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New Persuasive Words started as two guys talking about life with what we thought (hoped?) was wit and insight, on our good days anyway. Then...a podcast.

Scott Jones & Bill Borror


    • Jan 14, 2022 LATEST EPISODE
    • infrequent NEW EPISODES
    • 34m AVG DURATION
    • 265 EPISODES


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    Episode 295: Shall The Fundamentalists Win?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 14, 2022 28:58


    In this episode we reflect on the hundredth anniversary of the sermon that was at the heart of the fundamentalist/modernist controversy. It was preached by Harry Emerson Fosdick in 1922 at the Riverside Church in New York City. It's still discussed because it's still relevant. We'll be revisiting this them throughout 2022 so stay tuned! The article we reference in the show can be found here: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2022/01/did-the-fundamentalists-win-a-centennial-retrospective/.

    Episode 294: Our Holiday 2021 Wrap Up

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 22, 2021 43:47


    In this episode we give our reflections on 2021 as we head into the New Year.

    Episode 293: Our Rittenhouse Report

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2021 26:36


    In this episode we share our thoughts on the Rittenhouse verdict. It will be an ongoing conversation in public and private life in North America for sure. This is our initial contribution. We offer it with a lot of mixed emotions. We hope it serves the public good.

    Episode 292: 1776: Should We Have Fought The Revolutionary War?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 8, 2021 35:12


    In this episode we pose a historical what if: What if the American colonists didn't fight the Revolutionary War in 1776?

    Episode 291: Illiberal Liberalism?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 30, 2021 50:46


    In this episode we ponder the relationship between classical liberalism and the contemporary left. Is the left illiberal? When does one get cancelled? And we even tell you how you can get us to do a live show in your neighborhood. Happy listening!

    Episode 290: Should We Fear God?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 25, 2021 41:14


    In this episode, after some recap of the news of the week, we ask a question: should we fear God?

    Episode 289: We're Back!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2021 24:52


    We're back...enough said!

    Episode 288: To Be Free Or Not To Be

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 19, 2020 40:41


    We continue talking about the romance of Christian orthodoxy by looking at some of the ideas and figures that challenged it. This episode deals with one of Augustine's most famous opponents: Pelagius. They debated the nature of original sin and the capacity of human beings to choose the ultimate good, God.

    Episode 287: American Paganism

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2020 38:06


    In this episode, our first one in the "new bunker", we discuss an article from Commonweal Magazine. In it David Albertson, a religion professor at USC, argues that many conservative intellectuals justify supporting Trump in the name of defending Christianity and fighting a new kind of American paganism. But what is paganism? What if it's not what we think it is? You can find the article here: https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/american-paganism.

    Episode 286: Infinite Love?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 31, 2020 29:41


    In this episode, joined by our friend Adam Morton, we discuss a controversial tweet that Tim Keller posted about the Trinity and the Cross. You can find the tweet and a host of replies and comments to it here: https://twitter.com/timkellernyc/status/1221485536415768576?s=20. Special Guest: Adam Morton.

    Episode 285: The Two Popes

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2020 28:09


    In this episode we talk about the recently released Netflix film The Two Popes.

    Episode 284: Merry Christmas

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 24, 2019 31:06


    This is our annual Christmas episode. Have a great holiday!

    Episode 283: Iconoclasm

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 7, 2019 48:52


    In this episode, joined by Matthew Milliner, we talk about iconoclasm. The Iconoclastic Controversy, was a dispute over the use of religious images (icons) in the Byzantine Empire in the 8th and 9th centuries. The Iconoclasts (those who rejected images) objected to icon veneration for several reasons, including the Old Testament prohibition against images in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:4) and the possibility of idolatry. The defenders of the use of icons insisted on the symbolic nature of images and on the dignity of created matter. You can download Matt Milliner's review essay "Everything you know about Byzantine art is wrong" here. (https://www.academia.edu/12082058/Everything_you_know_about_Byzantine_art_is_wrong) Special Guest: Matt Milliner.

    Episode 282: Fully Human, Fully Divine

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 29, 2019 42:35


    We continue our "Romance of Orthodoxy" series. We've been considering the development of Christian orthodoxy and some of the major challenges and debates that helped formulate the heart of the Christian faith. In this episode we consider the Fourth Century controversies that led to the Chalcedonian Council, which declared that Christ had two natures in one person, and the relationship between the natures.

    Episode 281: Arianism

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2019 35:54


    In this episode we continue talking about the Romance of Christian Orthodoxy, considering what many consider to be the grandest heresy of them all: Arianism.

    Episode 280: No Gnosis is Good Gnosis...

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 22, 2019 36:28


    In this episode we continue our series on the Romance of Orthodoxy. We consider the heresy that seems to have perennial appeal in Christian history: Gnosticism.

    Episode 279: Modalism: The Clark Kent/Superman Trinity

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 22, 2019 32:06


    Continuing our series about the Romance of Orthodoxy, we consider the modalist heresy, which holds that Father, Son, and Spirit are really not persons but more like masks or roles God puts on in relationship to the world.

    Episode 278: Marcion, Thor and YHWH

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2019 41:35


    In this episode we continue to talk about the Romance of Orthodoxy. We talk about Marcionism, a heresy that claims the God of the Hebrew Bible is fundamentally different than the God revealed in Jesus Christ. We find a surprising modern example of the position in renowned theologian David Bentley Hart. We consider a recent exchange he had with First Things contributor Peter Leithart.

    Episode 277: Docetism

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2019 36:18


    Continuing our series on the Romance of Orthodoxy, we discuss the "docetic" heresy, which claims that Jesus Christ was divine, but not really human.

    Episode 276: Jesus, Judaism and the Early Church

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 24, 2019 31:38


    Continuing our discussion of the romance of orthodoxy, we consider controversies in the history of the church. In this episode we discuss the early church's struggle with the role of Torah observance and the inclusion of Gentiles. We reference an atonement chart put together by Brad East. You can find it here (http://resident-theologian.blogspot.com/2019/09/an-atonement-typology.html).

    Episode 275: The Romance of Orthodoxy

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 10, 2019 36:07


    Fresh off of our summer vacations, we talk about how Christian orthodoxy has romanced us both and continues to do so. We reference two podcast interviews in this episode. You can find them below. https://giveandtake.fireside.fm/175 https://giveandtake.fireside.fm/174

    Episode 274: Summer Potpourri

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 16, 2019 38:51


    We're both looking toward summer vacation! In this episode we mix it up, like the Jeoprady Potpourri category. You never know what's coming next.

    Episode 273: Guns, God and White Supremacism

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 6, 2019 32:23


    In this episode we talk about the recent mass shootings in Texas and Ohio and how to face what they tell us about ourselves as Americans.

    Episode 272: Kissing The Faith Goodbye

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 31, 2019 39:45


    In this episode we talk about renowned former megachurch pastor Josh Harris's announcement that he has left the Christian faith.

    Episode 271: Us, Them, Trump, and The Squad

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 23, 2019 29:38


    In this episode, inspired in part by David Fitch's new book, we talk about the recent inflammatory statements President Trump made about four women of color in the House of Representatives.

    Episode 270: Apocalypse Now?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 10, 2019 31:23


    Many are troubled by evangelical love affair with President Trump. Sometimes people talk like it means that the sky is falling or that the end is near. Is this overstated? Might historical perspective teach us a thing or two in this cultural moment?

    Episode 269: The Gift of Wonder, with Christine Sine

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2019 40:27


    In this episode we talk with a special guest, Christine Sine. Her new book is entitled The Gift of Wonder: Creative Practices For Delighting In God (https://www.amazon.com/Gift-Wonder-Creative-Practices-Delighting/dp/0830846530/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=christine+sine&qid=1561126656&s=gateway&sr=8-1). Can you imagine a God who dances with shouts of joy, laughs when you laugh, loves to play, enjoys life, and invites us to join the fun? Like many of us, Christine Sine had spent many years with an image of God who was "a very serious, workaholic type of God." And even when her theology told her this was not true, she struggled to live into this new way of thinking. What she needed was a childlike spirituality. In this book, Christine Sine, online host of the Godspace community, invites us to pay attention to childlike characteristics that have the power to reshape us. Each chapter addresses a childlike characteristic to embrace, including delight, playfulness, imagination, awe and wonder, love of nature, the ability to live in the present, and much more. Fresh spiritual practices that engage all our senses help us live a new spiritual life that embraces the wonder and joy that God intends for us.

    Episode 268: The One, The Three and The Many

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 14, 2019 29:34


    In this episode we talk about the Christian doctrine of the Trinity and it's connection to reality and everyday life. We reference a book by our friend Glenn Scrivener. You can find it here: https://www.amazon.com/Story-God-World-You/dp/1909611948.

    Episode 267: Game of Thrones and the End of Empathy

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 6, 2019 31:07


    In this episode we discuss our thoughts on the Game of Thrones Finale and a recent Invisibilia episode on empathy. You can find the Invisibilia episode we reference here: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/11/712276022/the-end-of-empathy.

    Episode 266: Can a Command be a Gift?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2019 28:43


    In this episode we continue to talk about the moral life, with some theological help from Karl Barth and John Milbank. We also talk a bit about Game of Thrones, and consider the reactions to the untimely and sad death of Rachel Held Evans.

    Episode 265: The Battle of the Dead and the Source of Life

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2019 32:53


    In this episode we talk Game of Thrones, legalism and antinominiasm, in that order pretty much.

    Episode 264: Is The Christian Life Worth Living?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2019 49:46


    Check out this crossover episode we did with our friends from Crackers and Grapejuice in New York City. We talk about the nature of the Christian life and what it means to live it.

    Episode 263: Christological Exegesis?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 21, 2019 45:31


    In this episode, inspired by a post on Facebook by our friend Kenneth Tanner, we talk about how Christians ought to read the Hebrew Bible, which we call the Old Testament.

    Episode 262: Navigating Social Change

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 14, 2019 28:46


    In this episode, inspired by revelations about Joe Biden's "touchiness", we talk about changing norms and navigating social change.

    Episode 261: Bullgeschichte, with Adam Borneman

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2019 58:09


    In this Bullgeschichte episode we're joined by Adam Borneman. He's a Presbyterian minister (PCUSA) and the Program Director of Macedonia Ministries. We talk about 19th century theology, the relevance of the Gospel for public life, and a host of other things. Special Guest: Adam Borneman.

    Episode 260: The Prodigal God

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2019 32:12


    In this episode we talk about the parable of The Prodigal Son, found in Luke 15. We consider what roles we play in it at different parts in our public and private lives, and how it speaks to them all.

    Episode 259: The Mueller Malaise, Part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2019 28:41


    In this episode we continue to discuss the Mueller Report now that Attorney General Barr's summary of it has been made public.

    Episode 258: Are We Heading For Mueller Malaise?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2019 22:35


    We recorded this episode a half hour before the release of the summary of the Mueller report by U.S. Attorney General William Barr. We talk about it what it might mean for the country. We also talk about how people generally deal with uncertainty.

    Episode 257: The Person vs The Principle

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2019 28:39


    In this episode, inspired by a piece published on the site of our friends over at Mockingbird, we talk about the relationship of the person of Christ to principles that we devise and even cherish. You can find the piece we reference, written by Jared Jones, here: https://mbird.com/2019/03/the-living-christ-and-the-principle-of-grace/.

    Episode 256: Our Culture of Contempt

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 16, 2019 34:11


    In this episode, inspired by NY Times op-ed piece, we talk about the problem of contemptuousness in our culture. You can find the NY Times piece we discuss here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/opinion/sunday/political-polarization.html.

    Episode 255: The Methodist Church Controversy

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2019 42:53


    In this episode, after a few minutes talking news, we turn to the recent controversy about sexuality and LGBT inclusion in the United Methodist Church.

    Episode 254: The Visible and the Invisible

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2019 27:42


    In this episode we talk about the visible and invisible church, and our ideals and the church's realities.

    Episode 253: Facts Don't Change People's Minds

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 19, 2019 28:30


    In this episode, inspired by something we read online, we talk about the inability of facts to change minds. If facts are stubborn things, are our minds even more stubborn? Why is this the case? You can find the article we reference here. (https://heleo.com/facts-dont-change-peoples-minds-heres/16242/)

    Episode 252: The Righteous and The Woke...Flip Sides of the Same Coin?

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 9, 2019 42:20


    In this episode, inspired by a piece written by Valerie Tarico, we talk about the strange similarities between some types of conservative evangelicals and woke activists. Most people wouldn't see these groups having much in common. But does their particular sort of tribalism make their similarities greater than their differences? You can find Valerie Tarico's piece here: http://new.exchristian.net/2019/02/the-righteousness-and-woke-why.html.

    Episode 251: Talking Theology, Culture and Counter-Culture with Dave Fitch

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 5, 2019 65:26


    In this episode we talk with friend and always interesting interlocutor David Fitch. Dave is a theologian, pastor and church planter. He's also a self-described "Neo-Anabaptist." He also identifies as an evangelical Christian. We ask him about his Neo-Anabaptist theological vision and how it relates to the evangelical tradition in North America. Special Guest: David Fitch.

    Episode 250: 250!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2019 65:58


    In this our 250th episode, we are joined by our friend Matt Milliner. We discuss a host of issues and ideas and do a lot of laughing along the way. Special Guest: Matt Milliner.

    Episode 249: Grace is Grace

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 16, 2019 28:15


    In this episode we talk about grace. Specifically, we talk about the term common grace, and how to us grace always seems particular and special.

    Episode 248: What We Worry About

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 6, 2019 32:23


    In this episode we talk about the things that keep us up at night, and the things that don't.

    Episode 247: Origen, Irenaeus, and The Meaning of Christmas

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 24, 2018 27:26


    In this episode we consider two different ancient approaches to the meaning of redemption and the role of Jesus in it, and how it shapes our understanding of Christmas.

    Episode 246: Keep the Christendom in Christmas

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2018 27:10


    In this episode we talk about the blessing of Advent and Christmas traditions and the benefits of living in a culture even superficially shaped by the Christian story.

    Episode 245: Keeping The Faith

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2018 40:35


    In this episode we interact with a recent piece that appeared on the Gospel Coalition website. The author claims that there is slippery slope (or natural progression?) from progressive evangelical Christianity to atheism. We're less than convinced. You can find the piece, written by Alisa Childers, here: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/3-beliefs-progressive-christians-atheists-share/.

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