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The Specialty Matcha Podcast is hosted by Ryan Ahn and Zongjun Li, cofounders of Sanko Matcha Products. We discuss the growth in popularity of matcha, innovation, and matcha science. We also interview thought leaders, tea merchants, and tea educators to discuss everything from sourcing, processing, blending, milling, storytelling, health claims, and much more. Sanko Matcha Products is a startup dedicated to using functional design to create contemporary matcha gear and the use of new technology to innovate the matcha milling process.

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    • May 22, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • weekly NEW EPISODES
    • 45m AVG DURATION
    • 60 EPISODES


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    2025 Harvest Season with Marc from Ooika

    Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2025 40:12


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun discuss the 2025 matcha harvest with Marc from Ooika. They discuss the quality and yield of the spring 2025 harvest, the matcha shortage, prices, and the economic dynamics of Uji tea.The episode also includes participants from the Ooika matcha tour and was recorded at the end of day one.

    Notes at Origin: Hand-picking Honzu Shaded Asahi Cultivar in Uji

    Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2025 39:06


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Sam share their experiences of hand-picking tea in Uji, Japan for the 2025 harvest season. They discuss the unique challenges and techniques involved in tea harvesting, the community spirit among tea pickers, and the sustainability issues facing the industry. The conversation also touches on the cultural aspects of tea production, the gatekeeping in matcha culture, and offers advice for those interested in tea picking. They conclude with thoughts on the future of matcha and the potential for growth in other regions beyond Uji.

    Back to Basics

    Play Episode Listen Later May 11, 2025 41:53


    In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun discuss their experiences with matcha in various cafes, particularly in London. They explore the quality of matcha served, the preparation techniques used, and the importance of staff training. The conversation highlights the challenges faced by cafes in delivering high-quality matcha with exacting standards and the need for better consumer education. They also emphasize the significance of infrastructure and workflow in cafes to improve matcha quality and share insights on how the matcha industry can evolve.

    Why is average cafe matcha so bad?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2025 32:45


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun discuss the current state of matcha in cafes, highlighting the challenges of quality, barista training, and consumer expectations. They explore the structural issues within the matcha industry, including supply chain problems and the lack of education for both baristas and consumers. The conversation emphasizes the need for better quality products and the importance of creating demand for specialty matcha.

    Interview with Tezumi, David

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2025 121:45


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun interview David Lavecchia, co-founder of Tezumi, a company specializing in specialty Japanese tea and teaware. They discuss the founding of Tezumi, the challenges of sourcing, and the importance of transparency in the tea industry. The conversation also explores the complexities and heritage of zairai (seed-grown tea), the evolution matcha milling, the role of the chashi (tea blenders), lost matcha production methods, the sen-Senke, samurai warrior class schools including David's school Ueda Sōko-ryū, and Tezumi's content creation process. https://www.tezumi.com/https://www.youtube.com/@tezumitea

    Matcha's Past, Present, and Future

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2025 67:27


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan Ahn and ZongjunLi explore the rich history and cultural significance of matcha . They discuss the origins of tea, the evolution of matcha production, and the impact of historical events on its consumption. The conversation delves into the mythical stories surrounding tea, the development of the Japanese tea ceremony, and contemporary critiques of its practice. They also address the globalization of matcha, the specialty matcha movement, and the complexities of cultural appropriation in today's society. The episode concludes with reflections on the future of matcha as both a traditional and innovative product.This episode references the book Making Tea, Making Japan by Kristin Surak. https://www.sup.org/books/asian-studies/making-tea-making-japan

    What do you care about?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2025 47:07


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun delve into the often-overlooked tensions between the values that shape how matcha is sourced and marketed. They argue that it's in the compromises vendors make—whether in pursuit of tradition, product quality, or prestige—that their core values are most clearly revealed. This conversation unpacks the friction between consumer preferences, product quality, sustainability, support for Japanese tea farms, reverence for tea ceremony traditions, and matcha's reputation as a health product. What happens when these priorities collide? And what does it say about the choices we make as producers, sellers, and drinkers of matcha?

    Show, don't tell

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2025 42:01


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan Ahn and Zongjun discuss the complexities of matcha product positioning, emphasizing the need for transparency and consumer education. They explore the challenges of top-down positioning in the matcha industry, where consumers often lack the knowledge to make informed decisions. The hosts advocate for a shift towards a more transparent approach that allows consumers to understand the quality and flavor profiles of matcha products, ultimately leading to a more educated consumer base and a healthier market.

    Interview with Industry Veteran, Jules Reyes

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2025 78:34


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan Ahn and Zongjun Li interview Jules Reyes, a seasoned matcha expert with over a decade of experience. Jules shares her journey into the matcha industry, her role in building community events, and her experience scaling the Jade Leaf Matcha. The conversation delves into the importance of customer connection and the evolving landscape of matcha education. Jules emphasizes the need for transparency in the industry and offers advice for aspiring entrepreneurs looking to enter the matcha market.Jules is the creator if Instagram pages @matcha.sf @matcha.la @matcha.nyc

    Our Startup Pitch, Matcha Shortage Recap, and Reflections

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 13, 2025 50:10


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan Ahn and Zongjun Li reflect on their journey in the matcha industry, discussing their startup vision, the cultural significance of matcha, and the challenges faced in the market, particularly the ongoing matcha shortage. They emphasize the importance of community engagement, feedback, and the need for innovation in the matcha supply chain. The episode also highlights goals for the future and a call for anyone interested in becoming an early adaptor of our fresh ground matcha mill.

    Matcha + Milk Debate

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 6, 2025 47:57


    This conversation explores the current debate about consumers buying scarce matcha powder and mixing it with milk. On one side of the spectrum "let consumers do what they want" and on the other side "consumers are destroying the subtly and nuance that makes high quality matcha incredibly unique". The hosts discuss the ongoing matcha shortage, the implications of the 'ceremonial grade' label, and the evolving landscape of matcha culture as it becomes more mainstream. Special thanks to Monique from Matcha Moments based in the Philippines, Marc from Ooika based in the US, Cole from My Matcha Addiction based in the US, and Bryan from Matsu Matcha based in Singapore for their perspectives in this episode.

    Mini Update & The Science of Matcha Whisking Repost

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2025 33:00


    This conversation delves into the intricate science of matcha whisking, exploring its cultural significance, preparation methods, and the sensory experience it offers. Hosts Ryan and Zongjun discuss the unique properties of matcha as a suspension, the challenges of achieving the perfect foam, and the evolution of matcha consumption from traditional ceremonies to modern-day practices. They also touch on the subjective nature of quality in matcha and the need for innovation in its preparation.

    Authenticity Trap, Opinion

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2025 47:31


    In this episode, Ryan Ahn and Zongjun (Sam) Li explore the concept of authenticity, particularly in the context of matcha and tea culture. They discuss how the term 'authenticity' can be problematic, often used as a weapon to police others' practices, and how it creates a fear of judgment that stifles innovation. The conversation delves into the contradictions between tradition and modernity, the implications of cultural appropriation, and the double standards faced by different cultural practices. Ultimately, they advocate for a more personal and subjective understanding of authenticity, encouraging listeners to focus on their own preferences and experiences rather than external judgments.

    Interview with Jacque and Matcha, Jacque

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2025 51:01


    On this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun talk to Jacque from Jacque and Matcha based in Manila, the Philippines. We discuss pop ups, the rise of specialty matcha, Filipino matcha preferences and the launch of her new brand.

    Battles to be Won

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 6, 2025 38:46


    Episode Summary: Ryan Ahn and Zongjun (Sam) Li explore how specialty matcha can go mainstream, drawing lessons from specialty coffee. They discuss the role of major brands, the need for consumer education, quality standards, and innovative preparation methods to grow the global matcha community.

    What is Authentic Matcha? Opinion

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2025 54:33


    Modern advancements in farming, breeding, and production reveal that matcha is far from being a relic of the past—it is a dynamic and evolving tradition. Although the matcha enjoyed today differs from what earlier generations experienced, it maintains a lineage of ongoing development. These changes arise from the interplay of industry, market forces, and culture, creating a vibrant and interconnected community that continually influences and redefines itself. This adaptability is what defines matcha's authenticity. Authenticity isn't about freezing traditions in time but about a culture's capacity to evolve, grow, and stay relevant. Matcha's true authenticity lies in its transformation, not in clinging to a fixed, idealized version of the past. https://omsom.com/blogs/second-menu/how-calling-for-authenticity-can-be-a-burden?srsltid=AfmBOop7WVHOrUMzY6UuV2vxfxnIIm6DcROU60Mjn1Pw7ADtqJZW4-Ux https://open.spotify.com/episode/3dGSrCp4Y8RVzqL96MBkNp?si=b77ed26e223e43b6

    Are Poetic Matcha Names Harmful?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2025 58:12


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan Ahn and Zongjun (Sam) Li delve into the complexities and confusions surrounding poetic matcha names. They discuss how these names can mislead consumers, the cultural context of matcha consumption, and the need for transparency in the industry. The conversation highlights the potential harm to consumers and farmers alike, as well as the importance of evolving the naming conventions to better serve a modern audience. The hosts advocate for a shift towards more descriptive and transparent labeling to enhance consumer understanding and appreciation of matcha. https://kyotojournal.org/tea-food-2/much-ado-about-matcha/

    Interview with Tea for Me Please, Nicole

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 16, 2025 38:57


    In this conversation, Ryan and Nicole from Tea for Me Please discuss the evolution of matcha in the US, the impact of influencer culture on tea, and the importance of building relationships within the tea community. They explore the challenges of maintaining consumer interest in tea, the role of online communities, and the future trends in the matcha landscape, including the growing demand for transparency and quality in matcha products. https://www.teaformeplease.com/

    Interview with Tea Nursery, Pau

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2025 51:42


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun welcome Pau from Tea Nursery to discuss his journey as a tea farmer in Wazuka, the intricacies of tea farming, and the importance of cultivars. Paul shares insights from his experiences in Japan, detailing the seasonal challenges of tea farming and the significance of cultivar development. The conversation also touches on the role of geography in tea cultivation and the complexities of cultivar registration system in Japan. The following cultivars were mentioned but not by name in this episode: Yumesumika ゆめすみか Shizuyutaka しずゆたか https://www.teanursery.com/

    Kissatens, Blue Bottle, and Specialty Matcha

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 2, 2025 50:05


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun explore their recent experiences in Tokyo, focusing on the cultural significance of kissaten coffee shops and their influence on the specialty coffee movement, in particular at Blue Bottle. They discuss the parallels between coffee and matcha, emphasizing the importance of hospitality, intentionality, and consumer experience. The conversation highlights lessons that the matcha industry can learn from the evolution of specialty coffee, as well as the potential for innovation in both fields.

    Reflections on Tencha Sourcing Trip

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2024 41:50


    In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) Li share their experiences and insights from their recent trip to Uji, Izumo City, and Yame. They discuss the unique practices of tea farmers, the intricacies of tea processing, and the differences between artisanal and industrial matcha production. The conversation also touches on the impact of matcha's growing popularity, the challenges faced by small farmers, and the future of matcha sourcing and innovation.

    Interview with Matcha Moments, Monique

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2024 55:45


    Ryan and Zongjun welcome Monique from Matcha Moments. Monique shares insights into the growing matcha culture in the Philippines, her Urasenke practice, educating consumers about high-quality matcha, and the importance of local cafes in promoting specialty matcha. Instagram: @matchamoments.ph

    Notes at Origin: Yame vs Uji Matcha

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 5, 2024 60:37


    Ryan and Zongjun recorded this episode "in the field" during their tencha sourcing trip in Japan. In this episode they discuss differences between Uji and Yame as tea production areas. Some topics discussed are: honzu shading, ishi usu vs ball milling, hika aroma ("fire" or "roasted" aroma), hoshino yame matcha, and technology in tencha processing. If you're interested in the Fukuoka tea tourism map, please reach out to us directly on Instagram or on our website.

    Notes at Origin: Izumo City and Yame

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 28, 2024 48:34


    Ryan and Zongjun recorded this podcast episode during their sourcing trip to Japan and share there notes and experiences.

    Notes at Origin: Uji 2024

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 21, 2024 41:42


    In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun record directly in Uji after visiting several family owned and operated multi-generational tea farms. We share our notes and reactions from everything we learned and experienced. Topics range from the distinction between Uji Matcha vs Matcha from Uji, tencha fertilization practices, and industry power dynamics.

    Matcha Retail in Uji and Kyoto

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2024 47:07


    Ryan and Zongjun recorded this episode in Japan and shared their experiences buying matcha retail in Kyoto and Uji. They dive into product positioning, how information is communicated to consumers, and compare the flavor profile of the cheapest and most expensive matcha they could find.

    Status Quo of Fresh Ground Matcha

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 7, 2024 49:16


    In this conversation, Ryan and Sam explore the evolving landscape of fresh-milled matcha, discussing its rise in popularity, the technology behind its milling, and the various consumer perspectives on its quality and flavor. They delve into critiques of fresh-milled matcha, the challenges of maintaining quality, and the future of specialty matcha as an inclusive industry that embraces innovation while respecting tradition.

    *Breaking News: Marukyu Koyamaen's Announcement

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2024 52:53


    Special thanks to future guest on the Specialty Matcha Podcast Pau from Tea Nursery, and former guests Ian from Yunomi and Cole from My Matcha Addiction. Marukyu Koyamaen's Announcement: https://www.marukyu-koyamaen.co.jp/information/apology-and-notice-regarding-to-quantity-limit-restriction-on-matcha-products-and-the-current-situation/ https://www.teanursery.com/ https://yunomi.life/ https://mymatchaaddiction.com/

    Matcha Science with Dr. Yizhou Ma

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2024 39:48


    Ryan and Zongjun talk to friend and former colleague Dr. Yizhou Ma, assistant professor of food process engineering at Wageningen University in the Netherlands. In this episode they discuss matcha from a food science perspective including matcha milling, particle analysis, particle size distributions, morphology, suspensions, and foam formation. Check out Yizhou's podcast Hood in the Hood: https://open.spotify.com/show/04rulokx6auswo5gnhOqu9

    Interview with Chaseki, Tom

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2024 43:46


    In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Sam interview Tom Greese, co-founder of Chaseki, a matcha-focused business in Thailand. Tom shares his journey from the hospitality industry to launching Chaseki, the challenges faced during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the evolution of the matcha market in Thailand. The conversation delves into the importance of educating consumers about matcha cultivars, the growing specialty coffee scene's relationship with matcha, and future plans for Chaseki, including expansion into the US market. Tom emphasizes the need for a community around matcha and the importance of making quality matcha accessible to everyone.

    Interview with Matsu Matcha, Bryan

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2024 40:56


    In this episode Ryan and Zongjun had the opportunity to interview Bryan Ong, the Founder of Matsu Matcha based in Singapore. The conversation spanned across many topics including the current matcha landscape in Singapore, building a matcha brand, matcha evaluation techniques and even digital advertising strategies. https://www.instagram.com/matsu_matcha/ https://matsumatcha.com/

    Interivew with MTCH, Jev

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2024 51:06


    Apologies for the spotty audio quality, we had some technical difficulties when recording. You can find a full video version of this podcast with correct subtitles on Youtube. In this episode, we're excited to welcome Jev from MTCH, a contemporary matcha bar in Bangkok, Thailand. MTCH has played a pivotal role in our matcha journey on the Specialty Matcha Podcast and has been a major source of inspiration for our broader company, Sanko Matcha Products.

    Matcha Scene in Thailand

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 26, 2024 42:38


    Ryan and Zongjun discuss the Specialty Matcha renaissance happening in Thailand. If you're visiting Thailand and would like a list of recommendations please shoot us an email at hello@sanko-cha.com

    Interview with Founder of Fudo-An, Aislynn van Clief,

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 18, 2024 41:51


    Welcome to Season 2 of the Specialty Matcha Podcast! We have a very special guest and friend Aislynn van Clief to talk about tea ceremony and Japanese philosophy. https://www.fudo-an.com/

    Reflections on Season 1 of the Specialty Matcha Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 5, 2024 42:27


    We're officially 25 episodes in and we're calling that the end of Season 1! The entire team at Sanko matcha products reflects on season 1. Stay tuned for Season 2 starting next week! https://sankomatcha.com/

    Our Questions and Announcement

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 28, 2024 28:49


    Ryan and Zongjun discuss the launch of Obsidian, the One-Dimensional Matcha Whicking Bowl as well as questions they have on their matcha learning journey.

    Interview with My Matcha Addiction, Cole

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 22, 2024 47:14


    In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun interview Cole from My Matcha Addiction (IG: @mymatchaaddiction). They discuss the growing matcha community on Instagram, the increase in matcha options, and Cole's journey in creating a matcha-themed Instagram page. The conversation covers the challenges of finding reliable matcha information, surprises from visiting Japanese matcha shops, and topics like matcha cultivation, production, freshness, and the differences between traditional and modern matcha. They also explore experiences with matcha in Japan and the U.S., single origin and single cultivar preferences, and industry challenges and opportunities, including new milling technologies and the need for standardized vocabulary and consumer education.

    Interview with My Japanese Green Tea, Ricardo Caicedo

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 15, 2024 36:51


    Ryan and Zongjun interview Ricardo from My Japanese Green Tea. They discuss the mission behind the My Japanese Green Tea blog and podcast, which is to get more people interested in Japanese tea. They also talk about the rise of matcha and the transformation happening in the matcha industry, with more vendors offering single origin and single cultivar matcha. https://www.myjapanesegreentea.com/

    Interview with Founder of Yunomi, Ian Chun

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 8, 2024 52:58


    Ryan and Zongjun talk to Ian Chun from Yunomi.life to discuss his journey in the tea industry and the work he does to support Japanese tea farmers. He shares the challenges faced by small-scale farmers and the impact of the global market on the tea industry. The conversation also touches on the quality and preferences of matcha, the shift towards ready-made drinks, and the decline of tea culture in Japan.

    What is a Specialty Product?

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2024 44:12


    Ryan and Zongjun discuss the concept of a specialty product. They explore the ambiguity of terms and the variance of answers when it comes to defining specialty products - with no surprises, there is no "right answer." They also discuss the evolution of specialty products and how they have transitioned from niche categories to mainstream products. This episode touches on the role of storytelling, sustainability, and direct communication between farmers and consumers in the specialty product movement.

    Interview with Founder of Johnny Matcha, John O'Connor

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 25, 2024 53:10


    Ryan and Zongjun talk to John O'Connor, founder if Johnny Matcha. We discuss John's experience working in Major League Baseball, his path to founding Johnny Matcha, building direct relationships with Japanese farmers, and his philosophy of "know the source".

    What is Good Matcha (Part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2024 30:06


    Ryan and Zongjun discuss the fact that when a consumer or a business purchases matcha, it's still an unfinished product. Preparation skill and care are the last mile in determining resulting matcha quality.

    Matcha Labeling (Part 3): Classifications and Matcha Quality

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 11, 2024 70:32


    In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun explore how a brand influences the perceived quality of matcha. They also outline key criteria that can be used to evaluate matcha quality based on the information provided on its label.

    What is Good Matcha? (Part 1)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 4, 2024 42:17


    Ryan and Zongjun discuss the very open ended question of "what is high quality matcha?" and the roles of subjective preferences, expert consensus, how quality standards have changed in different industries, and how important consistency is in creating a high quality product.

    Matcha Labeling (Part 2): Mistruths in Labeling

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 27, 2024 42:57


    How can you trust what's a label? In this episode Ryan and Zongjun attempt to unpack how objective truths are labeled in matcha, gray areas in matcha labeling, and the use of subjective claims that can adorn matcha labels.

    Interview with Founder of Ooika, Marc Alexandre

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2024 50:37


    On this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun interview Marc from Ooika. We discuss sourcing tencha in Japan, milling matcha in the US, and the new wave of single origin and single cultivar matcha companies. Check out Ooika: https://ooika.co/ For more products and content from Sanko check out: www.sankomatcha.com

    Matcha Labeling (Part 1): What is Matcha?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 13, 2024 36:34


    Matcha labeling is confusing, perhaps more confusing than any other specialty product. Pick any two random matcha powders from most Japanese or western vendors and it will be very difficult to differentiate them. They'll use vague language, poetic names, and unclearly specified product details. In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun deep dive into a multi-part series discussion about matcha labeling.

    Interview with Water Chemistry Enthusiast, Arby Avanesian

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 7, 2024 60:31


    A technical deep dive into water chemistry and how it forms the foundation of tea flavor and flavor extraction with Founder of Empirical Water, Arby Avanesian. If you're interested in learning more about water chemistry optimization for tea, check out Empirical Water: https://empiricalwater.com/

    The Future of Matcha - Opinion

    Play Episode Listen Later May 29, 2024 33:53


    The future of matcha is specialty. Matcha isn't matcha isn't matcha—there will be a future where consumers from Dubai to Paris and from Bangkok to LA will have acquired preferences for Uji vs. Yame matcha, or Asahi vs. Yabukita cultivar, or fresh vs. preground matcha. As the mystery and mastery of producing matcha becomes better understood by mainstream non-Japanese markets, demand for specialty products will follow.

    Product Development at Sanko

    Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2024 33:04


    Ryan and Zongjun discuss designing and manufacturing, Obsidian, the one-dimensional matcha whisking bowl, as well as other products on their roadmap.

    Interview with Matcha Product Developer, Pat Penny

    Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2024 45:08


    Hosts Ryan and Zongjun interview matcha product developer and food scientist, Patrick Penny. The scope of this wide-ranging interview covers matcha as a specialty product, the perception of matcha by Japanese consumers, and the importance of freshness.

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