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For All Abilities – The Podcast Episode Thirty One - Lisa Woodruff - Organizing and ADHD Part Part   In this episode, I continue my interview with Lisa Woodruff of Organize365. On the podcast, Lisa talks about her early years with dyslexia and her incredible career helping people get organized. We discuss her books on organizing and ADHD   https://www.amazon.com/ADHD-Affects-Home-Organization-Understanding/dp/B07212S4Z9/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3JDUKPKJ99DER&dchild=1&keywords=lisa+woodruff+books&qid=1598842017&sprefix=Lisa+wood%2Caps%2C173&sr=8-2 and her new book on mastery paper organization https://www.amazon.com/Paper-Solution-What-Shred-Taking-ebook/dp/B081M7P9C5/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3JDUKPKJ99DER&dchild=1&keywords=lisa+woodruff+books&qid=1598842017&sprefix=Lisa+wood%2Caps%2C173&sr=8-1 We also talk about the impact that her home organization program had made on my home and life! To connect with Lisa and to find out all about her incredible home organization program and products go to https://organize365.com.    Go to our website www.forallabilities.com for information on our software that enables employers to support their employees with ADHD, Dyslexia, Learning Differences and Autism. Thanks for listening!  Betsy     Thanks for listening to For All Abilities today!    Share the podcast with your friends, they’ll thank you for it!   Get our newsletter and stay up to date! The newsletter link is on our website www.forallabilities.com   Follow me   Twitter: @betsyfurler   Instagram: @forallabilities   Facebook: @forallabilites   LinkedIn: @BetsyFurler   Website: www.forallabilities.com   Full Transcription from Otter.ai       Betsy Furler  0:05   Welcome to for all abilities, the podcast. This is your host, Betsy Furler. The aim of this podcast is to highlight the amazing things people with ADHD, dyslexia, learning differences and autism are doing to improve our world.   episodes, because I knew we could talk a lot and she has so many wonderful stories and things for us all to learn. So Lisa, why don't you introduce yourself to my audience again?    Lisa Woodruff  1:14   Sure. I'm Lisa Woodruff. I am the founder and creator of organized 365 out of Cincinnati, Ohio. We help women get their home and paper organized in one year with functional systems that work. I have authored a couple of books, one being how ADHD affects home organization. And my next book will be out August 4, called the paper solution.   Betsy Furler  1:35   Awesome. So we left off last time after you told my favorite story about your kitchen counters and how not being able to put your groceries on your kitchen counters ultimately led to the organization and 365 business organized 365 sorry, and business and so I wanted to start off this episode. talking a little bit about how you think the COVID stay at home safe at home and order mandate. You know, suggestion if you're in Texas   Lisa Woodruff  2:14   Anyway, let's say you're in.   Betsy Furler  2:16   Yes. And how that has affected people with especially people with ADHD but all different types of neuro diversity as far as home organization, whatever you want to talk about about it.   Lisa Woodruff  2:29   Yeah, you know, it's so interesting. I, when we first got the stay at home order, I'm in the state of Ohio. So we were one of the very first states to shut down. Our governor was very proactive, and we were very positive about that in the beginning, but as Americans, you know, like our independence over time, we weren't as excited about it. I initially thought Yay, everybody's getting sent home. Yay. This is my super bowl like put me in coach. Everybody can get organized and I totally did not anticipate how mentally exhausted It would be for us to lose all of our habits, our structures, our routines, and to be constantly mentally trying to reorient our selves to what the new normal is. I mean, like, of all the words that we have in 2020, like new normal, he thought that was going to be for the stay at home order, and then you thought that was going to be for working from home, and then you thought it was going to be for racism, and then you thought it was going to be for politics. And it just seems like we're getting whiplash. Every other week. There's a new normal every single week. And as we've opened up, all these different ways of looking at everything that we took for granted or had routines and habits in place for almost all of our routines and habits are gone, almost all of them are gone. And if you don't realize that your life is a series of the habits that you have created over time, and if you didn't purposely create them, then they just happened like too much social media time or whatever too much Netflix time or if you purposely created them, even if you purposely created them with a morning routine and affirmations and going to the gym, a lot of those even positive routines that you had in place just got thrown out the window and taken away in the blink of an eye while you're trying to make sure you still have income coming in, and you'd have enough toilet paper and oh my gosh, now I can't grocery shop where I used to grocery shop. And my cousin was telling me, she's down in Cincinnati in the city. And when she would go to the store, they were only allowed to get to milk items. Like you could get milk and cheese but then you couldn't also get butter. So I was like, Are you serious? Like that didn't happen 20 miles north where I am in Cincinnati. And so it was just constant survival like we got thrown back to we need to have the basics. We need food, we need toilet paper, we need money we need we need rent and some of us are still in those basic areas. And I just want everyone to take a deep breath and recognize that this has not stopped like the amount of change that has come to your brain has not stopped And I have been more exhausted in the last three or four months than ever. Greg and I go to bed so early, and we sleep in and we take naps. And still we are just mentally exhausted. And I know that when you sleep, I don't know who said this. But I know it's true when you sleep. Your brain makes order of the day, like literally your little cells like detox inside of your brain when you're sleeping. And the file folders of all the paper of information, your brain gets put in little file folders in your brain tries to organize what you've done during the day. And there's so much change and so little routine that your brains are just exhausted trying to figure out how to get money, get food. We don't have this. We always said, Oh, if I got sent home for an extended period of time, there are all these projects I would want to work on. I would say just a small percentage of us or even to that point yet.   Betsy Furler  5:52   Yeah, it's been really interesting. I know I've been I found it very interesting on how I have I handled this it's been hard really, really hard. Being home with everybody in the family 100% Sure. And I like I said earlier I kind of are on the other episode. I have a tendency when I'm under stress either to get super disorganized, or like ridiculously over organized. And when this first happened, I did too. I did one of my crazy things when I get super stressed as I get, I start inventory things and I don't inventory at any other time. But I enjoyed all of our food. Like, member because remember back in March, when Ohio shut down, I was like, Oh, no, Texas is shutting down. I'm better get I better get it together. Remember, back then we didn't know we knew there was a toilet paper shortage already. We didn't know what the rights was going to be like, where are we even going to go the grocery store where they're going to close the grocery stores now. Right and I inventories I have this inventory I mean it's like seven pages of everything and what shelf it's on So, like Eric will say, you know, I don't think we have Italian dressing I'm like yes we do. It's on the second shelf from the top and the pantry.   Lisa Woodruff  7:15   I did the same thing I went to the grocery store and everyone should know I don't cook like as soon as you listen to one episode of my podcast, you'll know that I don't cook. So I went to the store I bought beans and rice, like literally black beans and bags of rice. And not that I would even know how to cook this. And I said to myself, well this seems like a beans and rice moment I was ever gonna have beans or rice. This is when I would have it. Just so you know. My favorite restaurant called verse fast food never shut down. So I continue to drive there and get my onion rings. They were masks it was fine. And we continue to get takeout or Greg cooked and then the other ridiculous thing that I do every time something like this happens I did it when my dad died. I did it in 2008. As I like to think that I'm going to grow a vegetable garden, like I don't even cook but I think I'm going to grow a vegetable garden. This time instead of just starting a vegetable garden outside because it's March in Ohio, I bought one of those awesome hydroponic tower gardens like that you see at Epcot for $1,000. I made four salads I had $250 salads because like after I had like four salads I'm like I'm done with this and the whole thing died and whatever. But yeah, we just we go to this survival instinct, but yet we're not survivalists. So we do it in a weird way.   Betsy Furler  8:30   What when, when Henry had his autoimmune encephalitis and it was really really severe. Um, and my audience on is Henry's been been medically fragile his whole life but the autoimmune encephalitis was like a whole new thing and very, like awful. And you know what I did? I inventoried all my clothes. I took photos of all of them. I remember that every I don't plan it planning. It's so it's just oh my goodness. I just want   Lisa Woodruff  8:59   Can you can Troy What are you in control?   Unknown Speaker  9:01   Oh, yeah.   Betsy Furler  9:05   Yeah, so what are you in control of So, um, so I do think though, that having a system like organized 365 has helped me through this pandemic too, because I have had moments where I've decluttered and I've lost 20 pounds.   Lisa Woodruff  9:22   I don't think I told you that I'm saying you look fabulous, Betsy. Congratulations.   Betsy Furler  9:27   Thank you. So I've, I've had to spend I've gained it. No, just kidding. I have spent so much time outside because it's in the house. It's like where do you go? Well, it's safe to walk around outside. So anyway, I am so now I've gone through all my clothes again, because you know, none of them fit me anymore, which is a really fun problem to have. But I also started realizing that my structure like you were saying all our structures have changed so much. So my structure the whole way. I structured my De was totally blown up. And we all have a tendency to do is you know, then I end up wasting a lot of time because I'm not in my regular routine. And the other thing that I found that was very hard for me and I actually, I've never been diagnosed with ADHD or any of us. But I realized when I was stuck at a computer all day, every day and in one room and in my house instead of moving around the world, like I did before, I had a lot of trouble paying attention and attention. My attention was poor. And I started again, how do we get so antsy just sitting I ended up buying a standing desk also and that helps a little but, you know, really had to take breaks to like actually do physical exercise. And I also walk every day at lunch as well because I just like I feel that pent up energy that I never even recognized before. Me too. Yeah, it's, it's amazing how you know, just that change in structure can can just throw you for a loop.   Unknown Speaker  11:16   Go ahead.   Lisa Woodruff  11:16   Yeah, I used to be able to like, I'm one of those weird people because I do not have ADHD. I've been tested ever. It's like yesterday, I'm like, No, I don't I actually, I can literally sit at index from 8am to 8pm. And just get up for bathroom breaks and coffee and, you know, lunch, I can do that. And I can sustain my attention. During that time. I have worked over the last eight years to expand my focus. It used to be only until 11 and then 12, and then one and now I could do a full 12 hours. As soon as the pandemic hit, I was exhausted by 11am I couldn't make it past 11 so I was like, okay, and each week I just tried to get you know, another half hour and now I could do a full day again, but it took me all this time for months to get back to where my energy level was the way it used to be, my focus was the way it used to be. And still, it's not all the way there. I mean, I'm still going to bed at eight or nine o'clock at night. And we used to go to bed at 10 and 11 all the time. So our brains really have been affected. Like, this is such a huge change on so many levels that we just don't have the focus and the energy and the attention that we had before.   Betsy Furler  12:24   Well, and I know now I get by 430 in the afternoon, I'm like done, like I and and I've never stopped working that early before. And you know, today I have a couple of calls. I have a call at five have a call at six I have a call at 730 and it's like, oh,   Unknown Speaker  12:43   my nap   Betsy Furler  12:44   challenge. Yeah. And because I you know, but it's not always a bad thing to because I think getting off the hamster wheel has really made me realize what I really want to be doing with my life and working till six every day in it.   Lisa Woodruff  13:01   Yeah, but have you found what you want to replace it with that that's kind of my thing. It's almost like we all went off coffee simultaneously. So our productivity would like I didn't stop drinking coffee, but you know what I mean, like that extra jolt of productivity or packing more in. And then a lot of things got taken off of our list, like commuting or taking kids places like, but I don't. I'm not doing as much as I used to, but I'm more exhausted than I used to be. Although I haven't found like, Okay, and now I have time to take a college class or read a book or, like I haven't found that I filled in that time with anything that was always on my to do list. I'm just kind of in the messy middle. I think.   Betsy Furler  13:40   I've been walking and that's what that's how I started running. And because I've walked so I mean, I'm walking like nine miles a day. And yeah, it's extreme. This is why so much weight. And I started I actually started running not because I necessarily wanted to run, but I started thinking, you know, I really like getting this much movement in. And when life goes back to whatever normal it is, again, I'm not gonna have enough time, like am I gonna have time to walk nine miles a really long time. So, so I was like, I need to pick up the pace. And so that meant learning to run. And so I started running and the other thing that we've been doing is we so you know, as you know, and I don't know if my listeners know this yet, but I am not a cook either. And one thing we've been doing is we totally aren't we source our food totally differently now. So we buy our meat from restaurants because here in Texas restaurants are allowed to sell uncooked food now. So we make all our meat from restaurants and then we get a farm box every week and produce and then we look at the produce and then I google because I'm really good at like figuring out recipe like what recipes we should make. I just I'm not good at the actual Making of the food but I can coordinate the effort. So I you know, Google, you know, spaghetti squash and chicken or whatever or yesterday it was eggplant and butternut squash what can we make with that? And I come up with recipes print them out for because he wants them printed and he has not paperless and yeah, he makes them but the so that has taken more time but then kind of like in the long run it's like you know, we used to go out to eat all the time. Yeah. And going out actually took so much more time than looking everything from scratch every meal from scratch, but we have like really shifted our time in that way. And then the other thing which is I don't know if it's good, bad or indifferent, but we just watch a movie every night together. Yeah to weave in. We never did that before. My husband does have ADHD and it doesn't really like movies like he really has never been interested in watching movies except for like, maybe once every couple of like, like a couple of times a month, we might do like a family movie night. But now every nights fam every night family dinner every night family movie night.   Unknown Speaker  16:16   And so that's been fun.   Lisa Woodruff  16:19   Yeah, Greg and I have always called our date night like from eight to 10. Like, we'll watch TV shows or movies or whatever. And that's something we have kept consistent. What I love about what you're sharing is for those of us who still have jobs, our work has not changed. And for those that don't have jobs, I mean, you're in the process of a job search or you're figuring out if you're going to take off some time or whatever. So the work bucket has stayed consistent through all of this the worry about it, the doing of it, the the taking care of the work, but the play in the social buckets got emptied out and aren't necessarily getting filled up. And so that's kind of what I've been talking through with my organize 365 it And since we focus on the home, is that, you know, school school still happened. It just happened at home. And it was messy for sure. for teachers, for parents, for students, for everyone. It was very discombobulated and hard, but school still happened. But kids social got taken away and kids play other than Xbox kind of gotten taken away. And so as we go through this global pandemic, which doesn't appear to be ending anytime soon, and we focus so much on our work, whether that's work or school, or volunteering, or however you spent the majority of your weekday, what you were doing, how do we replace our social and our play at home, in a positive way, and, and, and with that, like I like puzzles, some people like reading, your play, whatever it is you like to do for play. It's not just that I want time to do puzzles. We like novelty in our play. So you don't want to read the same book every single night. You want to have a variety of books, if you like puzzles, you like a variety of puzzles, you don't want to do the same puzzle over and over again. If you like cooking you, great a plant and squash so that's challenging. So I can, you know, have some creative outlet and my cooking and how do we focus on our social and our play while we are safe at home?   Betsy Furler  18:16   Right? Yeah. And I and also our, you know, I was thinking the other day about my kind of my circle of people that I interact with. And my circle was huge before. It's still huge on a on a virtual basis, right. But the people that I saw in person every week was a really big, wide spread, very diverse group of people from different parts of my life and everything. And now my circle of people that I see in person is very, very small. And we have a neighbor, family that's a neighbor who we have quarantine with the whole time. So we have them and they have two little boys and then I have one of my college friends who's quarantined with her husband that I see periodically in person, the six feet apart, but you know, I have been to her in her home and stuff. And then my husband has one friend who I also have seen so I mean, it's like, gone from, you know, hundreds of people to like, I counted it up and I think total even with, you know, when you look at Okay, well, what about the people that they see on a regular basis? It was like 30 people   Lisa Woodruff  19:34   which is good for Coronavirus. Good have You bet. You have a lot of words. You have a lot of words for those poor 12 people.   Betsy Furler  19:45   And they have a lot of words too. And one of the things that I've done is I've started talking on the phone and I say I'm talking on the phone like it's 1985 and yeah, I even called you.   Lisa Woodruff  19:55   Yeah, no, I think I think if you think about the the summers of the 80s or the 50s if you're older, like think about what you used to do in the summer in the 80s or whenever you were a teenager and your parents wouldn't take you anywhere that's that's Coronavirus, summer for you that's Coronavirus living and yet using your phone as a phone not as a computer   Betsy Furler  20:18   that we bought a hammock and a Stan for our backyard. And we live in Houston Texas, so it's super super hot and humid but I'm like I don't care gotta be outside. So I lay out that are laying out this summer for the first time. You know, in the last 30 years layout talk on the phone with my girlfriends. I talked to somebody for two and a half hours on the phone yesterday.   Lisa Woodruff  20:41   When am I good? Isn't it great though, isn't it just fun to connect with people again?   Betsy Furler  20:46   It's been so much fun and I you know I've done a lot of zoom meetings but I'm pretty zoom fatigued where I really just am happier talking to people on the phone and just, you know, I miss my long cord whereas dragging her all over the house. And, but you know, it's it otherwise that's been that's been really great for me. And I would say that is I my two things are walking and talking on the phone.   Unknown Speaker  21:14   That's my outlet.   Unknown Speaker  21:16   Yeah. Do you think you'll keep those things going forward?   Betsy Furler  21:19   I think that, um, because I've kind of combined the walking with the phone talking. So one of my friends and she frequently virtually walks with me in the morning. And I talked to her on the phone as I'm walking. And then another friend virtually walks with me in the evening. And so I think I hopefully, hopefully we will keep that I definitely have connected us to do this.   Lisa Woodruff  21:44   Now I'm remembering this is like four years ago when I had a treadmill and tried to use it once you remember that. And so we would voxer back and forth and we would walk on our treadmills and I didn't do it for very many days. I wasn't a good partner.   Betsy Furler  21:57   You warned me ahead of time that you're a terrible account. Ability size. So   Lisa Woodruff  22:02   I Yeah, actually cooking exercise. I'm not your expert, that's for sure.   Betsy Furler  22:07   Yeah. So but yeah, that's, I mean, that's been it's been wonderful and I really do I you know, also, I set up calls with my pledge sisters from my sorority. And then also a multigenerational call for my sorority and my sorority is only local and are very small college. And those that has been great I have made, I'll have to say even though my physical sphere of people is so small now, I have made a lot of friends virtually, or and in and deepened friendships, virtually, with people that I've known forever. And I've also networked a lot. And I've discovered that from a business standpoint, networking has in some ways been a lot easier, because you can actually get people on the phone that you never get on the phone before. But you know what I miss is being in hotels and traveling   Lisa Woodruff  23:04   yeah I miss the traveling as well kept the book tour got cancelled?   Unknown Speaker  23:10   No   Lisa Woodruff  23:13   I threw myself a three hour pity party and then I moved on.   Unknown Speaker  23:16   Yes, yes.   Lisa Woodruff  23:18   But yeah I do love travel I you know, I've spent my whole life being a stay at home mom working from home mom and creating this business to to the point where I'm able to travel and meet people and do conferences and then the world closed. So that's a bummer.   Betsy Furler  23:33   And I do believe that conferences on zoom are nowhere near the same as conferences in person. Because I go to conferences to meet people and talk to them. I don't go to conference to listen.   Lisa Woodruff  23:48   Totally, but I just did mine this weekend. And we were gonna have like 80 people come to our conference in the summer. And when we moved it to virtual I think we had like five people cancel and then we have We maxed out at 150. We sold out before our sellout date. But how I did it was I did it on zoom, of course, because like, what else are you going to do? But I did my talks, but then we broke people out into groups of 10 in zoom rooms by where they live. And then we had a certified organizer in every single group, at least one certified organizer, and every single group. So you literally sat at a table, you're in a breakout room with people from your city or within, you know, 100 miles of where you live. So I did the talks, and then you went to your table and people loved it. And then I sent a whole box of surprises. So you know, every hour or so you were opening up something that went along with a touch that also reached a love language and it was a really, really fun experience. So I would have rather have had it in person. But there were a lot of people who said they wouldn't have never been able to come in person because they're a full time caretaker for their parents or for their child to a special needs are this one. their child just started having seizures the week before the conference and none of them would have been able to come if I had had it in person.   Betsy Furler  25:02   True. And of course, she figured out a super creative way to make it. Make it. So there was that networking piece? Yes, I don't write them all off.   Lisa Woodruff  25:10   But I think conference. No, I mean, we are going to have to be creative about delivering the experience in a different way during this pandemic season however long it is. I wanted to have my conference in person because I feel there's so much value in meeting in person and I want to physically give you a hug, and that's what and get a picture and that's what everybody wanted. But once I realized that that was not allowed, then I allowed my brain to think okay, well, if it's not allowed, do we still need an embrace conference? Is there still reason for women who are trying to make their house a home to come together? Yeah, that's still true. Okay. Well, if that's still true, then then how can we deliver that experience? Just like, okay, I cannot travel the United States and do my book tour. Am I still releasing my book on August 4? Yes, do I still have have parties? Yes. Do people still want to get assigned bookplate and be able to celebrate with me from wherever they are? Yes. Okay, well, then how am I going to do that? And so now it's about how do i do we still want to have the experience? Yes. Are we allowed to do it the way we want it to? No. Okay, then how are we going to do it? And I'll come up with a way.   Betsy Furler  26:18   Right, right. And one of the fun things that Eric and I did during the stay at home time is he ordered he has a year ago he went to France with two of his best friends and they on an oyster tour, and so they're all really into oysters, and we all eat oysters a lot. And what he did was he had oysters delivered to them. And so each other couple and then us, they he, you know, had ordered these oysters and had them delivered. And then one of the other guys came up with a wine list and we all had the wine we all had the same wine. And then we got on zoom and we had an oyster happy hour. Have fun with all three couples. So two of us are here in Houston. But we were at our own homes, of course. And then the other couple was in New York City. And so it was, but it was like super, it wasn't like a regular zoom call, which it did give me hope for zoom calls, because it was very conversational. I mean, it was just like, we were all sitting around the table together. So if we interrupted each other when that big of a deal and our kids were walking in and out, and animals walking in and out, just like it would have been if we were in person. Yeah. So I think there is, we have so much technology now that I think there is a way to do this. It's just we all have to think creatively. And sometimes, I'm like, you know, occasionally, not very often because I am like, the biggest optimist on the face of the earth. But occasionally, I'm just like, I don't want to do it that way. I want to hug somebody.   Lisa Woodruff  27:53   Yeah, it's hard. It's really hard to constantly you know, you and I are both both very big outside of the box. thinkers. So for people who are not that way, like they are just like, Are you kidding me? Like, why does everything have to be thought through? So for those of us that love to think this way, we're even tired. Like, it's just hard to think about how to. And as I was thinking about this summer I remember in April, I counseled the people in the 100 day program as a book. You're gonna want to pool get a pool. I know, I know your spouse doesn't want you to kill the grass within aboveground pool, tell them they can grow back next year, get one. And within a week, they did sell out on Amazon and everywhere people like thank you for telling us before they sold out because I was thinking ahead to the summer and you know, having kids at home and how are you going to entertain kids at home and try to work and all that. And just recently, I started thinking about the fall and the holidays and in Ohio, it's going to be snowing and you can't be outside and this is going to get a little harder and I was like oh boy. If you like to think outside of the box and creatively, you're going to get a workout this year as we continue to go through the seasons and get more frustrated at the fact that we don't have as much choice as we thought we did.   Betsy Furler  29:03   Right? And, you know, that's a good point as as the seasons change, especially for you people who have seasons that's going to be a big problem here. Yes.   Lisa Woodruff  29:12   You have variations of hot,   Unknown Speaker  29:14   right? Yeah, it's just hot and then it gets a little Yeah, then it's just warm in the in the fall and winter. Autumn.   Betsy Furler  29:24   But for you were there, you know, it may be snow and you may not be able to play outside all day every day.   Lisa Woodruff  29:31   Yeah, unending snow days are really not as fun as they sound.   Betsy Furler  29:36   I can't even imagine. Yeah, exactly. So being able to get outside is my sanity. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I do think it takes people like us who do think outside the box to really be willing to share what we're thinking about with other people. They may not listen but you know, some some of them will And the ideas are how to go forward without losing your mind.   Lisa Woodruff  30:03   Yeah, I can only I remember when the pandemic first started, I was only able to think one week out, I could not even think about what the summer would be like. And then as it got closer, I was able to see towards the end of summer. You know, I noticed when kids were sent home that the hardest thing about schooling from home was that parents didn't have the time, or the desire to be doing the schooling and they were stressed as well. Teachers had a hard time communicating with students and teachers and they were actually working till midnight, just answering parents emails, students that had multiple teachers, there's just so much miscommunication. And it wasn't until the middle of June that I was talking to organized 365 team because we didn't know what was going to happen in the fall. At the time of this recording. We're just at the last days in June here and it just has come down that you're going to probably have a choice. probably have a choice if you send your kids to school or if you keep them at home and then if it gets bad they'll all end up going home and what I said to the organizers, 365 team was like, Look, there needs to be some organization around school. It doesn't matter if they're homeschooled their schooling from home, they're at school wherever they are. Kids need to take ownership of their assignments and their long range and short term assignments, and they need to put them in a planner that they understand. So we scrambled and we have created a planner, we have a planner for elementary middle schoolers and a different planner for high school and college age kids. And then I'm going to create videos that go with these planners that specifically tell kids how to organize and how schools usually do it is every year your teacher imposes the organization of their specific class on you if you're switching classes or the teacher you know if you're in grade school, young grade school because they start switching classes pretty young. And so every year a student has to learn the organizational traits of the teacher. Our planner is different. Once you learn this planner and how to record your long term and short term assignments. You buy the same planner year after After a year, and then we show you how to set up one two inch binder with five slash pockets in it to organize all your classes in one binder. And this is how I taught my kids. When they went back into public and Catholic schools after being in the learning disability school, they could not keep up with all of the organizational management systems that each individual teacher had. They had one binder, and their teachers assignments went in that book. And there's always one teacher that wants you to have the journal that gets turned in or whatever. But then that's just a one off from a system that you can use year after year after year. And if you have ADHD, if you have learning disabilities, like learning other people's organizational systems year after year, like no joke, it would take Joey eight weeks to figure out the organizational structure that all of his different teachers wanted and to go from class to class and this is in ninth grade. By then he was so far behind in the education part of learning that he never caught up that year.   Betsy Furler  32:55   Hmm. Well, winner it's so when is that coming out? I'm super excited about that. Yeah,   Lisa Woodruff  33:00   so those planners we're going to start selling in the week of July 13. You need to be in our kids program first. So our kids program is $297. If you are not in the 100 day program, if you are in the 100 day program, the kids program is $99. And the kids program is for kids. Well, it's really birth through 25. So it's divided into modules. If you have kids that are under the age of five, I teach you how to organize the nursery, the playroom, the the preschool area, kids start into the program around the age of seven. It's called learn and all kids learn how to organize their bedroom which I call your mini apartment. And then as they hit 16 they go into launch and launch teaches you about how to organize food and money and to move into your own space after your bedroom whether that's an apartment or dorm room or condo, and you could stay in the kids program until you have buy a house or have children so if you never buy a house or have children like you don't even need the 100 day program is everything you need will be inside of the kids program.   Betsy Furler  34:00   That's awesome. Yeah, that is I think going forward I know Sam school so Sam is going into 11th grade Can you believe it? Yeah. So private Catholic high school boys school and they're looking at three options one would be everybody on campus full time. Option two would be they would go to campus two days a week you know they would have kids we go two days and a half would go the other two and then or all online and and online was super rough for him. And he actually really organized kid and it doesn't have learning disabilities as a little bit of a vision issue. But it was so hard for him to get Montt wrap his mind around those assignments, and write in full You know, when you're, when you're when you have the structure. I think it goes back to what you were talking about earlier is we've lost all the structure we had before and the kids are the same way, it's like, they're when they have the structure of, I get up I you know, eat breakfast, I drive to school, I get a class, you know, ABCD eat lunch, do this, I see the teacher face to face that reminds me that I have to do something. When we lose all our structure, we lose all of our external cues as well.   Lisa Woodruff  35:20   It's like, throwing papers at kids versus giving them in files in a filing cabinet. It's like you just keep throwing papers at them. It's just, I mean, I'm supporting if people want to do school, but if it was me and my kids aren't this age anymore, if it was me, I'd be taking a homeschooling year. It's very easy to homeschool every state has their own homeschool rules. Ohio is very liberal in the homeschool rules. There's not a lot of requirements. And I would just be like, Hey, we are living through times that they will be talking about centuries from now. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to have a journal and I want you to research the difference between state and federal law and for those of you in Texas, it's the 49 states, Texas law and federal law says you got to have your own thing. You're the only state that is legally allowed to secede from the union. And why is that? And how did that happen? And where did that come from? And what is the history of racism in America? And how how can the Supreme Court say these things? I mean, we are living through history in so many ways. Like if you want to do math, study the stock market, how in the world can the stock market continue to go up when unemployment is like astronomic levels? Like why does the stock market not match? Kind of there's so many questions to be genuinely explored and learned about that. You could rabbit trail and research for ever and your kids would be so interested in what they're learning like, Look around you. What do you what do you want to learn about viruses? Do you want to learn about growing gardens? What do you want to learn about and just do it home school for you   Betsy Furler  36:54   forget the whole thing. I can't wait to see the statistics of what happens because I think I think exactly the same thing. It's like, if we're going to homeschool, then do it. Right away. We want it homeschooled and organize it in the way we wanted done and have one teacher instead of eight teachers who happens to live in your house with you so you can actually communicate with them on a, you know,   Lisa Woodruff  37:18   hourly pay the worst that can happen. I mean, seriously, what is the worst that can happen? Any college here is going to take your child because they're dying for college students. Like how could taking a gap year be negative at this time? Like I just don't even see how it could possibly be a negative?   Betsy Furler  37:36   It's true. I mean, I think Sam Yeah, he's a he's in a prime spot to get into college and a couple of years, right because of all of that. Well, I we probably should go because now we're going over time with two episodes. So Lisa, tell, please tell my audience how they can get in touch with you again. After So, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Sorry.   Lisa Woodruff  38:00   I have a podcast organized 365 so if you like these kinds of conversations, I just talked to myself over there often but I also interview people over there. So that's organized 365 I unpack big ideas and then I try to give you step by step ways of then implementing those in your house or just taking the next step. And then the book the paper solution will be out everywhere that you buy books, audiobooks, ebooks, it'll be available on August 4.   Betsy Furler  38:26   Awesome, well thank you again for being on for two episodes and and audience please follow Lisa and listen to her podcasts, you've really got to give it a chance because it is really entertaining as well as informative. And also please follow my podcast subscribe rate, review all of those things on whether they're pot whatever podcast platform you listen to for all abilities, the podcast on and if you want to find out more about what I do professionally with consulting and providing workplaces Accommodations through my software, please go to www dot for all abilities calm. Have a great day and I'll talk to you all soon. Thanks, Betsy. Thank you, Lisa. Thanks so much for listening to the for all abilities podcast. This is Betsy Furler, your host and I really appreciate your time listening to the podcast. 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This weeks guest is Shawn Bucher. Chef Shawn has worked in almost every segment of the foodservice industry. He holds business degrees and certificates in Culinary Arts, Business, Hospitality & Tourism Management, Accounting and Professional Sales. He is Certified Executive Chef (CEC) and a Certified Culinary Educator (CCE) through The American Culinary Federation. A Certified Culinary Professional (CCP) through the International Association of Culinary Professionals. A Certified Dietary Manager (CDM) and Certified Food Protection Professional (CFPP) through the Association of Nutrition and Food service Professionals. He is the author of The First Timer’s Cookbook and The First Timer’s Bakebook. and his latest - Food People Management. His work has been awarded and recognized nationwide. He is a regular contributor to numerous food service programs, publications and outlets. He currently hosts the popular Business Chef podcast. Chef Shawn is the Director of Culinary Operations for DM&A, the largest healthcare food service consulting firm in North America and the owner of multiple food related businesses. He lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico with his wife and 3 children.Welcome back to the fuel your legacy podcast. Each week we expose the faulty foundational mindsets of the past and rebuild the newer, stronger foundation essential in creating your meaningful legacy. We've got a lot of work to do. So let's get started. As much as you like this podcast, I'm certain that you're going to love the book that I just released on Amazon if you will, your legacy, the nine pillars to build a meaningful legacy. I wrote this to share with you the experiences that I had while I was identifying my identity, how I began to create my meaningful legacy and how you can create yours. You're going to find this book on Kindle, Amazon and their website Sam Knickerbocker com.Welcome back to the fuel your legacy podcast and we have another fantastic guest on this is one that's a little bit out of the ordinary, definitely the first one of his kind on this show at least. And I'm going to learn so much today My mind is going to be blown super excited. So if you haven't heard of him, go check him out on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, his website, his name is Chef, Shawn boo Shay. And yeah, he has a very accomplished probably has every designation in the food industry that you could have. And you may tell me, I'm wrong, but he's got 12346 or seven of them. So he's got to be up there. More designations in his industry than I have in mind by a few. But super excited to have you here and to educate us on not just the kind of the culture and business side of being a chef and what that's like lifestyle, but also how can we follow our dreams? And regardless of what they are, how can we begin to monetize our dreams. So take it away. Let us know a little bit about you how you found your passion and how you're currently living that today.Well, thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be on. I started in this business almost 25 years ago now I've been around. I started in a lot of different segments of the industry and kind of moved into others. When I was about 1415 years old, I realized that I wanted to create, I wanted to make things I wanted to be able to step back and say, Wow, I did that. And that was all I knew. And so I started kind of going down the art route where I was, I was painting I was sculpting, I was drawing, I was doing all sorts of things there. And then my high school guidance counselor came to me and he said, you know, you've got a real passion for this. You ought to take some classes of the the the Technical College just north of us, and I said, Yeah, maybe and he said, Well, you know, you'll get high school credit, college credit will pay for it. And I thought, yeah, I'll check it out. So I was looking through the course catalog and I saw it drafting an AutoCAD and all these different things, and I saw coronary arts and I was like, Oh, cool. It's an art class. And so I, I kind of stepped into it thinking that I was going to be doing watermelon sculptures and ice carvings. And the reality of it was, was that my first day there, the chef instructor was basically like, all right, food for 200 people in the next 20 minutes. And I was like, oh man, what I get myself into, but it was interesting because you know, timing. Timing plays a lot into our decisions throughout life. And timing played a lot in this decision to stay in this industry and move forward for me. So this was about 9096 or so 9697. Somewhere in there. It was the year of the first NBA lockout. And the reason that that is important to know is that that was kind of what gave me my start in this business. I had been working for a couple of years at a grocery store meat department cleaning up at nine Learning to cut me towin the NBA lockout happened. I was just starting my culinary program. And I was in Salt Lake City, Utah and that was where the Utah Jazz played. And that year of the lockout, they created this shortfall of cooks because the season was supposed to start in October and come January, they wanted to start the season and no one worked there. So it was like the next week okay, the season starts. And so the chef down there called every corner school and program out there and said, if you can breathe, I will hire you. So I showed up my first day my instructor said you had to go check this out and I thought, Oh, man, I don't even know how to get there. So I rode the bus an hour and a half each way to get there and get home. gather my first-day chefs like, Okay, why don't you come over here and mince up this duck. Why don't you and he was giving me these little menial tasks and I can tell But I was this overzealous 1617 year old kid and I thought man, I'm going to show him and so start cutting this duck breath and next thing you know I cut the tip of my finger off a few minutes later I had a knife fall on my foot. I had hot turkey juice spill down my front and back. It was just a disaster. And at the end of my third injury in about the 45-minute timeframe, my boss said, Look, man, just go home, you're not going to survive and I said no chef, I can do it. I can do it and came back the next day and ended up spending the next eight years with him. We traveled around from the arena to then into a hotel, very large hotel property, went from there into multi-unit chains. So I went from large arena field feeding to more of the multi-units in the hotel where we had a fine dining restaurant. We had buffets, we had I had a coffee shop where we were just busy all the time we had room service, we had an employee eating area that we had to provide food for. So it was just an incredible experience. And then I went into multi-unit chains and I learned how to how to manage multi-units and then from multi-units, I went into owning my restaurant, I had my restaurant for a while and then in right before my 30th birthday, I had to have back surgery because of all the years on my feet on concrete floors and the long hours and the fast pace and I had just done a lot of damage to my body. So at the ripe old age of 29, I had to have back surgery and that kind of changed things for me because all the sudden I couldn't work in operations the way that I had before I had to figure out a different way to provide a living and an income for my family and so my my direction was to go into Teaching so I started teaching coronary school and from there that was kind of a natural progression into consulting because as a consultant, you're naturally educating people and, and that's where I'm at today I continue to consult and I consult in a lot of different industries. I help people create restaurants, I work in large institutions with everything from dealing with union negotiations to designing and implementing new foodservice concepts and arenas and kitchens help transition hospitals from traditional train line service to room service so that patients can actually call down and get food that they want whenever they want it, which is a novel concept and awesome in and of itself.In going then along the way there I've written a few books and kind of tried to provide a path for others to follow also so that, you know, people can kind of avoid some of the mistakes that I made, you know this industry is synonymous with a lot of negativity long hours, very difficult, tiring, hot, demanding work, low wages, lot of addiction abuse, and you know, just different things of that nature. And so, because of my passion, my love for this industry, that's something that I want to change. And I've tried to do that through some of my books and programs that I've kind of helped to, to put out there. And most recently, I've, I've launched a podcast a couple of years ago called the business chef podcast because in my consulting career, I've discovered that you either have chefs that know food and are incredibly passionate about it and talented, but they couldn't make money to save their lives or you've got business people that really know how to make a buck, but they're Food just sucks. And so it's one of those things where we're trying to combine the two into a winning sustainable model of making food and making money. And that just happens to be the tagline of the show as well. Sohopefully, that gives you a little bit to work with.Yeah, no, I love it. One of the things that are at the beginning, so it's funny because when I was 14 years old,I had a,I'll say a similar experience, but it was the opposite, right? I had the experience of kind of that the vision of the fact that I was or could become a creator. Right. And that realization that I was meant as an individual and as a human, I was meant to create terrified me, like to the point that I went over to my friend's house and just sat there. And this friend, he was more of like a mentor for me, much older mentor of mine. He was working in his basement and I just sat there for an hour. And I'm like, I just don't want to be a creator. Like just put me somewhere. Let me just live out my life I do not want to create, because I'm scared of failure. And I'm scared of doing something bad or wrong, as the whole idea of creation. And it's interesting because I have a brother who kind of battled he's a phenomenal artist, and he battled with the same thing with his ability to draw. He when he started being good at drawing, he's like, Man I'd have I would hate to be so good and then draw something inappropriate or wrong. And it's that type of thing that learning to be a creator is a fascinating skill. If not even like a calling And it's awesome that at 14 years old that excited you rather than terrified you.Yeah, I mean, it didn't it still feels me today. I, I love to create I love to step back and see it I yeah, just it's an amazing feeling for me. And I think something that I was probably just almost always destined to do.And I agree. I'm curious what about it? Because I know that other people are in the same mentality that I was about 12 years ago, right when I was 14, thinking the same thing. I don't want to be a creator. The idea of it terrifies me. How can all this be my own doing and in life, right? In life, we're creators of our life, and to what about creation for you? And we'll call it art. I think that and I could say My life is a tapestry and I'm weaving that every day I'm creating our I'm painting my life. Every day that I have a dream, I'm going to paint that vision I'm gonna watch it come to pass. And that's my current mentality that the current state that I'm in, but what about it for you? Is so uplifting and exciting the idea of creating just so people can kind of taste the other side of the rainbow where they're like, okay, there maybe is something that I desire afterWell, it's funny because  I think part of mine came from and you know, it's funny because I don't even really remember it very well. But there's a scene in, in pretty woman with Richard Gere and Julia Roberts, where he's talking about how he doesn't want to just take over these companies he wants to, he wants to build he wants to create, he wants to, you know, see something and kind of live up to what his childhood dreams were and For some reason that always stuck with me and I was probably around that time, you know that I was, you know, 1415 years old where I was, I probably seen that movie and I had kind of somehow realized, you know that that was something that I was drawn to. And it's funny because the more I create, the more I'm inspired by it, the more I want to do it, and I think that's something for a lot of people who want to create or want to do something. It is you know, I think some people can be terrified by it and they can run from it. But I think the more you embrace it, and the more you do it, the better you get at it, you know, practice makes perfect kind of thing where I remember writing my first book and turning it over the publisher and just having to absolutely torn to shreds I mean, they, the editors, everybody just did was not a huge fan of all the content. They love the idea The premise but they didn't love how I was getting there. And they didn't see, we didn't see things a lot of the same way. In hindsight, I probably would have done things a little bit differently. But I'm also glad that I didn't because I learned a lot from how that whole process unfolded. Remember being there just being tons of revisions, and it is a very long process to kind of flush things out and get things moving, but at the end, you know, I was happy with it. But, you know, I carried a lot of those lessons into my second book, and then my third where it became much more about fulfilling this need for me this desire to, to create but also to help and that was something that I think I learned really early on was that my desire to help people and my desire to to educate and encourage and really I don't know parlay a roadmap, so to speak. of things that would work from my own experiences was important to me. And so I've, I've always, I've always kind of gravitated towards that where I've said, Man, you know, if I can make something like I just want to make something I want to, I want to stand back and that's that can be a lot of different genres because I love cooking. I love being able to set out a meal. I love being able to sculpt I love being able to draw I love being able to create music, you know, I play the guitar, the bass, the drums, like I've always kind of gravitated towards creating regardless of the medium and so it's just interesting because I think as a creator or it doesn't you might think you know what your medium is, but your medium might not always be what you think it is. You might have to go down a path and expose yourself to certain things to understand what it is because early on mine was music and when I was in my teenage years and later teenage years I was very, very much into that. Whereas, the more I started cooking, the more I started realizing that that was what I gravitated towards. And then as I got into my, my mid to late 20s it then all of a sudden it became this focus more on creating the business around the food. And then, you know, as I've gotten even older into my 30s and mid 30s and later 30s like all the sudden I'm kind of looking at Well, you know, what about these mediums of, of podcasting and TV, you know, and these different things and, you know, it's just interesting to see because as you create, it leads you down the path. And you just never really know what you're going to create or what medium you're going to use to express yourself.Yeah, I am 100% agree. And it's been interesting for me as I've progressed through my mediums of creation as well, and to see that and it's one thing that I found interesting about your story that I think it is It's common in every success story that I've seen it two things. One, the, I'm going to call it either your environment or your epiphany moment, right? We have to have something in our mind that we've seen before. We have to have been exposed to something often to have that enlightenment for you is pretty women. And that was something like, okay, maybe that's that identity of or that idea? What can I do with that idea? The next thing is a mentor. And the mentor is so so crucial for me, my mentor. When I say mentor, the person who helped me, really, how do I say this? He gave me my identity, I guess is the best way to say he helped me identify it at a very young age was my grandfather. And we were driving on a home from the dump, and in his little Ford Ranger pickup and he turned on the radio, put his hand on my knee and said, you know, Sam You have a voice that's pleasant, pleasant to listen to, you could lead people and maybe even be on the radio someday. And that was when I was like five or six. And that was the first kind of experience that I had of somebody believing in me. And fast forward. I remember that I was like, man, I would love to be a motivational speaker or somebody who can speak at that time of six as 20 years ago, the podcast didn't exist. That like, I never thought I would be on the radio. And although I'm not on the radio, podcasting is just another form of radio. It's a more current form of radio. And so it's been interesting to see how a mentor really can help you identify or guide you down a path to achieve or find and locate your identity. So that's huge. I'm curious. Well, yeah, I'm curious when you got into the cooking world, and did you have people People as you're growing up, that were naysayers, people who didn't believe in you and thought, you know, this is a bad way to go. It's not the life that you want. It's not going to be the income that you want and tried to talk you out of becoming a chef.Oh, absolutely. I've been. The funny thing was is that most of those people were in the industry. Most of those people were some of my mentors. Some of the people that I worked with, because mostly because they didn't know anything else. You know, a lot of the early mentors that I had were hotel chefs, they were they that's what they had done their whole lives. And that was what they knew. And some of them had immigrated over from Germany. And that was generational. What you did, you went through an apprenticeship at a hotel you then started a hotel, you moved up through the ranks at a hotel and then you moved on to other hotels, but like, you know, or you started you went out and started your restaurant, but most of the time they just that was what they knew and so a lot of them would ask me we know where do you want to be in five years? Where do you want to be in 10 years? Where do you want to be in your career? And you know, a lot of that very early on I just cut all because I really didn't know but but later on, the more, the more I step back and kind of processed what they were asking me or what they were looking at, or the reasons that they were asking me those things was because they wanted me to kind of move forward either faster than they did and have some of those realizations at a younger age or whatnot. And I was very grateful for that because you know, I had some mentors that said, Look, you know, being in this business is tough for you, sure. You want to do that are you sure you want to work? nights, weekends, holidays, you know, and I didn't like the They didn't want me to and I didn't and that wasn't conducive to life that I wanted. And but you know, I had to find, I had to find a way I had to find a path to do that now, I think cooking has given me a lot in life. But cooking is the easy part. You know, the craft of cooking is only part of the journey and I think when people get started in this business, they think that the better cook you are, the more money you're going to make, the more people are going to hire your whatnot. But cooking is easy to part you, you that's almost the price of admittance into this industry is you have to be able to cook and then once you can cook, you have to be able to make money. And then once you can make money you have to be able to brand yourself and once you can brand yourself you have to know what you know what your vision is for the future and how you want to brand yourself and what direction you want to move because there are so many different segments and ask specs of this industry that you could, you could go a lot of different ways. And so I think I think it's interesting because I think a lot of people that were naysayers to me, ended up through their naysaying opening, opening my eyes to a lot of things and opening the doors to some different thoughts and different ways of doing things. You know, I kind of a tangent, but I think two things are missing in schools. I think the two lifelong skills that you will always use that we don't teach in school are the ability to manage your money and know that what that means. But then also the ability to cook because we all eat and if everyone had a basic level of understanding of cooking, I think we'd be all I'll be in better hands Now with that said You know, that's the price of admittance into this businesses. Once you learn how to Cook. That's just the doorway. And then you have to learn all these other aspects of the business. It's a business at the end of the day. And I think that's where most people get tripped up. And I think that's where a lot of my mentors and people that just didn't know any other way. I think that's where some of their deficiencies were as well.Interesting thing. I mean, there's so much in this that I'm going to kind of do my best to deconstruct here. And then I'm going to give myself a little plug because I don't know how much you know about what I do outside of this podcast. But I actually, like my mission and the mission of my, my firm that I have partnered with is to teach people from all walks of life how money works, primarily middle-income America and take that role because you're exactly right. It's not being taught in public schools and it's hurting. It's time to be time private schools, a lot of times, just not being taught. period, anywhere college, high school grade school it's just not being taught. And so that's a huge area where we're focusing on and creating the ability to not only be taught it but once you are taught it has to have somebody who's a professional with licenses to assist you in making better decisions with your money. After So, that's my little plug I love what I do and I love being able to kind of help that area. But something that that you mentioned is branding yourself and understanding that's a rite of passage in my industry, it's the same way people like you, you get licensed you bear you are able to walk into an industry and now you under have a basic level understanding of financial concepts and you're able to teach somebody that's a must to get into the industry but really if you are walking in thinking you're going to work for somebody else. I don't care if you are working for a corporation w two paid our Or salary for that matter, the less I guess the more that you can start thinking about what you're doing on a daily basis as a personal business, then you, you start thinking about everything different in your life, even if you are going to go work for a corporation. If you think when you get hired, rather than him being hired as an employee, you think hey, I'm that person just employed my skill set. I'm the CEO of my life. And my objective is to add value to my life and continue to sell stock in my company. Now let's say I go work for Walmart. For me to get hired. I had to sell them into wanting to work wanting me to work with them. If you start shifting the table a little bit and start thinking about your brand. That would be awesome no matter what your career field is, that eventually, you have people wanting to head on to companies wanting to have you come work for their company. Because of the personal brand that you build up the personal reputation you've built up in any industry, but I can see how in cooking and being a cook that could even take on even more important because of theI mean, that's just such a high demand for kind of the best in the industry. Oh, absolutely. But I think you make a really good point because I that's something I've always believed is that regardless of the industry or regardless of the background of the person, everybody in this country should own a business whether it's an LLC, or an S corp, or whatever it might be, because there are just so many benefits to that and there's so many different ways of setting it up and things but those are all you know, those are kind of must in my eyes because I've had my own company for a while and I've been able to experience some of those benefits but you know, if you've never experienced that, are you You have no, any kind of perception of what that is. It's really difficult to see. See why? Because of a lot of people when I tell them that they, they kind of look at me like, Well, why? Why would I do that I'm not selling anything, I'm not doing anything. It's like, well, you're missing the point. Like, everything that we do every day. There are bits, business principles behind marketing is, you know, we're marketing ourselves, we're selling ourselves to our employers, to our future employers, whatever it might be, regardless of whether or not we have a, a widget or whatever it might be that we're trying to get on the shelf or we're trying to sell at a farmers market or whatever, whatever it might be. We are always selling ourselves especially in the world of social media now, I mean, with social media, there is such a huge opportunity to brand yourself and create opportunities for yourself that that weren't there in the past. I mean, especially in food, especially in the very competitive worlds, where people are trying to differentiate themselves, now you have this platform where you can do that. And you can be authentic and you can share your message without necessarily having a platform like your show or whatever. But if you want that, then you can create that. That's the great thing about where we're at today.Yeah, I want 100% to agree. And that's, it's just that it's a mindset shift. And it's part of education. It's part of educating people and helping them kind of see why and how and where that would be valuable. And kind of along those same lines, but it's exactly turning whatever they're happy about whatever, they find the most enjoyable about turning that into a business if for nothing else, so they aren't being taxed on their participation in their hobbies. Like if for no other reason.Amen. I agree.Yeah, no, that's so interesting. So If you were to say you had one or right, I know you have multiple but I want you to focus on one specific habit, mindset or behavior that you've used to create and your brand or your legacy.Oh, I mean, without a doubt its persistence and follow-through. I think that's the one thing that I have that I've always been good at is I have always stayed true to my word and said that I'm going to do what I say I'm going to do, and I'm going to follow it through to the end. And that's the one thing I think that really over time, I didn't think that I thought that was so common. I thought everybody did that. Like, just because I can do that doesn't separate me from the pack in any way, shape, or form. Everybody does that. But the more experience I've had and all the different segments of my industry, in all the other industries that I've participated in because you know, building a restaurant or building a food service concept is very all-encompassing your You're essentially manufacturing because you're you're creating a good or a service that you're providing you are having to deal with HR issues on a daily basis with employees because it takes employees to make that whole thing tick. All of your costs or cost of goods are pretty easily identified with your food costs and things. So there's a lot of accounting skills that have to go in plus you're having to market your business, you're having to deal with the real estate end of things and so there's, you know, these are all-encompassing kind of businesses that the just kind of go across different lines into other business industries. And, and so, you know, throughout my experience in all those, I've just realized how flaky people are and how, how fickle we are to where if it's not bright and shiny every day, we don't always follow through on it. And that's a challenge because most of the time when you're grinding it out, it's not bright and shiny, and it's not fun and it's not something that you necessarily gravitate towards or want to do. It's something that you learn how to do when you have to do it. And that's, I think, really what we struggle with nowadays is, is we want things fast, and we want things with very little effort. And society is rewarding us in a lot of ways. I mean, we have robots that make food now we have self-driving cars within the next I think within the next five years, we have you know, a lot of these real time-savers that if you look back 100 years, it's it's a totally different ballgame from the 1920s to what where we are now totally different ballgame. And, and you know, it's going to continue to be such but The basic principles and ideals that made people successful back then showing up on time working hard doing, you know, staying true to your word, those are universal, and those are timeless. And those are things that, you know, people are lacking nowadays, I can't even tell you how many interviews I've tried to conduct even for, like vice president type positions where people just don't even show up. And don't call ahead or don't dress up or don't, you know, look you in the eye when they shake your hand like, just, it amazes me at, at how these, these basic principles and these basic behaviors are being overlooked. So, I would say that the key to being successful in almost anything you do, is just knowing ahead of time that you're going to have to grind it out. You're going to have to get in the trenches, you're going to have to get dirty, it's not going to be fun all the time, but You just gotta keep at it. And the more you do, the more things will come to you.Yeah, I, I love that I'm so glad you highlighted that it hasn't been brought up in a while on this show. But I think that it is one of the best skills to have. It's my wife's biggest pet peeve is when people don't follow through, or what or when they want to just not show up, not give a text not be willing to commit to anything. And I think it's so true that that really can be the separator of whether you are, are somebody who's committed to something or not is are you willing to stick with it even when it's not pretty when it's not fun? And just grind it out because it's worth it in the end. And part of that stress that maybe people are backing away from you could say when it comes to persistence is I think and this is kind of my mission. But I think a lot of that comes down to they aren't financially prepared to grind it out there. They're not in a position financially, where they can just grind it out till they when they have to have something that pays them faster with more immediate return with the high paced world we're in. So I'm curious for you when you started building your legacy when you were going through all these different transitions. And primarily when you built when you transitioned out of the regular chef world and into the coaching and consulting world. Was that financial stress? Did you plan for it? Did you perceive it for many years in advance? So you are set up properly? Was there a little bit of instability in the transition? How did that go for you and how important is it to get set up properly when you make a transition?Well, the short answer is yes to all of those. It was a bear-man there was a lot of late nights there was a lot of early mornings there were a lot of missed soccer games and just different sacrifices that I had to make to really, really make things come through because you know, I couldn't I was not in a position to step away from a full time job in any way shape or form, you know, food services not the most lucrative business a very small margins, not you know, big payoffs potentially, but you've got to have real high volumes to do that. And to have those high volumes. It requires you to be there and so, you know, I, I did, I really struggled, getting things up off the ground, but what I realized was, you know, I was, I was never, I didn't have anything where I can just go raise a bunch of money and then just kind of coast I always had to put food on the table. But then also, to be able to get get my own thing up and going I had it had to be a side gig. So even when I was putting in 1416 hour days, again, back to that persistence, I told myself, you know, even if it was 30 minutes, whatever it was, there was going to be something that forwarded my business there was going to be something that helps progress, that aspect of what I was doing, because I knew that if I did little things every day that eventually they would, they would lead to something bigger and eventually there would be income there to replace what I was currently doing to give me opportunities for the future. And so I think that's what a lot of people aren't willing to do. They're not willing to come home and not watch Netflix, they're not willing to come home and not do things that they want to enjoy. They naturally default to like they people just don't push them. selves as much as maybe they could. But, if we want more, we have to do more. To have more, we have to create more. And that's really where it comes down to is you, you have to, you have to, you have to realize there's always going to be a sacrifice and everything you do, and that that's how it was for me. I mean, for years for four or five years. It wasn't overnight. Same thing with the podcast, when I got the podcast up and gone. I didn't know what I was doing. I had people who were kind of mentoring me and helping me through it and helping me produce it. But at the end of the day, it came down to me if I didn't record audio if I didn't go out and search for guests if I didn't, you know, put in the time to get it up and going it was never going to happen. But I knew that once I hit that tipping point that things would start rolling on their own. But yeah, I mean, we're about 100 episodes into the podcast right now. And I would say it took me 75 or 80 to figure out what I was doing and put together a system to where I was going to consistently have people on and I was going to have quality content and I was going to have it out promptly. You know, we, we promised a weekly show and we have not, not falling on that since you know, and here we are two years into it. So, you know, again, it's just it's one of those things where you've got to be persistent, you've got to be willing to sacrifice and you've got to understand that the payoff is not going to be for years down the road, but to your point. When you do make extra money, you put it away, you don't go buy new cars and new clothes and and things you sacrifice and you you put it away and you put it towards towards things that are going to increase your business and increase your your capabilities to provide and create and and the people that do that they're  they're willing to do these small things every day and which eventually lead to great results.Yeah, And that's that's really what we're chasing is the results. I love you mentioned that you have had to focus every day on something that's going to move your business to the next level. And that's for me it's a kind of a daily habit of just okay, what is one thing that I'm doing that's going to progress my business. And I guess that's how it started. Now I try and split it pretty down the middle. Honestly, I have about half the day I'm working in my business, on the income-producing activities, you could say, and then the other half the day I'm working on my business is business structures and marketing and getting my name more out there. And it's a push and pulls. Every there's a balance and it's always it's an I should say it's a balancing act. There's no real ever fixed balance. But making sure that every day you're moving the needle in the right direction is important. And that I've found that to be true. In my life and specifically with the podcast, I think you're, you're spot on with about the 80 episodes. I'm 150 hundred six, maybe I don't know, I don't know how many I'm in right now. Maybe over 200, but it's a lot. I was I'm doing three podcasts a week or did for the first year and a half. And it's a lot of recording and to have those show up every, like, at the same time, every time. And it takes a lot more foresight than you think you think, Oh, this guy just publishes a podcast whenever he feels like it. So much more goes into.So much more, a man so much more.Yeah. But it's good to have found resources though. And, and the nice thing is when people then ask, okay, well, what did you do to start a podcast? When I first got into it and a lot of my mentors, the people that I was asking that question to They were so far ahead there for five years into podcasting. They had different resources at different demands, they had enough that they were, they had everything outsourced, basically outside of just recording the podcast. And, and they were four or five months in advance, so there was no stress and get preparing. And starting on that foot, it's difficult if you're a brand new podcaster. And to get to that point, and a lot of the systems that they have in place just weren't even applicable to the were the starting point anymore because it's so far and then pass that is that's one of my objectives is to be able to create a course or something where people can know how to actually start a podcast from somebody who's still or who has recently started it rather than somebody who's way far away. Yeah, Ithink I think that'd be a great resource for people because it's, it's a growing medium and it's something that has provided a lot of value to me and And giving me a lot of encouragement help on my journey.Yeah, absolutely. So what are some of the different mediums? Let's say that somebody loves being a chef, but they just, if they could start today, like over the years of experience that you've had, and they're, they like the chef, they like being a cook, per se, but they're wondering how could I make money outside of like working at a restaurant where my hours are sucky? Because that's, I have quite a few friends who are our cooks and that's their main complaint is they love their job. They love what they're doing, but the hours are crushing them. And so well, avenues they could express their art or be a creator in their passion but still produce enough income and time for their family.Well, it's a great question and I think that you know, there's a little bit of a curve there, because your initial You may be doing something to have more time for your family, but initially, you're probably going to have less time for him. And you know, and that's a short term sacrifice. It may be a year, maybe two years, maybe five years, who knows, depending on what you're doing. But you know, for me, how it started for me was I started catering on the side. So when I wasn't working,you know, if I, if I had like a Tuesday, Wednesday night off, I would, I would do, I would cater things. So birthday parties, these women tea groups, these quinceaneras I do, geez, like every three weeks or something, it seemed like it just did a bunch of those. But you know, I found ways to create additional income initially doing what I already knew how to do. And then I realized that I was going to always have to do that if I wanted to maintain the income that I had. I was also was going to have to do that same thing. I didn't want to have to devote all those hours. So I had to figure out a way to systemize what I was doing so that I could generate some passive income and that was were writing books and teaching courses and creating online courses and you know, doing some of these other things came into play. Now, I know a lot of people that are in the same boat where they love their jobs are passionate about it, but they just wish they made more money. They wish they had better hours. But you know, I think one of the steps that you can do is you can look at what is your job if your job is working six days a week in a restaurant, you know, could you go get a different job. You know, a lot of people that I know, especially later on in their careers when benefits and paid time off and some of those things become more important. they gravitate more towards You'll be an eye or like corporate feeding places that are only operating, you know, from eight to five, Monday through Friday with holidays off, like they gravitate more towards that. hospitals and healthcare, they have great benefits, they have much better working hours. Generally, the pay is on par if not better. So you know, you could get one of those jobs, which would then allow you more, more time and more freedom to be able to create some of these things and that's, that's what I generally tell people to gravitate towards. is trying to find find a way to find a position that will give you time, time to create time to think of systems or ideas or different ways of generating income. And then from there since you have that time then you you cut that time up, you know if you are going to double At least 20 hours a week to your family, then you only have 10 devote to devote to a business-like, that's what you do, you know, but again, there's got to be sacrificed like, you know, it's I think it's fine too, to play video games and watch movies, but I don't, I think if you want more, I think you're going to have to do something more constructive. And you're going to have to sacrifice that a little bit. It doesn't mean you cut it out. But I think you have the foresight and the planning to say, you know, we've all got the same amount of time per week. And if if I'm working 40 hours a week and my commutes an additional five or six, and then I want to spend 20 hours, my family, I want to sleep eight hours a night like you just kind of cut your time up and say okay, from nine to 10pm I'm going to do this from you know, and if you're working a non traditional schedule, then it's from noon to 1 pm. I'm going to do this and, and you plan out what you're going to do And then once you're in that window, you just give it your all and you work that one hour for yourself like you would four hours for an employer. And everyone knows what I'm saying about that is that most of the time we don't always give our employers 100% of the of our effort 100% of the time, but when we're doing it for ourselves, we have much more vested interest in doing that because it is for ourselves it is for our family it is the greater good so that's what I would tell people who really want a way to kind of transition or get out is you know, look around you find a position that gives you more time and then once you have more time figure out a way to monetize that whether that's catering on the side or writing books or starting a podcast or doing consulting work as you know, but that all comes into branding to you got to brand yours. If you decide you're going to write a book you have to brand yourself as an author. And if you're gonna if you're going to write creative and you know, authority kind of things, you have to become an authority on it and you have to brand yourself like that and exude that confidence. So, you know, those are all things that I think people need to look at and they might be general, but they can apply to almost anybody in any situation in this industry.Yeah, I think in any industry, they'll apply and that's what I that's why I wanted to ask that question to make sure that people hear that and understand that it is going to come at a sacrifice and also I think time blocking and learning to control your time and let your you be in control of your time rather than your activities or whatever else is happening in life being controlled Your time is crucial. I'm curious because I know you do business coaching or at least coaching inside of the food industry. But my guess is just because I know the business. That it's applicable anywhere in any business. Where would people get ahold of you? How would they get in touch with you? Where do you most Where are you hanging out the most if they wanted to have a conversation?Well, the best way to get ahold of me is probably through the podcast. Business. chef.org is the podcast URL. We're also on social media at making food make money on either Instagram or Facebook and then you can always check me out on LinkedIn. Sh AWS, v u ch er, on the only chef with a whole bunch of letters behind my name with that name anyways, soyeah, but yeah, a lot of letters for sure.Well, you know, it's all a lot of that honestly. Just to be frank with you is I don't put as much stock in that but a lot of my clients and customers do a lot of people see those acronyms and they think man, he's got all this stuff behind his name. He knew what he's talking about. The reality is most of those I paid a fee and took a test and was willing to do that. So not to diminish that. But at the same time, you know, there there's a, there's a perception of value out there and so to brand myself and to become the individual that people want, I had to kind of figure out what they wanted and then work backward from that. And that's what they want. So yeah, business chef.org. I'm also a twitter at chef Shawn be. You can check me out there. But yeah, reach out love to touch base love to chat, love to encourage direction wherever I can.fantastic. Well, we are we're going to hit these last two questions here. Well, this last sec second last section. It's five questions called legacy on rapid-fire. It's kind of a game show version of this podcast I love It's one of my favorite parts. And so as we go through these questions, I may have you clarify some of them, but I'm looking for one word to one sentence answer to these five questions. Fair enough. Got it. I'm ready. I've been Is what is holding you back from reaching the next level of your legacy today?FearFear of what?Fear of failure or fear of success, and I've had both.Awesome. It's good that you know that. So what is the hardest thing you've ever accomplished?Probably becoming a father.Nice. And what is your greatest success at this point in your life then?Well, ironically, probably, well, I would say not just becoming a father, but being able to dedicate time to my family quality time where I'm 100% there.Yeah, I love that. What are maybe two or three books that you'd recommend to feel your legacy audience?Boo. That's a boy. That's a good one.Well, I'm going to stick with some books that have been impacted me a lot in my life. The book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell was just phenomenal life-changing for me. The book Good to Great by Jim Collins incredible insights there. Boy, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki. I mean, I could go on and on. But those are the top three that have changed my mindset and put me on the path that I'm on today.Awesome. I love it. I'd read all three. And they're all three fantastic books, and what links to those in the show notes here, and also links where you can find him. So if you want to just scroll down and click on these, then it will take you straight to it. Otherwise, you can go search for it yourself on the various platforms. This is now my favorite question. This is why I do the whole podcast. The last question here. I'm curious, Have you listened to any of my podcasts to the very endI to the very, very end, I can't say I have,that's okay. This is a surprise that I like we're going to pretend that you're dead. Okay? And we're viewing k your great great great great grandchildren sitting around a table. So this is six generations from now. And we're viewing them sitting around a table talking about your legacy. They're talking about what you accomplish who you were the type person you were. What do you want your great-great, great, great-grandchildren to be saying about you six generations from now?Boy,I would say that I was a man of integrity, and they respected me.I love that integrity is one of my three core values along with candor and gratitude. And I love that that's one of yours. So that's fantastic. Thank you so much for taking the time. I know you're in between cities right now on your way home. And I'm just grateful for you making the time to be on this podcast and share your wonderful insight, knowledge, and credibility, to help people see how they can make a big change in their life. Iknow my absolute pleasure, thanks for the opportunity.Yeah, no problem. And we will catch you guys next time on fuel your legacy.Thanks for joining us. 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