Presenters recommend their favourite podcasts and speak to the people who make them.
It's BBC Radio 4 Extra's final Podcast Radio Hour so Laura Grimshaw, Amanda Litherland and Chris Pearson look back at some of the best co-hosts, podcasts and interview guests. With contributions from regular co-hosts Scott Bryan, Jon Holmes, Isy Suttie, Jessica Fostekew, Shivani Dave, Ella Watts, Ellie Gibson, Greg Cochrane, Imriel Morgan, Jake Yapp, Roshan Roberts, Chrystal Genesis and Salena Godden. Plus archive interviews with Nicola Coughlan and Camilla Whitehill, Alan Cumming, Suzannah Lipscomb, Steve Coogan, Lemn Sissay, Susannah Constantine, David Dimbleby and Neil Gaiman - and many more.
Wes Butters and his Producer, Kerry present a few of the best podcasts on fungi. Dr. Gordon Walker talks about the role of social media in sharing high quality information about fungi, Dr. Merlin Sheldrake tells us about the importance of amateurs in the field of Mycology - and the Podcast Producer, Katharine Kerr reveals the things that she learned about "zombie-ants" whilst creating a podcast in association with The Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew. Along the way, we'll hear clips from podcasts including... Cultures For Health The Mushroom Revival podcast Fascinated By Fungi StarTalk with Neil deGrasse Tyson Unherd The Bioneers: Revolution From The Heart Of Nature The Mushroom Hour Unearthed: Mysteries From An Unseen World
Chris Pearson and Ella Watts recommend apocalypse audio fiction. Jenny Turner Hall talks Marvel's Wastelanders: Wolverine, and discusses the pressures of working on a Marvel property, as well as the stakes that come from writing stories starring young characters. Plus Kc Wayland discusses We're Alive: Descendants - the latest iteration in the We're Alive universe, which brings to a close a story that began in 2009. We'll hear how Kc's military background influenced writing the show, and ask how has the podcast audio fiction landscape changed in the last thirteen years. And we'll recommend: - The Last Station - This American Wasteland - No Place but the Water - The Program Audio Series - Hello From The Hallowoods - Out of the Ashes - Spaceships - The Liminal Lands
Chris Pearson and Scott Bryan suggest new listening for October. Tubsey and Hyder, Bafta winners, join us to talk about their first steps into podcasting. Why did they want to start "The World According to Tubsey and Hyder" - and what do they love about working with each other? Plus we'll hear new conversation, documentary, and drama podcasts, including clips from: Carolina Herrera presents Walk Tall Restless Natives Fear Of Missing Out Crosshairs The Tower Weight of Sand Beneath Our Feet
Chris Pearson and Chrystal Genesis with podcasts for young ears. Molly Bloom discusses the debate show Smash Boom Best, and tells us why it's important to introduce children to debating at an early age. And Rebecca Sheir talks about her global storytelling podcast Circle Round, which introduces children to stories from around the world. Plus we'll hear clips from But Why? Kids Law Million Bazillion CBeebies Radio Podcast The Story Seeds Podcast
Podcast Radio Hour showcases new podcasts from the 2022 Class of BBC Sounds Audio Lab, and meets the six audio creatives who have bought their innovative ideas to BBC Sounds. Talia Randall discusses the urban nature series 'Blossom Trees and Burnt-Out Cars' Hamza Salmi talks about the series profiling someone described as 'the Forrest Gump of black power in the UK' - 'Who Was Michael X?' Adam Zmith takes us back to the early 20th century for a reality that didn't quite happen 'The Film We Can't See' Hanna Adan curates a sonic museum tour- 'The Museum of Bad Vibes' Tomi Dixon discusses the series charting the life stories of influential Britons of colour, 'Colouring In Britain'. And Jade Scott presses play on an audio mixtape contemplating the messier aspects of human experience, 'The Reset' Plus the BBC Sounds Audio Lab Commissioning Executive Khaliq Meer reflects on the programme as a whole, and discusses what's next for Audio Lab.
Laura Grimshaw and Isy Suttie present podcasts on living with chronic illnesses, with a focus on bladder and bowel issues, periods and endometriosis, migraines and joint and back pain, and chronic fatigue, ME, and fibromyalgia.
The video game journalist and co-host of the Scummy Mummies podcast Ellie Gibson joins Chris Pearson for gaming podcast picks. Lauren Kaye discusses her podcast 'She Plays Games', which aims to showcase and highlight women working behind the scenes in video game development. Plus, we'll hear clips from Safe Space History Respawned The Back Page Sound of Gaming The Psychology of Video Games Podcast The Knowledge Project - episode interviewing Jane McGonigal Game Till Five Not Your Mama's Gamer
Shivani Dave joins Chris Pearson to recommend a selection of bite-size podcasts. Arielle Free tells us about her short documentary series, The Rise and Fall of T in the Park. Plus we hear clips from Mercury: A Broadcast Of Hope Poem-a-Day Nipe Story Probably True Anthems My Life in the Mosh of Ghosts Sliced Bread Short & Curly 5 Minutes On The Savvy Psychologist's Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Mental Health If you have recommendations, do send us an email to PodcastRadioHour@BBC.co.uk
Laura Grimshaw and Jon Holmes present highlights and winners from this year's British Podcast Awards. The British Podcast Awards ceremony takes place on Saturday 23rd July at Kennington Park in London. There are 30 awards being presented including Best New, Best Comedy, Best Current Affairs, Best Fiction, the Climate Award, and the Rising Star Award. Plus one of the winners will be crowned Podcast of the Year 2022. For Podcast Radio Hour, we will chat to the winners, hosts and judges at the ceremony to bring the awards to you.
Laura Grimshaw and Shaun Keaveny present podcasts on the theme of creativity - or lack of it. Featuring artists, writers, musicians and actors discussing what inspires them, and where and when creativity hits - and how often the creative process can feel like wading through treacle on balsawood stilts. Shaun and Laura are joined by the actor Russell Tovey and the gallarist Robert Diament to discuss their podcast Talk Art - and taking inspiration from pretty things; by the actors Amrita Acharia and Sagar Radia to talk about their podcast Rule Not The Exception about perseverance and giving a platform to underrepresented voices; and by Claire Waite Brown who talks about her podcast Creativity Found about finding - or re-finding - creative outlets later in life.
Chris Pearson and Scott Bryan recommend new podcast listening for July. We're joined by Nick Grimshaw and Angela Hartnett OBE to talk about their new podcast, Dish. The two discuss their love of hosting, and we'll hear about what Nick's learned from cooking by watching the Michelin-star chef at work. Plus we'll hear clips from: Different with Nicky Campbell The New Conspiracist Westminster Insider Podcast All About Sound Hot Money Last Night Out Welcome To The Neighbourhood NonCensored Newts! The Music and Meditation Podcast
To mark the start of the Women's Euros on the 6th July, Laura Grimshaw and Eilidh Barbour round up the best in Women's Football Podcasts.
Laura Grimshaw and Roshan Roberts present highlights from the International Women's Podcast Festival.
Chris Pearson and Scott Bryan with TV podcasts. Sirin Kale discusses Unreal: A Critical History of Reality TV, the Radio 4 podcast she presents alongside Pandora Sykes. We'll hear how the series aims to investigate the huge world of Reality TV, and how they convinced guests to discuss some problematic elements of the shows. Plus we'll recommend Companion podcasts Taskmaster: The People's Podcast The Wire at 20 Hypothetical: The Podcast TV Reviews The Pilot TV Podcast The Radio Times Podcast Shrine of Telly Kermode and Mayo's Take Interviews Comfort Eating with Grace Dent - Big Zuu MY TV Years with Mel Giedroyc - Adjoa Andoh The Noughties - Black on TV - Joceyln Jee Esien and Tolly T The Proper Class Podcast - Vicky McClure Episode by Episode podcasts Keeping Up Appearances: The Luxury Podcast Buffering The Vampire Slayer Parks and Recollection The Always Sunny Podcast Inside Inside No. 9 Talking Derry Girls We'd love to hear your recommendations for TV podcasts you enjoy - so do send us an email to podcastradiohour@bbc.co.uk
Laura Grimshaw and Chris Pearson present a special edition from The Podcast Show 2022. We'll be joined by a panel of podcasting guests including Nicky Birch from BBC Sounds, James Cridland - the editor of Podnews, and the hosts of the hilarious and honest BBC Sounds podcast Brown Girls Do It Too Poppy Jay and Rubina Pubani.
Chris Pearson and Ella Watts recommend Sci-Fi Audio Drama. We hear from the creator of 'Midnight Burger' Joe Fisher, who discusses why a dimension-hopping, time travelling diner is the perfect setting for a hopeful, human story. Plus long time friends Jonathan Williams and Alan Mandel discuss 'Red Valley', and offer advice on just how to develop ideas with your friends. Plus - what is the difference between cryonics and cryogenics? And we'll hear clips from Chaika RogueMaker Breathing Space, Fading Frontier Sayer Apollyon The Transposition of Chloë Brontë
Chris Pearson and science nerd Rick Edwards recommend factual science listening. The space journalist Sarah Cruddas discusses her series "Where's My Jetpack?" She'll tell us about the links between science fiction and fact, and we'll hear whether she would want to visit Mars. Plus, we'll hear clips from: The Vulnerable Scientist Small Screen Science You Are Not So Smart The Animal Behaviour Podcast The Happiness Lab The Curious Cases of Rutherford and Fry Invisibilia Why Aren't You A Doctor Yet? In Defense Of Plants
Chris Pearson and Scott Bryan suggest new podcast listens for May. Charlie Craggs tells us about making her acting debut in Doctor Who: Redacted,. We'll hear about how it feels to join the Doctor Who family, and the importance of trans representation in the show. Plus, more great new listening for May, with extracts from: Radioman Lusus Queer Spaces: Behind The Scene Lady Killers with Lucy Worsley Time & Again Betwixt the Sheets: The History of Sex, Scandal & Society The Line of Fire NearlyWeds
Laura Grimshaw and Jake Yapp present a selection of comedy podcasts from the Machynlleth Comedy Festival.
Chris Pearson and Chrystal Genesis recommend podcasts exploring music, and telling stories of fascinating musicians. Marlon Bishop from Futuro Studios tells us about two music documentaries: Anything for Selena and LOUD: The History of Reggaeton. Plus, we'll hear clips from The Messenger Switched On Pop Bent By Nature Resident Advisor: Source Material Soul Music AfroPop Worldwide Maed in India The Record Store Day Podcast with Paul Myers Louder Than A Riot The Bridge
To mark Earth Day 2022, Laura Grimshaw and Greg Cochrane present a collection of podcasts about the environment and climate change. We speak to the environmental activist Danny Kennedy about his new podcast series that he co-hosts with the Academy Award-winning actor Cate Blanchett – Climate of Change. And we'll be joined by Amy Westervelt from the Critical Frequency Podcast Network to talk about their range of climate-focussed podcasts: Drilled, Rigged, Damages, Inherited, Hot Take Plus, short bursts of Earth Day Live! The Last Movie Ever Made Islands on Alert TIL Climate from MIT BBC Radio 4's Costing The Earth Produced for BBC Radio 4 Extra by Laura Grimshaw.
Scott Bryan, Laura Grimshaw and Chris Pearson round up new listening for April. Dragon's Den star Deborah Meaden talks to us about her new podcast, The Big Green Money Show. We'll hear why businesses need to be held to account about their environmental efforts, and Deborah tells us about her eco-efforts in her own home. Margaret Cabourn-Smith talks about Crushed by Margaret Cabourn-Smith - and we hear about the cathartic power of discussing unrequited love. And India Rakusen talks 28ish days later, the taboo-busting new podcast that attempts to unpack the menstrual cycle in 28 episodes. Plus we'll hear clips from Frame of Mind Eureka! Putin Let's Get Frank Rabbiting On
Laura Grimshaw and Chris Pearson invite the Radio 4 Extra Comedy Club presenters to share their favourite funny podcasts. Featuring: Jessica Fostekew on Wheel of Misfortune Arthur Smith on My Time Capsule Rob Deering on Films To Be Buried With Isy Suttie on Cuddle Club Lou Conran on Joan & Jericha Harriet Kemsley on The Year Is... Paul Garner on I Can't Believe It's Not Buddha Angela Barnes on Crash Bang Wallop Athena Kugblenu on The Receipts Podcast Iain Lee on Clinton Baptiste's All-New Paranormal Podcast Jon Holmes on The Jordan B Peterson Podcast with guest Jimmy Carr Laura Lexx on The Complete Guide To Everything Sarah Campbell on Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang Jake Yapp on The Problem with Jon Stewart
Laura Grimshaw invites Radio 4 Extra's Comedy Club presenters to share their podcast recommendations. Featuring: Arthur Smith on Fake Heiress Athena Kugblenu on Have You Heard George's Podcast? Jon Holmes on Wild Things: Siegfried & Roy Isy Suttie on Chameleon: Wild Boys Angela Barnes on Easy German Harriet Kemsley on Whenever It Kicks with Jesse Ware Rob Deering on Griefcast with Cariad Lloyd Jake Yapp on Where Should We Begin? with Ester Perel Jessica Fostekew on Maintenance Phase Iain Lee on Nothing is Real Paul Garner on A-Ha: Ranking Highs and Lows Lou Conran on Casefile Sarah Campbell on You Must Remember This: The Manson Family Laura Lexx on Criminal with Phoebe Judge
Laura Grimshaw and Salena Godden present podcasts about death, grief and celebrating life. And we hope by sharing these podcasts there may be some comfort to be found - or some amazing practical advice to be acted upon. Featured podcasts: Griefcast with Cariad Lloyd BBC Radio 5 Live's How Do You Cope? With Elis & John On The Marie Curie Couch Grief Kind from Sue Ryder Care Dying Matters from Hospice UK Doing Death Six Months or Less Queer Death Stories The Death Studies Podcast Suffocate City Dead Honest You're Going To Die
Chris Pearson and Ella Watts with myth, legend, and fairy tale audio drama. Aaron Mankhe and Lauren Shippen discuss their supernatural drama Bridgewater, and we hear how they Aaron's folklore background combined with Lauren's drama writing. Plus Lory Martinez tells us about the global mythology series Cultureverse, which sensitively explores myths from across the world. And we'll hear clips from Hi Nay Mabinogi: Lost Legends and Dark Magic Fey Hollow: The Fairytale Murders Feminist Fairytales Rogue Runners Live From Mount Olympus The Anansi Chronicles
Laura Grimshaw and Scott Bryan round up the best new releases for March. The BBC's Specialist Disinformation and Social Media Reporter Marianna Spring, and series producer Ant Adeane tell us about their new BBC Radio 4 podcast Death By Conspiracy? and Kate Moryoussef joins us to discuss The ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast. Laura and Jon Holmes speak to Nigel Planer about his new scripted comedy podcast Nicholas Craig: I, An Actor, A Podcast which he stars in alongside Anthony Head and co-wrote with Christopher Douglas. Plus bursts of: Richard & Greta starring Nina Conti and Shenoah Allen Dua Lipa At Your Service Shaun Keaveny's Creative Cul-de-Sac The Process from Somerset House
Chris Pearson and The Log Books Podcast producer Shivani Dave with listening for LGBTQ+ History Month. Matthew and Brendan discuss their LGBT+ Mental Health podcast Bottoming, and talk about how the podcast originated as free therapy. Selly Thiam, host of AfroQueer, talks about how her podcast has found a wider audience since the beginning of the pandemic, and the surprising ways that the podcast has been shared to new listeners. Plus we'll hear extracts from: Queer Serial Prejudice and Pride The LGBT Sport Podcast The SG Boys Making Gay History If you have podcast recommendations for us, our email address is podcastradiohour@bbc.co.uk
Laura Grimshaw and Jon Holmes present a selection of podcasts on the subject of adoption. As Jon himself is adopted, we delve into podcasts from comedians, performers and entertainers to explore whether there is a link between performance and adoption. We speak to Twayna Mayne about her podcast Loco Parentis and her Radio 4 series Black Woman, to Mark Steel about his audiobook Who Do I Think I Am?, and to Lemn Sissay about the importance of adoption and his Radio 4 series Origin Stories. We also feature expert advice and personal stories the podcasts #YouCanAdopt, Truth Be Told from Adopt Cymru, Adoption, Fostering and Tea from The New Family Social, and BBC Radio 4's The Adoption.
Laura Grimshaw and Isy Suttie present an aural library of podcasts about writing and books for your delectation. We speak to Laura Shavin about The Offcuts Drawer - the podcast where successful writers share the contents of their bottom drawer – the bits of writing they never finished, had rejected or they just like to hold on to for nostalgic reasons, which are finally brought to life on stage. We're joined by Robin Ince to discuss Bookshambles with Robin Ince and Josie Long, the podcast where books are the springboard into ludicrous and always passionate conversations about anything and everything. And we chat to Jess Phillips MP about her podcast Yours Sincerely about the power of letter writing. We listen into podcasts on the writing process, devour a selection of podcasts presenting the best in author interviews, and we flick through the best book recommendation podcasts including: Script Apart The Writing Life The Penguin Podcast Fun Kids Book Worms Radio 4's Book Club Red Hot Chilli Writers Turn Up For The Books from BBC Arts Radio 4's Open Book and A Good Read Literary Friction
Chris Pearson and Scott Bryan suggest listens for February. Helena Merriman talks about her new diagnosis based series Room 5, and how for her the audio medium is perfect for encouraging empathy in listeners. Moya Lothian-Mclean talks about her series Human Resources, investigating the British relationship with the Atlantic slave trade, and why she wants the subject talked about beyond history lessons. Plus broadcasting legend Scott Mills discusses Radio 1's Pop 101, his new series taking us through the history of Pop music, in a hundred and one objects. And we'll hear clips from: Feast is Feast with Big Zuu Go Love Yourself British Scandal: Coughing Major Panic Room Stars In Your Ears
From nervous beginners to seasoned marathon runners, Laura Grimshaw and Moy McGowan present a selection of running podcasts to inspire you to get out there. Tina Muir – the elite athlete turned podcaster – joins us to talk about her podcasts Running for Real and Running Realised about the glorious freedoms, spiritual epiphanies and harsh realities of running. And we speak to the running comedians Rob Deering and Paul Tonkinson about their long running running podcast Running Commentary where they talk about running whilst running. We also hear speedy bursts of: Couch to 5k Free Weekly Timed Rob Deering's Running Tracks Radio Hour Running is BS A Runner's Life with Marcus Brown The Sunday Plodcast RunPod with Jenni Falconer The Women's Running Podcast Runner's World UK Podcast
Chris Pearson and Chrystal Genesis pick out podcasts which discuss fresh starts, in the fields of work, health and relationships. Ian Coss tells us about 'Forever Is A Long Time', a podcast that examines the marriages and divorces within his own family. Plus we'll hear clips from Working Switch Pivot or Quit How I Built This with Guy Raz SelfHealers Soundboard Stacey Dooley's Fresh Starts Lesley Jane Seymour's Reinvent Yourself Food Heaven Podcast Life Kit: How to divest from diet culture Just One Thing with Michael Mosley
Chris Pearson and Scott Bryan suggest new listening for January. The writer Marian Keyes and the comedian Tara Flynn discuss their new advice-giving podcast, 'Now You're Asking'. Plus we'll hear extracts from: Cover Story: Power Trip Harsh Reality: The Story of Miriam Rivera Wild Things: Siegfried & Roy Radio 1's Pop 101 Oti Mabuse's Dancing Legends My Family, Mental Illness and Me Weird Walk with Charlie Cooper
Chris Pearson and Laura Grimshaw invite podcasters to offer up tips and advice on podcasting. Leanne Alie joins us from BBC Sounds Audio Lab, and discusses her independent podcast Coiled. The producer Charlie Dinkin and the stand up comedian Olga Koch talk comedy podcasts, and the value of collaboration. BBC Brexitcast creator Dino Sofos talks about the pressures of making daily podcasts, and his new production company Persephonica. Plus, broadcasters from the BBC and beyond offer their advice, with contributions from: Bad People's Dr Julia Shaw Teach Me A Lesson's, Greg James and Bella Mackie Audio Freqs and Vegan Life Podcast presenter Jake Yapp If You Dont Know's Roshan Roberts and De-Graft Mensah BBC Sounds Podcast Producer Ella Watts The Battersea Poltergeist and Uncanny host Danny Robins BBC Ouch's Keiligh Baker The Skewer producer Jon Holmes Wheel Of Misfortune host Alison Spittle, The Moon Under Water presenters John Robins and Robin Allender Whistle Through The Shamrocks writers Nicola Coughlan and Camilla Whitehill, Tony Bellew Is Angry presenter Tony Bellew Scott Bryan and Hayley Campbell from Must Watch Podcast Podcast Radio Hour creator Amanda Litherland Director and Sound Designer Dirk Maggs.
Laura Grimshaw and Chris Pearson take a look back at some of the Podcast Radio Hour highlights and best guests of 2021. Featuring: Nicola Coughlan and Camilla Whitehill from Whistle Through The Shamrocks Pandora Sykes from Pieces of Britney Repeat Beat Poet from Lunar Poetry Podcast Danny Robins from The Battersea Poltergeist and Uncanny Karen Rice from Stolen Goodbyes Justin Rowlatt - the BBC's Environment Editor and presenter of A Pyrotechnic History of Humanity Caro Mincks from Seen and Not Heard Nicky Campbell from One of the Family BenBrick from Have You Heard George's Podcast? Tom Price from My Mate Bought A Toaster And guest presenters Jessica Fostekew, Jon Holmes, Scott Bryan, Shivani Dave, Salena Godden, Isy Suttie, Greg Cochrane and Ella Watts.
Chris Pearson and Laura Grimshaw recommend comedy podcasts to entertain you over Christmas. We'll hear clips from Trusty Hogs Wheel of Misfortune Evil Genius with Russell Kane Why is Harriet Crying Desert Island Dicks Stars In Your Ears Songs In The Key Of Laugh The Horne Section Podcast Daddy Look At Me A Lovely Time Cuddle Club The Sink Poppy Hilstead Has Entered The Chat SeanceCast St Elwick's Neighbourhood Association Newsletter Podcast SoundHeap If you have a podcast you want to recommend to us, our email address is podcastradiohour@bbc.co.uk
Laura Grimshaw and Jake Yapp present a collection of podcasts that bring history to life. We speak to bona fide academic historian Professor Suzannah Lipscomb about her podcast that looks at the most fascinating periods in history - Not Just The Tudors. We'll also be joined by history podcast producing magnate Natt Tapley to discuss what's the point of history? And we chat to self-confessed history nerds Angela Barnes and John O'Farrell about their fun conversation podcast We Are History. We also hear bursts of: Future Imperfect with Jason Kingsley The Unfiltered History Tour from VICE World News Revisionist History with Malcolm Gladwell Human Resources with Moya Lothian McLean The Retrospectors with Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina and Arion McNicoll Date Fight with Natt Tapley and Jake Yapp History Film Club with Alex von Tunzelmann and Hannah Grieg Homeschool History with Greg Jenner Horrible Histories from CBBC You're Dead To Me also with Greg Jenner
Chris Pearson and Scott Bryan present the best new podcasts for December. Alexi Mostrous, host of Sweet Bobby, discusses his investigative crime podcast, which tells a remarkable story of catfishing and coercive control. Plus, we'll hear clips from Paul McCartney: Inside The Songs Not Another Love Song Power: Hugh Hefner Doomsday Watch The Long Time Academy Sickbabe Coiled Tipsy Tourism Behind The Desk: The Story of Late Night Get Birding
Laura Grimshaw and Chris Pearson present podcasts all about pets. Whether you're #TeamCat or #TeamDog - or even #TeamFerret- we have some lovely listening on the love of our pets. We speak to broadcasting legend Nicky Campbell about his gorgeous podcast One of the Family. And EastEnders actor Emma Barton joins us to talk about The Petcast from The Blue Cross. We also feature tasty morsels of: BBC Radio London's Dogs and the City BBC Radio 4's My Cat, The Judge The Purrrcast Classic FM's Paws and Claws with Bill Turnbull Animal People with Supervet Noel Fitzpatrick The Aquarium Guys Reptile n Chill Coffee with the Chicken Ladies The Pet Pod with Dr Zara Boland BBC Radio Ulster's Alright, Pet?
Chris Pearson and Laura Grimshaw listen in to podcasts about pub culture. From cocktails to quizzing, beer to board games, conversation to crisps, we're pubbing in podcast form. John Robins and Robin Allender discuss their dream pub podcast, The Moon Under Water. Plus presenter Jaega Wise, and producer Lucy Taylor, take us behind the scenes on Radio 4's The Food Programme. We'll also hear extracts from: The London History Podcast Lasties Brewing After Hours Pub Quiz Try Dry A Woman's Brew The Mixology Talk Desert Island Crisps The Walkers Switch