The Better Learning Podcast is about improving education at all levels - Schools (public, charter, private, independent), Higher Education, & Corporate/Adult Learning. The major theme is to break down the silos and learn from others doing innovative things in education. We highlight innovative progr…
In this episode, Dr. Noel Schmidt discusses his radically student-centered approach to school design and education. He emphasizes the importance of involving students in the planning process, from visiting other schools for inspiration to actively participating in design meetings. Dr. Schmidt shares innovative features implemented based on student feedback, such as slides and ninja gyms in elementary schools, flexible learning spaces, and abundant natural light. He also highlights the prioritization of instructional spaces over athletic facilities and the value of extensive community engagement. The episode showcases how putting students at the center leads to creative, future-focused educational environments. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
Challenged to plan and design sustainable and resilient learning spaces that encourage innovation, critical thinking and collaboration, these young designers have broadened the potential of a school by connecting excellence in design with excellence in education. Their rigorous research, exceptional teamwork and eco-friendly solutions not only meet the needs of students, but address the economy and society of the future, enabling them to master the skills they need to take on the challenges of a world defined by change. In this episode, recorded at the LearningSCAPES conference, Better Learning Podcast co-host Matt sits down with several teens from Desert Mirage Elementary School that participated in the SchoolsNEXT Design Challenge. They share challenges they had while designing their school, and the biggest success they found after it was over. Award of Excellence - High School: Discovery High School: OAS Jasmine Wieringa, An Luu, Zac Tricola, & Ella Tretheway Discovery High School | Camas, WA Learn More Award of Excellence - Middle School: Lakeview Middle School: E-STEAM High School Learn More Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 275 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, architect Rebecca Baibak of Integrus discusses her approach to designing Radically Student Centered™ learning environments. Rebecca shares how listening to students of all ages shapes innovative school spaces, from outdoor courtyards to flexible indoor-outdoor areas. She highlights the importance of involving both students and educators in the design process, encouraging site visits and open-minded thinking. Rebecca also addresses the need to empower teachers to use new facilities creatively, ensuring that both students and staff can thrive in evolving educational spaces. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 271 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Matt Warren, Deputy Superintendent for Lexington School District Two in South Carolina, discusses what it means to be radically student-centered in education. He shares his commitment to prioritizing student well-being and individualized support, and reflects on the importance of strong relationships within schools. Matt also recounts the challenges and successes of leading a district-wide furniture replacement project, highlighting the value of teamwork and careful planning in large-scale educational initiatives. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 268 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Dr. Krystal L. Clemons, founder of Our Village Consulting, discusses the importance of centering students, families, and communities—especially those who are marginalized—in educational planning. She shares her strength-based approach to engagement, the need to truly listen and partner with communities, and highlights her successful youth leadership program that empowered students to find their voices and make a difference. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 274 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Carey Upton, Chief Operations Officer of the Santa Monica-Malibu Unified School District, shares his insights on radically student-centered learning. Carey discusses the shift from traditional, teacher-driven education to empowering students to find their own ways of learning. He highlights the importance of flexible learning environments, the challenges of change among teachers, and the need to encourage all students to step outside their comfort zones. The conversation explores how facilities and pedagogy can work together to support more engaged, well-rounded learners. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 270 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Colleen Martinez, president of Visions In Planning, shares her journey from architectural design to educational planning, emphasizing the importance of radically student-centered spaces. She discusses the need to listen to all stakeholders, especially in rural communities, and highlights the value of inclusive, future-focused school design that meets the needs of both students and educators in New Mexico. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 273 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, guest Philip Riedel, an architect and global board member for A4LE, discusses the importance of radically student-centered design in schools. He shares insights on involving students in the design process, learning from post-occupancy evaluations, and adapting spaces to better serve both students and teachers. Philip highlights innovative approaches to privacy and safety in school locker rooms and restrooms, emphasizing the need for thoughtful design and community buy-in. The conversation explores the challenges of implementing new ideas in traditional systems and the ongoing evolution toward more inclusive, student-focused learning environments. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 269 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Peter Sharma, a sustainability consultant with Stantec, to discusses radically student-centered design in educational spaces. Peter shares his approach to creating inclusive, sustainable environments by focusing on the unique needs of every student and integrating sustainability from the earliest stages of design. The conversation covers the importance of addressing embodied carbon, climate resiliency, and the evolving expectations of future generations. Peter also reflects on industry shifts driven by environmental standards and the need to meet climate goals for the benefit of students and communities. Listen to the last episode of the Better Learning Podcast that Peter was on, where Kevin and Peter discussed the movie 'Metal Lords'. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 272 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, interior designer Katherine Wiley shares her journey from growing up abroad to designing educational spaces in Texas. She discusses the importance of creating learning environments that are truly student-centered, emphasizing empathy, emotional well-being, and community involvement. Katherine explains how thoughtful design—considering factors like lighting, acoustics, and flexible spaces—can enhance student performance and well-being. She also reflects on the need for early and ongoing conversations about student needs in educational design. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 259 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, architect Michael Kelly of KCBA Architects shares insights from his decades of experience designing educational spaces in Pennsylvania. Michael discusses the evolution of school architecture, emphasizing the importance of creating flexible, student-centered environments that foster excitement and collaboration. He reflects on lessons learned from past projects, the value of community and educator input, and the need for adaptable spaces to meet the changing needs of students and teachers. The conversation highlights the challenges and rewards of renovating older schools, the impact of thoughtful design on learning, and the importance of ongoing dialogue between architects, educators, and communities. Episode 266 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Ryan Orr, principal at KCBA Architects, talks about his career journey from intern to leader and his perspective on creating radically student-centered learning environments. Ryan shares insights from his experience in education-focused architecture, emphasizing curiosity, mentorship, and the importance of empowering students to take charge of their learning. The conversation also explores how emerging technologies like AI may shape the future of student-centered design. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 267 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, architect Jennifer Grafton shares how she brings a student-centered mindset to school design, even when resources are limited. She discusses the importance of seeing spaces from a child's perspective, engaging students, staff, and communities early in the process, and encouraging educators to embrace change. Jennifer emphasizes that even small shifts can disrupt the status quo and help create more meaningful, student-focused learning environments. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 261 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, architect Aaron Jobson shares how he designs flexible, student-centered learning environments that adapt to changing needs. He discusses the importance of engaging students and communities in the design process, creating spaces that support a variety of programs, and building for long-term sustainability. Aaron also highlights the value of real-world learning opportunities and the impact thoughtful design can have on both students and their communities. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 262 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Jeff interviews Lydia Burns, an architect and designer from Bassetti Architects in Portland, Oregon. Lydia shares her insights on creating student-centered school environments, emphasizing the importance of engaging students directly in the design process. She discusses creative strategies for gathering student input, such as surveys, hands-on workshops, and design thinking curricula. Lydia highlights a standout project where students in a CTE (Career and Technical Education) program collaborated on designing and building a tiny home, which was later donated to a homeless village. Throughout the conversation, Lydia underscores the value of including diverse voices—students, staff, alumni, and community members—in school design, and reflects on the sense of ownership and pride students gain from participating in these projects. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 264 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, principal emeritus Lorne McConachie discusses his decades of experience designing student-centered schools, emphasizing the importance of personalization, flexibility, and trauma-informed design to create learning environments that truly serve every child. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 265 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, architect Kevin J. Walsh discusses the importance of making educational spaces truly student-centered. He shares how his team involves students, staff, families, and communities early in the design process to ensure all voices are heard. Kevin explains how listening, gathering feedback, and adapting to changing needs help create learning environments that are flexible, inclusive, and responsive to those they serve. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 260 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, architect Angel Hosband shares how student-centered design transformed a high school in Bakersfield, California. By creating open, collaborative spaces for both students and teachers, the school fostered a stronger sense of community and support—even in a challenging environment. Angel also discusses the importance of inclusive design for students with additional needs, emphasizing the value of flexibility, empathy, and holistic thinking in educational spaces. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 263 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, host Nick welcomes Danny Sewell from Muso and his innovative creation, Juice Bot. The conversation covers Danny's cross-country journey, the inspiration behind Juice Bot, and the importance of making learning both accessible and fun. Danny discusses the concept of being radically student-centered, emphasizing the need to prioritize students' diverse learning needs, celebrate cultural and linguistic diversity, and use technology to enhance access and engagement. The episode explores the role of music, imagination, and "serious fun" in education, highlighting how tools like Juice Bot can foster creativity, inclusivity, and lifelong learning. Danny also shares thoughts on balancing technology with imagination, the value of boredom, and the importance of empowering teachers as the "secret sauce" in education. The episode wraps up with resources for connecting with Danny and Juice Bot online. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 255 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Brian Proctor, a former educator and now architect at Ratio Design, discusses the importance of radically student-centered school design. Drawing on his experience as a principal and designer, Brian emphasizes listening to student voices, creating flexible and future-ready learning spaces, and challenging traditional adult-driven decisions. The conversation highlights the value of community involvement, adapting to evolving technology, and ensuring that educational environments truly serve students' needs now and in the future. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 257 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Kevin interviews Stefee Knudsen, principal at Bora Architecture and Interiors, about designing radically student-centered high schools. Stefee discusses the challenges and opportunities in creating flexible, inspiring educational spaces that adapt to students' needs, highlighting the importance of long-term vision, community investment, and innovation in school design. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 253 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, host Jeff interviews John Pfluger of the Cunningham Group about the award-winning design of Rock Ridge High School and two elementary schools in Minnesota. John shares the philosophy of "Dancing with the Yeti"—embracing challenges with creativity and collaboration—and discusses how student-centered design and a deep connection to the local landscape shaped these innovative educational spaces. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 252 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Jeff Kubiak interviews Robert Dillon, an influential educator and author known for his work on intentional school design and Radically Student Centered™ learning. Robert shares insights from his experience as a teacher, principal, and parent, emphasizing the importance of adapting education to meet students' needs and creating modern learning environments. He discusses the value of common language in education, translating research into practice, and advocating for better learning spaces, especially for communities with limited resources. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 251 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, Michelle Klosterman, Assistant Head of School at Forsyth Country Day School, discusses what it means to be "radically student centered" in education. She shares her journey from biomedical engineering to education, emphasizing the importance of making every decision with students' needs at the forefront. Michelle describes how independent schools can be more agile in implementing innovative learning spaces and highlights the impact of involving students in the design of their environments. She also reflects on the evolving needs of students, the importance of self-regulation, and the necessity for educators to adapt as students change over time. The conversation offers practical insights into creating learning environments that truly prioritize and empower students. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 258 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, architect Jeremy Ortiz of Archis discusses the importance of radically student-centered school design. He explores how thoughtful planning, flexibility, and understanding diverse learning needs are essential for creating effective educational environments. Jeremy and the host reflect on the evolving role of technology, the value of hands-on and personalized learning, and the resurgence of career and technical education (CTE) pathways. The conversation emphasizes lifelong learning, the need for multiple educational paths, and the irreplaceable human element in education. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 254 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, interior designer Courtney Ter-Velde shares her approach to creating student-centered learning environments. She emphasizes the importance of involving students in the design process, understanding their unique needs, and integrating technology thoughtfully. Courtney discusses recent projects, including a new accessible playground, and highlights how technology like VR can enhance both student engagement and design feedback. The conversation underscores the value of listening to students and adapting educational spaces to support diverse learning styles and future needs. Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 256 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In Pixar's WALL-E, a lonely robot's quest to clean up a deserted Earth becomes a sweeping meditation on sustainability, technology, and the human spirit. As WALL-E and Eve spark change aboard the Axiom, the film asks: what does it take to break free from comfort, complacency, and the status quo? And how can educators plant the seeds of curiosity and responsibility in a world shaped by screens, systems, and inertia? Through the eyes of WALL-E, the Captain, and the humans rediscovering their planet, we see the power of small acts, the danger of losing connection, and the hope that comes from daring to do things differently. The movie reminds us that transformation—of people, schools, or even the world—often begins with a single spark, a question, or a leader willing to make a bold decision. On this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Kevin Stoller and co-host Carla Cummins are joined by Ron Lamarre and Megan Brown to explore what WALL-E reveals about education, leadership, and the urgent need for change in how we learn, build, and care for our communities. Takeaways: True change in education and society starts with leaders willing to challenge the status quo and act with conviction. Comfort and convenience can stifle curiosity, connection, and growth—educators must help students (and themselves) break out of complacency. Every system, from schools to cities, is shaped by the values and choices of its people; small actions can tip the balance toward regeneration and hope. Fostering empathy, critical thinking, and a sense of responsibility prepares students not just for tests, but for life on a changing planet. Like WALL-E, educators can be the spark that helps others rediscover wonder, care, and the courage to build something better. About Megan Brown: Megan Brown AIA, CPHD, LEED AP BD+C Associate, FA Energy Team Manager Megan brings a diverse range of project experiences in various typologies, including laboratories, higher education, civic and cultural projects. Many of these undertakings have been unique and highly technical, such as research greenhouses, cleanrooms, and aerospace engineering labs. Megan's true passion lies in high-performance buildings, building science, healthy materials, and embodied carbon studies. As a Certified Passive House Designer, she is eager to apply this knowledge to all future projects. She is constantly mindful of the pressing need to reduce carbon emissions in the built environment. Megan thrives on delving into research and technical details to discover more sustainable construction methods. Megan's initial fascination with architecture stemmed from her love of physics, dating back to her high school days of building egg drop models and toothpick bridges. Her very first architectural drawing, crafted around the age of 10, featured a three-level circular house, complete with spiral staircases. It may have had a few inefficiencies! Outside of the office, you'll often find Megan in the great outdoors, enjoying quality time with her family and fluffy dog amidst the lush forest behind their home. LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/meganwbrown16/ About Ron Lamarre: Ron Lamarre AIA, ALEP, ALA, LEED-WELL AP, MCPPO, NCARB Senior Associate, Architect, Accredited Learning Environment Planner As an architect focused on the planning and design of inspiring and meaningful environments that encourage life-long learning, Ron's success has always been attributed to listening to clients, colleagues, industry partners, and all members of our community. He believes leading the process that creates memorable places and spaces is an honor; requiring constant innovation found in continuous research to understand and implement evolving technologies that enable long-lasting value and a sustainable future. When Ron is not "doing", he's learning, whether the easy way through researching the success of others or the hard way by re-doing failed improvement attempts on his camp in Maine. LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronlamarre/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 250 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In Can't Hardly Wait, a graduating class gathers for one unforgettable night — a chaotic, emotional, and often hilarious collision of cliques, identities, and expectations. Beneath the 90s nostalgia and party anthems, the film poses a timeless question for educators: how do young people find belonging and purpose in a world so quick to label and divide them? Through characters like Preston, Amanda, and Denise, we see the tension between perception and authenticity — between who students think they should be and who they truly are. The movie reminds us that every learner is in their own process of discovery, and that connection and empathy can transform even the most uncertain transitions into opportunities for growth. On this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Carla Cummins and new co-host Jessica Westerduin sit down with Jay Doherty to unpack what Can't Hardly Wait reveals about identity, belonging, and the powerful role educators play in helping students write their next chapter with confidence and hope. Takeaways: Every student carries a story beyond the surface — belonging starts when educators listen deeply. Transitional moments, like graduation, can spark reflection, growth, and the courage to reinvent oneself. Schools that embrace diversity of thought, emotion, and identity prepare students for more than success — they prepare them for life. When educators foster genuine connection, they help students see that they're already enough, just as they are. About Jay Doherty: Jay Doherty is a K–12 Design Principal, Project Architect, and Certified Educational Planner (ALEP) at Lavallee Brensinger Architects in New England. He is passionate about designing educational and inspiring spaces that nurture the next generation of thinkers and doers. Jay's favorite place to be is at the intersection of art and science—a place where creativity and logic meet. He finds joy in the balance between these disciplines, whether it's expressed through thoughtful architecture, a well-composed piece of music, a carefully crafted beverage, or a beautifully made film. In addition to his work as an educational architect, Jay is a dedicated film enthusiast and critic. He served as Executive Director of the SNOB (Somewhat North Of Boston) Film Festival for over a decade. Learn More About Jay Doherty: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jpdoherty3/ Learn More About Lavallee Brensinger Architects: Website: lbpa.com/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/lavallee-brensinger-architects Facebook: facebook.com/LavalleeBrensingerArchitects Connect with host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Connect with co-host, Jessica Westerduin: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-westerduin-b75454267/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 249 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In Real Genius, a group of brilliant college students are pushed to their intellectual limits in a high-pressure, high-stakes environment. But beneath the humor and chaos, the movie explores a question educators still wrestle with today: what happens when learning becomes more about achievement than curiosity? Through characters like Chris Knight and Mitch Taylor, we see two sides of education collide - rigid academic systems versus authentic discovery and joy in learning. Their journey reminds us that genius isn't just about intelligence. It's about passion, purpose, and the freedom to explore without fear of failure. On this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we sit down with Rob Wroble to uncover what Real Genius teaches us about creativity, intrinsic motivation, and how educators can nurture curiosity rather than compliance in today's classrooms. Takeaways: True learning happens when students are encouraged to explore, question, and create — not just perform. The pressure to achieve can stifle innovation; curiosity and autonomy unlock it. Environments that celebrate experimentation and play can lead to breakthroughs far beyond the traditional definition of “genius." Educators who trust students to take risks build confidence, creativity, and a lifelong love of learning. About Rob Wroble: Rob is a principal and chairman of the board at Legat Architects. He is an accomplished project manager with over 30 years of experience in all phases of programming, project management, design and construction. As the studio director for Legat's Oak Brook office, he not only leads many of the firm's significant educational projects, responsible for client communication, planning, design, cost estimating, scheduling, and consultant management, but he also mentors the next generation of architects in his office. His educational portfolio has specialized in the evaluation, planning and renovation of district-wide school facilities to maximize their life cycle and reduce maintenance costs. Rob has led multi-campus, capital improvement projects for numerous school districts throughout the Midwest. Some of Rob's most notable projects include the A.E.R.O. Therapeutic Center and the Laraway School. The A.E.R.O. Therapeutic Center is a special education cooperative composed of eleven member school districts. The facility is designed for students ages 3-22 who have neurodiversities. The process to create the facility was highly collaborative and research-based. This lead it project to receive two very prestigious awards: Illinois Association of School Boards Award of Merit and the Chicago Building Congress Award of Merit: Education. The other notable project that Rob project managed was the Laraway School, where post-occupancy research was able to determine that the building taught kindness. This facility also received two notable awards: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) – Midwest Great Lakes Region John H. Shaw Award and the Brick Industry Association Brick in Architecture Bronze Award. Learn More About Rob Wroble: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-wroble-83839518/ Learn More About Legat Architects: Website: https://www.legat.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/legat-architects/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/legatarchitects/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/legatarchitects/ Twitter: https://x.com/Legat_Architect YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/LegatArchitects Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 248 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
Sometimes the best insights about learning don't come from research studies or professional development - they come from the stories we see in pop culture. In Ferris Bueller's Day Off, a high schooler skips class for one unforgettable adventure across Chicago. But beneath the comedy, Ferris is doing something educators talk about every day: he's owning his learning. His day is filled with exploration, curiosity, and authentic experiences — the kind that research shows actually drive deeper engagement and motivation. He chooses his goals, designs his own path, and orchestrates moments that are memorable and meaningful. So what does Ferris Bueller have to do with education today? His story reminds us that when students are given agency, when they feel trusted to take risks and explore, learning becomes more than memorizing content - it becomes an experience that sticks. On this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we take a closer look at what Ferris Bueller can teach us about student voice, ownership, and the environments we create for students to live, explore, and discover who they are. Takeaways: When students have ownership over their learning, they're more motivated, curious, and invested in outcomes. Just like Ferris designing his own day, students thrive when they can set goals and make choices. Real-world experiences, exploration, and hands-on challenges can teach skills that traditional lessons alone can't. Schools that provide flexible, authentic opportunities create lasting learning. While Ferris' day was spontaneous, there's a lesson for educators: students flourish when they have a mix of guidance and autonomy, scaffolding their growth without limiting exploration. About Nathan Strenge: Nathan Strenge is a Senior Learning Designer at Fielding International and the co-founder of Exploration High School in Minneapolis, a public school for public good. He also serves as co-president of the board at What School Could Be and is a Community Lead at HundrED. In all his work, he helps advance learner-centered education that prioritizes authentic experiences, deep learning, holistic safety, and trusted relationships. With over a decade as a teacher and now years of global design and leadership work, Nathan brings both heart and strategy to reimagining schools as places where joy, curiosity, and connection are at the center of every learner's experience. Learn More About Nathan Strenge: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-strenge-3232b326/ Twitter: https://x.com/nathanstrenge Learn More About Fielding International: Website: https://fieldingintl.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/fielding-international/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fieldingintl/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fieldingintl/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ5Wzn_wGRNs99rDD8EH3lg? Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 247 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
Sometimes the best lessons don't come from textbooks or classrooms... they come from the stories we see on screen. In Metal Lords, a coming-of-age Netflix film, two high school outsiders form a heavy metal band in hopes of competing in the “Battle of the Bands.” What starts as a quest to play loud music quickly turns into a journey of self-discovery, belonging, and resilience. So how does a movie about teens rocking out connect to education? At its core, Metal Lords highlights what we talk about so often on the Better Learning Podcast: that schools are not just about content, but about creating spaces where students can express themselves, collaborate, and feel valued. The characters in the film struggle with identity, acceptance, and confidence — the same challenges many of our students face every day. When schools provide flexible environments and opportunities for students to pursue their passions, they're not just teaching academics, they're helping students discover their voice. In our podcast, we often ask school leaders, educators, and designers: What should students feel when they walk into a learning space? Metal Lords gives us one answer: students should feel like they belong. Whether through music, art, or academics, the best school experiences help students connect with something bigger than themselves. And maybe that's the real message for all of us in education: sometimes the path to “better learning” starts when we let students turn up the volume on who they really are. Takeaways: Connection and acceptance are critical for motivation. When students feel seen and valued, they're more likely to take risks and fully engage in learning. The power of teamwork in the movie mirrors what happens in classrooms: collaborative projects help students develop creativity, problem-solving, and communication skills. Just as the concert venues and rehearsal spaces impact the band's journey, school design and classroom setup can support or hinder student engagement and creativity—a core idea we explore on the Better Learning Podcast. About Peter Sharma: Peter Sharma is a senior sustainability consultant and Carbon Lead for Stantec's Education sector, where he champions holistic sustainability, embodied carbon reduction, and health and wellbeing in learning environments. With over a decade of experience in the building industry —including numerous K-12 projects—Peter brings a deep understanding of how sustainable design can shape healthier, more inspiring spaces for students and educators alike. Peter is driven by a deep commitment to leaving behind a healthier, more resilient world for his daughter and future generations. He believes that thoughtful design must serve both people and the planet, and that true sustainability is built through collaboration—creating learning environments that uplift communities, foster connection, and stand the test of time. A recognized leader in the building industry, he was honored with the Emerging Green Leader award by the Alberta chapter of Canada Green Building Council (CAGBC) in 2018 for his commitment to advocating, educating, and practicing green buildings. Peter joins the podcast to explore how sustainability and wellbeing aren't just about buildings—they're about the people inside them, and the bold ideas that can rock the system. Learn More About Peter Sharma: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prateekat/ Learn More About Stantec: Website: https://www.stantec.com/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/stantec Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StantecInc Twitter: https://x.com/Stantec Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stantec/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 246 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
Released in 2007 and inspired by true events, The Great Debaters tells the story of Wiley College's debate team in the 1930s, led by Professor Melvin B. Tolson. At a time when segregation and systemic injustice were defining forces, this small but determined team rose to national prominence, even going head-to-head with Harvard University. More than a story about competition, the film highlights the role education plays in empowerment, resilience, and giving students the courage to use their voice. We dive into the plot and memorable moments, then run through a series of award-style categories that let us talk about teachers, iconic scenes, and even one-liners. And of course, we wrap up with the big question: what real-world lessons can educators, leaders, and communities take from the movie? Takeaways: Professor Tolson shows how a teacher or mentor can push students beyond their perceived limits, instill belief, and prepare them for opportunities they may never have imagined possible. Winning debates required the team to challenge, support, and trust each other. Education at its best fosters collaboration, preparing students for the challenges of the real world. About Jeff Johnson: Jeff Johnson brings over 30 years of experience in Pre-K–12 and Higher Education design, serving as a trusted voice in shaping impactful learning environments. His expertise spans referendum planning, educational programming, design, project management, and construction administration. As Director of Educational Planning at PBK Architects, Jeff leads with a deep commitment to understanding each district's mission and vision. He collaborates closely with stakeholders to develop next-generation learning environments that are innovative, functional, and community-focused. From concept through construction, Jeff ensures that every project aligns with both educational goals and budget realities. Learn More About PBK Architects: Website: https://pbk.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pbk-1/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pbkarchitects/ Twitter: https://x.com/PBKArchitects Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pbkarchitects/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 245 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
What does it take to bring out the best in a group of individuals and transform them into something greater than the sum of their parts? In this episode of our school-related movie review series, we dive into Miracle (2004), the powerful retelling of the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team's unbelievable upset over the Soviet Union. It's a story of vision, discipline, belief, and building a culture of excellence—all themes that deeply resonate in the world of education today. Joining us for this conversation is Bryan Benway, someone who brings a unique and dynamic perspective to the table. Bryan grew up near Lake Placid, the very town where this historic miracle on ice took place. He spent years as a hockey broadcaster in the Central Hockey League and now serves as Director of Marketing at Bartlett Cocke General Contractors—one of the most respected education-focused construction firms in Texas. But before transitioning into construction, Bryan spent several impactful years in public education as the Director of Communications for Boerne ISD, where his leadership earned the district nearly 50 statewide awards. With a career that has spanned storytelling, school communications, sports broadcasting, and educational construction, Bryan is the perfect guest to help us explore the parallels between Miracle and the everyday work of school leaders and educators. From coaching a team to believe in themselves, to navigating doubt, adversity, and pressure with resilience—Miracle is more than just a sports film. It's a reflection of what great educational leadership looks like: setting a clear vision, building trust, and pushing students and teams to achieve more than they ever thought possible. Takeaways: Coach Herb Brooks wasn't looking for the best players—he was looking for the right ones. In schools, it's not always about the top-performing individuals, but about how the team works together to support every student. Brooks had a bold and unconventional vision, and he never wavered from it. Strong educational leaders similarly need to set a clear direction, especially when leading change or overcoming obstacles. The infamous “Again!” scene shows how accountability and pushing through discomfort can prepare teams for real-world pressure. In classrooms and school systems, structure and consistent expectations help students and staff thrive. Brooks told his players, “Great moments are born from great opportunity.” Educators create those moments every day—when they believe in students, when they champion a struggling learner, or when they stand up for what's right. The miracle happened in Lake Placid—a town with deep personal roots for our guest, Bryan Benway. It's a reminder that the spaces we create (in schools, stadiums, or communities) can hold meaning and inspire greatness when people feel connected to them. About Bryan Benway: Bryan Benway brings nearly 20 years of award-winning experience in communications to his role as Director of Marketing at Bartlett Cocke General Contractors. Since joining the company in October 2024, he has led the Marketing Department to earn the SMPS San Antonio People's Choice Award for the 2024 holiday card design. Prior to Bartlett Cocke, Bryan served as Director of Communications for Boerne ISD, where his leadership earned the district nearly 50 awards from the Texas School Public Relations Association (TSPRA). His individual accolades include being named a 2020 Hill Country 40 Under 40 honoree by the Economic Development Corporation and receiving the Schreiner University Rising Star Award in 2016. Bryan's diverse background also includes serving as District Director for Texas State Representative Kyle Biedermann and as a National Host for Yahoo! Sports Radio, where he hosted a nightly talk show broadcast on more than 800 stations nationwide, including SiriusXM. Learn More About Bryan Benway: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-benway-50b8b073/ Learn More About Bartlett Cocke General Contractors: Website: https://www.bartlettcocke.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/bartlett-cocke-general-contractors/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 244 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
What happens when the challenges students face outside the classroom overshadow everything happening within it? In this episode of our school-focused movie review series, we dive into Rich Hill—the 2014 Sundance Grand Jury Prize-winning documentary that offers an unfiltered look into the lives of three teenage boys growing up in rural Missouri. The film captures the challenges they face in poverty-stricken homes, unstable environments, and a school system struggling to support them. Joining us to break down the themes and realities of Rich Hill is a special guest - Dr. Julie Williams, a school superintendent at Fayetteville Public Schools who brings invaluable insight into how schools are navigating similar struggles across the country. Together, we explore what the film gets right, what educators can learn from it, and how it pushes us to think differently about the role schools play in students' lives beyond academics. Takeaways: Rich Hill shows how hunger, housing insecurity, and mental health challenges often come before homework. For schools, this underscores the need for trauma-informed practices and wraparound services. The boys in the film don't just struggle in school—they struggle to show up, to stay focused, to feel safe. Educators are reminded that consistency, structure, and relationships are just as essential as curriculum. The film highlights how cycles of poverty are perpetuated by factors outside any one school's control—but it also shows the power of local leadership and community partnerships in starting to break those cycles. Learn More About Julie Williams: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjulierwilliams/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 243 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
It's easy to remember Annie for its catchy tunes and iconic optimism. But what if we told you this classic musical also offers a surprising amount of insight into our education system? In our latest episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we take a fresh look at the 1982 film adaptation of Annie through the eyes of school designers and changemakers. From the harsh institutional feel of Miss Hannigan's orphanage to Daddy Warbucks's transformative environment where Annie's potential flourishes, the movie mirrors a central truth we see in schools every day: the physical and emotional environment matters. We break down key scenes like the group routines, the classroom-like discipline, and the contrasting settings Annie experiences to explore how learning environments shape behavior, engagement, and opportunity. Whether you're an educator, school leader, architect, or just a fan of classic cinema, this conversation is a reminder that when we create spaces and systems built on care, flexibility, and belief in kids' potential, anything, even the impossible, becomes possible. Takeaways: The stark contrast between the cold, institutional orphanage and the warm, opportunity-filled mansion mirrors how learning environments affect student mindset, behavior, and engagement. Just like Annie, students thrive in spaces where they feel valued and safe. Miss Hannigan's rigid, top-down approach reflects outdated models of control in education. In contrast, the trust and autonomy Annie gains in Warbucks's world show how empowerment fosters confidence, creativity, and curiosity—traits every modern classroom should support. Annie's story reminds us that students often just need one adult to believe in them. Teachers, principals, and support staff can play this vital role—especially for students facing adversity. About Olivia Graf: As the design visionary and thought leader responsible for conceptualizing innovative learning environments at A4E, Olivia leads the practice in planning, programming and the overall design direction of the firm through an interactive and collaborative process. She believes that outstanding projects begin with a clear concept and should balance aesthetics with curriculum-based innovations to create expressive and functional 21st century educational environments that feature hands-on/ minds-on maker spaces, transdisciplinary settings, and project-based learning. Her commitment and involvement extend through every phase of the design process. Olivia is also on the Leadership Group of the American Institute of Architects' Committee on Architecture for Education (AIA-CAE) and is a frequent speaker at education-focused conferences, including the California STEAM Symposium, California School Business Expo (CASBO), EDspaces, NSTA, and AIA-CAE. Learn More About Olivia Graf: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olivia-graf-7a0a8065/ Learn More About Architecture for Education (A4E): Website: https://architecture4e.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/architecture-for-education-incorporated/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Architecture4e/ Connect with host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Connect with co-host, Matt Rogers: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-rogers-profile/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 242 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
What if a group of students created their own college because no one else would accept them? That's exactly what happens in the 2006 movie Accepted, where a handful of students—rejected by every school they applied to—decide to take matters into their own hands. They invent a fake university, build a website, rent a building, and unknowingly attract hundreds of other students who also felt pushed out by the traditional system. What starts as a lie quickly transforms into something surprisingly real: a student-led, curiosity-driven learning environment where everyone is accepted for who they are. On the surface, it's a comedy. But underneath the jokes and wild antics is a powerful question that feels more relevant today than it did nearly 20 years ago: Is college really necessary for every student—or has the system become more about tradition and conformity than about helping kids thrive? In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we explore the message behind Accepted and how it mirrors a growing sentiment in education: that we need to rethink what success looks like, who gets to define it, and how we create learning environments that put students first. Whether you're an educator, parent, school leader, or just someone who's ever asked “Why do we do it this way?”, this episode is for you. Takeaways: While the movie delivers plenty of laughs, it also challenges the rigid, one-size-fits-all structure of traditional higher education. It asks: What happens to students who don't fit the mold? With rising tuition costs, student debt, and alternative career paths, many students today are questioning the traditional college route. Accepted sparks conversations about whether higher education is serving students—or just serving the system. The fictional South Harmon Institute of Technology thrives because students have control over their learning. This aligns directly with modern education movements that prioritize student agency, passion-based learning, and flexible pathways to success. At its core, Accepted is about belonging. When students feel safe, supported, and seen, they're more likely to engage, take risks, and grow. That's a message that transcends comedy and it's the foundation of good education. References from the Episode: Malcolm Gladwell – Why You Shouldn't Go to Harvard Differing Minds: Considering Neurodiversity in Educational Spaces About Emily Wright: Emily J. Wright is a registered architect with over 15 years of experience, an undergraduate degree in biochemistry, a background in clinical psychology, and experience teaching English abroad. Although neurotypical herself, her father, brother, husband, and their three children are neurodivergent. She believes buildings and spaces have a profound impact on our functioning and well-being. Learn More About Emily Wright: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-wright-aia-leed-ap-69a91781/ About Laura Smyles: Laura Smyles has over 12 years of experience as an Architect and Educational Planner with Grimm + Parker. As the daughter of a 25-year-long career public school teacher, she brings her unique perspective to educational design along with her direct experience of working with several school systems across the DMV. Mom to three under 5, she is especially familiar with the importance of creating an environment that improves emotional regulation - for kids and adults alike. Learn More About Laura Smyles: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-smyles-aia-well-ap-251b9945/ Learn More About Grimm + Parker Architects: Website: https://www.grimmandparker.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grimm---parker-architects/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GandPArchitects Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gp_architects/ X: https://x.com/gparchitects Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 241 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
If you've ever rooted for the underdog, Hoosiers probably lives rent-free in your head. The 1986 classic isn't just about basketball—it's about second chances, small-town pride, and what happens when people start believing in themselves and each other. Set in 1950s Indiana, the film follows a high school basketball team no one expects to win… until they do. In this episode, we explore why Hoosiers continues to resonate in classrooms and communities alike. From Coach Norman Dale's controversial methods to the redemptive arc of Shooter, the town drunk turned assistant coach, there's no shortage of teachable moments. At its core, Hoosiers is a story about grit, growth, and the undeniable impact of mentorship. Whether you're an educator, a coach, or just someone who still gets chills watching the final game, this episode breaks down what Hoosiers has to say about leadership, trust, and building belief in unlikely places. Takeaways: Coach Dale's insistence on fundamentals—and his refusal to compromise—highlights the tension between tradition and transformation in education and leadership. Shooter's redemption arc is a powerful reminder of the importance of giving people a chance to rise when others have written them off. The tiny gym, the limited roster, the towering opponents—it all reinforces the idea that success isn't about size, but about heart, unity, and vision. "Don't get caught up in the size of the arena"—a lesson for educators and students alike. Great things can come from the smallest places when expectations are high and support is strong. About Dr. Deborah Kerr: Dr. Deborah Kerr is proud to serve as Superintendent of St. Francis Public School District, where she is leading a bold vision to become the best version of SFPSD yet. With a deep commitment to student-centered, equity-focused, and future-driven education, Dr. Kerr is focused on building strong partnerships with staff, families, and the community. Through her listening and learning tour, she's discovered a shared passion for diversity, dedication to student success, and an unwavering belief in the potential of every learner. Her mission: to help every student discover their strengths, passions, and purpose—and prepare them for a future they choose. Learn More About Dr. Deborah Kerr: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-deb-kerr-7b2aaa19/ Learn More About St. Francis Public School District: Website: https://www.stfrancisschools.org/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StFrancisSDWI/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stfrancissd_wi/ X: https://x.com/StFrancisSDWI Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 240 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
If you grew up in the '90s, there's a good chance Matilda made you believe two things: libraries are magical, and adults DEFINITELY don't always know best... The 1996 movie, adapted from Roald Dahl's classic book, gave us a hero who wasn't loud or flashy - but smart, kind, and quietly powerful. Oh, and she had telekinesis. So yeah, iconic. In this episode, we dive into why Matilda still hits all these years later. From the hilariously awful Wormwoods to the nightmare-fuel that is Miss Trunchbull, it's a story that balances dark humor with real heart. But beyond the fantasy, there's something incredibly real about a kid discovering her voice and the courage to use it. Whether you're an educator, a parent, or just someone who remembers rewinding the chocolate cake scene way too many times, this one's worth revisiting. Join us as we unpack what Matilda can still teach us about agency, learning, and the power of finding just one person who believes in you. Takeaways: Miss Trunchbull's classroom is fear-based, while Miss Honey's is nurturing, and that contrast highlights just how much learning environments shape students' confidence and curiosity. Miss Honey shows the life-changing impact a caring, attentive educator can have. A single person believing in a student's potential can rewrite their story. Bruce Bogtrotter vs. the giant chocolate cake is one of the most memorable scenes in Matilda—and not just because it's grossly hilarious. It's a perfect metaphor for standing up to power. What starts as a cruel punishment turns into a full-on moment of triumph, as the entire student body silently shifts from fear to cheering him on. About Charlotte Nienhaus, AIA: Charlotte Nienhaus is an architect at ISG based in southern MN with 10 years of experience in the industry. She specializes in education design and enjoys helping school districts maximize student environments through architecture. Through the years, Charlotte has completed projects from small interior renovations all the way up to complete K-12 new builds and has found a niche in working with smaller rural school districts to help bring the same opportunities to those students as larger districts are able to offer. Learn More About Charlotte Nienhaus, AIA: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlotte-nienhaus-aia-848ba8104/ Learn More About ISG: Website: https://www.isginc.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ISGInc1973 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/isginc1973/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/isginc/ X: https://x.com/isginc1973 Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 239 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
When High School Musical 2 premiered on Disney Channel in August 2007, it shattered records with over 17 million viewers tuning in on its first night — making it the most-watched cable movie at the time. Trading school hallways for summer jobs at a posh country club, the film dives deeper into the personal growth of its characters, especially Troy Bolton. As he's tempted by opportunities that could shape his future, he starts to drift from his friends and Gabriella, leading to heartfelt moments like “Gotta Go My Own Way” and the now-iconic (and meme-worthy) “Bet On It.” With a vibrant setting, high-energy choreography, and a soundtrack that defined a generation, the movie balances summer fun with themes of loyalty, ambition, and staying true to yourself. What sets High School Musical 2 apart from the original is its emotional depth and visual glow-up. From Sharpay's hilariously over-the-top “Fabulous” to the sun-soaked golf course showdowns, the movie feels bigger and bolder while still holding onto the sincerity that made the first film a hit. For many fans, it remains the best in the trilogy - not just for the catchy songs, but for how it captures the confusing transition between teenage fun and adult choices. At its core, it's a feel-good reminder that success means little if you lose yourself along the way. Takeaways: Unlike the first movie, High School Musical 2 explores personal ambition and integrity. Troy's internal conflict between chasing opportunity and staying loyal to his friends adds emotional depth that resonates with viewers growing up alongside the characters. The entire movie takes place in a wealthy country club, with Troy and his friends working as staff while Sharpay enjoys every luxury. This creates a visible tension between socioeconomic classes - particularly when Troy is offered elite opportunities at the expense of his peer group. The summer setting shows that learning and personal growth don't pause when school is out. How we support students in extended learning environments (internships, summer programs, real-world exposure) can have lasting impact. Gabriella choosing to walk away from what doesn't align with her values is a powerful example of student agency. When schools give students meaningful choices in their learning and extracurriculars, they're more likely to take ownership of their growth. About Erin Jennings, IIDA, AIA, NCIDQ, NCARB: Erin Jennings, IIDA, AIA, NCIDQ, NCARB is an Architect, Registered Interior Designer, and Principal for Luminaut, believing that design is just as much about the way something looks as it is about how it functions. Her commitment to that philosophy has yielded the award-winning designs of numerous university, library, and k-12 projects. Her design efforts are motivated by a desire to create conscious impact on the end-user experience. Community environments are the spaces in which Erin's leadership skills and her interdisciplinary approach have had the most positive influence on the greatest number of people. She's highly involved in industry and community organizations both regionally and nationally, and through regular attendance and speaking engagements at thought-leadership conferences. She currently serves on advisory boards, closely monitors building trends, space planning techniques, and continually studies and tests innovative products, all while keeping the protection of the public at the forefront of mind. As the Immediate Past President of the International Board of Directors for CIDQ, she closely collaborates with industry regulatory partners from NCARB, CLARB, and NCEES. She has demonstrated industry advocacy experience as a Past President for the IIDA Indiana Chapter and Past Chair for the AIA National Interior Architecture Knowledge Community. She's knowledgeable, meticulous, and advocates relentlessly on behalf of her clients and their end-users. Erin's continued deep-rooted passion subsists in mentoring young professionals, and most recently, teaching students in the collegiate setting. As an Adjunct Instructor of Interior Design at the College of Architecture & Planning at Ball State University, she strives to bridge the disciplines of architecture and interior design, not to advocate that one can do another, but to advocate the value-add when the two work in harmony with one another. Erin has committed her life and career to advancing the design industry. From her dual degreed experience at Ball State, to the licensing and certification process for both interior design and architecture, she strives to engage at the highest level. Her main focus: Fostering passion and compassion through elevating the human experience within the built learning environment. Learn More About Erin Jennings, IIDA, AIA, NCIDQ, NCARB: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erin-jennings-iida-aia-ncidq-ncarb-3a23b111/ Learn More About Luminaut: Website: https://luminaut.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/luminautarchitecture/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/luminaut/ Connect with Host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 238 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
What if your first day of school wasn't just nerve-wracking, but something you'd spent your entire life preparing for? That's the reality for Auggie Pullman, the main character in Wonder (2017), a film that tells the story of a young boy with facial differences entering a mainstream school for the first time. In this episode, host Kevin Stoller, co-host Carla Cummins, and guest speaker Brian Proctor took a deep dive into the film - not just as a touching family drama, but as a case study in education. From peer relationships to teacher support to the role of school culture, Wonder gives us a lens through which we can evaluate how schools succeed - or fail - in creating inclusive, student-centered environments. The panel explores the film's central themes of belonging, identity, and the dynamics of family and friendship. They dive into character development, examining how each person - Auggie, his sister Via, classmates like Jack Will, and school leaders - represents a different experience with acceptance and adversity. The conversation also touches on kindness, leadership, bullying, and the growing influence of social media in school dynamics. Guest Brian Proctor, who transitioned from education leadership to a role in school architecture, shares his perspective on how physical space contributes to emotional safety and inclusion. Takeaways: Family dynamics play a crucial role in shaping children's emotional and social growth. The principal's leadership style showcases how kindness and character education can take priority over rigid rule enforcement. Quotes from the film, like “When given the choice between being right and being kind, choose kind,” leave a lasting emotional impact. Social media is a double-edged sword—it can amplify support, but also bullying, shaping students' daily realities. About Brian Proctor: With 25 years of experience in public education, Brian Proctor joined Ratio as an Associate Principal and Education Planner, bringing new perspectives and thought processes to projects as he serves as a bridge between K12 clients and design teams. Brian offers unique and relevant insights based on his first-hand experience within education organizations, including years of leadership as an elementary school principal and as a key contributor to the design and development teams of multiple school renovation and construction projects. Drawn to Ratio's values-driven culture and community-focused team, Brian shares a passion for personal growth and positive impact. He connects people through fun and energetic communication that comforts and engages and encourages active participation. His work focuses not only on the social and emotional wellbeing of students and staff, but also on purposeful design that supports all learners. By simplifying situations and spaces – reducing barriers and minimizing anxiety – schools become fun and nurturing spaces where kids feel a sense of autonomy and support, and love to learn. Brian is a caring and energetic connector who gains his own personal fulfillment by sharing with others and spreading joy – often supported by a closet full of entertaining costumes. Devoting as much time as he can to gathering with family and friends, Brian is dedicated to cultivating partnerships, nurturing relationships, and building better communities – and to taking life one day at a time, making sure to stop along the way to have fun. “If we're asking teachers and kids to be innovative in their learning and problem solving, then we need to be innovative too.” Learn More About Brian Proctor: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianproctor2022/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 237 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we dive into the iconic 1989 film Lean on Me, starring Morgan Freeman as the unforgettable Principal Joe Clark—a tough, uncompromising, and deeply committed educator who is called in to rescue a failing inner-city school on the brink of state takeover. Set in Eastside High School in Paterson, New Jersey, the film dramatizes the true story of how Clark used controversial, often militant methods to confront violence, low academic performance, and deteriorating morale. But underneath the shouting, chain-wrapped doors, and expelled drug dealers lies a message about courage, leadership, and believing in students when no one else will. Joining host Kevin Stoller for this breakdown is Dr. Brian K O'Keeffe, who brings an educational leader's perspective to the real-world challenges reflected in the film. Together, they explore what Lean on Me gets right—and wrong—about education reform, school culture, and the role of school leaders today. Takeaways: Lean on Me reminds us that strong leadership often requires making bold, unpopular decisions. Principal Joe Clark's extreme methods may have sparked controversy, but his unwavering commitment to student success lit a fire for change. Clark's toughest love came from a deep belief in his students' potential. This episode highlights how powerful it can be when educators see beyond circumstances and treat students as capable of excellence - sometimes before they believe it themselves. Before any academic improvements can happen, a school must rebuild its culture. The film shows how restoring order, setting expectations, and cultivating pride in the school community were the essential first steps. The same applies in today's schools—culture drives outcomes. About Dr. Brian K O'Keeffe From finishes to space planning and furniture selection, Thea collaborates with project team members, consultants, district staff, and stakeholders to develop interior design solutions that enhance their school's design and align with the district's educational goals. Thea balances design expertise with end user advocacy to facilitate focus group sessions and synthesize feedback, creating spaces that reflect a learning community's unique identity. Learn More About Dr. Brian K O'Keeffe: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-o-keeffe-ed-d-sfo-22348719/ Learn More About Community Unit School District 200: Website: https://www.cusd200.org/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/district200 Twitter: https://x.com/cusd200 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cusd200 Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 236 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we're breaking down the 1986 comedy Back to School, where Rodney Dangerfield plays a loud, lovable millionaire who enrolls in college to reconnect with his son and shakes up the entire campus in the process. Joined by guest Thea Wayburn from BRIC Architecture, host Kevin Stoller and co-host Carla Cummins take a deeper look at how the film portrays higher education, student life, and the meaning of "fitting in." Part of our ongoing series dissecting school-related movies, we explore what this over-the-top comedy reveals (intentionally or not) about learning environments, relationships, and how schools support, or fail to support, belonging and growth. Takeaways: Rodney Dangerfield's character may be unconventional, but his experience highlights the importance of creating inclusive environments where students of all backgrounds feel like they belong - something schools and universities are still working to get right today. While Back to School leans into comedy, it also touches on deeper issues like academic elitism, outdated teaching methods, and the value of real-world experience, sparking a conversation about what learning should look like in modern education. The movie challenges the idea that there's only one “right” way to succeed in education. We discuss how schools can better support alternative learners and value life experience alongside academic achievement. About Thea Wayburn From finishes to space planning and furniture selection, Thea collaborates with project team members, consultants, district staff, and stakeholders to develop interior design solutions that enhance their school's design and align with the district's educational goals. Thea balances design expertise with end user advocacy to facilitate focus group sessions and synthesize feedback, creating spaces that reflect a learning community's unique identity. Learn More About Thea Wayburn: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thea-wayburn-9b3a16256/ Learn More About Pfluger Architects: Website: https://www.bric-arch.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bric.arch Twitter: https://x.com/bric_arch Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bric_arch/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 235 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we dive deep (pun intended) into Finding Nemo - the animated adventure that's equal parts heartwarming, hilarious, and insightful. As part of our series on school-related films, we explore what this Pixar classic can tell us about the student experience, the importance of trust and independence, and how schools can support every kind of learner on their journey. Joining host Kevin Stoller is co-host Carla Cummins and special guest Brenda Swirczynski from Pfluger Architects, bringing both educational and design perspectives to the table. Together, they unpack the film's themes of overprotection, resilience, and growth — and how those same challenges show up in real-world school environments. From Marlin's struggle to let go, to Nemo's need to prove himself, the conversation begins to ask: What can educators, school leaders, and architects learn from this undersea tale? How can schools create environments where students feel safe to explore, fail, and thrive? Takeaways: Marlin's instinct to shield Nemo from danger mirrors how schools and parents can sometimes overcorrect in the name of safety. Just as Nemo's “lucky fin” made him different — but not less capable — the conversation highlights the importance of designing spaces and systems that accommodate a wide range of learners, abilities, and personalities. From Dory's unorthodox support to the Tank Gang's teamwork, the film underscores the power of collaboration — a theme echoed in the episode's discussion around how architects, educators, and designers must work together to build student-centered spaces. About Brenda Swirczynski Brenda is a lifelong educator with experience in a variety of educational applications. As a classroom teacher, outdoor educator, and university instructor, she has had the privilege to collaborate with varied audiences on multi-disciplinary projects. Brenda possesses expertise in designing curricula, inquiry-based learning, and educational experiences for audiences with diverse backgrounds. Brenda received her Bachelor's degree in Education and Master's in Environmental Science from the University of North Texas. She is a graduate of Cohort 9 of the Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) Advanced Academy, earning her Learning Environment Planner (ALEP) accreditation. She continues her design work with individuals who are equally passionate about supporting educators and their students as the Educational Facilities Planner at Pfluger Architects. Finding Nemo is one of her top 10 movies favs of all time! Learn More About Brenda Swirczynski: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brenda-swirczynski/ Learn More About Pfluger Architects: LinkedIn: https://pflugerarchitects.com/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 234 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode, we're diving into the wildly popular teen comedy Superbad — one of the most iconic (and ridiculous) high school movies out there. As part of our series on school-related films, we're looking at what Superbad got right about the student experience, what it totally blew out of proportion, and why it still hits home for so many people. Superbad follows two inseparable best friends, Seth and Evan, as they navigate their final days of high school — chasing parties, popularity, and one last shot at leaving their mark before graduation. Beneath all the chaos and crude humor is a surprisingly real look at teenage friendship, insecurity, and the awkward (and often hilarious) leap into adulthood — a sneak peek at one of the hot takes from our episode! We unpack the awkwardness, social dynamics, and over-the-top moments — and ask what it all says about how pop culture portrays school life. It's part movie breakdown, part education lens, and all about what we can learn (and laugh at) when Hollywood takes on high school. What does it say about student relationships, social dynamics, and the overall high school experience? How do movies like this shape the way we think about education — and how students think about themselves? We're not taking it too seriously (it is Superbad, after all), but we are looking at what educators and school leaders can learn from how pop culture reflects — and distorts — the real student experience. Takeaways: Superbad, like many teen comedies, exaggerates for laughs, but it also influences how students, parents, and even educators view the high school experience. Behind the chaos and crude humor, Superbad highlights a very real truth: students crave meaningful friendships and validation during a time of major life transitions. While Superbad doesn't show much of the classroom environment, it reminds us how much of student life happens in between classes — in the social spaces. It's a good reminder that learning environments need to be designed for connection, mobility, and authenticity. Laughing at the awkwardness and absurdity of adolescence helps us connect to students' experiences. Movies like Superbad give us an opportunity to talk about real issues — like peer pressure, insecurity, and self-discovery — in a more approachable way. About Nick Duffy Nick has spent nearly 20 years in education with over a decade as a school principal, focused on serving and leading students, staff, and systems in the Eastern Iowa area. He has experience facilitating meetings large and small with effective communication to prioritize consensus building, conflict resolution, and problem solving. Nick's background includes collaborating with leadership teams to set priorities and focus areas that works toward the organizational goals and action plans, along with adjusting resources as needed. He values people-based and culture-impact principles in his decisions, and brings this perspective to the every table to foster a positive environment for all stakeholders. Learn More About Nick Duffy: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/npduffy/ About Ken Hagen, AIA, ALEP As a senior project architect and K-12 Region Leader at OPN Architects, a Midwest design firm with five studios, Ken has spent most of his 23 years of practice designing student-centric spaces. His recent experience includes multiple new high schools, master planning and implementation for several districts, a new performing arts center for a school district, and a re- imagined visitor experience at a performance venue for a university. He also led the transformation of a university's center for advanced engineering. In planning and designing spaces for both students and educators – from pre-K to postgraduate – Ken has an approach that is rooted in integrating pedagogy, design, and function. He finds inspiration in the intersection of materials and experiences. Color, texture, and lighting create mood and are a muse for both the designer and user. Learn More About Ken Hagen, AIA, ALEP: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ken-hagen-aia-alep-50a047a/ Learn More About OPN Architects: LinkedIn: https://opnarchitects.com/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Episode 233 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Kevin Stoller is joined by co-host Carla Cummins and guest speaker Brian Parker, AIA, ALEP—Vice President of K-12 at MHTN Architects—for a quirky and insightful conversation centered around the 2004 classic Napoleon Dynamite. As one of only two Accredited Learning Environment Planners in Utah, Brian brings a unique design perspective rooted in empathy, student agency, and unlocking the potential within every learner. Napoleon Dynamite follows the offbeat story of an awkward high schooler navigating friendship, identity, and self-expression in rural Idaho. Through the lens of this oddball comedy, Kevin, Carla, and Brian explore deeper themes of inclusion, overlooked potential, and the importance of designing learning spaces that honor the individuality of each student. They reflect on how schools can be more than institutions—they can be launchpads for confidence, creativity, and quiet greatness, especially for those who don't always fit the traditional mold. Takeaways: Just like the characters in Napoleon Dynamite, students don't all fit into a standard mold—and that's something to celebrate. School environments should support individuality and provide room for students to be unapologetically themselves. When students feel seen, heard, and valued—whether in the classroom or the cafeteria—they're more likely to engage and thrive. Designing for belonging is just as important as designing for function. Like Napoleon, many students have gifts that aren't always loud or obvious. Educators and designers should look for ways to highlight and support those quiet strengths. A little levity and creativity go a long way in helping students (and educators) feel connected and human. Schools don't have to be stiff to be successful. About Brian Parker, AIA, ALEP Brian has dedicated his career to designing spaces that support the engagement of students and teachers in the learning process. He is one of roughly 100 Accredited Learning Environment Planners in the United States – and one of two in the State of Utah. His design talent, expertise, and leadership style inspires innovative solutions as he leads the MHTN K-12 team in developing educational facilities. Learn More About Brian Parker, AIA, ALEP: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianparkerarchitect/ Learn More About Co-Host, Carla Cummins LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Episode 232 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Kevin Stoller is joined by co-host Matt Rogers and guest speaker Mason Pashia, Partner (Storytelling) at Getting Smart Collective, for an energetic and thought-provoking conversation centered around the 2003 cult classic School of Rock. Known for his work amplifying the voices of educators and change-makers through storytelling, Mason brings a fresh and imaginative lens to how we think about student engagement, creative expression, and nontraditional learning paths. School of Rock follows the story of Dewey Finn, a struggling musician who finds unexpected purpose—and unleashes unexpected potential—when he poses as a substitute teacher and transforms a class of rule-following prep school kids into a rock band. Together, Matt and Mason explore the film's deeper themes of passion, authenticity, and belonging in education. They reflect on how schools can create space for students to discover their identities, pursue what excites them, and challenge conventional measures of success—all while staying grounded in a mission to serve and empower every learner. Takeaways: School of Rock highlights how stepping outside traditional curriculum and teaching methods can unlock student potential and engagement in surprising ways. Dewey Finn's enthusiasm for music becomes the bridge that allows students to connect with their interests—and with each other. Educators can harness this same power by leading with passion. The film underscores the importance of allowing students to have a say in their learning journey. When students are given autonomy, they rise to the occasion and take ownership of their growth. Matt and Mason explore how School of Rock challenges rigid definitions of success and encourages schools to recognize diverse forms of excellence—not just academic achievement. About Mason Pashia: Mason Pashia is a Partner (Storytelling) at Getting Smart Collective. Through publications, blogs, podcasts, town halls, newsletters, and more, he helps drive the perspective and focus of GettingSmart.com. He advocates for data and collective imagination and uses this combination to launch campaigns that amplify voices, organizations, and missions. With over a decade in the storytelling sector (including brand strategy, marketing and communications, and the arts), Mason is always striving to inspire as well as inform. Learn More About Mason Pashia: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/masonpashia/ Mason's Substack: Featuring Weekly Original Music and Poetry Learn More About The Getting Smart Podcast: Website: https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/ Catching Up: A New Podcast from Getting Smart The Third Horizon of Learning Flipping the Script: Hollywood's Role in Changing Depictions of Learning Environments About Matt Rogers: Matt Rogers is a dynamic professional deeply committed to advancing the education industry through innovative strategies and impactful initiatives. As the Communications Manager at Kay-Twelve, he leads transformative efforts in education by revolutionizing physical learning environments and improving education through the use of media. His dedication has earned him recognition as Kay-Twelve's Core Values Employee of the Year in both 2021 and 2022, and also positioned him as one of the inaugural winners of the NexGen Awards in 2023. Matt joined the Kay-Twelve team in 2019 as an intern while attending Fisher College of Business at The Ohio State University. Matt's multifaceted approach extends beyond his role at Kay-Twelve; he serves as the lead Producer for the Better Learning Podcast where they facilitate enlightening discussions that break down the silos of physical space, leadership, and culture in education. Learn More About Matt Rogers LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-rogers-profile/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Episode 231 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
What is a Green School? When people hear “Green School,” they often picture solar panels, school gardens, or maybe a greenhouse out back. While those are pieces of the puzzle, the full picture is much more powerful. A Green School integrates sustainability into every aspect of the learning experience: from the design of its physical space to its curriculum, culture, and community impact. It's a school that not only teaches sustainability but lives it, showing students, educators, and families what a healthier, more equitable future can look like—and empowering them to lead the way. In our latest episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we dive into why Green Schools matter now more than ever. With nearly 100,000 public schools across the U.S., the stakes are high. School facilities don't just house students—they influence how well they learn, how healthy they are, and how connected their communities feel. We explore the current challenges in school infrastructure, including the startling reality that many buildings still lack basics like proper ventilation or air conditioning. These gaps disproportionately affect underserved communities and create barriers to learning and well-being. A Green School aims to change that. By reducing environmental impact, improving health and performance, and delivering sustainability education, these schools set the standard for how we treat each other and the planet. They become catalysts for change—transforming not just students, but entire communities. Takeaways: Green Schools go beyond solar panels and gardens. They integrate sustainability into curriculum, culture, and community. Millions of students attend outdated schools every day — with nearly 100,000 public schools across the U.S. and over 7.5 billion square feet in need of modernization, the learning environment is failing to keep pace with student needs. School leaders play a critical role in long-term sustainability. Partnering with experts who prioritize healthy, future-ready design ensures that new school buildings serve students and communities for decades to come, not just on day one. Schools can take advantage of available tax credits and funding by prioritizing sustainable building practices. About The Guest Panelists: Jana Silsby, DLR Group LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jana-silsby-450b7a13/ Phoebe Beierle, U.S. Green Building Council: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phoebebeierle/ Sara Ross, UnDauntedK12: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarajross/ Connect with episode host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ The Energy, Carbon, and Sustainability in K-12 Education Symposium When: June 24th-25th Where: Washington DC Register & Learn More Here! Episode 230 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Carla Cummins is joined by co-host Victoria Morlan as well as architect and education advocate Don Baus for a powerful conversation around the 1988 film Stand and Deliver. With decades of combined experience in designing and supporting student-centered environments, the two explore how the true story of Jaime Escalante continues to challenge and inspire today's educators, designers, and school leaders. Set in a struggling East L.A. high school, Stand and Deliver follows math teacher Jaime Escalante as he empowers his students to defy expectations and succeed in AP Calculus—despite systemic barriers and cultural doubt. Victoria and Don dig into the film's themes of belief, rigor, and resilience, connecting them to their own work helping schools design spaces where students feel seen, capable, and empowered to succeed. Don, Charleston Office President for architecture firm Little and a longtime champion of inspiring learning environments, brings a unique design perspective to the discussion. Together, he and Victoria reflect on what it truly means to curate spaces and systems that allow every student to rise—and the ongoing responsibility educators and designers have to ensure equity, access, and inspiration are built into every learning experience. Takeaways: Jaime Escalante's unwavering belief in his students' potential shows how a single educator's confidence can transform lives and outcomes. When we set the bar high and provide support, students often exceed what others believed possible. Recognizing and valuing diverse backgrounds helps educators design learning experiences that truly resonate. Thoughtful school design - both physical and emotional - can inspire students and help them thrive. About Don Baus: As past president of AIA Charleston, Don is deeply rooted in South Carolina and champions the delivery of Little's promise to elevate client performance while advancing the firm's reputation in thought leadership, innovation and breakthrough ideas throughout the state. Don has more than 26 years of industry experience on regional projects including K-12 education, higher education, civic, healthcare and mixed-use. He has successfully led teams through all facets of project development from conceptual design through construction, always with a focus on client success and design excellence. Learn More About Don Baus, AIA, LEED AP: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-baus-22b445a/ Learn More About Little Diversified Architectural Consulting: Website: https://www.littleonline.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/little-diversified-architectural-consulting/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/littleonline_ About Victoria Brooks Morlan, CPSI, ECLPS: Victoria Brooks Morlan came to Kay-Twelve with 25 years of experience in the education space. She has worked with schools and architects throughout the Carolinas, Virginia and Georgia, helping to develop innovative learning environments for students of all ages. A teacher by education, Victoria has a unique ability for connecting with her clients while seeking to provide them with a holistic solution to foster innovative, collaborative and pedagogy-driven learning environments. Learn More About Victoria Brooks Morlan, CPSI, ECLPS: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoria-morlan-cpsi-eclps-54787456/ Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: https://kay-twelve.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/ Connect with episode host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Episode 229 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, Carla Cummins is joined by her daughter Jennifer Cummins and special guests Candace Seda and Stephanie Seda for a fun and thought-provoking dive into Disney's 2006 cultural phenomenon High School Musical. With a multigenerational panel of educators, designers, and education advocates, the group explores how the film's catchy tunes, teen drama, and feel-good message intersect with real-life high school experiences. Set at the fictional East High School, High School Musical follows Troy Bolton and Gabriella Montez as they challenge stereotypes, break out of their expected roles, and redefine what it means to belong. The conversation goes beyond choreography to unpack deeper themes of identity, student voice, peer pressure, and the often rigid boxes students are placed in. Carla, Jenny, Candace, and Stephanie reflect on how the film's message of “breaking free” still resonates with students today. They discuss the importance of cultivating environments where young people feel seen, safe, and empowered to pursue their full potential—whether on the court, in the lab, or on stage. Together, they celebrate the magic of student-centered learning while confronting the real challenges schools face in living that out. Takeaways: Students are more than stereotypes. Just like Troy and Gabriella, students thrive when given the freedom to explore interests outside of their “assigned” labels. Schools should nurture the whole child—not just the athlete, the scholar, or the artist. When students try something outside of the norm, they need allies—peers, teachers, and parents—who encourage them to break free from expectations and find their voice. Culture eats curriculum for breakfast. A strong, inclusive school culture is the foundation for student growth. The environment at East High showed how cliques and unwritten rules can restrict potential. Candace reflected on how High School Musical—with its vibrant sets, energetic common spaces, and distinct zones for different student identities—influences how designers think about school environments today. The film reminds us that the physical space of a school tells a story. When designing schools, it's not just about functionality; it's about creating places where students feel inspired, seen, and connected. About Candace Seda, NOMA, AIA, NCARB: Candace Seda is an Atlanta-born architect with almost a decade of professional experience in the K-12, higher education, civic, and medical office sectors. She earned her B.S. Arch and M. Arch from the Georgia Institute of Technology, specializing in graphic design and sustainability. As the daughter of an educator, she channels her passion for education and community to create inspiring learning environments, positively impacting the educational experience for future generations. Candace leverages her graphic design expertise to craft visually compelling and cohesive spaces through experiential graphics. Known for leading conversations on inclusion and equity, Candace aims to make quality design accessible to those historically excluded or overlooked, benefiting both clients and industry professionals. She accomplishes this through her work at Craig Gaulden Davis Architecture, organizations like VANOMA and Diversity Architecture, as well as her design firm Candace Seda Design. About Stephanie Seda: Stephanie Seda, a 26-year-old 5th-grade teacher based in Athens, GA, is deeply committed to empowering Black and Brown students to become confident leaders. With a strong passion for Social Studies education, Stephanie strives to make history come alive for her students, encouraging them to engage with the world around them. Outside the classroom, Stephanie is an avid reader and TV enthusiast, always ready for a thoughtful conversation. When she's not teaching or discussing the latest book or show, you can find her singing or roller skating, embracing her creative side and enjoying life to the fullest. Learn More About Craig Gaulden Davis | PBK Website: https://cgdarch.com/ Learn More About Candace Seda, NOMA, AIA, NCARB: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/candaceseda/ Learn More About Jennifer Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-cummins-/ Connect with host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/ Episode 228 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
Kevin Stoller is joined by longtime educator and podcast host Steve Miletto to unpack the 1984 film Teachers, a gritty dramedy that offers an unflinching critique of the American public school system. Directed by Arthur Hiller and starring Nick Nolte, Teachers dives headfirst into the dysfunction, bureaucracy, and burnout often hidden behind school walls. Set in a troubled urban high school, the story centers on idealistic teacher Alex Jurel, who's caught between his desire to make a difference and a system that seems determined to maintain the status quo. With subplots involving a mentally ill teacher who was never removed, a student lawsuit, and apathetic staff, the movie blurs the line between satire and sobering reality. Kevin and Steve discuss how many of the themes from Teachers—such as disengaged leadership, systemic failure, and student disillusionment—still resonate in today's schools. Their conversation explores what's changed (and what hasn't) in the decades since the film's release, the importance of strong school culture, and how educators can lead with purpose in the face of institutional challenges. It's a raw and honest discussion about the role of teachers, the need for systemic change, and the heart it takes to truly connect with students. Takeaways: Teachers (1984) offers a satirical yet sobering critique of the American public school system, many of which still resonate today. The character of Alex Jurel represents the struggle of passionate educators trying to make a difference within a broken system. The episode explores how authentic relationships and emotional intelligence are still the most powerful tools educators have. The discussion underscores the mental health toll on both students and teachers in rigid, outdated school environments. Despite the challenges, the film and the conversation both reinforce why committed, caring educators matter more than ever. About Steve Miletto: Steven Miletto, EdD has been an educator in Georgia(US) for 38 years. He has served public school families as a history teacher, assistant principal, high school principal, and RESA (Regional Education Service Agency) Executive Director in the Heart of Georgia RESA (8 years) and now with North Georgia RESA (3years). In 2009, he was the Georgia Principal of the Year and a finalist for NASSP/MetLife National Principal of the Year in 2010. In 2007 he received the Atlanta Braves/AT&T Educator of the Year Award. His focus in education is to help kids achieve their dreams. Learn More About Steve's Podcast, Teaching Learning Leading K12 Website: https://www.stevenmiletto.com/episodes/ Learn More About Steve Miletto Website: https://www.stevenmiletto.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenmiletto/ Twitter: https://x.com/SRMiletto YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKFLbruqt3wFKTMQg56gDtg Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Episode 227 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
Mean Girls, directed by Mark Waters and written by Tina Fey, is a cult classic teen comedy based on Rosalind Wiseman's book Queen Bees and Wannabes. The film humorously yet accurately portrays the harsh realities of high school social dynamics, focusing on cliques, peer pressure, and the impact of popularity on self-identity. The story follows Cady Heron, a homeschooled girl navigating the cutthroat social hierarchy of public high school life after moving from Africa. As she infiltrates "The Plastics," the school's most popular clique, Cady faces a moral dilemma that tests her values, self-image, and relationships. Though often comedic, the movie sheds light on serious issues like bullying, conformity, and the challenges of adolescence. In this episode, Kevin Stoller, Nancy Shapiro Rapport, and Steven Shapiro discuss the movie through the lens of parenting and education. They explore the challenges faced by kids and parents in today's society, particularly focusing on the mental health crisis and the breakdown of family structures. The conversation delves into character analyses, the impact of school environments, and the importance of emotional health in raising children. Takeaways: Consistent, intentional conversations about values and behavior are essential for raising resilient, emotionally healthy children. Small, deliberate actions can lead to significant, long-term results. A strong family culture, built on open communication and shared values, can help children navigate social pressures and define their identity. Parents need to engage in ongoing discussions about kindness, respect, and self-worth. Technology has fundamentally changed how teens communicate and form relationships. Setting boundaries around device use and fostering in-person connections can help counteract the isolating effects of screen time. Adolescence is a time of self-discovery, and social interactions can be intense and confusing. Understanding the pressures teens face helps parents provide better support. Schools can support parents by reinforcing positive behaviors and values, while communities can provide a support network for parents navigating the challenges of raising children. Comedy can be an effective way to connect with teens, understand their world, and initiate meaningful conversations. Movies like Mean Girls use humor to highlight real issues in adolescence. About Steven Shapiro: Steven Shapiro is a veteran school reimaginer, with over 30 years of K-12 classroom teaching experience, 15 concurrent years as a high school humanities program director, and four years as a district leader of experiential learning. Steven is the host of the acclaimed podcast Experience Matters. He delivers keynote presentations on topics including supporting parents in the digital age, addressing the youth mental health crisis, and designing authentic learning experiences. Steven and his wife Susan are the proud parents of three adult children. About Nancy Shapiro Rapport: Nancy spent the majority of her 34-year public-education career as a school counselor, supporting students and parents in navigating the challenging “middle years.” Her leadership roles in professional development and crisis management showcased her ability to identify needs, empathize with various stakeholders, and deliver results. As a certified Hudson Institute coach, Nancy has extensive training in coaching and human development. She has taught courses on learner mindset and question thinking, helping adults pursue a life of curiosity, inquiry, and possibility. Nancy brings a wealth of experience in both child and adult learning to her role as co-founder of Our Family Culture. Most importantly, she is the proud parent of two adult children, Emily and Jacob. Learn More About Our Family Culture: Website: https://ourfamilyculture.org/ Connect with Steven Shapiro: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-shapiro-experience-matters/ Connect with Nancy Shapiro Rapport: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancysrapport/ Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/ Episode 226 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website
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