Podcast appearances and mentions of Steve West

Are charter schools state schools or private schools? And can they be religious schools. There's an Oklahoma court case which has made it all the way to the Supreme Court and we should have answers to these questions in the next few weeks. Lael Weinberger, “Funding for the faithful?” May 1, 2025.Kristen Waggoner, “Making religious school choice a reality,” April 30, 2025.Steve West, “Church school, state school, or both?” April 30, 2025.

CTL Script/ Top Stories of May 2nd Publish Date: May 2nd   Pre-Roll: From the Ingles Studio Welcome to the Award-Winning Cherokee Tribune Ledger Podcast  Today is Friday, May 2nd and Happy Birthday to Dwayne Johnson ***05.02.25-=BIRTHDAY-DWAYNE JOHNSON*** I’m Peyton Spurlock and here are the stories Cherokee is talking about, presented by Times Journal Cherokee County’s Bizarre Coffee Expanding to Roswell Woodstock Joins Support for Creating Cherokee County Land Bank Debra Shigley to Run for Georgia Senate Plus, Leah McGrath from Ingles Markets on diabetes We’ll have all this and more coming up on the Cherokee Tribune-Ledger Podcast, and if you’re looking for Community news, we encourage you to listen and subscribe!  Commercial: MILL ON ETOWAH REV GENERIC_FINAL STORY 1: Cherokee County’s Bizarre Coffee Expanding to Roswell Bizarre Coffee, known for its creative coffee blends and community focus, is opening its third and largest location in Roswell at 1090 Alpharetta St. in fall 2025. The 3,500-square-foot shop will feature an expanded menu, including specialty cocktails, alongside its signature coffee and food offerings. Founded by Sabrina Kaylor in 2020, Bizarre Coffee started as a farmer’s market favorite before opening locations in Canton and Woodstock. The Roswell shop aims to be a community hub with space for gatherings and events. For more details, visit www.bizarrecoffee.com. STORY 2: Woodstock Joins Support for Creating Cherokee County Land Bank Woodstock leaders have joined Canton, Cherokee County, and Holly Springs in supporting the creation of the Cherokee Regional Land Bank Authority. On April 28, the Woodstock City Council unanimously approved a resolution expressing interest in developing a proposal for the land bank, which aims to redevelop blighted and delinquent properties. The Cherokee County Board of Commissioners and other cities approved similar resolutions earlier this year. The land bank would be a public entity governed by a board of directors from participating jurisdictions, requiring collaboration between the county and at least one municipality to move forward. STORY 3: Debra Shigley to Run for Georgia Senate Debra Shigley, a Democrat from Milton, has announced her candidacy for Georgia’s Senate District 21 seat, soon to be vacated by Sen. Brandon Beach. Shigley, a mom of five, small business owner, and former employment attorney, aims to prioritize affordability, public safety, and strong education. Backed by the Senate Democratic Caucus, she joins a race with seven Republican candidates, including Cherokee County’s Jason Dickerson, Brice Futch, and Steve West. Shigley previously ran a record-breaking campaign for Georgia House and has been active in local governance and voter advocacy. Her formal announcement is set for Thursday in Canton. We have opportunities for sponsors to get great engagement on these shows. Call 770.874.3200 for more info.    Break: STORY 4: Georgia Pre-K Takes Steps to Improve After Slip in National Rankings Georgia's lottery-funded pre-kindergarten program, once a national leader, has seen declining enrollment since 2019, worsened by the pandemic. Enrollment has dropped from over 60% to 55%, with around 70,000 children currently enrolled, down from 80,000. A new report by the National Institute for Early Education Research gave Georgia an 8/10 for quality, citing large class sizes as a drawback. However, $97 million in new funding this year aims to improve teacher pay, reduce class sizes, and boost quality, potentially restoring Georgia's leadership in preschool excellence. Challenges remain in addressing enrollment disparities and capacity shortages across the state. STORY 5: Woodstock Leaders Approve New Voting Precinct Location Woodstock has approved a new polling precinct, Arnold Mill, located at Arnold Mill Elementary School, bringing the city’s total to 11 precincts. The City Council voted unanimously on April 28 to adopt the resolution, with Councilmember David Potts absent. Residents of the new Vista Ridge subdivision will vote at this location. The full list of Woodstock polling locations is available, and voters can confirm their precinct on Georgia’s My Voter Page website. Commercial: And now here is Leah McGrath from Ingles Markets on diabetes **** INGLES ASK LEAH (DIABETES)_FINAL*** We’ll have closing comments after this.   COMMERCIAL: Ingles Markets 4   SIGN OFF –   Thanks again for hanging out with us on today’s Cherokee Tribune Ledger Podcast. 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During the 2pm hour of today's show Chernoff & Steve West (in for Chuck) presented the audience with their Top Story of the Day before explaining why today is a Good Day with a visit from The People's Lawyer Bruce Hagen. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chuck, Dylan Short & Steve West were joined by MLB Hall of Famer and All-Time Braves great, Tom Glavine, who talked about the Braves rough start to the season including the offensive struggles, the starting pitching and more! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During the 3pm hour of today's show Chuck, Dylan Short & Steve West talked about the Braves getting swept in San Diego, starting off the season 0-4, Jesse Chavez getting called up and Hector Neris being released before being joined by MLB Hall of Famer Tom Glavine. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During the 4pm hour of today's show Chuck, Dylan Short & Steve West talked about the Braves/Padres series, previewed the Dodgers series. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During the 5pm hour of today's show Chuck, Dylan Short and Steve West talked Braves starting 0-4 and previewed the upcoming series at the Dodgers. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A full cast of narrators, including the author, delivers this enchanting collection of short stories about love, magic, and betrayal. AudioFile's Alex Richey and host Jo Reed discuss how each of the 14 stories is tenderly delivered by an emotionally committed narrator. Some standouts include Stephanie Németh-Parker as a woman who grants wishes at a bridge during the full moon and David Monteith portraying a man who accidentally kills the woman he intends to marry, only for her to come back and haunt him.  Read the full review of the audiobook on AudioFile's website https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/256526/ Published by Macmillan Audio. Discover thousands of audiobook reviews and more at AudioFile's website https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rev. Steve West notes that in a story of unhealthy family dynamics, Joseph is able to see the bigger picture.

Rev. Steve West offers a Morning Praise and Prayer service using the United Methodist Book of Worship and the United Methodist Hymnal.

Nobody knows how many people roll out of bed in the morning and decide to break a muzzleloading world record, but here at Muzzle-Loaders.com we only know of one man who succeeded. As the host of Steve's Outdoor Adventures, a long-running hunting show featured on the Sportsman Channel, Steve West has spent his adult life as a professional hunter, and he's got the stories to prove it. Join us to hear about his greatest successes, his most miserable hunts, advice for new muzzleloader hunters, and more. All in all, this is a podcast you won't want to miss!

Chuck & Chernoff were joined by Nick Cellini & Steve West (in for Dimino) as the 4 guys shared stories before jumping into a "Flashback Friday." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mike Morgan and Steve West were joined by Nick Cellini & Chris Dimino as they talk about the Falcons.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During hour 1 of today's show Brian Gebhardt and Steve West talked the Hawks vs the Bulls, their basketball skills, Braves, and Brooks Austin joins the show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On hour 1 of the Chuck and Chernoff show, Brian Gebhardt and Steve West fill in to talk about their New Years Sports resolutions and Falcons vs Commanders.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chernoff & Westy (in for Chuck) were joined by Cellini & Dimino as the 4 guys talked about a handful of topics.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During the 2pm hour of today's show Chernoff & Westy (in for Chuck) presented the audience with a Top Story, Schwartz on Sports, and more... Then the guys explained why today is a good day with some fun audio cuts. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During the 3pm hour of today's show Chernoff & Westy (in for Chuck) are joined by Georgia Insider Brooks Austin, talked Falcons, Chuck's CFT, and more... See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Georgia Insider Brooks Austin joins Chernoff and Westy (filling in for Chuck) to give us all things Georgia football, from Gunnar Stockton, the transfer portal, and more... See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During the 4pm hour of today's show Chernoff & Westy (in for Chuck) talked Georgia football, Desmond Ridder facing the Falcons, Dan Mullen hiring at UNLV, tipping has gone too far, and more...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During the 5pm hour of today's show Chernoff & Westy (in for Chuck) talked Desmond Ridder taunting the Falcons, Jalon Walker's Butkus Award, picks of the week and more...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Steve West, a 20-year veteran of the Sportsman Channel and Steve West Adventures, joins Robbie on the Blood Origins podcast to talk about his 23-year career in the outdoor space, what it's like to be an influencer in our space, what the future of communication around hunting looks like, all while hunting elk near Steve's home in Oregon. Robbie was first introduced to Steve when he reached out almost 5 years ago and wanted to give Robbie encouragement around what he was doing with Blood Origins. Fast forward to today, Robbie got to spend a week with Steve hunting, and really getting to know him.  Do you have a questions we can answer? Send it via DM on IG or through email at info@bloodorigins.com Support our Conservation Club Members! Sportsman's All-Weather All-Terrain Marksmanship: https://ftwsaam.com/  Canada North Outfitters: https://www.canadanorthoutfitting.com/  Christensen Arms: https://christensenarms.com/  See more from Blood Origins: https://bit.ly/BloodOrigins_Subscribe Music: Migration by Ian Post (Winter Solstice), licensed through artlist.io This podcast is brought to you by Bushnell, who believes in providing the highest quality, most reliable & affordable outdoor products on the market. Your performance is their passion. https://www.bushnell.com  This podcast is also brought to you by Silencer Central, who believes in making buying a silencer simple and they handle the paperwork for you. Shop the largest silencer dealer in the world. Get started today! https://www.silencercentral.com  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tech Head Coach Brent Key joined Nick Cellini, Steve West and Mike Morgan to talk about a thriller over UNC, improvements from the game and the upcoming game against Notre Dame at Mercedes-Benz Stadium.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nick Cellini and Chris Dimino talk everything Atlanta Sports, the National Sports picture and the current (and WAY back when) in pop culture! Get the latest and your fill of Atlanta Braves, Georgia Bulldogs, Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Hawks daily from two "Southern" Yankees daily Mon-Fri from 11a-2p! The 11am hour is presented by Findlay Roofing. Atlanta's most trusted and recommended roofer with 4 decades experience, and a lifetime warranty on their work...FindlayRoofing.com Mike Morgan and Steve West in for a vacationing Chris Dimino X Question of the Day on the Harrah's Cherokee X Feed FALCONS WIN!! Daily Headlines On Campus presented by Subaru of Gwinnett An Offensive Explosion in the NFC South See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nick Cellini and Chris Dimino talk everything Atlanta Sports, the National Sports picture and the current (and WAY back when) in pop culture! Get the latest and your fill of Atlanta Braves, Georgia Bulldogs, Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Hawks daily from two "Southern" Yankees daily Mon-Fri from 11a-2p! Georgia HC Kirby Smart Press Conference Georgia Tech HC Brent Key An Interception Drought Finally Ends See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chuck & Chernoff were joined by Nick Cellini, Steve West & Mike Morgan (in for Chris Dimino) as the 5 guys just went "Back in Time" on this day in pop culture history. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ah, the bizarre love/hate life of the New Order fan. What's your most loved and least favorite song on Low-Life?! For our fourth Request Episode Election, we went through dozens of listener suggestions to nominate Joe Jackson's Look Sharp, Jane's Addiction's Ritual de lo Habitual and this 1985 Manchester classic, which won in a landslide election. While half of us moaned about the album choice from our mystery nominators (MIA), we all had lots of great memories to share of adoring and rolling our eyes at NO. Superfan Sam hosted and held up lots of New Order vinyl, old tshirts were dusted off and Adam delivered an avalanche of guest rankers, starting with internationally-loved San Diego superstars Koi Division, who donned their iconic fish heads for a filmed interview. Days later, he visited Gold Diggers Sound in Los Angeles to chat with Dave Trumfio of the synth-lovin' Pulsars, whose lone 1997 debut/farewell album has finally recently been reissued. The two full interviews will be on our Youtube channel. Just you wait. In addition to getting tribute band opinions from San Francisco's Temptation and San Diego's Thieves Like Us (Substance responded too late to have their support for "Sunrise" be included), he got first hand accounts of 91X FM's infamous 1985 year-end countdown switcheroo from DJs Dwight Arnold, Pam Wolf and Billy Bones. Listen at WeWillRankYouPod.com, Apple, Spotify and your favorite voting booth.  Follow us and weigh in with your favorites on Facebook, Instagram & Threads and Twitter @wewillrankyoupod . SPOILERS/FILE UNDER:Angel dust, Angel Dust, Dwight Arnold, As It Is When It Was, Blue Monday, Billy Bones, breathing solo, Brotherhood, capitalization, Jimmy Cliff, Ian Clownfish, cowbell, the Cure, dance pop, darkwave, Darker Waves Festival, Jonathan Demme, Depeche Mode, double claps, Echo and the Bunnymen, Elegia, England, Erasure, Face Up, Factory Records, folk music, frogs, funeral soundtrack, Gene Loves Jezebel, Gillian Gilbert, harpsichord, Hook, Peter Hook, hooky, Hooky, Joy Division, Koi Division, Love Vigilantes, Low-Life, Manchester, Ennio Morricone, Stephen Morris, New Order, new wave, 91X FM, Oyster Band, Paradise, The Perfect Kiss, post-punk, Power Corruption and Lies, Pretty In Pink, Pulsars, request episode, Bernard Salmon, Peter Saville, seasonable, shaft, shenanigans, Simple Minds, Sooner Than You Think,  Sub-culture, Bernard Sumner, Sunrise, synthpop, Temptation, terrible lyrics, Thieves Like Us, This Time of Night, tribute band, Dave Trumfio, Weirdo, Steve West, Pam Wolf, 1963, 1985. US: http://www.WeWillRankYouPod.com wewillrankyoupod@gmail.comNEW! Host tips: Venmo @wewillrankyoupodhttp://www.facebook.com/WeWillRankYouPodhttp://www.instagram.com/WeWillRankYouPodhttps://www.threads.net/@WeWillRankYouPodhttp://www.twitter.com/WeWillRankYouPo http://www.YourOlderBrother.com(Sam's music page) http://www.YerDoinGreat.com (Adam's music page)https://open.spotify.com/user/dancecarbuzz (Dan's playlists)

Nick Cellini and Chris Dimino talk everything Atlanta Sports, the National Sports picture and the current (and WAY back when) in pop culture! Get the latest and your fill of Atlanta Braves, Georgia Bulldogs, Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Hawks daily from two "Southern" Yankees daily Mon-Fri from 11a-2p! The 11am hour is presented by Findlay Roofing. Atlanta's most trusted and recommended roofer with 4 decades experience, and a lifetime warranty on their work...FindlayRoofing.com Mike Morgan and Steve West in for a vacationing Chris Dimino X Question of the Day on the Harrah's Cherokee X Feed Braves Shake It Up Daily Headlines Drive to the Redzone A Day in the Life of Westy See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nick Cellini and Chris Dimino talk everything Atlanta Sports, the National Sports picture and the current (and WAY back when) in pop culture! Get the latest and your fill of Atlanta Braves, Georgia Bulldogs, Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Hawks daily from two "Southern" Yankees daily Mon-Fri from 11a-2p! Mike Morgan and Steve West in for a vacationing Chris Dimino Rough Week for Kirby Smart and Co. On Campus presented by Subaru of Gwinnett Morgan's Miles See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nick Cellini and Chris Dimino talk everything Atlanta Sports, the National Sports picture and the current (and WAY back when) in pop culture! Get the latest and your fill of Atlanta Braves, Georgia Bulldogs, Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Hawks daily from two "Southern" Yankees daily Mon-Fri from 11a-2p! Notice cracked bricks, floor gaps or bowed basement walls...the expert from AquaGuard can provide a free inspection. If you're ready to fix your sagging, bouncy floors, visit AquaGuard.net  Mike Morgan and Steve West in for a vacationing Chris Dimino Braves make coaching changes Falcons playing divisional foe this weekend Dimino's Dump CrossTalk with Matt Chernoff & Chuck Oliver Cameo Game See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chuck & Chernoff were joined by Nick Cellini, Steve West & Mike Morgan (in for Chris Dimino) as the 5 guys played "Cashing in on Cameo" where they guessed the various fees associated with various people on Cameo. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Yes, I have incorporated all the keywords into the show notes. Here is the updated version with all the keywords included:---**Show Notes: MMT50 - 212**Hey there, Pavement aficionados! jD is back with another episode of our Top 50 Countdown on the *Meeting Malkmus* podcast, exploring the essential tracks by the seminal indie rock band, **Pavement**. This week, we're diving into track number 12 on the countdown.Joining jD is Pavement superfan **Tim from Portland**, and trust us, you don't want to miss this one. It's a rollercoaster ride through **'90s indie rock** nostalgia, **Pavement concert stories**, and a heartfelt plea to support live music.---**Episode Highlights:****[0:00] Introduction and Tim's Pavement Origin Story**- **Discovering Pavement through the College Music Journal:** - Tim shares how he first stumbled upon Pavement in the summer of '94 through the *College Music Journal*, a pivotal moment in his journey into **'90s indie rock**. - *"Yeah, I ran down to Tower Records in San Diego and got the CD along with a few other ones... been cranking it ever since."*- **First Impressions of 'Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain':** - His immediate obsession after purchasing Pavement's seminal album, *Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain*. - *"Right out of the gate, this album was different, and I applauded that."***[1:57] Early Live Shows and Military Gear Coincidence**- **First Pavement Concert Experience in the San Diego Music Scene:** - Tim talks about seeing Pavement live for the first time in January '96 at Montezuma Hall, San Diego State University—a highlight in his **Pavement concert memories**. - **Silkworm as the Opening Act:**  - The concert featured **Silkworm** as the opening act, adding to the night's **indie music nostalgia**. - *"We decided to dress up... everyone put on some sort of military garb."*- **Serendipitous Moment with the Band:** - The hilarious coincidence of the band also wearing military attire, showcasing the quirky connection between Pavement and their fans. - *"We all looked at them and then at each other and just started laughing."***[4:13] Following the Band and Memorable Performances**- **Photographing Pavement at Bimbo's 365 Club:** - Tim recalls capturing the band during a show at **Bimbo's 365 Club in San Francisco**, adding to his collection of **Pavement fan experiences**. - *"I have some great shots from there... there was definitely, you know, kind of a whole San Francisco vibe going on."*- **Tibetan Freedom Concert Adventure [7:11]:** - Get the lowdown on Tim's experience at the massive **Tibetan Freedom Concert** in San Francisco, featuring a lineup that included **Sonic Youth** and cemented **Pavement's influence on indie rock**. - *"There were, I think, like a hundred thousand people there... It was a total bottleneck of a festival."***[9:05] Unforgettable Gigs and Onstage Antics**- **Mark Ibold's Onstage Incident:** - Hear about bassist **Mark Ibold's** mysterious onstage moment in Pomona, one of the more intriguing **Pavement concert stories**. - *"He couldn't play; he couldn't finish a song... the show ended shortly after that."*- **Bob Nastanovich's Live Performances:** - Discussing **Bob Nastanovich's** energetic contributions during live shows, highlighting the band's dynamic stage presence.**[11:01] Accidental HBO Appearance**- **HBO Reverb Special Featuring Pavement:** - Learn how Tim unknowingly became part of the **HBO Reverb Pavement** special during a gig at Cane's in San Diego, a unique highlight in his **Pavement concert memories**. - *"We didn't even know that was happening... Spiral was like, 'Oh, they're doing some fucking HBO show.' He didn't seem happy about it."***[12:20] Deep Dive into Track #12**- **Why Track #12 Matters in Pavement's Discography:** - Tim breaks down why this song is in his personal top five, offering insightful **Pavement song analysis**. - *"This song, you know, it's awesome. It's got rockets; it goes."*- **Personal Connection and Indie Music Nostalgia:** - How the song's themes resonate with Tim's own travels and experiences across California, enhancing his **indie music nostalgia**. - *"I know all the places it talks about... Hearing this the first times, we were just like, 'Who are these guys? What are they doing singing about our places?'"*- **The Quintessential Pavement Vibe:** - Discussing how Pavement's songs often mean everything and nothing all at once, reflecting their unique place in **alternative rock**. - *"It has kind of a theme but is totally non sequitur at the same time—it's right up my alley. It's cool."***[18:49] The Pavement Ethos and Live Music Today**- **Stephen Malkmus and the Band's Stance on Fame:** - Reflect on **Pavement's** unique approach to art over commercial success, and how **Stephen Malkmus** embodies this ethos. - *"They lean more art rather than commercialized... They always look painfully uncomfortable."*- **Memorable 2010 Reunion and 2022 LA Show:** - Tim and jD reminisce about the **Pavement 2010 reunion tour** and their first meeting at the epic **Pavement 2022 LA show**, standout events in the **Pavement fan community**. - *"Everybody that was there really wanted to be there... It just checked all the boxes for me."***[29:11] Support Live Music: An Impassioned Plea**- **Get Out and Go to Local Music Venues:** - Tim urges listeners to support live music by attending shows at local venues and supporting **local music venues in Portland** and beyond. - **Quote:** *"Go out, spend some money, and support the arts. When you go to a concert—even if you only stay for four songs—it has a positive impact on your body and your soul."*- **Local Venue Shoutouts in the Portland Music Scene:** - Tim mentions his favorite spots in the **Portland music scene**: Turn Turn Turn, the Kenton Club, and the Fixin' To, encouraging listeners to experience the thriving local music scene.---**Join the Conversation:**- **Twitter:** [@meetingmalkmus](https://twitter.com/meetingmalkmus)- **Facebook Group:** [facebook.com/groups/meetingmalkmus](https://facebook.com/groups/meetingmalkmus)- **Website:** [jd.meetingmalkmus.com](http://jd.meetingmalkmus.com)---**Extra Nuggets:**- **Exclusive Live Recording:** - Tim shares a rare live version of a song from Pavement's Toronto show. It's raw, it's real, and it's right here on the *Meeting Malkmus* podcast.- **Fun Fact:** - Did you know jD used an abacus and a goat with an extra leg to tabulate your Top 20 ballots in the **Pavement Top 50 Countdown**? Don't ask.- **Akin to a Pavement Band Interview:** - This episode feels like an intimate **Pavement band interview**, offering deep insights into the band's history and impact on **indie music**.- **Indie Music Podcast Community:** - As part of the broader **indie music podcast** scene, *Meeting Malkmus* continues to bring you in-depth discussions and interviews with **Pavement superfans** and insiders.---So grab your headphones, crank up the volume, and let's get amped together on this **indie rock** journey through Pavement's legacy.---Transcript: [0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50: That's right, song number 13 on the countdown is "Shady Lane," J vs. S. Ralph from Lincolnshire, what is your initial thought about this song?"Well, it's an amazing song. It's an amazing song. I mean, I think it might be—maybe I'm putting it third on my ranking of 'Brighten the Corners.' And I would almost say, you know, 'Brighten the Corners' is my favorite Pavement, so it is super up there. It's brilliant.""Hey, this is Westy from the rock and roll band Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown."[0:39] "Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for seminal indie rock band Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I tabulated the results using an abacus and a goat with an extra leg—don't ask. How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in to find out, so there's that."This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan Tim from Portland. Tim, how's it going, motherfucker?""Hey, hey, hey, it's going, motherfucker. It's going great.""That was very Canadian of me, motherfucker. Let's get right to it; let's not mess around here, let's not dilly-dally. Talk to me about your Pavement origin story.""Who? I discovered them through—I believe through College Music Journal, which was a publication back in the '90s. It was kind of—""I don't think so.""Okay. It was like a half-sized magazine, so I think it was an evolution from zines. I don't know. Anyways, I read a record review of 'Crooked Rain.'"[1:57] "And that's when I was introduced to them. So this was, you know, '94—summer of '94 probably—because I had just left uni and got a house with friends. And yeah, I ran down to Tower Records in San Diego and got the CD along with a few other ones. I would get this College Music Journal and read reviews and go buy albums; that was kind of my thing. So yeah, went down and got 'Crooked Rain' and have been cranking it ever since.""Yeah. So what was it like the first time you spun it?""Oh man, I loved it. You know, I had just graduated from uni; I was an art and business major of all things, and I was into everything that wasn't normal—trying, anyways. And that's what Pavement was for me, you know? Right out of the gate, this album was different, and I applauded the—I don't know, there's this sense of, like Beavis and Butthead said, trying and not trying, and I love that about this. I recently heard Jack Black say—somebody asked him what kind of bands he's into, and he's like, 'I only want to listen to bands'—this is an old interview—but he said, 'I only want to listen to bands who kick ass, who fucking take names.' And I was like, oof, I wonder if Jack Black's a Pavement fan because they do—they do, but they don't. But I love that about them."[3:40] "That, to me, oozed alternative. So yeah. But I didn't see them play live for, oh, a year and a half later. I was just this morning looking up shows I went to.""Oh, really?""Yeah. About half the shows I went to were before 2000 and half after. So the first time I saw them was in San Diego in '96 in January, and that was really fun. Just a quick story on that one."[4:13] "I went with a gang of friends, and they were playing at San Diego State University at this place called Montezuma Hall. I would say it holds like, I don't know, 500 people or something—not big. We were all pre-partying and talking about what we were going to wear; we decided to dress up. So everybody put on some sort of military garb—fatigues, whether pants or shirts or hats or what have you—which kind of looked like normal cool kid wear at the time. Then we go to the show, and Pavement walked out on stage, and they were in full military gear. Steve West had a safari hat with mosquito mesh draped over his shoulders, and he had his raccoon eyes—you know, paint around his eyes—and everybody was wearing military stuff, all the guys in the band.""Did you guys catch wind of that beforehand?""No, it was totally coincidental. We all looked at each other because we knew they were dressed up—they went out of their way—and we all looked at them and then at each other and just started laughing. It was a comical moment, and that was such a good show. JD, kind of like our LA show in May of '22, that first show in January of '96 was fucking awesome. They went nuts. After their encore, Malkmus said something to the effect of—they came back out and he was like, 'San Diego, huh? San Diego's alright. You guys think San Diego's okay? Yeah, San Diego's alright.' And then he said something like, 'Let's fucking fuzz out San Diego.' And then they just went into their last three songs.""Wow.""And just destroyed them. They were so, so good. I kind of followed them a little bit after that. I saw them in San Francisco weeks later; it was so fun for me, I had to get more.""Were they playing 'Brighten' stuff at this point? Because 'Brighten' was going to come out next year. Was it pretty much all 'Wowee'?""You know, I had a couple setlists pulled up. I have to go back and look. I'm not sure.""And my other question is, that San Diego show—was it opened by Silkworm?""Yeah, that was the one. They came out with, I don't know, '30s or '40s-looking sailor suits.""What the hell?""Like Navy sailor suits.""I guess San Diego, huh?""They looked cute. At the time, we had an amazing army surplus store downtown, and I just figured these guys went and hit it up."[7:11] "That's awesome.""None of them seemed sober that night. They were going for it. I saw them play in San Francisco after that and actually photographed that show at Bimbo's 365. I have some great shots from there.""Is that a good venue?""Yeah, it was cool. A cool bar-club, smallish—you know, medium-small size. There was definitely a whole San Francisco vibe going on. I brought some friends to that one from San Diego as well; instant fans. Then the Tibetan Freedom Concert in San Francisco the next summer.""You saw that?""Yeah.""That was kind of typical, you know, festival-type Pavement show.""Sure.""Quick and dirty. We were way in the back."[8:11] "Lots of people?""Oh, hordes. I think there were like a hundred thousand people there or something.""Holy shit.""It was giant. We were kind of there for the whole experience—you know, Beastie Boys.""So they did a show in New York City and one in San Francisco?""Yeah, June of '96.""How have we never talked about this before? I don't think we've ever talked about you going to Tibetan Freedom.""Yeah, it was amazing. I drove my truck and had like four people in the back of the camper shell. We just piled in, and it literally took us like five hours to drive two miles to get out of the city. It was a total bottleneck of a festival. That was one of my first festivals where I thought, 'You know, might not really need to go to festivals,' but I continued."[9:05] "The next time I saw them was the following year at this club called Soma in San Diego. That was a great show—small to medium-sized again. They didn't play in San Diego a whole heck of a lot. Then I saw them at the Glass House in Pomona, which is out in the desert east of LA. Ibold, at one point during the show, just kind of lost it—like his brain left his body.""Or he had a serious gear malfunction?""Because he couldn't play, and the show kind of ended.""Yeah, he couldn't play, he couldn't finish a song—he just couldn't do it. The show ended shortly after that. I remember everybody on stage going, 'What's the deal? What's going on?' Malkmus or Ibold had some sort of breakdown or meltdown. Something happened. Stuff started kicking, I don't know.""A couple of years later, at Cane's in San Diego—Cane's was a bar where they filmed the HBO Reverb special.""Oh, really?""Yeah, I went to that. We didn't even know that was happening. We just thought we were going to a Pavement gig.""Right.""Walked in—and I have so many stories about seeing these guys—walked in and Spiral was standing right there, just hanging out by himself. I said to him, 'What's going on tonight? What's up with all the cameras?' And he's like, 'Oh, they're doing some fucking HBO show.' He didn't seem happy about it, and that was kind of the vibe of the whole gig that night—they were punching the card, you know.""They're sort of shy that way, right?""Yeah. I think—I don't know, man."[11:01] "They're a different band, right? They lean more art rather than commercialized.""Yeah.""And I think when you produce something that way, you obviously don't care if you're making Billboard Top 100. So if someone approaches you and they're like, 'Hey, I'm Mike Jones from HBO Reverb. We'd love to film you guys; you're hot right now,' what's your reaction if you're Pavement? You're like, 'Fuck. Okay, here's another drill we got to do and get over with,' you know?""Yeah.""They always look painfully uncomfortable. Like that Jay Leno performance and even the one on—was it Conan when they did the 2010 reunion? Or maybe it was Jimmy Fallon, I'm not sure.""All I remember is the Leno one.""Yeah, that one's so awkward.""It's so good though.""That personifies them, you know.""They were a little more experienced by '99. By then they'd been playing a bit. Then I saw them at the Hollywood Bowl for the 2010 show with Sonic Youth."[12:20] "Amazing lineup.""Yeah. Both of those shows, in my opinion, were like, get it done. The highlight of all of it—I was hoping at one point either Malkmus coming out and playing with Sonic Youth or Thurston coming out and playing with Pavement.""Didn't happen though.""It seemed like such an opportunity.""Yeah. I was thinking, this might not happen ever again. These guys have to get on stage and play together.""Yes.""And they didn't. The highlight was at the Hollywood Bowl—there's this half wall around the orchestra pit, like out in the crowd, that separates the orchestra pit from box seats, which is kind of where we were. Bob paraded that catwalk—that half wall. He went back and forth—you probably could guess what song he was screaming a chorus to—but he was like, 'I'm trying' all the way across that thing. It's probably like 50 or 60 paces across; it's like a half-circle.""Oh, wow.""It was so fucking cool. Then at the end, even Malkmus was like, 'We're out of here. We're going to the Speedy Ortiz show,' or some shit like that. It was just lights out, you know."[13:41] "Damn.""But then it was a long, long time until I saw them at the Fonda with you, my friend.""Yeah.""That was our first meeting.""Yeah. My hair was too long for you.""Oh my gosh. I'm so glad you canceled your dreads appointment for the next day.""Yes. Well, I was going to ask you to just pour some Coke in my hair and roll them, but we didn't know each other that way.""Denny's at 3 a.m., or whenever we were there.""That's right. That was such a good show. That was so amazing. I know you've mentioned it, but man, that was such a good show. It just checked all the boxes for me. There was so much excitement, so much buzz in the air in that venue. Everybody that was there really wanted to be there. It felt like there weren't sort of pretentious Hollywood people just showing up because it's Pavement, you know.""Yeah. Well, except—maybe you caught a glimpse of this—except the short girl that got in the fight with the other gal there. We saw a chick fight at a Pavement gig in 2022. It was kind of weird. It was kind of awesome. I doubt either of those gals—or maybe one of them, maybe the taller one—is listening, but man, one of them got sent down, like down to the floor from our platform. That was amazing. When I saw that happen, I was like, 'Fuck yes.'"[15:25] "Because it just gave me reassurance that the vibe of Pavement—being all of these different things in indie alternative music, whatever—is still alive. To have something like that at a show. Way better than the 2010 reunion. That holds a special place in my heart because it was my first time seeing them. It was in Central Park; it was really cool. But seeing them with you that night was definitely the best show I've ever seen.""Yeah.""Yeah. Maybe of all the shows I've ever seen, not just Pavement—it was very good.""Yeah.""So anyways, we saw them in '22 a bunch, and I think I counted—from what I could remember—like 12 times I've seen them. So half before 2010, half after.""That's pretty cool.""Yeah. They've always been, you know, sure, superfan status. But more as time goes by, they're kind of a classic for me. If I want to put on something, I usually reach for an album—actual vinyl instead.""Which one is the one you go to? Do you have them all on vinyl?"[16:55] "No, I don't think so.""Okay."[17:00] "I go to 'Crooked Rain.'""Oh, okay.""That's the one I was first introduced to.""Yeah.""You know, it checks the boxes for me. It's got a big start. It's got a great song number three.""Yeah. We love your number three.""I know. It's got a great midway point. It's got an instrumental—'5 + 4 = Unity,' or '5 - 4 = Unity.' And it's got a lot of staple items that make Pavement Pavement that you can pick out from the beginning to the end of their recordings. It has a little bit of 'Wowee' in it to me. It's a really good mix of who they are.""Yeah, if there was a Pavement Bingo card, you would definitely get a line.""Yeah.""Maybe even a full box.""Yeah, 'Hit the Plane Down'—you couldn't get more punky than that for Pavement.""Yeah.""You know, it's got a hit, 'Cut Your Hair.'""Yeah.""It's got it all. 'Silence Kid.' When I first put this on, from song one, it became my go-to for when I kicked off things like road trips or moved into a new house. Anytime I've begun something monumental in my life, I would put this album on. It's such a good start. I clearly remember when I moved to LA, set up my stereo, and I put this album on.""Oh yeah.""It just gets me in a really fun, good mood. Creative, too.""Yeah, I like that with 'Pot Hot.'"[18:49] "It makes me fun and creative.""Me too. Well, what do you say we take a quick break and then come back and reveal track number 12? We are almost in the top 10, my friend.""All right.""We'll be right back."[19:04] "Hey, this is Bob Nastanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening. And now, on with the countdown.""Twelve."[21:46] "All right. Track number 12 on the countdown. I couldn't imagine a better person to do this song, having spent some time in SoCal. It's 'Unfair'—the South taking what the North delivers.""That's right.""Were you delivering to the North?""I mean, when I sucked and kissed, it's sour.""This song, you know, it's awesome. On the album, it could be a song three for me. It's got rockets; it goes. That's amazing. I'm so glad it's number 12. That's in the top 20, so it definitely should be. It's really high up there for me; it's probably in my top five.""Oh, wow.""So yeah, I'm happy. I've already answered my 'Is it properly ranked' question.""Oh yeah, big time.""I love this one. I mean, it really personifies Pavement—being from Stockton, Sacto area, all of that. This song is about the supposed battle between the North and South of California. I know all the places it talks about. I've been to Shasta many times. We had family living for many years in the Tahoe area; we know all these places. And I guess the jury's still out on where that North-South boundary line really is, because I think this song—"[23:27] "Malkmus likely wrote this song. I think he's just not having the South. He's really dissing it. There's a total vibe here of him just dissing the South.""So it's amazing.""Well, we've seen in his later life him moving to Portland, your hometown. He didn't move to LA. He didn't pack up and move to LA or Nashville, I suppose, would be the other big music place. But yeah, he went to Portland and went with that indie vibe rather than that corporate vibe. So I wonder if he gets that feeling or something.""Yeah, I don't know. It's good—you know, I went back, I was searching through some of those gigs I went to, and I believe it was the San Francisco show I saw in '96 that they closed with 'Unfair.' I'll have to go back and look at this.""Oh, wow.""Such a good song for a closer, leaving on high energy."[24:35] "And just when you think you've maxed out energy-wise, you get to that chorus—a sort of chorus."[24:47] "You know, 'the foothills of our mind,' and when he's just screaming, it goes into a second gear or a third gear and really picks up steam. It's so good.""Yeah, I used to put this on mixtapes.""Oh, you did? That's cool.""Yeah, like road trip mixtapes. It feels really road-trippy to me because he's name-checking all that geography.""Yeah, yeah. That last question in the song, 'To the last psychedelic band'—are they talking about themselves? Is that giving themselves kudos? I don't know. I would love to find that out. But yeah, this song really hits home for me. I drove California so many times; I know all these places. Hearing this the first times—even talking about Shasta early on in the song, verse two—I mean, at the time, my roommate was from Redding, which is adjacent to Mount Shasta. So we were just like, 'Who are these guys? What are they doing singing about our places?' Where are they from? Stockton, which is hilarious because he's like, in the song—"[26:16] "He says, 'This ain't no Bakersfield' or whatever the line is.""Yeah.""And Bakersfield really is not that much different from Stockton.""Oh, no?""They're both armpit cities.""Oh, really?""Just armpit cities, yeah.""Like industrial or something?""Yeah, like farm—ag cities. They're just kind of wastelands.""Oh, wow.""But yeah, I dig this song, dude. It's something you can sing along to and scream along to. It's not a quiet song.""Great to drive to.""Yeah. I'm so glad it's number 12. I would rather have heard it was in the top 10, but I'll take it as number 12. That way, it's still more special for me because it didn't make it to the top 10.""Yeah.""And it would have been my drift. That's kind of like the Pavement thing—like, you don't know us, but you might know us, you know?""Oh, you're a Pavement fan. Okay. Yeah, you seem like that. I've heard people say that before.""But great, you film hack. I don't need your fade. There are so many good lines in here. There's a theme, but it's kind of all over, which is what I love about these guys. Also, one thing that really vibed with me in the mid-early '90s with these guys is the lyrics not meaning shit a lot of the time, because everything we were listening to around then—there was so much cheese, bro, in rock and indie and alternative. So much music that I just had a hard time being a fan of. I'm not a big singer-songwriter guy. I like quite a bit, but it's not my favorite genre. So to get somebody putting a song together like this—it has kind of a theme but is totally non sequitur at the same time—it's right up my alley. It's cool."[28:27] "That is very cool. Well, thanks so much for coming out today and doing this. This has been great.""Yeah, JD. It's been great. Thanks for doing what you do because there's no one like you who could put this together. So we're all grateful.""Buddy, thanks so much.""Yeah, thank you."[28:48] "That's—I don't know what else to say. That's pretty fucking cool of you to say. Thanks.""From Portland.""And now I'm going to go back into game show host mode. Tim from Portland, do you have anything you would like to plug?"[29:11] "Yeah, I just want to tell everybody out there to get off your ass and go to a gig. Go to a show. Go to your local bar that has a stage. Go to your venue that holds less than 250 people.""Nice.""And support the arts, you know? When you go to these places—here in Portland, Oregon, I have three great places within three or four miles: Turn Turn Turn, the Kenton Club, which is just down the hill from me, and the Fixin' To in St. John's. These are all amazing places to experience live music. If you go in and you pay $10, you don't buy a drink—that $10 is generally going to the band.""Fucking right.""If you don't buy a drink or some food, the bar isn't making any money. Go out, spend some money, and support the arts. This is supporting the arts, and it's such an awesome thing to do. When you go to a concert—even if you hear a gig and only stay for four songs—it has a positive impact on your body and your soul. We walk away with heightened endorphins, and it feels good. You ever leave a show where you're just like, 'God damn, that was amazing. I feel so good. I wish I could do that all over again.' That's the chase, and that's supporting the arts. Everybody's got to keep getting out and doing that. I'm not talking about the mega stadium shows or the big festivals—if you can afford to go to that enormous dome, go for it. I'm talking about hitting up your local spots, your local venues. And if you don't have any, then find the amazing ones and do a road trip. Just get out and go to some shows. That's my plug."[30:50] "That's nice. I like from where you came. So there's that. Hey, it's JD here, checking in from the present. That's right—it's October the 4th today. That episode with Tim and I was recorded way back in February—the Ides of February, in fact. So, you know, as I'm editing this episode—and hey, listen, I don't do a whole lot of editing; I want this to be sort of authentic and real and, you know, all the rest of that shit. So, listening back, Tim's impassioned plea for live music made me think of some of the gigs that we've been to. Tim and I were talking; he's like, 'Hey, remember the Toronto show where they played "Unfair"?' And I was like, 'Fuck yeah, do I?' And he's like, 'I have a file.' And I was like, 'Ooh, send it my way, motherfucker.' Here it is. This is 'Unfair,' live from Toronto, on 'Meeting Malkmus,' a Pavement podcast."[34:47] "All right, man. Thanks, buddy. Well, thanks again. That's what I got for you. Wash your goddamn hands."[34:53] "Thanks for listening to 'Meeting Malkmus,' a Pavement podcast, where we count down the top 50 Pavement tracks as selected by you. If you've got questions or concerns, please shoot me an email: jd.meetingmalkmus at gmail.com."Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

John Williams, London Symphony Orchstra [00:23] "The Desert and The Robot Auction" Star Wars 20th Century Records 2T-541 1977 Pretty much every aspect of this soundtrack is seared into my Gen X nerd mind. Silver Jews [03:15] "Advice to the Graduate" Starlite Walker Drag City DC55 1994 The debut outing from David Berman and friends, here including partners in crime Steve Malkmus, Bob Nastanovich, and even Steve West. There is also a lovely cover of this song by The Pastels (https://youtu.be/tQ1vuKAGmUo?si=y7G-DZUy094zyJUf) (recorded for a Peel session). Lena Lovich [06:30] "I Think We're Alone Now" Stateless Stiff Records SEEZ 7 1978 (1979 reissue) From the original UK Stiff Records release of Stateless, a very first-wave New Wave version of "I Think We're Alone Now", originally recorded by Tommy James and the Shondells. Also available in Japanese! (https://youtu.be/URPtOAs_eMc?si=zX0h-wST3jcLzadK) Lena Lovich [09:18] "Lucky Number" Stateless Stiff-Epic JE 36102 1979 The US version changes up the track order, and has a number of songs remixed by Roger Bichirian. David Bowie [13:47] "Golden Years" Station to Station RCA Victor AQL1-1327 1976 (1986 reissue) Carlos Alomar and Earl Slick laying down the funky guitars. The cover features a photograph of Bowie by Steve Shapiro from Nicholas Roeg's The Man Who Fell to Earth (1976) (https://youtu.be/KarWCgIw3Wk?si=52k2oqnxkEJ2HNah). Sinéad O'Connor [17:46] "Some Day My Prince Will Come" Stay Awake (Various Interpretations of Music from Vintage Disney Films) A&M Records B0029005-01 1988 (2018 reissue) The late great Sinéad O'Connor interpreting Snow White's ballad accompanied by the late great Andy Rourke from the late great Hal Willner. Willner was one of the most imaginative music producers, responsible for so many excellent tribute albums, and one of the most innovative music shows on network television: Night Music (https://youtu.be/ChPPW6NbsFk?si=AusrNnmpxTl4mWUI). Graham Parker and the Shot [18:55] "Wake Up (Next to You)" Steady Nerves Elektra 9 60388-1 1985 Graham gets all romantic in a Motown sorta way. This single made it as high as 39 on the Hot 100. Graham Parker and the Rumour [24:00] "I'm Gonna Tear Your Playhouse Down" Stick to Me Mercury SRM-1-3706 1977 Graham and company do a fine rendition of this song that was initally a hit for Ann Peebles (https://youtu.be/cyMsvE8UcbI?si=VqkTZdDF9ubuspVT). The Rolling Stones [29:35] "Dead Flowers" Sticky Fingers Rolling Stones Records COC 59100 1972 The first album the Stones recorded after being freed from their Decca Records obligation. This copy has one of the actual working zippers, as designed by Andy Warhol. Many listeners will also be familiar with Townes van Zandt's acoustic version that appears on his live album Roadsongs, and was subsequently used in The Big Lebowski (Coen, 1998). The Aquadolls [33:40] "Tweaker Kidz" Stoked on You Burger Records BRGR390 2014 Fun track from the debut Aquadolls album. Talking Heads [36:06] "Once in a Lifetime" Stop Making Sense Sire 1-25186 1984 There was a very cute promo (https://youtu.be/R2gVgpHIDz0?si=UfreL9mJCNr_K3iC) for the A24 re-release of the film recently. Nadja [42:03] "The Stone" The Stone Is Not Hit by the Sun, Nor Carved with a Knife Gizeh Records GZH70 2016 As usual, more heavy dreamy goodness from one of my favorite duos. Music behind the DJ: "Gomez" by Vic Mizzy

On today's NYFF62 podcast, director Alex Ross Perry, producer/editor Robert Greene, and members of the band Pavement (Stephen Malkmus, Scott Kannberg, Mark Ibold, Steve West, and Bob Nastanovich) join NYFF Artistic Director Dennis Lim to discuss Pavements at its North American Premiere. Fueled by a sardonic, tricky sense of humor, Alex Ross Perry's very funny sorta-documentary about the beloved indie rock band integrates archival footage of Pavement at the height of their cult popularity, newly shot material following them during their recent comeback tour in 2022, and a kaleidoscope of semi-scripted contemporary scenes about the shooting of a movie within the movie starring Jason Schwartzman, Fred Hechinger, Nat Wolff, Tim Heidecker, Logan Miller, and a hilarious Joe Keery as an actor seeking awards glory. Tickets to the New York Film Festival are moving fast! Get up-to-date information on all available tickets on a daily basis by visiting filmlinc.org/tix.

We've got Rachel from Portland in the house this week on The Pavement Top 50 Countdown. Rachel and jD discuss her Pavement origin story and unveil song number 14. TranscriptTrack 2:[0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. And there it is at track 15 from Wowie Zowie, Rattled by the Rush. What are your thoughts on Rattled by the Rush, Ross from Fife? Well, I already said since I came to it last, Wowie's not my jam. I love it. It's still a Pavement album. It's never the one that I go to. Right. and Rattled by the Rush might be the last pavement hit that I actually heard oh really? Yeah, I don't think I heard it until at some point in the early 2000s I bought, I can't remember what it's called the DVD, Slow Century Slow Century, yeah I think maybe that's the first time I ever heard it oh, because they showed the video on that Yeah, I can't remember if it's the proper video or not. I know that they had to re-release the video because it was making people sick. People used to be such fucking pussies. Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement.Track 3:[1:14] And you're listening to The Countdown. Hey, it's J.D. Here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a calculator watch operated by the power of friendship. How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? You'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week, I'm joined by pavement superfan Rachel from Portland. How the fuck is it going, Rachel? Going pretty well, JD. Thanks for having me. No, it's my pleasure. It's good to have you here. Well, let's not waste any time and get right to it. Rachel from Portland. Talk about your pavement origin story.Track 3:[2:07] Hmm. Well, I first started listening to Pavement in high school and I am sure Cut Your Hair was the first song that I heard and it's just so catchy. And I don't even remember like where I heard it. I'm sure it was maybe on the, maybe on the radio, but it really grabbed me. There's something about just that it's so happy and it's so silly and I'm a very silly person and really gravitate towards that kind of music. So I got really curious about Pavement, but you know, Back in the 90s, CDs were really expensive. This was before I've heard a lot of people on your show talk about downloading tracks from Napster. I think I'm a little bit older than that, or maybe I'm a little technically not inclined.Track 3:[2:51] So I made a lot of mixtapes with a tape recorder next to the radio to record songs off the radio. Um so i actually don't really i don't have a super clear memory of of like how it evolved from there i know there were a few other pavement songs that i heard and really liked like specifically trigger cut and and you know just some of the other really um happy ones but but i was also you know um you know getting really into the grateful dead and and other things so i didn't i didn't really pursue my love of pavement a lot but it but it always had this really special place in my heart. I think that when you, uh, the music that you listen to when you're growing up, it kind of just never, like, it always takes you back to that place in a certain way.Track 3:[3:38] Um, so, uh, fast forward and I was, I was in high school, so I was a little too, um, you know, at that point I was kind of like going off and seeing some concerts. I never got to see pavement at that point. Um, but then, uh, fast forward a bunch of years when they got back together for their, reunion tour in 2010, and they'd released... Oh, your dog is so cute. Oh, just a second. Just one second. I'm sorry. Okay. Yes?Track 3:[4:10] Hello? That doesn't typically happen, because typically the door is locked, and that means I'm recording, so I apologize. Now I'll be doing some editing. Are they? Yes, no problem. So they got back to there for their reunion tour and they released Quarantine the Past, Um, which, yeah, which is, is really interesting because in some ways, you know, the albums, there, there aren't some bands I listened to the albums like straight through and some I kind of pick and choose the songs and pavement. I really love listening to the albums themselves, um, and kind of each song in context of the album though. Sometimes I'll, you know, I, I like them more and more. So, um, I, they were coming to, they were coming just outside of Portland to Troutdale that year, and I'm pretty sure it was sold out. And I just had this feeling of like, I have to go. It just like wouldn't, kind of wouldn't leave me. And so I ended up buying tickets from some like strangers off of Craigslist. And I can't remember which of my friends was supposed to go with me, but whoever was supposed to go couldn't make it. And the day before the show, I randomly had, I was going to hang out with a woman that I had met through the yoga studio where I teach. And we were hanging out at her house. It was like our first friend hangout. And I saw that she had pavement tickets on her fridge. Like they were paper tickets.Track 3:[5:40] And I said, are you going to the pavement show tomorrow? She said, yes, I love pavement. And I was like, can I go with you? And so I ended up going with her and her crew to the show. And it was one of, it was at the time, and this was 2010, I've been to a lot of concerts, but it was one of the, the like best shows I've been to in terms of just the energy on the stage and the way it just, the way it made me feel so alive and just so like joyful, you know, with, and, and one thing I love about Pavement is kind of this, this range of emotions that they go through. They have this very, you know, there's this whole thing about them being like slackers and being, you know, but, but they're very smart and they're very silly. And they kind of go from, you know, they kind of, they kind of go from these, like, they go through some really deep themes in their songs. So, you know, which we'll talk about when we get to our song for today. So I, I was after that, I was just so I was so hooked again. And I started like devouring the albums a little bit more and more. And so at that point, I started listening to them a lot more. And then they came back in 2022 to the same venue in Troutdale, Oregon.Track 3:[6:47] And I was so excited. I mean, I bought the tickets as soon as they went on sale. I couldn't wait. And it was a great show. It really, really was so fun. But I couldn't actually, from where I was standing in the venue, I couldn't really see what was going on on stage, which is kind of a bummer because they're so fun to watch them and their interactions. Um but after that show I just had this feeling that was 22 and I had this feeling of I I need I need more pavement I need more pavement now and so I looked at their whole tour schedule and it was like Australia and and I just couldn't do it there was no there was no way I could like drop my whole life to to go on pavement tour you know and they and they just don't I mean they were playing a lot that year but they don't.Track 3:[7:30] They don't play that much generally. And so in January of 23, when I saw them announce Iceland in July, I was like, I'm free those days. And then the cincher was that there's a nonstop flight from Portland to Reykjavik. I was like, nonstop. Really? Yeah, there's a lot of nonstop flights. That's beautiful. And there were a lot of bands at the time that were doing residencies at Harpa, like Papin did. Disco Biscuits did one. um freeze mcgee did one and wilco did one so um and a bunch of my friends are into those those bands and they had gone um for those shows so i just booked the flight and i and i was just like i'm gonna go i bought the tickets for the show and i bought specifically um the front row of the balcony because i really really wanted to see everything that was happening on stage um Um, and I was planning on going alone, you know, just cause there's so many bands that, you know, when I go see shows, I love going with friends and, you know, I'm, I'm a big fish fan and there's so many people in the world who are, who are into fish and they, and so like, when I go see fish, I have to decide, like, should I go with these fish friends or this friend with pavement? There's like, none of my friends are into, almost none of my friends are into pavement, um, which is, which is really sad. And so, um, I was just going to go. You've got some work ahead of you. Well, yeah, yeah, for sure.Track 3:[8:56] And so, but two of my girlfriends really wanted to go to Iceland. And so they joined me on the trip and we ended up extending the trip a little bit. And we went around the whole, we rented a camper van and went around the whole island for a week, which was just out of this world. And I'm so grateful to, and neither of these women like pavement. They both came with me to the first show, but they were not into it. But one of them did all of the planning. She did all of this research and planned out our entire trip around the island. And all I did was listen to as much pavement as I could possibly get my hands on for one.Track 3:[9:35] And so we had an amazing trip. They came to the first show. They weren't into it. And they didn't come to the other shows, which was fine because I'm like, I got to read. I got to read really hard. But I met some really lovely people, other pavement fans. There and the shows were beautiful they played quite a few repeats which were um the second night felt a little like i expected some repeats the second night it felt a little disappointing i was like how could there be so many repeats but by the third night they were mostly repeating stuff that i really like so i was okay with it um and i knew they were gonna do that you know i kind of expected it um there's a it's tough because they took what 70 70 songs on the road I forget. Somebody told us it was either 60 or 70. I was just re-listening to the episode with Steve West that I think maybe came out very recently. And he said 60. He said they took 60 songs on the road. That's who it was. Yeah. Yeah. And then they play 30 songs a night. So you're going to get some repeats. Yeah. Yeah. Which I expected. They did advertise B-sides and rarities for Iceland.Track 3:[10:42] There were only so many, but it still was wonderful. And Harpa is a gorgeous venue. It's beautiful. It was also really funny. There's like no security in Iceland, you know? And so like, I'm so used to like hiding all my things when I go into a show. And like you know nobody they barely looked at my ticket that was pretty funny yeah it was um they they were they were lovely shows i had a really sweet moment um uh i think it was after the first show i was walking with my friends we were maybe a lot we were maybe two blocks from the venue and it's you know it's it's late at night but it's still light out because it was july in iceland and i saw this this kid he was probably maybe seven years old he looked like he He was, I don't know if he was Icelandic or if he was somehow related to the band. I think I've seen pictures of him in the front row from those shows. So maybe he was connected somehow.Track 3:[11:37] But he was this kid and he was walking, I think, with his mother. And we were a few blocks from the venue. And I hear the kid just like, I hear him singing like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And I just perk up and I start singing it with him. And he looks at me and his eyes just light up. And I was like, there's this connection that happens when people, you know, when it's this, it's familiarity. And we just, we didn't speak any words. We just had this like these huge smiles at each other and kept singing it as we were walking. So it was really cute. The magic of pavement. Wow. Cool. I really feel that.Track 3:[12:14] Yeah. Oh, and then, and then after that, you know, they, they, they played those Brooklyn shows. I really wanted to go to them, but I couldn't go because I had to be in New York the next week. I actually had jury duty that week, so I just couldn't get to New York to go to the Brooklyn shows last year. But then this year, and then they played South America this year. I was like, I can't get to those either. I've got a lot of dreams of traveling for music that I can't quite make happen. But then they just played Bumbershoot in Seattle, which is only three hours away. way. And I was like, I was really torn because one of my dear friends was having a big blowout for his 50th birthday that same night. And I was just like, the pavement's not going to play that much longer, I don't think. And he said, I would never fault you for going to see music. So I went by myself. I took the train up to Seattle and had such a great time. And part of the reason I actually wanted to come on your podcast was one of the things that was so interesting to me about being at that show was, After being mostly in the balcony in Iceland, I did go down to the floor for the third night of that run. But I was determined. I was like, I want to be front row center for this show.Track 3:[13:33] And the way that the Bumper Shoot is this really great festival. It's set up in Seattle Center. It's really beautiful. And so I was standing kind of to the outside of the stage where they were going to play as the band before them was finishing. And as soon as they were done, I kind of started walking towards the middle. And there was a spot on the rail I could have taken, but it was off to the side. I really wanted to be more central. So I went all the way to the center and I ended up, you know, like fourth or fifth row. But it was still an hour before they were going to start. And so there were all these people who were also crowding around, like waiting for them. And so a bunch of us ended up sitting down and just chatting. And these two people that I was sitting with and who I talked to a lot, And we, you know, we saved space for each other during that time. It was so fascinating. The, it was this, it was this man and this woman and she had, she had just three weeks ago turned 21.Track 3:[14:28] And, and I know I just, I couldn't believe it. And so I asked her, and so I was like, tell, tell me how you got into pavement, you know, channeling you Diddy. And, and so we had this amazing conversation just about how she got into pavement and her favorite songs and everything. thing. And one of the things that I thought was so interesting, you know, we all know that, you know, pavement's having this TikTok resurgence. I'm not even on TikTok, so I don't know, you know, like all that stuff. But, but it was so interesting to me that there are, you know, and, and, oh, and almost all the, there was a lot of people who were, I'd say in my age range, slightly older than me, you know, maybe like in their fifties who were there, who were like really enjoying the show. But all the, most of the people who are right around me were, were in their twenties and it was so fascinating. And so the idea to me that there are people who, there are people who love pavement, like who are, who, who love pavement and love talking about pavement and love seeing pavement as much as I do, but have a completely different relationship with cut your hair than, than I do, you know, or that people who got into pavement, you know, when they first, when they first came out, it's so different. Um, and I was so fascinated by, by all of that. And then one of the weirdest things was that they didn't play cut your hair at the show. And, you know, I mean, they've played it in every other show I've been at, so it was okay. But I was actually really shocked about it. I was like, you know, they're catering to their new fans and they're not catering to their original fans.Track 3:[15:56] It's very cool to think that, you know, all this touring and the TikTok stuff has really led to a new generation enjoying this band. And that's just a testament to, you know, the music they made, right?Track 3:[16:18] For sure. And it's interesting that they, you know, like in some ways I really appreciate that they're not making new music as pavement. Like I love the new music that they're making. Otherwise I'm a really big fan of, you know, Stephen Malkin's and the Jicks and all of that work. And, and I'm really excited about the hard quartet stuff that's coming out. But, you know, there, there is a part of me that, that wonders, you know, what that would be like. And, and as much as I, in some ways, I wish like pavement hadn't broken up, like the stuff that Stephen Malkin, you know, created afterwards is so, so rich and so brilliant that, you know, I know that that was supposed to happen in that way. Yeah, I liken it to every time I make wishes about changing my past, you know, I think, I can't do that. I have two kids and I don't want anything to happen to them. I don't want to wish them away by accident. That would be terrible. Yeah, you want a butterfly to take your kids away. You know, the same thing goes with this man. Yeah. If they'd been broken up, you'd be on a totally different life path. Totally. Well what do you say rachel from portland that we take a break and then come back and listen to song number 14 yeah i'm into it all right let's do that hey.Track 2:[17:39] This is bob nastanovich from pavement thanks for listening and now on with a countdown down.Track 3:[17:47] 14...Track 3:[21:19] This week, we're on the horn with AT&T. How are you feeling about song number 14, Rachel, from Portland?Track 3:[21:29] I love AT&T. The song is super fun. I really love the way in which, like, the verses go into this, you know, when he goes into the, like, whatever, whatever. And there's a kind of screaming thing in it. It almost feels like the whole song, like, could be complete. And then it like starts again with the second verse, which I really love. Um, I just go, it takes you on a really cool journey. And I also love to me, there's so much like meaning in it. And there's also so much, um, that I don't understand and feels a little bit nonsense, nonsensical to me, um, which, which I, which really, which I also love. Cause that, that really feels part of like the essence of pavement, you know, like there was something really deep and there was something that's really nonsense. Sense and and it's almost like i almost feel like as a band they like both want you to want to figure it out and they're like don't be a fool and try to figure it out i love that yeah i can see that my first talk with spiral stairs ever he talked about the mystery of the band and you know how the first uh couple eps they were just spiral stairs and sm people didn't even quite know on the the first EP, whether the band's name was Pavement or whether it was Slay Tracks.Track 3:[22:49] So they loved that mystery. So who knows, that might have carried forward rather than in Persona, but in the music. That's a nice assessment.Track 3:[23:07] So what else do you think about when you think about this track? This is from Wowie Zowie. Is it one of your standout Wowie Zowie tracks?Track 3:[23:22] Yes and no. I mean, I love Wowie Zowie. It was, you know, I never submitted my top 20 ballot to you because I didn't find out about your podcast until after the ballots were in. And so when I, when I go through my like top 20, there's like, I don't know, 14 or so that are, that are very clearly in my top 14. And then there's, and then there's like 15 songs vying for the last six months. So this wasn't in that original, um, uh, roundup for me, but it is a song I really love. And, and there's most things on Wowie Zowie that I, you know, that again is an album I really enjoy listening to through. Through um and uh and I you know I would never I would never I would never skip this song when it came on it's um uh and now and now that I've like spent so much time listening to it for this podcast it it definitely might it might up its way into my top 20 a little bit um yeah but there's so many good songs on Wawi Zawi it's hard to it's hard to you know um I don't I don't think there's any on wawi zawi that i don't really love that much yeah i put you on the spot yeah, so um what do you think this one's do you have a do you have a take on this on this one i do i do have a take on it and i'm just gonna say i'm gonna preface.Track 3:[24:48] This by saying that um i i'm a life coach and so i think that i'm um coming to this from a little bit of like a life coach you know uh way of viewing it so i also will say that you know that's just my perspective and i i don't need to be right on any of this this is just the interpretation that that i came up with based on reading it um okay so a couple things that so first of all um at&t you know obviously it's a um you know phone company communication company so i think that that in essence there's this idea about, um, the, the way in which we are like in communication with each other, but also the way in which we are in communication with ourselves.Track 3:[25:30] Um, and the way in which that can be like clear and the way in which that can be clouded a little bit. Um, I did, I did go online and just kind of like look up the lyrics and read some things. And there, you know, there's a lot of different, there's a lot of different controversy about the lyrics in terms of, um, the way that they're printed like on the, you know, if you look, if you look at the lyrics, there's a lot of people who are like, no, that's not right. So, so, you know, who knows, who knows about that stuff. But, um, Uh, I, I personally think that there's a, well, let me just tell you, let me tell you what I'm feeling. All right. So, um, so when it starts with this, maybe someone's going to save me. I did, I did read somewhere that it's, that that's kind of like, um, punking Oasis a little bit. I don't know if that's true, but I, I kind of like the idea of it. Um, but, but to me, what it really means is like, I kind of feel that this is somebody who, you know, this song is really kind of speaking about somebody who is almost like afraid to take action in their own life and is kind of like swimming in the soup of what they, of like what they think they're supposed to be doing, you know, whether that's like the corporate ladder or, you know, or having success in certain ways. And so this idea of like, maybe someone's going to save me is, is kind of like, I'm not going to take my own action and I'm just going to kind of wait for someone else to come in and create direction.Track 3:[26:54] And, and so I think that kind of, to me, I really feel that in the, like, the laps I swim from lunatics don't count. Like, I'm like, I think a lot of us take, you know, we do, it's not like we're totally inactive. It's not like we're sitting on the couch all day, like couch potatoes, but we're maybe doing things that, that are, you know, helpful to others, but not necessarily helpful to ourselves, you know, or, or, you know, like, not, not the most urgent or meaningful things that we need to do, even though, even though they're, you know, it's action. So the things that when it when it says that open up your stockings, pull out of the things you never wanted from room service calls. To me, that really has to do with like, The the ways in which, you know, like the limiting beliefs or the bad habits that we've that we've gotten either like from our parents or from society or from the people who cared for us and the ways in which our brains kind of took that and and and turned it into operating systems for how we move through the world, which, you know, I think in general, those are very helpful in the sense that they got us through what we needed to get through. But they're not always helpful because they somehow sometimes they really limit us and they create like false beliefs that keep us from achieving what we want to achieve in our lives i know i'm getting i'm getting real deep here this is just the first verse.Track 3:[28:17] No this is cool i'll tell you what because i'm a little high right now and you're taking me places rachel from portland this is all right so keep at it okay cool so um so the whole idea was like open up your hands and let me see the things you keep in there in there. Like that to me really speaks to me about this idea of like, of like being vulnerable and like showing your true authentic self. And what I think the song is, is kind of challenging is this idea that like.Track 3:[28:46] That it is like, that's how we make real connection. And at the same time, it's really vulnerable and uncomfortable. We don't always want to do it. Right. You know, like and so, and so that, you know, that's kind of, That's kind of how I see this song, that like somebody who's really kind of afraid to connect with their own full, authentic, true self and is kind of experiencing the discomfort of, you know, living in a world where they're like putting on a face.Track 3:[29:19] Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, does it make sense? Maybe you haven't thought about that song this song in that way i haven't thought about it in this way for absolute sure no this is cool um yeah keep yeah keep going i was i had a question slips away, Okay, yeah, let me know if you remember it. So then because then it goes into the like, whenever, whenever I feel fine, which I just love the riff on this. It's so high energy and fun. And then it gets into those really silly, like, like groovy, groovy kitty. But, um, but it's this idea of like, whenever I feel fine, I'm going to walk away from all this, all that. And it's kind of like, I don't know if you've heard people say, I'm sure I'm sure we've all heard people say things like, Oh, I can't do this because of this. Or like, you know, when this thing happens, then I'll be then I'll be able to do this. And it's almost like, wait, you know, I hear the character like waiting for, you know, waiting for that someone's that's going to save me. And when I feel better, then I'm going to do these things as opposed to just taking the action to make themselves be ready to do it. You know, like I'll walk away now as opposed to when I'll walk away whenever it is that I feel better.Track 3:[30:32] And this is where we get to one part where there was a, there's a, what's the word I'm looking for? Discrepancy in the lyrics. The lyrics that I found say, yeah, the lyrics I found say, you skinny, skinny people don't like that when you calm them. But I read online, somebody said, no, it's when you call them or when you call on them, which also works for AT&T. I think both ways work in terms of this interpretation. Like, like people don't like it when you're not authentic with them, you know? And so, or when you, in terms of a calm them, if it is call on them, then it could be like, Like, you know, almost this feeling of fear that if you ask someone for something, then, you know, it's like almost a fear of our own neediness, if that makes sense. You know, like everybody has needs, but nobody wants to be needy, you know, like we all want like, but we all have needs. And so I think if you're, you know, if it's like, if it's saying, you know, people don't like that when you call on them, if that's the lyric, then then there's almost this idea of like, a fear that if I ask someone for something, then they're gonna, you know, then then it's very vulnerable. Again, it puts you out there in a way that could be considered uncomfortable.Track 3:[31:49] Very, very interesting look at that. And it's nice that you prefaced it with your occupation. Because it's... No, where I'm going with this is we all bring our shared experiences to these songs. And you've shared some experiences with people as well. Well, so you're probably bringing all of that, you know, like you've got, yeah, you've given us some stuff to think about. Anyway, that's where I'm going with that. Yeah, for sure. And I wonder if the band would like laugh at me and be like, no, this isn't what it's about at all. I can honestly say all 50 episodes of this, the band would laugh.Track 3:[32:40] I think all 50 episodes. it's like but be grateful as well because they get to meet all all of y'all so that's the cool part as for um in i started university as a poetry major creative writing and poetry and, that's all you do in the first in the first semester is analyze poetry and it's like 90% of it is putting yourself out there, you know, on the limb, right? Most people, most people don't. Well, Rachel from Portland, do you have anything you'd like to plug? Um.Track 3:[33:25] I don't think so. There might, there might be a, a time coming soon where maybe a pavement song might be sung by me somewhere, someplace, but I'm not going to, I don't think I can say too much more about that. So if you happen to be in Portland, you know, you can find me somewhere. Get it recorded and you can submit it to the pod list next year. Oh, maybe I will. See?Track 3:[33:54] That's good. All right. That's what I've got for you. Uh want to thank rachel and i want to definitely thank pavement for at&t and all the other songs that we've heard so far next week we are going to track number lucky number 13, so uh hit the roulette wheel put it all on 13 and just some jd sent you and in the meantime wash your goddamn hands.:Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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This week Steve West calls in to chat with jD about a variety of things including song # 16Transcript:Track 2:[0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. There you have it. Song number 17 is Zurich is Stained from the debut long play Slanted and Enchanted. Mike, is this song in fact slanted and or enchanted? Discuss. Yes, indeed. I love this song. This song, it really is. And it's sort of an oasis. I love where it appears on the record. it's coming straight out of the chaos of uh conduit for sale and right before the chaos of chelsea's little wrists and you get this like really light breezy but fast song i mean it's not a ballad it's not like here it is it is this breezy light almost feels like it would be, at home on the Velvet Underground's third record. Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement.Track 3:[1:03] And you're listening to The Countdown. Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballads. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a motorcycle and sidecar driven by an orangutan. How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? You'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan. No, wait a minute. Pavement superstar, Steve fucking West. Westy, how the fuck are you? I'm doing pretty good today. Yes. It's a good day, right? Yeah. Good day. Well, let's get right into it. Everybody else has been coming on and talking about their pavement origin story. I feel like that's sort of a strange thing because we've talked about it a little bit in the past. But I'm curious what it was like for you, I don't know, getting the call or getting the letter or whatever it was, the communication, the telephone call or whatever, that they were looking to fill Gary's role or like how that looked like. What what did that look like on your end?Track 3:[2:25] Well, it was kind of a long process of, you know, knowing Bob from high school and then being in Manhattan and Brooklyn and meeting Stephen and Bob and David. And then knowing that they were having difficulties kind of with with Gary.Track 3:[2:46] I can't say that I didn't know that it might be coming. And there was a phone call, like you said. But um i didn't really you know you know it kind of blew me away when it when it happened i think it was on a pay phone in manhattan and i was working at a um at a gallery helping to put up some artwork for leo castelli oh wow and i talked to steven and he was like i don't know man just put those drumsticks in the oven and keep them worn because i don't know what it's going to happen. So, you know, he was, he was giving me a heads up, but he wasn't promising me anything and understandable because, you know, the things were up and down with Gary. And so, and then, uh, I really, when it actually happened, I don't really remember any other phone call where it was because we, Steven and I would see each other quite a lot. And we lived in Brooklyn and, And we would hang out together when he wasn't on tour.Track 3:[3:56] And, you know, we play music together with David. When Bobby wasn't around, we were I kind of sat in as a drummer for them for the Silver Dudes and those little jam sessions we'd have in Brooklyn. So that kind of was the thing that kind of eased me into the whole playing music with with Stephen as well as with David. Wow and I had a loft in Brooklyn on 1st and 1st I think it was.Track 3:[4:31] South fifth. And it was a really crappy loft and it had, you know, we can make a lot of noise and it was right next to the Williamsburg bridge. And yep. And there was a tiny room in the back that Steven and I rehearsed, all those crooked rain songs when, you know, Gary had broken up and I guess I had joined the band and then we were like there jamming he was kind of introducing me to those songs in this room you know smaller than the bedroom that you have right there it was a small room it was like 10 by 10 not even probably, and uh i remember the guys upstairs complaining and banging on the ceiling and i was like come on this is a loft this is what you do in brooklyn this is what you're here you're an artist and you're musicians, and you make noise. You get a loft, and you make art, and you make noise. Totally. Yeah, we rehearsed those a few times, and then went in to record in Manhattan.Track 3:[5:41] Wow. That's pretty whirlwind, too, then, right? Yeah, I mean, it happened over a couple of months, but over a summer, that summer of, I guess, 93, um spring when i think gary quit i'm not hard for me to remember all the logistics of that's that's cool that's cool this isn't uh uh that kind of podcast where we you know get too into the weeds yeah yeah so what do you remember about um like a first show or when did you meet the rest of the guys like you were you were jamming with steve and you guys were coming up with crooked rain stuff and you were you know laying down drums for it in manhattan at the um, at that uh oh my gosh i forget the name of it right now but that uh pseudo studio, right while i recorded that that's right yeah that's right um yes so i think what happened was that spring before we recorded Crooked Rain um.Track 3:[6:54] There was a Drag City Invitational, and it might have been late spring, early summer. And we drove out to Chicago and played that. And that was the first time I played with the full group.Track 3:[7:13] I played with Steven and his girlfriend, Alexa, and maybe Mark. And we played at a show in New York City for a matador like in reunion or something like that show but that wasn't really pavement and we just played new songs or whatever I don't know what it was but the first pavement show was at the drag city thing drag city invitational um it was at a club that was across the street from where Dillinger was uh captured caught shot and captured um in Chicago and uh you know a lot of great bands on Drag City were there and Silver Juice played and um I guess uh Royal Trucks played as.Track 3:[8:01] Well and they recorded those stood a bit of it in the basement and um I remember playing that show and we had never practiced so it was just kind of like guessing really about everything yeah I don't think we practiced at all no we just went out there and played it and i had played you know the some some of the songs with steven but you know the crooked rain songs but the old songs we had never played all together so i just had to kind of they knew them and i had to you know make sure i kind of knew them and we got through it was a short set but it was good yeah that's pretty cool that's that's pretty cool it would be a cool.Track 3:[8:43] Ticket stub to own for the, you know, the first complete Pavement Band show, you know? Yeah.Track 3:[8:53] So you getting your hands dirty with Crooked Rain, does that tend to be the record that you would go back to if you were the type of person to listen to your own content? I don't know if you do. Like, I don't know if you, you know, listen to records that you've been on or whether you, you know, sort of avoid it. Like, I don't listen to very many of these podcasts, for example, just because, you know, they're done. They're done. They're done. Exactly. Like, I got their history. Yeah. What is that like with you with records? Is there one that you go back to that you're really proud of or anything like that?Track 3:[9:30] No, I mean, technically, I just go back to listen to practice to them. So I'm prepared for whatever's coming ahead. But, you know, each one has different memories for me. And of course, Crooked Rain was this fresh guy trying to figure out how to play with Stephen as well as with the whole band live as well as the recording. Recording um and uh wowie dowie would probably be more of a band thing where i would be like that was nostalgic was a really fun recording session in memphis and everything so but you know they're all different and they all have good and bad memories so i don't go back to them to listen that way i'm not that old yet.Track 3:[10:24] But when i go to practice to him i try to practice to like our live stuff that we did this past year right as well as um the rehearsals that we did in portland and i have all like the hard drives of the breakdown of the songs and you know the tracks and everything so, i'm probably more prepared for what could be thrown at me as you know how we play the songs live as a as a six piece and how we record them over the years in different setups so right it's two different ways of you know being prepared for all the things to be thrown at you yeah i suppose so like i mean was this was this tour like the well i call it this tour but the 2022 tour was that the most you guys had rehearsed like for uh for a series of shows before.Track 3:[11:17] I think so. I mean, the 2010, I think we practiced about five or five to eight times. But this time was a much better environment. And I think we practiced at least 10 or 12 days to prepare for that Fonda show in, I guess it was L.A. Which was great. I was on that one. That was fantastic. That was fun. and we all worked really hard to you know learn a whole lot of songs and be prepared how many did you take on the road um i think it was around 60 jeez yeah 60 songs that we could somehow pull out you know yeah and do that's a lot that's a lot of songs yeah and i mean you You guys were playing like 25, 26 songs a night. So like Toronto shows, for example, I saw it back to back and it was like, they weren't completely different set lists, but it really kept it interesting, you know, to see you guys multiple times because you had this.Track 3:[12:26] You had this log of, of songs that you could just carry around. Right. And Bobby is the master of doing that. He keeps track of everything and really works hard at making the set list different every night, as well as having the standards that you should be playing, but not having those standards be the same standard every night. Yeah yeah i'll tell you what doing this top 50 countdown what i did was i asked people to send in their top 20 lists and when i when i did all the math there was 121 different songs that were chosen so obviously i'm only counting the 50 but there's that many songs in your catalog that people fucking dig like that's you know that's got to be daunting in a certain way when you know There's B-sides and things like that that you guys might not have even played once outside of recording. Yeah, recording. Yeah.Track 2:[13:27] Okay, so what do you say we give song number 16 a spin, Steve? That sounds great to me. All right, let's do it. We'll be back on the other side. Hey, this is Bob Nestanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening. And now on with a countdown. 16 now.Track 2:[20:31] Fillmore Jive, number 16 on the countdown.Track 3:[20:35] It's the third song from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain, behind Stop Breathing at 28 and Cut Your Hair at 21. So this song actually beats Cut Your Hair, which is, I don't know. Is that surprising? Is that surprising to you? No, I'd rather pick Fillmore Jive over Cut Your Hair. But, I mean, Cut Your Hair is the pop song. So yeah yeah that's why i was surprised it wouldn't be in the top five or something i was you know just looking at the spotify uh the spotify plays you know cut your hair is like way up there and bill more jive is not right right so is is it do you consider it like a deep cut like when you guys went to it on the most recent tour was it um was it a deeper cut in the bag of songs that you brought? Yeah, I say a deeper cut because I don't think we did it in 2010. And we hadn't done it for years in the 90s. I think we did it in 94 and maybe they did it with Gary too before me.Track 3:[21:51] So I would say it's a deep cut live but in terms of records records you know for people to really enjoy but it's a pretty great number yeah pretty historic number and it really uh puts a nice end to that album yeah i think so yeah it leaves you wanting more for sure yes like in a good way you know not not like yeah okay i was like oh is that insulting thing um what.Track 2:[22:24] Do you say we get back to film our job sorry i'm.Track 3:[22:30] We recorded that, and I don't know if Stephen and I ever played that song except for when we recorded it in Manhattan at Walleye's Place. And then we played it a few times in 94, a handful of times, and didn't really play it again until this previous past couple of years. And it was always up. People loved it. Yeah, I was looking on Setlist FM, and it's like, Like, you guys played it 79 times in total, according to Setlist FM, but probably about 20 times this last tour, maybe something like that. Okay. And I got to tell you, I found it really interesting that you picked Billmore Jive, because it's the song that you're waiting a minute, almost a full minute before the drums come in. Yeah. Right? Right. And then it's that big cacophonous, you know, like I need to sleep with the with the cymbal crash. And yeah, the song really picks up steam at that point. Right now that.Track 3:[23:39] OK, so that song, I think, is where Stephen kind of the producer or the engineer, Bryce Goggin, who. who mixed the album. We recorded it in a different place, but he mixed the album. He was giving Carl Blanc to make it as big as he wanted. Do all the tricks. Do all the production tricks. And the only thing was that there was this previous recording of the intro, like you're talking about, and I don't know if that was recorded at Bob's apartment in Hoboken or at Gary's, you know, uh, studio, um, um.Track 3:[24:24] But they had that previous recording, which he thought was great.Track 3:[24:28] But he wanted to have, you know, a different take for the rest of the song. So that's kind of how we did it. And he kind of, I know that if you could hear the raw track, you'd probably hear him saying, okay, now, you know, we're playing along. He's like, okay, now we're going to get really loud and get crazy. West, go crazy. And now we're going to go quiet. So there's no way I knew that song that well, well because we wouldn't have practiced it it's a long song it's yeah it's almost seven minutes right right it's a feel song and um i think he just kind of like talked me through it and it was just the two of us so there wasn't all that other you know instrumentation to play off of it was more just him talking singing and playing um and trying to get a i feel and it definitely got a feel good or bad it got a good it got a feel oh it's yeah it's got a great it's got a great feel to it i just i can remember going for walks when i discovered crooked rain like you know in 2000 or whenever it was uh i was way off the beaten track and um just walking around listening to crooked rain and it would get to that song and there was just i don't know there's just something about that cymbal crash into the into the you know the main thrust of the song and then bringing it down again you know as he's talking about the punks with spikes and and things like that yeah.Track 3:[25:57] Just like he's kind of narrating uh narrating a music history for like a past couple decades up to that point and um you know making it kind of bringing out the history of it you know talking about the punks and the nightclubs and where he is you know it's not real you can't put your finger on it but you feel like you're being educated in a way about some weird world yeah i agree, yeah i mean doing this has been really fun because on this half you know we talk about the song and just getting people's impressions of what you know these songs are about out is fascinating is really fascinating because you know steve doesn't leave too many breadcrumb trails for you to figure things out it's it's just sort of um these cool phrases and cool little, you know vignettes almost and uh it's just really neat to hear what people think of them and i like like your take on, you know, going through a music history. That's, that's fabulous.Track 3:[27:08] Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. Anything else you want to say about, uh, Fillmore Jive?Track 3:[27:17] Um i love film or drive for its faults as for its um its feeling just as much, because like i said you know i don't think we did it more than once and of course you can always improve if you get a chance to take a test more than once right but you have to look at it that way i have to look at it that way and i listened to it today and i was like wow that's pretty great you know i can hear the things that i would change but um you know on my part not on okay anyone else's part but um you sometimes you just you just have to go with the flow and that's kind of what, being in pavement is and was about it's kind of going out there and and playing the songs and recording the songs and recording a lot and having a lot to throw away or to be on b-sides and um And then put the ones on the album that sound the best and live with the good and the bad, because a lot of times the mistakes are the happy mistakes. And people kind of endear themselves to that. Yeah, I think so. I think so. Happy mistakes is a good way to put it. Yeah. You got to have those happy mistakes. Yeah. Go away with a happy mistake is a great thing to feel when you hit the recorder. I didn't mean to do that, but that sounds awesome.Track 3:[28:44] Yeah, isn't that what they say? When you mess up, you just do it again, and everybody thinks you're jamming. Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, the next time it doesn't have the same feel. And, you know, when you think about the different albums, like the last album, there was a lot of time put into making that album problem as really crisp and time oriented in time, you know, cleaned up a lot of the pavement sound. Right. And I've always said that. There's a good part to that because i really enjoy that album and the production that nigel did um, but you do miss a little bit of the soul of the band too agreed and then when you step back and you go yes but over the five or whatever albums we did they're all different and that's the difference in this album and it's still a pretty great album so i'm all all for it Yeah. So what does 24 bring you guys? You're going to South America.Track 3:[29:55] Yes. When's the last time you played South America? 2010. We played South America. We played one or two shows. No, at least two shows there. And this time you're doing four or five, right? You were doing four shows, one big festival, and then three other cities and like three other countries and um it's like four shows in, six days or something so after that i don't know i think we're probably going to go into hibernation but and we'll see if we'll come out like the groundhog or not.Track 3:[30:35] Well it's been awesome talking to you about film or jive and the rest uh steve you're amazing with your time that's um it really means a lot that you would do this so thanks so much well thank you jamie it's always a pleasure when i see you in person and talk to you on the phone and all of this zoom business too that's right yeah well thanks a lot talk to you soon right wash your hands.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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