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In our bonus episode, Josh Chin and Liza Lin, authors of Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control, take the Gaslit Nation Self-Care Q&A. To hear the full bonus episode and get access to all bonus shows and more, support our independent journalism by joining our community of listeners at Patreon.com/Gaslit -- thank you to everyone who supports the show! We invite you to share your own inspiration with our community! Take the Gaslit Nation Self-Care Q&A by leaving your answers in the comments section or email GaslitNation@gmail.com. We'll read some of your responses on the show! Gaslit Nation Self-Care Questionnaire What's a book you think everyone should read and why? What's a documentary everyone should watch and why? What's a dramatic film everyone should watch and why? Who are some historical mentors who inspire you? What's the best concert you've ever been to? What are some songs on your playlist for battling the dark forces? Who or what inspires you to stay engaged and stay in the fight? What's the best advice you've ever gotten? What's your favorite place you've ever visited? What's your favorite work of art and why?
Investigative reporters Josh Chin and Liza Lin, authors of the chilling book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control, share important insights into China's dictatorship, the Western companies cashing in on its surveillance state, how technology helps China carry out the Uyghur genocide, and what can be done about "dictator tech." With China determined to win the A.I. "space race," what does that mean for the rest of the world? Based in Seoul, Josh Chin is the Deputy Bureau Chief of China for the Wall Street Journal. An award-winning investigative journalist, Chin was expelled from China for his reporting. Based in Singapore, Liza Lin, also an award-winning investigative journalist, covers data use and privacy for the Wall Street Journal. She previously worked for Bloomberg News. In our bonus episode, for Patreon supporters who make our show possible, Josh Chin and Liza Lin take the Gaslit Nation Self-Care Q&A. We invite you to share your own inspiration with our community! Take the Gaslit Nation Self-Care Q&A by leaving your answers in the comments section or email GaslitNation@gmail.com. We'll read some of your responses on the show! Gaslit Nation Self-Care Questionnaire What's a book you think everyone should read and why? What's a documentary everyone should watch and why? What's a dramatic film everyone should watch and why? Who are some historical mentors who inspire you? What's the best concert you've ever been to? What are some songs on your playlist for battling the dark forces? Who or what inspires you to stay engaged and stay in the fight? What's the best advice you've ever gotten? What's your favorite place you've ever visited? What's your favorite work of art and why?
Josh Chin is the Deputy Bureau Chief for China at the Wall Street Journal and the coauthor with Liza Lin of the book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:38Describing Xinjiang - 2:38Social Engineering - 11:21Privacy in China - 19:08AI in China - 28:23Key LinksSurveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control by Josh Chin and Liza LinRead more from Josh Chin in the Wall Street Journal"The Mandarin in the Machine" A review of Surveillance State in Journal of Democracy by Will DobsonAdditional InformationDemocracy Paradox PodcastMore shows from The Democracy Group
Liza Lin, a reporter at the Wall Street Journal, is the co-author, with Josh Chin, of Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control. She discusses the Chinese Communist Party's efforts to use technology to spur prosperity, quash dissent, and—above all—maintain its grip on power.
This week on Intelligence Matters, Michael Morell speaks with Wall Street Journal reporters Liza Lin and Josh Chin about their new book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control. Their new reporting examines how China's data collection goes beyond that of other countries as China seeks to create a model to export as an alternative to democratic governance. Lin and Chin detail Silicon Valley's involvement in the buildup of China's surveillance state and how the technology is used to surveil Uyghurs in Xinjiang. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
From Singapore, Liza Lin discusses "Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control," co-authored with Josh Chin and based on their reporting for The Wall Street Journal.
Last week, the Chinese government under President Xi Jinping took steps to finally move away from its zero-COVID policy, following two weeks of protests in multiple cities. The unrest and anti-government sentiment was perhaps the most pronounced since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. And while these events gave Western observers an opportunity to grapple with the complexity of Chinese politics, generational and regional differences in the views of the population, and ultimately how the authoritarian government responds to public pressure, it also gave us a chance to see how the Chinese censorship and surveillance apparatus operates. This week's Tech Policy Press podcast comes in two parts. In both, we'll hear from reporters covering the intersection of China and technology. This is the first part, and it features a conversation with Liza Lin, a Reporter at The Wall Street Journal. She covers Asia technology news for the Journal from Singapore. Before that she was the paper's China correspondent, based in Shanghai. She was part of a team at the Journal to named as Pulitzer Finalists for the International Reporting category in 2021 for coverage of Chinese leader Xi Jinping, and with other Journal reporters won the Gerald Loeb Award for International Reporting in 2018 for a series of stories on China's Surveillance state. She's co-author of a book on that subject titled Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control, with Josh Chin.
China has built the world's largest and most intrusive surveillance system to monitor the behavior of its people. Millions of cameras, vast databases, and sophisticated online filters work together to form a seemingly omnipresent matrix that overwatches every aspect of daily life.While China may have pioneered the use of many of these new technologies, today, they are by no means alone. In fact, Chinese companies are now bringing their technology and surveillance expertise to countries around the world -- particularly in the Global South.Wall Street Journal reporters Liza Lin and Josh Chin, authors of the new book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control, join Eric & Cobus to discuss the appeal of China's surveillance technology and how much of Beijing's model can be replicated in other developing countries.JOIN THE DISCUSSION:Twitter: @ChinaGSProject| @stadenesque | @eric_olander | @joshchin | @lizalinwsjFacebook: www.facebook.com/ChinaAfricaProjectFOLLOW CAP IN FRENCH AND ARABIC:Français: www.projetafriquechine.com | @AfrikChineعربي: www.akhbaralsin-africia.com | @AkhbarAlSinAfrJOIN US ON PATREON!Become a CAP Patreon member and get all sorts of cool stuff, including our Week in Review report, an invitation to join monthly Zoom calls with Eric & Cobus, and even an awesome new CAP Podcast mug!www.patreon.com/chinaafricaprojectSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
China has built the world's largest and most intrusive surveillance system to monitor the behavior of its people. Millions of cameras, vast databases, and sophisticated online filters work together to form a seemingly omnipresent matrix that overwatches every aspect of daily life.While China may have pioneered the use of many of these new technologies, today, they are by no means alone. In fact, Chinese companies are now bringing their technology and surveillance expertise to countries around the world -- particularly in the Global South.Wall Street Journal reporters Liza Lin and Josh Chin, authors of the new book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control, join Eric & Cobus to discuss the appeal of China's surveillance technology and how much of Beijing's model can be replicated in other developing countries.JOIN THE DISCUSSION:Twitter: @ChinaGSProject| @stadenesque | @eric_olander | @joshchin | @lizalinwsjFacebook: www.facebook.com/ChinaAfricaProjectFOLLOW CAP IN FRENCH AND ARABIC:Français: www.projetafriquechine.com | @AfrikChineعربي: www.akhbaralsin-africia.com | @AkhbarAlSinAfrJOIN US ON PATREON!Become a CAP Patreon member and get all sorts of cool stuff, including our Week in Review report, an invitation to join monthly Zoom calls with Eric & Cobus, and even an awesome new CAP Podcast mug!www.patreon.com/chinaafricaproject
Links from the show:* Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control* A Shot to Save the World podcast* Connect with Josh on Twitter* Connect with Ryan on Twitter* Subscribe to the newsletterAbout my guest:Josh Chin is deputy bureau chief responsible for politics and general news in The Wall Street Journal's China bureau.Prior to his current role, Josh spent six years as a politics reporter in China covering law, civil society, and government use of technology. He is a recipient of the Dan Bolles Medal and led an investigative team that won the Gerald Loeb Award for international reporting in 2018. He is the co-author, with Journal reporter Liza Lin, of "Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control" (2022, St. Martin's Press).Josh started reporting for the Journal in 2008 as a freelance video journalist in Beijing and also spent several years editing the newspaper's China blog. He began his career an editorial assistant at the Park Record, in Park City, Utah Get full access to Dispatches from the War Room at dispatchesfromthewarroom.substack.com/subscribe
This conversation features author Josh Chin and New Yorker journalist Evan Osnos discussing both of their books before a live audience at the Kentucky Author Forum on September 29th, 2022 at the Kentucky Center in Louisville. Josh Chin wrote “Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control” with fellow Wall Street Journal writer, Liza Lin. He tells the gripping story of how China's Communist Party is building a new kind of political control: shaping the will of the people through the sophisticated—and often brutal—harnessing of data. For more than a decade, Chin has covered politics and tech in China for The Wall Street Journal. He led an investigative team that won The Gerald Loeb Award for international reporting in 2018 for a series exposing the Chinese government's pioneering embrace of digital surveillance. He was named a National Fellow at New America in 2020, and is a recipient of the Don Bolles Medal, awarded to investigative journalists who have exhibited courage in standing up against intimidation. Evan Osnos joined The New Yorker as a staff writer in 2008 and covers politics and foreign affairs. His book “Age of Ambition: Chasing Fortune, Truth, and Faith in the New China'', is based on eight years of living in Beijing. “Age of Ambition'' won the 2014 National Book Award and was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. Previously, Osnos worked as Beijing Bureau Chief for the Chicago Tribune, where he was part of a team that won a 2008 Pulitzer Prize in Investigative Reporting. He is a CNN contributor and a frequent guest on The Daily Show, Fresh Air, and other programs.
Where is the line between digital utopia and digital police state? In "Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control", award-winning Wall Street Journal journalists Josh Chin and Liza Lin document with startling detail how the CCP is creating a political model that shapes the will of the people not through the ballot box but through the sophisticated harnessing of data. Josh Chin and Liza Lin joined MIGS to discuss their new book. The virtual event was moderated by Kyle Matthews.
The Chinese government forcibly collects biometric markers like fingerprints, facial images, and DNA of Xinjiang residents, where 12 million Uyghurs live. In recent years, the country has expanded and improved its surveillance capabilities. This week on Intercepted: investigative reporter Mara Hvistendahl speaks with Josh Chin and Liza Lin, reporters for the Wall Street Journal, about their new book, “Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control.” In their book, Chin and Lin break down the international implications of the Chinese government's adoption of surveillance technology. Hvistendahl, Chin, and Lin discuss techno-dystopia in the pandemic era, what happens when there are no checks on algorithms, and how Western companies helped the Chinese government build the surveillance state from day one. join.theintercept.com/donate/now Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Last week, Optus notified the media and its customers that personal data had been compromised in a cyber attack. The compromised data included names, dates of birth, postal addresses, drivers licence and passport numbers. Fergus Hanson and Jocelinn Kang discuss the implications of this breach, the dangers of cyber attacks on critical infrastructure, and why Australia should consider prohibiting the payment of ransom demands. Since 2017, Wall Street Journal's Liza Lin and Josh Chin have been covering the CCP's increasing use of surveillance technology to control society, which is featured in their new book ‘Surveillance State'. Dr Samantha Hoffman speaks to Liza and Josh about the use of surveillance tech in smart cities and the challenges of reporting on China following their expulsion. Olivia Nelson speaks to Lisa Sharland about the prospects for UN reform and what the reforms might look like, why the UN remains relevant and key outcomes from the UN General Assembly's High-level Week. Mentioned in this episode: ‘Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control' : https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250821386/surveillancestate Guests: Fergus Hanson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/fergus-hanson Jocelinn Kang: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/jocelinn-kang Dr Samantha Hoffman: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/samantha-hoffman Josh Chin: https://www.wsj.com/news/author/josh-chin Liza Lin: https://www.wsj.com/news/author/liza-lin Olivia Nelson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/olivia-nelson Lisa Sharland: https://www.stimson.org/ppl/lisa-sharland/
Wall Street Journal Deputy Bureau Chief for China and author Josh Chin joins Tim to talk about his new book he co-authored with fellow WSJ journalist Liza Lin. It's called “Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control.” Josh tells about how China has led the way into a new era of mass surveillance on a scale the world has never seen. And it's not limited to China. https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/shapingopinion/Surveillance_State_auphonic.mp3 The idea of an authoritarian state spying on its citizens is nothing new. Many are alive today who can still remember the secret police of East Germany and their middle of the night raids. There are even a few who still remember the Nazis. And of course, the Soviet Union had its KGB. In these countries, spies could be anywhere, and on top of that, you could never be entirely sure you could completely trust some friends or family. But the difference between totalitarian governments of the past and the ones emerging today centers on people. You just don't need as many, or sometimes any, if you're a totalitarian regime who wants to spy on your people to control them. You don't need as many of those secret police or snitches to get the information you want. Today, the difference is, in a word, technology. And nowhere is this more evident than in China. Josh Chin wrote a book that we will talk about today, and in it, he says that by the start of 2020 – by the start of the pandemic – there were almost 350 million cameras installed on Chinese streets, in public squares, in subway stations and around buildings. There were more than 840 million smartphones throughout the country in the purses and pockets of individuals. Each collecting and transmitting data on its user back to a central database. Organizing it to create a profile on the behaviors of each person. In China, mobile payment systems log millions of transactions every day, and send that data back into the system, further completing the state's picture of each individual. For Chinese citizens, where you go, what you do, what you buy, the questions you ask search engines, all of it paints a mosaic of you for the authoritarian government. That profile is so full of data, so full of analysis, that the artificial intelligence platforms that follow you, may know you better than you know yourself in some respects. And perhaps even more chilling, the predictive analytics built into these platforms are quite effective at predicting what you will do next. Machines that learn, not shadowy spies, can now listen, see and even think on an entirely new level. Harvesting data. And judging you. Imagine the power that would give an authoritarian government. Well, you don't have to, it's here. It's the power of Big Brother from George Orwell's prescient book, “1984.” But Josh Chin thinks there's another book that may have been even more prophetic. It was written in Russia just over 100 years ago, and it's called simply, “We.” Links Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control, by Josh Chin and Liza Lin (Barnes & Noble) Two Faces of China's Surveillance State, Wall Street Journal Josh Chin's Website About this Episode's Guest Josh Chin Josh Chin is an award-winning journalist and author who has spent almost two decades documenting the rise of China, mostly for The Wall Street Journal. Josh was hired by the Journal to cover the Beijing Olympics as a freelance video journalist in 2008. He later joined the paper full time to run its China blog, China Real Time, which covered the country's development in every facet, from the delightful to the deadly serious. He switched to reporting on Chinese politics in 2013, covering Xi Jinping's crackdown on dissent, the activities of Chinese military hackers, and China's race to build technologies of the future. In 2017, Josh teamed up with fellow Journal reporter Liza Lin and other colleagu...
Wall Street Journal Deputy China Bureau Chief Josh Chin and Wall Street Journal China Correspondent Liza Lin on their book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social ControlHosts: Carol Massar and Tim Stenovec. Producer: Paul Brennan. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Wall Street Journal Deputy China Bureau Chief Josh Chin and Wall Street Journal China Correspondent Liza Lin on their book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social ControlHosts: Carol Massar and Tim Stenovec. Producer: Paul Brennan. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Liza Lin covers Asia technology news for the Wall Street Journal, and she has co-written the book "Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control." Andi Buerger, the founder of Voices Against Trafficking, discusses a major sex trafficking bust in Florida. Plus we note Constitution Day (September 17th).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This week on Sinica, Wall Street Journal reporters Josh Chin and Liza Lin join the program to discuss their new book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control. From Urumqi to Uganda and from Hangzhou to the Bronx, the book explores every facet of technological surveillance from the technocratic mindset that birthed it to its spread, with Beijing's help, to many countries of the developing world. But it also examines the role that U.S. tech companies played in giving rise to it.6:05 – The story of Tahir Hamut: a Uyghur poet living under Xinjiang's surveillance state 12:50 – Will the Xinjiang model for surveillance be expanded to other parts of China? 16:37 – Is China actively pushing other countries to adopt its surveillance state practices? 23:26 – The case of Hangzhou: the benefits of the “smart city” model 27:17 – Is there a fundamental difference between the concept of “privacy” in China and the West? 30:55 – How Xu Bing's film uses surveillance footage35:39 – What accounts for Chinese society's changing views on privacy?40:12 – China's tendency to apply an “engineering” mindset to fixing social problems47:57 – Assessing US companies' role in enabling Chinese surveillance 52:27 – Devising a policy that effectively bans hardware used for Xinjiang surveillance1:01:03 – China's new laws on digital data protection1:05:05 – What the social credit system's popular narrative gets wrong 1:10:40 – An example of Chinese propaganda fabricating the surveillance system's success 1:14:29 – The future of privacy protection in China and the WestA full transcript of this podcast is available at TheChinaProject.com.Recommendations:Liza: The Mayo Clinic Guide to a Healthy PregnancyJosh: The Backstreets: A Novel from Xinjiang by Perhat Tursun (translated by Darren Byler), a short novel about life for Uyghurs in modern China; The Wok: Recipes and Techniques: by Kenji LopezKaiser: After the Ivory Tower Falls: How College Broke the American Dream and Blew Up Our Politics and How to Fix It by Will BunchSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
When Americans hear about surveillance in China, it is usually through a dystopian lens. There is good reason for that—in the west of the country, the Uighur minority has been persecuted with unprecedented technological force. In a new book, “Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control” veteran Wall Street Journal reporters Josh Chin and Liza Lin aim to expand that lens, to “help people grasp state surveillance in its totality.” They ask how the Chinese government's deployment of AI-powered tools of social control can actually be alluring and useful to everyday people, even as it is nightmarish to those caught in its algorithmic teeth. Guests: Josh Chin, deputy bureau chief in China, The Wall Street Journal Liza Lin, data use and privacy journalist, The Wall Street Journal
Josh Chin, Wall Street Journal Deputy Bureau Chief in Beijing and co-author of Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control, discusses just how effective the Chinese panopticon is, delivering government services to some, as it oppresses others. Plus, the special master decision gets a special appeal, and Queen Elizabeth's passing results in an international outpouring. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit: https://advertisecast.com/TheGist Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Josh Chin and Lisa Lin, the authors of “Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control and journalists at the Wall Street Journal, join Scott to discuss the following: How China operates as a surveillance state The role Silicon Valley has played in the development of state surveillance around the world what to consider when it comes to US-China bilateral relations. Scott opens with his thoughts on Apple becoming the leading smartphone provider in the US as well as its plans to move further into the digital ad space. Algebra of happiness: tell someone you admire them. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices