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Podcast about all things to do with livestock showing, past and present, including interviews, discussions and general chitchat.

Andy Frazier


    • Apr 25, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • every other week NEW EPISODES
    • 43m AVG DURATION
    • 203 EPISODES


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    198 - People in Livestock - Steve and Sara Gibbons

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 25, 2025 57:36


    A couple of old friends of mine, Steve and Sara Gibbons have gone on to be some of the most successful sheep breeders in UK. With a string of Fatstock show and regular top prices in Beltex, Blue Texel and its other hyrbids, we have a fun chat about modern breeding and good old times with this popular couple.  

    197 - Special Episode - A note from history

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 18, 2025 13:35


    As a lead up to the World Angus Forum next month, this episode reveals a document of a transcript from the speaker at the New Zealand Forum, over 50 years ago, from the great Bob Adam of Newhouse. Some invaluable words of wisdom in here that are as applicable now to every livestock breeder of whatever breed or species as they were back then. 

    196 - People in Livestock - PJ Budler

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2025 66:41


    One of the world's most prolific cattle judges, PJ Budler talks through the finer points of choosing bulls to buy, casting his wisdom over a number of sometimes controversial points. With snippets like ‘the width of the muzzle is exactly the same as the width between the pin-bones' this is a must listen to anyone with an interest in breeding livestock. In nearly 200 episodes of Toplines and Tales, this has to be one of the most fascinating, driving home the realization that, no matter how experienced we are, we are all still learning!

    195 - People in Livestock - Bill Bruce

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 21, 2025 38:00


    My absolute privilege this week to speak to Bill Bruce, not only one of the top farmers in Scotland but a highly successful cattle breeder whose name is synonymous with firstly Shorthorns and latterly Charolais. Bill speaks of his early ventures into Suffolk sheep, where he excelled, then a dabble with Angus before settling on the Shorthorn breed which at the time was desperately in need of performance improvement. His later move into Charolais cattle was also fruitful where he soon broke the record at 33,000. He also touches on Bruce Farms arable business, which is one of the largest in Scotland.

    194 - People in Livestock - Andy & Steph Ryder

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2025 47:30


    Well known couple, Andy and  Steph Ryder now run a major business in the pedigree livestock sector in UK. This week they open up on their journey of how they got there, their home farming life and just what Pedigree Livestock Services provides to the industry.  

    193 - People in Livestock - Steven McLean

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2025 39:50


    An interesting and informative chat with Steve McLean, head of agriculture for high-end supermarket chain, Marks and Spencers. Steve chats about his previous job as CEO of the Texel sheep society, as well as the work and ethos around M&S procurement and marketing, and their involvement with backing the UK farming community.

    192 - People in Livestock - Daf Griffiths

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 6, 2025 40:26


    Limousin cattle breeder Daf Griffiths sold his family farm in West Wales and upped sticks to move to a farm nearly four times the size in Central France. He talks to us of the great weather, in mid-January, when we are enduring a massive storm, when his cows and calves are already turned out! We discuss the differences, not just in his enviable lifestyle but the type of cattle and the way the French Government looks after their farmers who provide their food.

    191 - Special Episode - Live from National Western Stock Show

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 24, 2025 47:01


    A unique podcast, coming to you live from Denver, Colorado, USA. This episode I chat on a combined live podcast with Heath and Brock from Angus One Promotions, about what they do, including an insight into the Bonsmara theory, Heath's visit to Wye Plantation and the relevance of pedigrees. We also go through the highlights of the National Western stock Show, as well as the tables turned as they interview me!  

    190 - People in Livestock - Colin Davidson

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 10, 2025 40:07


    Great to chat to Angus breeder Colin Davidson from Skaill on the Orkney Islands. Not many people can state that they have been instrumental in changing a breed once, but this week's guest is well into his second go. We chat through the 50-year history of the herd and the pioneering spirit that Colin has invested in it in this thought provoking interview, which also includes some interesting views on the future of methane reduction.

    189 - A Christmas message from Toplines and Tales

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 24, 2024 3:34


    With such a busy year almost past, this week I reminisce about the year that was with a Christmas message to all our listeners. 

    188 - People in Livestock - Cathal O'Meara

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2024 39:26


    One of Ireland's hottest talents in the cattle show ring, Cathal talks about his influences and experience not just at the halter but also behind the scenes. Hailing from near Limerick, his skills have been in demand not just in Ireland but around UK and also Europe. 

    187 - People in Livestock - Andrew Bishop

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 29, 2024 45:14


    An interesting chat with Andrew Bishop from Gloucestershire who would have been the top man to beat in the carcass lamb competitions throughout UK for two or three decades. Although winding his workload down now, there are some great snippets of wisdom for everyone in this podcast. And a bit of live racing from son Charlie in the background!

    186 - People in Livestock - Ben and Wendy Mayne - Texas Angus

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 15, 2024 47:27


    From a small Scottish based herd started 90 years ago, to selling the record price Angus bull, Texas Thunderstruck for $360,000, (£160,000) the Australian Texas Angus herd have become a dominant force of breeding throughout the world. Ben and Wendy Mayne talk us through the expansion of the herd to nearly 1000 pedigree cows, selling close to 400 bulls per year and how sustainability and minimum inputs have advanced their breeding system. We also hear a brief preview of the World Angus forum to be held in Australia next year.

    185 - People in Livestock - Dave Murray

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 1, 2024 46:54


    Dave Murray is well known in pedigree cattle circles, both as a breeder and judge. He talks us through his young years in the Angus breed and the changes that occurred including bringing in a measuring stick to try and improve them! Through a lifetime with both Angus and Charolais cattle we relive a bit of history, including him being in charge of the conception of the first Charolais to win Smithfield show.

    184 - Special Podcast - Live from Irish Aberdeen Angus Extravaganza

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2024 50:12


    A special podcast live from the Irish Aberdeen Angus Extravaganza in Tipperary, with some great chat with many breeders and other highly interesting characters over a two day spectacular weekend. Thanks to Shane Murphy and the society for asking me over to record the event. 

    183 - People in Livestock - Jimmy Laing

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2024 37:20


    A man that needs no introduction, Jimmy has been involved in pedigree beef cattle  man and boy. Hailing from Ross-shire in Scotland, we hear of the herds and cattle he has worked with, including a few great stories, as well as his short venture into the oil business. in this entertaining episode. 

    182 - Irish Aberdeen Angus Special - 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 22, 2024 19:30


    The Irish Aberdeen Angus Extravaganza will be held at Thurles, Tipperary on weekend 5th and 6th October. In the first of a series, this week I speak to secretary Shane Murphy about what to expect in this exceptional event. 

    181 - Special Episode - Blue Tongue Virus

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2024 43:32


    There is a huge lack of clarity around the Blue Tongue Virus and its impact, spread symptoms and longer term risks on the UK livestock industry. I have a long chat with Phil Stocker, CEO of the National sheep association who is generally respected as an expert in the disease. Using questions raised on social media as well as my own inquisitiveness, Phil dispels some myths as well as providing some essential clarification on the situation.

    179 - People in Livestock - Willie McLaren

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2024 44:22


    Now in its 100th year, Willie McLaren has evolved the Netherton Angus herd to move in a slightly different direction to many of the other breeders in UK. A renown cattle judge, Willie has instigated a change towards easier fleshed and maybe smaller cattle and he now holds a successful annual female sale also utilizing online bidding, as well as supplying top genetics around the world. We also talk about his association with the Wagyu breed and how that system works, with Highland Wagyu now supplying many of UK's restaurants with prized quality fullblood Wagyu beef which is in such high demand.  

    178 - Special episode - Tom Burke

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2024 29:51


    Tom Burke is one of the giants of the World's cattle industry. Still actively conducting Angus Cattle sales throughout USA into his 80s, Tom's knowledge of the cattle industry, and particularly Angus, knows no equal. Tom chats to me about his co-authorship of the book The History of Aberdeen Angus in US, UK and Worldwide where his input has been invaluable in creating this magnificent volume that will stand as a reference point for a whole host of livestock subjects for many generations.

    178 - People in Livestock - Vince Corbett

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 23, 2024 42:31


    Vince Corbett, along with his family, from the Welsh borders has slowly risen to the top of the tree in the Charolais cattle world, being the herd to beat in the show ring. Vince chats about their easy-care sheep, his venture into Limousin cattle as well as the mechanics of his top Charolais herd. We also get into a discussion about the myostatin gene, among other things.

    177 - People in Livestock - Steve Smith

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 9, 2024 69:00


    From someone who didn't start with a farming background, Steve Smith's rise to Welsh Sheep farmer of the year, now running over 1100 acres, has been a fascinating story. Best known for his Pen Parc Texel flock, an in-demand judge, Steve has had to make his farm pay with contributions from diversification into a number of areas, including falconry, photography and hydro-electricity as well as his large sheep enterprise.

    176 - Special Episode - John Dawes and Dr Jim Gibb

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2024 34:54


    A bonus episode this week, with two giants in the US livestock industry, John Dawes and Dr Jim Gibb. John Dawes a contemporary and colleague of Herman Purdy who collaborated on an earlier successful volume called Breeds of Cattle gives an overview of his position in the US cattle world. This is followed by Dr Jim Gibb, a world leading expert in cattle genomics in USA who gives a brief history of how genomics were developed into what we have today. Both having reviewed our book, The History of Aberdeen-Angus cattle in US, UK and Around the World, they give us their honest opinion of what the book means in a modern society. They also discuss our new book, The History of Aberdeen Angus in US, UK and Worldwide, as both have been early reviewers of it. 

    175 - People in Livestock - Ken Howie

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 26, 2024 36:17


    As well as being a top Angus cattle breeder, Ken Howie, from Cairnton, Aberdeenshire has converted his farm into the ultimate in diversification. His Deesisde Activity park offers a whole range of outdoor pursuits including karting, fishing, shooting and even axe throwing. We chat about his business in beautiful Royal Deeside, as well as his Cairnton Angus herd. 

    174 - People in livestock - Megan Friel

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 12, 2024 40:18


    Megan Friel is a top Angus breeder in New Zealand, so we discuss her earlier years a major sheep farmer, her and her husband's modern Mt Mable commercial bull stud, as well her current association with the New Zealand Angus association. Dr Bob Hough joins in as we compare the different systems and type of cattle between NZ, US and UK, discovering some surprising similarities with Scotland.  

    173 - People in Livestock - Tom Hopkinson

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 5, 2024 35:58


    The name Lindertis has been etched in history through the world-famous Angus bull Lindertis Evulse which sold for a record price in 1963. I speak to Tom Hopkinson, a grandson of Sir Torquil Munro and a pedigree Angus breeder in his own right, about some of those halcyon days. We discuss his even more famous Great Grand Father, Sir Hugh Munro who named all the mountains in Scotland. Tom also talks of their other business interests as well as their own top Angus herd and an upcoming dispersal sale.  

    172 - Special Announcement of a wonderful new book on the history of Aberdeen-Angus cattle

    Play Episode Listen Later May 31, 2024 33:46


    I may have been quiet on the podcast front for a while as I have been very busy writing. We can now announce that we have just competed a 2 and half year project writing the History of Aberdeen-Angus in the US, UK and worldwide. In this episode, Dr Bob Hough and I discuss what you can expect in this coffee-table styled book, as well as how it came together and the challenges this 540 page tome presented. You can find more about it at www.angushistorybook.com 

    4 - Toplines and Tales Livestock Quiz - Quiz number 4

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 12, 2024 28:37


    Welcome to our fourth Toplines and Tales Podquiz. 4 more rounds this week, which include sports people in livestock, a new special livestock Music round, plus a final round on the history of livestock. So go on, pitch in with your livestock knowledge, just for fun. Answers at the end. #quiz #quizzing #sheepquiz #cattlequiz 

    171 - Characters in Livestock - Jim McMillan snr

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2024 35:07


    Another great guest in this series about characters in the livestock scene, again a man who needs no introduction, top stockman Jim McMillan. Having just had his 90th birthday, Jim tells of his start with showing fatstock and his great successes at Smithfield, as well as his days with Seawell charolais and the unrivaled show cow, Kilkenny Celia. We also hear about his highly successful stint at Moston Muir with Angus and Galloways.  Photo courtesy TSF

    2 - Toplines and Tales Livestock Quiz - Quiz number 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2024 18:33


    Welcome to our second Toplines and Tales Podquiz. Only 4 rounds this week and a much more international flavour to suit some of our listeners around the world So go on, pitch in with your livestock knowledge, just for fun. Answers at the end. #quiz #quizzing #sheepquiz #cattlequiz 

    3 - Toplines and Tales Livestock Quiz - Quiz number 3

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2024 21:20 Transcription Available


    Embark on an enlightening journey through the diverse world of livestock with the "Top Lines and Tales Livestock Quiz". This intriguing trivia session will challenge your knowledge on a variety of subjects related to sheep, cattle breeds, sale locations, diseases, and much more! Decode the language of sheep, identify the origins of different breeds, and feed your curiosity with astounding facts about the sheer number of sheep in Australia and unravel the mysteries behind the infamous foot rot disease. Dive into the broad diversity of livestock across geographical boundaries and crack industry-specific acronyms as you enjoy these enthralling episodes. Extend your understanding with questions about cattle breeds, their origins, and their characteristics. Take a closer look at breeds such as the stabiliser, the Dexter, and many more. Conclude this farmyard voyage by shedding light on the myostatin gene and the origins of the Pinsgauer cattle. With this quiz, you won't just be testing your knowledge, but immersing yourself into an educational and intriguing exploration of the heart of the livestock world. Prepare for the ultimate challenge and brace yourself for a bountiful discovery. Tune in to "Toplines and Tales Livestock Quiz" now! This was written by a robot! 

    170 - Characters in Livestock - John Cameron

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2024 40:07


    John Cameron CBE is a man that needs no introduction. From being Scotland's largest sheep farmer, running 800 suckler cows, a beef cattle contract with Waitrose and a herd of pedigree Hereford cattle, we chat live at his farm in Fife about his incredible career in agriculture. We also have a fun a great chat about his other passion, trains, hearing some superb stories from the great man in this unmissable episode!  

    169 - Characters in Livestock - Neil Wattie

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 11, 2024 36:18


    Neil Wattie from Aberdeenshire runs one of the top herds of Aberdeen-Angus in Britain. Talking us through the beginnings and the initial families in his Tonley herd, it is not hard to see why he and his son Mark are now consistently at the forefront of the breed in UK. We also hear about his ‘day job' as head of a large agricultural machinery dealership and a few ventures into other breeds but is his passion for the Angus characteristics that definitely shine through in this informative chat.

    1 - Toplines and Tales Livestock Quiz - Quiz number 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2024 25:32 Transcription Available


    Try your luck on the Toplines and Tales Livestock Quiz, hosted by Andy Frazier. Our very first quiz this week has 5 rounds, although one of those is visual. This quiz is mainly UK and Ireland based questions although future quizzes will include questions from the rest of the world. Round 3, Logos round can be found here https://andyfrazier.wixsite.com/ttquiz

    168 - Characters in Livestock - Sally Crowe

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 23, 2024 53:40 Transcription Available


    Welcome to an engaging episode of 'Toplines and Tails' featuring Sally Crowe, a renowned and inspiring crofter from Caithness renowned for her efforts in wool wrapping and diversification in agriculture. Sally, a single mother inheriting a 25-acre croft, is a shining example of women empowerment in the field of agriculture. Follow along with her intriguing journey which spans from her cattle and sheep rearing, to remote working, global travels, wool handling show participation, and striving in the face of debilitating illness. With resilience unmatched, Sally, even after falling victim to Q fever, continued with the extensive farming tasks, working uphill towards recovery. In this episode, you learn how adversity fostered creativity and brought about sustainable farming practices. Delve into the insights of an energetic, single parent balancing work and family while also care-taking elderly parents. Gain a unique perspective on managing responsibilities while maintaining optimism. Learn about the intriguing parts of farm life, including rotational grazing, legislating regenerative agriculture, and being part of a fascinating Irish cow breed society. Based far north of Inverness, Sally successfully navigates these daily chores with a sense of humour and determination. Turn up the volume as we explore Sally's progressive journey, who emerged successful despite odds. Starting from a humble, small-scale farmer, she is now leveraging social media to broaden her farming business while establishing direct consumer connections. This episode also delves into the intricate relationship between environment-friendly farming practices, carbon audits, and sustainability. Dive into discussions as Sally discusses her success using social platforms extending from Facebook to TikTok. Disproving misconceptions about digital technology among farming communities, Sally's use of social platforms is indeed a journey not to be missed. In the last part of the episode, Sally shares her insights on the quintessence of farming, discussing financial aspects, environmental issues, crucial farm data and emergency planning from her wealth of experience. Revealing how emergency planners strengthen families and the farming community, she also touches upon challenges and learnings from her journey. Tune into this riveting dialogue to get an exceptional perspective into farming and the potential for innovative and worthwhile business opportunities within the industry, offered by the inspiring Sally Crowe. BTW, an AI machine wrote this text! Pretty good eh?

    167 - Characters in Livestock - Esmor Evans

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 16, 2024 38:10


    Often referred to as the Welsh Wizard, Esmor Evans needs no introduction, being one of the nations leading cattle breeders for a number of decades. As well as the successes of his top herd of Maerdy Charolais cattle, we chat about his other herds/flocks along with his business as a full-time vet in this highly interesting episode.

    166 - Characters in Livestock - Wallace Currie

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 9, 2024 51:01


    A great chat with communicator and social influencer Wallace Currie from Dumfries, originally from Arran. This young man is such a great orator it's no wonder he has been assigned the lead of communications for Scotland Young Farmers, a lecturer in farm diversification, and a current Nuffield scholar as well as running a successful podcast.

    165 - Characters in Livestock - John Henning

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 26, 2024 57:44


    This episode gets fascinating chat with angus breeder John Henning from Northern Ireland.  As well as running the top Drumcorn herd with his wife, former banker John has a busy life throughout the agricultural industry with directorships and trustee roles in some highly prestigious organizations and has been awarded an OBE for his services to agriculture.

    164 - Toplines and Tales in Argentina - pt 2 - Wine

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 19, 2024 62:27


    The second half of our trip to Argentina took us to Mendoza in the west where we stayed in a vineyard and visited a few more. I hope this has captured some of the culture of the vines, wines and country, as well as a chat with some of our tour guests, and even a sing-song. 

    163 - Toplines and Tales in Argentina - pt 1 - Beef

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 17, 2024 42:33


    A chance of a lifetime to accompany a trip of great folks to Argentina to look at some cows. The first of two special episodes, where I did my best to explain the trip as well as capturing snippets of conversations with some of the many huge farms that we visited. 

    162 - Christmas Special - New Year Kist Party - Part3

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 29, 2023 53:10


    Still at our Christmas Party, which just kept getting better. This time someone posed the question of the best beast that maybe should have won Smithfield but didn't which set the minds of my highly knowable guests to work. As the drink flowed, Stuart Hunter recalled his last Smithfield kist party drinking out of a Pringles tube, Donald discussed the excessive size of modern show winners with some solid opinions added from some wise men, before eventually persuading Ian Anderson to sing us a ditty! This is an absolutely priceless listen!

    161 - Christmas Special - Smithfield Kist Party - Part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 24, 2023 65:41


    In part 2 of our Christmas party, we reminisce about some of the nights ‘downtown' in London before my fellow cattle steward, Julian, and I have more serious chat about the challenges of running the show. Then follows some stories about the frequent visits of the Royal family, and a few rather hilarious tales around that.

    160 - Christmas Special - Smithfield Kist Party - Part 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 22, 2023 63:42


    This week we hosted an online Christmas kist party for our listeners to celebrate 19 years since we were all last at Royal Smithfield Show together. Taking about legends in the fatstock world, to legends in the fatstock world, we start with a roll of honour for all those champion winners over 50+ years which morphs into more general chitchat and tales from the event with over 40 distinguished guests. As the party went on until 2am, this is the first hour, with more shenanigans and craic to follow as the drink flowed!

    159 - Characters in Livestock - Kenny Sutherland

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 15, 2023 31:59


    A familiar character about the show scene, Kenny Sutherland and his family run one of the largest livestock operations in the North of Scotland, with 2000 ewes and 400 suckler cows. A past champion winner at Smithfield and an involvement in the Highland show, Kenny discusses their more recent success with the Longhorn breed as a base for their cows, as well as Cheviots, Texels and Suffolk sires in the sheep. They have also diversified into tourism at Sibmister Mains in Caithness.

    158 - The Nuffield Farming Scholarship

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 8, 2023 30:27


    Started by Lord Nuffield in 1947, the Nuffield Farming Scholarship has been paramount to the success of many candidates who have applied and reaped the rewards. Now with over 1000 scholars being awarded I speak to Nuffield's Charlotte Mersen about the fascinating history of the Lord, the Award, and its current operations in UK and around the world.    

    157 - Media Special - Marteye

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 1, 2023 51:40


    Marteye has been an incredible success story since the start of Covid lockdown, a system now used by over 100 livestock markets across Ireland and UK to stream online sales and facilitate bidding. I speak with one of its founders, Jamie Nolan, about their journey and what the company now offers 2.5 million farmers who now tune into to sales, bringing local and national marts into their own homes.

    156 - Characters in Livestock - Olivier Rambert

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 24, 2023 34:35


    Highly interesting chat with Frenchman Olivier Rambert, the manager of Interlim, the commercial arm of the Limousin cattle society in France, based at the Pole du Lanaud station. Holding 4 bull sales per year they market upwards of 500 bulls selected from the best in the country. With many going for export, the bulls have undergone strict tests, not just for weight and muscle but also genomics and temperament. We also hear the differences in beef consummation between France and its neighbouring countries, particularly around eating older animals  

    155 - Characters in Livestock - Robert Groom

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2023 44:12


    Robert Groom is rather unusual guest, being an Englishman in New York! Having dispersed his Angus herd in Scotland he has been breeding top Angus in USA for 25 years and is a regular exhibitor on the American show circuit. A great ambassador for the breed, he also reveals that he is behind the set-up of a nucleus herd of American type Angus back in Scotland.   

    154 - Special episode - Live from Young Handlers competition

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2023 10:51


    A quite unusual special short episode live from the Young Handlers section of the Stars of the Future calf show at Stirling. This episode is backed up with photos and short video on our Toplines and Tales Facebook page.

    153 - Characters in Livestock - Arwel Owen

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 3, 2023 58:36


    Welshman Arwel Owen is not only a top Charolais cattle breeder and judge, but also a man who sees, assesses and buys a lot of bulls through his day job as Beef Supply Chain Manager for Genus, one of the world's leading semen supply companies. This week we get a fascinating insight into the changing state of the industry both at home and worldwide as beef-from-dairy makes rapid inroads, while Arwel furnishes us with some excellent words of wisdom gained by 40 years in the business.

    152 - Characters in Livestock - Jason Wareham

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 27, 2023 35:10


    A man who has been on the UK cattle showing scene for a long while, large as life Jason Wareham chats about the family farm shop business, his and his wife Sarah's successful journey with Galloway cattle and their herd of British Blues. Add in some pedigree sheep, an abattoir, a haulage business, as well as a busy judging schedule and you can understand why it took me  while to track Jason down to speak to me on Toplines and Tales!

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