Very That

ok byeeeeee! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Have you ever gotten everything you ever wanted? Yeah, neither have we girl! In this episode, your favorite Trauma Titas revisit manifestation and talk about what happens after you get what you've been asking for from the Universe. From unanticipated repercussions to enlighted self-discovery, Arnold & Grey learn to embrace the Universe's honest, albeit brutally passive-aggressive, lessons in whatever form they materialize, even if it's just another fist. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

In this episode, the Trauma-Titas explore the topic of aging and all the funny little feelings and moments of panic it brings. The conversation starts off exploring the mortal reflection of our parents, the anxiety it brings up, a few revelations, and maybe some bits of healing. They agree that their old age includes a stunning lewk and perhaps a few health code violations. So, when it comes to aging, YES THAT'S HAPPENING! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

The Trauma-Titas roll up their sleeves & dive into some insectionaliTEA for Pride month. The Titas explore their work to decolonize their mindsets and worldview by reclaiming a connection with the ancestors. Arnold & Grey discuss how decolonization work manifests in their own lives and the pieces of themselves they were able to reclaim along the way. Arnold shares how he works through the grief of a culture and a people brutalized out of existence through questioning and challenging western values only to discover the ancestors never left.... especially on the dance floor. Grey discusses how reclaiming indigenous language has given way to an awakening of emotional maturity & connection with the self (Standard English, but make it indigenous!) That's not to say the work is without its woes, as the Titas get into the trauma of the work as it never ends. But, together – they align that the work is vital as it reclaims & reconnects the past, present, and future and, most importantly, OURSELVES! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Your Trauma-Titas are back with a new episode. They explore all the reasons Catholicism just wasn't giving what need be gotten. It's that moment when you're at a party, and you realize, “I don't wanna be here!” – VERY THAT! Arnold & Grey explore how understanding their own identities, decolonization work, and their own spiritual peregrinations led them to give Catholicism the canonical CHOP! Arnold tells how identifying that her faith was a trauma response led to the realization that something ain't right. Grey shares how his passion for history & witchery led to a process of unlearning the very teachings that made her feel unsafe. Together, they discuss how reconnecting to their roots is helping them tap into something more extraordinary and empowering and why they ain't nothing to be played with now! They come to agree that when it comes to Catholicism, it's giving scrub. AND YOU HEARD WHAT TLC SAID! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

You know that moment when you're at a lame party and the host asks if you're enjoying the festivities; what do you do? Politely say “yes” or “sorry gorl but isss whack”? Which answer is the right choice? Is politeness a departure from authenticity, or can politeness be genuine? In this episode, your favorite Trauma Titas dive into the discussion of “Is Politeness Authentic?”. Live, laugh, cry with Arnold and Grey as they go back and forth between their opposing views on the authenticity of politeness. Arnold expresses how past experiences with politeness have deemed the sentiment to be disingenuous and just another means of control. Arnold further explains it doesn't mean that politeness is not always a bad thing because whose to say everyone deserves our most authentic selves? Grey flips the coin to discuss that while politeness can be feigned, it can grant access to our most authentic wants and needs. Grey explains that while polite words may not always express one's true feelings, politeness can still express one's sentiments. Together, they dive into their own experiences that have led them to these opposing views. After much debate & cackling, the two understand that their opposing views stem from how they see respect. In the end, they can agree that politeness itself can lead to growth and potentially more access to the world and yourself. Will these two divas ever see eye-to-eye on this topic? Listen & find out! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

We all know BROWN families are close, but does that mean that we're always connected? In this episode, your favorite Trauma Titas dive into the topic of ‘Family Closeness & Connection'. Live, Laugh, Cry with Arnold & Grey as they explore their experiences with closeness and connection in their own families, and the drama of the trauma! Arnold explains that while her family is close enough to have their hashtag, true connection requires something much more vulnerable. Further, she goes on to discuss the impact emotional dissonances with the family has on her connection to them. For Grey, sometimes the family closest to you can feel the farthest away…and maybe far enough. Grey explains that while vulnerability has deepened her connection with some of her family, it remains the block with those closest. Together they explore how emotional vulnerability, or the lack thereof, has shaped the way their view families, and why this worthiness wound needs some Windex. As the Voula to each other's Maria, they go on to explore how queerness expands the reach of the word family to provide a strong sense of tribal connection. In the end, the two discover that the work we do within ourselves leads the way to closeness & connectedness…even if it is oversharing about the lump on the back of your neck! In the end, they come to the conclusion that if they want true closeness with family it means not only sharing your whole self, neck lump and all, but also embrace all the lumps of your families' necks too…OPA! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Forgive and forget: Is it real? Can you truly let go and forget after you forgive someone…maybe? Either way, Grey is confused and fully doesn't know what's happening. In this episode, our favorite Trauma Titas dive into the topic of forgiveness, namely forgive and forget, and explore their opposing viewpoints. Arnold affirms that while forgiveness is possible, it's still seared into her memory that Rebecca stole her favorite purple pen in 4th grade. While Grey, on the other hand, holds that once you forgive someone of their offense, it's easy to remove that offense from your view of that person…if the relationship is meaningful. Together, they explore how the cultural conventions we grow up in can dictate how we view the topic of forgiving and forgetting. Arnold explains how therapy & decolonization work has broadened his view of forgiveness, where accepting both the elements you both agree and oppose within people. After healing from a breakup, Arnold realized that forgiveness requires him to remember and embrace the parts he disagree with, while compassionately incorporating those parts into how he see them. Grey goes into how the overdramatic cultural customs she grew up in provided a framework and criteria for forgiveness, where the final condition requires a clearing of the ethereal slate. Grey explains how the forgiveness gained from a family member helped to reaffirm this view of forgiveness. The two turn it inwards to expose the moments when they struggled with forgiveness. While the two see the element of forgetting differently, they agree that forgiveness comes with a newfound view of your offender. Whether it's understanding their faults as parts of their complexity or accepting that they're human and had a momentary departure from their typical character. Either Grey is still going to be late for lunch, and Rebecca from 4th grade is still on Arnold's list. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Do you know what we hate? EVERYTHING! But is that necessarily a bad thing? Sure Hate is one of our more dangerous emotions in our infinite cosmic power, but is there merit to glean from it? While Hate can birth a lot of darkness, perhaps there is light in the space and distance it provides. In this episode, your favorite Trauma Titas explore the idea of Hate as it relates to their emotions and experiences in the world. Arnold dives into how Hate can provide one with the emergency emotional armor and create space between yourself and your antithesis to further explore your emotions. Grey discusses his thoughts on how the hyperbolic and sensational nature of the world today makes Hate a very accessible and easy feeling to hold on to, but is that warranted? Your Trauma Titas explore how their relationships with Hate have evolved, driving the focus back on themselves and their own wounds that still need healing. Speaking of Hate – healing isn't always the most comfortable journey. So they explore all the things they hate about the healing process. The constant crying, the epiphany of your accountability in your anxiety and depression, as well as all that pesky little ego-death, all are cause for Hate in Arnold & Grey's healing sagas. However – let's be honest: hating on someone/something can be fun and a cathartic way of coping with the dumpster fire of the world we live in today – so go off, sis! In the end, it's not hate that's bad but rather your relationship with Hate that will dictate the morality behind that most controversial of emotions. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Lookout season 3, here we come! Your favorite Mary and Rhoda are back to explore all the emotionally awkward and painful moments that'll make you live-laugh-cry and hopefully heal…maybe? At least there's laughter, right? In this episode, we examine WERK and all of the fun trauma it brings and some of the emotional baggage we bring to the table. As seasoned corporate ladder climbers, we have many opinions on why work can be full-on trash and expose some of our biggest insecurities. Whether it's your inherent worthiness or security – WERK has a way of picking at & exposing our emotional wounds. Grey and Arnold open up the show by examining their different perspectives around work. Grey explores how growing up with a lack of financial security led to the understanding that WERK is just a means to access protection, stability, and hopefully a new fancy jacket. Arnold dives into how viewing his journey with work through the lens of a career provided clear defined markers of success and achievement, and more importantly, self-worth. Together they unravel the ways WERK has caused them to abandon their true passions and fulfillment for security and status and what they're doing now to rewrite that narrative. Whether reclaiming your boundaries or redefining upward mobility, it's time to kick Alanis out of the driver seat and reroute the journey. Emotionally stable and fulfilling work is the new mindset! So let's fold scarves… and try to heal from the workplace trauma! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

It's here, the season finale of Very That Season 2! We're taking it back to the backwoods with a couple of lazyboys and making Oprah proud with our very own version of Super Soul Sunday... but making it spooky ooky booky dooky kooky looky wooky! So pull up a chair and let's get sickening and absolutely disgusting as we examine some of Oprah's favorite SSS questions, but f*ck the pretense and get real because while we may not have all the answers, we certainly have our truths. Together we examine the purpose of human existence. Grey questions why we all feel the need for a higher purpose, with Arnold acknowledging the power in just being but asks where the hell are the directions? Next, the duo asks, "What do you know for sure?" - and while we can all agree not much, your hosts examine the truths they hold dear to lives, no matter how painfully honest or delusional. Nina Bonita Brown could never serve it as hard as Shea! Lastly, the duo examines how they see their higher selves and get familiar with the feelings and truths around that identity; enter Doris! Grey explains how she's grasping for more grace, and Arnold divulges how she is more hungry for more comfort in his own company. Together they're both just trying to get their hands and mouth around that higher self!. As always, the two keep the answers light and gross, just like how Alanis likes it! As always, thank you all for another great season, and we look forward to season 3, where we get grosser, deeper, spookier, and laugh so hard we cry...or just cry! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

CATEGORY IS: ABANDONMENT Remember the scene in Dreamgirls where Effie is pleading with Curtis to stay? Queue "And I am Telling You I'm Not Going" So move over, Alanis, because, in this episode, we get familiar with everyone's favorite Dreamgirl: Abandonment. As one of the deepest wounds, Abandonment can have so much power in the way we see ourselves and the world around us while dictating our every move. Arnold walks through how he discovered his abandonment wounds were causing his behavior to repel those closest to him, thus only deepening the wound. Grey explains how his fear of rejection and Abandonment forced him to overcompensate by being an anxious people pleaser. Together they conclude that rejection is a necessary part of the karmic wheel – providing us a moment that reminds us to center back to ourselves and see how WE aren't serving ourselves. So forget Mr. Taylor and look in that mirror and channel Miss Effie as you shout, "I'm staying, I'm staying, And you, and you, and you, You're gonna love MEEEEE!!!!!" Make sure to follow & turn on notifications so you never miss and episode! New episodes launch every other Friday! Listen to VERY THAT by clicking the link in the bio or going to Spotify, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Breakr, Anchor, and everywhere else podcasts are available. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

CATEGORY IS: REPRESENTATION R-E-P-R-E-S-E-N-T! Find out what it means to me…well, what it means to us! In this episode, Arnold & Grey explore the role and impact of representation in the world, or the lack thereof, in their lives. The ability to see oneself reflected in the world around them can be validating and inspiring – but what happens when that's not the case? Grey discusses how glimpses of representation can often come through as saturated stereotypes – that don't always feel applicable and have made him question his own identity and relationship with said stereotype. Arnold explains how lack of visibility into alternative stories drives his yearning for more, but also helped him recognize those in power writing these stories are creating a funhouse mirror to reflect how others expect us to be rather than who we are in reality. Knowing that the mirror is warped & creating dissent – but also helps to recognize which parts of your identity need validation. For instance: MENTAL HEALTH! Queue the Alanis Morissette! Together, your hosts realize that representation can be galvanizing and provide power, and sometimes it's up to you to pick up that charge. So if you don't see it now, perhaps it's an opportunity for you to become that representation & be that mirror for someone else. In the end, we all belong and deserve to be wherever we want, so TAKE UP SPACE AND REPRESENT HEAUX!!! Make sure to follow & turn on notifications so you never miss and episode! New episodes launch every other Friday! Listen to VERY THAT by clicking the link in the bio or going to Spotify, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Breakr, Anchor, and everywhere else podcasts are available. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Do you hear that? Neither do we! That's because in this episode, Grey & Arnold are talking about silence – and they won't shut up about their opinions about it! Silence is just the absence of sound – which is funny since it can hold so much presence…almost deafening! Throughout the episode, they observe the power silence can have over us, causing panic or a gateway to fantasy. Grey discusses how his upbringing has made silence and formidable adversary – as its presence can bring up past traumas.On the other hand, Arnold explains how silence provides a comfortable and safe space for him – where he can explore the recesses of his mind. Both observe that their response to silence presents in their ability to connect to the world. However, together they find that it is not silence that is the issue, but rather their response to its presence. In the end – silence is neutral, and it's our association and relationship with the silence that drive our reaction. So when it comes to silence, tell your mind to just SHUTUP and let her LIVE! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

CATEGORY IS: TRUST YO SELF Did you leave your stove on? No? Are you sure? Girl, you better double-check! In this episode, Arnold and Grey explore how they second guess themselves & self-trust can be such a trial. If Alanis is Anxiety, and Mariah is happiness, then Trust has to be Michelle from Destiny's Child. You know you CAN trust her to show up – but that fall on 106 & Park makes you second-guess her ability to get it together. Arnold discusses how growing up in a family where issues were never addressed makes him LOSE HIS BREATH when trying to trust his emotions. Grey goes into how constantly being reminded of his mistakes by his family now makes him second guess his own decisions and act like a BUG-A-BOO with himself. Together, the two realize that sometimes you become your own SOLDIER and not be afraid to stand up for yourself. Sometimes, you have gotta SAY YES and show yourself some compassion and Trust that you got this girl BECAUSE YOU DO! So let yourself flotsam and jetsam about – because sometimes that's needed to create the world you want because a bit of destruction is necessary when you're trying to CATER 2 U! Make sure to follow & turn on notifications so you never miss and episode! New episodes launch every other Friday! Listen to VERY THAT by clicking the link in the bio or going to Spotify, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Breakr, Anchor, and everywhere else podcasts are available. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

CATEGORY IS: HAPPINESS You know that moment when something great happiness but your anxious ass is still like, "What's the catch?" What's with that? In this episode, Arnold & Grey explore their complex relationship with happiness & why it's so hard to fully commit to it. So if anxiety is Alanis Morissette, then joy has to be Mariah Carey – you love her when she comes on, but by the 5th time you've heard "All I Want for Christmas is You" you want to scream! Arnold discusses how his relationship with happiness can feel co-dependent, to the point where he can feel a little Obsessed with her, but comes to realization that she is a part of him indefinitely. Grey explores how Mariah is a state of being rather than a feeling – where even when things are shit, one can find contentment with the current experience with just a bit of perspective. Together the two discover that while Mariah is the Moment (now c'mon now)– it's necessary to put this Spotify playlist of life on shuffle because that's what it truly means to be alive! Sometimes that One Sweet Day can turn into a Heartbreaker – AND THAT'S THE REAL FANTASY OF LIFE! However, when Mariah comes, then you need to hit them runs, girl! Because when you surrender to happiness, you get to feel your whistle-tone Fantasy! Make sure to follow & turn on notifications so you never miss and episode! New episodes launch every other Friday! Listen to VERY THAT by clicking the link in the bio or going to Spotify, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Breakr, Anchor, and everywhere else podcasts are available --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

It's been a minute y'all – but Very That is Back from a short, much-needed hiatus. In this episode, Arnold and Grey peel back the layers of their psyche to explore the complicated topic of Self Worth. Once again Alanis (aka Anxiety) is trying to jump in the driver seat and tell you who are, to which your favorite Aunties respond with, "HOW DARE YOU!". Grey exposes how his insecurities around his body made him believe the evil things his Anxiety was telling him about his worth. Arnold talks about the fervid relationship between the expectation to achieve and his sense of worthiness and the ways he subsides the occasional flare up. Together the two discover through understanding and challenging the negative thoughts around your self worth and finding ways to connect with your authentic self can help to rebuild and strengthen your inherent worthiness. SO MOVE OVER ALANIS – we driving this car now, so sit down and shut up.*turns on bad bitch playlist* --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Time to get cozy with your favorite Aunties as they explore the uncomfortable world of conflict and the ways they pull apart this confining topic. Whether it's watching Phi Phi yell at Sharon with one eyebrow, Yaya correcting the girls about respect, or Rosie letting Elizabeth have it - conflict is never comfortable. Still, sometimes it can be a little fun. Arnold and Grey explore how they interact with conflict, exploring how the experience feels and the steps they take to work through it. Grey talks about how he's a lover whose ready to fight, highlighting the internal conflict that arises as he tries to weigh out his options on whether or not to engage with conflict. Arnold admits that while conflict provides a thrill, self-preservation holds him back from letting these bitches have...because she's got the receipts! Together the two discuss how the idea of community and the security comes from that can keep you from popping off and reacting to conflict because sometimes it's easier just to agree with the group. However, while it's not easy - it's not without its benefits. As the discussion unfolds - Arnold and Grey recognize that conflict can not only provide insight into the wounds that one still needs to heal while also providing an alternative perspective, or a least a chance to flesh out your own...and who doesn't love a little FLESHING OUT! So while it's not always the best or the easiest - GO AWF SIS AND LET THEM HAVE IT! You deserve the healing strength of Aneesa, so cut it up and get cozy with conflict! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

CATEGORY IS: Gossip GIrls XoXo Join your favorite Aunties as they dive into the juicy world of gossip – exploring where it comes from, what it provides, and why it's so damn funny! Whether it's Kiki'ng with the gals or throwing shade to the bitch that wronged you, gossip is something we all do whether we like it or not. Of course, this exploration isn't without its tangents – have you heard of colonialism? While many view gossip as something done in secret in a sinister matter – that doesn't mean it's not without its merits. Arnold divulges how tsismis is a family affair and can be a form of self-soothing by numbing the effect of the garbage in your life by focusing on someone else's. Grey dives deep into the juice to describe how gossip can be cathartic and therapeutic by granting validation of our own perceptions. Together the two discover that while it can have its more sinister intentions, gossip itself is not inherently wrong and can provide a point of connection with others through vulnerable conversations…cue the Brene Brown reference. So if your gossip stands to cause no harm, go off sis and spill that tea because in the end, we're all just thirsty for connection! Make sure to follow & turn on notifications so you never miss and episode! New episodes launch every other Friday! Listen to VERY THAT by clicking the link in the bio or going to Spotify, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Breakr, Anchor, and everywhere else podcasts are available. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

CATEGORY IS: Good GRIEF Girl get a Grip! Arnold and Grey are back whether you missed them or not - DEAL WITH IT! The two open season 2 by exploring a topic that has touched everyone's lives over the course of the past year: GRIEF. What is it, what's it feel like, and how do we get our mouth around it - because, GIRL, this one is a mouthful! The two start by exploring the various stages of grief - and the sequence, or the lack thereof, in which they experience them. Arnold explores how losing a version of himself has fueled his grief, but perhaps those parts are still there somewhere hidden...perhaps deep in that gusset! Grey talks about his relationship with his parents and holding an idyllic view of what that relationship has given him a heavy amount of grief, but understanding the world that was giving him this idyllic is bullshit is helping him to reclaim the loss. Together, Arnold and Grey callout the merit of grief in the healing process and its importance in showing us who we are and where our power lies. So you better get comfortable with her - because Grief ain't going nowhere, honey! Make sure to follow & turn on notifications so you never miss and episode! New episodes launch every other Friday! Listen to VERY THAT by clicking the link in the bio or going to Spotify, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Breakr, Anchor, and everywhere else podcasts are available." --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Can you believe it? It's finally here – the season finale to season 1 of Very That! Arnold and Grey top off the season by turning it over to their devoted and chaotic listeners to answer some of their pressing questions to provide the HOLE truth and nothing but the truth. The questions cover the entire gamut, from the deep to the gross…just like your dad! The two discuss how coming together to create a space for vulnerability and community has become the podcast's pride and joy, along with having a dedicated space for people to come for them! Nothing is too personal, as they embrace the truth of their vulnerability to talk about their first times' awkwardness. Arnold reveals his first time didn't go the way you'd imagine. Grey explains why he likes to go BOB in the bedroom. The discussion continues with a myriad of other questions: from favorite sex positions, finding the right therapist, along with some dating advice for Gen Zoomer. A big thank you to everyone who has supported season 1 – your support and shade have helped ensure each episode is more profound and grosser than the previous. We can't wait to get downright subterranean and disgusting for Season 2 as we explore a whole new set of experiences with old traumas; STAY TUNED! Until then, make sure you're caught up on all 10 episodes & keep your notifications on so you don't miss any of the fun! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Arnold & Grey look back at their lives & continue to look inward as they examine what they've learned from the weighty topic of REGRET – luckily, they took their Boniva, so these shoulders are ready for the weight. Grey examines the pathology of the regret, noting its lack of density, in reality, makes it a toxic sentiment. Arnold has a bone to pick as he discusses his relationship with regret, revealing the regretful skeleton he's kept hidden from his family for so long. While having opposing relationships with regret, calling out the shame in regret helps them to see that while holding regret isn't healthy – perhaps there's something to learn from it. Together, they diagnose that regret is just the lack of peace from our decisions & experiences, and on this road to peace, regret needs to take a backseat … RIGHT NOW! Support Black Lives Matter. For a list of resources and ways to help, check out blacklivesmatters.carrd.co. Follow Us On IG: Podcast @podcastverythat Arnold @ar_de_san Grey @hella_grey Email us at: podcastverythat@gmail.com Listen to Very That on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Anchor, Google Podcast, and everywhere else podcasts are available --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Arnold & Grey take a moment to enjoy a mystical peregrination and call upon the ancestors for divine intervention to discuss SPIRITUALITY! Grey explains how accepting the world's chaos has enabled him to better understand true peace & harmony… along with the Colonial-British penal code. Arnold walks through how acknowledging the persecution embedded in his own heritage helps him gain more comfort and freedom; because Saweetie isn't the only one who knows how to TAP IN! Oppression and transcendence mark their spiritual journeys' duality, as they discuss how their reuniting with the ways of the ancients has redefined their understanding of the metaphysical. Together, they surrender to the notion that true spirituality starts with a connection to oneself and embracing the honesty of the universe…PERIODT! Support Black Lives Matter. For a list of resources and ways to help, check out blacklivesmatters.carrd.co. Use Promo Code: VERYTHAT for 20% off, Valid Dec 4-15 at SittieandSage.com Follow Us On IG: Podcast @podcastverythat Arnold @ar_de_san Grey @hella_grey Email us at: podcastverythat@gmail.com Listen to Very That on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Anchor, Google Podcast, and everywhere else podcasts are available --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Arnold and Grey deviate from the current reality's rigor to discuss every Oprah fan's favorite topic: MANIFESTATION! Whether it's getting some strange on Grindr, getting a new job, or starting a podcast – the two walk through their various experiences with manifestation and cultivating their own realities. Grey walks through how adopting Nietzche's Camel-mindset allowed him to get over his own humps to manifest his dream role – whether in the boardroom or bedroom. Arnold explains how the movie 'The Craft' & the natural order of the elements provide the perfect rubric for manifestation, enabling him to tap into his real power to become the Avatar of his own space. "Following that D" takes on a new meaning as the two discuss following their Dao & to discover that it's not about timing but intention. Whether you feel like a Fairuza Balk or Rachael True – your emotions and energies are always materializing the world around you and your experience. So you better embrace that "D" if you want to become Robin Tunney…AND THAT'S REAL POWER! Support Black Lives Matter. For a list of resources and ways to help, check out blacklivesmatters.carrd.co. Follow Us On IG: Podcast @podcastverythat Arnold @ar_de_san Grey @hella_grey Email us at: podcastverythat@gmail.com Listen to Very That on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Anchor, Google Podcast, and everywhere else podcasts are available --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Arnold & Grey go back to quarantine & bare it all on how isolation has caused them to face their worst demons: THEMSELVES! The duo keeps it as effervescent as a BACKWOOD, discussing how time alone in quarantine is forcing them to learn how to rely back on themselves and understand what the stories they tell themselves are really saying about who they are. Arnold talks about how upgrading his emotional-programing to be less codependent has given his life a reboot and enabled him to realize HER real power. Grey comes up with a working title for the next great outdoor-circuit party while also uncovering that true peace comes from learning trust yourself and embracing the awkwardness of vulnerability. The discussion reveals that while there's comfort in the pain you know, there's also liberation to be gained by embracing vulnerability…as well as trucker porn. Support Black Lives Matter. For a list of resources and ways to help, check out blacklivesmatters.carrd.co. Follow Us On IG: Podcast @podcastverythat Arnold @ar_de_san Grey @hella_grey Email us at: podcastverythat@gmail.com Listen to Very That on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Anchor, Google Podcast, and everywhere else podcasts are available --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Arnold and Grey try to take the tone down a notch and in ASMR's tone to talk about everyone's favorite topic: QUARANTINE! They talk about the good, the bad, the ugly, and, more importantly, THE SHAMEFUL moments they've encountered during Quarantine. Arnold dives into the emotional rollercoaster he's been on facing his demons and loneliness - filled with highs, lows, and obscure movie references. Grey shares how dedicating more time to learning to enjoy his own company helps him recognize that the glass is half full...don't ask about the other half. Together, they hope that they can leverage Quarantine's space and time to come out the other side as better people. WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE.. right...maybe? Support Black Lives Matter. For a list of resources and ways to help, check out blacklivesmatters.carrd.co. Follow Us On IG: Podcast @podcastverythat Arnold @ar_de_san Grey @hella_grey Email us at: podcastverythat@gmail.com Listen to Very That on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Anchor, Google Podcast, and everywhere else podcasts are available. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Arnold and Grey take a step back and talk about the idea boundaries in relationships and why they're essential to your sanity and self-preservation. Arnold explains how understanding his emotional needs in the now is helping him to reclaim his time and establish his boundaries for the future. Grey breaks down the challenges he's experienced in trying to develop & understand his boundaries after growing up in a culture that didn't value the self. Together they realize boundaries aren't barriers that keep people out, but instead a means to loving deeper...STARTING WITH YOURSELF! RIP Cupcake the Guinea Pig! Support Black Lives Matter. For a list of resources and ways to help, check out blacklivesmatters.carrd.co. Follow Us On IG: Podcast @podcastverythat Arnold @ar_de_san Grey @hella_grey Email us at: podcastverythat@gmail.com Listen to Very That on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Anchor, Google Podcast, and everywhere else podcasts are available. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Arnold and Grey discuss body image, reveal you have to get a little bawdy to understand your body. They spare no detail about their own views on body image and its impact on themselves and the world around them. Grey lays it on heavy about the limits he felt around his weight and how he trimmed the fat to discover that there is no weight limit to beauty. Arnold dives deep into how understanding his own framework & body got him to be more comfortable with how his slender frame werks! At the end of the day - AINT NOBODY LOVE YO BODY BETTER THAN YOU! Support Black Lives Matter. For a list of resources and ways to help, check out blacklivesmatters.carrd.co. Follow Us On IG: Podcast @podcastverythat Arnold @ar_de_san Grey @hella_grey Email us at: podcastverythat@gmail.com Listen to Very That on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Anchor, Google Podcast, and everywhere else podcasts are available. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Arnold and Grey chat about the road to therapy - leaving out no detail about the pitstops along the way, and how the journey doesnt stop after you've reached your destination. Grey talks about feeling his oats, and reveals how he got the recipe. Arnold talks about learning how to get back in the driver's seat of his emotions, or at the very least how to enjoy the ride. ARE WE THERE YET? Support Black Lives Matter. For a list of resources and ways to help, check out blacklivesmatters.carrd.co. Follow Us On IG: Podcast @podcastverythat Arnold @ar_de_san Grey @hella_grey Listen to Very That on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Anchor, Google Podcast, and everywhere else podcasts are available. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message

Join Grey and Arnold to get a glimpse of their world of delusional banter. In this episode, they give an intimate look at what makes them tick, maybe more intimate than you are comfortable with... --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/verythatpodcast/message