, it I was just very excited about that opportunity. Because, you know, I'd had nonprofit leadership experience, I love birds, I love the burnt out daily show, and the long form podcasts that burned out, produces. And it it seemed to me that it was just a great next step, in terms of in terms of getting to know a new field of public media, in terms of being able to take some skills I've learned elsewhere and apply them. And it was, you know, it was it was a job where I didn't know anyone going into it. And so, you know, a lot of people and myself included, you know, get jobs through, you know, a personal connection, introduce you to somebody, and then you go through an application or interview process. With burnout, it was it was first time recently where I just applied and was invited to interview. And so in that way, it was, it was gratifying, just not that I, you know, not that there's anything wrong with, you know, having those connections, but, you know, it's It felt good to just apply and just on the nature of what they saw, have them give me a call and,   Michael Hingson  51:58 and asked me to, to interview. And the rest is sort of history.   Nick Bayard  52:05 That's right. That's right, as coming up on one year and November.   Michael Hingson  52:08 So tell us a little about bird note, I'd appreciate knowing more about what exactly the organization is, what it does, and so on.   Nick Bayard  52:17 Sure, we're an independent public media nonprofit organization that's been around since 2005. And it it started really, as a as a radio program under the auspices of Seattle Audubon. And eventually, after a few years it, it became its own nonprofit. And it started really with this vision that the founders vision was to produce a short, sound rich audio experience for radio listeners about birds. And it's just become a really beloved institution in the areas where it's broadcast. And it it's now we've got the flagship show is the minute 45 second show, copper note daily that broadcasts in about 250 public radio stations across the US. We've got long form podcasts, those are called threatened and bring birds back. And we do virtual events and things that most listeners know us for burning out daily. Because that's our biggest audience. We've got, we think around 5 million daily listeners to that show. And so what's really powerful about that, is that we're able to, I believe, create a mindset shift for all of those folks, in terms of inviting them to slow down, pay attention to nature, learn something amazing about birds, and hopefully get inspired to spend more time with nature, with birds, and to the point where we hope we inspire action. For conservation, whether that's something simple, like the way that you live your life, the way that you set up your bird feeders, the way that you turn off your lights during migration season, those kinds of things, all the way up to advocating for more federal legislation for conservation. You know, we hear from listeners that we we have changed their lives, which is really amazing to hear that we've inspired people to to pursue careers in ornithology bird science, that we have helped people with mental health. People say that the show calms them down. It's something that they look forward to every day. And I think the really, really big opportunity we have is to continue showcasing and diversifying people from every background on the show and stories that reflects different kinds of knowledge. folks that aren't, you know, this the the typical profile of somebody who's been centered a conservation over the last 100 years. white male, able bodied person recognize that every group is connected to burns and has a love of, of burning in the outdoors. And we have an opportunity to elevate those stories that haven't been elevated, you know, over over our country's history, which is, I think, very powerful.   Michael Hingson  55:20 So what is the typical one minute 45 second show, like what happens?   Nick Bayard  55:27 Well, sometimes we we start with our theme song, which I'm not going to attempt to recreate with my voice here on burnout.org. And hear that it's a it's a very short, little, just very catchy, you know, couple of seconds thing and then you'll hear the narrator say, this is bird note. And then you'll hear the sound of birds usually, and the narrator will talk you through what you're hearing. And well explained something about the birds behavior, something that we you know, we're learning about the birds something that scientists have just figured out, that kind of thing, then we'll take you back to the sounds of the birds, and then maybe one or two more pieces of information. And then from time to time, well, well let folks know what they can do to to learn more or to connect or to you know, to to make a difference for birds. This morning show was about the white Bennett storm petrel, which is a seabird lives off the coast of Chile and Peru. And it lives most of its life just over the water. And it took scientists eight years to figure out that this storm petrol actually nests about 50 miles inland and the desert and part of the continent that people describe as looking like the surface of bars. So anytime we can, we can drop in some surprising fun tidbits of information for our listeners, we love to do that too. So is bird node, a standard 501 C three nonprofit it is. And if you've got a burden on.org, you can learn more about how to get our email list, which gives you a sneak preview of all of our daily or weekly shows. You can support bird note, we, we we rely on the generosity of listeners to do what we do. And so, you know, unlike a radio station public radio station, which does a fun to drive every couple of years, or sorry, a couple times a year, we we are asking listeners over social media and have our email list to support us with gifts. And we're fortunate to have a lot of generous listeners who donate monthly and who give annually. And one of the services that we've created is something called Bird note plus, where you can subscribe at a different level of monthly giving to get ad free podcasts and get access to special events and get early access to shows and so if there any podcast fans or bird lovers out there that want to check out bird note plus, I would encourage them to do that.   Michael Hingson  58:19 I would as well. It it sounds like a lot of fun. I have not I guess either been up at the right time or whatever have not heard bird no daily here so I'm going to have to go set up a reminder to go listen on the website, I guess every   Nick Bayard  58:34 day. Please do. Yes, you can subscribe anywhere you can podcasts, you can subscribe to the sempurna daily, something that's really exciting as we just launched burnout en Espanol. So it's our first dual language production. So there's a new podcast feed for burnout and Espanyol where it's it's the same experience of the English burden on daily but in Spanish and speaking with folks in and in it throughout the Americas that are doing conservation work. In conversation in Spanish, it's, I think a really great opportunity for us to broaden our audience throughout the Americas. And then our our long form podcasts you can also find anywhere you get podcasts or bring birds back is is I think there's just a really special program that's hosted by a woman named Tanisha Hamilton who models her entry into birding and you just feel the enthusiasm and excitement as she gets into this and talks about things like what it's like to be a black woman birder what it's like to find your own community and birding. You know, how do people with disabilities? What are some of the technologies that they can use to get out and look at birds there and then there are different sort of species specific Two episodes, one of the really popular ones is about the purple Martin, which, which has an amazing history of interplay with with Native American communities and, and carried forward today where people will become what they call purple Martin landlords and create houses for them and just it's just a great story. Great, great program. And then our we have a field based long form podcast called threatened, which is hosted by already Daniel who's on NPR science desk now, and that's about going to the place they're doing in depth work to understand the conservation challenges birds are facing. And so that that podcast is coming out with new episodes in January, focused on Puerto Rico and island habitats. We just wrapped up the season on Hawaii, which was, which was really fascinating.   Michael Hingson  1:00:57 Well, I, I'm gonna go listen, I It will be fun to go do that. Well, if people want to reach out and learn more about you and burden on I assume they can go to bird node.org. But how can they contact you and learn more?   Nick Bayard  1:01:11 Sure they can. They can email me directly at Nick B. At bird note dot org. Always happy to chat. If it's a general bird note inquiry, you can email info at bird note.org We get a lot of people writing in with bird questions. You know, how do we get burned out on our local radio station, that kind of thing. We love to hear those kinds of questions because it helps us connect with new audiences and new radio stations. And, you know, I'm hopeful that we can grow the broadcasts range of Berto because right now we brought about 250 radio stations. But if if we were to, you know, get broadcasts on some of the bigger stations, we could double or triple our audience overnight, which would be, which would be amazing. And it's just a minute 45 seconds. So it's not exactly like a huge investment. I understand that, that time is a finite resource on radio, but I just I don't think there's any good reason why every radio station shouldn't play Burnin Up   Michael Hingson  1:02:18 is short Is it is it makes perfect sense to do. Well, I, I find it fascinating and I hope everyone listening to us today will find it fascinating as well. And that they will reach out to you I think it will be beneficial. And as I said, I'm gonna go make it a habit, I think I can easily do that minute and 45 seconds is just not that long. It's not a big ask just and it's such a such a joyful   Nick Bayard  1:02:47 show. You know, I came into this job as a huge fan, and just have become an even bigger fan, just, you know, getting under the hood and understanding everything that goes into developing creating and producing these shows. So I just feel really lucky to be doing what I do and lucky to have the chance to try to share it with as many people as I can and lucky to ask people to write us check some of sign up to God because that's that's what, that's what keeps us producing the stories and what what allows us to keep growing?   Michael Hingson  1:03:27 Well, I'm gonna go check out bird note.org. And a little bit more detail. Do you know if the website designer paid any attention to or spend any time making sure that it's accessible and put an accessibility kinds of elements to the site? And or do you know if they've done that?   Nick Bayard  1:03:42 We've done a, we our web developer ran an accessibility audit. I need to dig into the details around which aspects are good and which are bad. They told us we got a 91% score.   Michael Hingson  1:03:58 That's pretty good.   Nick Bayard  1:03:59 I think yeah, I think it's pretty good. That's you know, there's always, always room for improvement. One of the things that we were early early adopters of is the the transcripts of every episode on how to be really descriptive in those but I know that we've got got work to do and would welcome any, any feedback you have for sure when you when you go and check it out.   Michael Hingson  1:04:26 We'll do it. And I will definitely communicate either way. Well, Nick, thanks again for being with us. This has been fun and fascinating. I hope you've enjoyed it and and we really appreciate you coming on and we hope you'll be back and update us as burnout progresses.   Nick Bayard  1:04:44 Well, thanks so much, Michael. And I just want to say I'm really inspired by you and your story and I was just thrilled to hear from you and get the invitation to talk. So it's been just a really wonderful Expo. grandson a great honor to be able to chat with you today.   Michael Hingson  1:05:03 Well, my pleasure as well. And for all of you out there listening, please reach out to Nick, please learn more about bird note. And we hope that you'll give us a five star rating wherever you're listening to the podcast. We really appreciate you doing that. I'd love to hear your comments, please feel free to email me at Michaelhi at accessibe.com A C C E S S I B E, or go to our podcast page, Michael hingson.com/podcast. But either way, I would appreciate your five star review would appreciate your comments. And Nick, for you and for everyone listening if you know of anyone else who you think ought to be a guest on unstoppable mindset. We'd love to hear from you about that as well. So thanks for listening. And Nick once more. Thank you very much for being a part of us today and our podcast. Thanks so much.   Michael Hingson  1:05:55 You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. I hope that you'll join us again next week, and in future weeks for upcoming episodes. To subscribe to our podcast and to learn about upcoming episodes, please visit www dot Michael hingson.com slash podcast. Michael Hingson is spelled m i c h a e l h i n g s o n. While you're on the site., please use the form there to recommend people who we ought to interview in upcoming editions of the show. And also, we ask you and urge you to invite your friends to join us in the future. If you know of any one or any organization needing a speaker for an event, please email me at speaker at Michael hingson.com. I appreciate it very much. To learn more about the concept of blinded by fear, please visit www dot Michael hingson.com forward slash blinded by fear and while you're there, feel free to pick up a copy of my free eBook entitled blinded by fear. 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Giving a voice to ikigai researchers, authors and Japanese, Motoki Tonn and Nick Kemp discuss the virtual ikigai summit they will be hosting in February 2023.Ikigai has become one of Japan's most misunderstood words and culturally appropriated concepts. It's not a word from Okinawa. It's not the Japanese secret to longevity. It's not a Venn diagram showing you how to find your bliss or become a successful entrepreneur. And it's not the pursuit of a single life purpose. The Ikigai Summit will bring together the knowledge of researchers, authors and speakers to offer various perspectives of ikigai while remaining respectful to Japanese culture and ikigai's origins. 

In this podcast, I got to interview one of my favorite people. When I'm down or feeling cynical, I look to Alex Absalom for an uplift—sometimes, just reminding myself of his joyous spirit gifts gets me out of the doldrums. Having planted churches and rescued others in Britain and the United States, Alex leads a ministry called Dandelion Resources. Mixing practical tools with spiritual realities, he and his wife, Hannah, teach churches to enter into the supernatural side of our mission more freely. The thought behind Dandelion Resources comes from dandelions being so fragile, beginning with a tiny seed floating in the air while becoming extremely pervasive. The gospel and all its spiritual strength still come to us as tiny seeds moved by the breath of the Spirit. In the podcast, Alex describes ministry with a Venn diagram or three overlapping circles. The circles are disciplemaking, staying focused on mission and being naturally supernatural. The problem that people like me (and perhaps you) face is that we are often strong on mission and disciplemaking but somewhat lacking in the natural supernatural. In this post-Christian era, prayer and the supernatural side of ministry can plant those fragile seeds in even difficult soil. For more connection with Alex or to invite him and/or Hannah to teach, you can reach him via dandelionresourcing.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Matthew Venn of the Zero To Asic course returns to The Amp Hour to talk about what has been happening in the world of Open Source Silicon, both the tools that make things go and the projects that people are creating.

FOR ACCESS to CHARTs described in this episode, click here - https://bahnsen.co/3DnVULR I wrote a piece for the Dividend Cafe in May last year about the subject of housing and having re-read it this morning, I wouldn't change a word. But those more evergreen principles don't take away the appetite many have for the current state of affairs. Economic conversation right now largely centers around recession questions, and discussions about financial markets are understandably focused on the stock market. Yet right in the Venn diagram of both the economy and the market is the state of housing, and almost every person I know lives somewhere. So this topic is perhaps more relevant in a practical sense than many of the others that garner our attention. I sometimes avoid this topic because that relevance is so misunderstood and misapplied (i.e. “if I could just know what would happen to house prices in the next few months, I would know if I should buy or rent” – or worse – “if I just knew what would happen to house prices in the next few months I could resume my foolproof home-flipping plans”). But as you shall see in today's Dividend Cafe, our interest in the topic of housing is for a different application altogether. Let's jump into housing yet again, in the Dividend Cafe … Links mentioned in this episode: TheDCToday.com DividendCafe.com TheBahnsenGroup.com

Actress, singer, comedian, Twitter star and all round good egg Sooz Kempner is Margaret's guest this week, with crushes that manage to encompass Top Cat and Bruce Forsyth.  I'd like to see that Venn diagram. Note to keen listeners - the science this week is... inaccurate, due to Margaret not counting the Vs correctly in this weeks Maths. For those of a more precise nature (as fans of Sooz's big Crush might be), the correct score is 84%, and not, as stated in the show, a measly 17%.  Congratulations Sooz! Admin Klaxon We've started a Substack for the show, as a way of sharing fun bits, and a place to build a leaderboard showing which guest is scientifically most compatible with their Crush.  For posterity.  You can find it here: crushedbymcs.substack.com  We're planning some live shows later in the year - if that sounds like the sort of thing you'd like, come and follow us on Substack as we'll announce them there first.  More info will follow soon.  It's free to sign up - do come and say hi!  See you in two weeks!  Team Crushed xx

In this podcast, I got to interview one of my favorite people. When I'm down or feeling cynical, I look to Alex Absalom for an uplift—sometimes, just reminding myself of his joyous spirit gifts gets me out of the doldrums. Having planted churches and rescued others in Britain and the United States, Alex leads a ministry called Dandelion Resources. Mixing practical tools with spiritual realities, he and his wife, Hannah, teach churches to enter into the supernatural side of our mission more freely. The thought behind Dandelion Resources comes from dandelions being so fragile, beginning with a tiny seed floating in the air while becoming extremely pervasive. The gospel and all its spiritual strength still come to us as tiny seeds moved by the breath of the Spirit. In the podcast, Alex describes ministry with a Venn diagram or three overlapping circles. The circles are disciplemaking, staying focused on mission and being naturally supernatural. The problem that people like me (and perhaps you) face is that we are often strong on mission and disciplemaking but somewhat lacking in the natural supernatural. In this post-Christian era, prayer and the supernatural side of ministry can plant those fragile seeds in even difficult soil. For more connection with Alex or to invite him and/or Hannah to teach, you can reach him via dandelionresourcing.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Christina Wallace is a human Venn diagram with a career at the intersection of business, technology and the arts. An author, podcaster, serial entrepreneur, and erstwhile theater producer, Christina spent a decade building businesses in New York City. She is currently a Senior Lecturer at Harvard Business School, an active startup mentor, angel investor, and author of the upcoming book "The Portfolio Life." Christina holds undergraduate degrees in mathematics and theater studies from Emory University and an MBA from Harvard. In her free time she likes to sing in choirs, climb mountains, and run marathons (slowly). She lives in Cambridge with her husband and their two energetic children.http://www.christinawallace.comNext Steps Share your thoughts with a review - https://www.thedealscout.com/reviews/ Let's connect on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuabrucewilson/ Subscribe and Watch on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBQN_Y3nhDGClfMxCSBDjOg

Erik tries out the new(ish) D'Addario Venn G2 synthetic reed and compares it against the first generation. Get in touch at lttcapshow@gmail.com or eriksteighner.com

Vice President Kamala Harris spoke at a climate crisis talk in Ann Arbor, Michigan and professed her love for Venn diagrams and electric school buses again. An update on the outage at the FAA that grounded a lot of flights earlier this week. More on the classified documents found at Pres. Biden's house in Delaware. Young boys are obsessed with an LSU gynamist. **The John and Ken Show can be heard live on KFI-AM640 from 1p-4p PST, or you can podcast the show anywhere you listen to podcasts at any time you want!**

The media spin on Biden's classified documents begins. Lisa Marie Presley is dead at the age of 54. KJP gets testy at yesterday's press briefing. Kamala Harris loves Venn diagrams. Pete Buttigieg continues to fail as Secretary of Transportation. Andy McCarthy gives us his legal expertise on the Special Counsel into Biden's classified documents.Please visit our great sponsors:Black Rifle Coffee Companyhttps://blackriflecoffee.com/danaShop for all the coffee lovers on your holiday list with over 90 new products!Patriot Mobile https://PatriotMobile.com/DanaFree Activation with promo code DANA. Patriotmobile.com/dana or call 972-PATRIOT.

Dana reflects on the life of the Presley family, as well as her trip to Graceland. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris loves Venn diagrams a little too much...Please visit our great sponsors:Black Rifle Coffee Companyhttps://blackriflecoffee.com/danaShop for all the coffee lovers on your holiday list with over 90 new products!Patriot Mobile https://PatriotMobile.com/DanaFree Activation with promo code DANA. Patriotmobile.com/dana or call 972-PATRIOT.

Our vice president is quite the whiz at hemispheres and Venn diagrams. What's next: multiplication tables? Continental drift?

In this Partnering Leadership conversation, Mahan Tavakoli speaks with Tom Taulli, author of multiple books, including Artificial Intelligence Basics: A Non-Technical Introduction, which serves as the focus of this conversation.  Tom Taulli has been developing software since the 1980s. In college, he started his first company, which focused on developing e-learning systems. He also created other companies, including Hypermart.net, which was sold to InfoSpace in 1996. Along the way, Tom has written columns for online publications such as BusinessWeek.com, TechWeb.com, and Bloomberg.com. He also writes posts on Artificial Intelligence for Forbes.com and is the advisor to various companies in the space. In this conversation, Tom Taulli shares some of the key factors in AI and why understanding the role of AI in organizations will be critical for leaders.  Tom Taulli shares examples of uses of AI, including the role that ChatGPT can play for organizations and in transforming other aspects of life, including education.  Tom Taulli talks about some of the current use cases for AI in organizations and how leaders can start testing to familiarize themselves with the potential of AI for their teams and organizations.  Finally, Tom Taulli shares how nontechnical leaders can stay on top of emerging trends and ensure they are leading their teams and organizations with an understanding of their application in various parts of their business.  Some highlights- Tom Taulli on how he became emersed in technology and why he is now focused even more on artificial intelligence.- The impact of AI on our approach to education- Tom Taulli on the Venn diagram of AI, Machine Learning, and Deep Learning- The different applications of AI - The potential impact of AI on human emotions- The opportunities and dangers of big data - Data's contribution to AI bias - The benefits and risks of AI in business- How organizations can use Chat GPT - The evolution of conversational AI and where we are headed- The Impact of OpenAI's Chat GPT-3 on the Future of AI- How AI will impact cyber security and what leaders need to consider- The potential impact of AI on industries as varied as healthcare, construction, and agriculture- How AI could impact the future of employment and the future of workConnect with Tom TaulliTom Taulli Website Tom Taulli on Twitter Tom Taulli on LinkedIn Artificial Intelligence Basics: A Non-Technical Introduction on Amazon Connect with Mahan Tavakoli: Mahan Tavakoli Website Mahan Tavakoli on LinkedIn Partnering Leadership Website

Theme: NFT Draft Season - Platforms compete for Projects Tis the season to be poachings, Polygon won this without having the highest bidPolygon Paid y00ts NFT Collection $3 Million to Leave Solana - Decrypt  Did initial headlines/narratives mislead people to thinking Polygon was chosen organically?https://magiceden.io/marketplace/y00ts?activeTab=stats Reasons to leave Solana? Who else might be targeted? What happens to these assets - are they bridged?   Warning this is a scam: https://opensea.io/collection/the-rugradio-origin-reveal-pass  NFT News China state-backed NFT trading platform to launch on Jan. 1  Fanatic sells 60% stake in Candy Digital amid ‘imploding NFT market'  The Block: Early Facebook investor and Proof CEO Kevin Rose signs with Hollywood's UTA: Exclusive  Logan Paul's CryptoZoo NFT Game Accused Of Being A Scam: What Happened?  Manchester United accused of copying work of NFT artist DesLucrece  ApeFest Severs Ties with NFT NYC       Rough summary [00:00:00] audio1487909992: Today on all about affordable NFTs, we're talking about the NFT draft season when platforms compete for projects, so we'll get to that in a little bit, talking. Talking about how Polygon made some moves in, uh, the 2023 draft season, which I didn't know was a thing. Anyway, Andrew, how's it going? How's the break? [00:01:05] What's new in your wallet? Happy, happy New Year, George. Good to Happy New Year. Good to talk NFTs again. I feel like, man, it's, it's been been a little bit longer than usual since we talked, and man, I am, I'm lost in the nft. It's taking, it's, it's taken me, you know, I've been up all night trying to just study to what's been going on to get ready for this podcast. [00:01:24] Well, I have to hand it to you. You officially accomplished something that we thought was just out of the realm of what we would do, which is an outsider interview. You brought in a couple experts, so if you've been listening, go. Past two episodes. Past two episodes, we had some great guests on. Uh, and really from that data perspective, uh, I liked how they were looking at the actual data profiles of, you know, hos versus flippers and how you could actually like see some of those things from, uh, from their different dune dashboards. [00:01:58] So thanks for doing. Yeah. Finally got the, those, those first interviews on. You know, if you have been listening, you may have noticed that, uh, that we talked intro wasn't quite accurate until now. Now we can say that we've had guests on, so we're good. Yeah. To, to a year. Let's not, let's not raise it. Uh, all right. [00:02:18] So what's going on? What's, what you've been active in, in your N F T trading? Any, anything going on in your wallet? What's up, George? Well, I'll say I did some end of year aggressive, so the biggest thing in my wallet really was end of year aggressive harvesting. Just like good, taking a hard look at the things that frankly just didn't perform. [00:02:36] I pruned them and. It looks like I accidentally pruned a little too hard. I left one, uh, floating out there. Rug radio, which we'll we'll talk about today. There, there's a rug radio re reveal pass, so, uh, looks like I accidentally sold that for 0.1 below the floor. So, uh, it's been exactly 10 days before making a mistake in N F T trading this year. [00:03:00] I think that's a new record for me. 10 days is, yeah. Yeah. I mean, pretty good. It hasn't doubled yet. I Exactly. I can't listen into this. Hey, if it was one of you, if it was one of you who bought it, you know, because you know how things go when George sells. It must be going up. Um, oh God, please, please again, if you want hot tips. [00:03:19] Uh, it's like the, uh, I'm like the, the, the Jim Kramer of this stuff where it's like, if I'm doing the thing, just go the opposite direction and you're in a good. The reverse portfolio , the reverse reverse portfolio. Um, yeah, so there's your, there's your hot tip for 2023. So far, uh, anything you said you were pretty quiet. [00:03:39] This is, this might be the longest stretch of inactivity for you. I saw you were, you were throwing some bids around on picking up market psychology a while back. I actually just threw a bit out there. I like where that project is right now as a. Uh, by Colby, anything you're Ben Flo still floating? I had been putting some bids out there. [00:03:57] I haven't done that in a bit. Uh, last, let's see, I was looking, I checked my activity to, to confirm what I had been doing. So I was pretty, pretty inactive over the holidays and um, I had picked up some tabs, uh, the N F T from Alien Queen, um, I think, yeah, that had actually, I believe that got up. Point four or something at one point. [00:04:18] I think it's down at 0.2. I had a free mint opportunity, so it wasn't a real big, real big decision for me to vent that one. Um, but that, that is from the artist Alien Queen. So that's one that is in my wallet. That was the last thing that I had picked up. Um, but yeah, otherwise been, been relatively quiet. I did, I noticed, um, you know, beginning some offers again on my, uh, friendship bracelets. [00:04:39] Uh, still have a couple of those. Um, those were the, uh, the projects we've talked about from our blocks. Along with from Snow Row and Alexis Andre, I believe is more the artist behind it, but they find, I think today as we are talking, is the final day to mint those. So what I've heard is that they, I think they're up over 36,000 total friendship bracelets. [00:05:02] Uh, if you remember, there were. for every piece, every wallet that held a, an art block piece as, as of the, the, uh, snapshot date, which was taken, I believe in early November, um, could admit two of these. So there are now over 18,000 wallets that have minted these, um, you know, saw a surge in the last few days as people realized that the, the deadline was approaching, I think that floor price did come down. [00:05:27] Although I'm still seeing a lot of activity in those, I'm. Hey, I'm surprised by how well those have held held up. It's shocked. A big, yeah, that's a big mint, uh, number and you know, there is. At least they're gonna stop being minted now. So, um, you know, I think there are, uh, you know, there's good case for, to be made. [00:05:47] They will, uh, become more collected at this point now that, uh, you know, that they're, you know, more of the, the final rarities. Um, I, I think there are some that are the snow fro, uh, pallet that are up over four, eighth or so. So if you do have any of those, you may, you know, take a look before before you do. [00:06:07] Because some of those pallets are quite rare. Um, but, you know, interesting collection. Nice to see that it is finally done. Um, because I think it's, it's nice to know the final number. Um, well maybe not quite yet, but close to it. . Yeah. Yeah. And I imagine there might be some, some price, uh, volatility on that. [00:06:24] So waiting carefully, especially with 33,000, uh, of them. I don't know if any future promised access or utility on those right. Feeling that could be over 40 by the time this is done. Yeah, those deadlines tend to push people. No, there's nothing there. I mean, there's the utility, I guess, is you get instructions of how to make a real, I mean, a real friendship bracelet. [00:06:48] But I don't know that you need an N F T for that. You know, I, I think you need a kindergarten class and some yarn. . Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Sorry. Second grade. Second grade. Uh, alright. What do we, oh, go ahead. Well, before you go to the news, I, I'm kind of interested cuz it seems like there's, um, as we kick off the year when I like look at macro data on like Crypto Slam and others, that overall sales volume in sales dollars is up, but transactions down, buyers down and it seems to be like just whales moving around right now. [00:07:28] So it's kind of like a, a tale of tale of two, uh, two numbers here, you know, in terms of participation, not as much, and a real thinning of the herd so far. Hard to say, you know, 10 days in, uh, we were joking before this pod got started that, uh, we're gonna hold off on our predictions until the, uh, the end of 2023, which will then back date. [00:07:47] No, I'm kidding. We're, we might do some predictions in February when we know, um, a, a bit more just to cheat because we did so well last. Yeah. Right. If you listen to that one, you'll realize that how far off we were. So, um, you know, don't come to us for, uh, for predictions on the future. For sure. Yeah. We'll just wait, we'll wait it out. [00:08:09] Uh, but I'm kind of curious, like, so moving into this year, what, what is your, your wall planned? Kind of like stick and hold on this thing. Like, you're not doing too many transactions right now. I can see, I. Probably just sort of paying attention to your existing access wallets, drops, things like that. . Yeah. [00:08:29] That's, that's been, I mean, yes, I should be paying attention more to those things. , I've been, you know, I have too bad the last couple weeks. You know, it as, as, I mean, as you know, you're, when it takes a lot to stay on top of all of these different projects and man, it is nice to kind of, uh, forget about it for a bit. [00:08:48] And yeah, I think, you know, I. . I mean, I think I've, I've shifted some of my, uh, I don't know, sort of my collector mindset a bit and, and trying to think of things that I, trying to really collect things that I, I'm more okay holding for a long term and not being , not really jumping at a lot of new projects. [00:09:07] I mean, that, that's, I feel like how I've. Have shifted anyway before this. Um, you know, I think I'll continue that this next year. Um, you know, we've, it's, yeah, don't wanna, I'm not gonna say what's gonna happen, but I, you know, I, I do see that we, we've seen that, we've seen some, some of the. Stronger use cases of NFTs that some of the things that have stuck around art has definitely persisted as one of the stronger use cases. [00:09:32] Digital art has found a, you know, a real home in NFTs. Um, you know, I think that's probably going to persist. You know, we, I, I, I don't know that, that something like gaming is coming this year. I think that we, you know, as you know, we, I dunno, I see that we still have a lot of people around and at the same time, you know, there's not the same excitement, there's not the same, um, you know, let's go try everything, uh, kind of mentality. [00:09:55] From the crypto or N f T market as a, as a whole. So I kind of think that that's, that those, those sort of far off things that gaming and stuff may not, uh, may not really see much light this year. No. Again, if you can somehow survive and, and make it back to the, the next bull bull cycle, I think, uh, it'll come with the, again, general crypto markets. [00:10:20] I think, you know, in some ways NFTs are lever, but you. It's, um, it's winter, it's wintertime, so I, I agree with that. I'm kind of doing similar things looking. Artists that I know will continue to produce and actually like look in terms of a flight to value, we're starting to see it like the values coming back in Max Pain and Friends, which was previously the lowest value wax comedy, right? [00:10:47] It is. You, we are almost dangerously back to break even on, on that mint price. Ferocious is, uh, just strong in terms of like his canvas and the paint pieces that are, are seemingly increasing. . Um, other things that, you know, we mentioned, uh, Pinder Van Armen in the past, um, in his pods. Like those are up. So we are seeing some life in some of these older quality pieces. [00:11:14] So that's given me hope while on the other side of it, like my whole like obsession with like the Nike dunks was. Poorly timed. I'd say overall, like they just, you know, oh are floating around at like point 0.25. What's the common story, George? That's, you know, whatever num number down number, not zero, cuz they're not gonna give up on it, but people are not happy with that. [00:11:36] So, you know, a mixed bag. But, um, I'm setting a, a sort of play budget and, and focusing, I think similarly. On that as I was talking, I had to pick up that floor market psychology. It was too far below the, uh, . I cleaned up that floor. I cleaned it up. Is that I couldn't turn it down. Is it 1 25? Oh man. I mean, it's below the original Mitch, and it's below original Mint was, there's breaking news. [00:12:05] Uh, it is now a new. There you go. . There you go. Clean. Clean that up. Um, so you know, if we just go by those metrics, you're up. Yeah. Sure. That All righty. All right, let's roll into news. Let's roll into news. Yeah. What, what do we have in here? Get some headlines here. Oh, man. We've got, it has been a bit since we've talked, so we've got a, well, I don't know, we've got a lot on, we've got a lot of these here. [00:12:32] I don't know how big a lot of these are. Um, so one that we've got is the China who, let's see, the country's previously. Band, NFT and, and crypto, uh, NFTs and crypto. And now they are, or they have launched a an N F T trading platform. I haven't actually heard much about it. This is one that I had kind of bookmarked, uh, you know, back before the new year launched on January 1st. [00:12:56] I haven't heard much about what's going on there. , um, a little hard for me to understand how they're gonna have a lot of activity on this N F T marketplace while they've been cracking down on it heavily within the country. So, can't imagine there's a lot of users ready to, to go for it, but that's, it's quite the turnaround. [00:13:11] And, uh, I don't know. I mean, I guess maybe they see what, uh, You know what the potential is. Um, , I don't know. What do you think here? Uh, I think this summarizes it pretty safely for me. The marketplace is built on WBA chain. Uh, it is a heritage protection chain that is owned and operated by art exhibition China. [00:13:32] So I wouldn't call it crypto or blockchain so much as. It's something that is masquerading at it. I get the sense that, uh, transactions can be probably reverted and aren't quite as That's, that's true. Yeah. It's probably not all sales are not necessarily final type of way to, to maybe put an app out there in the world that you, you know, get maybe a lot of usage and learn a lot about people [00:13:57] Um, if, if it does pick up any kind of traction Yeah. Look, um, , it's interesting to see if they can take the, the firewall approach to blockchain tech and, and what happens. Uh, a lot of people in China, so we'll see. All right. Now we've got fanatic. This is the, let's see, this is a, a , let's see, a fan goods company that they do own, they own a 60% or, or steak in candy Digital. [00:14:27] That's been big with the, uh, M L B. Some of the MLB attempts at NFTs. Um, as we've talked about, NLB has, major League Baseball, has tried a few different ones. They are selling their steak and candy Digital sounds like they, uh, maybe are just through with, uh, the, the NFT market. You know, as we've seen, they haven't been all that successful and I, um, uh, frankly, I'm a little surprised that they were able to find a buyer right now. [00:14:54] So, you know, maybe not such a bad idea. I don't know. They said fanatics was founded in 2011, become a well-known name in sports and e-commerce valued at 31 billion, which is sizable, but I don't see the, the price that they. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to know what they, I mean, they're probably, for them it's a, probably a , um, good loss, uh, that they can write off against. [00:15:17] Yeah, there you go. I was doing some of that, just a smaller scale at a pony level. Yeah, right. Um, but you know, it doesn't say a lot of what they, uh, What they think about the future here. And you know, like as you said, they haven't , major League baseball has not figured out NFTs to any extent, and I I don't think that's where it's gonna happen. [00:15:37] Yeah. So they have a quote in your, we believe digital products will have more value in utility when connected to physical collectibles to create best experience for collectors. As a reminder, this is the group fanatics that acquired tops trading cards for, for half a bill. Uh, so you can see them still. [00:15:54] Sadly fumbling through the, the Major League Baseball's entry into NFTs in a railway. [00:16:00] All right. We've got another headline here from the, yeah, about proof. Uh, C e o Kevin Rose, the, the Man Behind the Moon Birds project as well. Um, they have signed a, a deal with Hollywood, U t A, uh, so I was a little surprised by. I was a little surprised by this one. It just, it, it seems like what some of these, uh, kind of caricature type of NFTs have done. [00:16:27] Um, but you know, they are big and they are, they are able to get deals. So, you know, maybe shouldn't be surprised by, by the route they're taking here. Yeah. Moon birds have kind of come down floor price 8.5 as of, uh, recording this, like, there was like a little bit of bump, I think. with that announcement there. [00:16:46] Um, it got almost back up to 10. It was down at seven. So, you know, you, you have these like news runs, but a re a regression back to the previous, which that's what we classically saw with like, hey, sell the news moments that we'd be like, you know, win, update, win, update, all the, always in discord. And, uh, the underlying value isn't there. [00:17:06] Community isn't holding, like, I, I, it's like sort of, you know, bumps along the bottom. I mean, nothing. Shake a stick out. You're still at eight AbbVie. It's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But you know, it is, it's a long ways from where it was at 30 plus [00:17:21] all we've got another. Another scam cuz you know, it's NFTs. Uh, this one's involving Logan Paul . Uh, I don't know. This is no shocker here that he's involved in a scam, at least not to me. But this one is, I don't know. This was a game called Crypto Zoo that they've sold millions of, millions of dollars worth of NFTs. [00:17:41] The, there is no game to be played. Uh, this was, let's, uh, let's see. The scam was investigated by, let's say, KA. Cilla, uh, is the, the YouTuber's name. Um, Logan Paul then was threatening him with a lawsuit and then also inviting him on his podcast. Um, you know, it sounds like he's now blaming the developers that he hired, which, you know, for some reason he thinks isn't his responsibility. [00:18:10] I'm not sure. But you know what wouldn't be another podcast, uh, another podcast episode without talking about Apod. NFT scam, right? Yeah, I think there's the sort of hype and promise of we're going to build the next great game, which is a lot easier to say than do, and I, I think it's, yeah, I think it's tough. [00:18:30] I don't know enough details here, but the, you know, the, the details that I did were questionable. Yeah, I can look. Probably shouldn't just believe, I mean, we're way past what somebody would jump into it, something like that. But you know, maybe we shouldn't have just believed that he was gonna build the next or the killer N F T game. [00:18:52] But, you know, we all thought that everything was gonna just work out as, as the founder said at the time. Right. ? Yeah. This is a pretty impressive fall. [00:19:03] All right. We've got a, an NFT project from Manchester United, the soccer team in, uh, in England. Uh, they have been accused of, Of ripping off the artist. I, I don't actually know how to say the, the name. Des Des Lare, and it's d e s l u c r e c e. It'll be in our, uh, notes of course, but , it is, man, the, the resemblance is quite striking. [00:19:31] They are super similar, pretty obvious that they were, uh, influenced here and. Not a great look for ferment. And United Believe has already had some, uh, some quite a bit of backlash to the idea that they were doing NFTs from their fans, uh, to begin with. Oh, that's, yeah, that's, that's brutal. I mean, it's this sort of black, red skull with white, and they're, yeah, they're pretty darn close. [00:19:58] Uh, looks like they went with the Tezos, um, Tezos platform for Manchester United, which is interest. Yeah, so there's that all you have that . Uh, alright. And then, uh, let's see. Last text, last headline I've got here. I cut out quite a few of the , the not so interesting ones, but I thought this was somewhat interesting. [00:20:19] N F T N Y C coming up this year in April. They, they seem to change that every year to really just throw people off. Um, ape Fest will not be holding their own event at the same time. Um, you know, in the past they have held it at the same, same week as the event, not as an official part of the event. So this headline here that I'm already reading is, you know, somewhat off base. [00:20:41] They're severing ties. I'm not sure that there was an official tie, but I do think that we've, we're seeing a lot of people kind of maybe move beyond N F T N yc, which. I don't know, I think is somewhat struggling for what is the actual event and what are people coming there for versus are people coming versus just the outside events that that happen to be in New York. [00:21:02] Yeah. It seems like they just weren't ready to do it early enough based on the, you know, tweets that I'm reading here, saying that like they wanted to do it later in the year and export new locations. That could, that could mean many different things, but you know, maybe this is not the time they want to start celebrating. [00:21:19] Maybe they wanna wait a, I don't know, for a couple lawsuits to shake out or news pieces, , hey, that could be, you know, get solved. Right. Well that could be a real long time then. Later, later date. Yeah. I mean, we could get into all the lawsuit stuff. The, it's, it's hard to keep track of what's going on with you getting their lawsuits though, [00:21:38] Yeah, I feel like that's an episode all its own, but also one. I, I'm just not that interested in ultimately, although it is a dominant four still, if you're looking at the top 10, you know, crypto projects right now, like the fact that three of them are essentially, uh, yuga is, you know, quite, quite impressive. [00:22:00] Four. Yeah. Crypto punks. Yeah. Five. Geez, bored. Eight Yacht Club. Mutate Yacht Club are one and two. Uh, bored. Eight. Kennel club number five, crypto punks. Seven. Other deed nine, like wow. Okay. Other deed. I was gonna say, there's no way mee bits are on the top. 10 . Oh, poor mee bits. Ooh, no, you gotta, you gotta go down the ways. [00:22:25] I haven't checked the floor price of me bits in a while. I'm kind of curious now. Here we go. Rabbit hole. I would guess 0.5. Oh, I'm gonna get higher than that. 3.85. Oh gosh. I was way off. How was I so wrong? 3.85. Oops. That's, that's impressive. Yeah. Huh. Good for them. . Yeah, right. Glad I sold mine at two and a half. [00:22:54] Whatever. Add it to the list. It was when was more, and I'm sure you immediately got that us. That's true. I immediately pull, I did something very safe with it. I definitely didn't throw it away on dog coin. Dog coin ponies. I actually threw away. Yeah. There's offers on these, huh? Market Market is stronger than I would've guessed. [00:23:19] All right. There you go. That's what I get for making fun of it. All right. The T draft season platforms compete for projects this. Interesting cuz at first I thought in my mind the narrative was around with regard to Utes, uh, leaving Solana and Degos I think as well, right? Ts and Degos leaving Solana for Polygon. I was like, you know, sort of dancing on the sort of Solana sex train, which it does. [00:23:47] Um, to be clear. Uh, but I thought it was of their own position to move, but it was not what actually hap why did they do this? Got paid. Ah, 3 million. Okay. . So I see 3 million relocation fee, I guess right from, uh, leave Solana head to Polygon. And I think we're maybe seeing how Polygon, uh, polygons, business dev works and why they're so successful. [00:24:15] Um, yeah. Right. So what does this mean? Incentives? ? Yeah. Use that foundation money. Like, oh, you get a grant . Okay, great. Uh, you know, with regard to what this means, I think it's interesting because if projects are suddenly, and labs are suddenly able to create a breakaway sensation, or some sort of momentum on, we'll call it a, a tier two or a less than chain. [00:24:49] They may be able to run this play going forward saying like, Hey, uh, why not go to the highest bidder? And I don't think, according to some reports that Polygon was the highest bidder. I think Avalanche was also. Looking for their business with a bid and um, maybe another, but uh, the move to, I heard that's interesting. [00:25:11] Um, yeah, but I think they weren't the only weapon Polygon, the only bidder, polygon does seem to have more. Um, maybe more legitimacy among, uh, among the crypto or N f T crowd? I would say, I mean, for, for N F T networks, I, I think Polygon is taken pretty seriously by most, um, most Ethereum N F T holders, uh, you know, since it is just that layer two and gets the cheap fees and yeah, with that money, it, uh, It's, it'd be hard to pass that up when you've got the, the issues that, that that plague Solana. [00:25:48] Yeah. Look, if your platform's going down every month and your coin is being sort of shielded and manipulated by the second coming Bernie Madoff, like there's a lot of tough headlines there, right? Um, and it's maybe unfair, uh, some look, it's maybe unfair to say that a Solana simply. , a scam artist used that platform to sort of like burnish their reputation and sort of buy into it and try to manipulate the price that that's not their fault really. [00:26:17] But the truth is that there isn't, there's some guilt by association assumed in some of these, uh, headline articles and titles. So I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to sort of survive beyond that. You. D D labs based in Los Angeles. They've had just with Utes, I think a total volume of 2.7 million if I'm reading the analytics properly, which, you know, like, look, volume on platform, volume on platform actually will return value. [00:26:45] So if people continue to, uh, trade these, maybe you can answer this question for me if, you know, like, is it like what is involved? Are they going to. Create some sort of burn transfer mechanism because you can't just yank this off of people's wallets and move it over. Can you, you can't just be like, ta-da, you're on polygon. [00:27:08] Like you can't, I mean, that elegantly, right, right. I mean, they definitely can. You don't even know. It's not the same address when you're using, when you're going from Solana. It's a polygon. Now, if you're going from Polygon to era, from Ethereum to Polygon or, or optimism or any of these Ethereum based networks, you'd have the same address. [00:27:28] But with this, it's a new, it's a new wallet address. There's no way to just simply airdrop it. It's got to be some sort of claim. Um, I imagine. You'll, you know, have to claim it and then bridge over to the new network. Um, that is interesting though, you imagine, um, that not everyone's going to do that, you know, , it's, uh, you know, people pay a lot of attention and there are also people, I'm not saying that, you know, that, um, you should necessarily. [00:27:56] What do we say to buy and hold for something? You know, is it really expecting that people are paying attention all the time to, to these things? And you know, I'm sure there will be opportunities, but you know, it'll be interesting to see how many actually make it over. Um, there's been talk in the past about projects like, like crypto punks and, you know, obviously old project people really didn't know the value of these things, um, at the time and. [00:28:17] you know, how many of those are, are, are, are missing completely. You know, in something like this you'll be able to see a little bit better. But even with these youth projects, I mean, it came out a while ago and there were a lot of people getting into Solana because. Somewhat because they felt like they missed out on Ethereum. [00:28:30] So I think you'll have a lot of people that maybe didn't , um, keep track of their wallets very well, or, or wallet security. And, uh, I imagine that not all of those will, um, make their way over to Polygon if it does require actually actual action on the, the holder part, which I can't imagine it would work any other way. [00:28:49] I have a weird question for you and I have no way to. If I were to create a Venn challenge accepted , if I were to create a Venn diagram of Solana wallet holders and Ethereum holders, right? Like people that had one and not the other, like, what do you think? Do you think like one has more of the other, or do you think that there are like Republicans and Democrats? [00:29:16] It's like, well, I'll never vote across the aisle. I'm also. or do you think like if you're a DJ you just are popping around with different wallets in different places? I mean, to be honest, it's probably a pretty big crossover. I, I think we, we know that the ecosystem just isn't, it's almost just not big enough to, to support all of these different, unique. [00:29:38] Ecosystems on their own. I mean, I think there's, there's probably a, a good amount of p fp Ethereum collectors that, that I think are more likely to be on Solana. I think our box collectors maybe are more likely to be on Tezos. Um, that would be my , that's what I would guess. I don't know how you'd, how you'd go about trying to. [00:30:04] Trying to really get numbers on those since they are, you know, you can't really tie two separate wallets right to the other, you know? Yeah. Until bridging becomes a different thing, you could probably begin to do that. But yeah, it's, um, it's certainly a little messy, uh, But it'll be an interesting project. [00:30:23] Look, I'm interested in, in that once it moves to the Ethereum network a lot more, uh, because frankly, the base currency, the, the base currency has always been one of our. Jesus is then denominated in, uh, we and Eateth, which is Yeah, which would be down less than so long. don't lose, here's the thing, you'll lose money at a slower rate, and that's what I'm here. [00:30:48] That's, that's what this is about. That's losing money longer, less over longer periods of time. It's science. , this is a good time to disclose that this is not financial advice. None of this should be taken. It is interesting. So what do you think, um, uh, guess the Ute floor in eth, I just calculated it. What do you think the Ute floor in, uh, let's see. [00:31:15] I. I don't know, the u I don't know Ute at all. I think. Well, with D gods I think is the more expensive collection. Is that, that sounds right to me. Correct. Um, I don't know. I guess I'll say two E. Wow. You were shockingly close. 1.7. Um, that's impressive. All right. Nice. That is, that is press impress cause we've brought it up. [00:31:36] We'll go with the floor. Uh oh, gosh. Yeah. So I'll give you, I'll give you a chance at, and you can play at home right now. I'll guess that price. I always like to guess that price. All right. So I have, uh, the D gods, like, what do you think the eth price is on that floor? Okay. How about, um, about six. Wow. Well, no tricking you today. [00:31:58] Uh, 6.69. I did not make that up. Oh, sulfur five 50. Oh, how could I not put that in there? I, if you had spiked it, I would've been, you would've . So I wanted to mention something. This, I don't, don't know what's going on with this, but this bons. Collection, have you heard of this? B O N K Z. I'm sure if you've been paying attention you, you may have heard about this one, but it is a collection on Solana that's getting all sorts of attention. [00:32:22] Now. I see that they've got over one point. Is this crypto cryptos? Is that it? I possibly, let's see, um, no 1.6 million in sales. Oh man, they're flying right now. Um, but yeah, so there's, you know, there are still, this looks like it's a pretty reveal. Um, Collection right now. So, you know, there's still activity over there. [00:32:47] That's a new salon collection that just launched. And, uh, you know, it's, you watch one leave and, you know, maybe it's in a way. Maybe it's making an opportunity for somebody else to step in. You know, I, I'm not a big salon fan. Mm-hmm. , and I don't think that it's, I don't think it's heading, you know, maybe it heads to zero eventually. [00:33:05] I don't think that we're there at this point. I think there's still. Uh, there's, there's still people there that wanna make something of it, and I think you'll at least see some , some fight, uh, from those that are are working on the chain. The fundamental truth is that the, uh, The inflationary element of Solana is exceeding the rate of transaction value generated. [00:33:29] Uh, it just, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't math out for the holders that are gonna get vested, uh, vesting schedules that show up where they can then dump their so salon on the public market. And then on top of that, it's like inflating, uh, at the same time. And so you also see that like when Disney, when. [00:33:51] Nike when Starbucks, when these folks are choosing platforms to build on, like into the future. Um, I don't see Solana's name coming up very often. [00:34:00] No, I don't either. And you know, I think that is, I don't, I think that's a big reason of why Polygon went for something like this was Ben in the discussions for sort of the business infrastructure, you know, business infrastructure, NFTs, and, you know, that is one thing, but it doesn't get, doesn't really get consumers looking at, you know, working on the network, bridging assets over and on it. [00:34:23] And I think this is a, it's a different, Different way to go about it gets different attention, gets people actually on that chain and, and active. Yeah, I, you know, go ahead. I was surprised not to see more activity on, uh, on Utes in terms of, I was just like looking at the analytics and I didn't see a big price bump. [00:34:41] It doesn't seem to have really moved it that much. And here, here's what I know, it's like per our last conversation of Yuga taking up the top five of the 10, , there's just an inevitability that you can't stay on the top forever. It just doesn't work that way, you know? Is this shift a signal that they're able to, you know, potentially build that? [00:35:12] Is this D-lab? I don't know very much about them at all, but heck, if you're thriving in a bear market like this, is this something to look at? , you gotta see how the, the transition goes. Oh, you mean as far as like a project to follow? Um, yeah, like, yeah. I don't, I mean, that's a good question. You know, is this, is this, you know, is this the, uh, the, by the news or, or by the news point where it's up high and, you know, I see that there's a decent amount of volume. [00:35:41] Um, yeah. You know, does it become a, I mean, what is, what's the biggest NFT collection on poly? [00:35:49] I can probably figure it out. Um, just a note. You know, there's just not, I don't think there's like one collection that you associate it with it, whereas, you know, before I, I, I think that you could have said like Degos and, and Used were definitely the biggest projects on Solana and you know, you know, we know that we know the big ones on Ethereum and I think this is. [00:36:10] You know, it's, it's a bit of just having a name of a big collection. And maybe it does, you know, I, I'm not betting against it. I'm not, certainly not jumping into this . No. Especially, I also wanna, I wanna backtrack a little bit. Like when you look at Utes, like the actual art of it, it is a pathetic board. A knockoff. [00:36:32] Yeah. I think is my, is my hot take on it. . Um, they're just, it's fuzzier and less. Right. I mean, it was something that we, it's not good. When we looked at the Solana Network a while ago that the, I don't know, it feels a little stuck in, in the, the, the p fp era of, you know, just make any animal, make 10,000 of any animal and, and it can be successful if you have a Discorded Promise merch and whatever. [00:37:00] Um, and it's. , you know, I don't know. It's, it's, I don't know enough about it to, to talk about the other aspects of it, but, you know, based on face value, I'm, I'm with you. Yeah. So, , I think in general. What else might be targeted? It, it's interesting to think that other projects on, on other platforms might be shopping around to the folks that still have money, which are, you know, apparently like the kind of avalanches and, uh, avalanche polygons and arbitrary on my bed probably would've, you know, been in the mix. [00:37:33] Mm-hmm. , uh, saying like, how do we get and entice, uh, developers to move into it? Uh, but it's interesting. . Yeah, it definitely is. I mean, it's not, I didn't really thought about that aspect and I was definitely under the same, um, impression as you at first that it was more or organic choice versus a, you know, poaching by, by Polygon. [00:37:54] Um, I'm sure that there are others looking at this if they hadn't been thinking about it before and now thinking, Ooh, that that's a pretty good method. Hey, that we, we still have, we still have money and a lot of others don't, so maybe we should use that in a different way. Yeah, pulling projects that are well teams that are building projects, they're still out there. [00:38:15] Yeah. I mean, I see more from Solana even because that network's been so hurt and you know, there has been a lot of talk about the, the number of, of, you know, developers that are on the network. So Yeah, I I could see it there, I could see it from other networks. I think there's, I think we'll see some other alt chains, um, face problems or already facing problems. [00:38:35] There's, there's a lot that you don't hear anything about, and. You know, at least we're hearing something about Solana. There's some that you just aren't hearing anything about. So I think you'll start seeing some attrition from those as well. And yeah, there, there may be some, some, some bidding words going on among some of these other chains. [00:38:53] Well, I'm still rooting for our moon Cats . Oh boy. Oh boy. We called the bottom when they went. When they went away. Pond. Pond. Where will rise again? It'll happen. Moon Cats won't go below that threshold of, uh, 0.3 though. It's really funny, man. What will happen to the Moon Cats you think? Uh, you, you still think Kevin Rose might, might pick 'em up? [00:39:18] I just, I think they're just an awesome, uh, I think they're an awesome long-term like Relic. Um, I've, I've been, I've fallen for the Relic i