Podcast appearances and mentions of rex heuermann

True crime fans love spotting patterns, and this episode hands them three cases to compare at once: Nancy Guthrie, Nick Reiner, and Rex Heuermann. Nancy Guthrie has been missing for six months, and the note her family received remains the detail investigators can't fully explain. Nick Reiner is accused of murdering his parents, Rob and Michele, hours after a fight at a holiday party that other guests noticed and walked away from. Rex Heuermann, already serving three life sentences plus a hundred years, is generating new headlines because of an unlicensed therapist who worked closely with his family without disclosing who she really was. Tony Brueski and the Hidden Killers team use these three very different cases to explore a single idea: how warning signs get missed, normalized, or actively hidden, no matter how different the circumstances look on the surface. The show compares how each case has been handled by law enforcement, families, and the people closest to the situation, and asks what it would actually take to catch a warning sign before it becomes a headline. There's also an honest conversation about why true crime audiences are drawn to cases like these in the first place, and what it means to sit with three unresolved, ongoing investigations at once instead of the neat, closed-case stories true crime often gets criticized for favoring. Three cases. Zero clean endings. One pattern that connects all three, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. Hashtags #NancyGuthrie #NickReiner #RexHeuermann #TrueCrimeToday #TrueCrimePodcast #GilgoBeach #Brentwood #MissingPersons #SerialKiller #ColdCase 

This episode moves through three cases in one sitting: Nancy Guthrie, Nick Reiner, and Rex Heuermann, and by the end, a single pattern connects them all. Nancy Guthrie remains missing six months after vanishing from her Arizona home, and the note her family received continues to be the piece investigators can't fully explain away. Nick Reiner is accused of murdering his parents, Rob and Michele, hours after a fight at a holiday party that other guests noticed and walked away from anyway. Rex Heuermann, already serving three life sentences plus a hundred years, is back in the conversation because of an unlicensed therapist who worked closely with his family and wasn't who she claimed to be. Tony Brueski and the Hidden Killers team break down each case individually before drawing the thread between them: a warning that got missed, a behavior that got normalized, a professional who slipped through without anyone checking. The show also gives listeners an update on where each investigation stands, from the search for Nancy Guthrie, to Nick Reiner's not guilty plea and looming preliminary hearing, to the families still waiting on Rex Heuermann for answers about victims he hasn't been charged with. There's also a conversation about the concept of the "loving critic," someone close enough to say something before a situation goes too far, and why that person is so often missing at the exact moment they're needed most, whether it's a family, a friend group, or a professional relationship built on trust that wasn't earned. Three cases, three very different circumstances, and one uncomfortable question that ties them together. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. Hashtags #NancyGuthrie #NickReiner #RexHeuermann #HiddenKillers #TrueCrimePodcast #GilgoBeach #Brentwood #MissingPersons #ColdCase #TrueCrimeCommunity 

This episode of Hidden Killers Live does something a little different: instead of one deep dive, the team moves through three cases back to back, Nancy Guthrie, Nick Reiner, and Rex Heuermann, and takes listener questions on all three. Robin Drake, Todd Michaels, and Lisa Hale start with Nancy Guthrie, six months missing from her Arizona home, and answer listener questions about the note her family received and what it might mean. From there, the conversation moves to Nick Reiner, accused of murdering his parents hours after a fight at a party that other guests noticed and did nothing about, including a personal story from Lisa about watching her own son go through a mental health crisis. The episode closes on Rex Heuermann, already sentenced to three life sentences plus a hundred years, and the unlicensed therapist who worked closely with his family while hiding who she really was. Across all three cases, the hosts keep landing on the same theme: someone had a piece of information, a gut feeling, or a front-row seat to a warning sign, and it didn't reach the people who needed it in time. The team also fields tough listener questions about law enforcement's role in cases like these, the real barriers to getting people help before a crisis, and what "closure" actually looks like for families years into an unresolved case. Three cases, one live conversation, and a lot of questions the team doesn't pretend to have easy answers for. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. Hashtags #NancyGuthrie #NickReiner #RexHeuermann #HiddenKillersLive #TrueCrimePodcast #ListenerQA #GilgoBeach #Brentwood #MissingPersons #ColdCase 

True crime cases rarely end cleanly, and Rex Heuermann's is no exception. He's already serving three life sentences plus a hundred years for eight murders, but the detail true crime audiences can't stop talking about isn't about him. It's about the therapist who worked closely with his family. Tony Brueski and the Hidden Killers team break down reports that the therapist wasn't actually licensed, that she appeared on a Peacock special discussing details tied to her clients, and that she reportedly guided Heuermann's wife toward living in the remodeled bedroom connected to the murders. The show explains why none of this is expected to help Heuermann's legal team on appeal, according to the attorneys consulted on the case, and uses the moment to talk about a bigger pattern in true crime: people who get close to tragedy and decide to profit from it instead of walking away. There's also a harder conversation about why it took decades to catch Heuermann in the first place, and whether law enforcement bears some responsibility given how long his victims went unheard because of the work they did. The team draws comparisons to other high-profile cases involving marginalized victims, and talks through the real staffing and funding pressures that shape which cases get attention and which don't. The episode wraps with what's still unresolved: one victim still known only as Jane Doe, families who believe there are more victims Heuermann hasn't been charged with, and his agreement to sit down with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. Closure, the team agrees, is still a long way off for everyone this case touched. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. Hashtags #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #TrueCrimeToday #TrueCrimePodcast #LongIsland #SerialKiller #FBI #Ethics #ColdCase #TrueCrimeCommunity 

Rex Heuermann is already serving three life sentences plus a hundred years for eight murders, but the detail drawing the most attention has nothing to do with him directly. It's about the therapist who worked closely with his family. Tony Brueski and the Hidden Killers team break down how that therapist reportedly wasn't licensed, why she appeared on a Peacock special discussing case details tied to her clients, and why she reportedly guided Heuermann's wife toward living in the remodeled bedroom connected to the murders. The show walks through what it would take for that failure to actually help Heuermann's legal team on appeal, and why the attorneys consulted on the case say it doesn't hold up. There's also a conversation about why unlicensed professionals slip through the cracks in high-profile cases like this one, who's actually responsible for catching it, and what it says about the pull of notoriety when someone gets access to a story this big. The team draws comparisons to other cases where people close to a trial made questionable choices for attention or profit, and talks through the concept of the "loving critic," someone close enough to say, "you shouldn't be doing this," before it becomes a problem. The episode also revisits what's still unresolved in the larger case: one victim still known only as Jane Doe, families who believe there are more victims Heuermann hasn't been charged with, and his agreement to sit down with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. The team talks through why a case like this rarely delivers full closure, even after a guilty plea and a sentencing hearing. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. Hashtags #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers #TrueCrimePodcast #LongIsland #SerialKiller #FBI #Ethics #TrueCrimeCommunity #ColdCase 

Rex Heuermann is behind bars for eight murders, but Hidden Killers Live spent this episode on a question listeners keep sending in: what was really going on with the therapist working closely with his family? Robin Drake, Todd Michaels, and Lisa Hale take listener questions directly on this one, starting with reports that the therapist wasn't licensed, and that she appeared on a Peacock special discussing details tied to her clients. The hosts talk through whether that could open the door to an appeal, and share what the attorneys they've consulted on the case had to say about it. They also dig into a specific detail that's been bothering the team: reports that the therapist guided Heuermann's wife toward living in the remodeled bedroom connected to the murders. Listeners also push the hosts on a harder question sent in by a viewer named Karen, about whether law enforcement bears some responsibility for how long it took to catch Heuermann, given that his victims weren't taken seriously for years because of the work they did. The team draws parallels to other cases involving marginalized victims and talks through the real, systemic pressures investigators face when they're juggling far more cases than they can properly staff. The hosts close out the hour on what's still unresolved: one victim still known only as Jane Doe, families who believe more victims exist, and Heuermann's agreement to sit down with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit from inside Clinton Correctional. The team is honest about one thing: closure for every family affected by this case may never fully arrive. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. Hashtags #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillersLive #TrueCrimePodcast #ListenerQA #LongIsland #SerialKiller #FBI #Ethics #TrueCrimeCommunity 

This episode goes deeper into the detail from the Rex Heuermann case that's generated more questions than almost anything since his guilty plea: the therapist who worked closely with his family, and what she was reportedly hiding the entire time. Rex Heuermann pleaded guilty to eight murders and is now serving three life sentences plus a hundred years at Clinton Correctional. But according to reporting, the therapist involved with his family wasn't licensed, appeared on a Peacock special discussing details tied to her clients, and reportedly guided his wife toward living in the remodeled bedroom connected to the murders. Tony Brueski and the Hidden Killers team walk through how something like this slips through, who was actually responsible for catching it, and whether it gives Heuermann's legal team any real grounds for appeal. According to the attorneys the show consulted, it does not. The episode also revisits the parts of this case that remain unresolved. One victim is still known only as Jane Doe. Families in the courtroom have said they believe there are more victims Heuermann hasn't been charged with, and he's reportedly agreed to sit down with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, though the team is skeptical he'll give up everything he knows without using it as leverage first. There's also a longer look at how Heuermann evaded detection for decades while working as an architect and living just miles from where he left his victims, and what that says about how long it can take to catch someone who understands exactly how to avoid attention. For everyone following this case from the beginning, this episode covers the full picture: what's confirmed, what's still being investigated, and what may never be fully resolved. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. Hashtags #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeach #HeuermannCase #TrueCrimePodcast #LongIsland #SerialKiller #FBI #Ethics #HiddenKillers #ColdCase

The evidentiary chain that ultimately identified Rex Heuermann as the Gilgo Beach killer began with two pieces of information that sat dormant for more than a decade: a roommate's description of a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche, and a text message from a burner phone sent after a failed encounter the night before Amber Costello disappeared. This look back traces that chain from its origin through to the guilty plea.On September 1, 2010, a man matching Heuermann's description arrived at a West Babylon residence to meet Costello. Her roommate ran a scam, and the man left. A text followed from the burner: an acknowledgment of what happened and a request for a return visit. The following night, the man returned. Costello walked out to meet him. Her roommate, Dave Schaller, observed the truck. Costello was never seen again. When the Gilgo Beach task force was formed in 2022 and ran the vehicle description through registration databases, Heuermann's name surfaced. From there — surveillance, the pizza-crust DNA recovery, search warrants, the planning document, electronic device seizures, and ultimately the arrest and guilty plea.The segment also examines, with psychotherapist Shavaun Scott, the erosion-of-agency pattern connecting the Heuermann and Richins cases. Asa Ellerup spent twenty-seven years married to Heuermann and defended him for three years after his arrest before his guilty plea to eight murders. Eric Richins documented his wife's financial misconduct, changed his estate, and still could not leave. Scott examines the incremental loss of boundaries that keeps people in place — and turns the clinical research toward the listener. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AmberCostello #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #ChevyAvalanche #ShavaunScott #ErosionOfAgency #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

It does not start with a crisis. It starts with a compromise so small you don't think to question it. Then another. Then a hundred more. And one day you realize you have no idea who you are anymore. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott ties two of the most confounding cases in true crime together through a single thread — the erosion of agency — and turns the conversation toward anyone who's been making small compromises they barely notice.Asa Ellerup was married to Rex Heuermann for twenty-seven years. She defended him for three years after his arrest. Then he pleaded guilty to eight murders — seven committed inside their shared home. Eric Richins saw everything his wife Kouri was allegedly doing — told his family, changed his will, consulted a lawyer — and still couldn't walk out the door. Kouri has since been convicted of his murder. Scott examines the psychological machinery that keeps people tethered: the incremental loss of boundaries, the normalization of what would once have been unthinkable, and the moment when leaving feels more dangerous than staying.This is the conversation that bridges both cases — not to equate the dynamics, but to illuminate the pattern that runs through them. Scott recently explored this research on her Substack and brings that clinical depth to these two real-world frameworks. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where both cases stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AsaEllerup #RexHeuermann #EricRichins #KouriRichins #GilgoBeachKiller #ShavaunScott #ErosionOfAgency #DomesticViolence #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

 A truck description sat in a case file for over a decade. A roommate who saw a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche the night Amber Costello walked out and never came back. A text from a burner phone that read: "That was not nice, so do I get credit for next time." When the Gilgo Beach task force ran that vehicle through registration databases in 2022, Rex Heuermann's name came back. Everything followed from there. This look back examines how the last known victim became the key that unlocked the entire case.Amber was twenty-seven, from North Carolina, battling addiction, living in West Babylon with roommates. Friends described her as generous and funny. Her sister said publicly she forgives Heuermann — and that Amber would have too. The night before Amber disappeared, Heuermann had been scammed at the same address — her roommate ran a hustle, and he left empty-handed. The text he sent afterward, and his return the following night, created the evidence trail that would eventually end a seventeen-year killing spree.Without Amber's case — the witness, the truck, the text — Heuermann might still be walking free. From the Avalanche came surveillance, the pizza-crust DNA, the warrants, the planning document, and ultimately a guilty plea to eight murders. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting. Amber Costello cracked this case open. She deserves to be remembered for more than what was done to her.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AmberCostello #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #GilgoFour #ChevyAvalanche #ColdCase #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

Amber Costello was twenty-seven, from North Carolina, battling addiction, and living with roommates in West Babylon. Friends described her as generous and funny. Her sister said publicly she forgives Rex Heuermann — and that Amber would have too. And without her case, Heuermann might still be walking free. This look back puts Amber first — her life before the case file — and then traces how the evidence surrounding her disappearance became the key that unlocked the entire Gilgo Beach investigation.The night before Amber vanished, Heuermann was scammed at her address — her roommate ran a hustle, and he left empty-handed. Then came a text from his burner phone. Then he came back. Amber walked out to meet him. Her roommate Dave Schaller saw the truck — a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche. That description and that text sat in a file for over a decade until the 2022 task force ran them through registration databases and Heuermann's name surfaced. Surveillance followed. Then the pizza-crust DNA. Then the warrants, the house searches, the planning document, the arrest, and ultimately a guilty plea to eight murders.The segment also turns the lens inward through psychotherapist Shavaun Scott's examination of the erosion-of-agency pattern — connecting the Heuermann and Richins cases through the same thread: how control doesn't begin with a crisis but with compromises so incremental you don't see the cage being built until you're inside it. Asa Ellerup lived inside that cage for twenty-seven years. Eric Richins saw it clearly and still couldn't leave. Scott turns the conversation toward anyone who recognizes those small concessions in their own life. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AmberCostello #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #GilgoFour #ShavaunScott #ErosionOfAgency #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #TheGilgoBeachCase

During sessions documented in a recent documentary, Rex Heuermann described a structured four-day cycle: preparation, the killing and its aftermath, cleanup, and a buffer day. He said he timed his disposals, reducing the duration from over two minutes on his first to under forty seconds on his last — a self-competition in efficiency. He also stated he cannot connect the person who committed those acts to the person he considers himself to be. This look back, with psychotherapist Shavaun Scott, examines what those disclosures reveal about the psychological architecture of a convicted serial killer.Scott analyzes the compartmentalization Heuermann describes — the claimed inability to merge his two selves — and whether it represents genuine dissociation or a performed narrative designed to maintain control even in confession. She examines the reported onset of violent ideation in adolescence, the escalation into action, and what FBI profiler John Douglas meant when he compared Heuermann to BTK and noted that Heuermann possessed an operational advantage Rader lacked. The question of whether Heuermann is still shaping the narrative from behind bars is central to Scott's analysis.The segment also addresses Victoria Heuermann — the daughter who sat across from her father in custody, heard his admission, forgave him immediately, and asked whether he ever thought about her during the killings. His answer — that the two worlds never crossed — is itself a clinical data point Scott examines. Victoria's processing of the disclosure, including reported depression and self-worth collapse, raises questions about the psychological inheritance of a serial offender's compartmentalization. Heuermann pleaded guilty to seven murders and admitted to an eighth. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #KillCycle #JohnDouglas #ShavaunScott #SerialKillerPsychology #Compartmentalization #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

Have you ever sat with a serial killer before? Rex Heuermann asked that question to a therapist inside Suffolk County Correctional — and the way he asked it told her everything. It wasn't vulnerability. It was a man performing his own legend. What came after was far more revealing. This look back examines what the documentary sessions produced — details no courtroom would have.Heuermann described a four-day cycle he refined over years: preparation, the killing and what he called the aftermath, cleanup, and a buffer day. He said he timed his disposals with a stopwatch — from over two minutes on his first to under forty seconds on his last. He was competing with himself. Perfecting a system. And when he looks at crime scene photos in his cell, he says he can't connect the person in them to himself. The two worlds don't merge. FBI profiler John Douglas sat with the family therapist and gave his assessment — comparing Heuermann to BTK and noting that Heuermann had something Dennis Rader envied: the space, the room, the uninterrupted ability to carry out his compulsions.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott breaks down what the documentary revealed about the psychological architecture — the violent ideation that reportedly began in adolescence, the escalation into action, the compartmentalization that allowed him to function as a husband and father while killing. She examines whether his confession-session behavior represents genuine disclosure or another form of the control that defined the crimes themselves. Heuermann pleaded guilty to seven murders and admitted to an eighth. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #JohnDouglas #ShavaunScott #KillCycle #SerialKillerPsychology #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

She asked the question no daughter should ever have to ask: did you ever think about me when you were doing this? Rex Heuermann said no. The two worlds never crossed. Victoria Heuermann heard that answer sitting across from her father in a jailhouse room — after he'd just admitted to killing eight women in the house where she grew up — and she forgave him on the spot. This look back sits with both halves of that exchange and everything they reveal.Nobody thinks about the daughter of the serial killer. Victoria said that herself. And the documentary showed what living inside that identity looks like — a young woman cycling between depression and anger, whose sense of self has been shattered, who has questioned whether she should even be here. She said her father was a loving dad and a serial killer. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott examines whether those two things can coexist as truth, or whether that framework is itself a form of the compartmentalization that allowed Rex to do what he did.Then the documentary went deeper into Rex's own mind. Sessions where he described a four-day cycle refined over years. Disposals timed with a stopwatch. Crime scene photos he reviews in his cell while claiming he can't connect himself to the person who created them. He asked the therapist if she'd ever sat with a serial killer before — not with vulnerability, but with performance. FBI profiler John Douglas compared him to BTK. Scott examines whether Rex is still controlling the narrative even in confession — and whether Victoria's forgiveness is something she arrived at freely, or something he's still shaping from behind bars. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#VictoriaHeuermann #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #ShavaunScott #JohnDouglas #SerialKillerDaughter #Forgiveness #TrueCrime #TheGilgoBeachCase

It sounds like a legal thriller, but it's real. Rex Heuermann confessed to eight murders during family sessions run by Allison Winter, a counselor now facing eighteen felonies for allegedly practicing without a license and billing insurance for more than sixty thousand dollars. Legal analyst Eric Faddis lays out why that detail could give Heuermann's defense a genuine argument on appeal, even though undoing a guilty plea is far harder than winning after a trial verdict.Faddis breaks down the privilege fight too, whether confidentiality still protects sessions with someone who wasn't actually licensed, and what that could mean for everything Heuermann said behind those walls.From there we move to the D4VD case, where a status conference and a new Hulu documentary landed at nearly the same moment in the death of fourteen-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Faddis explains why the documentary's confident, on-camera commentary from an LAPD detective and the district attorney could actually help the defense during jury selection, and why moving the trial out of California could genuinely be on the table. We also dig into the purchase history investigators have flagged, chainsaws, a burn box, bags, and what Faddis says it suggests about how many people may have been involved, with the preliminary hearing set for the twenty-first.Every time one of these cases looks buttoned up, a new thread pulls it back open. We cover all three.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #D4VD #TrueCrimeToday #TrueCrime #AllisonWinter #CelesteRivasHernandez #AppealTheory #TrueCrimeNews #LegalAnalysis #PreliminaryHearing

 Rex Heuermann confessed to eight murders in front of his own family, in sessions run by a counselor who had no legal right to be there. Allison Winter now faces eighteen felonies for allegedly posing as a licensed clinical social worker and billing insurance for more than sixty thousand dollars while treating Heuermann for nearly three years. Legal analyst Eric Faddis joins us to explain why that detail might matter more than anyone expected.Faddis walks through a theory his team believes could carry real weight: Heuermann pled guilty, in part, to keep his wife and daughter off the witness stand. If the confession that drove that decision came from a deceptive setup, does the entire foundation of the plea come into question? We also break down the privilege fight, whether confidentiality still applies when the person hearing your confession wasn't actually who she claimed to be.From there we pivot to the D4VD case, where a status conference and a new Hulu documentary landed almost simultaneously in the death of fourteen-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Faddis breaks down why an LAPD detective and the district attorney appearing on camera could open both of them up to tough cross-examination, and why the defense may push hard on whether a fair trial is possible after this level of exposure. We also cover the purchase history investigators have flagged and what it suggests about who else may have been involved, with the preliminary hearing now set for the twenty-first.Every time one of these cases looks settled, something new pulls a thread loose.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #D4VD #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #AllisonWinter #CelesteRivasHernandez #LegalAnalysis #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalCase #GuiltyPleaAppeal

Asa and Victoria sat in the room while Rex Heuermann confessed to eight murders. The woman running those sessions, Allison Winter, is now the one facing prison time, charged with practicing as a clinical social worker without a license for nearly three years. Legal analyst Eric Faddis returns to dig into whether that detail gives Heuermann's defense a real opening, starting with the theory that his guilty plea itself may have been built on a fraudulent foundation.Faddis walks through the privilege question everyone's been asking: does confidentiality still protect a conversation with someone who wasn't legally a therapist? He breaks down both sides of that fight and what it could mean if Heuermann's team tries to challenge the plea on appeal.Then we turn to the D4VD case, where a new Hulu documentary and a fresh status conference collided in the death of fourteen-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Faddis explains why the documentary's on-camera interviews with an LAPD detective and the district attorney could become a serious liability during cross-examination, and why the defense may argue the case has already been tried publicly before it ever reaches a jury. We also cover the purchase history prosecutors have flagged and what it suggests about how many people were involved, with the preliminary hearing coming up on the twenty-first.Three cases, three legal fights, all colliding on the same day. We break down every angle with Eric.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #D4VD #HiddenKillersLive #TrueCrime #AllisonWinter #CelesteRivasHernandez #LegalBreakdown #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalDefense #PreliminaryHearing

It keeps happening. Someone standing just off to the side of a major criminal case ends up changing everything. In the Alec Murdaugh case, it was Becky Hill, whose conduct triggered a retrial. In the Nancy Guthrie case, it was questions swirling around Sheriff Nanos. Now it's Allison Winter, the woman who counseled Rex Heuermann inside the Suffolk County Jail for nearly three years — without a license to do so.Winter is facing eighteen felonies, including grand larceny, scheme to defraud, and unauthorized practice of a profession, for allegedly posing as a licensed clinical social worker and billing insurance companies for more than sixty thousand dollars while treating Heuermann and his family. She sat in on sessions around the time of his private confession, and she was a visible presence in the Peacock documentary that covered the case.We break down why this pattern keeps showing up in high-profile true crime cases — someone adjacent to the defendant, operating with access they arguably shouldn't have, ending up at the center of a legal mess that outlasts the original case itself. Legal analyst Eric Faddis joins to explain why Heuermann's guilty plea makes it difficult for this development to become grounds for appeal, even though the optics are damning. We also get into the insurance fraud charges themselves, and why prosecutors are likely to treat this case with real severity given the manipulation involved, not just the paperwork.This is a story about access, oversight, and what happens when the person closest to a defendant turns out to be the biggest liability in the room. We lay out the timeline and the fallout.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AllisonWinter #TrueCrimeToday #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #MurdaughComparison #SuffolkCounty #TrueCrimeNews #CriminalCase #InsuranceFraud

 It sounds like a legal thriller, but it's real. Rex Heuermann confessed to eight murders during family sessions run by a woman with no license to be in the room, and now that detail might give his defense something to work with. Legal analyst Eric Faddis lays out the theory: Heuermann may have pled guilty in large part to spare his ex-wife and daughter from testifying about that confession, and if the confession itself was obtained through a fraudulent setup, the reasoning behind the plea could be challenged.Faddis is careful to note this wouldn't be an easy win. Undoing a guilty plea is far harder than winning an appeal after a trial verdict, but he calls it a creative avenue worth watching. From there, the conversation turns to privilege. Does confidentiality still protect conversations with someone who wasn't actually a licensed therapist? Faddis breaks down both sides of that fight, the government likely arguing the protection only covers real clinicians, the defense arguing it protects the patient regardless of the other person's paperwork.We also dig into the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine, and why it probably doesn't apply here since Winter wasn't a government employee acting on the state's behalf. Every time this case looks buttoned up, a new thread pulls it back open, and this might be one of the more consequential ones yet.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AllisonWinter #TrueCrimeToday #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #AppealTheory #SuffolkCounty #TrueCrimeNews #LegalAnalysis #CriminalCase

Rex Heuermann's guilty plea may hinge on a conversation that never should have happened the way it did. His ex-wife and daughter were in the room when he confessed to eight murders, in sessions facilitated by Allison Winter — the counselor now charged with practicing without a license. Legal analyst Eric Faddis lays out a theory that could shape what happens next: if Heuermann pled guilty in part to spare his family from testifying about that confession, and the confession itself was obtained by someone posing as a licensed clinician, does that change everything about why he entered the plea in the first place.Faddis walks through the argument step by step. Heuermann's team could claim he wouldn't have pled guilty if he'd known the person hearing his confession wasn't legally who she claimed to be. It's a creative legal theory, and Faddis is upfront that success on appeal is far from guaranteed. From there, the conversation shifts to privilege. Does confidentiality protect a conversation with someone who turns out not to be a real therapist? Faddis breaks down the tension between two positions: the government arguing the protection only applies to licensed professionals, and the defense arguing it protects the patient's reasonable expectation regardless of the other person's credentials.We also dig into whether any of this constitutes fruit of the poisonous tree, and why that particular doctrine likely doesn't apply since Winter was never a government actor. Every time this case seems settled, something new complicates it further.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AllisonWinter #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #GuiltyPleaAppeal #SuffolkCounty #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalCase #LegalAnalysis

Allison Winter spent nearly three years inside the Suffolk County Jail, counseling Rex Heuermann and his family session after session. She was there for some of the most consequential conversations of his case. She just wasn't legally allowed to be doing any of it.Winter is now facing eighteen felony charges, including grand larceny, scheme to defraud, and unauthorized practice of a profession, for allegedly posing as a licensed clinical social worker without the credentials New York requires. Prosecutors say she billed major insurance companies for more than sixty thousand dollars while treating Heuermann, one of the most closely watched accused killers in the country. The question we can't stop asking: how does someone without a license get that kind of sustained access to a high-profile inmate in the first place?We dig into what usually happens during jail visitation vetting for cases like this, and where that process appears to have broken down. Was it a system that failed to check credentials, or someone who knew exactly how to work around it? Legal analyst Eric Faddis joins us to walk through the mechanics — what the institution is supposed to verify before letting someone into these sessions, and why this kind of gap is more than just an administrative slip.We also look at what this means going forward. Winter was a visible presence in the Peacock documentary covering the case, appearing on camera during some of the family's most difficult moments. Now that her credentials are in question, so is the credibility of everything that happened in those sessions. We break down the charges, the money trail, and the access that made all of it possible.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AllisonWinter #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #JailhouseFraud #SuffolkCounty #TrueCrimeCommunity #CriminalCase #InsuranceFraud

 Asa and Victoria sat in the room while Rex Heuermann confessed to eight murders. The woman guiding those family sessions, Allison Winter, is now the one facing prison time for allegedly running the whole arrangement without a valid license. We bring back legal analyst Eric Faddis to dig deeper into what this means, starting with a theory that could actually matter on appeal: did Heuermann plead guilty specifically to protect his family from having to testify about what he confessed, and if that confession came out of a deceptive setup, does the reasoning behind his plea collapse.From there we get into the privilege fight everyone's been asking about. Does confidentiality still cover conversations with someone who wasn't legally a therapist? Faddis breaks down how this could play out in court, government prosecutors likely arguing the protection only applies to real clinicians, defense attorneys countering that it protects the patient's expectation of privacy regardless of who was sitting across from them. We also tackle the HIPAA question directly, and whether any of these sessions could now be treated as fair game for investigators.Then there's the fruit of the poisonous tree question, and why Faddis thinks it likely doesn't apply here since Winter was never acting on the government's behalf. This is one of those side stories that keeps threatening to reshape the entire case, and we walk through every angle of it.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AllisonWinter #HiddenKillersLive #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #PrivilegeQuestion #SuffolkCounty #TrueCrimePodcast #LegalBreakdown #CriminalDefense

Rex Heuermann confessed privately to his own family in a room where an unlicensed therapist was sitting in. Allison Winter counseled Heuermann and his family for nearly three years inside the Suffolk County Jail, present around the time of that confession, and she's now facing eighteen felony charges for allegedly practicing without a license and billing insurance for more than sixty thousand dollars.We get into the legal weeds on this one with Eric Faddis, a former prosecutor and current defense attorney. First question: does therapist-patient privilege even apply if the therapist was never legitimately licensed to begin with? Faddis walks through why that confidentiality question might not be as simple as it sounds, and what it could mean for Heuermann if he ever wanted to challenge what came out of those sessions.Then there's the plea itself. Heuermann already pled guilty, and Faddis explains why that decision makes any appeal built around Winter's lack of licensure an uphill fight — appellate courts give far less weight to complaints raised after a guilty plea than after a trial verdict. We also break down the insurance fraud angle, why prosecutors tend to treat cases involving manipulation of real people more seriously than simple paperwork fraud, and whether Winter could be exposed to civil lawsuits from anyone connected to the case.This is one of the stranger side stories to come out of the Heuermann saga, and it raises a real question about how these institutions vet the people who get closest to their highest-profile inmates. We walk through the charges, the legal exposure, and what happens next.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AllisonWinter #HiddenKillersLive #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #LegalAnalysis #TherapistPrivilege #SuffolkCounty #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalDefense

Rex Heuermann confessed to eight murders in front of his ex-wife and daughter, in sessions run by a counselor who had no legal right to be there. Legal analyst Eric Faddis returns to dig deeper into what that could mean for Heuermann's case going forward, starting with the theory that could actually carry weight on appeal: did he plead guilty specifically to keep his family off the witness stand, and if the confession that drove that decision came from a deceptive setup, does the entire foundation of the plea come into question.Faddis is upfront that this wouldn't be a straightforward path to overturning anything, but calls it a genuinely creative legal theory worth tracking. We also dig into the privilege fight directly, whether confidentiality still applies to sessions with someone who wasn't actually a licensed therapist, and how a court might weigh the patient's expectation of privacy against the fact that the person on the other side of the room had no real credentials.From there, Faddis addresses the HIPAA question and whether any of Heuermann's statements to Winter could now become fair game for further investigation. We also walk through why the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine likely doesn't apply here, since Winter was acting as a private individual, not a government agent. This continues to be one of the strangest threads in the entire case, and it isn't finished unraveling.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AllisonWinter #HeuermannCase #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #SuffolkCounty #GuiltyPleaChallenge #TrueCrimePodcast #LegalTheory #CriminalJustice

For nearly three years, Allison Winter sat across from Rex Heuermann inside the Suffolk County Jail, week after week, counseling him and his family through some of the most consequential moments of his case. She was there around the time he privately confessed to his son and wife. What she wasn't, according to prosecutors, was a licensed clinical social worker.Winter now faces eighteen felony charges, including grand larceny, scheme to defraud, and unauthorized practice of a profession, for allegedly billing Cigna, UnitedHealthcare, and Medicare for more than sixty thousand dollars while treating Heuermann without the credentials New York requires. She appeared prominently in the Peacock documentary covering the case, present for some of the family's rawest moments on camera.We focus specifically on what this means for Heuermann himself. Legal analyst Eric Faddis explains whether an unlicensed therapist sitting in on private sessions could give Heuermann's defense any traction, and why his guilty plea makes that path far harder than if the case had gone to trial. We also examine whether therapist-patient privilege still applies when the "therapist" wasn't legitimately licensed in the first place, and what that could mean for anything said in those sessions.This is a deep look at the access Winter had, the money she allegedly took, and the question that hangs over the entire arrangement: how did someone without proper credentials get that close, for that long, to one of the most closely watched inmates in the country. We break down the charges and what comes next.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #AllisonWinter #HeuermannCase #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #SuffolkCounty #JailhouseAccess #TrueCrimePodcast #CriminalJustice #InsuranceFraud

The distinction matters. Rex Heuermann's defense attorney characterized the plea as a "calculated pivot," and the structure of the agreement supports that reading. This look back examines the plea not as a moment of reckoning but as a strategic act — and assesses what Heuermann secured in the process.Every pre-trial motion had failed: the DNA challenge, the motion for separate trials, the omnibus motion. Trial was months away with no viable defense remaining. The plea agreement encompasses seven murder convictions and an admission to an eighth killing — Karen Vergata, whom Heuermann was never separately charged with killing. Her case was raised by the defense during a confidential session and incorporated into the deal, foreclosing separate prosecution. The agreement reportedly bars further charges related to all eight named victims. The FBI cooperation requirement, while included, reportedly carries no enforceable consequences for non-compliance.The DA's office has acknowledged it is reviewing hundreds of cold cases across Suffolk County. Heuermann's attorney maintains there are no additional victims. The segment also addresses the psychological dimension through psychotherapist Shavaun Scott's examination of Asa Ellerup — the ex-wife who, according to a documentary, returned to the basement of the home where the crimes were committed. Scott's analysis frames her behavior not as evidence of complicity but as a manifestation of profound psychological conditioning shaped by a documented history of trauma. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting, distinguishing the legal record from the behavioral interpretation.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #GuiltyPlea #KarenVergata #PleaStrategy #ShavaunScott #AsaEllerup #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

 During a confidential session before the plea, Rex Heuermann brought up Karen Vergata — a woman he was never charged with killing. Her case was folded into the agreement. No separate prosecution. No public presentation of the evidence against him in her death. This look back examines a plea that wasn't just about admitting guilt — it was about controlling what came out and what stayed buried.The defense attorney called it a calculated pivot. Every pre-trial motion had failed. The DNA was admissible. The charges would be tried together. There was no path to acquittal. But the plea agreement reportedly bars further prosecution related to all eight named victims and includes a cooperation agreement with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit that, according to reporting, carries no enforceable consequences if Heuermann refuses or lies. For a man who spent decades organizing his crimes into checklists and phases, the plea reads less like surrender and more like one last piece of planning.The DA's office has acknowledged it is reviewing hundreds of cold cases across Suffolk County. Heuermann's attorney insists there are no additional victims. The families packed the courtroom — some weeping as he described how he met, strangled, and disposed of each woman. His ex-wife Asa spoke afterward, directing her thoughts to the victims' families. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting. The question that won't go away is whether a man who planned everything planned his exit too.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #KarenVergata #GuiltyPlea #CalculatedPivot #PleaDeal #LongIslandSerialKiller #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

Asa Ellerup heard her ex-husband admit to eight murders. She heard that women were strangled in the basement of the home they shared. And according to a documentary, she moved back into that basement — into the room where it happened — and says she sleeps there now to spiritually honor the victims. The reaction was swift and brutal. People called it proof she knew all along. This look back, with psychotherapist Shavaun Scott, argues they're missing what's actually happening — and what's actually happening is far more disturbing than complicity.Scott examines Asa's documented history: adopted and never feeling she belonged, harmed as a teenager, a past attempt to end her own life. Rex stepped into that wreckage and told her he'd take care of everything. For almost thirty years, he did — while, according to his own admission, simultaneously killing women under the same roof. Scott breaks down the difference between denial and constructed reality, why a therapist working with the family reportedly said anything Rex said overwrote everything else, and what it means for someone's psychological framework when the person who destroyed their life is also the only person they ever felt safe with.This isn't an excuse. It isn't a condemnation. It's a clinical examination of what a lifetime of trauma does to someone's capacity to see — and what happens when a guilty plea removes the last foundation that person was standing on. Scott has spent more than thirty years working with survivors, and this conversation is built to reframe the instinct to call Asa complicit. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #AsaEllerup #LISK #ShavaunScott #CrimePsychology #TraumaBond #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

A guilty plea to seven counts of murder, with an admission to an eighth, establishes the underlying facts for purposes of civil litigation. This look back, with defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis, examines the wrongful death lawsuit filed in the wake of Rex Heuermann's plea and what it means for his family's legal exposure.The suit, filed by the son of victim Valerie Mack, names Asa Ellerup and their daughter Victoria Heuermann as defendants, alleging the family profited from a documentary and demonstrated disregard for the victims. Counsel for Ellerup has characterized the claims as reckless. Faddis analyzes the legal theory — what a wrongful death action requires, how the guilty plea alters the evidentiary landscape in civil proceedings, and where the line falls between proximity to a convicted offender and actionable legal liability. He addresses whether the allegations as currently framed are likely to survive initial legal challenges.The segment also examines the plea agreement itself. Heuermann's attorney described the guilty plea as a "sense of relief" for his client — language that behavioral analysts read very differently than the general public might. Retired FBI Behavioral Analysis Chief Robin Dreeke assesses what that framing reveals about the defendant's psychological relationship to his crimes, and what the FBI cooperation requirement — part of the plea agreement — is designed to produce. Heuermann confirmed strangulation as the cause of death for each victim and is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #WrongfulDeath #AsaEllerup #EricFaddis #RobinDreeke #CivilLiability #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

Rex Heuermann's guilty plea ended the criminal case. It may have opened a new front entirely. A wrongful death lawsuit filed by the son of victim Valerie Mack names Asa Ellerup and their daughter Victoria as defendants, alleging the family profited from a documentary and showed disregard for the victims. Asa's attorney has called the claims reckless. Victoria has publicly stated she believes her father most likely committed the killings. This look back, with defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis, examines what the family's legal exposure actually looks like now that the guilty plea has established the underlying facts.Faddis walks through the legal theory of the wrongful death action — what it requires, how a guilty plea accelerates civil liability, and what the family's realistic exposure is. He addresses the difference between criminal culpability and civil responsibility, and whether the allegations in the lawsuit have the evidentiary support to survive early challenges.Retired FBI Behavioral Analysis Chief Robin Dreeke adds the behavioral layer: how the people closest to a serial offender process the aftermath of a courtroom confession, what the research says about compartmentalization at this scale, and what it means that a mother and daughter who shared a home with this man reached opposite conclusions about his guilt — one maintaining she knew nothing, the other publicly acknowledging she believed it. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #WrongfulDeath #EricFaddis #RobinDreeke #LISK #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

His attorney said it out loud: pleading guilty to killing eight women was a "sense of relief" for Rex Heuermann. Not sorrow. Not a reckoning. Relief — as if the admission freed him from something he'd been carrying rather than confronting what he'd done. This look back, with retired FBI Behavioral Analysis Chief Robin Dreeke, reads that word choice for what it reveals about the person inside the plea.Dreeke breaks down the behavioral framework — what "relief" signals about how Heuermann relates to what he did, why the documented methodology matters more than the courtroom moment, and what the planning document tells behavioral analysts about a mind that organized murder into checklists with phases for before, during, and after. Prosecutors described one of the most deliberate patterns investigators say they've documented in a serial killing case — all of it stored on a computer in a house where his wife and children lived.Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis adds the legal dimension: what the defense actually gained from the plea when the sentence was effectively the same either way, what the FBI cooperation requirement looks like in practice, and what the Behavioral Analysis Unit typically seeks from a convicted serial offender who has agreed to participate. The panel also addresses the wrongful death lawsuit filed against Asa Ellerup and Victoria Heuermann — the civil consequences now flowing from the criminal admission. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #RobinDreeke #EricFaddis #BehavioralAnalysis #GuiltyPlea #FBIBAU #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

The evidentiary architecture connecting Rex Heuermann to the murders of Maureen Brainard-Barnes and Melissa Barthelemy rests on two pillars: digital communications data and DNA. This look back examines how prosecutors constructed those connections and what they reveal about the methodology investigators spent more than a decade trying to identify.In Maureen's case, prosecutors alleged Heuermann used prepaid phones to make contact, that cell-tower records placed those phones in Massapequa Park — his home area — and that he accessed her voicemail after her disappearance. DNA recovered from a leather belt used to bind her remains matched the profile of Heuermann's wife. Maureen, twenty-five, a mother of two, had traveled from Connecticut to Manhattan seeking income she could not find elsewhere. She was the first of the Gilgo Four to disappear, in July 2007.In Melissa's case, the phone trail is even more granular. A prepaid phone she had connected with traveled the route between Massapequa Park and Midtown Manhattan on the day she vanished — matching the commute between Heuermann's home and office. Her own phone traveled the reverse route hours later. Five weeks of subsequent calls to her fifteen-year-old sister — always under three minutes, always from high-traffic Manhattan locations — demonstrated a pattern prosecutors characterized as deliberate psychological targeting. Heuermann pleaded guilty to both murders, confirming strangulation as the cause of death. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #MaureenBrainardBarnes #MelissaBarthelemy #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #CellTowerData #DNAEvidence #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

For five weeks after Melissa Barthelemy vanished, someone used her phone to call her fifteen-year-old sister Amanda. Always from crowded Manhattan locations. Always under three minutes. Always targeting the teenager, never the mother. The calls described what had happened in terms designed to terrorize a child. Rex Heuermann pleaded guilty to Melissa's murder. This look back examines the phone evidence that helped build the case — and what those calls reveal about the person investigators spent over a decade trying to identify.The phone trail is precise. A burner phone Melissa had connected with traveled from Massapequa Park to Midtown Manhattan on the day she disappeared — the exact route between Heuermann's home and his architecture office. Hours later, Melissa's own phone traveled the same route in reverse. Prosecutors also alleged Heuermann searched online for images of the victims' families — their sisters, their children — after their deaths. The calls to Amanda weren't random cruelty. They were targeted.Melissa was a cosmetology graduate from Buffalo who dreamed of owning her own salon. The city was expensive. The salon job was slow. She ended up in circumstances she never planned for. This segment also covers Maureen Brainard-Barnes — the first of the Gilgo Four to disappear in 2007, a twenty-five-year-old mother of two whose daughter Nicolette was seven when she lost her mother. Heuermann pleaded guilty to both murders. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting. Their stories come first. The evidence follows.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#MelissaBarthelemy #MaureenBrainardBarnes #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #TauntingCalls #GilgoFour #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

The phone evidence in the Gilgo Beach case traces an exact route — from Massapequa Park to Midtown Manhattan and back — between Rex Heuermann's home and his architecture office. It's the spine of two of the seven murder charges he pleaded guilty to, and this look back walks through how that digital trail connected Maureen Brainard-Barnes and Melissa Barthelemy to the man who admitted to killing them.Maureen vanished in July 2007 after telling a friend she was leaving to meet a client. Prosecutors alleged Heuermann used burner phones to contact her, that cell-tower data placed those phones in Massapequa Park, and that he checked her voicemail after she disappeared. DNA on a leather belt used to bind her remains matched his wife's profile. She was the first of the Gilgo Four to disappear — a twenty-five-year-old mother whose daughter was seven.Melissa vanished two years later, in July 2009. The burner phone she'd connected with traveled the Massapequa-to-Manhattan route on the day she disappeared. Hours later, her own phone traveled back in the opposite direction. Then came five weeks of calls to her fifteen-year-old sister — targeted, timed, always under three minutes. Prosecutors alleged Heuermann searched online afterward for images of the victims' families. Heuermann pleaded guilty to both murders, confirming strangulation in each case. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #MelissaBarthelemy #MaureenBrainardBarnes #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #BurnerPhones #CellTowerData #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

A guilty plea provides certainty — conviction, sentence, finality on the charged cases. It does not provide the full public accounting a trial would have produced. This look back, with criminal defense attorney Bob Motta, examines what Rex Heuermann's plea resolves and what it leaves open.Heuermann pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder and four counts of second-degree murder, and admitted to killing an eighth woman as part of the agreement. He confirmed strangulation as the cause of death for each victim. He is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. The plea eliminates the risk of acquittal but also eliminates the evidentiary presentation, cross-examination, and public testimony that the victims' families were preparing to hear.Motta examines the mechanics of the plea from both sides: what the defense gained by avoiding trial when every pre-trial motion had failed, and what the prosecution secured through the cooperation requirement with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. He addresses the additional cases connected to the Gilgo Beach corridor — victims whose remains were found in the area but who were never charged to Heuermann — and whether the plea agreement and FBI cooperation may produce answers on those cases. The segment also considers the psychological dimension, with psychotherapist Shavaun Scott examining the dynamics inside the Heuermann family: an ex-wife who maintained she knew nothing and a daughter who publicly stated her belief in his guilt. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #GuiltyPlea #BobMotta #ShavaunScott #UnansweredQuestions #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

Every door closed. The DNA challenge failed. The motion for separate trials was denied. The 178-page omnibus motion was rejected. And then Rex Heuermann, who had spent nearly three years insisting through tears that he didn't do this, stood up and pleaded guilty to seven murders — and admitted to an eighth. This look back, with criminal defense attorney Bob Motta, examines the mechanics of a plea when a defendant's options have been systematically eliminated.Motta walks through what actually shifts in an attorney-client relationship when the legal avenues are exhausted and a trial date is approaching. The sentence — three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years — was reportedly the same whether Heuermann went to trial or pleaded. So the question becomes what he gained: avoiding the public spectacle, controlling the narrative of the admission, and securing the FBI cooperation requirement that his defense attorney described as part of the agreement. The victims' families, who were preparing to hear every piece of evidence laid out in a courtroom, got a hearing where Heuermann answered questions without emotion and described the cause of death in a single word.Motta also examines what the plea means for the additional cases connected to the Gilgo Beach corridor — victims whose remains were found in the area but who were never charged to Heuermann. A guilty plea closes one legal chapter but may leave questions that only a trial would have answered. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #GuiltyPlea #BobMotta #DefenseStrategy #LongIslandSerialKiller #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

She called him her savior. Their daughter says she believes he most likely committed the killings. Same nightmare, opposite conclusions — and that split tells you everything about how denial works and where it breaks. This look back, with psychotherapist Shavaun Scott, examines the psychology inside the Heuermann home after a guilty plea forced the collapse of everything a family believed was real.Asa Ellerup maintained she would have known if something was wrong. Prosecutors alleged Heuermann engineered his crimes around his family's schedule — acting when Asa and the children were away. Investigators reportedly recovered detailed checklists and violent content from his devices. Asa's own hair was reportedly found on victims. And yet, according to her account, for nearly three decades she saw nothing. After the plea, she told reporters her thoughts were with the victims' families and asked for privacy.Scott breaks down the psychology behind "not knowing" — how the mind builds invisible walls around information that would destroy the identity you've constructed. Why someone whose entire sense of self is anchored to one person may be psychologically incapable of seeing who that person is. And what happens to the architecture of denial when a guilty plea — an admission in open court, in the defendant's own words — removes the last piece of ground to stand on. Victoria Heuermann reached a different conclusion before the plea ever came. Scott examines what allowed the daughter to see what the wife couldn't. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #AsaEllerup #VictoriaHeuermann #ShavaunScott #LISK #CriminalPsychology #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

The digital file recovered from a computer in Rex Heuermann's basement is among the most significant pieces of evidence in the Gilgo Beach case — and it connects directly to the condition in which both Valerie Mack's and Jessica Taylor's remains were found. This look back examines what prosecutors described as a planning document and its role in establishing the pattern across the seven charged murders.The file was reportedly organized into phases, with checklists for preparation, execution, and aftermath — including notes on limiting noise, evidence destruction, and alibis. A specific section on preparation of remains matched the condition in which Valerie Mack was found. Forensic anthropology established that tool marks on Jessica Taylor's bones matched those on Valerie's remains — the same type of instrument, the same characteristics, across cases separated by years. The prosecution presented these parallel findings as evidence of a consistent, methodical approach.Valerie Mack was unidentified for twenty years, recovered from two locations between 2000 and 2011, and given her name through genetic genealogy in 2020. Jessica Taylor, twenty years old, was found in the same dual-location pattern — Manorville and Ocean Parkway — with hair on a surgical drape beneath her remains matching Heuermann's DNA. Heuermann pleaded guilty to both murders as part of the agreement covering seven victims, confirming strangulation as the cause of death in each case. The defense challenged the DNA evidence through a Frye hearing and lost. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #PlanningDocument #ValerieMack #JessicaTaylor #ForensicAnthropology #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

Jessica Taylor's remains told the story twice — once in the woods of Manorville in 2003, and again along Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach in 2011. Two locations, forty miles apart, eight years between discoveries, the same victim. She was twenty years old, working near Port Authority in the same Midtown neighborhood where Rex Heuermann ran his architecture practice. This look back centers on Jessica and the planning document prosecutors say connects her case to the larger pattern.The digital file recovered from a computer in Heuermann's basement was organized into phases — checklists for before, during, and after, with notes on preparation, evidence destruction, and alibis. Prosecutors alleged that material Heuermann consumed online mirrored what was done to Jessica's remains. A hair found on a surgical drape beneath her remains matched Heuermann's DNA. And forensic anthropology connected tool marks on her bones to those found on Valerie Mack — the same type of instrument, the same characteristics, years apart.Jessica was the youngest of the women Heuermann was charged with killing. Heuermann pleaded guilty to her murder as part of the agreement covering seven victims, and admitted to an eighth. He confirmed strangulation as the cause of death for each. The planning document and the forensic linkage between Jessica's and Valerie's cases form a critical part of the prosecution's theory of an escalating, methodical pattern. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting. Jessica was twenty. She deserved more than a case number.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#JessicaTaylor #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #PlanningDocument #ForensicAnthropology #TrueCrime #Manorville #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

Two women. Two locations forty miles apart. Eight years between discoveries. And forensic anthropology that connected the tool marks on their remains to the same type of instrument — the same characteristics, years apart. This look back examines the forensic thread that ties Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor together in the Rex Heuermann case, and what it reveals about the pattern prosecutors built across the full span of the investigation.Valerie Mack was a Jane Doe for twenty years — found in Manorville in 2000 and along Ocean Parkway in 2011, identified only through genetic genealogy in 2020. Jessica Taylor was twenty years old, found in the same two-location pattern — Manorville in 2003, Ocean Parkway in 2011. A hair on Valerie's remains matched the DNA of Heuermann's family members. A hair on a surgical drape beneath Jessica's remains matched Heuermann's own DNA. The planning document recovered from his computer included preparation notes that prosecutors say matched the condition of both women's remains.Heuermann pleaded guilty to both murders as part of the agreement covering seven victims, and admitted to an eighth. His defense attorney acknowledged that two pre-trial rulings — the admission of DNA evidence and the denial of separate trials — drove the decision to plead. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting. Valerie waited twenty years for a name. Jessica was found twice over eight years. The forensic connection between them is where this case's full scope begins to come into focus.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #ValerieMack #JessicaTaylor #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #ForensicAnthropology #DNAEvidence #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

Rex Heuermann pleaded guilty to seven murders and admitted to an eighth. But the Gilgo Beach investigation extends beyond the charges he faced — additional sets of remains were found in the area over the years, and not all have been connected to Heuermann. This look back, with retired FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer, examines what the plea resolves and what it leaves open.The plea agreement requires Heuermann to cooperate with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit — a provision that could produce information the courtroom never would have. Coffindaffer assesses what that cooperation may yield, whether it could lead to additional charges or connections, and how the BAU typically works with convicted offenders who have agreed to participate.The segment also examines the evidentiary foundation that drove the plea. DNA evidence matched through whole genome sequencing — admitted for the first time in a New York proceeding — connected Heuermann to multiple victims. Files recovered from his computer were characterized as a planning document. More than 350 electronic devices were seized. The defense challenged the DNA methodology, moved for separate trials, and lost on both. Heuermann's own daughter publicly stated she believed in his guilt. Coffindaffer reads the plea for what it tells investigators about the remaining open cases and whether the families connected to those cases have reason to expect additional answers. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #UnsolvedCases #JenniferCoffindaffer #FBIBAU #GuiltyPlea #GilgoBeach #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

Before prosecutors linked Sandra Costilla to Rex Heuermann, the Gilgo Beach killings were understood to begin around 2007. Sandra's death in 1993 pushed the timeline back by fourteen years — and changed everything about the scope of what investigators believe Heuermann did. This look back examines the case of the earliest known victim and what her connection to the investigation reveals.Sandra Costilla was twenty-eight years old when her remains were found in the woods of Southampton, Long Island. For three decades, nobody connected her death to the Gilgo Beach case. Investigators looked at the wrong suspect for years. Meanwhile, according to prosecutors, the man whose DNA was found connected to her was living undisturbed on Long Island — building a career, raising a family, and allegedly continuing to harm other women for nearly two more decades. The DNA match came through advanced technology that didn't exist during Sandra's lifetime. The defense tried to get it excluded. The judge ruled it admissible.Heuermann eventually pleaded guilty to Sandra's murder along with six others, and admitted to killing an eighth woman as part of the plea agreement. He confirmed strangulation as the cause of death for each. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting. Sandra's case matters not just as evidence but as a life — a woman who was twenty-eight, who had a story that preceded by decades the headlines that finally brought her name back into public view.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#SandraCostilla #RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #ColdCase #DNAEvidence #LongIslandSerialKiller #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

His own daughter publicly said she believes her father is guilty. That detail — sitting alongside the DNA evidence, the deleted planning document, and the failed motions — paints a picture of a defense that ran out of room from every direction. This look back, with retired FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer, examines the full weight of what Heuermann was facing when he made the decision to plead guilty.Prosecutors recovered files from his computer described as a planning document for the killings. DNA evidence connected hair found on the remains of multiple victims not only to Heuermann but to family members — evidence matched through whole genome sequencing, a technology admitted in a New York courtroom for the first time. The original DNA link came from a pizza crust recovered during surveillance. His defense challenged the science through a Frye hearing and lost. They moved for separate trials and lost. Every motion failed.Coffindaffer reads the plea for what it signals about the strength of the prosecution's case and what the FBI cooperation requirement — part of the agreement — may produce going forward. She also addresses the remaining unresolved cases connected to the Gilgo Beach investigation, because Heuermann was charged with seven of the deaths and admitted to an eighth, but additional sets of remains were found in the area. Heuermann is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #JenniferCoffindaffer #GuiltyPlea #DNAEvidence #VictoriaHeuermann #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

The forensic chain that ultimately produced Rex Heuermann's guilty plea began with a pizza crust recovered during surveillance — and ended with whole genome sequencing admitted in a New York courtroom for the first time. This look back, with defense attorney and former felony prosecutor Eric Faddis, examines the evidentiary architecture that made the case unwinnable and the two pre-trial rulings that the defense attorney himself identified as decisive.The prosecution held DNA linkage across multiple crime scenes, established through a technology never before admitted in the jurisdiction. It also held a deleted Word document recovered from Heuermann's hard drive, described as a planning document for the killings. More than 350 electronic devices were seized, with deleted files recovered from unallocated hard drive space. The defense challenged the DNA methodology through a Frye hearing but did not challenge the planning document. When the judge admitted the DNA and denied the motion for separate trials, the defense's path to acquittal effectively closed.Heuermann pleaded guilty on April 8, 2026, to three counts of first-degree murder and four counts of second-degree murder, and admitted to killing an eighth woman as part of the agreement. He confirmed strangulation as the cause of death for each victim. He is expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years, and has agreed to cooperate with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. Faddis analyzes the plea structure, the sentencing exposure, and the legal significance of the FBI cooperation requirement. We revisit where the matter stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #DNAEvidence #WholeGenomeSequencing #EricFaddis #PleaDeal #GilgoBeach #TrueCrime #HiddenKillers

Prosecutors recovered a deleted Word document from Rex Heuermann's hard drive — described as a planning document for the killings. They matched his DNA to evidence found on and near multiple victims using whole genome sequencing, a technology admitted in a New York courtroom for the first time. And the original DNA connection came from a pizza crust recovered during surveillance. This look back, with defense attorney and former felony prosecutor Eric Faddis, examines the evidence that reportedly made the case unwinnable.Faddis explains what happens when a prosecution holds both a planning document and DNA linkage across multiple crime scenes. He walks through the forensic recovery process — more than 350 electronic devices seized, deleted files pulled from unallocated hard drive space — and where the gaps in digital forensics could have been attacked but weren't. He examines why the defense challenged the science but not the document, and what a Frye hearing actually looks like from the inside.The defense attorney himself acknowledged that two pre-trial rulings drove the plea: the admission of the DNA evidence and the denial of separate trials. Once both were decided, the path to acquittal effectively closed. Heuermann pleaded guilty to seven counts of murder — three first-degree, four second-degree — and admitted to killing an eighth woman as part of the agreement. He's expected to be sentenced to three consecutive life terms plus an additional hundred years, and has agreed to cooperate with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#RexHeuermann #GilgoBeachKiller #LISK #DNAEvidence #PlanningDocument #EricFaddis #WholeGenomeSequencing #TrueCrime #GilgoBeach #HiddenKillers

Rex Heuermann has been sentenced to life in prison without parole after admitting to the murders of eight women in the case known as the Gilgo Beach serial killings. In the quiet dunes along Long Island's Ocean Parkway, four missing women are discovered buried just feet from a road thousands drive every day. Mystery and Murder: Analysis by Dr. Phil revisits the Gilgo Beach case through the victims' stories, the chilling clues, and the forensic trail that ultimately points toward a man no one suspected. This is a portrait of predation, power, and the devastating consequences of victims being overlooked until a hidden graveyard forces the truth into the open.This episode is made possible with the support of our sponsors. Thank you.Don't wait! If you're on Medicare or will be soon, reach out to Chapter: Call: (352)-845-0659 or go to https://askchapter.org to learn about your Medicare options and get help finding ways to save money.RELAXIUM® Sleep is backed by a 90-day guarantee, so you've got nothing to lose. Enjoy restful and refreshing sleep with drug-free, non-habit forming RELAXIUM® Sleep. Get your risk-free bottle now. Go to https://TryRelaxium.com or call 800-952-7770.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this new episode, ⁠⁠Crawlspace Media⁠⁠'s Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with filmmaker and podcaster ⁠⁠Joshua Zeman⁠⁠ about the sentencing of of Long Island serial killer, Rex Heuermann. Josh has been on the trail of LISK since before his 2016 documentary series called ⁠⁠The Killing Season⁠⁠, and in this conversation, we discuss Rex's sadistic ways, the experience of being in court with him, other possibly connected murders and more. This episode was previously published on Missing on June 25th, 2026. Joshua is responsible for ⁠⁠Cropsey⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Killer Legends⁠⁠, ⁠⁠The Killing Season⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Murder Mountain⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Sons of Sam⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Checkpoint Zoo⁠⁠, to name a few. He also is behind the podcast Sinister and ⁠⁠Monster: Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer⁠⁠. Check out everything Joshua has going on and listen to Sinister: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sinisterpodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠Listen to Monster: Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer:⁠ ⁠⁠https://monster-podcast.com/lisk/⁠⁠. Follow Joshua: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@sinisterwithjoshzeman⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/josh.zeman⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@SinisterPodcastJZ⁠⁠. Check out Quince: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://quince.com/MISSING⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out Mint Mobile: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠mintmobile.com/missing⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out Kensington Publishing: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.kensingtonbooks.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Main podcast theme by Kevin Macleod. Check out his work at⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://incompetech.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Additional music by David Williams. See his work at⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠http://williamsflutes.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow Missing: IG: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/⁠⁠⁠. Youtube:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm⁠⁠⁠⁠. FB:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠⁠. X:⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠⁠. Spotify:⁠⁠⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/0yRXkJrZC85otfT7oXMcri⁠⁠⁠. Apple:⁠⁠⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/missing/id1006974447⁠⁠⁠. Follow Crawlspace: IG:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. TT:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. FB:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. X:⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod.⁠⁠⁠ Spotify:⁠⁠⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/7iSnqnCf27NODdz0pJ1GvJ⁠⁠⁠. Youtube:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/crawlspace⁠⁠⁠. Apple:⁠⁠⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crawlspace-true-crime-mysteries/id1187326340⁠⁠⁠. Check out our entire network at⁠⁠⁠ http://crawlspace-media.com/⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We've got two very important topics to talk to you about today. One, hackers revealed Peter Theil's “list”, aka the people who meet up in black cloaks at 3am and chat about how they're gonna make money while they ruin the world. And second, Alexis is officially an author! We talk about her latest trip to NYC for Rex Heuermann's sentencing and what we can expect with Between the Devil and the Tide.

This week on True Crime Rundown we get updates on the murder of Anna Kepner, the trial of Luigi Mangione and the trial of Rex Heuermann. Then, we discuss the news that Tyra Banks has sued Netflix. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In San Diego, a spellcaster testifies about the types of spells accused killer Larry Millete bought in the weeks before his wife Maya's murder. In North Carolina, a defense filing in the murder case of UNC student Faith Hedgepeth raises questions about her roommate. In Dateline Round Up, emotional sentencing hearings for convicted Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann and Utah mother Tracey Grist, who is convicted of masterminding her son-in-law's murder. Plus, a veteran crime scene investigator explains how tire treads and trash left behind in a car can help catch a killer.   Find out more about the cases covered each week here: www.datelinetruecrimeweekly.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.