Sellin' Out

SOUL GLO on BANDCAMPRID OF ME on BANDCAMPSECRET PLOT on BANDCAMPMUSIC FROM THE SHOWMike Moschetto & West Lentz, "Swan song of a failed state" (from  Today, like every other day, we wake up empty and frightened)Soul Glo, "Screamo del Barrio (ft. Juanchizeta)" (from DisNigga, Vol. 1)Soul Glo, "31" (from The Nigga in Me Is Me)Soul Glo, "(Quietly) Do the Right Thing" (from Songs to Yeet at the Sun)Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADInstagram: @sellinoutpodcastCover photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

PRE-SAVE "THE ONES WHO FELL THROUGH" ON SPOTIFYMUSIC FROM THE SHOW:Narrowcast, "The Ones Who Fell Through"Transit, "Changing Season" (from This Will Not Define Us)Long Lost, "Egg Drop (unreleased instrumental rough mix)"Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADInstagram: @sellinoutpodcastCover photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

DREAMWELL | BANDCAMPMUSIC FROM THE SHOW:Dreamwell, "A Crouching Tiger Waits for Prey That Never Comes" (from Modern Grotesque)Dreamwell, "You Dream't of Me, I Dream't of a Mountain of Salt" (from Modern Grotesque)Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADInstagram: @sellinoutpodcastCover photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

REALLY FROM | TOPSHELF RECORDSZUMIX (CLICK TO DONATE)MUSIC FROM THE SHOW:Really From, "Hackensack Hospital" (from Verse)Really From, "The Baker" (from Verse)Really From, "Your Third Act" (from "This is what you learned.")Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADInstagram: @sellinoutpodcastCover photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

Yvette Young is a multi-instrumentalist & songwriter best known for her virtuosic guitar playing in the math-rock band Covet, whose excellent new album technicolor is out next Friday, June 5th via Triple Crown Records.  She joined me to discuss her signature model Ibanez guitar, the live-stream gig phenomenon and her fondness for Russian people.PREORDER COVET'S NEW ALBUM TECHNICOLORGETUSPPE.ORGMUSIC FROM THE SHOW:Covet, "nero" (from technicolor)Covet, "parachute" (from technicolor)Covet, "Howl" (from Effloresce)Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADInstagram: @sellinoutpodcastCover photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

Jake Woodruff is a guitarist for New England-based acts Defeater and Dreamtigers, as well as for his wife Aisha Burns and other bands like Heartscape Landbreak and Thor & Friends. I caught up with him from his current digs in San Antonio, TX and I asked him: are pandemics are bigger in Texas, too? What's with all the 2-week regional tours? When do you expect to be able to incite spinkicks and windmills again?DEFEATERHC.COM GETUSPPE.ORGMUSIC FROM THE SHOWDefeater, "All Roads" (from Defeater)Defeater, "No Kind of Home" (from Empty Days & Sleepless Nights)Dreamtigers, "Keep Time" (from split 7" w/ Colin Bugbee)Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADInstagram: @sellinoutpodcastCover photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

Greg Marquis is the vocalist of Boston-area post-hardcore mainstays Actor|Observer, who record for the No Sleep label. He also spearheads (Allston-Brighton) Artist Impact, a civic organization advocating for working class creative people in the Boston metro area. We talk at length about those grassroots political efforts, but also discuss the pay-what-you-want digital download pricing scheme, majoring in Music Industry in college, getting your mom on board with Slipknot and much more.ACTOROBSERVER.COM | ARTIST IMPACT - TWITTERGETUSPPE.ORGMUSIC FROM THE SHOWActor|Observer, "Cargo Cult"Actor|Observer, "Dilettante" (from Pareidolia)Actor|Observer, "Glass Eye" (from The Longer Now)Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADInstagram: @sellinoutpodcastCover photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

Shameless solo music plugs | Get Us PPE | B-52s meet Blood Brothers | Boss is a dick | A little friction | "You don't get it back" | Waiting on stimulus | Immobilized | The bigger the event, the grimmer the outlook | "They know they're complicit" | Living large at the Seether gig | Before times | "I'm not my target audience" |MUSIC FROM THE SHOWMike Moschetto & West Lentz, "Swan Song of a Failed State" (from Today, like every other day, we wake up empty and frightened)ma.gra.thea & Mike Moschetto, "Hardly"Lokella, "Make Us Holy" (from Censory Overload)Fine Fine Titans, "Fahrenheit Diaries" (from Omega)Lokella, "Good Girls, Like You" (from Censory Overload)Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADInstagram: @sellinoutpodcastCover art photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

Everyone's been looking for a viral hit, but this is not what they had in mind. We check in on the state of musicians, DIY and not, as the global economy and the institutions that were ostensibly meant to save us gradually wither away in the presence of the microscopic menace known as SARS-CoV-2.

| Kind King & Amory Sivertson previews | "I wouldn't let my 15-year-old tour" | A million emails | Hellhammer's exacting setup | I'm no teacher | "CeeLo?!" | Bootleg Rihanna merch as seed funding | "That looks fun" | Got out at the right time | Three sites instead of one |

Keep the lights on | Blunders | "Well I just open my wallet" | Digging holes in the ground | Comedians stop taking the bus | Every last beer | Taste case | Cutting into your margins | Blind spots | Check out TALKING IN CIRCLES: CONVERSATIONS WITH CASPIAN Apple Podcasts / Spotify / Google PodcastsMUSIC FROM THIS EPISODE: Caspian, "Onsra" (from On Circles) SUPPORT THE ARTIST: Caspian.band Stream/buy 'On Circles' Triple Crown RecordsSUPPORT THE SHOW: Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify Sellin' Out on Patreon Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Photography: Nick DiNatale Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (from The New Sidewalk)

“Slept in my clothes” | Small world | The breadth of competition | “It’s casting, it’s Hollywood” | Killing it at “Hot Cross Buns” | Pity for drummers | “Keep her out of the shot” | Avoiding scurvy on tour | Autodidactic tradition | “Any sucker can learn the notes” | Sliding scale, trending upward |MUSIC FROM THE SHOW:Hunter Valentine, "Sick Sister" (from The Pledge)Shiragirl, "We Are the Underground" (from Andi Underground)Poison Idea, "Just to Get Away" (from Feel the Darkness)LEANNEKBOWES.COM | @leannekbowes on InstagramCheck out the entire Sellin’ Out playlist on SpotifySupport the show on PatreonEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADCover art photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, “No Cab Fare” (from The New Sidewalk)

All grown up | Special little genius boy | Cleaning puke and toilet stalls | “Believe me, we’re NOT paying them” | Noodle disagrees | Cloning by 2025 | Another 'Always Sunny' reference | Napster & Kazaa | Many alter-egos | Downward dog | “None of this is professionalism” | Room for growth | Black Hole, USAMUSIC FROM THE SHOW:Perspective, A Lovely Hand To Hold, “The Gang Goes On Tour” (from Lousy)Perspective, A Lovely Hand To Hold, “Subject to Change” (from Lousy)Perspective, A Lovely Hand To Hold, “Upstream” (from Autonomy)Check out the entire Sellin’ Out playlist on SpotifyGET ‘LOUSY’ (THE NEW PALHTH RECORD)SUPPORT PALHTHSupport the showEmail: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.comTwitter: @SellinOutADCover art photo by Nick DiNataleTheme music: Such Gold, “No Cab Fare” (from The New Sidewalk)

Ava Luna is a New York City-based group so eclectic, to simply call them "indie" or "pop" or "indie pop" would do a disservice to their blend of funk, punk and electronic music. I caught up with Julian Fader (drums), Felicia Douglass (vocals/synths) and Becca Kauffman (vocals/synths, a.k.a. Jennifer Vanilla) on release day for their latest full-length Moon 2 and chatted with them about wanting more out of touring, making the most of your band's hiatus and the allure of Times Square. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Ava Luna, "Set It Off" (from Moon 2) Ava Luna, "Childish" (from Moon 2) Ava Luna, "Centerline" (from Moon 2) Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify SUPPORT AVA LUNA SUPPORT JENNIFER VANILLA JENNIFER VANILLA x TIMES SQUARE (via Instagram) BENEFIT SHOW FOR STEPH DIBONA Support the show Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Episode transcripts Photo by Nick DiNatale Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare"

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Justine Bowe is a singer-songwriter, vocalist and keyboard player from the Boston area. She was a member of the pop group Magic Man, with whom she played some insanely huge rooms to insanely huge crowds. Now she's focusing on getting her solo project Photocomfort to the same towering heights. Or is she??? We attempt to get to the bottom of this and other mysteries, like if it's possible to separate your onstage & offstage selves, the division of labor in fulltime creative gigs and whether to identify people by what they do for work or for fun. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Photocomfort, "Gillian Jacobs' understudy" (from Understudy) Photocomfort, "Hit, Run" Photocomfort, "Holy Ropes" (from Photocomfort) RARE Check out the entire Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify SUPPORT PHOTOCOMFORT Support the show Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Episode transcripts Photo by Nick DiNatale Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare"

John Snyder is a musician, a Ph.D candidate at Boston University and frankly to call him a tinkerer would be selling him very short. He's always comin to me talmbout "capacitors" and "resistors" and "impedances" and "headroom" and all this mumbo-jumbo, so instead of all that this is my attempt to probe for how he made a growing reputation for himself in the artisanal guitar gear community through his pedal company, Electronic Audio Experiments. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Native Wildlife, "Void Song" (from Native Wildlife) Native Wildlife, "Fears" (from Native Wildlife) Ember Wreath, "V" (from If I Stop Moving, I'll Die) View the whole Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify SUPPORT ELECTRONIC AUDIO EXPERIMENTS SUPPORT EMBER WREATH SUPPORT NATIVE WILDLIFE (RIP) Support the show Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Sellin' Out blog (including transcripts) Photo by Nick DiNatale Theme Music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare"

Dylan Hanwright and Malia Seavey joined me from The Wormhole, Dylan's recording studio, show space and residence in Seattle. Dylan plays guitar in Great Grandpa and several other bands, including the recently-reformed-just-to-break-up-again I Kill Giants. Malia is a designer, screenprinter and multitalented musician who sings in Salt Lick and drums in Dogbreth. We talked about video game music, Berklee and how things get rolling until the band is bigger than you alone. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: I Kill Giants, "Collector" (from I Kill Giants) Great Grandpa, "Expert Eraser" (from Plastic Cough) Salt Lick, "Surrender" View the whole Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify SUPPORT GREAT GRANDPA SUPPORT SALT LICK SUPPORT APPLES WITH MOYA SUPPORT DOGBRETH SUPPORT TRASHLORD SUPPORT SUPER PROJECTION SUPPORT LOGFELLA SUPPORT SLOTHFELLA Support the show Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Sellin' Out blog (including transcripts) Photo by Nick DiNatale Theme Music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare"

Eric is the guitarist and de facto bandleader of Au Revoir, a post-rock (and by turns post-metal) band with members converging in New Jersey from far-flung corners of the US. You might know them as the band who climbed on each others' shoulders and stuck a huge dildo way up on Cloud Gate (aka The Bean) in Chicago, but you may also know them by their highly ambitious tour schedule, so we talked about going intercontinental, using your band's van as your daily driver and the oversaturation of DIY resources. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Au Revoir, "Reverie" (from Singles EP) Au Revoir, "The Bottom" (from Veles) Au Revoir, "Deluge" (from Veles) View the whole Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify SUPPORT AU REVOIR SUPPORT WHAT OF US SUPPORT LOW LIGHT (if they ever put up music) Support the show Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Sellin' Out blog (including transcripts) Photography by Nick DiNatale Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare"

And now for something completely different: Mile Twelve is a folk, bluegrass & Americana group based in Boston, but with roots all over the country and indeed the world. Massachusettsian guitarist Evan Murphy and New Zealand-raised banjo extraordinaire BB Bowness joined me at One Sellin' Out Plaza to discuss how their music is perceived differently from region to region, their decidedly un-Shatneresque cover of Elton John's "Rocket Man," and also roasting me for not knowing who Del McCoury is even though I claim to "like bluegrass." MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Mile Twelve, "Call My Soul" (from Onwards) Mile Twelve, "Onwards" (from Onwards) Mile Twelve, "The Margaret Keane" (from Onwards) View the whole Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify SUPPORT MILE TWELVE (seriously they already have dates into 2019 go see them) Support the show Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Sellin' Out blog (including transcripts) Photo by Nick DiNatale Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare"

THIS IS A FREE PREVIEW OF BONUS SELLIN' OUT CONTENT. TO UNLOCK FUTURE BONUS SHOWS VISIT PATREON...AND THANKS! This past spring saw the eviction and subsequent displacement of over 200 tenants of the EMF Building, a rehearsal studio/arts complex in Cambridge, MA. Ben Simon, a former EMF tenant and organizer with Cambridge Artists Coalition, joined me to discuss the underlying issues that allowed this to happen, the activism that has arisen in response and whether it will ultimately have any effect. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Toby Tantrum, "A City Is Not a Dormitory" (from Community for Those Who Can Afford It) View the whole Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify CONTRIBUTE TO LEGAL FEES FOR SAVE EMF SAVE EMF GROUP ON FACEBOOK Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Sellin' Out blog (including transcripts) Photo by Hannes Meier

Anthony Gesa plays guitar in Gatherers, one of the best current bands in the oddly specific screamo/post-rock/post-hardcore milieu. He also works with the record label and management firm Party Smasher Inc. and spent the better part of two years on the road with The Dillinger Escape Plan as they traveled the world on their farewell tour. We talked about how love interests can guide our musical decision making for better or worse, the foolhardiness (or not?) of vocational training for the music business, and being warned not to walk around sightseeing in India. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Gatherers, "The Floorboards Are Breathing" Pastlives, "Sol Invictus" Ornaments, "Sick at Heart" View the whole Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify SUPPORT GATHERERS SUPPORT PARTY SMASHER Support the show Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Sellin' Out blog (including transcripts) Photo by Nick DiNatale Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare"

Dan Thompson sings and plays guitar in the post-hardcore band Sparrows, straight outta Ontario. Dan is Canadian but I don't hold that against him. He joined me at One Sellin' Out Plaza to provide a crucial international perspective, like how back home he and his wife could have a baby and not be in debt to a private hospital system for like 10 years but I think I cut that part out because being debt-free is extremely not punk. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Sparrows, "If We Make It Over the Mountain" (from Let The Silence Stay Where It Was) Sparrows, "Carrying On With A Modern Lifespan" (from Let The Silence Stay Where It Was) Sparrows, "Teething" (from Let The Silence Stay Where It Was) View the whole Sellin' Out playlist on Spotify SUPPORT SPARROWS Support the show Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Sellin' Out blog (including transcripts) Podcast photo by Nick DiNatale Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare"

Michael Pfohl is the brains behind the Tennessee-based emo band Secret Stuff, as well as a local promoter in Nashville and booking agent for other touring artists. He joined me in the studio (a.k.a. my living room a.k.a. One Sellin' Out Plaza) to discuss the legal nuances of hosting hundreds of punk shows at a place you rent, to encourage owning up to your lofty ambitions, and to convince me to invest in cryptocurrency (which I did and it has stressed me out ever since). MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Secret Stuff, "Maybe You Love Me. Maybe You Floridon't" (from Learning Not to Care) Low Mass, "The Long Morrow" (from Sleepwalker) Secret Stuff, "Ew, You Taste Like Cigarettes" (from split w/ Sundressed) SUPPORT SECRET STUFF: secretstuffemo.bandcamp.com SUPPORT LOW MASS: lowmasstheband.bandcamp.com Support the show: patreon.com/sellinoutpodcast Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Podcast photo by Nick DiNatale (nickdinatale.com) Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (suchgold.bandcamp.com/track/food-court-blues)

Tim Williams was the vocalist, guitarist and primary creative force behind Our Lady, a now-defunct emo band from Springfield, IL that may not have been traditionally "big" but left a lasting impression wherever they went. Now Tim and his wife Molli own and operate Ritual Apparel, a clothing company and lifestyle brand for people involved in strength sports. We talk about the transition from putting your creative efforts toward a band to focusing on a brand. MUSIC FROM THE SHOW: Our Lady, "Guilt" (from 'Lure') Our Lady, "Wolf" (from 'split w/ Estates') Our Lady, "Coping" (from 'II') Our Lady, "Body" (from 'Lure') SUPPORT OUR LADY: http://ourlady.bandcamp.com SUPPORT RITUAL APPAREL: http://ritualhorde.org Support the show: http://patreon.com/sellinoutpodcast Email: sellinoutpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @SellinOutAD Blog: http://sellinout.tumblr.com Podcast photo by Nick DiNatale (http://nickdinatale.com) Theme music by Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (https://suchgold.bandcamp.com/track/no-cab-fare) Find a transcript of this episode: https://sellinout.tumblr.com/post/174897803356/transcript-for-episode-1