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Asa Ellerup was married to Rex Heuermann for twenty-seven years while he killed eight women. She filed for divorce after his arrest. But she kept visiting. She kept calling. And after he personally confessed to her — told her the number, told her seven happened in their basement — she went home and moved into the room where he said he did it.Then she told a documentary crew something about their phone calls that no one was prepared to hear. It was not a confrontation. It was not anger. It was a woman still managing a relationship on the other person's terms — thirty years in, eight confessions later, from the room where the evidence was found.The imprisoned Rex Heuermann cannot disappear. He calls on a schedule. He needs her. And for a woman who spent her life holding onto someone who was never fully there, that might be exactly what she wanted.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachKiller #TrueCrime #TrueCrimeToday #TrueCrimePodcast #GilgoBeachMurders #SerialKiller #TrueCrimeCommunity

Rex Heuermann confessed to strangling eight women. He told his own daughter the victims were not real people to him. He described his motivation as demons. And on recorded phone calls from jail, Asa Ellerup's primary concern was making sure she did not say the wrong thing — not confronting him, not demanding answers, but managing his emotional comfort.For twenty-seven years, Asa's role in this relationship was to keep things smooth. To not push. To not ask the question that makes the room tense. The confession changed the subject matter. It did not change the role. She is still orienting her life around Rex's needs. And the reason she can't see how that reads to the rest of the world goes all the way back to a foundation that was fractured long before she met him.A psychological deep dive into the post-confession behavior of a woman who was built by someone else from the ground up — and the building is still standing.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachKiller #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers #TrueCrimePodcast #GilgoBeachMurders #SerialKiller #TrueCrimeCommunity

After Rex Heuermann confessed to the Gilgo Beach murders, Asa Ellerup did not walk away. She visited him. She talked to him on the phone. She told cameras she wanted to understand “this other side of Rex.” And then she said something about their phone calls that reveals who is still running this relationship — even with Rex behind bars.The family therapist said for Asa, it was never denial. It was real. Whatever Rex told her became her operating reality. He built the world she lived in. And now that he's confessed, the world he built is still standing. New paint. New floors. Same foundation. The imprisoned Rex may be the first version of Rex that gives Asa what she has been trying to hold onto for thirty years.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachKiller #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers #TrueCrimePodcast #GilgoBeachMurders #SerialKiller #TrueCrimeCommunity

Rex Heuermann told his wife he killed eight women. Seven of those conversations reportedly happened in their own basement — the same basement where, according to prosecutors, he described the dismemberments in detail. Asa Ellerup filed for divorce, kept the house, tore out the floors, hung a cross on the wall, arranged stuffed animals on the shelves, and moved in. She sleeps there now. She has reportedly visited Rex in jail around twelve times since the confession. She told Peacock cameras she wants to understand his triggers.The audience wants to understand hers.Why does someone keep returning to a man who confessed to serial murder? Why does the family allegedly collect seven figures from a documentary deal while a victim's son — who was six years old when his mother was killed — files a lawsuit claiming they knew? Why does daughter Victoria say she believes her father most likely did it, while Asa maintains an active relationship with him?Robin Dreeke, retired FBI Special Agent and former chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, takes every question head-on. He breaks down what loyalty after confession actually looks like in behavioral terms, where the boundary between trauma response and complicity starts to blur, and what the DNA evidence recovered from all seven victims tells him about how close someone had to be. Nothing speculative. Every answer grounded in the documented record, driven by the listeners who've been living in this case.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeach #KillRoom #VictoriaHeuermann #SonOfSamLaw #RobinDreeke #FBI #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime

Asa Ellerup told the Peacock cameras she has been sleeping in the basement room where Rex Heuermann confessed to killing seven women. She renovated it. New floors, new walls, a cross, stuffed animals. She calls it spiritual. She has visited Rex approximately twelve times since the confession. She says she wants to understand why he killed.The listeners want to understand something different. They want to know what kind of person moves into that room. They want to know why New York's Son of Sam law allowed the family to reportedly collect seven figures from a documentary while the families of the women Rex killed were never compensated. They want to know how Victoria Heuermann can say her father most likely did it while Asa keeps going back to visit him.Robin Dreeke, who ran the FBI's counterintelligence behavioral analysis program, joins Tony Brueski to address every one of those questions directly. He examines the psychology of loyalty after confession, what genuine processing looks like versus performed processing, and where the DNA evidence found on all seven victims' remains fits into the question of what the family knew. The audience brought the hardest questions. This is where they get answered.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeach #KillRoom #SonOfSamLaw #PeacockDocumentary #RobinDreeke #FBI #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime

Listener-driven. Evidence-grounded. Three cases the audience won't let go of — and the questions that cut through the noise.On Nancy Guthrie, the audience found something investigators haven't addressed: a neighbor with a vault full of gems and minerals, and a Google Maps pin that overlaps with Nancy's home. The wrong-house theory has been circulating for months. Robin Dreeke, retired FBI behavioral analyst, examines what a mistaken-target home invasion actually looks like and whether forty-five minutes inside the house fits that profile.On Rex Heuermann, Asa Ellerup told documentary cameras she moved into the basement room where Rex confessed to killing seven women — and that it's spiritual. She's visited him in jail a dozen times since his confession. The family reportedly took seven figures from Peacock. Robin addresses what the behavioral record tells us about loyalty, denial, and the gap in New York's Son of Sam law that made the payout legal.On Mackenzie Shirilla, prosecutors decoded a private language Mackenzie and Natalie created to evade prison monitoring. Steve lost his job after Netflix. Natalie called the Russo family evil. Mackenzie's first concern from jail was her belongings. Robin examines what the parent-child dynamic tells us about who built Mackenzie — and who's still running the show from the outside.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#NancyGuthrie #RexHeuermann #MackenzieShirilla #RobinDreeke #FBI #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #ListenerQA #AsaEllerup #NatalieShirilla

Rex Heuermann pleaded guilty to eight murders. His ex-wife and children reportedly received over a million dollars from a Peacock documentary about the case. The families of the women he killed received nothing. New York has a Son of Sam law. It doesn't apply here — because the current version only covers the convicted person, not their family. Lawmakers have pushed to close that gap since 2023. The bills have not passed.That's one of the questions the audience brought. The others go deeper. Asa Ellerup gutted the basement where Rex admitted to dismembering seven women, redecorated it, and moved in. She told documentary cameras it was a spiritual gesture. She has continued visiting Rex in jail. Victoria Heuermann says she believes her father most likely did it. Same information, same household, completely different responses.Robin Dreeke spent decades analyzing human behavior for the FBI. He joins Tony Brueski to walk through the listener questions that hit hardest — from the kill room to the documentary money to the DNA evidence linking the household to all seven victims' remains. What does loyalty look like after a confession? What does denial look like when the evidence is sitting on the kitchen table? The audience asked. Robin answers.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeach #SonOfSamLaw #PeacockDocumentary #RobinDreeke #FBI #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #ListenerQA

Rex Heuermann sat across from Asa Ellerup and told her he killed eight women. Seven in their basement. He described the dismemberments. She filed for divorce to keep the house. Then she gutted the basement, put down new floors, hung a cross on the wall, arranged stuffed animals on the shelves, and moved in. She sleeps there. She has visited Rex in jail approximately twelve times since the confession. She told Peacock cameras she wants to understand his triggers.The audience has a simpler question: why? Why does someone keep going back to the man who confessed to serial murder? Why does the family reportedly collect seven figures from a documentary while a victim's son — who was six years old when his mother was killed — files a lawsuit alleging they knew? Why does Victoria say she believes her father most likely did it while Asa maintains a relationship with him?Robin Dreeke, retired FBI Special Agent and former chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, addresses each question directly. He walks through what loyalty after confession actually looks like in behavioral terms, where the line between trauma and complicity gets tested, and what the DNA evidence found on all seven victims tells us about proximity. Listener-driven. Every question grounded in the documented record.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeach #KillRoom #VictoriaHeuermann #SonOfSamLaw #RobinDreeke #FBI #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime

The number is reportedly over a million dollars. That is what Asa Ellerup earned from a Peacock documentary about the Gilgo Beach case — her ex-husband's case. The case where he pleaded guilty to killing eight women.Now the families want the money back. And more.Valerie Mack's son has filed a wrongful death lawsuit alleging civil conspiracy. The suit names Asa Ellerup, her daughter Victoria, and Rex Heuermann. The accusation is not that Asa was oblivious. It is that she knew or deliberately avoided knowing what was happening and helped conceal it.Suffolk County prosecutors already cleared Asa criminally. They said she was not home during the killings. They called the hair found on victims household transference. They moved on. But the civil case does not require the same level of proof, and the evidence prosecutors set aside gets a second examination under a lower standard.Asa's own words are part of the case now. She told a documentary crew she did what she had to do to protect herself and her children. She renovated the basement where investigators believe seven women were killed. She lives there. Thirteen hundred square feet, twenty-seven years, and she says she never knew.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis explains what the civil conspiracy allegation requires, whether the documentary money qualifies as unjust enrichment, and what happens if this lawsuit forces Asa Ellerup to sit for a deposition. Twenty-seven years of questions. Under oath. For the first time.The families got their sentencing. This lawsuit is about something else.END LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #TrueCrimeToday #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachMurders #TrueCrime #EricFaddis #ValerieMack #CivilLawsuit #SerialKiller

Not as much as you think.Rex Heuermann's sentencing delivered the version the families needed: three life terms, a hundred years, a judge who called him disgusting, officers removing him while the gallery cheered. But the plea agreement underneath that spectacle contains concessions, omissions, and open doors that most coverage never examined.He confessed in open court to killing Karen Vergata. No charge. Her family present. His defense team spent three years fighting to suppress the DNA evidence and then he gave up his appeal in the same deal. Melissa Barthelemy's sister testified that Heuermann called from Melissa's phone after the murder and described what he had done.Outside the courtroom, Asa Ellerup faces a wrongful death lawsuit alleging civil conspiracy. She reportedly collected over a million dollars from a documentary about the murders. She said on camera she protected herself. She renovated the basement. She lives there. Twenty-seven years, thirteen hundred square feet.Beyond New York, the judge said “eight that we know of.” Heuermann owns property in South Carolina and had timeshares in Las Vegas. Women disappeared near both locations. Both states have the death penalty. His New York deal is worthless there.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis works through all three layers: what the sentencing accomplished and what it traded away, whether the civil case against Asa survives its first hearing, and whether another state can realistically build a prosecution against a man who already confessed to eight murders in a state that cannot execute him.The plea deal protected Heuermann in Suffolk County. The question is what it left exposed everywhere else.END LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #RexHeuermann #HiddenKillers #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachMurders #TrueCrime #EricFaddis #KarenVergata #DeathPenalty #SerialKiller

Over a million dollars. That is what Asa Ellerup reportedly earned from a Peacock documentary about her ex-husband — the man who pleaded guilty to killing eight women, seven of them inside the house they shared for twenty-seven years.The families of those women are suing her. Valerie Mack's son filed a wrongful death lawsuit naming Asa, her daughter Victoria, and Rex Heuermann. The claim is civil conspiracy — not that Asa failed to notice what was happening, but that she actively concealed it. The Suffolk County DA's office cleared her in the criminal investigation. The civil case does not care.Asa's hair was found on victims. Prosecutors called it household transference and moved on. In a civil courtroom, where the standard is preponderance of evidence instead of beyond a reasonable doubt, that dismissal gets reexamined. Her own words on camera — “I did what I had to do to protect myself and my children” — become exhibits. Protect herself from what?She renovated the basement where the murders allegedly occurred. She sleeps in that basement. She did a documentary about her nightmares while the families were preparing a lawsuit.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis examines whether the lawsuit survives a motion to dismiss, what the lower civil standard means for the evidence the DA already rejected, and whether the real goal of this case is not a verdict — it is getting Asa Ellerup under oath for the first time.The criminal case is closed. The civil case is just beginning.END LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillers #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachMurders #TrueCrime #EricFaddis #ValerieMack #CivilLawsuit #SerialKiller

She made the documentary. She collected the check. And the families filed the lawsuit.Asa Ellerup reportedly earned over a million dollars from a Peacock documentary about Rex Heuermann — her ex-husband, the man who pleaded guilty to murdering eight women. While she was filming, Valerie Mack's son was preparing a wrongful death suit that names Asa as a co-conspirator.The lawsuit does not accuse Asa of missing clues. It accuses her of actively concealing what Rex Heuermann was doing inside their thirteen-hundred-square-foot home for twenty-seven years. Civil conspiracy. That is a different allegation than negligence, and it carries different consequences.The Suffolk County DA's office cleared Asa during the criminal investigation. Her hair on the victims was called household transference. Her presence in the home was explained by proximity, not participation. But a civil courtroom operates on a lower burden of proof, and the same evidence the DA dismissed gets weighed on a different scale.Asa said on camera that she did what she had to do to protect herself and her children. She renovated the basement. She sleeps where investigators say seven of the eight murders occurred. She told a documentary crew about her nightmares in the same rooms the families say their loved ones were killed.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis breaks down whether the civil conspiracy claim can survive its first legal test, what the documentary earnings mean for unjust enrichment claims, and what changes if Asa Ellerup is forced to answer questions under oath for the first time in her life.The sentencing closed the criminal case. The civil case asks a different question entirely.END LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillersLive #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachMurders #TrueCrime #EricFaddis #ValerieMack #CivilLawsuit #SerialKiller

Three life sentences. A hundred years. No appeal. And he still walked away from a murder confession without a charge, an ex-wife's civil exposure, and property in death penalty states where women disappeared.Rex Heuermann's Gilgo Beach sentencing looked like the end. The judge's words — disgusting, coward, not a man at all — gave the families something they had waited years to hear. But the legal architecture of the plea deal reveals gaps that the sentencing spectacle papered over.Karen Vergata's murder: confessed to in open court, never charged. Melissa Barthelemy's phone: used to call her sister after the killing, details described, now part of the official record. Three years of defense motions to suppress DNA evidence: abandoned when Heuermann signed away his appeal.Asa Ellerup: named in a wrongful death civil conspiracy lawsuit while reportedly collecting over a million dollars from a documentary. She told cameras she did what she had to do to protect herself. She renovated the basement. She sleeps in the house where eight women were murdered.And the geography: four lots in Chester, South Carolina. A timeshare in Las Vegas. A woman vanished twenty miles from one property. An escort disappeared two weeks after the other was purchased. The judge said “eight that we know of.” South Carolina and Nevada have the death penalty. Heuermann's New York deal covers neither.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis walks through the sentencing, the Asa Ellerup lawsuit, and the multi-state question in a single conversation that covers everything the Gilgo Beach case has become.The number is eight. The story is three cases deep and growing.END LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #RexHeuermann #HiddenKillersLive #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachMurders #TrueCrime #EricFaddis #KarenVergata #DeathPenalty #SerialKiller

She did a documentary. She reportedly collected over a million dollars for it. And while she was talking to cameras about nightmares in the basement, the families of Rex Heuermann's victims were preparing a lawsuit that calls her a co-conspirator.Asa Ellerup is named in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by Valerie Mack's son. So is her daughter Victoria. So is Rex Heuermann. The allegation is civil conspiracy — that Asa knew or deliberately avoided knowing what was happening inside the house she shared with a serial killer for twenty-seven years, and that she helped conceal it.This is not a criminal charge. The DA's office already cleared her. But a civil case does not need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It needs a preponderance of evidence — more likely than not. And in that framework, the evidence prosecutors dismissed takes on different weight.Her hair was on the victims. Prosecutors said transference. She said on camera she did what she had to do to protect herself and her children. She renovated the basement where investigators say seven murders occurred and sleeps there. The lawsuit calls the documentary money unjust enrichment — profiting from the murders that destroyed the plaintiffs' families.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis breaks down whether civil conspiracy sticks when the criminal investigation already cleared her, what the documentary payout means legally, and whether the endgame is not a verdict but a deposition — Asa Ellerup, under oath, answering twenty-seven years of questions for the first time.The criminal case is finished. The civil case is asking the questions the criminal case never did.END LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #RexHeuermanChannel #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachMurders #TrueCrime #EricFaddis #ValerieMack #CivilLawsuit #SerialKiller

He answered for eight murders. He did not answer for Karen Vergata's — even though he confessed to it in the same courtroom. He did not answer for the civil conspiracy his ex-wife now faces. And he did not answer for the women who disappeared near his properties in states that can execute him.Rex Heuermann's sentencing gave the Gilgo Beach families a moment they earned. Three consecutive life sentences. A hundred years. A judge who said he was disgusting and ordered officers to remove him. It was the ending the case needed. It was not the ending the case got.The plea deal contains an uncharged murder confession, an abandoned appeal, and an FBI interview labeled “academic.” Melissa Barthelemy's sister put the phone call on the record — Heuermann calling from Melissa's phone after killing her, describing what he had done. That testimony exists in the official transcript.Asa Ellerup is facing a wrongful death lawsuit. She reportedly made over a million dollars from a documentary. She said on camera she did what she had to do to protect herself. She lives in the house. She sleeps in the basement.And the map keeps expanding. Four lots in Chester, South Carolina. A timeshare in Las Vegas. Missing women near both. The judge chose his words: eight that we know of. South Carolina has the death penalty. Nevada has the death penalty. Heuermann's New York plea deal provides no cover in either.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis covers the full scope: sentencing mechanics, civil conspiracy against Asa, and multi-state exposure. Everything the plea deal resolved — and everything it did not.Eight murders. Three life sentences. And the case is still growing.END LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #RexHeuermann #RexHeuermanChannel #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachMurders #TrueCrime #EricFaddis #KarenVergata #DeathPenalty #SerialKiller

Benjamin Torres was six years old when his mother Valerie Mack disappeared. Her partial remains were found the same year in Manorville. It took two decades to identify them. Rex Heuermann has now pleaded guilty to her murder.Torres has filed a wrongful death lawsuit naming Heuermann, his ex-wife Asa Ellerup, and their daughter Victoria. The complaint alleges Asa and Victoria knew of or deliberately avoided learning about the killings, had access to a secured area in the basement of the Massapequa Park home, and collected over a million dollars from a Peacock documentary. Asa's attorney has denied any knowledge or involvement. Prosecutors have said the killings occurred when the family was not home.Asa has gutted and rebuilt the basement where Heuermann confessed to killing seven women. She moved into it. She told a documentary crew the nightmares come every night. She chose not to attend sentencing. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott joins Tony Brueski to discuss what it means when the families of those harmed are forced to share a legal stage with the family of the killer — and whether a brain can truly choose not to see something happening under the same roof.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #ValerieMack #TrueCrimeToday #BenjaminTorres #GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachKiller #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #WrongfulDeath

Asa Ellerup filed for divorce from Rex Heuermann after his arrest. Then she kept visiting him. She showed up to court appearances. She participated in a Peacock documentary. She sat across from him in a supervised jailhouse visit and asked him directly how many women he killed. He said eight.From the outside that looks like a contradiction — you leave a person legally and then keep showing up. But psychotherapist Shavaun Scott says the contradiction is the point. The divorce protects the self. The visits protect the version of reality she built her entire adult life around. Both things can run at the same time inside someone who is trying to survive information that rewrites everything.Heuermann told Asa that seven of the eight murders happened in their basement while she and the kids were on vacation. Their daughter Victoria says she now believes he did it. Asa's own attorney says she may never get there. Scott joins Tony Brueski to explain how a person processes a confession that turns their marriage, their home, and their memories into evidence — and why leaving legally is sometimes the easy part.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #TrueCrimeToday #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #VictoriaHeuermann #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #SerialKillerWife #PeacockDocumentary

She did. Asa Ellerup gutted the basement where Rex Heuermann confessed to killing seven women — new floor, new walls, new doors — and moved into it. She sleeps where investigators believe the killings happened. She told a documentary crew the nightmares are constant and permanent.She chose not to attend sentencing. Valerie Mack's son, who was six when his mother was killed, has filed a lawsuit alleging Asa and her daughter Victoria either knew about the crimes or deliberately avoided knowing — and profited from a Peacock documentary to the tune of over a million dollars. The neighborhood wants the house torn down. Strangers drive by and photograph it. Asa will not go.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott returns to Hidden Killers to talk with Tony Brueski about the psychological reality of choosing the crime scene as your home. What renovation and reclamation look like through a clinical lens. And what recovery means for someone whose house, marriage, and memories were all turned into evidence.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillers #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #MassapequaPark #Sentencing #PeacockDocumentary

Victoria Heuermann told the producers of the Peacock documentary that she now believes her father most likely committed the Gilgo Beach murders. She said on camera that while the family was on vacation, he was home killing and dismembering women in the basement. She arrived at that conclusion and said it out loud.Her mother has not arrived there. Asa Ellerup's attorney has said publicly that even after a guilty plea, he does not know whether Asa will ever believe the man she knew was capable of this. Asa sat across from Heuermann in a jailhouse visit where he confessed to killing eight women — seven in their basement — and she addressed him as Mr. Heuermann. Not Rex. The formal name.Same family. Same evidence. Same confession. Two people processing the same catastrophe in completely opposite directions. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott returns to Hidden Killers to explain how a mother and daughter can hear identical words and end up in different realities — and what it reveals about how the mind protects itself from information it cannot survive.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillers #VictoriaHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #SerialKillerConfession #PeacockDocumentary #GilgoBeach

Victoria Heuermann says she believes her father most likely killed eight women. Asa Ellerup's attorney says Asa may never believe it. Same confession. Same evidence. Same house — a house Asa refuses to leave, where she rebuilt the basement and moved into the room where Heuermann told her seven of the murders took place.This is the full three-part conversation between psychotherapist Shavaun Scott and Tony Brueski. It covers the jailhouse confession — how Asa called him Mr. Heuermann and he said eight without pausing. It covers the double life — seventeen years of murders planned around the family vacation calendar, the flat courtroom affect, and what relief after a guilty plea actually means. And it covers the aftermath — the rebuilt basement, the skipped sentencing, the million-dollar documentary, the wrongful death lawsuit from a victim's son, and the question of whether a person's brain can choose not to see something happening under their own roof.If you followed the Gilgo Beach case, this conversation goes where the courtroom cannot.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillers #VictoriaHeuermann #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #PeacockDocumentary #SerialKillerConfession

He did. In a supervised jailhouse visit, Rex Heuermann told his ex-wife Asa Ellerup that he killed eight women — and that seven of them died in the basement of the Massapequa Park house where they raised their children. He timed the killings for when the family was away on vacation.Asa's reaction to the confession is captured in the Peacock documentary The Gilgo Beach Killer: House of Secrets. She addressed him as Mr. Heuermann — not Rex — when she asked him to confirm the number. Their daughter Victoria has since told producers she believes her father most likely committed the murders. Asa's attorney has said she may never fully accept it.This is a live conversation between Tony Brueski and psychotherapist Shavaun Scott about what happens inside a family when a serial killer confesses. Not the legal fallout — the psychological one. What it does to memory, identity, and the ability to trust your own perception of the person you lived with for nearly three decades. Bring your questions.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #LiveDiscussion #PeacockDocumentary

That is what she told the Peacock documentary crew. Every night. For the rest of her life. And she is saying this from inside the house where Rex Heuermann confessed to killing seven women in the basement — a basement she gutted, rebuilt, and moved into.Asa chose not to attend sentencing. Her attorney said the day belongs to the families. Valerie Mack's son has filed a lawsuit alleging Asa and her daughter Victoria knew about or avoided knowing about the killings and profited from a documentary deal reportedly worth over a million dollars. The neighborhood wants the house torn down. Strangers drive by with cameras.This is a live conversation. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott and Tony Brueski are talking through what it looks like when someone chooses to live inside the aftermath rather than walk away from it — and whether the repetition of telling and retelling the story to documentary crews is processing or something else entirely. Bring your questions.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillers #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #LiveDiscussion #Sentencing #PeacockDocumentary

That is the question that sits underneath everything in this case. Prosecutors say the murders happened when the family was away. The wrongful death lawsuit from Valerie Mack's son says the family knew or deliberately avoided knowing. Asa's attorney says she had no knowledge or involvement. Victoria says she believes her father most likely did it. Asa may never get there.This is a live airing of the full three-part conversation between psychotherapist Shavaun Scott and Tony Brueski. The first chapter covers the jailhouse confession — Asa calling him Mr. Heuermann, the number eight delivered without hesitation, and the mother-daughter split that followed. The second chapter addresses how someone maintains a double life for seventeen years and what Heuermann's courtroom behavior tells a clinician. The third chapter goes into the basement — what it means that Asa rebuilt it and sleeps there, why she chose not to attend sentencing, and whether the mind can truly choose not to see what is happening inside your own house.Bring your questions. This one is going to land.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillers #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #VictoriaHeuermann #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #LiveDiscussion #PeacockDocumentary

Rex Heuermann told Asa Ellerup he killed eight women. Seven of them in the basement. She called him Mr. Heuermann during the conversation. Then she gutted that basement, rebuilt it from the studs, and moved into it. She sleeps there. She says the dreams follow her every night. She says they always will.She chose not to attend sentencing. Her daughter says she believes Rex most likely did it. A victim's son who was six years old when his mother was murdered has filed a lawsuit alleging the family knew or looked away. The community wants the house demolished. Asa will not go.This is the full three-part conversation between psychotherapist Shavaun Scott and Tony Brueski — covering the confession that ended twenty-seven years of marriage, the double life that sustained seventeen years of murder, and the impossible position Asa is in now. Every detail verified. Every question grounded in reporting from the Peacock documentary, the guilty plea, and the wrongful death lawsuit. If you have been following this case, this is the conversation that puts it all in one place.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillers #VictoriaHeuermann #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #PeacockDocumentary #Sentencing

Asa Ellerup and her daughter Victoria reportedly received over a million dollars for their participation in the Peacock documentary The Gilgo Beach Killer: House of Secrets. They gave the cameras access to the Massapequa Park house. They walked through the basement. They talked about their memories and their doubts and their grief on a platform watched by millions of people — while Valerie Mack's son was preparing a lawsuit that would name them as defendants.Benjamin Torres was six when his mother was killed. His lawsuit alleges Asa and Victoria knew or deliberately avoided knowing what was happening inside that house. Asa's attorney has denied any involvement. Prosecutors have said the murders happened when the family was away.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott joins Tony Brueski to address the question that has followed the Ellerup family since the documentary aired — why a family in the worst crisis imaginable would invite cameras into their home. Whether that decision was about money, narrative control, processing, or some combination nobody on the outside can untangle. And what the clinical difference is between someone who genuinely did not know and someone whose mind chose not to look.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #HiddenKillers #VictoriaHeuermann #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #PeacockDocumentary #ShavaunScott #TrueCrime #ValerieMack

He answered for eight murders. He did not answer for Karen Vergata's — even though he confessed to it in the same courtroom. He did not answer for the civil conspiracy his ex-wife now faces. And he did not answer for the women who disappeared near his properties in states that can execute him.Rex Heuermann's sentencing gave the Gilgo Beach families a moment they earned. Three consecutive life sentences. A hundred years. A judge who said he was disgusting and ordered officers to remove him. It was the ending the case needed. It was not the ending the case got.The plea deal contains an uncharged murder confession, an abandoned appeal, and an FBI interview labeled “academic.” Melissa Barthelemy's sister put the phone call on the record — Heuermann calling from Melissa's phone after killing her, describing what he had done. That testimony exists in the official transcript.Asa Ellerup is facing a wrongful death lawsuit. She reportedly made over a million dollars from a documentary. She said on camera she did what she had to do to protect herself. She lives in the house. She sleeps in the basement.And the map keeps expanding. Four lots in Chester, South Carolina. A timeshare in Las Vegas. Missing women near both. The judge chose his words: eight that we know of. South Carolina has the death penalty. Nevada has the death penalty. Heuermann's New York plea deal provides no cover in either.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis covers the full scope: sentencing mechanics, civil conspiracy against Asa, and multi-state exposure. Everything the plea deal resolved — and everything it did not.Eight murders. Three life sentences. And the case is still growing.END LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #RexHeuermann #RexHeuermanChannel #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachMurders #TrueCrime #EricFaddis #KarenVergata #DeathPenalty #SerialKiller

Why didn't she just leave? The question gets asked in every domestic violence case, every coercive control prosecution, every murder where the warning signs were visible to everyone except the person inside the relationship. The answer the public settles on almost always blames the victim.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott has a different answer — one grounded in neuroscience, clinical experience, and three decades of working with survivors. In this full three-part interview with Tony Brueski, Scott uses the cases of Mica Miller, Asa Ellerup, Eric Richins, and Maggie Murdaugh to dismantle the assumption that awareness is protection and explain what is actually happening inside the brain when a person stays.Scott recently explored these dynamics on her Substack, Spotlight on Psychology. This conversation brings that research into the true crime cases the audience already knows and turns it toward the women listening who have never heard their own experience described out loud.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#MicaMiller #MaggieMurdaugh #AsaEllerup #RexHeuermann #EricRichins #KouriRichins #TraumaBonding #DomesticViolence #ShavaunScott #HiddenKillers

The most dangerous kind of erosion leaves no bruises and makes no noise. It works through small compromises that feel reasonable in the moment and catastrophic only in retrospect. And it can last decades without the person inside it ever realizing what has happened.This episode puts two cases side by side. Asa Ellerup was married to Rex Heuermann for 27 years and says she had no knowledge of the crimes he pleaded guilty to. Eric Richins told his family his wife Kouri would be to blame if he turned up dead — and still could not make himself leave.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott explains how agency erodes so completely that confronting reality becomes psychologically impossible, why the presence of children makes it exponentially harder, and what separates Asa's experience from that of Eric Richins — a man who could see the danger with total clarity and still could not move. Scott recently explored this on her Substack, Spotlight on Psychology. The question she asks at the end is one every listener needs to sit with.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AsaEllerup #RexHeuermann #EricRichins #KouriRichins #GilgoBeach #DomesticViolence #ShavaunScott #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #ErosionOfAgency

Nobody wakes up one morning and realizes they have lost themselves. It happens in increments so small they feel like nothing — an opinion you stop voicing, a friendship you let go, a boundary you move because moving it is easier than defending it. The erosion is invisible until the day you catch your own reflection and do not recognize who is looking back.This conversation puts two cases side by side that should not have the same outcome but do. Asa Ellerup defended Rex Heuermann for three years after his arrest — called him her hero, said they had the wrong man. Then he pleaded guilty to eight murders. Eric Richins saw everything and documented it. Both stayed.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott, drawing on her recent Substack piece in Spotlight on Psychology, sits down with Tony Brueski to explain how both versions of this story emerge from the same underlying mechanism. And she closes with a question aimed directly at the listener who has been making accommodations they barely notice.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AsaEllerup #RexHeuermann #EricRichins #KouriRichins #GilgoBeach #DomesticViolence #ShavaunScott #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #ErosionOfAgency

The good days are the trap. You disappear one compromise at a time. And the most dangerous moment is when you decide to go. That is the arc of this conversation — the full three-part interview with psychotherapist Shavaun Scott about the psychology the public refuses to accept.Four cases anchor the discussion: Mica Miller, who could name the trap and still went back. Asa Ellerup, who defended Rex Heuermann for three years before he confessed to eight murders. Eric Richins, who saw everything and couldn't move. Maggie Murdaugh, who was already leaving when she was killed.Scott, whose recent work on Spotlight on Psychology lays out the neuroscience behind these dynamics, walks Tony Brueski through why awareness does not protect you, how agency erodes invisibly, and what the women in this audience need to know if something in this conversation feels personal. Every question was designed to open a door.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#MicaMiller #MaggieMurdaugh #AsaEllerup #RexHeuermann #EricRichins #KouriRichins #TraumaBonding #DomesticViolence #ShavaunScott #HiddenKillers

Three parts. Four cases. Fifteen questions. One psychotherapist who has spent thirty years working with survivors of the dynamics most people think they would never fall for.This is the complete interview with Shavaun Scott. Part one uses the Mica Miller case to explore trauma bonding — why the good days do more damage than the bad ones. Part two uses Asa Ellerup and Eric Richins to examine how a person loses themselves one compromise at a time. Part three uses the Maggie Murdaugh case to confront the most dangerous moment in any abusive relationship — the window between deciding to leave and actually being gone.Scott recently published the research behind this conversation on her Substack, Spotlight on Psychology. This interview was produced for the women in our audience who listen to true crime and see themselves in the details nobody else notices. The last question of each section leaves a door open.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#MicaMiller #MaggieMurdaugh #AsaEllerup #RexHeuermann #EricRichins #KouriRichins #TraumaBonding #DomesticViolence #ShavaunScott #HiddenKillers

Twenty-seven years. That is how long Asa Ellerup shared a home with Rex Heuermann while he was killing women. For three years after his arrest she said they had the wrong man. She called him her hero on camera. Then on April 8, 2026, he pleaded guilty to eight murders — seven inside their home. He told Asa directly.The public asks how that is possible. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott says the answer is not about intelligence or denial in the way people usually mean it. It is about how the brain protects itself from truths that would destroy everything — your marriage, your children's world, your understanding of your own life.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott breaks down how the erosion of agency works on both versions of this story — the person who cannot see the danger and the person who can see it perfectly and still cannot move. Scott recently wrote about this on her Substack, Spotlight on Psychology. This conversation takes the research into the real cases that prove how quietly a person can disappear inside their own life.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AsaEllerup #RexHeuermann #EricRichins #KouriRichins #GilgoBeach #DomesticViolence #ShavaunScott #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #ErosionOfAgency

For three years after his arrest, Asa Ellerup defended Rex Heuermann on camera. She called him a family man. She said they had the wrong man. Then on April 8, 2026, he pleaded guilty to eight murders — seven inside their home. He told Asa directly. Twenty-seven years inside that house. The same meals. The same routines. The same man — who was living an entirely different life.He told her seven of the eight murders happened inside the home they shared for 27 years. Their daughter broke down in tears in the courtroom. How does a person go from “you have the wrong man” to accepting that the person she called her hero confessed to being a serial killer? Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott says the answer is more complicated than yes or no — and that the mechanism behind it has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with how agency erodes so slowly that confronting reality becomes psychologically impossible.Scott recently wrote about this on her Substack, Spotlight on Psychology. In this conversation with Tony Brueski, she pairs the Ellerup case with Eric Richins — a man who saw the danger completely and still could not leave — to examine both sides of the same coin. The psychology underneath extends far beyond serial killers.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AsaEllerup #RexHeuermann #EricRichins #KouriRichins #GilgoBeach #DomesticViolence #ShavaunScott #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #ErosionOfAgency

Rex Heuermann's guilty plea resolved eight murder charges in one proceeding. But the structure of the deal itself raises questions that go beyond the confession. During a confidential session with prosecutors, Heuermann raised the name Karen Vergata — a woman he was never charged with killing. Her case was absorbed into the plea agreement, effectively closing it without a separate prosecution or public evidentiary hearing. The cooperation agreement with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit reportedly includes no mechanism to compel truthful participation or penalize refusal.This week's True Crime Today review revisits the most significant Gilgo Beach developments — the legal architecture of the plea, the evidentiary rulings that forced it, and the psychological dimensions revealed through documentary footage.Every defense motion had been denied. Whole genome sequencing — the forensic technique that matched Heuermann's DNA to evidence recovered from victim remains — was ruled admissible. The court ordered all charges tried in a single proceeding, eliminating any possibility of severance. Heuermann's defense had exhausted its options. The plea, framed by his attorney as a calculated pivot, followed a thousand days of maintained innocence.The Peacock documentary captured the private aftermath. Asa Ellerup, Heuermann's ex-wife, heard him describe the killings during a jailhouse visit — including confirmation of dismemberment conducted inside their shared residence. His daughter Victoria confronted him directly about whether the victims registered as human to him. He said they did not. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott analyzes the family dynamics under that level of sustained psychological exposure — the denial structures, the trauma responses, and what Heuermann's clinical detachment during these conversations reveals about how he processed decades of violence.The DA's office has acknowledged reviewing hundreds of cold cases across Suffolk County. Sentencing is pending. Whether this plea represents justice or an engineered exit remains the central unresolved question.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #KarenVergata #SuffolkCounty #LISK #GuiltyPlea #SerialKiller #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

The guilty plea made headlines. What happened in the room before it didn't. Rex Heuermann didn't just confess — he negotiated. He brought up Karen Vergata, a woman prosecutors never charged him with killing, and got her case folded into a deal that blocks any future prosecution. The cooperation agreement with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit reportedly has no enforcement mechanism if he refuses to participate or provides false information.This week's Hidden Killers review pulls together the most critical conversations from the Gilgo Beach case — from the legal maneuvering behind the plea to the psychological fallout captured on camera.Every avenue Heuermann's defense team tried to open had been shut down. Whole genome sequencing was admitted. The charges would be tried together. With nothing left to fight, Heuermann's team shifted from defense to damage control — and the deal they struck raises serious questions about what stays sealed and who benefits from the silence.Then the documentary footage surfaced. His ex-wife Asa Ellerup confronted him in a jailhouse visit and heard him confirm dismemberment — inside the home they shared, in a basement room she was never allowed to enter. She moved back into the house afterward. His daughter Victoria asked whether he ever thought about his children during the killings. He told her no. Asked whether he saw the victims as human, he said he didn't. Victoria chose forgiveness — not because the answer was acceptable, but because she said the alternative was her own destruction.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott dissects every layer — Asa's psychological framework for surviving alongside a predator without acknowledging it, Victoria's grief for a father who is still alive but fundamentally gone, and Heuermann's own clinical detachment. He described a timed kill cycle to investigators and told a therapist he doesn't recognize himself in the evidence photos. The families of the victims sat in the courtroom and listened to every word. The question now isn't just what Heuermann admitted — it's what the deal ensured he'd never have to.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #GilgoBeachKiller #KarenVergata #LISK #SuffolkCounty #SerialKiller #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers #WeekInReview

Rex Heuermann, the architect accused of being the Long Island Serial killer, had an extensive arsenal that included some pretty expensive guns. Now that arsenal is the subject of a court battle between the suspects estranged wife and the state.The attorney for Asa Ellerup has stated that the collection should be treated as any other mairtal asset that needs to be chopped up during the divorce, but the state contends that many of the guns were illegal and that they should all remain in the posession of the authorities until further notice.(commercial at 7:22)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:Suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann's wife wants to sell gun collection seized by police | Fox News

As the fallout in the aftermath of the arrest of Rex Heuermann continues to rain down on all of those involved, his wife, Asa Ellerup and her two children Victoria and Christopher gave an update through their lawyer about their ordeal. It was revealed that not only is Asa Ellerup dealing with her husband being an alleged serial killer, she also has breast and skin cancer. Her insurance, according to the lawyer, is due to expire in sixty days since it was tethered to Rex Heuermann's employment. On the flip side, the lawyer for the Gilbert family, John Ray had a completely different take on things. In this episodee we take a look at both sides of the coin and break down the latest news. (commercial at 7:31)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:Rex Heuermann's wife struggling to pay for cancer treatment, wants to sue police – NBC New York

Who was Rex Heuermann — really? His ex-wife says he was the one person she could count on. His daughter says he was a loving father who never let his two worlds cross. The FBI's John Douglas says he's a malignant narcissistic sadistic psychopathic serial killer who almost certainly has more victims than the eight he's admitted to. They're all right. And that's what makes this case unlike anything else in modern true crime. The Peacock documentary stripped away the courtroom formality and the legal maneuvering and showed us the raw reality of what happens inside a serial killer's family when the truth finally surfaces. Asa Ellerup learned that women were murdered and dismembered in her basement — then moved back into that basement and started sleeping in the kill room. Victoria Heuermann listed the ages she was when each victim was killed, learned her father never thought about her during the murders, and forgave him on the spot. And Rex, in therapy sessions captured by the documentary, described a four-day kill cycle, admitted to timing his body dumps with a stopwatch, and revealed that sex and violence merged in his mind during adolescence and never separated. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott joins me for an expansive three-part conversation covering every psychological dimension of this family — from Asa's constructed reality to Victoria's impossible reckoning to Rex's mind itself. If you've been following the Gilgo Beach case and you want to understand what the documentary actually means — not just what happened, but why — this series is where you need to start.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #LISK #GilgoBeachKiller #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #HouseOfSecrets #ShavaunScott

It's the question everyone keeps asking. How did she not know? She lived in the same house. She slept in the same bed. And for nearly thirty years, Rex Heuermann was strangling and dismembering women in their basement while Asa Ellerup went about her life as if nothing was wrong. The easy answer is that she had to have known. The comfortable answer is that she looked the other way. But the real answer — the one the Peacock documentary just made impossible to ignore — is far more complicated, and far more disturbing. Asa Ellerup didn't come into this marriage as a woman with solid ground under her feet. She was adopted into a family where she never felt she belonged. She was assaulted as a teenager. She tried to end her own life. By the time Rex entered the picture, she wasn't looking for love — she was looking for someone to make the world stop hurting. He became that person. He became everything. And that's exactly why she couldn't see what he was. The therapist who worked with their family for more than two years put it this way: anything Rex said overwrote everything else. It wasn't that Asa chose not to believe the evidence. It's that Rex's voice was the only channel her brain could receive. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott sits down with me to unpack every dimension of Asa Ellerup's story — the trauma that made her vulnerable, the mechanisms that kept her blind, and whether any of us would have done anything different if we'd lived her life before Rex Heuermann ever walked into it. You might come in with judgment. You might leave with something else entirely.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #LISK #GilgoBeachKiller #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #HouseOfSecrets #SerialKiller #ShavaunScott

She was adopted and never felt wanted. Assaulted at sixteen. Attempted to take her own life before she was out of her teens. And then a man named Rex Heuermann showed up and said move in, I'll handle everything. For a woman who had never once felt safe in her own skin, that offer wasn't romance — it was survival. And it sealed her fate for the next three decades. The Peacock documentary on Rex Heuermann gave us something the courtroom never would have — a raw, unfiltered look at the woman standing behind the Gilgo Beach Killer. Asa Ellerup didn't just live with a serial killer. She built her entire identity around him. The family therapist said it plainly: as long as Rex told Asa he was innocent, there was no reaching her. His words overwrote reality itself. So what happens when reality finally breaks through? What happens when the man who was your entire foundation looks you in the eye and says he killed eight women — some of them in your home? Psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott breaks down every layer of Asa Ellerup's psychology in this conversation. We get into the trauma history that made her vulnerable, the specific mechanisms Rex used to maintain control without her ever recognizing it, and the question the therapist raised that haunts this entire case — whether Asa will ever truly let Rex go, even now that she knows exactly what he is. This is one of the most psychologically complex figures in modern true crime. Shavaun doesn't flinch from any of it.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #LISK #GilgoBeachKiller #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #HouseOfSecrets #SerialKiller #ShavaunScott

Three perspectives. One serial killer. And a family that will never be the same. The Peacock documentary on Rex Heuermann gave us access that no trial, no courtroom, no press conference ever could have — the private moments when a wife and a daughter learned the full scope of what the man they loved had done. Asa Ellerup's story is one of a woman whose entire life before Rex was defined by trauma — adopted, assaulted, suicidal — and whose entire life with Rex was defined by a reality he constructed for her. The therapist who worked with their family said for Asa, it wasn't denial. It was real. Whatever Rex said became truth. That's not complicity. That's something far more psychologically complex. Victoria Heuermann's story is one of identity destruction — a young woman who mapped her childhood ages against her father's kill timeline, who learned that women were murdered and dismembered ten feet from where she played as a child, and who forgave her father almost immediately because she said she can't move forward unless she does. And Rex's story — told through therapy sessions, jailhouse calls, and the assessment of FBI profiler John Douglas — is the story of a man who built a four-day ritual around murder, who timed his body dumps to the second, and who may still be hiding victims behind a carefully managed confession. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott joins me for a three-part series that goes deeper into the psychology of this case than anything else out there. No shortcuts. No surface-level takes. The full picture.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #LISK #GilgoBeachKiller #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #HouseOfSecrets #ShavaunScott

The family therapist who spent over two years working with Asa Ellerup said something in the Peacock documentary that should change the way every person following this case thinks about Rex Heuermann's ex-wife. She said for Asa, it wasn't denial — it was real. That distinction matters more than anything else that's been said about this woman. Denial implies choice. It implies that somewhere inside, the person knows the truth and is choosing not to face it. But what the therapist described is something different and far more unsettling — a woman whose reality was entirely constructed by her husband. Whatever Rex said became fact. His voice overrode evidence, overrode investigators, overrode DNA. And it wasn't because Asa was weak or foolish. It was because her entire life before Rex had been a series of traumas that left her with no internal foundation to stand on. Adopted, never bonded. Assaulted as a teenager. Suicidal before adulthood. Rex didn't just marry her — he became the architecture of her reality. When the walls came down, she had nothing left to stand on. Psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott joins me to go deep on the psychology of Asa Ellerup — what the documentary revealed about the difference between denial and coercive reality construction, why Asa moved into the kill room, and whether there's any psychological path forward for a woman whose entire sense of self was built around a man who murdered eight women in their home. This conversation is going to challenge every assumption you have about what it means to live with a killer and not know it.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #LISK #GilgoBeachKiller #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #HouseOfSecrets #SerialKiller #ShavaunScott

The Peacock documentary did something that nothing else in this case has been able to do — it showed us the human wreckage inside Rex Heuermann's own home. Not the crime scenes. Not the evidence. The people. Asa Ellerup, the ex-wife who heard her husband confess to eight murders and still believes he loved her. Victoria Heuermann, the daughter who asked her father if he ever thought about her while killing women in their basement and was told no. And Rex himself — the man who described a meticulous four-day kill cycle, who timed body dumps with a stopwatch, who told a therapist he can't connect the person in the crime scene photos to himself, and who John Douglas says is almost certainly hiding more victims. Each of these three people is processing the same truth from a completely different psychological position. Asa can't let go. Victoria is trying to forgive. And Rex is still performing — still curating, still controlling how the world receives his story. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott joins me for a three-part interview series that goes inside each of these minds. Part one covers Asa — the trauma history, the constructed reality, the impossible attachment. Part two covers Victoria — the identity destruction, the rewritten memories, the cost of forgiveness. Part three covers Rex — the adolescent origins, the ritualized killing, and whether his cooperation with the FBI is insight or narcissism. This series is the most thorough psychological examination of the Heuermann family in true crime. Period.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #LISK #GilgoBeachKiller #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #HouseOfSecrets #ShavaunScott

There's a moment in the final episode of the Peacock docuseries House of Secrets that stopped me cold. Rex Heuermann is on the phone from jail with his ex-wife Asa Ellerup. He's already confessed to killing eight women. He's already told her he strangled and dismembered victims in the basement of the home they shared. He's already described to their daughter Victoria how his victims weren't real people in his mind. And on this call, he calls Asa "dear." And she smiles.That single moment tells you more about the aftermath of the Gilgo Beach case than anything that happened in the courtroom. Because Asa Ellerup isn't smiling because she doesn't care. She's smiling because thirty years of marriage built reflexes that a confession can't undo overnight. She's a woman caught between the life she lived and the life that was actually happening underneath it, and she hasn't figured out how to stop responding to the version of Rex that felt safe — even after learning what he really was.The docuseries reveals that Asa has renovated the Massapequa Park basement and moved into it. She sleeps every night in the room where her ex-husband admits he killed. She says it's spiritual. She says it's an apology. And then she takes his calls from jail and the warmth is still in her voice.I walk through everything in this episode — how Asa confronted him about the murder that allegedly happened days before their wedding, how Victoria asked her father if he saw his victims as human and got the worst possible answer, and why I think Asa's behavior isn't evidence of complicity but evidence of what it looks like when a life built on trust collapses and the person inside it has nowhere to stand.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #LISK #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachKiller #HouseOfSecrets #VictoriaHeuermann #KarenVergata #LongIslandSerialKiller #TrueCrime

Asa Ellerup heard her ex-husband confess to killing eight women. She heard him describe which ones he strangled in their basement, which ones he dismembered, and how he planned every murder except one while she and their children were out of town. She visited him in jail twelve times after that confession. And then she went home and moved into the room where he said he did it.That's the reality the final episode of the Peacock docuseries House of Secrets puts on screen. But what hit me hardest wasn't the basement. It was the phone calls. The cameras captured Rex calling Asa from jail, calling her "dear," and Asa smiling back at him through the phone. After everything. After the confession. After he told their daughter Victoria that he didn't see his victims as human beings. Asa still carries warmth for this man in her voice.And I don't think that makes her complicit. I think it makes her human in a way that's deeply uncomfortable to watch. Thirty years of marriage doesn't evaporate because of a confession. The wiring doesn't just rewire. She trusted the surface of her life because she was never given a reason not to, and now she's living inside the wreckage of that trust — literally sleeping in it — because she doesn't know any other way to process a truth that's too massive to hold.I break down the full confession, Victoria's gut-wrenching exchange with her father, the murder that allegedly happened days before Rex and Asa's wedding, and what Asa's journey from defender to mourner tells us about what it means to love someone who was hiding everything.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #LISK #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachKiller #HouseOfSecrets #VictoriaHeuermann #KarenVergata #LongIslandSerialKiller #TrueCrime

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Rex Heuermann pleaded guilty in Suffolk County Court to seven counts of murder and admitted to intentionally causing the death of Karen Vergata, an eighth victim incorporated into the plea agreement without separate prosecution. The plea followed the denial of every significant defense motion — including challenges to the admissibility of whole genome sequencing evidence, a motion to sever the charges into separate trials, and a 178-page omnibus motion. Whole genome sequencing was admitted in a New York courtroom for the first time. A deleted planning document was recovered from Heuermann's hard drive. The sentence — life without parole — was reportedly identical regardless of whether the case proceeded to trial or resolved by plea.A wrongful death lawsuit filed by Benjamin Torres — the son of victim Valerie Mack, who was six when his mother disappeared in 2000 — names Heuermann, his ex-wife Asa Ellerup, and their daughter Victoria Heuermann as defendants. The complaint alleges the two women had knowledge of or concealed the crimes, maintained access to a secured vault-like room in the basement of the approximately 1,300-square-foot Massapequa Park residence, and collected over one million dollars from a Peacock documentary production. The plaintiff's attorney, John Ray, has argued publicly that proximity and the physical dimensions of the residence make unawareness implausible. The complaint includes claims of willful blindness, unjust enrichment related to documentary compensation, and civil conspiracy.Defense counsel for Ellerup has characterized the lawsuit as reckless and unsupported. Victoria Heuermann was approximately three years old at the time of Mack's death. Prosecutors who built the criminal case against Heuermann have consistently maintained he acted alone and timed the killings for periods when his family was out of state. Neither Ellerup nor Victoria has been criminally charged. Hair evidence linked to both women was recovered from victims' remains. The prosecution has attributed this to household transference consistent with shared living space.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott provides analysis on the psychological mechanisms that enable prolonged unawareness within intimate partnerships involving offenders — specifically how identity structures built around a partner can create cognitive barriers to processing contradictory evidence. Criminal defense attorney Bob Motta examines the defense calculation behind the plea, the implications for open cases along the Gilgo corridor, and the practical enforceability of the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit cooperation agreement.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #ValerieMack #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #TrueCrimeToday #LISK #GuiltyPlea #WrongfulDeath #BobMotta

Benjamin Torres lost his mother when he was six years old. Valerie Mack disappeared in 2000. Her dismembered remains were found in Manorville that same year and went unidentified for two decades. Rex Heuermann has now pleaded guilty to her murder. But for Torres, the admission that ended the criminal case opened something else entirely — a wrongful death lawsuit naming Heuermann, his ex-wife Asa Ellerup, and their daughter Victoria as defendants.The complaint alleges the two women knew about or concealed the crimes, lived with access to a secured vault-like room in the basement of the Massapequa Park home, and collected over a million dollars from a Peacock documentary. Plaintiff's attorney John Ray has argued publicly that the family could not have been unaware in a house of roughly 1,300 square feet. Hair evidence linked to both Ellerup and Victoria was recovered from victims' remains. Prosecutors have attributed that to ordinary household transference. Ray frames it as evidence of proximity.The defense response has been aggressive. Ellerup's attorney called the suit reckless and completely unsupported by the facts. Victoria was approximately three when Mack was killed. Prosecutors have maintained consistently that Heuermann acted alone and timed his crimes for when the family was away. Neither woman has been charged.Asa called Heuermann her savior. She maintained she would have known if something was wrong. Victoria sat in the courtroom during the plea and has publicly said she believes her father most likely committed the killings. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott examines the psychology behind that split — how denial functions inside a family where one person's identity is built entirely around the other, and what happens when a guilty plea collapses the framework that held "not knowing" in place.Criminal defense attorney Bob Motta breaks down the legal mechanics of the plea itself. Every pre-trial motion failed — the DNA challenge, the motion to sever the cases, the 178-page omnibus motion. Whole genome sequencing was admitted in a New York courtroom for the first time. A deleted planning document was recovered from Heuermann's hard drive. The sentence — life without parole — was reportedly identical whether he went to trial or pled. So what did the plea actually accomplish? Motta examines what the defense calculated, what the families lost when the plea replaced testimony, and what open cases along the Gilgo corridor still need answers. Heuermann has agreed to cooperate with the FBI.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #ValerieMack #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #LISK #WrongfulDeath #ShavaunScott #BobMotta #HiddenKillers

Rex Heuermann pleaded guilty in Suffolk County Court to seven counts of murder — three first-degree and four second-degree — and admitted to intentionally causing the death of Karen Vergata, an eighth victim who had not been separately charged. The plea agreement was reached after the defense lost every significant pre-trial motion. The court ruled whole genome sequencing evidence admissible and consolidated all charges into a single proceeding. Trial was imminent.The plea structure reflects deliberate calculation. During a confidential proffer session, Heuermann raised Karen Vergata's killing unprompted. Her death was incorporated into the agreement without a separate prosecution or public presentation of the evidence against him in her case. The deal bars any further criminal charges related to all eight named victims. It also includes an FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit cooperation agreement requiring Heuermann to be "truthful, accurate, and complete" — though the agreement reportedly carries no enforcement mechanism if he refuses or provides misleading information. The Suffolk County District Attorney's office has stated it is reviewing hundreds of cold cases across the county. Defense counsel maintains there are no additional victims. Sentencing is scheduled for June, with the prosecution seeking consecutive life sentences without parole plus a consecutive term of one hundred years to life.A wrongful death lawsuit filed by Benjamin Torres — the son of victim Valerie Mack, who was six years old when his mother disappeared — names Heuermann, his ex-wife Asa Ellerup, and their daughter Victoria Heuermann as defendants. The complaint alleges the family had knowledge of the killings, actively concealed information, and profited from the case by collecting over a million dollars from a Peacock documentary production. The legal theory includes claims of unjust enrichment and civil conspiracy.Defense counsel has characterized the claims as reckless. Victoria Heuermann was approximately three years old at the time of Mack's death. Prosecutors who built the criminal case against Rex Heuermann have publicly stated the family was out of state during the killings. Neither Ellerup nor Victoria has been criminally charged. However, the complaint cites hair evidence linked to both women recovered from victims' remains. The prosecution attributes this to ordinary household transference consistent with shared living space. The plaintiff's counsel characterizes it as evidence of closer proximity to the crimes. The lawsuit raises significant legal questions regarding the application of wrongful death statutes of limitation, the viability of unjust enrichment claims against documentary earnings, and the boundaries of civil liability for knowledge or constructive knowledge of criminal conduct.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #ValerieMack #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #GuiltyPlea #WrongfulDeath #TrueCrimeToday #KarenVergata #CivilLawsuit

The prosecution's phone evidence in the Melissa Barthelemy case maps a precise geographic timeline. On July 12, 2009, a prepaid burner phone Barthelemy had communicated with traveled from Massapequa Park to Midtown Manhattan — the documented route between Rex Heuermann's residence and office. Hours later, Barthelemy's personal phone traveled that same corridor in reverse. Over the following five weeks, an individual using Barthelemy's phone placed calls to her 15-year-old sister Amanda, providing details of the killing. Each call originated from high-traffic Manhattan locations. Each lasted under three minutes. Each was directed at the minor sister, not at the victim's mother.Barthelemy, 24, held a cosmetology license from Buffalo and had relocated to New York. Prosecutors allege Heuermann also conducted internet searches for images of the victims' family members — including minors — following the killings.The civil aftermath of Heuermann's guilty plea is now unfolding alongside the criminal case. A wrongful death lawsuit filed by the son of victim Valerie Mack names Heuermann's ex-wife Asa Ellerup and their daughter Victoria as defendants. The complaint alleges the family derived financial benefit from a documentary production and demonstrated disregard for the victims. Ellerup's counsel has characterized the claims as reckless. Victoria Heuermann has made public statements indicating she believes her father most likely committed the charged killings — a position that creates its own legal implications in the civil proceeding. The guilty plea significantly alters the civil litigation landscape, as the admission of criminal liability eliminates the need for the plaintiff to independently establish the underlying acts.This week's coverage examines the phone trail evidence and its role in the prosecution's timeline, the wrongful death suit's legal theory and the family's civil exposure, and analysis from Robin Dreeke and Eric Faddis on the behavioral and legal dimensions of the case.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #MelissaBarthelemy #AsaEllerup #WrongfulDeath #LISK #TrueCrime #TrueCrimeToday #CivilLiability #GilgoFour