Trillions

The issuer of an exchange-traded fund has one main goal, and that's to get assets—but being recognized is nice, too. Just like the Oscars, the ETF industry has its own awards show, held by ETF.com every April in New York City. Categories include ETF of the Year, Issuer of the Year, Best New Fixed Income ETF and even a Lifetime Achievement Award. Now that the tenth annual ETF awards ceremony is in the history books, we can tell you that—just like the Academy Awards—there were some notable winners as well as a few surprises.  Om this episode, Joel and Eric look through a number of winners with ETF.com's editor-in-chief Kristin Myers and finance reporter Lucy Brewster. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The music industry took a huge revenue hit when the MP3 came out about twenty years ago but has since found ways to make money. And now there's an ETF for that too.  On this episode of Trillions, we speak with David Schulhof, founder and CEO of the MUSQ Global Music Industry ETF, about the stocks in the ETFs as well as the growth of the music industry which includes songs, platforms, concerts and the Taylor Swift economy. We also discuss his career in the music industry and whether music has gotten better or worse.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After 17 years, the Bank of Japan finally scrapped the world's last negative interest policy. The central bank also announced it will cease buying exchange-traded funds, an effort originally intended to revitalize the corporate sector and pump cash into the economy. So what becomes of its $475 billion ETF hoard? That's to be determined, but just as Japan is changing course, China's so-called “national team” has begun purchasing a handful of key Chinese ETFs. On this episode, Eric and Joel are joined by Bloomberg Intelligence's Rebecca Sin, a Hong Kong-based ETF analyst and host of the forthcoming podcast Tiger Money. They discuss what might come next for Japan, why China is following a similar playbook and what it all means for investors and the global economy. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Worry? What worries? As the market hits new all-time highs, investors are “comfortably bullish,” according to research by Bloomberg Intelligence. They're also bullish on exchange-traded funds, according to BI's first-ever ETF survey. What if anything could derail this state of optimism? And how is the current enthusiasm different from the meme-stock euphoria and previous all-time highs of 2021? On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber speak with Bloomberg Intelligence ETF analyst Athanasios Psarofagis about his new greed/fear index, which uses several ETF metrics. They also comb through the survey's findings, which show a growing interest in ETFs and active management.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Exchange, the biggest ETF conference of the year just concluded at the Fontainebleau in Miami. Issuers, advisors, service providers and just people who just love ETFs gathered to network and discuss all the latest trends in the industry and market.  On this week's episode, Joel and Eric recap this big annual event and listen to clips from a dozen interviews that Eric took while he was at the conference. Topics include the bitcoin boom, active's increasing presence, how ETF share classes are next big thing, passive fears and the indie spirit of thematic ETF issuers.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Launching an exchange-traded fund is easy. Finding success is a different story entirely. About a quarter of all ETFs that have been launched have ended up having to liquidate. These stories can sometimes be forgotten given how much the successful ones are celebrated—but they can also provide a lesson about the marketplace and the importance of timing.  On this episode of Trillions, Joel Weber and Eric Balchunas speak with Jack Forehand and Justin Carbonneau, respectively the president and vice president of of Validea. They launched the value-focused Validea Market Legends ETF (VALX) back in 2014, right around the same time Cathie Wood launched ARKK. But they ended up closing it in 2020 due to a lack of assets. We speak to them about their journey, why timing is so important and the state of value investing today. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The launch of the first-ever spot Bitcoin exchange-traded funds has dominated the ETF conversation over the last few months. Issuers are jockeying for position in what's fast-becoming a successful and ultra-competitive category. But who's the target market for these products? What do advisers think of them? And how are they talking to their clients about them? On this episode of Trillions, Joel and Eric speak with Douglas Boneparth, founder and president of Bone Fide Wealth. They discuss how he's speaking with clients about Bitcoin, how he views the new ETFs, how much exposure to really consider and what they might displace in a portfolio. And then there's how he thinks crypto compares with gold.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After years and years of drama, the US Securities and Exchange Commission finally let 10 spot Bitcoin exchange-traded funds begin trading last week. The launches have been wildly successful. But now that these funds are in the wild, you probably have a few questions. And you're not alone!  On this episode, Eric and Joel along with James Seyffart, ETF analyst with Bloomberg Intelligence—open up the mailbag to answer all your most pressing questions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Exchange-traded funds tracking areas that lagged megacap US stocks—such as small caps, international, value and cannabis—are among the 24 ETFs that Bloomberg Intelligence says represent themes that could drive the market in 2024. Other big themes include the mini-boom in active and the race for the first spot Bitcoin ETF.  On this episode, Eric and Joel take a tour of BI's list of ETFs to watch for the year ahead. They're joined by BI's James Seyffart and Athanasios Psarofagis to go through the 15 US ETFs on the list.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The US Securities and Exchange Commission is busier than Santa's elves these days as it scrambles to work with exchange-traded fund issuers to fine-tune offering documents ahead of the likely approval of spot Bitcoin ETFs. While this ten year-long saga seems to be nearing an end, approving them will create a whole new world of products—and regulation. On this episode, Joel Weber, Eric Balchunas and Bloomberg reporter Katie Greifeld speak with SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce in front of an audience at Bloomberg's 8th Annual ETFs in Depth conference. Topics discussed include Bitcoin and crypto ETFs, as well as other topics on the SEC's radar, such as ETF share classes, the growing size of big passive fund companies as well as a steady stream of more complex products. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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After more than a decade-long wait, it's looking likely that the first-ever spot Bitcoin ETFs will soon arrive in the US. But despite the heated race just to get off the start line, SEC approval is actually just when the story begins. Who among the dozen issuers who have filed so far will even make it off the blocks? How will the ETFs differentiate themselves? Who exactly are the prospective investors? On this episod, Eric and Joel speak with ARK founder Cathie Wood and 21 Shares' co-founder Ophelia Snyder about their spot Bitcoin ETF, their plethora of crypto futures ETFs, bitcoin price predictions, institutional adoption and ARK's third act as an ETF issuer. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When it comes to evaluating companies for different exchange-traded fund strategies, some things can be easily measured—such as dividends and price-to-earnings ratios. Others are harder to gauge. This so-called dark matter of the stock market universe includes thinks like a company's brand power, human capital and intellectual property. The latter is something called “intangible value.” And now there's an ETF for that, too. On this episode, Joel and Eric speak with Kai Wu, founder and chief investment officer of Sparkline Capital, the issuer behind the Sparkline Intangible Value ETF (or ITAN), as well as Chis Cain, a quant analyst with Bloomberg Intelligence. Topics discussed include defining intangible value, how it explains the relentless returns of the Super 7 stocks and how much of it is being captures by popular ETFs. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

At Bloomberg, we're always talking about the biggest business stories, and no one is bigger than Elon Musk. In this new chat weekly show, host David Papadopoulos and a panel of guests including Businessweek's Max Chafkin, Tesla reporter Dana Hull, Big Tech editor Sarah Frier, and more, will break down the most important stories on Musk and his empire. Listen wherever you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

ESG seems to have went from all the rage to yesterday's news as ETFs tracking these strategies have been hit with big stretches of underperformance and outflows while media interest has waned. What happened? And where does it go from here?  On this episode of Trillions, Joel and Eric discuss and debate this with Rob Du Boff and Shaheen Contractor, ESG analysts for Bloomberg Intelligence as well as hosts of a new ESG podcast called ESG Currents.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

More than 1,000 ETFs have been liquidated and sent to the proverbial ETF graveyard. But a select few have been resurrected by issuers who think that either the time is right for the idea or they have the ways and means to make it work.  On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel speak with Athanasios Psarofagis of Bloomberg Intelligence about his "Lazarus List"—ETFs that have failed, sometimes at inopportune moments, only to later get another chance. The list includes target-date ETFs as well thematic ETFs—which track airlines, shipping and luxury goods—and two exotic offerings. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How much does the average person know about ETFs? What about an ETF analyst? On this episode of Trillions we put the experts knowledge to the test in our first ever ETF trivia game featuring two competitive teams made up of Todd Rosenbluth, head of ETF research at VettaFi, Lara Crigger, Editor-in-Chief of VettaFi, Katie Greifeld of Bloomberg News and Athanasios Psarofagis of Bloomberg Intelligence. Questions range across asset classes and historical periods and the winning team gets a free sushi lunch with Joel and Eric. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Cathie Wood's Ark Invest recently purchased European exchange-traded fund issuer Rize. The move shows yet another US-based issuer bringing their talents to Europe, a market that while only a fraction the size of the US is growing quickly.  On this episode of Trillions we talk to Hector McNeil, Co-Chief Executive Officer of HANetf and a veteran of the European ETF market. We discuss how Europe remains behind the US in some ways, but ahead in others. We also analyze how portfolios are changing and what McNeil advises issuers to think about when launching new funds. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

India just hosted the G-20. Some of Apple's latest iPhones are now being made there. The country's demographics are compelling. And yet, as Hindenberg Research's short of the Adani Group showed earlier this year, this emerging market is perhaps not without significant risk. On this episode, Eric and Joel, along with Rebecca Sin of Bloomberg Intelligence, speak with Kevin Carter of EMQQ Global, whose India Internet and e-commerce ETF ($INQQ) is attempting to capture the country's boom. They discuss India's similarities and differences with China, its unique approaches to technology, what distinguishes the country's startups and what global investors take into account.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The death of mutual funds has been greatly exaggerated. With $24 trillion in assets, they outmatch exchange-traded funds two to one. And there's good reason to keep tabs on them as well—especially because of what they reveal about active management.  On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel speak with new Bloomberg Intelligence mutual fund analyst David Cohne. He's already made some fascinating discoveries deep inside the world of mutual funds—including who beat QQQ, one fund's unusual top holding and the importance of fees.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Invesco's QQQ Trust Series 1, aka QQQ, is synonymous with tech investing—and performance, given that it's nearly doubled the S&P 500 over the last decade. But because the almost $200 billion exchange-traded fund was created as a unit investment trust, it hasn't made any money for Invesco, which acquired it in the 2006 acquisition of PowerShares. What's Invesco doing about that? Launching money-making spinoffs, of course. On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber discuss QQQ's history as well as Invesco's success with its Q-themed family, including QQQM, QQQJ and QQQS. Athanasios Psarofagis of Bloomberg Intelligence and reporter Katie Greifeld, who wrote about the Qs in a new Bloomberg Businessweek article, join to discuss. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It sounds too good to be true. An exchange-traded fund that is 100% protected from any losses but still gets to participate in stock market gains? While there is a catch and a trade-off involved, that is pretty much what the Innovator Equity Defined Protection ETF—2 Yr to July 2025 (TJUL) sets out to do in a strategy using options. On this episode of Trillions we speak to the masterminds behind this new ETF, Innovator Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer Bruce Bond and Chief Investment Officer Graham Day. We talk about how the ETF works, what the trade-offs are, who it's targeted at and the coming competition in the “buffer” ETF category.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's the third quarter and exchange-traded fund investors have finally gotten their FOMO bug back. While they're currently plowing money into equities, how long can the good times last? This is just one of many trends to watch in the second half.  On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber speak with Athanasios Psarofagis, a Bloomberg Intelligence ETF analyst, about five big stories to watch in the third and fourth quarters of 2023. These include the Bitcoin ETF race, the dethroning of cash, the new “share class” to know about and how active's rise is upended ETF issuers. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Over the past decade, about 30 spot Bitcoin exchange-traded fund applications have been swatted aside by the US Securities and Exchange Commission. The outlook appeared dire. And then a surprise filing by BlackRock Inc. in mid-June seemed to change the mood. A rush of new applications and amendments to existing proposals soon followed. And Ophelia Snyder—co-founder and president of 21Shares, who had re-filed a spot Bitcoin ETF application with ARK Invest in April—was in the mix again. On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber dive into the never-ending race for a Bitcoin ETF, joined by Snyder and James Seyffart, an ETF analyst with Bloomberg Intelligence. The group discusses the new attention on market surveillance, what Coinbase's involvement means, the odds of any of these applications actually getting approved—and the size of the potential market. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dalia Blass has a rare perspective on the exchange-traded fund industry. Now a lawyer at Sullivan & Cromwell, she recently left BlackRock, where she was head of external affairs. Before that, Blass did multiple tours of duty with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, most recently as the director of investment management.  On this episode of Trillions, Blass joins Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber to discuss the regulator's role in innovation, funds and regulation; the politicization of environmental, social and governance investing; and what's next for crypto, artificial intelligence and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Unless you've been living under a rock, you've likely heard about how Artificial Intelligence is going to be a big deal. The exchange-traded fund industry is as excited as any other, and has launched a slew of funds dedicated to either using AI or investing in AI companies. But will this shiny new object be the monumental shift some predict it will be?  On this episode, we chat with Dave Mazza, chief strategy officer for Roundhill, and Rebecca Sin, an ETF analyst for Bloomberg Intelligence who covers Asia. We discuss how much of this trend is hype versus reality, and what investors should know. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The S&P 500 Index is up 9%, the Nasdaq 100 has jumped 25% and Bitcoin-mining stocks are up more than 100%—and yet no one seems to care. At least that's the case among exchange-traded fund investors who have put virtually no money into US equities. It's what we're calling the FOMO drought. What's behind this odd phenomenon, and what can end it? Joel and Eric sit down with Bloomberg Intelligence ETF analyst Athanasios Psarofagis to discuss several spots in the flows, such as international, thematic, leveraged ETFs and money market funds, that can help offer some clues as to why we are seeing such a flow-less rally in US stocks. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Exchange-traded funds could go from $9 trillion in global assets today to $30 trillion in the next decade as investors far and wide continue to migrate from mutual funds. This is the prediction that Brown Brothers Harriman reached in their 10th Annual ETF Survey last month.   On this episode, Joel and Eric speak with Shawn McNinch, Global ETF Head at BBH, to pore over the survey, including questions on how ETFs are selected, what areas investors want to see more products covering and the differences between the US and other regions.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The hottest new trade is the most boring asset class: money market mutual funds. Once regarded as a no-yield option investors would only use to park cash in a crisis, they now yield more than 4.5%. In the first quarter alone, investors flocked to them to the tune of half a trillion dollars. But how do they work? What do they invest in? And why do investors use them instead of similar-yielding, cheaper Treasury exchange-traded funds? We answer all these questions and more on the latest episode of Trillions, which features Nafis Smith, principal and head of Vanguard's taxable money markets, as well as Bloomberg Senior Editor Mike Regan and reporter Katie Greifeld. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The first exchange-traded fund television show ever created, Bloomberg's ETF IQ, just finished its first year on the air. On this episode, we talk to its anchors, Matt Miller and Katie Greifeld, about what goes into making the program, some of its highlights and recurring themes. These include the resurgence of active management, ESG's struggles, investing amid rising interest rates and the wild world of indie issuers. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

UBS recently acquired its troubled neighbor, Credit Suisse, creating a Swiss megabank. How it all went down led to an avalanche of headlines, with a few interesting angles for investors in things such as exchange-traded notes and CoCo bonds.  On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber discuss some of the takeaways with Alison Williams, a senior analyst who covers investment banks and the asset management industry for Bloomberg Intelligence, as well as ETF analyst Athanasios Psarofagis.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In barely a week, three banks a lot of people had never heard of—Silvergate, Silicon Valley and Signature—suddenly became toast. The US government found itself playing backstop to prevent an escalation as whipsawed investors hoped the worst was over. But is it? And in what kind of funds can these banks stocks be found? How will they affect performance? Hint: It would have been a good week to short some of Jim Cramer's top picks.  On this episode, Eric and Joel speak with reporter Katie Greifeld and Athanasios Psarofagis and James Seyffart of Bloomberg Intelligence. They discuss which exchange-traded funds saw the most action and why, the impact on returns and volume, and some of the less obvious ripple effects.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jim Cramer—the host of Mad Money on CNBC—makes a lot of investing calls. It's part of his shtick. And as you can easily divine from social media, not all of them pan out. The new Inverse Cramer Tracker ETF (SJIM), which might be one of the most entertaining exchange-traded funds ever imagined, is aiming to turn Cramer's “Midas touch” into big returns by shorting stocks he's bullish on. It also goes long on Cramer's bearish bets. For good measure, there's also a Long Cramer Tracker ETF (LJIM). On this episode of Trillions, Eric, Joel and reporter Katie Greifeld speak with the man behind the ETF, Matt Tuttle of Tuttle Capital Management. We learn how the products work, what's in the portfolios how much cable television Tuttle has to watch.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Exchange ETF Conference was recently held in Miami Beach with more than 1,000 people in attendance. While the gathering was as popular as ever and networking in full bloom, the vibe was a little more subdued—likely a reflection the recent bear market.  On this episode of Trillions, we run through snippets of several interviews with attendees, covering topics including how the conference has evolved, international investing, the rise of active, industry growth projections, crypto, gold—and even advice on how to break a full-court press from a legendary NCAA basketball coach.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The rise of index funds, exchange-traded funds and passive investing in recent years has been nothing short of momentous, as investors across the US and around the world learn to rely on slow-and-steady returns. But there's been rising concern over the potential side effects of this sea change in the way stocks are bought and sold. The new worry is that, because index funds (and ETFs) are so cheap and easy to access, more people will use them—and this will push down future expected returns for everyone.  On this week's episode of Trillions, we talk to Martin Schmalz, professor of finance and economics at the University of Oxford, about his latest paper on the topic, “Index Funds, Asset Prices, and the Welfare of Investors.” We discuss and debate his paper as well as some other concerns, such as common ownership, and whether any public policy is needed. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

SPY wasn't just a hit product, it was an inspiration for an entire industry to take off. But it didn't happen overnight. It took about 10 years for the ETF structure to be utilized for other asset classes and strategies, which today seem normal but at the time were revolutionary. On this installment we look at many of the game changing products that followed, including the first bond ETF, the first gold ETF, Vanguard's entry and the rise of smart-beta, which was active management's way to get into the action. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

SPDR S&P 500, or SPY, is the world's largest ETF today with about $240 billion in assets, but it wasn't much to look at when it debuted in 1993. Some days it was on “volume life support,” trading as little as 18,000 shares; there was even talk of pulling the plug. Yet true believers, guerrilla marketing, and a booming 1990s stock market helped the product gain favor. And once SPY took off, the markets were forever changed. This episode also explores how SPY soon inspired a host of other ETFs, from international and sectors to fixed income and gold.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Just as Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak weren't the only two geeks in a garage working on a computer in the 1970s, the AMEX wasn't the only exchange looking to get a market basket instrument listed. The late 1980s saw multiple attempts to create something like an ETF, including SuperShares, Equity Index Participation Shares, Cash Index Participation Shares and the Toronto 35 Index Participation Units.  Ultimately, SPY gets – and deserves – the lion's share of the credit as the first ETF. But by no means was AMEX alone in the race; they were just the winners. This episode looks at the race, the players involved and why their products became historical footnotes. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When the SPDR S&P 500 Trust (SPY) was submitted to the SEC in 1988, George Michael's "Faith" was the No. 1 song and Magic Johnson led the Lakers to another NBA Championship. By the time SPY finally launched in 1993, Nirvana had ushered in the grunge era and Michael Jordan had taken over the NBA. While the SEC wrestled with this unique product -- which was almost like a foreign object that had landed on their desks -- the whole culture had changed. In those four long years, there was much back and forth between the SEC and the SPY teams over logistics, structure, and the creation-redemption process, which was inspired by commodities warehouses. The patience and labor paid off for the ETF's creators, who figured out how to keep fees low and also earn some unintended windfalls, such as the products' tax efficiency.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Government reports are known more for curing insomnia than providing inspiration for revolutionary products. The October 1987 Market Break Report might be an exception. A paragraph deep in the SEC's 800-page white paper happened to outline a “product” for trading baskets of stocks. On this episode of “The ETF Story,” you'll learn how those words gave Nate Most and Steve Bloom the idea for what would become the exchange-traded fund. You'll also hear from Vanguard founder John Bogle, who passed on Most's pitch -- and who may have shaped the ETF in the process. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.