Brandon Handley 0:00 What is going on spiritual dope, I am chilling like literally in the middle of some some field right down the street from us where it was a farm converted into a park scenario. And it's it's crazy. It's not crazy. It's just great like here I am. It's a beautiful big blue sky. Perfect summer well not even summer spring breeze. Look at 5g I've got it's got 5g here, whether or not it's frying my brain, I don't know. But what I do know is that I'm in the middle of a field. grasses, just perfect. Maybe 60 some odd degrees, some as you can hear the birds and you just feel spring happening. And I'm getting ready to hop on with a few my buddies where we are talking about the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. Really good book so far really, really interested in it really great. One of the biggest takeaways for me so far has been a couple of nice takeaways so far. But the one of the biggest ones is the Bardo, which is this state of transition Bardot's or the states of transition where enlightenment can happen or awakening can happen. Have to go back and double check the specifics on that. Either way, one of those twos always always a cool thing. Except for so far, I think in the middle of it, especially the awakenings session or awakening, if you don't know what's going on, there's a little bit of being freaked out going on. And in that kind of mess the magic is happening right? You don't know when the middle of all that mess that the magic is happening. You just like this is a fucking mess. Bring that up. It's kind of interesting, a couple of couple of things. One thing is talking to another friend of mine, and just brought up the kind of idea of what's going on in your life. And he brought up the, I think, you know, the idea of turning into a butterfly. And there's a chrysalis state and of course we all know that the caterpillar precedes it all jotted down is like nobody really ever goes back and interviews the caterpillar. Right? Nobody goes back and, and checks the scene to say, it's almost like, I don't even know what you call it. Right? It's like that. You know what? I know that I'm done with this forum. I knows I'm done with this state of being and I'm ready for my transition. Like where is that fucking trigger? Like who does that? Where's that decision made? I'm done. I'm done being a caterpillar. You really can't first of all, maybe you could maybe be like, Hey, where are you going caterpillar on my way to you know morph. I'm on my way to destroy everything I've ever known ever been. So that I may become this this other things fluttery, fucking black guy. And I think about that because there's a guy another guy back in, when I first kind of got started in the space of just, you know, self development, and whatnot. You brought it up because nobody really wants to hear you going through your shit. Right? Nobody really wants to hear about you going through your shit. They just want to know how do you fix it? Because if you're still in this shit, people are just like, I'm in my shit to your and your shit. I'm in my shit. We're all in the sick. We're in the shit together. Right? I mean, you hear people say that. Hey, we're in this shit together. Nobody ever says you know you never hear somebody you know talking about being interviewed while you're in the shit. You hear about people you know kind of before they hit the shit. Oh, wow. They were great people this is how they were before then. Right? Oh, you know, Mary was fantastic until you know somebody spiked to drink one night after that it's all going to shift or Jerry was great until fucking you know we lost a job and then it all went downhill from there. Nobody see nobody ever talks to the person really, while they're going through the shit. Right? Oh yeah, but he rebounded and now he's great. Oh yeah, but she's rebounded in Nazareth What the fuck happened in the middle there happened in the chrysalis state because again, totally destroyed everything that ever was and that you don't really see that with I think humans too much a lot of times you'll run into somebody from high school or school or an old work colleague and that's pretty much the same as you remember. Maybe a couple quirks or differences or children. But for the most part, they're pretty much not not a whole lot has changed the butterfly. Completely different than the caterpillar like, I mean, two totally two totally different things, right. You don't go over there and say, Oh, hey, look, there's a baby butterfly over there. A butterfly being caterpillar. Like there's a caterpillar. There's a cocoon. There's a butterfly. So what happens in the middle there? And I think that that's, you know, I think that Unknown Speaker 6:23 some of those pieces that get lost some of those are the pieces that get lost we Brandon Handley 6:32 we love we love the rebound story. We don't really love to hear about like, kind of what went through the middle there like Oh, shit, man, I was freaking out. Oh, shit, man, this is really scary. Oh, shit, man. Like I was a mess. I wasn't really sure it was gonna work out. But you know, I just kept putting one foot in front of the other. And lo and behold, here I am. For you listen to this podcast. And you know, that a lot of the people that that are on the show, it's not linear, right? There's an idea. And even with that linearity, even if you've got the one person who's like, hey, in five years is where I'll be in my life. They've got the plan. They've got it all fucking worked out in five years. They're their whole fucking right. Right. But while it may appear linear, on the outside, I can guarantee that it was not the universe is not linear. promise you that. It's not linear. We know that it's possible for time to be reversed. Right and small, literally atomic units. So you know, what happens in the middle there? What happens in the chrysalis state what invokes the chrysalis state? Have you gone through it? Have you? Noticeably purposely intentionally said, I invoke the chrysalis state? And what happened in the middle there? Because I don't think we hear enough about that. We hear about the caterpillar, we hear about the butterfly. We never really, we don't interview the caterpillar after the fact we don't gave it's not possible. And we never really get to see kind of what's happening inside that chrysalis state outside of the fact that it's done in a safe space. Right. There's a wall there's a cocoon like that's hardened it's a chrysalis crystalline state even as it's becoming so love to hear any stories you've got as what was it like for you to invoke the chrysalis state? What was it like to be inside of it? Was it like coming out on the other side? In regards to linearity? What was that like? Hit me up Brandon at spiritual dope.co. We'll chat later. Transcribed by https://otter.ai
Brandon Handley 0:00 He what's going on? Spiritual Dope. So what are we looking at? What are we looking at today? I had an I had somebody reach out to me that wanted to do a, a kind of activation meditation. And so I was like, Sure, set it up. And I did it recently and thought it was pretty cool. And part of the experience was that, you know, as you're sitting into the meditation as you're being guided, one of the things that you do, and I did was pull all the energy out that you've been sending out, right, call it all back. And that's great. Here's the deal. Not all of my energy that I send out, is amazing, right? There are definitely some moments throughout the day where I'm like, fuck this, that I shouldn't be doing this. Don't get me wrong. There's also plenty of moments where I'm like, Oh, I'm so grateful. Namaste, bitches. But a couple of things happen. Right? So, you know, what did come back to me. And it came back, like, immediately, during the meditation, were a couple of things that I kind of already do, or did or have sent out, right. So some of the energies that I sent out, showed up in the specific meditation. And what were some of those things, some of those things were the kind of like, when you're sitting in your meditation, and you're, maybe you're visualizing a light, you don't just visualize this kind of 180 degrees that you sit in front of you, right? You, me, you us we are radiant, beings, meaning that the energy that you send out doesn't just go forward, it goes around behind, beneath above, like, the frickin sun. Oh, like a light bulb. Any one of those things? Light bulb or a sun you choose. And so that was one of the things that she brought up in this meditation, I was like, wow, I know, I'm always that's exactly, you know, the guidance was to do that. And I was like, shit, that's the, that's exactly the way that you know, kind of, I see it. Another one of the pieces of guidance were like, go to the edge of the universe in your mind. Right. And here's like, the funny thing is, is that you can, is as vast as the universe is you can imagine sending your mind to the edges of universe. And that was the guidance. And that is something that I've sent out mentally, I've never said that stuff before it came back. Now, that's pretty cool stuff, the deal is, again, some time sending out some shit. And just kind of be mindful that I need to be more mindful that myself. So this does meditation made me realize, and again, you know, all the things that kind of you send out, come back. And definitely, absolutely visualize this as a torus field. If you're not familiar with the torus field, it's basically a doughnut of ever generating energy with you in the center of it. Imagine, if you will, when you look at the United States are not the United States, when they when you look at Planet Earth, and they show pictures of kind of the magnetic field, from north to south and how it goes around the planet and protects us or sends out you know, these kinds of energy fields, you do the same thing, I do the same thing, we do the same thing we are making, we're magnetic. Anyways, you know, our hearts send out magnetic field, that's been, you know that, that's the shift that gets calculated, right, that's the ship that gets captured. So that's what a torus field is. So the other piece about torus field those, since you're generating it, you're at the center. And when you generate it, it's the smallest piece, right? That's the smallest piece and then when you send it out, again, goes out kind of like a doughnut but but bigger and water. If you've seen the fields that surround the earth, just like that the earth is smaller than the magnetic field that it generates. You are the same way. You have these magnetic fields that you turn Right and that you've got polls on you. You're like a tiny dancers of different. You're, you're a pole dancer, you, you, you, you're the same way, right? You're sending out these, these, these fields as well. So we got to take this kind of stance of like, wherever you are. Just notice and this isn't like a police yourself, notice what you send out and take a look at em for what comes back. Notice what's showing up in your life. And see if you can kind of pinpoint where you think that might have originated from because you're sending it out. It's going out and it's like, I'm gonna go get you some friends, motherfucker, right? Like your thoughts. Like I'm sending out this one thought. But the one thoughts like, I know where there's a shit ton of these and I'll go out bring the whole game, right? It's kind of like, you know, the drunk guy that has wandering the streets and you lose them. You lose the drunk friend. And then when you finally catch up with them again, he's got like, fucking 20 other drugs with them. Right? Like, dude, they're all like, we're all coming back to the bars close. We're all coming back to your house. No, you are not. Yes, they are. Right? You're trying to stop like 20 Drunk people have come back to your house, it's like nine possible without the cops. Anyways, that's what's happening with your thoughts. Right? And so you want to send out like these kinds of, again, you know, these positive vibes, nice positive vibes, they don't have to even just be like, just thoughts. Like, imagine, you know, kind of like when you're doing a yoga practice, when you're trying to center yourself, and you're centering yourself and you're, you're feeling good, that's sending out good energy, you're doing it for the benefit of your body, mind and soul. Same thing with the breath practice, you're getting centered, you're, you're visualizing what you actually want to participate in. And, and you're doing these things. Without an attachment to the outcome, you're doing it just for, Unknown Speaker 7:10 excuse me at that moment. And being in that moment. Brandon Handley 7:15 So could you imagine, again, what kind of a you have these more positive thoughts? And again, these aren't positive thoughts and like, oh, you know, something bad just happened? And that's okay. It was no, it was meant to be type of thing. And again, that's even kind of weak. You know, just it's not spiritual, bypassing, it's not, you know, there are some shitty things that happen in life. Right. And, and the deal is, what are we learning from it? As a practice? That's where I'm trying to go here with this, though is, see where things are coming from? Something shows up in your life, the thing is, you sent that out? Where did it come from? How did that get back to you? And the more that you can send out these positive thoughts, and more, you might be able to notice some of the cool shit that happens in your life. You know, for example, out of the blue, I got a call from one of my favorite authors, you know, desk yesterday, just saying, Hey, we had a webinar yesterday, we actually want your input on it. And I was like, what? I was like, Where's that coming from? And for me, you know, I just kind of looked at it and to, you know, I'm putting good energy out, right, I'm putting energy out that just says, Hey, I want to participate and be a part of, you know, some great things to be of service to my community, whatever that community is for people on the journey. And this feedback is for specifically people that are on that journey. So to be able to participate in something like that was a return on the energy that I have been sending out, try it out for yourself. It doesn't have to go or be so deep, but when something happens to you, good or theoretically bad and nothing is good or bad, so for our thinking makes it so when something happens to try and try Where did that come from? What did you send out and again, this is 100% ownership in your life and all things in it. Something comes back to you. Where do you feel like that originated from Unknown Speaker 9:32 you Transcribed by https://otter.ai
Vine Mealybug (VMB) is a challenging pest in many vineyards. Growers are increasingly incorporating biological control into their Integrated Pest Management programs by releasing Mealybug Destroyers and Anagyrus Wasps. Brett Chandler, President and General Manager at Associates Insectary explains how these two beneficials help manage VMB populations. The Mealybug Destroyer (Cryptolaemus montrouzieri) is a predator beetle. It feeds on eggs and small stages of VMB. The Anagyrus Wasp is a parasite. It lays eggs inside the Mealybug. The challenge with the wasp is that they are very susceptible to many chemicals and require more specialized conditions to be effective. Brett describes how to monitor for both Mealybug and beneficials, when and how often to release the insects, the best release methods, and how to pair beneficials with chemical control. References: 26: Controlling Mealybug Vectors of Grapevine Viruses 119: Vine Mealybug 101: Species Identification, Lifecycle, and Scouting to Create an IPM Program An Important First Step in Biocontrol: Don't Kill the Good Insects Associates Insectary Beneficial organisms for vine mealybug control Donate to the Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholarship Anagyrus vladimiri (formerly pseudococci) Mealybug Destroyer (Cryptolaemus montrouzieri) Natural enemies of Pseudococcus mealybugs SIP Certified Sustainable and Organic Control of Vine Mealybug in Vineyards: Two Growers, Two Approaches Sustainable Ag Expo November 14-16, 2022 Vine Mealybug Management- UCIPM Get More Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode on the latest science and research with the Sustainable Winegrowing Podcast. Since 1994, Vineyard Team has been your resource for workshops and field demonstrations, research, and events dedicated to the stewardship of our natural resources. Learn more at www.vineyardteam.org. Transcript Craig Macmillan 0:00 And with us today is Brett Chandler, president and general manager of associates and secretary in Santa Paula, California. And thanks for being here. Brett Chandler 0:07 Thank you for having us Craig. Craig Macmillan 0:10 You have been in the world of biological control for a long time. And you have seen a lot of trends and a lot of different approaches and a lot of different paths. And the pest that I want to talk about today is vine mealybug on winegrapes, specifically, and I'm very interested in the bio control strategies that people are employing and how they're doing it and how successful they're turning out to be. And some of the advantages of taking a biocontrol approach. Brett Chandler 0:35 Well, it's actually an integrated approach, where you integrate your chemicals, as a last resort, your cultural practices as a first mainline, and then most importantly, monitoring the insects, both the good and the bad, and keeping a good track on what's happening in the vineyard. And it's much easier than most people think, Craig Macmillan 0:57 You know, I want to shift to that one point there right away as as one of the challenges is you have to measure to manage, right, that's a common saying. And with beneficial insects, one of the challenges that I always found was how to monitor beneficial insects. I was a field checker for a long time, and I'd find lots of pests, but I couldn't find the beneficials. But we had reason to believe that they were part of the ecosystem, you know, populations would go up and down. And, you know, what recommendations do you have for any particular organism, maybe Cryptolaemus ? For monitoring what the populations are like? Brett Chandler 1:30 Cryptolaemus, the organism itself is pretty standout, it's pretty obvious. But when it's feeding among the mealybugs, it's very easy to mistake because it's a mimic, it looks just like the mealybugs, and it can be working among there in numbers that you don't notice, unless you really take the time to look at it. What you're going to find with, say Cryptolaemus feeding is you'll find empty egg masses, where you'll see the white fluffy egg mass where the mealybug normally produces it young, but they're actually empty. And that you come to find is easier to recognize, the more often you see it. It's not that technical, but it is something you need to recognize. And through repetition, it's very doable for most most farm employees. Craig Macmillan 2:14 And again, that's a combination of recognizing the insect itself and also recognizing the evidence that the insect has been there. Because oftentimes, that's what we're looking at is we're looking at the indirect evidence, you know, I should mention, I just dived right in. So the Cryptolaemus montrouzieri is the mealybug destroyer, and is a predator, is that correct? Brett Chandler 2:34 Correct. It's a predator as opposed to the Wasp, which are parasites, which lay their eggs inside the mealybug. The Cryptolaemus beetle actually feeds on the eggs and consumes mass quantities of the eggs and smaller stages of the mealybugs. It's a it's a predator like any other that is not attached to any one stage, but feeds at all stages available to consume. Craig Macmillan 2:58 Tell me a little bit about predators. I mean about parasites next. Brett Chandler 3:01 The parasites, they're a very unique creature. They're highly specialized, they will only feed on one or two species where they can find and lay their eggs. Only the females do the feeding, the males do no feeding, they simply breed and provide no control. They are also very susceptible to many chemicals that the beetles or other predators may be less susceptible to. They also are very host specific. In other words, if there's not enough of the pest around, they won't find it and they may starve. If there's too many, they may be repelled, or they don't like them at that high density. So they're a very, very specific tool for a very specific circumstance. But broadly, the need to be used in only specific locations and times of year because they're they're quite delicate. Craig Macmillan 3:55 You mentioned feeding. I thought the parasitoid wasps just lay their egg in the adult. And then it was the larva yes that had hatched out that does the damage. Is that right? Brett Chandler 4:08 Well, actually, it does both. It's called Host feeding. And host feeding occurs in some cases where they're not getting enough protein. And they may feed on one because they'll find a mealybug and if it's too small or too large, they won't lay their eggs on it. But they may kill it by feeding on it or merely annoying it. Actually the Asian citrus psyllid parasitoid tamarixia, it kills twice as many by feeding than it does actually laying eggs. Craig Macmillan 4:34 There you go, that it's fantastically interesting. If I'm trying to monitor for the wasps. How do I go about doing that? Because they're tiny. Unknown Speaker 4:42 Very, very difficult. But again, early season, they're going to be laying their eggs inside the smaller mealybug and it's very difficult to find but once the first generation has passed, and the adult Wasp has emerged from what we call the mummy, where the egg has crawled out and become an adult fed on the mealybug. And emerged by chewing a hole just like a chick, choose a hole in a chicken egg, you see that characteristic round hole in the mealybug pupa. And that tells you that an Anagyrus adult emerge from that pupa. Craig Macmillan 5:16 When we think of pest monitoring, and we think of densities, and we count or we quantify somehow, and then we come up with changes over time. Maybe we do our timings or pesticide timings, maybe based on that or decisions, whether we use pesticides at all based on that. What are the ways of measuring density? And what kinds of density measures do we use and thresholds to use for deciding Yes, this is really working well. Or maybe I need to do an augmentative release. Brett Chandler 5:44 Well, for both of these, this is not an established what classic biological control where you release once and allow it to come on. The insect and the Wasp with the mealybug have what's called a dynamic equilibrium where it takes them time to bring the population down. And so that time may be too long, where the grape clusters are infested with the mealybug. And you don't allow that to happen. So you use the technique called an inundated release, where you release many more than the natural population would be in hopes of bringing down the climbing population because the key to control is actually the second generation of these insects that are released whether wasp or beetle, not the first generation. A wasp can lay 100 to 150 eggs, a beetle can lay up to 400 eggs. So that's 400 times the control in the second generation than the first. Craig Macmillan 6:39 And how do we distribute these in the field? What's the what's the method by which both the beetle and the Wasp are introduced? Brett Chandler 6:46 Many methods can be used. Drones are much more popular now and being used. The drone pilots are quite quite adept at getting them where they need to be when they need to be. We work with companies like Parabug, who are quite familiar with working with the beetles and depositing them quite a bit in the Central Valley forests and other growing locations and the Wasp as well. Hand releasing can if you have a clumped distribution, where you only have pockets, hand release is probably better if you have it broadly where the vine mealybug is broadly throughout the vineyard, a drone is helpful. But drones can be expensive to come for just five or 10 acres, you need to get a large acreage to make it effective where several neighbors get together and the neighboring vineyards all working together to allow it to happen. Drone pilots have to travel, their time. So to be cost effective, you need a larger acres for the drone. But at the same time, you need manpower available to release by hand as well. Craig Macmillan 7:43 So for dropping a beetle, we're dropping as an adult? Brett Chandler 7:48 Yes, we ship the beatles as adult their wings and they can fly. So when they come out, they'll drop a little and start flying and working towards the vine. And settle on the line, if there's any mealybug in the area, they will immediately be olfactory stimulated to search for them. They smell the mealybug and that's one of the driving things that attracts them and keeps them in the vineyard. Feeding as long as the population is is active. Craig Macmillan 8:49 Is that true for the Wasp as well? Brett Chandler 8:49 The Wasp is more of a solitary searcher, they like very small numbers when the vine mealybug are just emerging from under the bark or maybe on the edge. When high numbers of vine mealybug come out, they unfortunately attract the ants and the ants are the downfall of the Anagyrus. Anagyrus goes from very effective to about 2% effective when the ants are active in the in the vineyards. It is a big limiting factor of theirs. Whereas the Beatles because of their mimicry, they even smell like the mealybugs, and the ants will ignore the juveniles. Once the adults have laid the eggs, the ants will ignore them. And they can feed and control the mealybug with no disturbance from the ants. Craig Macmillan 8:55 Interesting. Is there an advantage to using both types of organisms? Brett Chandler 8:59 You can if you're properly timed in high numbers mid season, the beetles are definitely better because they're more effective. As far as bringing down high numbers and a little more tolerant of active spray programs. If you're using mating disruption that works very well. A recent study showed that beetle feeding is actually stimulated by the odors of mealybugs by the female pheromone and it actually stimulates their feedings. So it not only collaborates but it's actually a synergistic effect if you're using pheromone systems like the CheckMate or something like that. And if you're using trapping, that also helps you to time your initial releases of your parasitoids where you want to get them out there very early and as about a week after your first flight is a good time to plan to release. The problem is you don't know exactly when that is and that's the biggest problem is the lead time to get these insects grown. It's about 80 days for the Wasp and about 105 days for the beetles where we have to have those on hand and have started growing them 100 days before you need them. And that's that's the limitation, they don't have a long shelf life. Craig Macmillan 10:10 So tell me more about the rearing, I think this is really fascinating. Brett Chandler 10:13 The rearing system is actually rearing on live mealybug host, we rear ours on citrus mealybug, which is a similar host to vine or grape mealy bug, but not problematic if it should escape. So we have large colonies of millions of mealybugs in enclosed spaces, where we raise them to high densities, let the beetles go in the rooms, the adults lay their eggs, feed, reproduce, those 500 400 eggs hatch out, and then we harvest them out of the room, put them in bottles, and ship them to growers. And we've got about five to 10 days from harvest to use them so that they're still strong and vital. That's why we can't hold them over really from more than a week. Craig Macmillan 10:55 So do you have like phases, you have different different populations that are kind of different stages, so that you can kind of hit the windows as you're going forward? Because otherwise you'd have everybody coming online at 105 days. That'd be like, okay, we got five days to do all the business in the world. Let's get them out there now. You must must wrap it up somehow. Brett Chandler 11:15 Yeah, you're exactly right, we start logistics in January, and start talking to growers all the way up as far as Napa is down as far south as Delano, and everywhere in between. And if you'll notice, the vines come on at different times along that gradient as well as you run north to south. So that staggers it a little bit. But May and June are we're swamped. We're selling every one we can grow and working to grow more each year. So we do have to stagger them. And we do have almost 50 rearing rooms, where we have cycles coming off every couple of days. So we have fresh every couple of days. So it's continually going on a year round basis. And interesting thing this winter has been we sold tripled the number of beetles this winter than we normally have. And it's just taxing our staff to the maximum. So unfortunately, this year, we are not going to be rearing the Anagyrus Wasp, we simply don't have the manpower for it this year. I believe there's another source for those that's available. But the beetle demand is so strong, we're doubling our population from last year and thinking we're going to need to double it again to make it available because demand is so high. Craig Macmillan 12:24 So this is really been adopted? Brett Chandler 12:25 Very much very much. We've been doing it for about 10 years up in Napa and about eight years in the Central Valley and then scattered through that in the Central Coast. And it's becoming more and more driven by the the customers the end customers that want to see a sustainability component to the grapes going into the system. And also a big problem shifting towards the Beatles is the big problem has been for the Anagyrus has been the loss of Lorsban. Chlorpyrifos was actually a very good IPM tool that could be sprayed at the base of the vines to keep keep the ants at bay and allow the Wasps and the Beatles to do a better job. And with this loss, and not a great replacement on the horizon, people are having to use more and more than they did at the past. I mentioned about the Anagyrus dropping off, it drops about 75% and effectiveness when ants are present. So as ants come up, you need many more Anagyrus to get the same concentration in the past. And same thing with the beetles which were treating a lot more acres than we had but also more per acre. Craig Macmillan 13:32 So there's no overwintering of either of these organisms? Brett Chandler 13:37 There actually is. As far up as as in Tracy and Lodi area, we've had some overwinterings in most winters. The problem is the numbers are so low, that it's hard to get them going in the spring. You kind of have to kickstart it, but we do get carryover particularly along the coast, we get a lot more carryover. But the wasp, the populations dropped so low, it's very, very difficult to get much carryover with that. So seasonal inundative releases, which is what we've used in citrus for almost 100 years. We've been growing these beetles here for just about 95 years, and they're a great supplement to your pest control. You can't expect classic, practical,complete biocontrol in a crop that is not a naturally occurring ecosystem. There's not an ecosystem somewhere with 100 acres of perfectly uniform vines all coming in at the same time. Craig Macmillan 14:27 Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And so this is not a refugia issue. It's not like oh, if I just had the right you know habitat for them they would establish and hangover it's that isn't that's not really a strategy that would work either populations in place. Brett Chandler 14:42 In most areas you can get a few but the refugia is, can be problematic. They like soft bodied pests, the beatles particular and the mealybug you're not going to get mealybug to produce over the winter they go underground or under the bark so there's simply no food available for the wasp. But the beetle will feed on many soft bodied insects, reproduce on several species of mealybugs. But truthfully, there's not much activity during the winter months, and they have to kind of settle down and it takes them a while to get up to numbers and the pests being, taking advantage of that get jump started in the spring. So if you could get caught up, but you may be on your economic threshold, and they may be in your bunches by the time you get that done. Craig Macmillan 15:29 What is the integration of cultural control, cultural practices, biological control, chemical control? So the, you know, the classical IPM framework. What do you see growers doing in terms of that integrated approach that's working well, not just for the control the mealybug, but it's also making it possible for these other practices to work well? Brett Chandler 15:51 Well, the control of the ants through either minor cultivation, or banding with sticky, sticky materials on on the poles and on the lines to exclude the ants. Cultural practices as the're pruning to flag where it was a problem last year, you got those black vines, you've got sooty mold residues so that it combines to catch your eye particularly at this time of year at budbreak. And early in the season. flag that. That's going to be where you're going to see your activity first. And you can have a reward to your pruners to your irrigators to weed people working. Give them the flag and they come back and show you how many they did and you buy them lunch, something like that. Anyone can notice the black stains, you don't have to be highly educated. Then you concentrate your scouting on those black spots rather than having to canvass the entire vineyard. Where the black spots are is where you're gonna see the problem emerge first. Later in the season for spread, you'll have to spend more time. But that's a good economy of time, is to allow everyone that goes through the vineyard to have a part in monitoring. Craig Macmillan 16:59 And then I can target what I do, whether it's a release or, or whatever. How to pesticides come into play here? Because I think there's always a conflict between biological control agents and pesticides. Brett Chandler 17:12 We found a good solution in the citrus which seems to work in the grapes just as well. Particularly with newer products like Movento, Spirotetramat, very soft on beneficials, goes into the tree provides long control, goes into the vine provides long control, is not particularly disruptive, has very low surface residue. We found the mealybug and the Cryptolaemus aren't too disrupted by sulfur sprays either. And they do pretty well there. Abeamectin sprays for mites seem to do pretty well. Some of the plant growth regulators though can be quite hard on the beetles. Like Esteem. They will impact them as well. So that is something although it's considered safe for parasitoids, it's not safe for predators. And so we want to watch those when you combine those. Imidacloprid doesn't seem to do too much of a problem with when that's chemigated in or even applied on on a surface surface treatment. We just tried to time the releases to say a week after after your application of something like that, or a few days before a sulphur spraying. By timing it allows the beatles to find it, lay their eggs, which they will almost immediately, same with the wasps. Having something blowing dust. Even if it is just sulfur dust is highly disruptive, no one would want to have a bag of dust blown on them. And so just the disruption breaks down their activity. So giving them a few days of free time to get used to the odors, detect the mealybug find them do their feeding or their egg laying before you have to pass through again. So the calibration and the timing and the synchronization between your scheduled sprays is is it's usually not too hard to do but it does take a little forethought. Craig Macmillan 18:53 You might have mentioned this but I'm not positive, we're talking about a release in the spring. They're not additional releases after that, it's a one release per year. Brett Chandler 19:02 Actually not. The Anagyrus are so expensive to rear the high numbers aren't practical and so many are lost for various reasons that they release about every two weeks up to eight times a year. The Cryptolaemus we do an initial release at a base number and then a follow up release if it's if it's needed by by scouting and and about 50% of the time it's needed. So Cryptolaemus maybe once maybe twice, antivirus up to eight times. So there's a lot more work involved in the Anagyrus. So and they're more expensive. So you want to make sure you're using an expensive tool like that to its best effect. So if you have ants, Anagyrus are not recommended. Craig Macmillan 19:45 Now we talked about the fact that overwintering isn't really practical, but what things can I do during the season to encourage protect, promote the beneficial insects that I've released? Brett Chandler 19:54 Very simply the some of the broadleaf plants, some of the lupins and things like that will, if allowed to grow near the vines, will offer a little alternate nectar and a little food if the numbers are getting low for the beetles. The wasps, they will host feed. Like I say they're much more delicate, and it's hard to keep them around. That's why the constant releases during the year because of multiple overlapping generations, they're only feeding on about four days out of 30. Of a 30 day lifecycle for the mealybug, only four days that mealybug appropriate to be stung. So trying to get that you're releasing constantly to provide some loss there at every stage of the life. So that one wasp finds its mealybugs every couple of weeks. The main thing is to keep the disruption of the harsh chemicals to a minimum, or at least timed and coordinate with your insectary. The other thing is coordinating with your insectary and getting to know your supplier. Ask them do you have you know, customers already booked for this time. You know, historically, when when you've first seen it each year. You know historically, when your bunches normally close up, and when you want to get it in there. Follow the the history of vineyard and have it in your mind when you speak to them and give them a target window as early as possible. And they will work with you. You may have to shift a week or two, like I said one way or the other because of availability, but we're constantly expanding production to try and supply everyone as needed. But it's the growth of this. It's grown 30 40% In the last two years in demand, and it's just quite a quite a tough talent to find people that know how to grow insects to hire them. There's not a job board you put up and say, recruiting insecr rearing people, come on over. Craig Macmillan 21:37 What is your experience? What are growers telling you? This sounds like this is a grower to grower explosion. Talking to people and I'm like. So what are you hearing back from growers that's making them so excited or making them really recommend this to their neighbors? Brett Chandler 21:52 It seems that they see results. But it's very difficult to quantify an exact percentage, but they're they're satisfied with it. We had one grower who started out and promised he would buy from us if we wouldn't tell anyone he was using them. He thought it was a competitive advantage. And he wanted to keep it a secret from his neighbors because he thought he had one up on them. Craig Macmillan 22:16 Meanwhile, the pressure of spread from across the fence line continues. I can see that I get you know I can I can see the mindset there. It makes sense. It makes sense. That's one thing I've always loved about this industry, and I've learned about Ag in general is how kind of collaborative it is. Insane things in the wine side, people ask me, you know, oh, or you know, how cutthroat is it? And it's like, well, there is competition, but also everybody's in the same boat. We're all facing the same problems. It's all the same time. You know, I mean, we're kind of a community regardless. With that idea, are you finding, is the spread of information, is this via meetings? Is it just one to one? Is there press stories that have made a difference? I, I'm just really curious about this as a model for other kinds of sustainable technologies. Brett Chandler 23:01 It I think it's a combination of both. But the onside demonstration, the Lodi, grape growers have have had onsite demonstrations of drone releases for everyone to see. Things like the the Ag Expo, it's been going on and talking about that Kena Daane's been talking about it for several years. But now the practicality of it is really coming forward because people were scared that it was a lot more work. And it's not really. But it is it is a different kind of work, and it is practicable. But it does produce good results. And that's why the growers are coming back year after year to us and buying more each year. I don't think they'd be wasting their money if if they didn't think it was effective. And it seems to be that they're quite satisfied with with the results they're seeing in all aspects of it. Craig Macmillan 23:48 Are there new things on the horizon? Or things that have just kind of happened recently that are exciting? Are there other organisms that have potential or there are other methods that are starting to show us potential? Do we have new information about the fine mealybug we didn't have before? Brett Chandler 24:02 You'll have to talk to Dr. Daane about that. Kent knows all the details. I know he's working very hard on it. And he has been for many years. As I say, I think the drone technology and the practicality of the drones is making it more practical to people. Because whether it's an insect or a vineyard, you don't have people standing around, you're usually short handed, especially now. And the drones allow them to also to cooperate them with themselves and their neighbors and work among themselves to have the drone come in and do large scale releases. And that frees up the labor and they may take a few and do some a couple spot releases, but overall they can do broad releases and introduce them to an area, frankly the way we have done with the scale parasites in the citrus for 65 years. And the innondative, area wide approach brings it down and tends to expand overall control. While it's hard to tell on an individual vineyard block or orchard the overall regional control, you'll see it effectively as the numbers begin to drop. As long as we can keep good control of the ants. The ants are a plague in the citrus as well and a huge problem for us. And we use the Lorsban as well and founded quite an effective IPM tool, and we're looking forward to some useful replacement on the near horizon. Craig Macmillan 25:18 Is there a biological control agent for their Argentine Ant? Brett Chandler 25:22 They've tried. The thing is a super colony, believe it or not, in other parts of the world, two colonies from 50 yards apart, will fight each other. But most of Western California is one super colony of Argentine Ants that cooperate and feed. They actually keep the Fire Ants out. Where they have controlled them. The Fire Ants come in and they reduce the control and the Fire Ants are decimated by the Argentine Ants in Southern California. Craig Macmillan 25:49 That's interesting. That's really, really interesting. Well, I want to thank you for being our guest today. This has been great, a lot of great information and some kind of hope, I feel. It's exciting when we get biological control success. At the beginning of the philosophy, like you said, going back 100 or more years ago to classical approach, we had a couple of successes that were really, really exciting. And then people kind of discovered how difficult it was. And I really appreciate folks like you and the rest of the community that keep sticking to this idea, and finding ways to make it work, because it's a fantastic strategy, and it has its place may not be perfect, but man, it makes a huge difference. And I think that's really great. I want to appreciate that. So I want to thank our guest, Brett Chandler, President and General Manager of Associates Insectary for being on the show today. I look forward to seeing you again. It's been a few years before just bumping into you in person again. Brett Chandler 26:40 I hope so. Craig, look forward to seeing you soon. Thank you. Transcribed by https://otter.ai
Faith and Business. Today's guest, Tina Rains from Masterpiece Women, is a successful businesswoman who has combined her success as an entrepreneurial woman of faith with her business leadership skills and ministry in an Ephesians 2:10 way. Be encouraged today to share your faith within the business world. ****** Kimberly Hobbs 0:06 Welcome to empowering lives with purpose. And I'm your host, Kimberly Hobbs. I am the founder of Women world leaders. And I am so happy to introduce to you our guest today, who is Tina rains. And she also runs a ministry called masterpiece women. And today we get to talk about faith in business. Welcome, Tina. Tina Rains 0:30 Thank you, Kimberly, for having me. I'm so excited to be here with you. Kimberly Hobbs 0:35 We are so excited to have you. And ladies, we're hoping today that it is our prayer to strengthen you, encourage you, and empower you to share stories with others about how God has moved within your life. And we're going to hear today from Tina a little bit about how God has empowered her to move forward into ministry but also incorporate business into that. So we're hoping that by her sharing her story, this will encourage you to share your sometime as you just see what Tina is doing within her business. Ephesians 210 says we are God's masterpiece, we are created anew in Christ Jesus to do the very good things that he has planned for us long ago. And as those of you that follow empowering lives with purpose podcast, know that I use that scripture. Often when I open up, and I just am giggling because that is actually Tina and masterpiece women's verse for the ministry. And I love that. So you're gonna hear more about that in just a little bit. And I want to introduce to you Tina, and read a little bit about who Tina is. Tina is an RN. She's the founder of masterpiece women driven to help women know that they are a masterpiece based on Ephesians 210. The verse that I just read. She has a driving passion to help women understand who they are in Christ, build authentic community and give them tools to succeed in business. And in ministry. Tina is married to Monty and together they have seven children. And she's now a meanie to seven grandbabies. And Tina and Monty serve as couple chose for bi annual J H Outback marriage retreats. And I've heard about those retreats and they're supposed to be phenomenal. Tina started her career as an entrepreneur at the age of 25 and started her first healthcare staffing office. And in 1995, she was operating out of her garage. Within a few short years, she had eight offices around the country and was making millions of dollars per year. Yet, she still had a void in her heart. So her done, identity was not completely in Christ. She didn't except when a masterpiece woman she was. And Tina came from a childhood of poverty and abuse. And so now we're going to talk about some of Tina's story which led her into our topic today, which is faith in business. So Tina from a childhood, you came from a childhood of sexual and physical abuse, but you had to get healthy again in many ways, and you were sharing that with me. God took you on a journey to complete surrender and prepares you for the area of ministry He's called you to which is faith in business with masterpiece women. So knowing the old way of living left you feeling solid and spiritually dial into that inside, you rebuilt the brokenness of your life by climbing a mountain ladies, this woman has climbed a mountain in India and not just any mountain. So I'm going to ask her to share about this. But as I read this verse, Hebrews 611, and then 12 promises us, then you will not become spiritually dull and indifferent. Instead, you will follow the example of those who are going to inherit God's promises because of their faith and endurance. And God called you to go climb a mountain, Mount Kilimanjaro and India. How in the world did you get there? Tina Rains 4:36 Oh, my goodness. Yes, it was quite the it was quite the climb, to say the least. But I do. I do correlate it many times to my spiritual climb because as a woman, young woman, I was still very broken. And I put a lot of energy and a lot of my passions into building business because that made me feel good put on quote about myself. And I realized that there was still something missing. And I knew that and I had made some choices because I was still broken in my younger days of relationships that weren't healthy for me things in my life that weren't healthy for me. And I realized, something has to change. And the patterns that I'm making in my personal life, are just not working from a spiritual perspective. And so I went on a journey of really seeking the Lord, I went through a divorce, and I was devastated and went through a very difficult time in my life. And so I just said, Okay, Lord, it's you and me the next couple of years, I'm just gonna dig in deep and I surrendered. I went through some, some programs, including, you know, inner healing and broke some strongholds, just really navigating with the Lord going, what do I need to do to be completely intimate with you and surrender to you? What what are those strongholds that are still holding me back. And I recognize that I still had many that I had to work through, even though I'd gone to, you know, counseling, etc. And I believe in counseling, but I believe that when you really surrender your life to the Lord, and you say, and here I am, us, me, he just transforms your life completely. And so, in that season, I did that. And I went on my first mission trip to India, where he spoke to me very clearly, I was to come back, and I was to do something, but I had no idea what that meant. And so I had transitioned that already sold a large portion of my business, I had a small portion left, I was on all kinds of Board of Directors for many people, you know, many great organizations, but he said, I want to use your gifts and talents for me. And I said, Okay, so I thought, Okay, I'll get on Christian boards, instead of, instead of, you know, business boards and other, you know, Board of Directors, I just get on some Christian boards. He's like, no, no, that's not what I mean. Well, fast forward, I was invited to climb Mount Kilimanjaro, which is the largest freestanding mountain in Africa won the world, but, and so I'm, like, climb me, I've never climbed a day in my life. Like, literally, that was not my passion. And so I said, Yes, after asking him for days to show me for sure. Very similar to this mission trip to India, because I didn't really want to go on the mission trip to India. But I believed he told me to do it. So I did and all came together. And one thing led to another, I'd met this amazing woman there that I loved. And we ended up going as tentmakers to climb Mount Kilimanjaro together. And in that journey, he showed me that I was to come back and lead that movement. And so then I went on to climb Mount Kilimanjaro, a second time base, camp, Everest, the Alps, all these climbs. And what I saw all over the world, as I spoke, though, is so many women were just like me, they were still held back by bondage, and brokenness, and there's so much abuse. And what's beautiful about that, though, Kimberly, is that even though the enemy meant it for our destruction, God then was able to use it, to bring glory to Him to help others. And so I could look back and reflect on all that pain and all that suffering. And know that as I was dealing with these women who to or dealing with these issues, gave me such a compassion for him. It gave me such a passion to help them. And so as we built that ministry wasn't just about climbing on behalf of the women, children, we were being voices for it was also very intentional to provide retreat type training at all of our climbs where they could just get real and raw with the Lord and break some of those strongholds themselves. And so it was both for the women coming, and the women that we were serving, and it was just such a powerful opportunity to watch God redeem what the enemy meant for destruction. So it was a very, I Kimberly Hobbs 9:04 love that. I love that Tina, and you were sharing with me that just the impact that you were having, when you were able to get raw and transparent. Lady sometimes that's difficult for us to do as expose our own our own weaknesses in front of others. But sometimes when we do that, we can allow others inside and let them know that it's okay. You're a safe place because you've been through some things. And just because you're in leadership, it doesn't mean that you have to hide everything. I mean, women need to know they need to trust you, and before that they can learn from you. So talk about how, Tina how you climbed Mount Kilimanjaro, but God took You on other climbs now. And you were getting raw and transparent with others? And can you talk about some of those moments of getting raw and transparent with some of the women? Tina Rains 10:09 Absolutely. So one of the most powerful things for me in our community specifically was in when you climb these mountains, there was a fundraising aspect to it. So you're doing these events. And I shared my vulnerability and my childhood with hundreds of people that I had invited to a fundraiser. And it transformed not only my life, but the so many people's lives that were at that event, because they had this picture of this business woman who had it all together, I think some of them thought that I had been spoon fed. I don't know what they thought exactly. But they'd been in my home. And they had just, you know, they thought of me in one perspective. And when I was real and transparent with them, it's a no, look, this is what I suffered. And this is what I still have to do on a daily basis, oftentimes, when the enemy tries to use a trigger and deal with it. And that's what these victims of human trafficking and repression also experienced, and I correlated it, they were able to then be raw, authentic and transparent themselves. And I think as leaders on a daily basis, whether it's in business or ministry, as being real, with our weaknesses, gives permission to those around us to be real and raw and authentic. And that's one of our key pillars and masterpiece women, because I see such great value, and as being real and transparent, because it brings freedom, and then others are free to do it as well, because oftentimes, leaders are isolated, they feel like they can't be real and authentic and transparent, because it shows them as being weak. And I don't believe vulnerability and authenticity shows you to be weak. I think it actually shows you to be a great leader, when you're willing to do that. Kimberly Hobbs 11:57 Amen. Amen. And I know one of the things we talked about was when you're in a key role like this, and you're an example in leadership, you give permission to the women to when you are vulnerable, right permission for them to open up and share. And Galatians 522 expresses how, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. And the absolute best type of leadership is a type where someone demonstrates these nine traits listed in the Scriptures. And I know you Tina, putting ministry and business together as God has called you to do you have to show your example in leadership and in share these nine traits. And how do you do that if you're not open and vulnerable with somebody if you're not allowing them to see into your own life, and those things that you have learned from? So being raw and exposing your past? Sometimes it's so helpful in leadership. And we're hoping that you understand that ladies, the Bible is a great business guide to us. So these fruits of the spirit that I read through God called you teen into the ministry, to be authentic with others, so that they can hear and have breakthrough also. So can you share how the power of the Holy Spirit worked in and through you to deliver some of these fruits of the Spirit to others. Tina Rains 13:46 I love that. And it's so key when you talk about the Bible being it's like the best book for leadership you can ever find. If you don't know what to do go to Proverbs, like its leadership has written the wisdom in there, I always tell him, it's really your very best leadership book. You can spend all day long reading leadership books, but if you don't get in that word, and really delve into it, so he can lead you, you're kind of wasting your time. So I tell I really start there every morning. That's where your wisdom comes from. But, you know, I would say that joy, one of the greatest things was when I've been through the most difficult times, and this is something that you know, I've shared with many women in the past is how I led many people to Christ that were in my circle of influence. When I went through this difficult time wasn't on my successes. It was actually the fact that I was going through a divorce. And I was struggling in other areas of my life, even you know, there was the recession in 2008, with the economy and all that went with it. And I was having some of the most difficult times in my life personally, but yet I had more joy than I'd ever had because I had finally surrendered. In my life to Christ, and so being them, seeing that not me preaching at them, not me hitting them over the head with the Bible, or like some people like want to do, but just them seeing that. And seeing that I still had the joy, and was still able to serve others and love others, was actually how a few of my friends that I was had the privilege actually lead to Christ moving forward, that were business women in my community that I was very close to you, but they weren't Christians at the time. But they were a great human beings. And so it was a real privilege to watch that. And as I, you know, climb these mountains. And as we, we worked with the women all over the world, I would say, the love and in our ministry, I think that's really what it all amounts to is the love of Christ coming out and being exposed to the women that came to give you an example, my greatest memory, of climbing all these mountains was when I had the privilege of sharing Christ with one of the women that came, we knew she wasn't a Christian, she climbed on behalf of the women and children. And I said, How are you doing? Because I knew she wasn't a Christian. And here we are all these Christians around her were worshipping we're doing all these things, right? She was I've never felt I said, Are you feeling comfortable on she goes, I've never felt more comfortable than this ever. And I thought, that's the love. And so one thing, you know, so we had a conversation about what that meant. And we were able to actually, as a team of women on the side of a mountain leader to Christ, like, that's my favorite memory, not all the other things that we can sit, that's my, my top memory. And then we came off of Mount Kilimanjaro, we have the same experience with the guy that was our head guide, I was having a conversation with the mascot. And Murphy knew Jesus. And you know, we'd built a relationship during that week. And he didn't know who Jesus was. And so we as a team had the privilege of leading him to Christ on the way back from the mountain, like, those are my two favorite memories of the whole all those years. And it's because the people around him, showed him love. And in return, he wanted what they had. And that's really why we're here, right? Kimberly Hobbs 17:16 That's exactly why we're here and our number one commandment to love one another. And you did you you showed that love, and you took that time for those that didn't know Jesus that saw that difference in your life, which is so beautiful. So So transitioning into now you are a boss in your business. And there are a lot of bad bosses in the world today. And no one ever wants to be one of those bad bosses, or the ones that are talked about, you know, on on the quiet amongst the employees. So how would you encourage the listener today to be a leader for Jesus in their work environment. Tina Rains 18:05 I think most importantly, it goes back to abiding in him, you have to spend the time to buy it in him to really have that intimate relationship with him. So that every step of every day is really Holy Spirit lead the prayer time during the day even you know, as as we make decisions on an email, for instance, if we pray before an email that most of those emails won't even get sent. Right, think about it. Right? Kimberly Hobbs 18:39 I, I agree. I pray before I send anything out. And there's so many times delete, delete, or rewrite, rewrite? Yes. Tina Rains 18:47 It's you know, it's so important because as people work with us, and as they see how we behave, I remember you, I told so when I said, I'm like a bipolar person, if I don't have Jesus in the morning. Kimberly Hobbs 19:03 Exactly. Right. Yeah. I know, ladies, we need to start our day early. Because when we do when we open our eyes, if that's the first thing that is on our heart is Jesus and you talking to him and you're giving him the whole day to take control? Right, take it out of our hands, but give it to him first thing in the morning. He's going to take us through those days. Do you agree? Absolutely. Tina Rains 19:29 100%. I mean, the when you talk to most teams, and as I've done consulting for businesses, and even for ministries, and you go in you, you listen to the staff, if they're having difficulties with the team 90% of what I've experienced in the workplace has been I don't feel heard. I don't feel valued. And so as a leader is It's imperative that we listen that we'd be good listeners that we know who our employees are, what are they going through in their lives, and really show them compassion, because it's really difficult for an employee to see someone says, Oh, I'm a godly leader, and I'm donating to all these things. I'm doing all these good works. But yet, you don't even know who I am. And the fact that my husband is suffering from cancer, and my teenage son is run away, because you haven't taken the time to know me. And those are the kinds of things that matter to employees and to people that work for you, as a leader. They want to be known, they want to be heard. So I believe we can do our greatest value in the workplace in the marketplace, of just loving others well, and having compassion for them, and being generous, having spirits of generosity, and seeing how we can affect them. Kimberly Hobbs 21:00 Wow. So true. Good advice. Good advice, being a good listener, right? That's what you're just talking about. Because, you know, if you just overlook, and you just are pushing your agenda constantly and telling people what to do, they're not gonna listen to you. They want to know that you're engaged. And you know, they're, they're on the same level with you. So, ladies, be a good listener, be a good listener, to be that good leader. Tina Rains 21:30 And John Maxwell says, People don't care what you know, unless they know how much you care. Kimberly Hobbs 21:36 Right. Amen. That is great. Yeah, that's a great word, John, thank you. Yeah, speaking Oh, I have another scripture. John 1715 says, My prayer is not that you take them out of the world, but that you protect them from the evil one. So ladies, we don't want to take you out of that work environment, we want to keep you in that work environment, so that you can be that light that's shining light, and God wants to protect you while you're doing that. Tina is going to close out and just share something from her heart, like a word of encouragement to the business woman out there, that has a heart for ministry, that sometimes keeps a mouth closed in the workplace. And it's sometimes it's so hard, because you might be one of those shy people or people that aren't easily ready to open your mouth and say something. But Tina, what's your word of encouragement to that person who keeps her mouth closed? In the workplace? Tina Rains 22:43 You know what I would say, be bold, not necessarily bold with, you know, hitting people over the head with Jesus, because they don't really want that they want it and actions. But I would say if you, you just share little tidbits where there's something small of you know, what you learned at church or whatever, just just share the wisdom, if you're adding value to others, they see it, it reflects beautifully of who God is, because Christ is always adding value to us. And I would say just add value to others. And the more you do that, the more you love others, while the more you listen, you know, they're, they're gonna see Jesus in you, and they're gonna ask you questions, and that's when you have the opportunity to be more bold, and share who he is to you and what it means to you. And, you know, the best thing we can do is live our lives, emulating him. Kimberly Hobbs 23:38 So I was just gonna say that. I mean, that's just what what Tina is saying, you know, living out like the fruits of the spirit that we talked about, right? And so ladies, if you don't open your mouth, necessarily, just remember, live it out, live out your life, having the fruits of the Spirit, which I can read them again, love. Do you display love, where you are working? Think about yourself in that work environment. Are you displaying love to those that you don't even like working with? It's difficult to do? Do you have joy about it? Do you have joy about you, ladies? Our prayer is that we all know Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior. And when we do we have something to be joyful about Apsos Do you agree to you know, like we don't want to walk into the workforce. We want to share our faith in business and we want to be joyful about our faith because we have a God that died for our sins and we don't have to stay bound to that that sin anymore that drag us down that goddess into trouble, right? We have Tina Rains 24:50 a really, and we fall. Exactly. And you know what, there's nothing worse to us than to see a miserable Christian. Oh, well, if you're what a Christian is, and I'm really, I'm okay, because I'm happier than you are. And I do, I do encourage everyone as well is, if you have struggles, which we all do, right? Get to a place where you are free. And what does that mean? Just spend more time with Jesus praising him learning his word, letting him speak to you. Because when you're free, then you have those fruits of the Spirit bubbling out from you. And if you're not, and you find yourself grumpy ALL the time at work, and you're frustrated, you're this and you're that step back and take a little, you know, self evaluation, what in me, is still in bondage? And how do I need to allow the Lord to cleanse it to heal it and let go of the past and move forward? Because we can't be good replications of the Lord, if we have all this stuff going on, that is then spewing out to the people that we work with, because we're not doing the Lord. Any. We're not doing justice to you know who God called Mercy. Kimberly Hobbs 26:12 Exact Exactly. That's right. Right. And we're called to serve wherever we are ladies. And that includes the workplace if you're you're working for the Lord, but you know, even if you don't have a full time job, or part time job, and you are in your home, or your environment in the neighborhood, or whatever you're doing, we have to remember to put this into our everyday life that we are in positions where people are looking at us because we do call ourselves Christians and and I just love just hearing some of the nuggets that you learned along the way, Tina, because you know, now you've incorporated ministry into the business world. That's what you do, and masterpiece women. And I just wanted to finish some of these, again, fruits of the Spirit, patience, kindness or again, remember, as you're in your day to day life, ladies, and this may seem Elementary, but it's not. It's again, this is what God's called us to do as believers to just carry this within our person. patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self control, that is huge ladies, we constantly have to have ourselves in check of all of our emotions. If people frustrate us to no end, we need to have that self control. Right, Tina? Tina Rains 27:34 Absolutely. That can be one of the toughest ones honestly, especially if you have a justice person you want to you want to see justice and someone's in the workplace not doing what you think is right. Having self control and reacting in love is so valuable. Kimberly Hobbs 27:55 So valuable, so valuable. Tina has so many good nuggets and what she does is amazing and masterpiece women can you share with the women your website in case they want to look you up and look up the ministry and and I just know that in the future women were leaders and masterpiece women may be doing some things together which I'm really excited about because I love love what Tina is doing for the Lord. So please Tina, share your your website. Absolutely. Tina Rains 28:28 It's masterpiece women dot O R G. And I am super excited Kimberly about this relationship because I know that God is doing something great. And we have monthly luncheons in South Florida and those are for all women. Because every woman is a leader you do not have to be in business to come to our luncheons. And then we have a program where we actually empower women who are interested in building business or online businesses. We have tools and a whole membership platform to help them actually do that as well. So check out our website. It's masterpiece women, dot o RG and you know we're here to serve you. So that's what the Lord has called us to do is help women everywhere know they're a masterpiece, and renewed him in him, and then help them with the plans that God has given them. So thanks for having us again. I love what you're doing your ministry. Kimberly Hobbs 29:28 Thank you Well, and that's what's so beautiful is together. We are empowering women, ladies out there. We love you. And we have a passion because God has called us and this is what Tina and I do together and all of those that are in our ministry serving. We have passion to empower one another and point them to Jesus to be the best leader that you could be wherever you are. Tina happens to specialize in taking those business women and bringing them to another level and incorporating ministry. together with it. And I love that. And that's why I want to continue this relationship. And ladies and women, we're leaders, we have tools for you. And I just want to be certain to remind you, one of the most amazing tools that God has given us to share with the world is voice of truth. It is a publication that comes out every quarter now, and it is free, and it's beautiful. Inside the United States, you can get your color copy of voice of truth magazine, it's like table top quality magazine. And it's 100 pages, full color, all color, all beautiful, but filled with scripture, filled with encouraging you wherever you are in your walk. Whatever struggles you may encounter, it's inside of this. And we are just so happy. Oh, are you you're holding your background. Yeah. For those of you watching on YouTube, Tina is holding up a her color copy of voice of Truth magazine. And we are just so excited. Unknown Speaker 31:08 I love it Kimberly Hobbs 31:09 you with a yes, he's doing so much in and through this. Also, ladies, if you would like your to receive your free copy, if you're not getting it yet, and you are inside the United States, you can email us for your free copy at women world leaders.com. And there's a place in there where you can click on voice of truth and give us your name, address an email address that will not be shared ladies, it is just for women world leaders. And, and then again, we will send it to you and outside the US. You can look up on our website voice of truth and you can read it online as well. As well as all of the past copies of voice of truth. There is so much information in there to help you and encourage you on your daily walk with Jesus. And that's what we're all about ladies. So we'd like to thank you for your time today. I'd love to thank you again Tina Raines for being with us. God bless you in what you do at masterpiece women. God bless you the listener ladies and please join us each Monday, Wednesday and Friday for our different podcasts that we have available through women world leaders, we're here to help you encourage you reach out to us at women world leaders.com And in ways that we might be able to help you further. God bless you all, just remember that it is from his heart to yours that we are here. All content is copyrighted and cannot be used without expressed written consent. God bless you and have a beautiful week. Thank you. Thank you, Tina.
From misplaced to placed in the hands of God. Our guest today comes to us from Australia. Danielle Gibbons speaks out about what led her to become an atheist - feeling she was misplaced in life and God was nowhere to be found. Hear how God reached Danielle and loved her when she needed Him most. This story is powerful and will touch your heart. ******* Kimberly Hobbs Thank you Welcome to empowering lives with purpose. And I'm your host, Kimberly Hobbs. I am the founder of Women world leaders. We are so happy that you have decided to tune in today and listen to this podcast with our special guest today. Danielle Gibbons welcome, Danielle. Danielle Gibbons Yes, thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you. Kimberly Hobbs We're so glad to have you sweetie. So our our purpose in being here and empowering lives with purpose is to do just what it says to empower you the listener to help strengthen you inspire you encourage you through some of the stories of some of the guests that we have on and Danielle has a very interesting story and it's going to be powerful at the end. And the title that we chose for it is misplaced to placed in the hands of God. Ladies, we feel that each and every one of us are a masterpiece because God's Word says that we are Ephesians 210 says For we are God's masterpiece created a new and Christ Jesus to do the very good things that he planned for us long ago. He has a plan for each and every one of our lives. We believe that wholeheartedly. And through hearing Danielle's story today, we're going to hear a little bit even though she felt misplaced. She was placed in the hands of God because he had a plan for her life. So I want to tell you a little bit about Danielle before we get started. Danielle is the owner of cherished and found which is an online mentoring practice that helps women overcome the negative beliefs that they tell themselves in order to take action on a god prompting in their life. With her background and customer service and film, and Assistant work. She's able to provide Christ like care for her following on social media and having her own past struggles of life chaos, and her hope found in Christ. It has shaped her passion for helping women that have been in broken situations to know that their identity is rooted in Christ alone and not their past or present circumstances. I love that Danielle. Danielle is an American and married to her wonderful husband Luke who is an Aussie and for five wonderful years. They currently both reside on the Gold Coast of Australia. And she is active in her local church. She enjoys bike rides to the beach and to catch sunrise. I love sunrises and I love God's creation so we share that commonality they're so misplaced to placed in the hands of God. What does that look like? Well, Danielle had a rough childhood and at the age of three, her parents were divorced. They are two completely different parents, a mom who struggled while her father drove fast cars and had access to money and both had influence on her life by Danielle felt felt misplaced because of such differences in their lives. Danielle, can you share a little bit about your story which led up to where you actually denounced Christ and became an atheist. Danielle Gibbons Sure, thank you for letting me share. So when I was when I was three years old, my parents got divorced on the youngest of four and we moved to Michigan and into a trailer park. And growing up we were the Christian kids to the trailer park kids and the Christian church we were the trailer park kids in the church kids and I never felt I never felt connected to either so I had different personas different personalities for each the church kid and the trailer park kid and we had a movie theater nearby our home and back then I don't know if it's still the same now but back then you can go and collect bottles for 10 cents in Michigan and collect those and return them to get money so anytime life got hard and life did get hard i for any eviction notice that we got any power shut off because my mom couldn't keep up with a bill she was doing three or four jobs trying to take care of for kids. And we it seemed like we're always struggling always asking for the handout. Always that charity case. And I remember anytime things got rough Another eviction notice. Family disruptions, we would go my brother and I, my older brother than I would go around, collect bottles, go get money and go to the movies. Because that was our escape. We, I wanted so much to be in Fantasyland. Anytime things got tough, I needed an escape, I needed to be in someone else's story, because I didn't like mine. So I just remember, in my teens in my early teens, 13, is when I started experimenting with drugs and alcohol. And that really separated me more and more more from my church, friends from church and making me feel more of an outcast, because I practiced in a lot of sin. And I remember, I remember age 16, just, you know, from 13, to 16, my, my drinking got worse, the partying got worse, my older sister, she was in college. So I go to college parties with her as being a freshman in high school, I was going to college parties at age 14. And so I started to really hang around people that didn't believe in Christ. And I started to wonder if he's real, why do bad things happen? Why are we living the way we're living? Because I see my mother and her faith and her walk with Jesus. And yet she is tore down every single turn. She can't catch a break it just and as a child, I didn't know any different. That's that's the witness I saw. That's, I didn't see anything different. So I remember we're driving down the road, going 70 miles an hour, on the highway, my sister's driving and a friend of mine in the back who was an atheist and questioning my god, at the time. And her point seems so valid, why why do these? Why do bad things happen? If if we really were living for Christ? Wouldn't our situation be different? So at that moment, I said, you know, I don't believe in God. He doesn't exist, because if he did, he would bring me out of the situation. And I remember so well, because at that moment, one of our tires blew. And we had to pull over and from age 16 to 22. Did everything so Oh, oh, Kimberly Hobbs that is I actually had chills when you said that. You know, it is such a scary time. But we know, so many young people face that, you know, they put there's questions constantly as they look around this world of Is God real? Is he really there? I mean, that movie they put out God's Not Dead. Oh, my goodness, you know, because so many struggle with this. So you denounce Christ. I mean, as shocking as that is, you know, you you said I'm going to become an atheist and you, you started walking down that road and things got worse. And, ladies, maybe you can relate to this. Maybe you were there at one point in your life. But the Bible tells us about whoever denies Me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. This is a serious situation here. But God was getting your attention even through that. Danielle you are his from the time you were born. Ladies, we are all we belong to God from the time we are born. And but we have choices to make, right? So you started to smoke, you started to drink. You tried to escape from movies, and you were living that masquerade life. You told me like in our private conversations, you you were all about the Masquerade. And then one day, you go to church in LA, and you start searching for God again. Can you talk about now like what that looked like? Because you were misplaced? You still weren't back but you started searching for God. And so let's talk about being misplaced and searching for God. Danielle Gibbons Sure, so at this part of my story, I have to fast or rewind a bit. I had placed my hope and becoming big in Hollywood. I wanted to become a famous movie star. So I had the opportunity to move out to LA and do the starving artists life. I'd sold everything real big hippie, but my roommate. He was gonna do hair. I was gonna do makeup. He was highly against drugs. So I had to quit my drugs for a season. And in that season, coming off of drugs, moving and having nothing and starting over. That's a lot So I did whatever anyone growing up in church would do to go back to church. And so I, my roommate would take me to reality LA and I think it was Pastor Tim chaddock At the time, and he was preaching on a class, Ecclesiastes 217. And it says this. So I hated life. Because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me. All of it is meaningless a chasing after the wind. And I just remember sitting there and worship started and I just sat there is, is my hope in becoming a makeup artists and making it big in Hollywood, Hollywood, is that chasing after the wind? Is this really meaningless? So really start to wonder, is this what I meant to be doing? And yeah, what a it's not very much hope in that passage. Is it chasing after the wind? But what it led me to was starting to question and starting to research starting to ask my mother who had been praying for me this whole time. Wow. And she was so excited anytime I called and said, I need prayer or because my mother's prayers worked. I didn't know how to pray myself. Yeah, I asked my mother to pray for me. And she would point me to Scripture, even though we're hard pressed on all the sides, you know, just all of the scripture that really spoke to me because it was I was in this I had finally gotten my dream. And it wasn't what I thought it was, because the hope was misplaced. Kimberly Hobbs Wow. Wow. Ladies, those of you that are moms with maybe teen kids, or even young adults are those that have children wandering that are wayward? Did you hear Danielle's voice? I mean, she almost got choked up because she remembers the prayers of a mother's heart. And she knew that her mom was just so excited when she would call her back saying, you know, please pray for me, mom. So there's hope for your kids. If you're praying, God is not gonna let go of them. And even though Danielle again was denouncing the Lord, he was trying to get her attention. And your hope became restore Danielle, Romans 829, ladies and 30 says, For we, for those whom he for new, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son so that the firstborn among many brothers and sisters, and these whom He predestined, he also called he also justified and these whom He justified, he also glorified. God had you Danielle, from the beginning. ladies who are listening that are wandering God has you from the beginning before you even born and ladies, listen to this verse. As I described, God has you Jeremiah one five says, I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb, before you were born, I set you apart, I appointed you as a prophet to the nation's Danielle, here you are speaking sharing your testimony God appointed you. And hope is the most practical power in the world, and to be placed in the hands of Jesus through seeking Him gave you hope, Danielle? So you went from that misplace child back and forth from two different types of parents wondering where do I go? What am I running after? am I chasing the wind? God gave you hope. And knowing he forgives ladies, when we know the God of the universe will forgive you for everything. It gives us hope. And hope is found in true forgiveness. And you can overcome anything discouragement and depression and erodibility. And all the things that Danielle was facing, she was able to overcome with with that hope. So, Danielle, when you were alone and misplaced, and you were full of grief, let's go back to that moment. Okay, you felt oppression? And can you describe leaving the desert that you were wandering in for so long to the faith in Jesus that you now have as your Savior? Can you talk about that? Danielle Gibbons Sure. So I immediately as soon as I went to LA it seemed like I immediately left LA and I moved back to Florida. And my hope was crushed because that is what I truly put my hope in was the the thought of of being making it big the big artist and in house Would, silly as it is, but that was the hope. So because I was shattered, I had moved in to a friend's house who she was helping her mother at the time. So I was completely alone. I was in a different part of the area, so I wasn't around any family. And it seemed like, I had taken five steps forward when I moved out to LA, and 20 steps backwards when I moved back to Florida. So I started picking up drugs again. And I'm going over the cycle and I, I'm feeling a lot of shame and grief, why can't I break this cycle? It seemed like everyone had their lives figured out. And here I am age 22. And I'm ready, I'm ready to, I'm ready to give up. The thought of going through another day seemed too hard. I was still paying rent in LA and trying to rebuild a life in Florida and I needed money. So I don't you probably don't know this. But a lot of times, it's courtesy to smoke out with your drug dealer as they deal to you. So the drug dealers over at my place, and we get high and I start just unloading all of my problems to him, like any good girl would. And I'm telling him how I just need money. And so he had a solution. He said, You know what, Daniel, I have a lot of girls working for me, you can be one of my girls, you can start dealing for me. And I said, That's a great idea. I need extra cash, I'm still paying rent in LA, I'm trying to, because I had sold everything. I went did the hippie thing. And I sold everything and I moved out there. And it was shattered. And so the drug dealer left, Unknown Speaker and I just broke. I was broke. I remember going to the kitchen floor, Danielle Gibbons in fetal position and just crying, the big, biggest ugliest cry, you can imagine I just start crying. I said God, I said God, or Jesus, I think as a Jesus, I obviously don't know what I'm doing with my life. Word obviously, I remember I obviously don't know what I'm doing with my life. So I surrender it. I give it all to you, whatever you want me to do, I will do it. And after I said those words, and I've heard this because I grew up in church, I've heard the testimony before I've heard it just clicked. Never, ever had it just click than it did in that moment. As soon as I said those words, it was like a head to toe piece of feeling a sensation. And that's when I truly felt like I was filled with the Holy Spirit. Because I stopped crying in that moment I got up I dusted myself off. And that's it was like a new purpose. A new mission was placed on mine heart, A New Hope. I no longer needed hope in what the world had to offer. I had the hope and Christ that no matter what I'm doing what he wants me to do. Kimberly Hobbs Amen. Amen. And, and that is when you bowed your knee to the Lord Jesus Christ, and accepted him as your personal Lord and Savior. And wow, what a story and again, he knew you before you were born, and he was not letting go of you. And that moment, I mean, that gave me chills when it got so close to almost selling yourself to that drug dealer and just, you know, accepting that, but God said no. And at that moment, something happened that you cried out to Him praise God. And ladies out there listening, you may be reliving something in your life right now because you're identifying with Danielle and you know that again, is that purpose that we want to share and empower you don't give up. You know, God is getting your attention whether it be even listening to this podcast right now. He's getting your attention. Danielle, you are now healed and restored and renewed in Jesus Christ. And that is like the best news ever. And ladies out there, he wants you healed in his name. He wants you renewed in the name of Jesus. God is not going to let go of you ladies. And he tells us when we need help to come back to him. He is the only way. And Danielle you knew that from a praying mother's heart. And one that was taking you to church and Proverbs. What is it 22 Six that says Train up a child and the way he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from it. So those of you that have those children that are floundering guys It says train them up. Young women out there train your child up right now because he's gonna face she's gonna face things in this world. We don't know what, but God will bring them back just like he brought Danielle back. And he says come back to the place of safety, all you who still have hope. I promise this very day I pay two blessings for each of your troubles that Zechariah 912. He lifts you out of the pit of despair that Psalm 42 He lifted you out of that pit that you were in Danielle, Psalm 40 Verse two ladies as a good one. He set your feet on solid ground and studies at you as you walk along. And that's what Danielle is going through. Now he studies her she's surrendered her life to Jesus and He is studying her feet as she walks along. Does God say it's always going to be easy? No, we all face struggles. As we go through life, even those of us that know Jesus, because there's things in our path constantly that the devil is trying to trip us up with. But God is the source of your hope. Danielle, God is the source of your hope to your listener and will fill you with joy and peace as you complete. He will fill you with joy and peace completely as you trust in Him. That's Romans 1513. So Danielle, all these ladies that are listening right now they need hope they need that hope restored. So can you please leave these women with a word of encouragement when they're feeling misplaced? How they can be placed back in the hands of Jesus. Danielle Gibbons Feeling very grateful right now. My encouragement to you is to continue to pray. Just continue to pray. He hears you. You are not too far from him. He hears you in your room crying at night, he hears you in the empty parking lot. The empty church parking lot. He hears you. He hears you every moment. Jeremiah 2920 13 says, then you will call on me and come and pray to Me and I will listen to you. You will see. Find me when you seek me with all your heart. John 1027 through 28 says, My sheep, My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow Me. Verse 28 says, I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand. He was for 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time in time of need. He hears you. i If you're wondering right now, if you're praying empty prayers, if you're wondering right now will Will I ever see the fruit of my toil? What is this? Why am I feeling like this is meaningless. It's not meaning he hears you. And what you're going through right now, if it's a season of wandering, if it's dry, like the desert, he hears you, he's preparing you he's sending you out, you are called and he's sending you out. But you need that time of preparation. So I just want to encourage you continue to see Kim and continue to pray. Kimberly Hobbs Amen. Oh, beautifully said Danielle and those scriptures that you chose to share. God says, When you seek me, with all your heart, you will find me. God is there. And he wants you to seek him out. And those scriptures again, I pray that if those touched your heart where you were listening, that you will replay this podcast again, listen to those scriptures and write them down. Put them up around your house so that you don't lose sight of what God's speaking to you right now. Because he won't let you go. If you're feeling misplaced. He will place you back in his arms of love. And he will hold you there. He's not going to let you go ladies. So oh my goodness, Danielle, that's powerful. And your story again, Praise God. Praise God that he took you where you were. And he brought you to where you are now and look at this lovely young woman that loves the Lord with all of her heart is sold out to serving Him. We are just so grateful that you would come and share your testimony with the world Danielle and I am just so thrilled that this young woman down in faith to write and share her story with the world and she is going to be writing in the book this year by women world leaders which is called surrendered, yielded with purpose and We are so grateful we are so grateful for testimonies like this. And ladies, God may you may be listening and you may be have gone through something like Danielle or something completely different. And you are sitting there just chomping at the bit to share your God's story. We want to hear from you. We need these stories to encourage others that are listening. Do you realize that women are listening to these podcasts around the world we are in over 60 countries we are listened to by over 55 platforms around the world. These podcasts are far reaching, and God may be tugging at your heart right now saying share my story with the world because, ladies, it isn't your story. It's a story God has given you. And He wants you to share it. So please pray about that. And reach out to us at women world leaders.com. Or info at women world leaders.com. And leave us your name and address and email address. And we'll get back to you for sure. We want to hear your story. We want you to be a part of what God is doing here. And again, I want to just say thank you to Danielle for sharing what God put on your heart today. And is there any final word you'd like to say to the ladies before we close out? Danielle Gibbons Just approach. Write down everything that he's done for you thus far, and go back to the heroes of faith. And know you can be comforted that fellow Christians around the world are feeling or maybe feeling the same way you feel in this moment. And then we can look to the heroes of faith. So just continue, continue to have the faith and write down what he's done for you and just be gracious and have that heart of gratitude. Because that's how I feel almost every day. I'm just so grateful. Kimberly Hobbs Amen, amen. And I want to just confirm that that is something that I do every day to even when I get tired and I start to grumble about things. I turn it into praise and gratitude. And God turns my day around, I thank him and think of all the things that you're thankful for. It will turn your day around your heart around. And just remember those words, have a grateful heart, praise him in the storm. Praise Him in the storm of your life. Ladies, one more thing I'd love to share with you is that those that may be watching or listening for the first time to this podcast. 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So ladies, we want to help you in whatever ways we can women, world leaders to come alongside you and encourage you and just walk with you. So there are many ways that you can get involved within this ministry please just reach out to us and we are grateful to have this time together and we're gonna close it out and I just again want to thank our guests Danielle Gibbons, and Danielle Do you want to share your Facebook group that people could find you? Danielle Gibbons Sure sure. So you can find me at cherished and found on Instagram and Facebook. I mainly use my platform by Instagram and that ch e r i s h e d a n d f o u n d cherished and found because you are so cherished and you were found by him. Kimberly Hobbs He man there you go. Thank you so much Danielle and we are so grateful that you are now part of women world leaders that you are joining the journey with us and look for her ladies. She is going to be in the next edition the second quarter of voice of truth. 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Unknown Speaker 0:00 What is going on spiritual dope, I'm here today to chat up with you a little bit about the follow up the follow up from the email that was sent out the other day, then the podcast, both of them were titled, doesn't ask doesn't get. And in this email and the podcast, I've mentioned a couple different tools that I tried out right, a couple of different tools that I've read about a couple of different tools that I actually went ahead and implemented. Right. But the bullet talked about how there was some fear in there how there was some, it was definitely scary. Unknown Speaker 0:44 Because there's really no reason why actually, because you're afraid that maybe you don't, you're not going to say the right thing, maybe you lose an audience member to or maybe nobody responds at all right, there's a whole bunch of different outcomes, that that are possible Unknown Speaker 1:01 that you don't want to happen. And you're kind of attached. And this is, this is another thing that attachment to is suffering type of thing. You're kind of almost more attached to this terrible outcome that's possible, as an attachment that does lead to suffering, because you're attached to your fears, so you don't let them go. And you continue to let them drag you down, and stand in the way of, I think real knowledge and real experience, that's a pipe with that close, it's a real experience, because knowledge in terms of being subjective. And in the experience, at any rate, y'all motherfuckers went ahead and left me some nice reviews. And I really do appreciate that. You know, here's the deal. Unknown Speaker 1:54 You know, it, I had to overcome some fears, right, I had to embrace the potential pain. And I had to get out of my comfort zone. And I think the coolest thing is, is that Unknown Speaker 2:08 when you actually implement some of these tools, they actually work for you. Right, just like they're supposed to whether or not the execution is flawless, always questionable. Always questionable, but I want to say thanks to read a couple of them that came in through here. So thanks to one of them. Ryan, thanks for your review, five star review. This is his title, antidote and insight. Because this is the exact lead the kind of conversation the world needs a no nonsense exploration and indulgence into meaningful and enriching aspects of life that don't get serious and thoughtful attention in other places. This is a podcast to come to let your intrigue release and your to, to let your intrigue release and your curiosity fly, all hosted by a genuinely interested and invested host that learns alongside you, I love it. And listen, I want to I want to actually address that very thing for a moment. I don't fucking know everything, right, as as much as, as much as I do know, I do know, it doesn't mean I know everything. And I want to highlight that Unknown Speaker 3:21 in Unknown Speaker 3:23 you know, we'll call our client, you know, somebody that I've been working with somebody that's been coming to the breathwork sessions, somebody that has had an awakening experience due to the Breathworks sessions, which is another story in of itself, and just completely mind blowing, that I get to facilitate that type of thing and assist people on their journey. Unknown Speaker 3:47 But she reached out to me with a question on on chakras and her third eye. And Unknown Speaker 3:55 I didn't have an answer. And I thought, you know, maybe I could I could give some type of reflection on what it meant to me, but reminded me of just another tool that I had used myself and had tremendous returns on on usage. And so, instead of trying to provide an answer, you know, trying to be the guy that knew everything. I said, Hey, you know what? Unknown Speaker 4:22 I was like, I'm not I'm not a third eye expert. Unknown Speaker 4:26 So I really don't know what to tell you on that. But what I can suggest that you give a shot you try is why not go ahead and maybe write the question out to the universe. Right? Say, Dear universe, what's up at the start? I shit I don't know what's happening. And that led her down, down, you know, a couple other curves, but she found the answers Unknown Speaker 4:51 that worked for her through that process. And so super, super exciting to say I don't have all the answers. Unknown Speaker 5:00 Now what I do have are a number of tools that have been used for probably throughout like the duration of humanity, you know, we put new spins on it here and there. And we maybe we leverage them in different ways than then they were used before. Like I said, you know, sending that question out to the universe, you know, and trust, you know, that's kind of one of those ideas of let go and let God and trusting in the universe. Unknown Speaker 5:30 So I was really excited to see that work for her and being able to share a tool like that for her and at the same time being like, I don't have the answer for you. But I know how you might be able to get one. So Ryan, thanks again for the review. Definitely appreciate it. Appreciate your support and our conversations. Unknown Speaker 5:52 Another five star review from Mike Iaconelli Mike, Mike's a great guy. You know, he's got some great things going on for him. If you haven't checked them out, Mike. I'm Ellie. He was on the podcast early early on. Mike let's five star reviews as I love the depth of topics, Brandon pursues. I love this podcast so much. I'd been a fan of the topics Brandon was bringing forward and was eventually a guest on the show. I've done a lot of podcast interviews in my career. And this was easily one of my favorites. There's no topic that's too out there, or woowoo. For Brandon. Yeah, he brings this really normalizing and grounding energy to everything he brings on the show. For our spiritual seekers, this podcast is in valuable, like man, Mike, Mike was such a such a blast. And we had such a really nice report on the podcast. And, you know, the energy that he brought was, it was infectious, right? Sometimes, sometimes you just really strike that balance on a show, and it works out. Now, I'm not reading these. For the validation, I'm not reading these and expecting them for the validation of whether or not I'm doing a good job. I Unknown Speaker 7:09 I wanted to break through a barrier of my own, I wanted to get out of my head and put something into action. Unknown Speaker 7:17 And that's what I did. Unknown Speaker 7:20 And the bonuses, I got results. And that's so awesome. Right, I think that that's really some of the key stuff. And, you know, just lets me know who some of the people are that I'm talking to, lets me see what some of their thoughts are. Like I said, you know, Ryan, and Mike here, I've got a couple other ones I'll share with us as we come along. Unknown Speaker 7:45 But I got results. I also mentioned that, you know, hey, you may remove yourself from the list. And you know what, those are types of things that maybe we be afraid of in the past, but also understanding and already knew, already knew Unknown Speaker 8:00 that Unknown Speaker 8:02 I may lose somebody anytime you send, like an email. So maybe it just, it just may not be that day and the person like you know, remove yourself from their list and like, Unknown Speaker 8:11 use something doesn't matter. Like I'm still I'm still not at the point where there's like, not a lot like I know who these people are, right? We've had real interactions. I'm like, What did I say on my list that like nobody wants to? Unknown Speaker 8:24 What did I say? Right? Unknown Speaker 8:26 And so there was some people that removed themselves. And I knew that would happen. And that's okay. Right. They've got other things they're attending to, and God bless them for pinging, so vigilant with their, with their emails. And so, you know, the results were kind of along the lines of what I could expect, in terms of people, you know, I think there was like a 2% Unknown Speaker 8:54 You know, actual response rate, which is kind of how emails are you get so many out there. So for you to even read my email, thank you. For you to actually take action on that. Wow. That's I mean, to me, that's, again, that's, that's above and beyond, because there's so much coming at you to even be able to take that time to leave a review is super meaningful to me. And that means for me that this is meaningful for you. So the follow up, I just want to share some of this stuff with you. And you know, for for the listeners out there that Unknown Speaker 9:28 have their own fears, who are going through their own things and know there's some things that they'd like to try out, but they're afraid. Just Unknown Speaker 9:38 don't give I've got other things I'm afraid of that I haven't tried for, right. I've got other things that are, you know, beyond the initial comfort zone that sooner or later I'll get home. But even the smallest things such as this email Unknown Speaker 9:54 that I sent out in the podcast and the request and taking action on that it's meaning Unknown Speaker 10:00 Full of my own life, and it shows me just how much more how much further I can go. If I try and I use this as something to share with you, right? Unknown Speaker 10:11 It could, I don't know what your small fear is right? I don't know what your fears, I hate to diminish it by calling it small. I don't know what your fear is. Unknown Speaker 10:19 I don't know what your worry is, I don't know what your walls are, that are keeping you from the life that you really want. But I do know that when you actually take action on some of these things that Unknown Speaker 10:33 you read about, when you're trying to do your best life, Unknown Speaker 10:38 and you implement some of this stuff, and you try it out, you get results. And there's no two ways about it, you're going to get a result, maybe not the exact one that you were looking for, maybe not one that you were looking for at all, oh my god, I would where's the book, I have another book. You know, I was reading and I'm really enjoying it. It's a gentleman I'm gonna have on the show soon. But the book was something along the lines of Unknown Speaker 11:06 let go of the expectation, let go of the perceived Unknown Speaker 11:12 outcome, right, and kind of do these things in alignment with who you are, and the outcome. Unknown Speaker 11:20 You'll kind of again, trust and let go into that. And that's what I did with this. And I kind of you know, hope for that experience for you. Right, I look for that experience for you Unknown Speaker 11:31 to do some things with ease and joy and you know, in alignment with who you are that jazz again, follow up. Thank you for checking it out. If you hadn't checked out the email that you may have gotten, you know, again, doesn't ask doesn't get and did a podcast the very same. It was one right before this. Take it easy, and oh, hey, listen. Oh my god. I didn't know my website was all jacked up. I was getting it, getting it updated doing some work on it. So if you go to the site, and it's kind of all jacked up my bad had no idea that was going on. I am glad that I reached out to somebody to get some work done and went to the site and saw that it wasn't responding. Talk about mortifying. Anyways, spiritual dope. I'll talk to you later. Transcribed by https://otter.ai
In this episode, Jessica Van Cleave (QR SIG Chair), Alexandra Panos (Program Co-chair), and Cassie Quigley (Program Co-Chair) preview the Qualitative Research SIG's program for the AERA 2022 conference. They share about the business meeting, the conference hybrid format, tips for having a successful conference, and much more. Below are helpful conference links and the transcript of the conversation. QR SIG AERA 2022 Program in Google Doc form: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tP3sxCO91cc-qGYpw876t8adf1L_K1fy0cA2WsrP0DA/editAERA video training for presenters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKfPWsLcI0cJessica Van Cleave 0:20 Welcome to qualitative conversations the podcast of the qualitative research Special Interest Group at AERA. I'm Jessica Van Cleave, the chair of the QR SIG, and I'm happy to be joined today by Cassie Quigley and Alex Panos, our program co-chairs. In this episode, we preview the QR SIG's program for the 2022 AERA annual meeting, discuss what members can expect from the hybrid format, and highlight opportunities to connect for QRC graduate students and members. Dr. Cassie Quigley is an associate professor of science education and Chair in the Department of teaching, learning and leading at the School of Education at the University of Pittsburgh. She received her doctorate doctorate in Curriculum and Instruction at Indiana University in 2010. Dr. Quigley's his expertise in qualitative research is focused on methodologies that center the participants such as community based methodologies, using data collection methods such as photo methods. In the past 11 years, she has published over 50 articles and book chapters focused on these methods, including in journals such as the International Journal of qualitative studies and education, qualitative inquiry, the Journal of mixed methods research. She also co authored a book on STEAM education titled An educators guide to STEAM education, which is published by teachers college press. She has presented her qualitative work at numerous conferences both nationally and internationally. Additionally, she serves as a program co chair of the American Educational Research Association's Qualitative Research Special Interest Group. She teaches qualitative research methodology courses on topics such as participatory action, research, validity and reliability for qualitative work and ethics around educational research. Cassie is completing her three year term as program co chair this year, and she's done an incredible job during this unusual and ever changing time for eight era and the annual meeting. I'm so grateful for her service and dedication and putting together meaningful programs over the past three years and she will be missed on the executive committee. Alexandra Panos is an assistant professor of literacy studies and affiliate faculty and measurement and research in the College of Education at the University of South Florida. She earned her doctorate in literacy, language and culture education with a minor in inquiry methodology at Indiana University Bloomington in 2018. Dr. Panos takes an interdisciplinary stance in her work as a critical qualitative methodologist and grounds her theoretical methodological and empirical work. In her substantive field of literacy studies. She has published numerous articles and book chapters that focus on the critical environmental and spatial dimensions of qualitative methodologies of literacy studies. Most recently, she has served as senior guest editor on a special issue focusing on the spatial dimensions have taken for granted qualitative research practices related to masking and anonymization published in the International Journal of qualitative studies and education. We are fortunate to have Alex remain as a program co chair one more year to complete her three year term after the 2023 annual meeting. So what we wanted to start by talking about is the fact that the annual meeting this year is hybrid. And this is the first time that AERA has has held the meeting in hybrid format. So how has that impacted the program? And what can attendees expect? Um, overall, that means that some of our sessions are going to be in person, and some of them are going to be virtual. And the virtual sessions are going to be accessible through Passable, which is the platform that Ara has hired this year and contracted with to provide the virtual conference experience. The in person sessions are going to look just like in person sessions have always looked at AERA. And so members can anticipate either attending sessions if they have registered for the in person or place based meeting, or I'm logging on to the Passable platform and attending via zoom, kind of similar platform. It's kind of zoom embedded within passable in order to access the virtual sessions. And then as happened last year, poster presentations are going to be provided in the virtual gallery that will be accessible both through the passable platform and the eight year website in our virtual gallery. Alexandra Panos 4:41 One thing to add to that, Jessica, sorry, I cut you off. I was just going to add that the play space participants can access the virtual platform space so for them it really is hybrid. But if you're a virtual, you can't access all playspace sessions. There are some that will be made available and streamed live through passable as well.Jessica Van Cleave 5:08 That's right, Alex. Yeah. So So depending on how you register, you're going to have access to different types of sessions. If you are in the playspace session, you'll have access to all of the various sessions. So I'm Cassie, can you give us an overview of the QR sync program? How many sessions there are and what kind of topics that attendees can expect to find?Cassie Quigley 5:30 Yeah, absolutely. We're really excited. And thank you all for your, you know, your work in the QR SIG. We will have seven in person paper or symposium sessions, we will have four virtual sessions that are paper or symposium sessions, one virtual business meeting, so hope to see you there and one in person mentoring session. So for the mentoring session, a folks who are participating have already received that information. And this is a closed session. But if you're interested in learning more, or joining this session next year, this is an annual event and you can contact them mentoring committee chair, Kelly Guyette. We have other exciting opportunities for mentorship as well, including mentor mentee office hours, we're so fortunate to have so many committed mentors, we thank them for their time and service to the QR SIG. And, Alex, do you want to just talk to us a little bit about the process for reviewing and accepting submissions? And what kind of things we tend to take into account as we're doing this work?Alexandra Panos 6:38 Yeah, definitely. Cuz he, um, so every year, the call goes out after after the conference. And then as program coaches, we wait for submissions, and look forward to receiving them. When we get submissions through the platform. We review each submission to be sure that they're complete, that they are a good fit for our SIG that there aren't any anonymization issues with those. And then we go on to invite reviewers who have expertise in the area of each proposal. So we've read each proposal, we invite reviewers to join us and thinking about those and give us their expert feedback. This is one of the reasons why we so value our SIG member reviewers, you are so essential to this process. I don't think Cassie and I could explain that enough. If you want to review in the future. Just a quick note, it's really helpful to indicate your areas of expertise using the keyword feature when you sign up to review. Because after we get the submissions when we review them, we make matches based on folks expertise. And once those reviews are returned, after a lot of hard work by reviewers, we carefully go through them looking at both the quantitative and qualitative feedback that each reviewer provides to determine which papers to accept. This year, we had fewer places, fewer allocated sessions and papers than we have in past year. So we definitely had to make a lot of difficult decisions. But as we process all the information we have available, we really take into account the reviews of these of the experts we invite to join us in this process, which includes three reviewers and one graduate student reviewer. And another thing about the system: how we access things. So we work on that back end system of AERA, which please sign up to review next year using that system. But it's a little different than the actual access to the conference system. So Jessica, I know you've been attending a lot of trainings on this. I wonder if you can share a little bit about how members can access the sessions that they want to attend through the political platform.Jessica Van Cleave 8:57 Yeah, absolutely. Alex, thank you. So if you are in San Diego, then the way that you attend sessions that are placed based in San Diego is you just go to them. So that is the easy part. Right? That's what we're used to doing. That is what's familiar back in the olden days of 2019. That is how we used to attend AERA, that option is still available and it's fantastic. So, if you have registered for the place based session, then that is how you will attend in person sessions. Now if you are a virtual registrant, you cannot attend to those playspace sessions. AERA is not planning to stream or record place-based sessions except for a select few as Alex mentioned earlier, like the Presidential sessions and things like that. Otherwise, the in person face to face playspace sessions are only accessible by those who are in San Diego attending the conference. If you are in San Diego, you can also attend the virtual sessions are obviously if you're a virtual registered, then you'll be attending those virtual sessions as well or presenting in that platform. And the way that you will access those sessions is through the passable platform. So, invitations we have been told should be going out the week of March 28. Once you get an invitation to the passable platform, you will create a profile. And from that platform, you'll be able to view your own presentations, add items to your schedule and create your your serve AERA personalized experience through that platform. You must register for the meeting to gain access either as a presenter or as a participant, we've been told that there are some things in place that make it so that those virtual sessions can only be accessed through the platform. And then within the platform, they host a zoom. So that will look familiar. Accessing virtual sessions will look like the kinds of virtual sessions we've been accessing and hosting ourselves for the last couple of years. So all of the the interfaces interactions, and what it looks like will be very familiar to us. And that same opportunity to share your screen and use presentation tools and software that you can use in zoom will be available through passable. So AERA has a lot of additional information, as well as specific trainings both for presenters and exhibitors and chairs that can be found on their website. And we'll include some links in the description to the podcast so that you can access those directly. If you have some, some specific questions, or you want to go through the process and see what it looks like prior to getting your invitation. AERA has also told us that based on those trainings and the questions that were asked during the sessions, they're putting together an FAQ to support members in accessing. And again, virtual sessions can be accessed by registrants who are placed based or virtual. And except for key sessions in person sessions can only be accessed for members who are registered for the in person meeting and they won't be streamed. So that's that's sort of how we can get there. We'll be finding out more information. And once the platform launches, and we receive those invitations, we'll be working on putting together some some access and information for our members to that we'll be sending out through the listserv. So I'm one of the things that we do at the annual meeting, in addition to our content sessions, is our business meeting. Cassie, can you talk to us a little bit about what members can expect if they attend the business meeting?Amy Stich 12:42 Yeah, we're really excited for the business meeting. And that business meetings on Saturday, April 23, and it will begin at 6pm. Pacific Time, the agenda will include a welcome from our president and then moving on to acknowledgement for for the work. And then we move into some committee and activity reports from our various committees, which is just a really nice way to kind of learn more about the QR SIG. And also here, what we've been doing over the last year. Then we have the Outstanding Dissertation reward award. And then the Egon G Guba. Award, we will announce as well. And we will end right around seven just after 7pm Pacific Time, you do not need to register for the business meeting. It is open to all members. And this will be a virtual event which so then it's open to both people who are in person in San Diego and have registered for the virtual events. So we're really looking forward to seeing you all there. It's a wonderful event to learn ways to get involved. And also just learn more about the work that we've been doing over the last year. So we're really looking forward to seeing you all there. Um, Alex, what suggestions do you have for members who might be curious about ways to navigate AERA program and take advantage of our exciting sessions and I'm thinking particularly if I'm a new member to the QR SIG, or this is the first time I'm attending AERA can be a little overwhelming.Unknown Speaker 14:22 Oh my goodness. Yes, Ara is a very large space with more sessions than it's possible to imagine sometimes it feels like so one of the ways that's really helpful, and why I love being a member of the QR SIG or other units in AERA is that it can create. If you take a lens of a sig or a division as a unit. To navigate AERA you have an ability to create a more personalized program based on your areas of interest and expertise. The kinds of scholarly conversations you want to be a part of. So when you're in the, the program itself, when you log into all academic or into the patible program, there should be searchable tools for you. So you can search by someone's name, like you really want to see a specific scholar and you want to talk to that person. But you can also search by unit. And when you search by unit, you have opportunities to search by SIG or by division. And so we of course, recommend that you go check out the QR SIG, and its program but you can also search and other units. So for us qualitative, folks, division D is another wonderful place to look because those are also all methodology conversations over there. And they have lots of qualitative conversations to be had there. So I just always recommend that you really think about the scholarly conversations you want to be a part of, and you find ways to streamline your exploration in in that way. But I think becoming a member of a SIG means that you are already like kind of like aware of things that are happening and you are trying to be a part of that scholarly conversation in a particular area, such as our area of qualitative research. So Jessica, will you share a little bit about how folks might join us in the QR SIG? Jessica Van Cleave 16:29 Absolutely, yeah. So to become a member of the QR SIG, and obviously, we hope all of our listeners are either existing members or will soon join us. When you get your Ara member membership or renew, you have the opportunity to select divisions and sigs that you want to be a part of. So if you go to that very, very, very long listing of SIGs and scroll down to Q and select qualitative research special interest group, you're a member. So you add that at the time of your initial membership or at the time of your renewal. And you can actually go back and add memberships to divisions and SIGs. If later on you decide that this is really a community of scholars that you want to be a part of, you don't have to wait until the next year you can join the QR SIG or any SIG at any time. For us and the QR SIG. We have an active listserv. So one of the member, one of the benefits of becoming a member is that you will receive emails periodic periodically that are specific to our membership. Those kinds of emails to the listserv include opportunities for connecting with other members. They include mentorship opportunities, publication opportunities, workshop, workshops, ideas, or invitations to submit to our newsletter and other kinds of things, calls for special issues related to qualitative research. We often have job opportunities, and interesting ways to connect and really become part of our community to join le
From self-centered to more of a self-less life through God's direction, our guest Stacy Thomas has learned to be bold and courageous in sharing her faith. Step out of your comfort zone and step into an ability to share your faith as Joshua 1:9 commands. Be bold and courageous. ***** Kimberly Hobbs Welcome to empowering lives with purpose. And I'm your host, Kimberly Hobbs. I am the founder of Women world leaders. Ladies, we are so grateful that you have decided to join us today. And we would love to welcome our guests today. Who is Stacy Thomas from? Where are you from stays in my city Beach, Florida Animos city, I knew it was Florida. I just forgot this the city. So welcome, Stacy. Stacy Thomas Thank you for inviting me. I'm really appreciative. Kimberly Hobbs Oh, you're appreciative that you're here. So, ladies, it's all about sharing our stories to encourage each other what God has done in and through our lives. That is who we are at women, world leaders, we want to come beside you encourage you empower you, strengthen, strengthen you through the power of the Word of God. We believe that he is working in you giving you the desire and power to do what pleases Him. That's actually a scripture from Philippians 213. And what does God say in Revelations 1211, he says that they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And we believe that by sharing our testimonies that we can overcome him which is the enemy of our lives, and we share our testimonies and oh my goodness, what comes out of it is just amazing. And others can relate and, and help you know draw their relationship closer to the Lord as well. So, so ladies, we are so happy to have you and I just want to share a little bit about Stacey before. She shares a little bit about her story with you because today we're going to talk about being bold and courageous. And Stacey is a wife and a mother of three and she's been a pediatric occupational therapist for 27 years and is currently serving in the level three NICU unit. Stacy served as the ministry leader at her local Celebrate Recovery for seven years. She has assisted with establishing community based nonprofit ministries such as backport blessings and protect our preemies. Stacy has multiple publications in a local Christian magazine ad and has co published in the APTA professional research journal. Stacey enjoys spending time traveling with her husband visiting her children hiking and outdoor activities. And one of her scripture verses that is special to her is Psalm 91 Two, which says He is my refuge, my fortress, my God in him will I trust. So as I was sharing, ladies, today, we're going to talk about being bold and courageous. And if you're anything like me, I had a difficult time because I have always felt unworthy and worthy to talk out and share about my faith. Because of my past. And I know in speaking with Stacey, her and I shared some of the same past and that just lacking confidence. But Joshua one nine says, Have I not commanded you be strong and courageous, be bold, do not be afraid. And Tracy was an only child growing up. So she was in this kind of self absorbed place. But after growing in the Lord in him intervening in her life, he has taken her from this self centered place to now being more selfless. It's this growth process that we all need to go through. And she is learning how to be a selfless human being. And today Stacey is going to share a little bit about in her story about how God has drawn her closer to him. Stacey, can you share about that a little bit? Stacy Thomas Thank you, Kimberly. Yeah, just to give you a little background, I, like Kimberly said was born and only child to very young parents who were on their way to college and life changed quickly for them because of that decision. And through a difficult delivery. Long story short, I ended up having some difficulties and was later diagnosed with cerebral palsy. So mild case but still have some challenges with my physical abilities. I always did well in school, and really learn to overcompensate there with my grades trying to meet the demands of fitting in. So over the years of being an only child and my parents were working and going to school, I learned to become more self sufficient. And I never really had to be challenged in any way with confrontation because there were no siblings to have confrontation with. And I guess I could say I was probably a fairly easy child, I didn't have much conflict with my parents growing up. So I grew up believing that I was in control, and that I was independent, and that I could do whatever needed to be done. And I carried that into my adulthood. I knew who Jesus was, but I did not have a relationship with him growing up in high school friends, who went to church would invite me I would go, but honestly speaking, it was more for the socialization, and just being able to fit in somewhere than it truly was about making myself a relationship with Jesus. went away to college, five hours away, no cell phones, and I was large and in charge of my own life and not doing it very well. Really kind of let go of some morals that my parents had instilled in me and being a number one party school, University of Florida, tended to hang up those morals and just do everything I could to fit in with the people around me. So over time, after marriage, and having kids and my children really were the gifts that God gave me, that made me want to have a closer relationship with God, because I wanted them to. And that's what really kind of led me to start going to church and pursuing God a little bit more. But even on the Wednesdays, and Sundays that I was there and serving, I still kept a Unknown Speaker wall up Stacy Thomas between me and had a lot of expectation on others had a fairly critical spirit on me and, and didn't give a lot of grace at that time. And so God began talking to me about that in my late 30s. So that's kind of in a nutshell. And Kimberly Hobbs and I know through our conversation, Stacy and talking to you, you are sharing about that time where God started speaking to you and listening to podcasts, which we know are very helpful. Ladies, these podcasts are so helpful to us, aren't they, and I am just so grateful for them. Please pray for us as we do these podcasts. But you were listening to podcasts in your life, Stacy, and God was speaking to you. And then you are also sharing how you did a study in the zekiel. And one of the words that was jumping out at you as the word telling. And Ezekiel was talking about that in his book about being telling to be bold, and stand up and speak up, instead of being full of pride and talking from a self centered place. How did you do that? Stacy? How did he do this through you? Stacy Thomas Well, God led me to a ministry called Celebrate Recovery about 10 years ago, and my church had started it. I was one of those people that said, I'm not one of those people. And finally, God just led me there really, truly with a desire to fix my marriage and fix my husband. But God showed me that that was not my job. And hey, let's look at these things in your heart a little bit. So after some time doing the steps there and realizing that I had some hurts that I needed to deal with, and some anger to deal with. The Lord led me through that and to a much healthier place. And since then, my studies have included podcasts have included small groups. And recently, last year, he said, I want you to study zekiel And I said, God, what? And so I kind of pushed back in my old Stacy way of pushing back from things and sat on it for a bit. And then this past month podcast that I listened to started a lit study on a zekiel. And I realized, Okay, God, you put me up this put this before me again. So I was obedient and began to study on the podcast. And yes, I had no idea what Ezekiel looked like for my life, but he has opened my eyes to realizing that he's not putting me out into the world to fix people, like I have done in my job that's been a requirement as an occupational therapist is to fix the injury, fix the development of the child, whatever it may be, but that my role as a Christian is not to fix people, but to tell people who he is and the love that He has for others. And for me And so I'm learning a new habit of just being able to go out and share and not have to be a scholar in the word not have to be a Theo theology, but use my testimony, use my story, use my experiences, to show people how much God loves us, and how much his purpose for us is for good, but also for the kingdom and helping others come to know who he is. Kimberly Hobbs That's so true, so true. And thank you, I am so grateful that God impressed upon your heart, that you needed to turn things around and to start to speak truth into people in the place that God has brought you. And you are now doing that inside the NICU unit. And God brings you to women that are there. There's reasons why some of these babies are born. So premature, and there are problems associated with those children. And sometimes the the pregnancies and it gives you the ability to speak truth into their lives. And I'm just very grateful for that. So out of your place of rejection and different things that you've had to deal with in your life of fear that you can now speak truth into these women who are rejected and afraid. And God gives you these opportunities. So the Bible says when fear a mobilizes us, ladies, like when you are afraid to do something, just as I believe Stacey, in hearing her testimony, was afraid to step out in that faith and to be bold. And to be courageous. The Bible says when fear a mobilizes you to do something, ladies, don't be afraid or discouraged, for the Lord will personally go ahead of you and He will be with you. And he will neither fail you nor abandon you. And that's Deuteronomy 31. Eight. Stacy, can you give us some examples how God embolden you in your career? Like maybe in the NICU? Like do you have a story you could share with us about God giving you that boldness at a certain moment to step out and share about him? Stacy Thomas Oh, wow, there's so many opportunities. First, I want to share a scripture. Second Corinthians one four is kind of the scripture that I stand on now for my work. And it says, who comforts us in all our tribulations so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. And to me that says that he's calling us to use our testimony to help people understand and have hope that they are not alone. In the NICU, I come across mothers who, you know, most women, you know, have an expectation of I'm going to get pregnant, I'm going to carry this baby for 40 weeks, and there's going to be a baby shower, and there's going to be a now there's these baby reveals, and you know, all these fun things that are supposed to happen along the way and pictures and whatnot. And when that baby comes, we're going to spend a couple of days in the hospital, we're going to take them home to the nursery and things are going to be grand, our moms, whether it be because of prematurity or some other medical issue with the babies tend to have to have go to the NICU and have a different experience. And it's an experience where they absolutely have no control over the circumstances that they're facing this little human being that, that we that we take gratefully from God, and in some ways own in our own minds, is has to be at the mercy of the people who were taking care of it at that point. And so we have to bring to them a place of knowing that they can trust us. And how many women and men dads that I've talked to have trust issues. And so it's a very difficult time. So I've been able to use in so many ways, my experience of having cerebral palsy myself and having a developmental delay in my physical ability, being able to tell parents who are facing those worst case scenarios and say, hey, my parents face this too. And they were told I'd never walk. Or I might never walk. But look at me now. And so I'm able to use my visually use and show them that though this looks really grim right now, God took what happened to me, and he turned that into something good. So a perfect example was we had a baby who was born extremely premature. 24 weeks, her biological mother signed her rights away and she became a word of the state who was adopted. She was not doing well. She had a lot of difficulties. She was at the age where she was able to start learning to eat by mouth. And she just had no desire, she really didn't wake up much. And adoptive family was assigned to her, they came up and they immediately wanted to hold her. within 24 hours, we saw that baby turn around. Within eight hours, we saw that babies start to eat. And we were able to talk about how the love and affection that that family gave her. And the trust that they had for the process allowed them to be able to turn that baby around. And isn't that just the way that Jesus does with us? Kimberly Hobbs Oh, yes, yes, that his arms Stacy Thomas and he loves us. And all of the circumstances that we are in all of the tribulations that we are facing, just melt away. And we're able to surrender it all to him. And he turns it around in our life. Kimberly Hobbs He does. He does. It's all about love. It is all about love. And I just I was flooded with goosebumps when you said that. And I can just imagine that scenario, because that's how God created us, we need to be loved. And we need to show love. And that little baby felt that love that human touch that genuine love for it. And look at what God did in that situation. Wow. Wow, that's beautiful. And to take it Stacy Thomas further that is to have moderate to severe cerebral palsy based on the medical findings of her brain that we had seen on scans. And before she left, all evidence of brain damage was gone. Wow. And those parents embrace that as a miracle from God. And, and you know, and so not only do we have the opportunity to talk about God and His love for us and connect those dots, but then there's, you know, people that come to us that have the same ability to minister into our lives. And that's what I love about the kingdom is that we have opportunities outside where people who may not know Jesus, we have opportunities, to boldly bring it to them, but also within our own community of Christians, we need to be encouraging each other and loving on one another and accepting one another right where we are, instead of expecting another to be somewhere or doing something a certain way. Kimberly Hobbs It's so true, we cannot have a judgmental attitude or anything, it's all about loving one another and having that boldness, again, encouraged to step out and just embrace another with love, speak the truth into their life. It's so important. You know, we see it from the moment we're born, obviously, with what you see Stacy in your career and, and you see it all through life, you see it through the mothers lives who are giving birth, you know, that maybe feel so broken, you know, delivering this child and, and rejected and whoever, you know, who knows what that woman is going through, but you have the ability, Stacy to love on them, God has put you in a place where he is using you and all of your past things in your life. To now speak love and truth into other women. And ladies, that's what we need to look for is in our own life. What are you doing? Where are you right now in your life, that God can allow you to open your mouth and speak love and truth from his word into others lives, that's what will change their lives. That's what will impact them and turn their situations around. It's his love. It's the power through his word that will do that. And we are just so grateful, Stacy for you doing that? And do you have any other examples maybe that you want to share? Because these examples again, just give such a profound? Ah, you know, like, wow, you know, I get it. I see it. I see what God's doing in that situation. About speaking boldness and to somebody. Stacy Thomas Yeah. So one of the scriptures that I really have held on to for a long time, as James 122 says, Don't just be hearers of the word but be doers of the word. And just like an zekiel zekiel was tasked not with going in and fixing the broken nation, but he was tasked with going in and telling about God and what God's promises were and and God muted him for that purpose. He was only allowed to speak when he was sharing what God wanted share. And for me that that stood very tall for me because I've always you know, my profession requires me to People, whether it be their injury or whatever, are these babies. And so, I take that seriously, because now my new habit is to go and tell, go tell it up upon the mountain, right. So, but you know, one of the things we have to remember is that we are loved and he forgives us. And he gives a second chances. He shows us mercy and compassion and his heart is softened towards us. And that's something that we have to remember to do as well. You know, there are women that come through the unit, who have been doing drugs, and for a long time in their life, they may have been shunned, and they may have been judged and, and when they come to the unit, we have to know that they didn't, they weren't little girls that grew up thinking, Oh, when I grow up, I want to be a drug addict. They something happened in their life that created this for them. And we have an opportunity to help them become the women that God has purposed them to be. And that baby might be the reason why they are there to hear from us that they are loved, and that they are accepted, and they are forgiven. We can empower these women to have a purpose beyond that drug that they're addicted to. And we can help them. And so that's that's a big part of my heart after being involved in Celebrate Recovery as a ministry leader is that just letting people know whether it be a man or a woman that they have such great value in this world, beyond the circumstances are in the moment. And so that asked us to be those people who come alongside others who are downtrodden, and who are hurting. And they let them know that they are loved spite what has happened in their past. Kimberly Hobbs As ladies, I believe, that's a calling on all of us, that we need to step out in prayer. And if you're not a bold person, if you're tend to be quiet, and you let others just, you know, no step out and ask God to help you be bold and courageous. And that you would step out of that comfort zone for Jesus cuz it is our it's our job, I guess you'd say, you know, as believers as those in relationships with Jesus, that we talk to somebody that we normally may not talk to, you know, our pray with a family member, a friend or a co worker such as Stacey does, she's bold, and she steps out where God has her right now, in that Nick unit and with boldness, she's praying with others, she is loving them and loving them to Jesus. And true boldness, ladies is centered in Christ, not ourselves. And sometimes we're so focused on ourselves, or what are people gonna think of us are, you know, I'm not a speaker, or I don't know, a whole lot of Scripture what, but just take that first step and just ask God to go with you, and speak out about him. And you're going to watch how he's going to be right there with you. He's going to give you our triggers something in your mind that you're going to say, because you prayed about it, and you asked him for that boldness. So the CC Can you just give us a give these ladies an encouraging word from your heart, how they can step out in that boldness just like you are you are in a place where you were, you were afraid to do that, because all the focus was on yourself. You grew up that way. But God turned it around. So how can you encourage our listening audience to step out in that boldness? Stacy Thomas Um, I think the main thing that we have to remember is that God is never going to lead us into anything that is for to hurt us. So start feeling afraid, I realized that is from the enemy, and the enemy loves to distract us with fear. Yeah, yes. So if you know if God is calling if the Holy Spirit is putting it on my heart to talk to somebody or to say something in particular, the first thing I do is I pray about it. Because I want to be sure that my words are helpful and not hurtful, and that they come across with the right motives. And so I checked my heart, and I asked God to show me the way that would be a way to, to enlighten him in this person's life. And then I have to take that step. And, and that step is is sometimes very hard, and sometimes it's very easy, and I will be honest, sometimes it's the people that I'm the closest with that I have the hardest time being bold with. I come from a place of not wanting to disrupt the applecart, you know, and I come from a place of wanting that accepted And, and needing to know that people are happy with me. But God is really leading me out of that. And, and And ladies, if you if you wonder how I got here, it's been through just really listening to God and learning how to be obedient. And sometimes I thought, am I even hearing him. But there was always a time that he would come alongside me and make it clear in some way, even through telling me to read the book of Ezekiel, which I did not understand whole lot of before the surgery, and I still don't, but being able to just say, You know what, I'm going to take a chance on God, because what else do I what do I have to lose there? Because he's always for me, he's never against me, always. And I spent too many years living in fear and living afraid of what might happen. And now knowing that that fear comes from the enemy. It's just a matter of taking a deep breath, thanking God, loving God and saying, God, my life is surrendered for you and your will test and that word, and those 100 Steps come in baby steps. He's not going to require us to jump off the cliff into some sort of ministry or jump off the cliff into some sort of evangelism. He's just asking us to have conversations and share our story. Kimberly Hobbs Amen. Amen. Yes, ladies, and thank you. Thank you so much, Stacy for sharing that and encouraging and it does, it requires humility, again, ladies rather than pride. And realize that you can be bold in your faith, be bold in your faith, and I just have a couple scriptures I wanted to share as we close here, the wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion. And that's proverbs 28. One, be bold, as a lion, ladies, God will give you that confidence, you can do it, you just need to step out and be courageous. Acts for 31 reminds us that after they pray, they were shaken, they were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God boldly. So one thing that Stacy and I were both sharing was pray, pray about it, as she is there in the NICU, and things are right in front of her situations that she doesn't have any control over, she goes to God and prayer and ask God to how is he going to use me here? What am I going to say, Lord, and then God speaks through her, he will do that for you too, if you ask him to. So remember that ladies, that's our duty, we need to be bold and courageous, and share our faith wherever we are, where ever we are in this world. And this is a tool that I hope might help you. Two years ago, we women world leaders put put out a book called courageous steps of faith. And these women, there's many women in this book that have shared their stories of being bold, and courageous and stepping out in faith and doing something amazing for the Lord. And we believe that all of us, all of us have that ability to do it. If you would like to get this book to encourage you and inspire you. It is available through our website at women, world leaders calm and it and we ask that you get it through our website, it is available on Amazon as well. But it has become a number one bestseller. And we are very grateful for that. But that's because God has shown favor and this book has been prayed over and we believe it will be a very useful tool tool to you if you need that little encouragement to step out and be bold, courageous steps of faith. And that's with God. All things are possible. We do believe that with all of our heart, ladies. And one other thing that we have for you that would be a great inspiration. And again, full of Scripture full of encouragement is our magazine that comes out once a quarter now. And it is called voice of truth. It is available digitally outside of the United States around the world, through women world leaders.com. And you can get your free copy if you are within the United States. And that is by going to women world leaders.com voice of truth and then there's a place where you can sign up leave us your name, address and email address which we do not share. 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PHP Internals News: Episode 100: Sealed Classes London, UK Thursday, March 24th 2022, 09:04 GMT In this episode of "PHP Internals News" I talk with Saif Eddin Gmati (Website, Twitter, GitHub) about the "Sealed Classes" RFC that he has proposed. The RSS feed for this podcast is https://derickrethans.nl/feed-phpinternalsnews.xml, you can download this episode's MP3 file, and it's available on Spotify and iTunes. There is a dedicated website: https://phpinternals.news Transcript Derick Rethans 0:14 Hi, I'm Derick. Welcome to PHP internals news, the podcast dedicated to explaining the latest developments in the PHP language. This is episode 100. Today I'm talking with Saif Eddin Gmati about the sealed classes RFC that they're proposing. Saif, would you please introduce yourself? Saif Eddin Gmati 0:31 Hello, my name is Saif Eddin Gmati. I work as a Senior programmer at Les-Tilleuls.coop. I'm an open source enthusiast and contributor. Derick Rethans 0:39 Let's dive straight into this RFC. What is the problem that you're trying to solve with it? Saif Eddin Gmati 0:43 Sealed classes just like enums and tagged unions allow developers to define their data models in a way where invalid state becomes less likely. It also eliminates the need to handle unknown subtypes for a specific model, as using sealed classes to define models gives us an idea on what child types would be available at run time. Sealing also provides us with a way for restricting inheritance or the use of a specific trait. For example, if we look at logger trait from the PSR log package that could be sealed to logger interface. This way, we ensure that every use of this trait is coming from a logger not from any other class. Derick Rethans 1:24 I'm just reading through this RFC tomorrow, again, and something I didn't pick up on reading to it last time. It states that PHP already has sort of two sealed classes. Unknown Speaker 1:35 Yes, the throwable class in PHP can only be implemented by extending either error or exception. The same applies for DateTime interface, which can only be implemented by extending DateTime class or DateTime Immutable class. Derick Rethans 1:52 Because PHP itself doesn't allow you to implement either throwable or DateTimeInterface. I haven't quite realized that that these are also sealed classes really. What is sort of the motivation behind wanting to introduce sealed classes? Unknown Speaker 2:06 The main motivation for this feature comes from Hack the programming language. Hack contains a lot of interesting type concepts that I think personally, PHP could benefit from and sealed classes is one of those concepts. Derick Rethans 2:18 What kind of syntax are you proposing? Saif Eddin Gmati 2:21 The syntax I'm proposing actually there is three syntax options for the RFC currently, but the main syntax is inspired by both Hack and Java. It's more similar to the syntax used in Java as Hack uses attributes. Personally, I have been I guess, using attributes from the start as I personally see sealing and finalizing similar as both effects how inheritance work for a specific class. Having sealed implemented as an attribute while final uses a keyword brings more inconsistency into the language which is why I have decided not to include attributes as a syntax option. Derick Rethans 2:56 In my opinion, attributes shouldn't be used for any kind of syntax things. What they should be used for is attaching information to already existing things. And by using attributes again, to extend syntax, you sort of putting this syntax parsing in two different places , right? You're putting it both in the syntax as well as in attributes. I asked what the syntax is, but I don't think he actually mentioned what the syntax is. Saif Eddin Gmati 3:20 The syntax the main set next proposed for the RFC is using sealed and permit as keywords we first have the sealed modifier which is added in front of the class similar to how final or abstract modifiers are used. We also have the permit clause which is basically a list allows you to name a specific classes that are able to inherit from this specific type. Derick Rethans 3:43 So when you say type here, is that just interfaces and classes or something else as well? Saif Eddin Gmati 3:48 It's classes interfaces and traits. Traits are allowed to add sealing but they are not allowed to permit. Okay for example, an interface is not allowed to permit a trait because a trait cannot implement an interface Derick Rethans 4:03 In the language itself, when does this get enforced? Saif Eddin Gmati 4:06 This inheritance restriction gets enforced when loading a class. So let's say we are loading Class A currently if this class extends B, we check if B is sealed. And if it is we check if B allows A to extend it. But when loading a specific sealed class, nothing gets actually checked. We just take the permit clause classes and store them and move on. Derick Rethans 4:32 It only gets checks if you're trying to implement an interface. Saif Eddin Gmati 4:36 This gets enforced when trying to implement an interface, extend that class, or use it trait. Derick Rethans 4:41 Okay. What are general use cases for this feature? Saif Eddin Gmati 4:45 General use cases for a feature are for example, implementing programming concepts such as Option which is a type that can only have two subtypes. One is Some, other is None. Another concept is the Result where only two subtypes are possible, either success or failure. Another use case is to restrict inheritance. As I mentioned before, for example, logger trait from the PSR log package is a trait that implements some of the method methods in logger interface, and expects whoever is using that trait to implement the rest. However, there is no restriction by the language regarding this, we can seal this trait to a logger interface ensuring that only loggers are allowed use this trait. Derick Rethans 5:34 When you say that Option has like the value Some or None, just sound like an enum to me. How should I think differently about enums and sealed classes here? Saif Eddin Gmati 5:43 Enums cannot hold a dynamic value. You can have a value but you cannot have a dynamic value, however, tagged unions will allow you to implement option the same way. Tagged unions are that useful only for this specific case, there is some other cases such as the one I mentioned for traits that cannot actually be implemented using the tagged unions. There is also the I don't know how to say this. Let's say we have a type A that sealed and permitting only B and C. And this case A on itself, as long as it's not an abstract class, is by itself a type. Can be used as a normal class, you can create an instance and use it normally. However with tagged unions, the option itself would not be a type, you either have some or none. That's the main difference between tagged unions until classes Derick Rethans 6:37 A tagged union PHP doesn't have them. So how does a tagged union relate to enums? Saif Eddin Gmati 6:43 With tagged unions as the, there is an RFC that's still in draft, I suppose that uses actually it is built on top of enums that that's why. Derick Rethans 6:55 I reckon once that gets closer to completion, I'll end up talking to the author of that RFC. So something I'm wondering, can a sealed type permit only one other type? Or does it have to be more than one? Saif Eddin Gmati 7:10 No, it can permit only one type. Let's say we have class A that only permits B. However, another thing is class B does not actually have to extend A, like if A is permitting B, B does not actually have to implement A. It's still useful because another class called C can extend B and implement A, so an instance of A B can still exists. Derick Rethans 7:36 I'm not quite sure whether I understood that. If you have an interface that says A permits B, then B is not required to implement A, mostly because the moment you loads class B, you don't even know it exists, right? Because it doesn't refer to it. Saif Eddin Gmati 7:54 Yes. Derick Rethans 7:55 It's just going to break anything? Saif Eddin Gmati 7:57 Hopefully not. The only break would be in the new reserved keywords which are sealed and permits. So those cannot be used as identifiers any more, but depending on the syntax choice, if for example, the second syntax choice wins which that would only take the permits keyword. If the third syntax choice is chosen then no new reserved keywords will be introduced so there will be no breaks. Derick Rethans 8:29 From what I see in the RFC the first syntax is using both sealed in front of a as a marker and then using permits. With the second syntax, you don't use seal but you infer that it is sealed from the permits keyword I suppose. And then in the last option you use the for keyword instead of permits and also don't use sealed yet? Saif Eddin Gmati 8:51 The third syntax choice is will be the one with no breaks as we will not be introducing any new keywords; for is already a reserved keyword in PHP. Derick Rethans 9:02 What is your preference? Saif Eddin Gmati 9:03 Personally I prefer the first syntax choice as it's the most explicit. When you start reading the code you can tell from the start this is a sealed class without having to continue reading until you reach permits. Derick Rethans 9:15 I think I agree with you there. Beyond the syntax is there anything else that needs to be changed in PHP itself? Saif Eddin Gmati 9:22 The only other change that will be introduced in PHP is in reflection class. A new method called isSealed will be added to reflection method, which allow you to check if a class the class being reflected is sealed. Another method will be added called getPermittedClasses which returns the list of class names provided in the permits clause. Also a new constant should be added to reflection class that is is_sealed constant which exposes the bit flag used for sealed classes. Some changes will happen to the getModifiers method in reflection class. This method will return the bit flag is sealed set, if the class being reflected is sealed. The getModifierNames method will also return the string sealed if the bit is set, that should be about it. Derick Rethans 10:12 Basically everything that you need in reflection to find out whether it's a sealed class and other permits. Saif Eddin Gmati 10:18 Yes. Derick Rethans 10:20 See, I see the name of getPermittedClasses has to use, has the word classes in it. Does that mean that the types after permits have to be classes? Saif Eddin Gmati 10:32 No, they can be either classes or interfaces. But PHP refers to both classes and interfaces as classes in the reflection. So we have a reflection class, but that's actually a reflection trait class interface. And basically everything is class-ish. Derick Rethans 10:47 Class-ish. I like that. Did you look at some other alternatives to implementing the same feature or just the three syntax choices that you came up with? Saif Eddin Gmati 10:56 I did not consider any other alternatives precisely as the alternatives might be type aliases, tagged enums, package visibility. But I think each of these RFCs focused on a specific problem and expanding that area, while sealed classes focuses on all the problems mentioned on in this RFC tries to solve them in a minimal way. But only in relation to inheritance in classes, interfaces, and traits. Derick Rethans 11:24 Keeping it short and sweet. What has the feedback been so far? Saif Eddin Gmati 11:29 The feedback has been pretty mixed. Some people are against adding more restriction to types and inheritance. But in my opinion, this is not about adding restriction, but rather providing the user with the ability to add restrictions. And we already have final classes, which a lot of people seem to dislike. Derick Rethans 11:48 I don't understand why. But fair enough. Saif Eddin Gmati 11:51 I have created a community poll a couple of weeks ago to gather feedback on Twitter. The results were 60% for with over 150 participants. Another poll was created by Peter on Facebook ended with 54 of people voting yes. However, such polls that do vary depending on the audience. So it can be really an accurate representation of the PHP community. Derick Rethans 12:15 Polls on Twitter are never scientific, or they? I see that the RFC is in voting already. So for people listening to this, and if you have voting rights, then you have until when exactly? Saif Eddin Gmati 12:28 Until the end of the month. Derick Rethans 12:30 March 31. It says yes. Okay. Well, thank you very much for taking the time today Saif about sealed classes. Saif Eddin Gmati 12:37 Thank you for having me. Hopefully, I get to be here another time in the future. Derick Rethans 12:42 I hope so too. Thank you for listening to this installment of PHP internals news, a podcast dedicated to demystifying the development of the PHP language. I maintain a Patreon account for supporters of this podcast as well as the Xdebug debugging tool. You can sign up for Patreon at https://drck.me/patreon. If you have comments or suggestions, feel free to email them to firstname.lastname@example.org. Thank you for listening, and I'll see you next time. 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Kim Doyal 0:01 Before we get into today's episode, I have a quick message for my sponsor cloudways. cloudways is a managed cloud hosting platform that simplifies your web hosting experience. The platform allows businesses to focus on their growth and have complete peace of mind 24/7 support and flexibility to scale. Can we just say support is hugely important when it comes to hosting. And thanks to pod boys who are offering an exclusive discount for the Kim Doyal show listeners, visit cloudways.com and use a promo code Chem 20 to get 20% off for two months on the hosting plan of your choice. Alright guys, let's get into today's episode. Welcome to F the hustle. I'm your host, Kim Doyal. You want a life that is meaningful and exciting. In this podcast, we're going to talk about launching and growing an online business that fits your lifestyle. After the hustle is all about doing good work, building real relationships, and most importantly, creating a business that supports how you want to live your life. You don't have to sacrifice the quality of your life today to create something that sets your soul on fire. And yes, that includes making a lot of money. So we'll be talking about selling, charging what you're worth, and how earning more means helping more people. My goal is to help you find freedom and create a business on your terms. Hey, what's going on everybody? Welcome to another episode of the podcast. I am your host, Kim Doyal. And I'm really excited today because not only is our guest amazing, but we're going to talk about something that I have gotten really obsessed with in the last couple of years. And that is newsletters. But first, my guest today is Leslie sim, the founder of newsletter glue. Leslie, thanks so much for joining me today. Unknown Speaker 1:45 Thanks so much for having me, Kim. Super happy to be here. Kim Doyal 1:48 And we'll just let everybody know, this is fun. You are recording from you're in Singapore. Unknown Speaker 1:54 That's right. Kim Doyal 1:55 Okay, so what time is it for you? Unknown Speaker 1:58 Is 9:34pm Kim Doyal 2:02 Yeah, and it's 7:34pm. This is why I love what we do, Leslie, it's like we get to connect with people all over the world. It's just, I don't know, it makes the world seem smaller and bigger kind of at the same time. Unknown Speaker 2:13 Yeah, totally. I feel like I actually benefited from the pandemic, because now nobody's going out and meeting people. And they have to meet people like me online. So that's yeah, that's been like one cool and unexpected side effect. nice side effect of the pandemic. Kim Doyal 2:31 It is, it's nice to see those benefits. And I mean, it just, I think it forced a lot of growth and opportunity online in general. So I think it's fantastic. Okay, so, enough about that. But I would love to know, you know, we did a live stream talking about newsletter glue, and I'll let you explain what that is. But I don't know much about your backstory, if you wouldn't mind sharing with listeners, kind of, you know, how you got into all this what you're doing prior to creating and launching newsletter glue? Unknown Speaker 3:01 Yeah, how far would you like me to go back? Kim Doyal 3:06 Maybe with your entrepreneurial journey, or you know, I mean, whatever you feel like sharing honestly. Unknown Speaker 3:12 Um, so my very first job, or my very first real job after after university was in the government in the airport. And it turns out that I was very bad at that because I not like Are you familiar with the term iron rice ball? No, explains that there might be a Singaporean or Southeast Asian, but it's just kind of like a stable steady job that you know, like working in the government is known for like the work in the government, you have a stable steady job, and that's an iron rice ball. It's not going to go away. Ah, okay. Yeah, and so I didn't know it at the...