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In March, the volunteer moderators of the Change My View subreddit learned that researchers at the University of Zurich had been covertly conducting an experiment on their community members. By injecting AI-generated comments and posts into conversations, the researchers had wanted to measure the persuasiveness of AI. There was one big problem: They didn't tell community members that they were being experimented on. They didn't tell the community moderators. They didn't tell Reddit's corporate team. Only when they were getting ready to publish, did they disclose their actions. It then became clear that beyond the lack of consent, they had engaged in other questionable behavior: Their AI-written contributions had spanned multiple accounts, pretending to be a rape victim, a trauma counselor focusing on abuse, a Black man opposed to Black Lives Matter, and more. Community response was swift: Overwhelmingly, members were unhappy. The moderators insisted the research not be published. Reddit threatened legal action. Initially, the researchers were defiant but eventually, they apologized and pledged not to publish the research. Change My View volunteer moderator Logan MacGregor joins the show to discuss what went on behind the scenes, plus: The danger of publishing the research Reaction to the apology How AI is going to challenge the idea of trusting an online community Big Quotes Blame the manipulators, not the members and moderators (1:49): “Manipulation in online communities has existed forever. What's happening with [AI is] the believability, the speed at which people can do it. … The fault always rests with the person who chooses to manipulate the community. It's easy to fool people … and to do something that undermines the trust of something. It's harder to build trust.” -Patrick O'Keefe Why a promise not to publish was important (13:21): “From my perspective, I think the things that we wanted the most [from the researchers were] an apology and a promise not to publish. The second was really important because we were concerned that if this was published in a peer-review journal … if it was elevated to a prominent journal, that our community, which is supposed to be a protected human space, would now become just another sandbox for researchers. We felt very strongly that it should not be published. … Unfortunately, it didn't land well.” -Logan MacGregor When a community leader stands for their community, they often stand for all communities (14:52): “When one community person – a volunteer, a host, a person in this line of work – stands up for their community, they stand up for all communities.” -Patrick O'Keefe Just because bad comments exist online doesn't mean new ones won't cause harm (20:10): “So much of what [the researchers] did to try to prevent harm was to say ‘comments like this happen all the time online, we don't think that it's going to cause individual trauma.' We kind of dispute that because some of the comments are [you] pretending to be a trauma counselor and maybe that could actually cause some harm. … I don't think they thought enough about community impact until after the community screamed ‘ouch.'” -Logan MacGregor You can't just blame AI for this (22:52): “One thing that's really special about Change My View is that it's a human space; it's a decidedly human space. … The University of Zurich is a decidedly human space. What I think is so insidious about AI is it's caused people to behave in ways that I don't know we would have, without the stupid thinking machines. Because it's a toxic influence. Unlike the bots that are invading us daily, that we're constantly shutting down. … “That hurts a little bit more than just dealing with bots, because this wasn't just bots. These are people interacting with other people, and there was a human element there. The researchers are real people. I'm a real person. This happened between real people, and it wasn't just AI.” -Logan MacGregor How did the community respond when the experiment was disclosed? (24:47): “I would say there was this collective outrage [from the community]. … It was a unique and singular violation of the ethos of the sub, and it was especially palpable because there are a lot of researchers and research-affiliated people that are fond of the sub. It seemed like: We protect national parks, and we have national monuments – these protected spaces – and it almost felt on that level. Of all the places to do this, why Change My View?” -Logan MacGregor Researchers can help online communities in this moment, but not if they can't be trusted (34:13): “One of the things that I worry about when it comes to AI is it's probably going to chip away … at this idea of having protected online spaces, because if in-person conversations are the only way that you can validate that you're not talking to a robot, then this thing that we created called the internet, it's going to cease to have value at all. “That's the fear, and I have hope that we're going to be able to figure out a way to get past that challenge, but I'm scratching my head as to how we would do that. The true tragedy in this whole piece is that the very people that I think are best equipped to help us navigate that space are now distrusted because of this experiment. We need to heal that, and I don't know how that's going to happen.” -Logan MacGregor About Logan MacGregor Logan MacGregor is a member of the volunteer mod team on r/changemyview. Drawing from a unique blend of experience including social work, administration, program management, project management (including research-based projects), policy, strategic development, and emergency management, Logan is a credentialed Type 3 Planning Section Chief that is planning to complete the Master's program at the Center for Homeland Defense and Security, with a thesis likely focusing on information campaigns. Related Links Change My View subreddit, where Logan is a volunteer moderator Unauthorized Experiment on CMV Involving AI-generated Comments, the announcement made by the moderators revealing the existence of the experiment to the community Reddit slams ‘unethical experiment' that deployed secret AI bots in forum by Vivian Ho for the Washington Post CMV AI Experiment Update – Apology Received from Researchers, an update posted by the moderators after researchers apologized Don't Create Fake Accounts on Your Community and Don't Lie to Your Members by Patrick, discussing how Steve Huffman taught students to create fake accounts in their online communities How MetaFilter's Founder (Successfully) Stepped Away From the Community After 16 Years, the Community Signal episode with the story of Scott Adams impersonating a Scott Adams fan ‘Unethical' AI research on Reddit under fire by Cathleen O'Grady for Science Transcript View transcript our website Your Thoughts If you have any thoughts on this episode that you'd like to share, please leave me a comment or send me an email. Thank you for listening.
ChatGPT bekommt ein unheimliches Persönlichkeitsupdate und ein ethisch zweifelhaftes KI-Experiment täuscht eine ganze Internet-Community: Bessere KI-Modelle bedeuten auch eine höhere Manipulationsgefahr. Was tun wir dagegen - und wie stellen wir sicher, dass unsere Gedanken nach wie vor die eigenen bleiben? Über die Hosts: Gregor Schmalzried ist freier Tech-Journalist, Speaker und Berater, u.a. beim Bayerischen Rundfunk. Fritz Espenlaub ist freier Journalist und Ökonom. Er arbeitet unter anderem für den Bayerischen Rundfunk und das Tech-Magazin 1E9. In dieser Folge: 0:00 ChatGPTs großes Einschmeichel-Problem 15:10 Kontroverses Reddit-Experiment 19:10 Macht KI uns manipulierbar? 24:00 Was tun wir dagegen? 30:00 Was haben wir mit KI gemacht? Links: Münchner Rundfunkorchester 2024/25: "Multiverse Symphony - Münchner Rundfunkorchester meets AI" https://www.br-ticket.de/events/mro-24-25-multiverse-symphonie-05-06-2025-funkhaus/ Podcast-Tipp: Too Many Tabs https://www.ndr.de/podcast/podcast5522.html ChatGPT-Update sorgt für Chaos - das steckt dahinter https://www.br.de/nachrichten/netzwelt/neues-chatgpt-update-sorgt-fuer-chaos-was-steckt-dahinter,Ujf6Nzk OpenAI-Statement: Expanding on what we missed with sycophancy https://openai.com/index/expanding-on-sycophancy/ Experiment im Reddit-Forum "Change My View” https://old.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1k8b2hj/meta_unauthorized_experiment_on_cmv_involving/ https://the-decoder.de/umstrittenes-ki-manipulationsexperiment-der-universitaet-zuerich-auf-reddit-endet-ohne-paper/ ChatGPT hilft Shoppen - und könnte eine ganze Branche bedrohen https://www.br.de/nachrichten/netzwelt/chatgpt-hilft-shoppen-und-koennte-eine-ganze-branche-bedrohen,UjqTFQv Gregors Suno-Songs https://suno.com/s/zqUc0nnrkk8KljO9 (Demo Tape Version) https://suno.com/s/x7stkQFyjjSuZKlG (House Version) https://suno.com/s/74vEd3IG95zE3NVX (Hyperpop Version) https://suno.com/s/3lFj6Uhpb8xRgiV4 (Musical Version) Redaktion und Mitarbeit: David Beck, Cristina Cletiu, Chris Eckardt, Fritz Espenlaub, Elisa Harlan, Franziska Hübl, Marie Kilg, Mark Kleber, Gudrun Riedl, Christian Schiffer, Gregor Schmalzried Kontakt: Wir freuen uns über Fragen und Kommentare an kipodcast@br.de. Unterstützt uns: Wenn euch dieser Podcast gefällt, freuen wir uns über eine Bewertung auf eurer liebsten Podcast-Plattform. Abonniert den KI-Podcast in der ARD Audiothek oder wo immer ihr eure Podcasts hört, um keine Episode zu verpassen. Und empfehlt uns gerne weiter!
So I did it, I complete 6 months of no alcohol & I can honestly say it was one of the most life changing things I've ever done. I know, a big statement to make... However, the lessons the past 6 months being sober have taught me are ones that I will carry with me forever. And in todays podcast I'm going to discuss why. 00:00 Intro 01:14 Why I Did It 05:30 Have An End Goal 06:32 Benefit #1 (Didn't Get Ill) 07:59 Benefit #2 (Productive Weekends) 09:43 Benefit #3 (New Hobbies/Happiness) 14:34 Benefit #4 (Improved Fitness) 15:37 Benefit #5 (Momentum) 16:06 My First Drink After 6 Months 19:14 Have Much Have I Drank Since? 20:45 How Will I Manage Alcohol In Future? 21:19 My View On Alcohol 23:04 Alcohol & Your Friend Group 25:35 Summary Personal Training Enquires - https://brendanpearsonfitness.typeform.com/to/K59mulCm Online Coaching Enquires - https://brendanpearsonfitness.typeform.com/to/vCI5Gers Get In Touch Through: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/brendanpearsonfitness/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/brendanpearsonfitness/ YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzY8DQ3v5ZDsPbo5KszNX7w LinkedIn - https://uk.linkedin.com/in/brendan-pearson-7025861a8 Email - brendanpearsonfitness@outlook.com Look Good, Feel Good & Live More.
This week's guest on the podcast is singer/songwriter John Boyle. Songs: 1. Change My View 2. In the City Voices of Indy Vol. 1 Spotify playlist - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0mhnpQB48h7qQiFDA1T0NW Voices of Indy Vol. 2 Spotify playlist - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1Io9XF2j1Yumwl7GFxfkQY
A Change Is A Brewing...More Views on Craft Brews presents Hopposites Attract. A Brand new podcast series that brings together 2 craft beer drinkers from very oppoites ends of the spectrum. Episode 001 brings to you a brand new format and lots of new beers. Throughout the show you can expect:- "What's Hoppening?" A round up on all current craft beer news around the scene including news from Pomona Island, Northern Monk & Beer Ink.- Beer Reviews on Azvex Brewing Co, Floc Brewing Co, BlackJack Brewery and more. - "Change My View" which is a new segment. This week Toby brings his controvserial opinion to the table.We would love to hear your thoughts on the new format and series. Feel free to drop us a message on social media on IG @acraftbrewwithaview and Twitter @MoreCraftViews. Please drop us a review on Spotify & Apple Podcasts. You can also show your support by joining us on Patreon. Links below! https://linktr.ee/moreviewsoncraftbrewsStay Hoppy.
Ciera and Megan finally venture onto another subreddit! Although to be fair its pretty similar to the unpopular opinions one. People post their viewpoint and prompt others to change their mind, so Megan and Ciera try their hand at offering another perspective! Keep the conversation going on our Instagram @accordingtwo. Merch: https://teespring.com/stores/according-two-merch Follow us on Instagram: According Two: @accordingtwo Megan Stitz: @megan_marie32 Ciera Stitz: @ciera_jo --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/according-two/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/according-two/support
It's hard to imagine two subreddits more different than IAmVerySmart & Change My View, & the difference is clear: intellectual arrogance/humility. But what is that, exactly? https://youtu.be/WohsIy61-4k
In today's episode we head back to reddit and tackle the sub reddit r/changemyview For $100 your first month go to talkspace.com and use code approachable. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
It's the return of Change My View! Having recently changed his stance on the death penalty, Theory attempts to convince Sense to switch sides as well. What starts as a normal Change My View however, quickly moves past facts and figures, and becomes the most emotionally intense episode the fellas have recorded to date. Don't miss this one!
Online debate is broken – full of angry shouting and mindless agreement. And that’s even before you get to the trolls, lies, misinformation, and fake news. This week we visit Inverness, in the Highlands of Scotland, to meet a man with a plan to fix this problem. Six years ago, when he was a curious, guitar-playing student, Kal Turnbull started a subreddit – a section of the website Reddit - called Change My View. He encouraged people to post their opinions and invite other users to politely argue against them. It took off, and now has more than 700,000 subscribers. And now Kal wants to take the idea beyond Reddit, with a new website – ChangeAView.com – which just launched. We stroll around a very damp Inverness to find out more about his new business, ask Kal about some of the criticisms that have been levelled at it, and look at how online debate became so unhealthy. Presenters: Jonathan Griffin and Mike Wendling (Photo Caption: Kal Turnbull on the banks of the River Ness / Photo credit: BBC)
This Podcast is all about www/reddit.com/r/changemyview and you can find more about the larger Change My View world, including other podcast platforms we're on, at: www.changemyview.net Original Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/acj6dy/cmv_america_is_the_corrupted_enterprise/ Reco's from OP: (twice in a day!) Manufacturing Consent By Noam Chomsky https://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/0375714499 Rolling Stone Article on Military/Intelligence Budgets https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/secret-government-spending-779959/ PBS on Eisenhower Speech: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/eisenhower-farewell/ Referenced by Michael: Graham Allison article I disparaged on imminent US-China conflict: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/united-states-china-war-thucydides-trap/406756/
Joe kicks off this historic episode by thanking his audience and announcing the details of his "200th episode contest/giveaway!" After the intro, Cameron Josse joins Joe and together they discuss some of the most polarizing topics in the industry. These topics include: Unstable Training; Improving on-field agility; Youth development & sports specialization; "Internet experts"...and Much MORE! For Show Notes & Timestamps visit www.IndustrialStrengthShow.com
Joe kicks off this historic episode by thanking his audience and announcing the details of his "200th episode contest/giveaway!" After the intro, Cameron Josse joins Joe and together they discuss some of the most polarizing topics in the industry. These topics include: Unstable Training; Improving on-field agility; Youth development & sports specialization; "Internet experts"...and Much MORE! For Show Notes & Timestamps visit www.IndustrialStrengthShow.com
This week Sense & Theory invite Vlad Vendeta on to the show to see if he can change their minds about Q. From time codes to sealed indictments the case will be made but will it be enough to convert the fellas to true believers?
We convene this week for another installment of Change My View where the fellas talk about the merits of Isolation vs. Intervention. From Bosnia to Syria they hem and haw about executive power and the will of the people in an all out struggle to change Theory's view.
In the second installment of Change My View the roles are reversed and it's up to Theory to convince Sense of the dangers of artificial intelligence. Will it prove to be humanity's most useful tool or ultimate destruction?
When people argue on the internet, you never expect anyone to actually say "You know what, that's a good point, you've changed my view somewhat." But Change My View, a fast-growing subreddit founded by Kal Turnbull, is an exception to the rule. Julia and Kal discuss the culture of Change My View, what makes it such an oasis for reasonable discussion on the Internet, and what we've learned about what motivates people to change their minds or not.
Sense and Theory put their money where their mouth is this week in a departure from their usual format. Can disagreements be amicable? Can viewpoints evolve? Is Bigfoot real? Find out what the fellas think in the shows first installment of Change My View.
"One begins with a judgment and ends with a judgment, and the purpose of facts and figures is to come in between them is to make the one you end with more accurate." This wise comment came from the grand-dad of Kal Turnbull, the founder of Change My View in the Reddit community. In this interview, Kal shares his discoveries with a community of over 520,000 people willing to engage in civil discourse about views they currently don't buy into. The conversation began with a definition of Fisking (it's not dirty!) and when to consider using it and when not to. Called by Elon Musk as the "most civil place on the web," Kal's community exchanges ideas in a way unlike anywhere else in our world. Kal noted that good conversations on opposing views require (1) Tone that avoids shame and accusation, (2) a general sense of dispassion (although passion is not a bad thing overall), and (3) Data to support the argument. Ultimately, Kal cites Socrates as the great example of engaging someone in a view-changing discussion. Maybe most important of all our discussion topics was the comment: We don't ALWAYS need a view. Chew on that one for a while! Kal is also a musician and, of course, we engaged in chatter about songwriting and performing. All enjoyable for us and we hope you enjoy it, too.
For computer scientist Chenhao Tan and his team, the internet community called Change My View offered something amazing, a ready-made natural experiment that had been running for years. All they had to do was feed it into the programs they had designed to understand the back-and-forth between human beings and then analyze the patterns the emerged. When they did that, they discovered two things: what kind of arguments are most likely to change people’s minds, and what kinds of minds are most likely to be changed. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
For computer scientist Chenhao Tan and his team, the internet community called Change My View offered something amazing, a ready-made natural experiment that had been running for years. All they had to do was feed it into the programs they had designed to understand the back-and-forth between human beings and then analyze the patterns the emerged. When they did that, they discovered two things: what kind of arguments are most likely to change people’s minds, and what kinds of minds are most likely to be changed. In this episode you’ll hear from the co-founder of Reddit, the moderators of Change My View, and the scientists studying how people argue on the internet as we explore what it takes to change people’s perspective and whether the future of our online lives is thicker filter bubbles or the whittling away of bad ideas. SPONSORS • The Great Courses Plus - http://thegreatcoursesplus.com/smart • Squarespace - use the offer code SOSMART at http://squarespace.com SHOW NOTES at http://youarenotsosmart.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.