Podcasts about never say you can't survive

This week, Marshall, Nick, Brent, LP, and Wil talk about the last section of Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders. This is the last of several episodes in this series, so feel free to read along with us! Happy Holidays! Links mentioned during the show: Black Spec Report Fantasma Literary Magazine Voodoonauts Presents: (Re)Living Mythology Support the Show: Patreon Kofi Indie Bound Contact us! JustKeepWriting.org Discord Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Marshall: Website: www.marshallcarr.com Email: marshall@marshallcarr.com  Twitter: @darthpops  Nick:  Website: www.brightinks.org Email: nicholasbright@brightinks.org  Twitter: @BrightInks Wil:  Email: wil@justkeepwriting.org  Twitter: @wil_ralston Instagram: @wilsartrules Brent:  Twitter: @BrentCLambert @fiyahlitmag Fiyah Lit Magazine LP:  Email: lpkindred@wandering.shop Twitter: @LPKindred Linktr.ee/lpkindred  Now, just keep writing!  

This week, Marshall, Nick, Brent, LP, and Wil are back to talk section three of Never Say You Can't Survive by Charle Jane Anders. This is the sixth of several episodes in this series, so feel free to read along with us! Links mentioned during the show: Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders Support the Show: Patreon Kofi Indie Bound Contact us! JustKeepWriting.org Discord Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Marshall: Website: www.marshallcarr.com Email: marshall@marshallcarr.com  Twitter: @darthpops  Nick:  Website: www.brightinks.org Email: nicholasbright@brightinks.org  Twitter: @BrightInks Wil:  Email: wil@justkeepwriting.org  Twitter: @wil_ralston Instagram: @wilsartrules Brent:  Twitter: @BrentCLambert @fiyahlitmag Fiyah Lit Magazine LP:  Email: lpkindred@wandering.shop Twitter: @LPKindred Linktr.ee/lpkindred  Now, just keep writing!

This week, Marshall, Nick, Brent, LP, and Wil are back to talk section three of Never Say You Can't Survive by Charle Jane Anders. This is the fifth of several episodes in this series, so feel free to read along with us! Links mentioned during the show: Faithful Delirium by Brent Lambert Nominate LP and JKW Print Run Podcast Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders Support the Show: Patreon Kofi Indie Bound Contact us! JustKeepWriting.org Discord Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Marshall: Website: www.marshallcarr.com Email: marshall@marshallcarr.com  Twitter: @darthpops  Nick:  Website: www.brightinks.org Email: nicholasbright@brightinks.org  Twitter: @BrightInks Wil:  Email: wil@justkeepwriting.org  Twitter: @wil_ralston Instagram: @wilsartrules Brent:  Twitter: @BrentCLambert @fiyahlitmag Fiyah Lit Magazine LP:  Email: lpkindred@wandering.shop Twitter: @LPKindred Linktr.ee/lpkindred  Now, just keep writing!

This week, Marshall, Nick, Brent, LP, and Wil discuss section three of Never Say You Can't Survive by Charle Jane Anders. This is the fourth of several episodes in this series, so feel free to read along with us! Links mentioned during the show: The World of Juno: A secondary world history and anthology MoCon Faithful Delirium by Brent Lambert Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders Support the Show: Patreon Kofi Indie Bound Contact us! JustKeepWriting.org Discord Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Marshall: Website: www.marshallcarr.com Email: marshall@marshallcarr.com  Twitter: @darthpops  Nick:  Website: www.brightinks.org Email: nicholasbright@brightinks.org  Twitter: @BrightInks Wil:  Email: wil@justkeepwriting.org  Twitter: @wil_ralston Instagram: @wilsartrules Brent:  Twitter: @BrentCLambert @fiyahlitmag Fiyah Lit Magazine Now, just keep writing!

In this episode, we're taking a break from our usual craft book analysis and writing exercise because …Kim and Renee went on a writing retreat! We abandoned our spouses, kids, and cats for five days to hole up in a secluded Airbnb. We'll discuss our expectations, preparations and what we managed to accomplish on our little adventure. Besides the entertainment value, we're hoping our experiences will be useful and inspirational for when you plan your own get-this-damn-novel-written escape. Also on this episode, Kim interviews award winning science fiction author, Charlie Jane Anders about her recently published craft book, Never Say You Can't Survive.Want to hear more of our exercise workshop? We post the bonus podcast, SnarkNotes, and detailed write up of the exercises on our Words to Write by Patreon account.*Support this podcast on Patreon*

This week, Marshall, Nick, Brent, LP, and Wil discuss section two of Never Say You Can't Survive by Charle Jane Anders. This is the third of several episodes in this series, so feel free to read along with us! Links mentioned during the show: Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders Support the Show: Patreon Kofi Indie Bound Contact us! JustKeepWriting.org Discord Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Marshall: Website: www.marshallcarr.com Email: marshall@marshallcarr.com  Twitter: @darthpops  Nick:  Website: www.brightinks.org Email: nicholasbright@brightinks.org  Twitter: @BrightInks Wil:  Email: wil@justkeepwriting.org  Twitter: @wil_ralston Instagram: @wilsartrules Brent:  Twitter: @BrentCLambert @fiyahlitmag Fiyah Lit Magazine Now, just keep writing!

This week, Marshall, Nick, and Brent discuss section one of Never Say You Can't Survive by Charle Jane Anders. This is the second of several episodes in this series, so feel free to read along with us! Links mentioned during the show: Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders Support the Show: Patreon Kofi Indie Bound Contact us! JustKeepWriting.org Discord Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Marshall: Website: www.marshallcarr.com Email: marshall@marshallcarr.com  Twitter: @darthpops  Nick:  Website: www.brightinks.org Email: nicholasbright@brightinks.org  Twitter: @BrightInks Wil:  Email: wil@justkeepwriting.org  Twitter: @wil_ralston Instagram: @wilsartrules Brent:  Twitter: @BrentCLambert @fiyahlitmag Fiyah Lit Magazine Now, just keep writing!

This week, Marshall, Nick, Wil, and Brent discuss the introduction to Never Say You Can't Survive by Charle Jane Anders. This is the first of several episodes in this series, so feel free to read along with us! Links mentioned during the show: Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders Support the Show: Patreon Kofi Indie Bound Contact us! JustKeepWriting.org Discord Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Marshall: Website: www.marshallcarr.com Email: marshall@marshallcarr.com  Twitter: @darthpops  Nick:  Website: www.brightinks.org Email: nicholasbright@brightinks.org  Twitter: @BrightInks Wil:  Email: wil@justkeepwriting.org  Twitter: @wil_ralston Instagram: @wilsartrules Brent:  Twitter: @BrentCLambert @fiyahlitmag Fiyah Lit Magazine Now, just keep writing!

Science fiction author Charlie Jane Anders sits down outside the Exploratorium to talk about indie bookstores, the importance of mentors and her book "Victories Greater Than Death" — the latest Total SF Book Club title. Anders published three books in 2021, including a collection of short stories ("Even Greater Mistakes") and a book about writing to get through tough times ("Never Say You Can't Survive"). Total SF Book Club meets at 6 p.m. Thursday Feb. 24 in the Koret Auditorium at the San Francisco Public Library's main branch. Register for the live event or virtual at www.sfpl.org Produced by Peter Hartlaub. Music is "The Tide Will Rise" by the Sunset Shipwrecks off their album "Community" and cable car bell-ringing by 8-time champion Byron Cobb. Follow Total SF adventures at www.sfchronicle.com/totalsf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, I have the pleasure of interviewing Charlie Jane Anders. Charlie Jane is the author of the essay collection Never Say You Can't Survive along with the short story collection Even Greater Mistakes.  Her other books include The City in the Middle of the Night and All the Birds in the Sky. Her fiction and journalism have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Slate, McSweeney's, Mother Jones, the Boston Review, Tor.com, Tin House, Teen Vogue, Conjunctions, Wired Magazine, and other places.  Her TED Talk, "Go Ahead, Dream About the Future" got 700,000 views in its first week. With Annalee Newitz, she co-hosts the podcast Our Opinions Are Correct.   In this episode Charlie Jane Anders and I discuss: What makes something an “idea” versus a “story” and how to tell the difference. How to keep short stories contained while making them rich and deep. Why she believes endings are hard and what she does to cross the finish line. Plus, her #1 tip for writers. For more info and show notes: diymfa.com/390

They've been guests of our podcasts in the past, but today Anita is excited to welcome both co-hosts of the Our Opinions Are Correct Podcast to the same episode of Feminist Frequency's Star Trek Podcast: Annalee Newitz and Charlie Jane Anders. Together we discuss episodes 2 and 3 of season 4 of Discovery.Links Mentioned:FFR episode on Charlie Jane's book Never Say You Can't Survive - https://feministfrequency.com/video/creativity-in-crisis-with-special-guest-charlie-jane-anders-feminist-frequency-radio-174/Listen to Annalee and Charlie Jane's Podcast:ouropinionsarecorrect.comFollow Annalee:twitter.com/annaleenannaleenewitz.comFollow Charlie Jane:twitter.com/charliejanecharliejane.comFollow Us:Join our PatreonOur WebsiteSubscribe on to FFR on Apple PodcastsSubscribe to our Star Trek PodcastTwitterInstagram

Join Nat & PJ in conversation with award-winning author Charlie Jane Anders to hear more about the importance of creativity in tough times as outlined in her book Never Say You Can't Survive, how to use your fiction writing muscles to craft true stories, and what she thinks is the bravest thing writers can do. 

This week on Storybound, we want to spotlight Charlie Jane Anders, whose novel, “Victories Greater Than Death,” will be developed as a series by Amazon, with Michael B. Jordan's Outlier Society producing. Today, we're re-airing Anders' episode of Storybound, where she read an excerpt from the novel, backed by an original Storybound remix with Originalii, and sound design and arrangement by Jude Brewer. Charlie Jane Anders is the author of Victories Greater Than Death, the first book in a new young-adult trilogy, which came out in April 2021. Up next: Never Say You Can't Survive, a book about how to use creative writing to get through hard times; and a short story collection called Even Greater Mistakes. Her other books include The City in the Middle of the Night and All the Birds in the Sky. Her fiction and journalism have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Slate, McSweeney's, Mother Jones, the Boston Review, Tor.com, Tin House, Teen Vogue, Conjunctions, Wired Magazine, and other places. Her TED Talk, "Go Ahead, Dream About the Future" got 700,000 views in its first week. With Annalee Newitz, she co-hosts the podcast Our Opinions Are Correct. Oginalii is comprised of Emma Hoeflinger, Ryan Quarles, Simon Knudtson, and Emma Lambiase. Together, they create a sound that can't be pinned down; sludgy-psyche-rock meets technical talent that surpasses initial expectations. Support Storybound by supporting our sponsors: Norton brings you Michael Lewis' The Premonition: A Pandemic Story, a nonfiction thriller that pits a band of medical visionaries against a wall of ignorance as the COVID-19 pandemic looms. Scribd combines the latest technology with the best human minds to recommend content that you'll love. Go to try.scribd.com/storybound to get 60 days of Scribd for free. Finding You is an inspirational romantic drama full of heart and humor about finding the strength to be true to oneself. Now playing only in theaters. Acorn.tv is the largest commercial free British streaming service with hundreds of exclusive shows from around the world. Try acorn.tv for free for 30 days by going to acorn.tv and using promo code Storybound. Storybound is hosted by Jude Brewer and brought to you by The Podglomerate and Lit Hub Radio. Let us know what you think of the show on Instagram and Twitter @storyboundpod. *** This show is a part of the Podglomerate network, a company that produces, distributes, and monetizes podcasts. We encourage you to visit the website and sign up for our newsletter for more information about our shows, launches, and events. For more information on how The Podglomerate treats data, please see our Privacy Policy.  Since you're listening to Storybound, you might enjoy reading, writing, and storytelling. We'd like to suggest you also try the History of Literature or Book Dreams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

* Charlie Jane Anders is the author of The City in the Middle of the Night and All the Birds in the Sky. Her fiction and journalism have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, McSweeney's, Mother Jones, Tor.com, Wired, and elsewhere. Her TED Talk, "Go Ahead, Dream About the Future" got 700,000 views in its first week. Along with Annalee Newitz, she co-hosts the podcast Our Opinions Are Correct. Charlie Jane will be a keynote speaker at the 2022 San Francisco Writers Conference. * Charlie Jane talked about two books that she has published recently: the nonfiction "Never Say You Can't Survive" and the young adult fiction, "Victories Greater than Death."  * "Never Say You Can't Survive" is "a mixture of encouragement, ideas for how to use writing to feel OK in a world that's not OK, and actual technical advice on stuff like characts, plot, and worldbuilding." * Podcast host Matthew Felix and Charlie Jane discussed many of the topics in the book, including how to strike the right balance between outlining and allowing for spontaneous creativity; the challenge writers sometimes have in giving themselves permission to write; imagination as a form of resistance; and navigating the challenge of representing without appropriating. * Matthew and Charlie Jane talked about impostor syndrome and how to get beyond it. * Charlie Jane talked about the art of worldbuilding (i.e., creating fictional worlds), and how daydreaming, researching the past, and more can help with the process. * She also elaborated on an observation she made in her Tedx talk that “the world ends all the time, and we keep going.” * "Victories Greater than Death" is about a young woman - a clone - who is the keeper of an interplanetary rescue beacon that is about to activate, making her dreams of saving all the worlds and adventuring among the stars possible. * Charlie Jane explained the challenges of writing a young adult novel, including finding the right pace and voice. She also discussed how she knew this book was just the first in a trilogy, as well as the book's exploration of gender identity.  * Charlie Jane talked about the worldbuilding that went into "Victories Greater than Death," the challenges of writing the forthcoming second book in the series, and the possibility of returning to this world for other books. * Charlie Jane shared the future of her popular San Francisco reading series, Writers with Drinks.   Listen here or on: iTunes | Stitcher | Spotify | Google | TuneIn | Amazon | Player FM | Deezer Watch on YouTube   Links www.charliejaneanders.com www.facebook.com/charliejane www.instagram.com/charliejaneanders/

How can we practice self-care, stay open and vulnerable, and have enough discernment to know how much to keep pushing ourselves creatively when we feel depleted? This episode is a show for our times, as we tackle with guest Charlie Jane Anders all the ways that global and personal crises challenge our creative and writing lives. We recommend you check out Charlie Jane's talk on YouTube, Never Say You Can't Survive, which inspired the book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ItTO9DDhCI.

#PodcastersForJustice Decorated speculative fiction and YA author and pundit, Charlie Jane Anders, chatted with me about the genesis of storytelling, how to weather 20 years of rejection, write through hard times, and her latest how-to for writers Never Say You Can't Survive. "Being a writer doesn't have to mean you have a cool haircut and live in Brooklyn and go to fancy literary parties. It can mean that you're just someone who enjoys making up stories ... you don't even have to publish them." – Charlie Jane Anders Charlie Jane's novel Victories Greater Than Death – the first book in a new young-adult trilogy, April, 2021 – and 2019's Locus Award winner The City in the Middle of the Night – named one of the year's best books by the Guardian and others and optioned for TV by Sony. Her 2016 novel, All the Birds in the Sky, was #5 on Time Magazine's list of the year's 10 best novels, and won the Nebula, Locus and Crawford awards. Her latest is Never Say You Can't Survive, a book about how to use creative writing to get through hard times. It's described as "... a practical guide to storytelling [and a] ... a manual for creativity in unprecedented times." Charlie Jane's fiction and journalism have appeared in the New York Times, The Washington Post, Slate, McSweeney's, Mother Jones, Boston Review, Tor.com, Tin House, WIRED magazine, and many other places. Her TED Talk, "Go Ahead, Dream About the Future" has been viewed over 2M times. She also co-hosts the Hugo Award-winning podcast Our Opinions Are Correct with Annalee Newitz. Stay calm and write on ... And Stay Tuned: I'm cooking up some extras for fans of the show in the coming weeks you won't want to miss including the option to have episodes, extras, and added insights delivered straight to your inbox, and maybe even some Writer Files merch on the way. If you're a fan of The Writer Files, please "Follow" us to automatically see new interviews. In this file Charlie Jane Anders and I discussed: The importance of why "we all contain multitudes" Impostor syndrome and rubbing elbows with famous authors Her creative chameleon characteristics And why writers need to juxtapose the small and personal against the huge and epic Stay calm and write on ... Show Notes: CharlieJaneAnders.com Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders Charlie Jane Anders Amazon author page Our Opinions Are Correct the Hugo Award-winning podcast TED Talk, "Go Ahead, Dream About the Future" welovebookstores.org Charlie Jane Anders on Facebook Charlie Jane Anders on Twitter Kelton Reid on Twitter

ITINERARY: Charlie Jane Anders talks about her essay collection Never Say You Can't Survive, how to write in dark times, the retrospective opportunities offered by a story collection, and gleefully smashing the bounds of 'genre' distinctions in her new YA trilogy. Becky Chambers talks about her fridge-meal novella A Psalm for the Wild-Built, the pleasures of tea-drinking, and why she has hope. Drew reads an excerpt of Albert Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus as a beacon against dark times. Full episode transcript available here. Tor Presents: Voyage into Genre is a co-production with Lit Hub Radio Hosted by Drew Broussard Audio engineering + production by Stardust House Creative Music by Dani Lencioni of Evelyn Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Liberty and Tirzah discuss Velvet Was the Night, Never Say You Can't Survive, Chasing the Boogeyman, and more great books. Pick up an All the Books! shirt, sticker, and more right here. Follow All the Books! using RSS, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify and never miss a beat book. Sign up for the weekly New Books! newsletter for even more new book news. This content contains affiliate links. When you buy through these links, we may earn an affiliate commission. BOOKS DISCUSSED ON THE SHOW: Chasing the Boogeyman by Richard Chizmar Velvet Was the Night by Silvia Moreno-Garcia The Ones Who Don't Say They Love You: Stories by Maurice Carlos Ruffin The Many Meanings of Meilan by Andrea Wang Never Say You Can't Survive by Charlie Jane Anders How to Kill Your Best Friend by Lexie Elliott Paradise: One Town's Struggle to Survive an American Wildfire by Lizzie Johnson Unraveled by Leanne Hatch WHAT WE'RE READING: The Quiet Zone: Unraveling the Mystery of a Town Suspended in Silence by Stephen Kurczy Hexwood by Dianna Wynne Jones MORE BOOKS OUT THIS WEEK: (Me) Moth by Amber McBride Reclaimed by Madeleine Roux Have You Seen Me? by Alexandrea Weis  Playing a Dangerous Game by Patrick Ochieng 56 Days: A Thriller by Catherine Ryan Howard   The All-Consuming World by Cassandra Khaw  How We Fall Apart by Katie Zhao Playlist for the Apocalypse: Poems by Rita Dove The Awakened Brain: The New Science of Spirituality and Our Quest for an Inspired Life by Lisa Miller  I'll Forget It When I Die!: The Bisbee Deportation of 1917 by Mitchell Abidor  Snow Creek by Gregg Olsen  Requiem of Silence (Earthsinger Chronicles) by L. Penelope  The Oracle of Night: The History and Science of Dreams by Sidarta Ribeiro and Daniel Hahn Silent Winds, Dry Seas by Vinod Busjeet The History of Bones: A Memoir by John Lurie  Redemptor (Raybearer Book 2) by Jordan Ifueko Getaway by Zoje Stage The Skinny by Jonathan Wells Rude Talk in Athens: Ancient Rivals, the Birth of Comedy, and a Writer's Journey through Greece by Mark Haskell Smith  Burning Man: The Trials of D. H. Lawrence by Frances Wilson Call Me Athena: Girl from Detroit by Colby Cedar Smith Phantom Heart by Kelly Creagh What's the Use?: How Mathematics Shapes Everyday Life by Ian Stewart The Last Mona Lisa by Jonathan Santlofer Still Mad: American Women Writers and the Feminist Imagination by Sandra M. Gilbert and Susan Gubar In Polite Company by Gervais Hagerty The Bookseller's Secret: A Novel of Nancy Mitford and WWII by Michelle Gable Skinship: Stories by Yoon Choi The Family Plot by Megan Collins Jerusalem Beach: Stories by Iddo Gefen, Daniella Zamir (translator) Image Control: Art, Fascism, and the Right to Resist by Patrick Nathan Wildwood Whispers by Willa Reece Two-Way Mirror: The Life of Elizabeth Barrett Browning by Fiona Sampson Baby Girl: Better Known as Aaliyah by Kathy Iandoli About Time: A History of Civilization in Twelve Clocks by David Rooney Names for Light: A Family History by Thirii Myo Kyaw Myint Sometimes I Trip On How Happy We Could Be by Nichole Perkins Evie and the Truth about Witches by John Martz Living Beyond Borders: Growing up Mexican in America by Margarita Longoria The Smashed Man of Dread End by J.W. Ocker Dagger Hill by Devon Taylor Gordo by Jaime Cortez The Rise of Light by Olivia Hawker  Battle Royal by Lucy Parker Center Center: A Funny, Sexy, Sad Almost-Memoir of a Boy in Ballet by James Whiteside Night Music by Jojo Moyes All In: An Autobiography by Billie Jean King The Guilt Trip by Sandie Jones  What About the Baby?: Some Thoughts on the Art of Fiction by Alice McDermott Dirty Work: Essential Jobs and the Hidden Toll of Inequality in America by Eyal Press A Brief History of Motion: From the Wheel, to the Car, to What Comes Next by Tom Standage Cazadora: A Novel (Wolves of No World Book 2) by Romina Garber  Against White Feminism: Notes on Disruption by Rafia Zakaria The Endless Skies by Shannon Price See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week, host June Thomas talks to Charlie Jane Anders, author of many novels and a new book of writing advice, Never Say You Can't Survive. In the interview, Charlie Jane offers tons of detailed writing tips and explains how escaping into fictional worlds can help people endure hard times.  After the interview, June and co-host Rumaan Alam discuss some of Charlie Jane's writing tips, and then Rumaan talks about his recent profile of author Jason Reynolds, which was published in the New Yorker.  Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675. Podcast production by Cameron Drews. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Big Mood, Little Mood—and you'll be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, host June Thomas talks to Charlie Jane Anders, author of many novels and a new book of writing advice, Never Say You Can't Survive. In the interview, Charlie Jane offers tons of detailed writing tips and explains how escaping into fictional worlds can help people endure hard times.  After the interview, June and co-host Rumaan Alam discuss some of Charlie Jane's writing tips, and then Rumaan talks about his recent profile of author Jason Reynolds, which was published in the New Yorker.  Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675. Podcast production by Cameron Drews. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Big Mood, Little Mood—and you'll be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, host June Thomas talks to Charlie Jane Anders, author of many novels and a new book of writing advice, Never Say You Can't Survive. In the interview, Charlie Jane offers tons of detailed writing tips and explains how escaping into fictional worlds can help people endure hard times.  After the interview, June and co-host Rumaan Alam discuss some of Charlie Jane's writing tips, and then Rumaan talks about his recent profile of author Jason Reynolds, which was published in the New Yorker.  Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675. Podcast production by Cameron Drews. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Big Mood, Little Mood—and you'll be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices