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Let me tell you something, fact nation. Chicago's propaganda machine is selling Dylan Tieneman and Kobe Bryant as the next great safety duo. A rookie who's never played a snap and a converted corner in his 30s? That's not a duo, that's a first date. Meanwhile in Green Bay, Xavier McKinney and Evan Williams have already proven it on tape with two years of chemistry, All-Pro play, and a third guy waiting in the wings. We don't sell shiny boxes in Green Bay. We deal in execution. Enjoy the minicamp hype, Chicago. When the pads come on, you're sending a first date and we're sending a marriage.  

A star in the NFL, Gerald McCoy was six-time Pro Bowler and three-time All-Pro. Gerald joins Adam to share his journey and his best lessons and advice. Gerald and Adam discuss a wide range of topics: leadership, motivation, self-improvement, authenticity, peak performance, competition, culture, and much more.

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Dr. Liao breaks down Lions injuries The Daily DLP welcomes Dr. Jimmy Liao to the show to talk about the Lions injuries and recoveries. The biggest name is Kerby Joseph, as the safety is dealing with a troublesome knee injury. Dr. Liao breaks down what options the Lions have with the All-Pro, noting that holding him out from the offseason workouts is medically necessary. Brian Branch's Achilles and what defense demands Brian Branch tore his Achilles on December 4, 2025. A comparison was made to another high-profile Achilles tear, San Francisco TE George Kittle, on January 11. The positions are different. Defense is reactive. The secondary lives in backpedals and sudden bursts. That movement is the top mechanism for Achilles injury. It can slow the return for a defensive back compared with an offensive player who can script his steps. Recent rehab clips showed light treadmill jogging. No hard sprinting. No jumping. No cutting. He is roughly six months out and not ahead of schedule on visible benchmarks. The earlier expectation hovered around midseason. There is no clear evidence to move that up. Sam LaPorta's back: progress now, recurrence is the concern Sam LaPorta appeared at OTAs. He caught passes. He is not full go, but the trend is positive. A herniated disc can flare with accumulated contact. Blocking can hyperextend the back. Last season's issue was not a single moment. It built over time. There is a good chance he is ready for Week 1. The question is durability over months, not days. Recurrence risk sits in the background and will only be answered by workload. Depth chart ripple effects: OL Lisfranc, ACL note, and return-game risk An offensive lineman, Ben Bartch, is recovering from Lisfranc surgery. He has not appeared in the first two weeks of OTAs. Lisfranc injuries live in a small, tricky part of the midfoot. Outcomes can be uncertain, especially for a big body that must anchor and drive. The Lions guaranteed $330,000 on his one-year deal, a sign of confidence at signing, but the absence raises flags until he is on the field. Kendrick Law suffered an ACL tear. Standard ACL recoveries are reliable. Barring complications, the expectation is a full return for 2026 OTAs. Safety Dan Jackson has been present in team photos during OTAs. Last year's leg issue lacked detail, but current participation eases concern. Kickoff changes have pushed return rates above 70 percent. Depth at returner matters. The play remains risky for the returner, even as it gets safer for blockers and coverage. Recent examples include a neck scare for Kalif Raymond and a fractured ankle for James Houston on a high-speed collision. Minicamp next week will sharpen clarity across the Detroit Lions depth chart. #detroitlions #lions #detroitlionspodcast #injuries #recoverytimeline #kerbyjoseph #brianbranch #samlaporta #georgekittle #lisfranc #benbartch #danjackson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Bill and Robert Mays of The Athletic discuss the players they think are most likely to be named as a 1st-team All-Pro for the first time in their careers. 0:00 Welcome 7:40 Which players are poised to make the leap? 9:36 Quarterbacks likely to ascend to 1st-team All-Pro 16:45 Ladd McConkey? 19:02 Other WRs with potential for 1st-team All-Pro season 27:58 Offensive linemen on the brink of a 1st-team All-Pro season 37:57 Jahmyr Gibbs is a free space in this exercise 38:47 Defensive linemen who could make the leap to 1st-team All-Pro 46:57 Linebackers with a chance 48:42 Corners with potential to make the leap 54:45 Any rookies with a chance at a 1st-team All-Pro season? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hour 1: Mike Florio (@ProFootballTalk) and Charean Williams (@NFLCharean) discuss latest news in the NFL including Philadelphia Eagles HC Nick Sirianni on the A.J. Brown trade and how Dallas Cowboys WR George Pickens missing next weeks minicamp could potentially impact his next contract. (04:30) Eagles HC Nick Sirianni on A.J. Brown: “I would say there was a lot of good years here… a lot of good things with AJ here - two times in the Super Bowl, All-Pro multiple times, Pro Bowl multiple times. So, I would say it was a good run.” (19:00) Nick Sirianni on if the Brown/Jalen Hurts relationship negatively impacted the team : “Relationships are so, so important. I think sometimes that can get misconstrued that everyone has to be best friends and that’s just not the case.” (25:00) Patriots HC Mike Vrabel on how Brown is adjusting to his new team: “I think the weekend probably served him well to be able to take a deep breath…. I am sure it has been a whirlwind for him, but he is excited about learning the system.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Cincinnati Bengals created salary cap space this week by restructuring quarterback Joe Burrow's contract, a move that longtime observers say reflects an unusually aggressive offseason for the franchise. According to multiple reports, the restructuring frees up approximately $10 million in salary cap space and comes after the Bengals acquired All-Pro defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence in a blockbuster trade. The move is notable because Cincinnati has historically avoided restructuring contracts to push salary cap charges into future seasons. “I think one of the biggest things for me, quite frankly, is that it shows this continues to be an atypical offseason,” Local 12 digital sports columnist and editor Richard Skinner said to Mike Petraglia of CLNS Media. “From trading for Dexter Lawrence to overspending at a couple of positions of need, it continues that trend.” While some of the newly created cap space helps account for Lawrence's contract, Skinner said the move also gives the Bengals flexibility to address other roster needs, including adding a veteran linebacker or offensive tackle. The restructuring came just minutes before the Bengals announced the signing of second-round draft pick Cashius Howell, officially putting all seven members of the team's 2026 draft class under contract. Unlike a pay cut, a restructuring converts salary into a signing bonus that can be spread across future years of the contract. “They did the best of both worlds,” Skinner said. “It gives you the flexibility to still add to the roster today without just kicking the can way down the road.” Petraglia noted the Bengals could have freed up nearly twice as much cap space but chose a more measured approach. “By converting only enough salary to free up the $10 million, I think the Bengals showed a layer of restraint,” Petraglia said. “It's the best of both worlds for the Bengals in this particular case.” The discussion also highlighted several emerging storylines from organized team activities. One is veteran safety Kyle Dugger, who joined Cincinnati after stops with New England and Pittsburgh. Skinner described Dugger as a potentially valuable veteran presence and a candidate to contribute in defensive packages featuring three safeties. The pair also discussed rookie linebacker Boye Mafe, whose versatility could allow defensive coordinator Al Golden to deploy more varied fronts featuring players who can rush the passer or drop into coverage. Both agreed that Lawrence remains one of the most intriguing additions heading into training camp. “I cannot wait to see Dexter Lawrence line up against somebody else,” Skinner said. “He's just going to overwhelm some people at times.” Mandatory minicamp begins next week, when coaches and media will get a clearer picture of how the Bengals' revamped roster fits together heading into the 2026 season.

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On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about calling game 3 of the NBA Finals last night from Madison Square Garden that saw the Spurs get back on the board 2-1, before previewing tonight's Stanley Cup Finals Game 4, and everything else happening in the sports world. Pat and the boys also welcome several great guests to the show including ESPN NBA legend Brian Windhorst; Stanley Cup Champion and ESPN NHL analyst Erik Johnson; 7x Pro Bowler, 5x All-Pro, and one of the visionaries of of TEU, George Kittle; Emmy Winner and ESPN Swiss Army knife Peter Schrager; 4x Major Champion, 19x LPGA winner, fresh off a US Women's Open victory, Nelly Korda; and UFC Lightweight Champion and Interim Champion Ilia Topuria and Just Gaethje before UFC Freedom 250. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN's Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we're off tomorrow, we'll be back Monday LIVE from Bristol. Cheers.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit detective Gary Jenkins sits down with former criminal and prison minister Bill Corum for one of the most unusual conversations ever featured on Gangland Wire. Bill Corum recounts his journey from car theft and prison escapes in the early 1960s to his deep involvement in Kansas City's criminal underworld in the 1970s and early 1980s. He describes his work around pornography, prostitution, stolen property, cocaine trafficking, and his connections to notorious Kansas City underworld figures. Gary and Bill discuss legendary Kansas City mob fence Sol Landi and his murder by assassins sent by the mob, the River Quay era, Junior Bradley, corrupt influences in local politics and the courts, and the explosive cocaine culture that swept through Kansas City during the 1980s. Bill also shares stories involving Weld Wheels founder Kenny Weld, cocaine trafficking operations, and the dangerous atmosphere surrounding organized crime in Kansas City. The conversation dives into: Bill's prison escape and stolen car career The prostitution business in Independence, Missouri Mob-connected fences and stolen property rings Cocaine trafficking in Kansas City during the early 1980s The murder of Saul Landy River Quay nightlife and mob influence Corrupt officials and criminal networks Kansas City organized crime personalities Prison life and criminal culture Bill Corum's dramatic religious conversion in 1983 His decades-long prison ministry work across America Bill also explains how he transformed his life after addiction, violence, and years in the criminal world, eventually dedicating his life to prison outreach and ministry programs throughout the United States. You can learn more about Bill Corum and his book at either The Ultimate Pardon or Bill Corum Official Website If you're interested in true crime, mafia history, and real law enforcement stories, this is an episode you don't want to miss. Subscribe for more mafia history and true crime stories every week. Hit me up on Venmo for a cup of coffee or a shot and a beer @ganglandwire Click here to “buy me a cup of coffee” Subscribe to the website for weekly notifications about updates and other Mob information. To go to the store or make a donation or rent Ballot Theft: Burglary, Murder, Coverup, click here To rent ‘Brothers against Brothers’ or ‘Gangland Wire,’ the documentaries click here.  To purchase one of my books, click here. [00:00:00] hey, all you wiretappers. Gary Jenkins here, retired Kansas City police detective in the intelligence unit. Turned podcaster and author and documentary filmmaker. If you want to see any of my stuff, go to my website and look in the show notes or look in the I think the donate page. Of course, if you’re in the donate page, you might want to hit the donate button. We always use a little, can use a little support. And I have a guy that I’d heard of and I’d seen on YouTube and I have mu- we have mutual friends, but I had never actually met him. And I, so I g- I… Some people he knows asked me to be on their show. And so I was on their show, and Bill was on that show at the same time. So we started talking. We had lunch and we had all these… We were running in the same circles, but separate circles that then overlapped every once in a while. He was on one side of the law and I was on the other. So Bill Corum. Welcome, Bill. Thank you, Gary. Thank you so much. And we were running in opposite… We were running real close- … but I was careful. When [00:01:00] I got out of prison, it- You were. When I got out of prison in 1964, I had two goals. Yeah. Never go back, and never get caught. And I started breaking the law the day I got out of prison, and I broke the law for almost 19 years and didn’t get caught. I got caught a couple times at little things, and I got… I hired a high-powered criminal attorney that came out of Alex Peebles’ office who’s now a judge. I won’t even mention his name. He’s now a judge. I think I told you who it was. But and Alex got me out of a couple deals way back when. But little things. And I was still, doing everything. And I went for almost 19 years and didn’t get caught. Unlike many of my friends, I’ve been in prison ministry for 40 years now, and I run around with a lot of guys that did a lot of time. 25 years, 40 years. Li- they had double life without parole, now they’re out But I never got caught. Yeah. And I was speaking at a women’s prison just recently, and I was talking to the women, and I was telling that story, and I said, “I got out and I [00:02:00] went for 19 years.” She said, “You must have been awful smart.” I said I wa- I wasn’t too smart or I wouldn’t have been doing that stuff.” But I did know ways and one thing was ’cause I didn’t talk to people. I didn’t have a lot of… Kinda like the trench coat robbers. They robbed banks for 15 years- Yeah … and never got caught because they didn’t email, text, phone calls, none of that. Yeah. They would, they would- And they moved away too. Oh, yeah. Kinda moved away from their home territory, so they- Yeah y- they weren’t having their buddies come up to them say, “Hey, what are you doing? Where you been?” “I haven’t seen you for a while.” And then they turn around and tell some cop that they know, “Hey, I can’t remember the guy’s name now. Billy Kirkpatrick. Billy Kirkpatrick. He’s been out of town. He just got back.” And, you know- Yeah … then they put… Suddenly they get this notice about these bank robbers somewhere else. They… He didn’t do that. He stayed- … out of town. So Bill, let’s- No, that was me. Go ahead. Go, let’s go back and start you from the beginning. Introduce to who you are to my guys, ’cause they don’t know you. I didn’t know you, ’cause you were such a low profile in this world. You said you got out of prison. Why don’t we [00:03:00] start with that? Where, what were you in the joint for originally? I was originally in there for Dyer Act, which is, in the feds, that’s interstate transportation- Yeah of stolen motor vehicles. I was in the Marine Corps. I went AWOL. I got caught. I went back. I got back AWOL again. I went back. They put me on restrictions, said I couldn’t leave the base. I was at that point in my life where nobody could tell me what to do. And so I’s “I’m leaving the base,” and I left and I think I stole 10, 12 cars while I was out. And then I got put in the… When I got back the next time, they put me in the brig, and I escaped from the brig. And and I stole a car off the base back in tho- in the ’60s, early ’60s, ’62, 3. People left their keys in their car. Yeah. And I went out. I was in the parachute locker painting. When the guard came in to check on me, I hit him in the back of the head with a full bucket of paint, a full gallon of paint, and I went out the window and I got a car, and I actually had a guy with me. He said, “I’m going with you.” And so we got in the car, and when we got to [00:04:00] the gate, I said, “Now, if that guard steps out at the gate, I’m running over him.” And he’s “No, don’t do…” I said “Just shut up. I’m running over him.” And I got to the gate, and the guard stepped out and saluted me. And I’m like, “What in the world?” I drove into town, run out of gas, Gary. Got out and stole… I don’t know how I remember this. I stole a ’62 maroon Bonneville. And when I was walking away from the car, my buddy looked back and started laughing. I said, “What are you laughing about?” He said, “I see why they saluted us. That car had a colonel sticker on the bumper.” So then I stole that car, that Bonneville, drove into Mississippi. Because I always ask guys in prisons, “How many of you know when you escape from prison you need some different clothes?” Yeah. So I drove into a little town called Leland, Mississippi, and I was breaking in a clothing store to get me some clothes. It was 11:00 at night, and I looked down, I was climbing up on some boxes to get to the roof to go in the skylight, ’cause they had analog alarms, they were easy to beat. [00:05:00] And I looked down and I saw a flashlight coming down the alley. So I dropped down, ran the other way, and I turned the corner and ran into the biggest, fattest Mississippi sheriff you ever seen. And he had a gun, he had a gun about this long. And he stuck it right here, and he goes, “Where are you going, boy?” And I said, “With you, sir.” That’s what I said. And that was the end of the Marine Corps. So now I’ve taken a car across the state line, and the feds step in. And I went to… I got a six-year sentence. I got what they call a zip six. And back then, before ’86, now in ’86 they passed it to 85%. Yeah. But prior to 80- prior to ’86, you could get out of the feds at one-third of your sentence. And so I got this six-year sentence. I got out in two years, and when I got out, I said, “I’m never getting caught again. I’m never going back to prison.” And I went for ni- and I just started right then. And everything from then on was like, I got involved with pornography. I was promoting [00:06:00] pornography and prostitution. There’s a story in my book about me being a… I was a bodyguard and a chauffeur for a lady that had a cat house over in Independence. You know where Inglewood was in Independence? And guys- You know where- … In- Independence is a suburb of Kansas City, but it’s like whole, decently large city for a suburb- Yeah … but it’s connected to it. Yeah. That’s where Harry Truman was from- That’s right … and retired back to. Yeah. So y- you were over there probably on the east side of Independence. Inglewood’s kinda closer to Kansas City, over there- Yes … by Dogpatch, in what we call Dogpatch. That’s- The- … kinda totally lawless area. And so there was a guy there that I was friends with that had a record store. He was the first guy in Kan- his name was Tony Marino. He’s in my book. He’s dead now. He was the first guy ever in Kansas City to sell paraphernalia in a record store. And he was making 25,000 a month- Wow … back in the… Yeah, when it started. That was a lot of money. And he, right next to him was a [00:07:00] store, it’s still there. I go by it all the time, ’cause we eat at the Englewood Cafe all the time. It’s the only one on that little s- first strip there that’s got steps going up. And a lady up there had a cathouse for 12 years, prostitutes. And her main customers were executives from Ford Motor Company- … from General Motors, and from Hallmark Cards. And the reason, Gary, was because she knew if she had executives, they weren’t gonna talk. Yeah. And she had beautiful women. She didn’t have ladies like up on Main and Troost and Prospect. Yeah. The- these women had all their teeth, and they were- … and they were good-looking. Yeah. And so the first guy, a- actually, who got me the job was Sal Rello, that o- that owned he owned that deluxe deli down on 430, where the Erotic City is now. Oh, yeah. He owned that- Yeah … he owned that bar. Heard about him, yeah. And I told him for years, I said, “You need to open an adult bookstore here,” because Gary, he was the only bar in Kansas City, the only bar [00:08:00] in Kansas City that was open on Election Day. You know why? ‘Cause he was in the county. He was in the county. He wasn’t in- Wasn’t in the city, yeah … he wasn’t in the city. And he was open on Election Day. And I told him, I said, “Man, if you’d open an adult bookstore, you could make a lot of money.” He never did, of course. Yeah. And then they put Erotic City in there, and it went good for a few years and stuff, yeah. But so he’s the one that told me about her. I went to interview with her, and she said, “I just have one question. Do you carry a gun?” I said, “No, ma’am, I carry two guns.” And she said, “You’re hired.” And so G- Gary, I picked her up every day on the Plaza. She lived in a $2,000 a month apartment on the Plaza in 1976. Yeah. That was a lot of money. That’s five today. And, yeah, and I took her to get her facial every Tuesday. I took her to the beauty shop every Thursday, and read about her in my book. She was 80 years old. The name of that chapter in my book is 80-Year-Old Hooker. She was 80, 80 years old, and she [00:09:00] ran it like a business. I had, I, she opened at 9:00 in the morning and closed at 5:00 at night, and ran it just five days a week, just like a business. And I wouldn’t be surprised she didn’t pay taxes. She was legit, man. Yeah. And I knew you can’t operate something like that for 12 years in Independence, Missouri, and not have the police know about it. No, they knew about it. Oh, yeah. It’s that upper echelon, they were, they just steered people away from each other. Oh, yeah. Don’t worry about that. Oh, yeah. That’s right. So that was- So Bill, y- you, you moved from that- Into the drug business now, how did you, how’d you even get started in that? Where like 1960s, ’60, by the late ’60s, drugs are starting to, become more popular and there becomes a real market for it that’s among- Yeah a much larger constituency than ever before. So now, how did you- I re- … move into that? I, oh, I really, for years and years, Gary, years, I didn’t have a partner [00:10:00] because I knew if I had to run, I didn’t want somebody… I didn’t know if my partner would tell on me, so I did everything by myself. I did one thing one time and I had to have a partner, and I stole a computer out of a crane at General Motors down in Leeds. And I, and my fence, the chapter in my book, They Killed My Fence, that was Saul Andy. Yeah. And when Saul got killed, like they killed my fence, because anything I took to Saul, he’d buy it. Didn’t matter if it was guns or it didn’t matter what it was. And I didn’t never keep anything except cash. If I had money, I’d keep it, but I’d never keep anything. I didn’t keep diamond rings or… I got rid of all that stuff, ’cause I never wanted anything to be able to identify me and tie me to a crime. And Saul, when he got killed, of course, then I started dealing with another guy. But Saul was taking all that and selling it to Junior Bradley, most of it, the stuff that Junior- And, and- … would be interested in. And guys- But, J- Junior Bradley, I gotta explain who Junior Bradley was. Junior Bradley was the mob fence in Kansas City. He was probably the biggest fence in Kansas City I got a [00:11:00] feeling. He, and what he started doing was trading Dilaudid especially for stolen property, and he had a little deli right across from police headquarters and City Hall, and everybody knew Junior. Everybody loved Junior. Everybody liked Junior. He’s always doing favors for people. If you went in the penitentiary, you’d go talk to Junior and say, “Okay, what, what’s gonna happen when I get here? Can you help me out?” And he’ll say, “I’ll make some calls.” Or I, we had, we overheard him on a wiretap once saying- a, a father called him and said, my son’s got to report up here to Leavenworth to the camp.” He said, “Okay, I’ll take care of it. I’ll be somebody there to meet him there.” And I’ve had many other reports but Junior was the main mob fence. So go ahead- Yeah … and we’ll talk what you were dealing with- Yeah Junior Bradley. Yeah be- let’s back up. So you asked me about how I got into drugs. So all those years when I was married, I didn’t drink and I didn’t do drugs. I thought if you did dope, you were a d- I thought that’s why they call it dope, ’cause you were a dope if you did it. Yeah. So I didn’t do it, and I didn’t drink because I knew I had to always be able to think and make [00:12:00] decisions and… ‘Cause I cheated on my wife every day for 10 years, and I did crime every day for 10 years, and she never knew it till I wrote this book. And I gave her the first book actually. And so- When I got divorced and started smoking pot and doing stuff, hanging out with those people, and I started smoking weed, then the first time I bought an ounce of weed it was 40 bucks. And I’m like, “Okay, how much is how much is more if you buy more? You can buy a half pound for this or you can buy…” So I said then I’ll… Give me a half a pound and I’m gonna sell,” yeah. So I started buying pounds and selling ounces, and man, all of a sudden I’m, now I’m smoking free and I’m making some money. Yeah. And then I started sell- And by the time I ended, even when I was selling cocaine, I was selling 100 pounds of pot a week. I had one guy that would buy 100 pounds of pot from me every week. Yeah. And I’d just take him 100 pounds and he’d just bring my… Every day he’d stop by my house [00:13:00] with sacks of money, and that was, the way I got started in the drug world then. And everything. It was from pot, it was, meth. We called it crank back then, not meth. And then I never did get real addicted to crank, but I got real addicted to cocaine. And of course, I was doing a drug class the other day. I teach a drug class, my wife and I, addictions class at our church. And I said, when I started, I was only gonna sell it and not do it.” And because one guy said I was only gonna do it and never sell it.” And I said, “No, not me. I was gonna sell it and never do it.” But that didn’t last very long. And once you start doing it you’re in there, and, Yeah, really … and then, when I got arrested September 5th of ’82 the guy that I beat up I put 100 stitches in the back of his head with a ball bat, and it was in an active enforcement really. But he turned states. He’s the one, when Kenny… You remember Kenny Weld? I remember the name. Was you still on the force when Kenny got busted in ’83? [00:14:00] Yeah. ’80- Yeah, I would’ve been. Okay. So- I have some vague memory, I don’t remember the, all the details. At the time it was the biggest drug bust, it was the biggest just drug bust in, I know in Kansas City, maybe. They caught him out there in Blue Springs with 29 pounds of cocaine, and we were selling- Yeah … cocaine to the people that were selling cocaine to Kenny. And so the guy that I beat up gave a 20-page, which is like reading a book, 20 typewritten pages. Yeah. 20 typewritten pages, and he named every name involved in the circle that he knew, and that implicated us as being some of the leading cocaine dealers in Kansas City. Yeah. Now, when I go speak in churches and a pastor gets up and says, “Folks, today we’ve got the biggest cocaine dealer that ever lived.” I get up and say, “You know what? I don’t mean to correct your pastor.” But I was implicated as being one of the leading cocaine- I was not the leading cocaine dealer. There was a lot of people bigger than me. But that’s that’s how it all started and [00:15:00] of course my case, I never did… the drugs never came in. The lawyers that I had, because when I got busted it was on a Sunday, and that’s part of my story. I always ask inmates, “How many of you have been arrested on a weekend?” And every hand goes up. Yeah. And I say, and then I say, “What happens when you get arrested on a weekend?” They all yell, “Nothing.” ‘Cause you’re not going anywhere till Monday morning, at the very least. I got arrested 2:00 Sunday afternoon. By that time, Gary, I had three goals. When I was about 30, I got nicknamed by one of the key mafia figures Crazy Bill, ’cause I did some crazy things. Like I ran through a bar. You know where the old Club Royal was on Main? Oh yeah. There was a bar right ac- I’ve drunk there many times. Okay. There was a bar across the street that I had a girlfriend working in, and we got in a fight, and I was gonna cut the bar in half with a chainsaw. And I had my buddy drop me at the back parking lot. I fired the chainsaw up, I opened the door, and when the door… When I stepped inside, the door [00:16:00] closed with the closer, and the dar- the bar was totally dark. It was not a bar where you could even buy a bag of potato chips. It was strictly alcohol. And when you get- Yeah … in a bar like that, they’re dark. And that door shut, and I thought, “I’m gonna bend over and start cutting this bar, and somebody just shoot me in the back.” So I just wa- I just walked through the bar with the chainsaw running and went out the front door, and Kenny picked me up in the front, and off we went. And so because of that, I got nicknamed Crazy Bill. Yeah. By 30 years old, I had three goals: money, power, and influence. Now, I told you as we were selling a lot of cocaine. So I stayed in $500 a night hotels. I ride in limousines. I bought $20,000 worth of cocaine for a one-night party. So I had money, and I had enough power to make a phone call and have somebody killed, so I had power. And I had enough influence that when I got arrested Sunday afternoon, now I love telling this to a police officer. I was on a show in Texas with a cop, and we called it the Con and the Cop. [00:17:00] But I love telling this story. I got arrested September 5th. 2:00, 2:00 PM is when they booked us into the jail, and I made a phone call back to Kansas City to somebody who was in politics, and I said, “You know who to call.” And that person called the judge we were selling cocaine to. And I ask this question in prisons, “How many of you know when you’re selling cocaine to a judge, he don’t want you in jail?” And I walked out of that jail, Gary, at 1:30 Monday morning. Wow. I got arrest- less than 12 hours after I got arrested on a weekend. And when I walked out of that jail, I said, “Bill Corum, you’ve arrived. You got money.” “You got power, and you got influence.” But the one thing I didn’t have was peace. Yeah. I didn’t have any peace, man. No peace. Yeah. If I was in a restaurant eating and a cop walked in, I’d put money on the table and go out the door. If I saw a UPS driver, I got nervous ’cause he had a uniform on. I didn’t have any peace. And then after I became a Christian, I was reading in the Bible [00:18:00] one day, and it said, “A wicked man runs when no one’s chasing him.” And I went, “Oh my gosh, I left a lot of steak dinners sitting on the table.” And wasn’t anybody chasing you. Nobody. That cop didn’t even know I was in there. He probably didn’t even know who I was. Really? He just come in… He just came in there to eat, and I thought he was after me. So Bill, I always like to go into the, the nuts and bolts of some of these things. And we kinda left one thing hanging, is the Saul Landy story. Now guys, Saul Landy was a big sports bettor. And Saul Landy had a, wasn’t it a metal- Square Deal Junk- Square Deal Junkyard. Square… He had a junkyard. Square Deal. He bought a lot of scrap metal and dealt in scrap metal, but he also would buy most anything from, from- Yeah … thieves, from boosters- Yeah … and burglars and people like that. That’s where Bill met him. But he’s a huge sports gambler, and they thought he might testify against our boss, Nick Civella, because he had been allowed to bet down at The Trap, down with Frankie Tusa, who was the underling [00:19:00] that handled all the sports gambling for Nick Civella. Isn’t that right? Isn’t that the way that went down? Oh, yeah, and Bobby Maroon was running The Trap at the time. And- yeah … so do you remember the guy that, that paid for his murder? Remember that guy, Johnny Franks, Johnny Frank Avella? That’s what they said, yep. Yeah. Yep. He had, he had- That’s what they said. He had some connections. But he got… But Johnny Franks got the order from somebody else. Yeah. Yeah … the bug, the buck stopped with Johnny Franks now, didn’t it? Yes. ‘Cause he hired another guy, who then he hired a Black guy, which was- That’s right … truly unusual. Who then- That’s right … hired a couple of young Black street kids and that was even more unusual, and they killed this Saul Landy and his wife. So they keep a f- And then they sang and then they sang like The Temptations. Exactly, yeah. That, and that’s that w- some claim that Johnny Franks did that just on his own, trying to impress Nick Civella. Some people say that somebody else told him to do it. I don’t… It never, he never talked, so it never came about. Yeah. [00:20:00] Did you ever hear anything about that? I never heard anything except what you just said, that he- Okay … he never talked, and Nick, Nick never got convicted. He never- Yeah … but here’s the thing that, what you said. The guys that they hired to do it, because back in those days as y- you’d go to… i’d go to the electric chair before somebody, before I’d tell on somebody. Yeah. I’m not gonna tell on anybody. Go ahead and put me in the gas chamber, I’m not telling on nobody. But those guys would, they’d sing like The Temptations. They weren’t gonna, they- Yeah … they wouldn’t- Those street kids If they offered them a day in jail, they wouldn’t take it. If you’ll tell us, we won’t, we’re only gonna put you in jail for a week if you’ll tell. Yeah. They wouldn’t tell. So how did that work with you and Saul Landy? You weren’t a sports bettor you didn’t have anything to do with that. You were a thief. Yeah, and I don’t know- And- I honestly, you know what? Gary, I don’t remember who even told me to go to Saul with stolen merchandise, ’cause I was hitting a lot of construction jobs back then. [00:21:00] Ah. I worked construction, and I was in the union, and I was stealing off these jobs all the time. Big- Ah, yeah … big amounts of stuff. Like they’d start a brand-new job, and they’d have all brand-new tools, and I’d go over there and take everything they had. And then I’d take it all to Saul. And matter of fact, one time I did a job over in, it was a eight-story high-rise over in Kansas City, Kansas, down around Argentine, in the Argentine area. And I was on the job, I was working on the job, and we just started. And we had all this trailer, a whole trailer load of tools. And I went over and got all the tools, and the last thing I took out was the cutting torch. I cut the lock off the door, ’cause I had a key to get in. And so when I got to work the next morning, I had everything in my truck. I had a tonneau cover over my truck and had all these tools in the back of my truck, and parked in the parking lot. I got there and I called Johnny Myers, who was running the job, and Johnny’s been dead for years. I said, “Hey, Johnny, somebody hit our job last night.” He’s “What?” I said, “Yeah, they cut the lock off. They got everything.” [00:22:00] And he said call the police and I’ll be out there in just a few minutes.” And so the cops come, couple detectives and he was telling what they, what was going on. I’m standing there listening to the whole thing. And there was a generator, a big generator, and I was real strong back then, Gary. I was 6’3″ and weighed 275 and I carried this generator down the steps and this… and Johnny said, or the cop said that, how much that generator weigh?” And he told him, and he said it had to be at least two guys, if not three. But no, no one guy could carry that down them steps.” And Johnny turned around and he said, “Except Superman,” ’cause that’s what they called me on the job. And they laughed, and he laughed, and I laughed. Yeah. And then that night after I got off work, I took it all down to Square Deal and sold it all to Saul. Yeah. Interesting. So- All right. Thanks so much … and I did that stuff all, yeah, I did that stuff all the time. But I honestly do not remember who introduced me to Saul Landy. Yeah. But I know that for years and years we were buddies. And when I first met him, I used a, I had an alias that I always went by. I had two a- two aliases. One of them was a guy I [00:23:00] was in prison with that was from East St. Louis, and I knew everything about him, ’cause we were real good friends. I knew his middle name, I knew his mom and dad’s name. I knew everything about him, so I’d use his name. So if anybody ever asked me a question, I knew. The other guy was a cousin of mine that I hadn’t seen for y- I used his name, ’cause I knew everything about him. So what, the, when I first met my wife, we went to a dance one night. We weren’t married yet, and we were walking up the steps, and this guy walking down said, “Hey, Jim. How you doing, Jim?” And I said, “Good.” We got in, sat down. My wife looked at me and she said, “I thought your name was Bill.” I s- said, “It is. It is Bill.” I said, “He probably just had me mixed up with somebody else.” ‘Cause there was a lot of people in the inner circles, yeah. So when I met Saul Andy, something inside of me told me to… Because I met Saul, and I told him my name was Jim Gardner. Yeah. And he’s we did a couple deals, and then something inside of me told me to b- be honest with Saul. And so I sat him down one day, I said, “I wanna tell you something. I use that name as an alias. My [00:24:00] real name is Bill Corum,” and da. And I was so glad I did, because later I would be in the River Key in a restaurant or a bar with Saul, and some of the guys were in there, and I thought if I’d have used the… If he’d introduced me as Jim Gardner- Yeah … and then later they find out who I am, I might not be here. Yeah. You know what I mean? You might- So I- They might think you’re undercover cop or a- Exactly. Exactly. So I just- Informant or something, yeah … it, a- and that, I think that’s in my book. I told that story because I just, I felt like being upfront with him, and I, because I trusted him, yeah. I actually, in, in the book I think I said if Nick Civella trusted him, I thought I could trust him. Yeah. But a- apparently, apparently- Bet he didn’t trust him all that much … no. Yeah. Because right there, out there on Pennsylvania, or let’s see, where’d they… They lived right off 75th, right behind the what was that restaurant on 75th? The Italian place? Yeah … I starts with a G, I think. Yeah, I know. Just north of Ward Parkway Shopping Center. Yeah. Yeah. I know the neighborhood, yeah. Oh, Cat- was it Cat? [00:25:00] No. C- it doesn’t matter. But he lived right down that str- he lived on Washington. Yeah. Right there. Yeah. About 77th or 8th and Washington, in Washington, yeah. I remember that. Yeah. But that’s how I met Saul. And what, and guys, what those guys did that night, they tried to make it look like a home invasion robbery, but ended up killing him and his w- and I think they raped his wife too. But, They didn’t kill her. They left her alive they, they left her alive. But- Yeah … they really m- tried to make it look like a home invasion robbery, not a hit, which was, at least they were that smart. They just weren’t- Yeah … couldn’t keep their mouth shut, and they couldn’t, weren’t smart enough to not tell their friends, so they got caught. Good, good thing there wasn’t no Facebook back then, Gary. Yeah, it’s crazy. It’s crazy. Crazy world you live in, so- these kids- Bill … yeah. What happened? What happened? You had all this going. You had money, power, influence. Yeah, I- You caught a cocaine case. Now the thing about that cocaine case, that you said, I thought you said Wells. It’s Kenny Weld, isn’t it? The race car driver? W-E-L-D. Kenny Weld. W-E-L-D. Yeah. He was a race [00:26:00] car driver at that time. I, I- Kinda well-known, and he had a whole set of… He had a big company that sold wheels … Weld Wheels … fancy wheels. He was really doing well, and then he got involved with a b- huge, big cocaine thing. I didn’t know, remember you were part of that, but I remember that. A multi-million dollar- Yeah … wheel business. Yeah. I still am a big… I was a dirt track guy. I grew up on dirt. Yeah. I love dirt. I actually took his brother, Greg, who actually owned the company, I took Greg to his first… the first race that Greg ever raced in, I drove him to the races. And then Kenny and I and Greg, and they won the Knoxville Nationals. Greg raced in the Indianapolis 500 four times. Yeah. They were a big name in the country, the Welds. And making millions of dollars, Gary. Even back then, they were making millions of dollars. Yeah. And then Kenny got caught up in the cocaine and started messing with it, and next thing you know… he was making a lot of money in the cocaine too, but- Yeah … he got caught with 29 pounds, which was a large amount. But that statement that guy [00:27:00] made on me, ’cause I always felt guilty because Kenny got busted because the statement that he made, he named Kenny Weld in that statement, and it wasn’t long after that they arrested Kenny. But I’m sure they were already watching him, for sure. But then I, and I don’t know, Kenny got eight year, Kenny got 25 years. He went to Sandstone first up in Minnesota. Yeah. And he only did 52 months, so I’m not sure, because back then a third would’ve been eight, eight and a half years or something, right? Yeah. And he only did 52 months, so I don’t know how that, maybe it was money or whatever. I don’t know. Yeah. But he turned his life around in prison, but then what’s the sad deal, when I turned my life around, I tried to get in touch with Kenny Weld, and he wouldn’t talk to me. He- Yeah … he was avoid- I think he was afraid that I was gonna come after him because the guy I beat up was the guy that was… We were all involved in the cocaine world together. Joker John, I don’t know if you knew who Joker John Agrusa was. I [00:28:00] don’t remember that n- I don’t remember that name now. Was he- They had a bar out on, they had a bar on, out on 23rd Street. No, I don’t, I don’t- Joker John’s. John, his last name was Agrusa. He had a brother- Agrusa, yeah … named Nick Agrus. New- Nick Agrusa’s brother. Yeah, I co- do kinda remember that. He went down- Yeah … with that whole thing. See, I was- That was ’83. I was I was off into something else during those years. Okay. No- That was early in the coke, crack cocaine thing … no, John, w- after I beat up Pink Mike, John Agrusa left town. He moved to Arizona, ’cause he was scared of me. A l- a lot of people- ’cause I was crazy. I did some crazy things, and people were scared. And so when I got arrested on that deal, he left town. He went to Arizona. And then Kenny got busted, Kenny Weld. And the, some of the people in that… My dad read that 20-page statement, and my dad said… And my dad was an old guy. He was born in 1909, but he read that statement, and he said, “This guy’s worth, life ain’t worth a nickel, is it?” And I [00:29:00] said, “No.” ‘Cause the guy that wrote the statement. Then I got arrest- you knew Jim Smart was a judge? Yeah, I remember the name. I didn’t know him. Okay. Jim… back then, Jim was a lawyer, and then later became appellate court judge. Yeah. And he’s retired now, but a real good friend of mine. So when I, that happened, I got… My case ended in May of ’84. Started September 5th of ’82, and ended in May of ’84. And in June of ’85, 13 months later, I got sued by the guy I beat up. Me and the other couple guy. One of the guys that was with me is dead, Charlie Elmer. I don’t know if you ever heard that name, but he was a- No, don’t know that name … cocaine dealer. But anyway I was just gonna forget about it, and I showed that to my dad, that indict- or not indictment, the notice that I need to appear in court. Statement. Yeah. Yeah, and my dad s- no, not the statement, when he sued me. [00:30:00] Oh, the oh, okay. Then they filed charges. Yeah, the counter-suit. And I showed it to my dad one day and I wasn’t even gonna go. I said, “Oh, God will take care of it.” And my dad read it, and he’s “Bill, you gotta get a lawyer.” Yeah. You’re being charged, and so I went and got a lawyer, and I got Jim Smart. And and Jim tried to go and do a deposition on that guy, on Pink Mike. Could never find him. Ah. And I di- I don’t know, I honestly don’t know. I know I didn’t have nothing to do with… But nobody’s ever been able to find him. But I’m suspecting, ’cause my dad said when he read that 20 pa- he said his life isn’t worth a nickel. Because he named judge in there, a judge in there. He named Kenny Weld in there. He named a lot of other big-name guys, and he’s disappeared, so nobody know. I haven’t seen him since the day in court in 1982. So who knows where he’s at. Yeah. If he’s around. I don’t know. But- Interesting. What did you finally cop? Did you have a full trial, or did you go ahead and cop a plea in the end? That’s interesting you’d [00:31:00] ask because when we first, when we got out of jail at 1:30 Monday morning, the 3rd of the 6th of September, he wal- the lawyer came and walked us out with, we… we had left, we were staying in the Embassy Suites downtown. You know where that was at? Oh, yeah. It was 500 bucks a night, and we had left two s- two s- brief- briefcases there with one had cocaine in it uncut, and the other one had about $60,000 in it. And so we went down. We actually called… he’s dead now, so I can tell you who it was. Jerry Schanzer that owned Napoleon Bakery. And Jerry was a big… i’m surprised that you didn’t, you talk about bookmakers. Jerry was a big bookmaker. Yeah. Exactly. And Schanzer- I remember him, yeah … Schanzer owned Mother’s down on 18th and Baltimore. Not Mother’s. Granny’s. Granny’s, yeah. He owned Granny’s at 18th and Baltimore. Yeah, a lot of mob guys used- And then he- … to go down there and eat. Oh, every time I went in there I saw [00:32:00] somebody. Yeah. And then later he opened up one over in Mission shopping center there on Mission Road. And then they then they ended up opening up Napoleon, him and his brother Larry. And then they’re both dead now. But we, this is how much we trusted Jerry. We told Jerry, “Go…” We called Jerry from the jail and said, “Go down to the Embassy and get our, get a briefcase.” And Jerry went down and he drove halfway to Warrensburg and ha- something told him to open it- Oh, wow … and he opened the one, he opened the one that had the cocaine in it. Oh, shit. And he called us and said, “I got the wrong briefcase.” And it… No, he said, “I can’t come and get you with this.” And so he went back to the Embassy and got the right one. Came down, and we made bond that night. Then the next morning was… Okay, that was we got busted on Sunday the 5th. Monday we got out. The lawyer [00:33:00] said, Mike, I don’t know if you ever knew Mike and what was his dad’s name? The Fi- it was Fitzgerald and Fitzgerald was the name of the firm in, down in Warrensburg. Warensburg, yeah. I don’t know them. Yeah. And Mike and Charlie Fitzgerald. So ’cause I called People’s Office and said, “Hey, this happened.” And they said, “Stick with those guys. Those guys are the best in the county. They know the county. They know the prosecutor, the judges and everything. Stick with them.” So we went in. He told us, “Don’t come in tomorrow morning,” ’cause it was 1:30 in the morning Monday morning. He said, “Come and see me Wednesday.” Yeah. And so we went… no, he said, “Come and see me Tuesday,” ’cause that was 1:30 in the morning. And we walked in there that morning and he said, “Come and see me tomorrow morning, Tuesday morning.” And bring me $10,000 apiece. And I wish I had a video of it, because it can be on America’s Funniest Home Videos. I walked into his office with a white bank bag and dumped out $30,000 on his desk in cash, and he opened [00:34:00] his drawer like this and scooped it into the drawer. And I said, “Mike, there’s a lot more where that came from.” He said, “Bill, I can’t. It’s… I gotta do everything legitimately.” Yeah. And I said, “Okay.” So the first meeting, his dad was in there and he was in there, and the three of us, and he said, “Guys, Dad and I have talked, and you guys might wanna think about getting separate attorneys.” And I said, “For what?” He said, “Because if one of you take a plea.” Yeah. I almost jumped over the desk. I said, “There’ll be no plea. There will be no plea. We’re not guilty. We’re not gonna admit we’re guilty. They can send us to the electric chair. We didn’t do it.” Now, Gary, they took us out of the house at 2:00 on Sunday afternoon in broad daylight. First, they s- we sent the guy out the back. He was totally naked when we got there. He was laying in bed. He’d been doing Dilaudids and Quaaludes all night, and he was [00:35:00] blood from the crown of his head to the soles of his feet. His whole back was red. We walked him out the door in- totally naked in front of the whole world and told him, “Go out there and tell them there’s nobody else in the house.” We were so jacked up. And here’s the thing, I have to tell you this. All those years that I got away with stuff is because I was smart, and now I’m snow blind. There was a song years ago by Styx called Snow Blind- Yeah … and it’s about cocaine. It’s about… And I’d been up for 86 hours when we went down to Holden. I had not- Okay … closed my eyes for 86 hours, so I was in m- I wasn’t in my right mind. Anyway, that was… So when we we said, “No plea bargain. There’ll be no plea bargains.” And for seven months… No, I’m sorry, for four months. That was October, November, December, January, February, March, April. No, seven months. For seven months. For seven months [00:36:00] we went to court multiple times. The whole police department, I don’t know if we can- I guess we’ll say it, because it’s done. It’s history. But I had a, I had two grocery sacks, the old brown grocery sacks on the couch that I’d inventoried. I had $62,000 in cash. I had… Because it was in envelopes, and I- they were $10,000. I was throwing them in there. 62,000 in cash, about four pounds of pot, three gallon Ziploc bags full of precious jewels. Er emeralds, rubies, and stuff like that. Some hash- a 12-gauge shotgun. I think that was all. Maybe maybe it… Whatever. When they, when… The first time we ever went to court and my partner had, the one that’s dead, Charlie, he had a leather Gucci bag that we always had with us, and it had four or five grams of cocaine in it. He took his diamond rings off, put them in there. His watch, he had a Rolex [00:37:00] watch he put in there, and about 3,000 in cash. That was in the car. That was never mentioned in court. No guns were ever mentioned in court. No guns were ever mentioned in court. I had a brand new, I had a brand new fif- not- model 59 nine millimeter. That was never mentioned in court. That 12-gauge shotgun was never mentioned in court. They said that they found a couple envelopes of cash, and they found a gram. Now, there was about, I think there was about probably a half a, maybe eight, eight grams or no more than that. It was ounces. Four or five ounces of cocaine. Oh, yeah. They said they found one, they said they found one gram of a, approximately one gram of a substance believed to be cocaine. Yeah. And my lawyer said… And they said they’d send it to Jeff City for analysis. And my lawyer said, “And what were the analysis of that?” They said they haven’t come [00:38:00] back yet. This is two months after they arrested us. They did- And they found approximately one gram, and there was ounces of cocaine in there. They found a couple envelopes with approximately $2,000 in cash. There was $62,000. The car I was driving, so when I got arrested, I had the keys in my pocket. So when they booked us into jail, when we walked out at 1:30 Monday morning, they gave us back our property. I had the keys in my pocket. So the car’s… Now, this is a brand new ’80, this was a ’82. This was an ’81 Trans Am. The car’s in Holden. The police chi- And they said they were gonna confiscate the car because it had Kansas tags on it, that they wanted to go through the car da. The police chief changed the ignition and was driving that car for his personal car. It cost my buddy, because it was a friend of mine, T- Ronnie M- Ron McGee, it was his car. It cost him $10,000 and an attorney to get his car back from them. So bottom line, every time we [00:39:00] went to court, several ti- my lawyer would say, “I’d like to call Officer Gary Jenkins up.” Gary Jenkins is not on the force anymore. He moved to Arizona.” “I’d like to call so-and-so up next time we go in.” He’s not here anymore. He moved to wherever.” So all the money and all the guns and all the drugs, they split it up and no, nobody ever… So the thing was so dirty. So what happens is we’d been going to court for that seven months, And then I become a Christian. I walk into his offi- and we’re adamant, we’re not plea bargain. We don’t want separate lawyers. We want you two guys to represent us. We’re gonna beat this thing. And, oh, and I told, because when that guy gave that 20-page statement after he got out of the hospital, this was a month later or something, he called us all in. We went in. He sh- hands each one of us 20-page statement. He said, “Guys, let me tell you something. I’m defending you on an assault with intent to kill charge. I’m gonna get that reduced, but if you get busted [00:40:00] dealing cocaine, you’ve got to stop dealing cocaine, ’cause if you get busted dealing cocaine while I’m on this case, it’s gonna complicate the case.” Yeah. “You gotta stop.” And I said, “Mike, I don’t tell you how to practice law, and you don’t tell me how to make money. You just keep doing what you do, and I’ll keep doing what I do, and I’ll keep bringing you money.” And he never said another word. Three or four months later, I become a Christian. I walk into his office by myself. And when I walked in the door, he said, “What happened to you?” If you look at that book on the picture of my, on the back of my book, that was four months before I became a Christian. And the Bible says the eyes are the windows of the soul. I had a very dark soul. Yeah, I can see. I had a very dark soul. Yeah. And so he goes, “What happened to you?” And I said, “What do you mean?” And he said, “You don’t look the same.” And I said, “I’m not the same.” And I told him what happened. And he said… And I said, “We’ve got a problem.” And he goes, “What’s our [00:41:00] problem, Bill?” I said, “I can’t lie anymore.” He said, “You’re right. We’ve got a problem.” ‘Cause we’d been lying for seven months. We told… He knew the story. He said, “I just need to know this. I’ll defend you guys. I’ll beat this case, but I need to know.” So we told… And at this point now, seven months later, he said, “There’s no way out of this thing. You guys are going to prison.” He said, “I can help you figure out a way to get to the good prison, but you’re going to prison.” So when I go in that day and he goes, “What’s wrong? What what happened?” And I told him, and he said, “You don’t look the same.” I said, “I’m not the same.” I said, “We got a problem.” He goes, “What?” I said, “We can’t lie. I can’t lie anymore.” And he said I’ve got an idea.” And I said, “What?” He said if I enter a plea bargain, I think we can do this.” And he said, “You guys won’t go to prison.” And he said, “Talk to Mike and Charlie and see what they say.” So I called them. We went down, met with him. And this time they looked at me and said, “What do you think we should do, Bill?” [00:42:00] I said, “I think we ought to take the plea bargain.” We got five years’ probation and a $5,000 fine. Now, the crazy thing- that was on the assault. Yeah, they- That was on the assault. But you still got a cocaine case out here pending with the feds. No. No. No. That, if, that, that- 20-page statement that implicated me was never, he never got it out of his office. It never went out of Fitzgerald’s office. So it, he didn’t tell it to… He told it to whoever he told it to, but to the police, and the police were all crooks anyway . Yeah. So I don’t know who he told. I just know that our lawyer said if this cocaine thing comes up, it’s gonna complicate our case. It never came up. Oh. And so maybe it was the mercy of God, I don’t know. Because it was a 20-page typewritten statement naming judges, Kenny Weld, all these guys, and all these people started falling after that. And so anyway, we ended up getting a $5,000 fine and five-year probation. Now, the crazy thing, if you read my book, Charlie and Mike both went, they got called and they [00:43:00] went and reported. I never got a call. 13 months later, I had a nephew getting married up in in Wisconsin, and I wanted to go to that wedding, and I knew I couldn’t leave without permission, but I didn’t have anybody to ask permission from. And when that guy sued me, G- Gary, when that guy sued me and I went and got the lawyer that I told you I went and got, I said, “By the way…” He said, “I wanna take this case.” I said, “Great.” I said, “By the way, I got arrested September 5th of ’82. The case ended in May. I was placed on five-year probation, a $5,000 fine. I’ve never heard from anybody. What do you think I sh- should do?” He said, “Bill, you need to write a letter.” And I put the letter in the book. I wrote a letter and said da. I’d like to be supervised. Please contact me.” 13 months, and they, within two days they were knocking on my front door. And that’s when I started reporting. And Kay King was my first pr- [00:44:00] probation officer, and she asked me all the whole story, and I had sat with her for two hours and told her the whole story. She asked me how many drugs I did, what I did. I said, “I’ve done everything there is, from, marijuana to heroin to… I’ve done it all.” And I did massive amounts of everything. And I was drinking two quarts of whiskey at the end every day. And people are like, “You can’t drink two quarts of whiskey.” I said, “You never did cocaine, did you?” ‘Cause when you’re doing, ’cause when you’re doing cocaine, you can’t get drunk. And so anyway that… And I asked her when I left her office, I said, “So does my probation start now, or does it start back then?” She said, “No, Bill, it starts today.” Oh, really? I said- Wow. I said, “For 13 months I’ve been going to churches and schools and telling people how bad drugs are and how bad alcohol is and how bad this is.” And I said, “I’ve not had a traffic ticket. I haven’t had a traffic ticket.” The only ticket I’ve got in the last 43 years, I had a bad car wreck where I got T-boned at 70 miles an [00:45:00] hour. I pulled out in front of a guy. It was my fault. And that’s the only ticket I’ve had in 43 years. I haven’t been stopped by the police. And she said, “I’m sorry, Bill, it starts today.” Guess what? I did the whole five year. I went from then, I got off in ’89 or something, I th- it was almost five years I did. My partners, they only did a year and a half, and they let them off. And they were still dealing cocaine. They were still dealing. They were still dealing. Matter of fact, one of them’s brother his mama died, and the funeral was at Passantino Brothers over there on the avenue. And I went to the funeral, and I was sorry, and we were hugging. And me and him sat down and were talking, and he had a little leather Gucci bag. And he said, “Hey, I’m go- now listen.” He said, “I’m going to the bathroom. You wanna go with me?” I said, “No, brother.” Yeah. And I got up and left. He wanted to go do some cocaine. Damn. And that was years after, he’d been… Anyway. Yeah. But I’m glad I had to do the whole five years because I got to speak [00:46:00] in some… She called me once and said, “I got a friend that teaches a criminal justice class at a college, and they’ve had detectives and they’ve had police officers, they’ve had lawyers, they’ve had parole officers, but they’ve never had a criminal. Would you come and speak?” And I said, “I’d be glad to.” And I f- and then I called the professor and I said, “I’ve been asked to come.” And he said, “Yeah, we’re looking forward.” And I said I have to tell you one thing. I cannot come in there and speak and not tell your class that my life was radically changed April 15th, 1983, when I came into encounter with God through his son, Jesus Christ.” He said, “That’s okay.” And I went and told them, so I was glad I got to stay on parole for five years. So- So Bill what are you doing now? I know you- I’m just- you’ve got a prison ministry. Do you speak- Yeah … at prisons and, and- That’s all I do, Garrett. 40 years just- How does one get into that? Do you have an agent that booked you into different prisons- No … or how does that work? No. No. I started going in 1986 with [00:47:00] a guy named Bill Glass, who was a NFL player. Played for the Cleveland Browns. He was an All-Pro. Actually started… He got, he retired from football in 1968, so that’s how old he was. Started the ministry in ’72, and was the biggest prison ministry in the nation, had 30,000 volunteers. And I started going in as just a volunteer, and then he asked me to be a platform speaker, and I was a platform speaker for him for 30 years. And went to, I’ve been in over 500 different prisons in my life, and I do prisons almost every day, a prison or a jail almost every day. We’re getting ready to do, this will be our 17th car show up at Crossroads in Cameron, and this will be the biggest car show ever in a US prison, in history. Last year was the biggest. We had 80 cars last year, but this year we’re planning on- by car sh- car show, what do you mean? Like guys bring their classic cars up and…? And drive them in on the prison yard. Oh, wow. And the inmates get to come out, walk around and look at them. And last year we had 80 cars and bikes. [00:48:00] This year we’re gonna have 250 motorcycles and cars. Wow. And we’re gonna feed 2,000 people. We’ve got… W- we’re gonna have 2,000 meals that day for the inmates and the staff, all the staff. So that’s what I’ve been doing for all these years, and will keep doing it as long as I can, wow. But as far as… I was gonna ask you about old Joey Rags. I knew Joe Ragusa. Did you ever deal with that guy? Did you? Not directly. I followed him a lot and almo- we almost caught him too, in a hit one time. And then they saw us and they had boogied on out. But I know one story- That would have been a- … about him. He was, He needed to go… I heard this later. He needed to go to a meeting downtown, down to City Market with the other mob guys, ’cause, he was right next to Charlie Martina, and he went on several hits with these guys during the Spiro-Savella war. So he’s out at the plumbing place where he was working, so he… Guy comes in- Where was he at? Was he at St. John Plumbing? I don’t remember the name of it. It was over there by N- Jackson, Ninth and Jackson, or Truman and Jackson, somewhere over there [00:49:00] on the east side. I can’t remember the name of it now. And so he need… said… told this guy, he said, “Hey,” he said, “I need to go down to the market.” He said, “Can you give me a ride down there?” And the guy said you got your car here.” He said no, you give me a ride.” So he gets in, lays down in the back seat. So the guy takes him down there, then he gets out. No, he was a real deal. Boy, that old market was something, wasn’t it? Yeah. That old City Market. Oh, man. Yeah, heard mob guys out there. Yeah they had a pretty big… Hey, what about, I was gonna ask you about a couple guys that were big heroin kingpins, Sam Haley and Aaron Gant. Was you involved when they were really big in Kansas City? Y- I was a young policeman, ’72, ’73, ’74, and Aaron Gant and Sam Haley were like the big ducks. And they had this war going between the two little heroin organizations. And Gant was, he was in with some guys, and Aaron Gant called him Junebug. He was in with the God, there was a whole family, the Denmans. He was in with [00:50:00] these guys. And so they… And Sam Haley was… I never did understand the difference, but they had two different organizations and they hated each other is my understanding. Oh, they did. Yeah. How about Ramseys? Did you know who the Ramseys were? I don’t see. The Ramsey brothers? I remember that na- Huh? I know that name. I think one of those crime families that, that stole- they were- … money in the neighborhood and- They were the- … everyone else … they were killers, all of them. Yeah. I think there was eight boys, and at one time seven or eight of them were in Missouri for murder. And I was seeing… I was in Potosi. And Rambo, R- Roy Rambo Ramsey they called him, and he’s the one that they got a… Remember when the la- what’d they call them that you put on the roof of your car? Oh, Landau top. Landau top, yeah. Yeah. That wasn’t the word I’m looking for, though. Whatever it was, th- you could have them tops put on. Yeah. They got one put on in a poster shop over on Prospect. Oh. And [00:51:00] when they called and said, “Your car’s ready,” they went up there and killed everybody in the shop and took their car and left. And then they went out to Belton or Grandview, and there was an old couple that had a bunch of old coins and stuff, and they knew one of the people. They knew one of the brothers, and I think it was Roy. And they went out there and knocked on the door, and of course, they let them in. They told their girlfriend to stay in the car, and they went in and they shot them They were 65 and 66 years old. The little old lady was 65 and the old man was… They shot each one of them three times, and just for a few dollars worth of coins, man. They were murderers. They were killers. But I was up in Potosi and Roy asked me, he said, “Would you go see my dad?” And I was… I said… He said, “He’s in a nursing home.” And Gary, his father, was a hardworking man, had never committed a crime in his life, and he was in this nursing home. And I went and saw him and prayed for him and stuff. But here are these… He [00:52:00] had these eight sons that were murderers. They were killers. And the old man was in a nursing home dying. And, Roy asked me if I’d go see him, so I went and saw him, prayed for him. But yeah, they were something else, them guys. Interesting. You you mentioned Sam Haley. There w- we had, here just in your area, was a guy named Michael Cantu, who used to be a fire captain. Had… Was a, a big time cocaine dealer. During those years, he got into- Yeah … cocaine. He and his brother Joe and Joe Maggio, and they had a cocaine deal going, and he got back out. He had a body shop over on Independence Avenue, and two Black guys came in and executed him, basically. Left the employee there. There wasn’t anything to steal, and executed him. And the drawings, one of them we… There was a lot of speculation it looked like Sam Haley. So I think he was- Might’ve been … I think he was supplying Black dealers with cocaine I believe. I saw him meeting with some guys once that that- Yeah, they were- … I didn’t know who they were, but they all looked like Black cocaine dealers they were killers, all them guys. Haley and Gant and those guys. Did you, I asked you about, Yeah, heavy idea. [00:53:00] I- here’s a question. I just got an inquiry from one of Gant’s relatives of… They were wanting to know more about Aaron Gant getting killed. See, he got out of the joint. He went to Missouri State Penitentiary, I think it was for drugs. Yep. And he went to a club that night, and somebody walked in, was walked in, shot him, and walked out right away. Another Black dude. So this relative was asking me if I knew any more about it. I didn’t know any more about it. You remember that deal at all? I don’t remember that. Okay. I di- I actually, I was thinking that Aaron Gant and Sam Haley had been dead for years, but, that was- this was years ago. This was quite a while ago. Okay. This was probably- Yeah, I thought he might have died in prison or something, ’cause I knew they both had a lot of time. They did a lot of- Yeah … time in Missouri. Yeah. Yeah, they did. So did you- But they were kingpins. Their names are really well-known, feared names on the East Side in Kansas City. Oh, yeah. Really feared names. Absolutely. Did you ever go around Vic Fontana’s place when he opened up Fanny’s? Oh, yeah. I went in and out of several. He had several different places. He had Fanny’s. [00:54:00] He had one down on the Southwest Trafficway a little bit after your time, I think oh, God, I forgot the name of it. But yeah, the, all the mob guys went into his joints. He was mob friendly. Yeah. I was really s- I met him when he had when he had the one up on Main next to Butch’s, next to Mother’s. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He had that place yeah what was, Walter Midy. Must have been Walter Midy’s. Walter Midy. Yeah, that’s where I met Vic. And then I actually plumbed that Fanny’s when he opened up Fa

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Detroit fans wanted answers on Myles Garrett and why the Detroit Lions were not in the middle of it. The conversation laid out a tight timeline, guarded intentions, and a market that only cracked open very late. It was not an open auction. It was a narrow window. Why Detroit Stayed Quiet The show framed the local frustration clearly. People in Detroit felt miffed that the Lions were not involved or did not appear to be. The discussion pushed back. At the combine, the response to any Garrett inquiry was simple. Nothing had changed. The Browns were not moving him. That posture held until very recently. The message to other NFL teams was firm. There was no plan to trade Myles Garrett. Without a signal from Cleveland, there was no reason for Detroit to force a market that did not exist. The Browns' Playbook for Leverage Why the late shift? The Browns wanted options, not a fire sale. Trading a player like Jared Verst was used as the example of rarity. A rookie contract edge rusher with two years of All Pro play and a Defensive Rookie of the Year on the shelf does not get moved. Valuation on that archetype ranged wildly. First and a third. First and a second. Two firsts. Maybe four. That spread underscores how unusual this type of deal would be. The front office approach was explained as aggressive and win focused, not a tear down. They pushed big money back to keep doors open in case a trade surfaced. They also explored whether the NFL would allow five years of future picks instead of three. That ask served two purposes. Maximize what could come back in a Garrett deal. Preserve flexibility to go get a quarterback like Arch Manning as a hypothetical, even if one of the picks landed as far out as 2032. Who Actually Knocked The market finally stirred. The Los Angeles Rams were very aggressive. The Philadelphia Eagles were communicative. The Dallas Cowboys were mentioned. That is where the real dialogue lived late. It tracks with why the Lions did not make noise. The window opened fast and selective. The Browns' valuation was unconventional and steep. Put together, the NFL puzzle looked like this. No movement at the combine. No real plan to trade. Then a late-stage effort to expand trade mechanics and push money around. Only a few teams engaged with the nerve and the capital. Detroit kept its powder dry while the Browns tested the ceiling of leverage. #detroitlions #lions #detroitlionspodcast #mylesgarrett #clevelandbrowns #jimschwartz #drewpetzing #garretttrade #denzelward #petzingscheme Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The hosts of 92.3 The Fan react to the Browns' momentous trade of All-Pro defensive end Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and draft picks. The guys parse what the deal means for the near- and long-term, what it says about the quarterback room, and weigh the team's apparently pragmatic approach for a move that was destined to be unpopular among fans.

CHAMPIONSHIP MENTALITY & THE ULTIMATE ROBINS! The ultimate stages are officially set. We have survived the bracket bloodbaths, the brooms have been put away, and only two teams remain standing in both the NBA and the NHL. Myles Garrett Traded to the LA Rams: The bros discuss the blockbuster deal involving the All-Pro pass rusher moving to the City of Angels. Will this make the Rams favorites to win the Super Bowl?#TopOfTheOrder: The Final Destinations. A Blast From the Past in the NBA Finals: It is officially a wrap on the conference finals. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the defending champion Thunder have been dethroned, setting up an epic, historic rematch nearly 30 years in the making: The New York Knicks vs. The San Antonio Spurs. Jalen Brunson vs. Victor Wembanyama. We break down the brackets and give our definitive series predictions before Game 1 tips off on WednesdayThe Clash for Lord Stanley: The Carolina Hurricanes shook off an early speed bump against Montreal, rattling off four straight wins to dominate the Eastern Conference Finals. Now, Rod Brind'Amour's bunch faces Mitch Marner, Jack Eichel, and the powerhouse Vegas Golden Knights for the Stanley Cup. Who hoists the silver chalice?#ChoicesOfTheVoices: The Ultimate Wingmen“With the NBA postseason roaring, The SportsBros Podcast asks who your favorite “second fiddle” player is? Championship teams generally have their star player, but need that second punch to get the knockout, the Robin to their Batman. Who did you enjoy watching as the number 2 guy and why?”#WalkOffShot: No safety nets, no scripts, no filters. The Bros close out the hour with their rawest, most unfiltered thoughts on the sports wire.#SportsBros #NBAFinals #StanleyCupFinal #KnicksTape #GoSpursGo #CauseChaos #VegasBorn #JalenBrunson #Wemby #RodBrindAmour #SportsPodcast #LiveStream

The hosts of 92.3 The Fan react to the Browns' momentous trade of All-Pro defensive end Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and draft picks. The guys parse what the deal means for the near- and long-term, what it says about the quarterback room, and weigh the team's apparently pragmatic approach for a move that was destined to be unpopular among fans.

On today's episode of Hot Takes, Eric and Troy discuss Jared Bednar reportedly staying as Avs head coach for the 2026-27 season. General Manager Chris MacFarland has left for the Nashville Predators, where he will be the GM and President of Hockey Ops. Is this the right move to keep Bednar? How big of a loss is MacFarland? Plus, Broncos CB Pat Surtain II is getting a $5M raise this season on his base salary and can make more on incentives, depending on All-Pro and Pro Bowl honors. Why did Broncos management do this? And do the Penners treat their players, similar to how Pat Bowlen did? Check out another episode of Hot Takes with Eric Goodman and Troy Renck! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The hosts of 92.3 The Fan react to the Browns' momentous trade of All-Pro defensive end Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and draft picks. The guys parse what the deal means for the near- and long-term, what it says about the quarterback room, and weigh the team's apparently pragmatic approach for a move that was destined to be unpopular among fans.

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We start the show off with some super cross talk with Mason & Ireland. The guys are both in studio along with Marcas Grant NFL Fantasy football expert, & Co Host of the Blue Review who joins us every Monday. BREAKING NEWS. The Cleveland Browns traded All Pro edge rusher Myles Garrett to the LA Rams for Jared Verse, a 2027 first-round pick, a 2028 2nd and a 2029 3rd. GUEST Your voice of the LA Rams on ESPN LA JB Long joins the show to react to Myles Garrett being traded to the Rams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Rams traded for All-Pro pass rusher Myles Garrett, the type of move Brad Holmes has yet to make as GM of the Lions

The Giants gained name value and veteran depth by adding Odell Beckham Jr., Braxton Berrios, and JuJu Smith-Schuster, but the sacrifice may be obvious: this many June receiver moves raises real questions about Malik Nabers and the health of the wide receiver room.Follow on Spotify and leave a 5-star rating on Apple Podcasts if you enjoy no-BS Giants debate.The Big Question: Why did the Giants sign three wide receivers in one day? The cleanest answer is that the Giants needed return help after Gunner Olszewski's injury, veteran depth for Matt Nagy's offense, and insurance in case Malik Nabers is not ready as quickly as fans hope.OBJ coming back is the emotional headline. Drew and Rob gave Beckham his due as one of the most electric Giants receivers ever, with a résumé that still sits near the top of the franchise record book. But they also pushed the conversation past nostalgia. This version of OBJ is older, has dealt with major injuries, has not produced like the 2015 version in years, and only makes sense if John Harbaugh keeps the role clear.Is Braxton Berrios a real Gunner Olszewski replacement, or just a veteran swing?Berrios makes sense because the Giants needed a return option after Olszewski landed on IR. He has All-Pro returner history, but this episode does not treat him like an automatic fix. The debate is whether there is still enough return-game juice there, or whether the Giants are simply taking a low-risk shot at a familiar veteran profile.Is JuJu Smith-Schuster actually the most useful signing of the three?The OBJ name carries the most emotion, but JuJu may have the clearest path to practical snaps. Drew argued that Smith-Schuster's recent playing time, power-slot profile, and Matt Nagy connection could make him more useful right away than fans expect, especially if the Giants lean into more spread looks or need reliable short-area targets.Are the Giants quietly worried about Malik Nabers?That became the real tension point. Adding OBJ, Berrios, JuJu, and still working out Anthony Miller makes the wide receiver room feel less like normal depth shopping and more like insurance. Drew and Rob pushed back on overreacting to Nabers moving cautiously at a charity softball event, but the larger roster behavior still makes the question fair.The episode also covers Zach Triner being released, Ben Mann becoming the only long snapper currently on the roster, Jarrod Gray joining through the International Player Pathway, Arvell Reese officially signing his rookie contract, and Russell Wilson moving toward CBS Sports.Merch: https://2giantgoofballs-shop.fourthwall.com/Support: https://buymeacoffee.com/2giantgoofballsAll episodes: https://2giantgoofballs.buzzsprout.com/Send us Fan MailSupport the show

Our esteemed host Paul Mitchell is joined by Ian Steven, Gordon McGuinness, and late addition Charles Paterson to break down two major NFL trades: the Rams acquiring All-Pro edge rusher Myles Garrett from the Browns for a 2027 first-round pick, Jared Verse, and 2028/2029 picks, and the Eagles trading wide receiver A.J. Brown to the Patriots while saving $50m a 2028 first-round pick. They discuss divisional impacts, the Rams' win-now window with Matthew Stafford and backup options, and what Jared Verse and A.J. Brown bring to their new teams. The group also reviews NFL UK & Ireland's England-themed Nike jersey rollout and the shambolic American Express presale communication, before briefly making Scotland World Cup predictions and trying to guess Paul's middle name.

The guys began the third hour with the second of two "Can We Say That?" segments today. Then, they reacted to some audio from former All-Pro safety Eric Weddle commenting on Bryce Underwood.

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We are wrapping up a massive Day 3 of Carolina Panthers OTAs with plenty of star-studded energy around Charlotte! In this episode, we dive into the nostalgic vibes sweeping through practice as franchise legends make their return to inspire the roster. Head coach Dave Canales is officially kicking off Year 3 at the helm—we examine his vision to take this team to the next level and why the rise of newly promoted special teams assistant Daren Bates is a massive storyline to watch.Plus, we provide an exclusive update on left tackle Ickey Ekwonu's intensive rehab process and what it means for the offensive line depth chart moving forward. Then, it's a reality check for the 2023 draft class as they hit a pivotal phase in their development. Finally, we break down what to expect from newly acquired All-Pro linebacker Devin Lloyd in 2026 as he establishes himself as the sideline-to-sideline heartbeat of this rising Panthers defense. Hit subscribe, leave a review, and let's talk Panthers football!

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A leader paid like a cornerstone Jack Campbell's new deal landed, and the Detroit Lions linebacker matched the moment. In his press conference, he opened with thanks. Family. His wife and her family. Coaches. Jared Goff. It fit the player Detroit sees every Sunday. Grounded. Direct. Team first. He also remembered draft night noise. Campbell said someone sent him a clipping that called him the worst draft pick ever. His response set his tone. It was not about proving doubters wrong. It was about proving the believers right. That is the voice of a middle-of-the-defense anchor. The Lions treated him like one with this extension, and he earned it. Production that forces respect Campbell stacked an elite 2025. He recorded 176 tackles. That ranked fourth in the NFL and marked the 21st most in a season since 1983. He added five sacks, four pass breakups, and three forced fumbles. He was the only linebacker in football to top three in all those categories. That is volume and impact. Availability matched the output. He played all but four defensive snaps for Detroit last year. When injuries hit around him as a rookie, staying on the field taught him to lead. The growth carried into an All-Pro season. Coverage was once the knock. It is better now. The four pass breakups underscore that he is no longer flat-footed at the catch point like he was early. Campbell credited linebackers coaches Kelvin Sheppard and Shaun Dion Hamilton for sharpening his game. What's next in the middle There is still ceiling. Campbell can keep tightening his coverage. He can time blitzes a little better. He can be cleaner strafing laterally when blockers climb. The context will test him. Without DJ Reader and Roy Lopez as true nose tackles, second-level linemen might get cleaner paths to him. He will have to beat those angles. The expectation is he will. First-team All-Pro status says plenty, but the standard rises again. Contract structure at a glance The extension runs four years for $81,000,000. Total guarantees are $51.15 million. Of that, $22.9 million is fully guaranteed at signing. New money guaranteed is $48.4 million. Campbell received an $8.6 million signing bonus. His 2026 and 2027 salaries are fully guaranteed. That is how a franchise invests in its defensive core. This Detroit Lions Podcast episode centered on a simple truth. Campbell's game, voice, and durability align with what the Lions want in the middle. The numbers back it up. The contract does, too. #detroitlions #lions #detroitlionspodcast #jackcampbell #nfl #contractextension #lionsdefense #contractdetails #samlaporta Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ross is joined by 4x All-Pro linebacker Fred Warner to discuss why he thinks Christian McCaffrey will never get the appreciation he truly deserves why the 49ers were a couple of season ending injuries away from the Super Bowl, what that means for 2026, and more! Fred Warner Interview: 2:25 NFL News & Notes: 11:40 Download the DraftKings Sports Book App and use code ROSS! Connect with the Pod Website - https://www.rosstucker.com Become A Patron - https://www.patreon.com/RTMedia Podcast Twitter - https://twitter.com/RossTuckerPod Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/rosstuckerpod/ Ross Twitter - https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ross is joined by 4x All-Pro linebacker Fred Warner to discuss why he thinks Christian McCaffrey will never get the appreciation he truly deserves why the 49ers were a couple of season ending injuries away from the Super Bowl, what that means for 2026, and more! Fred Warner Interview: 2:25 NFL News & Notes: 11:40 Download the DraftKings Sports Book App and use code ROSS! Connect with the Pod Website - https://www.rosstucker.com Become A Patron - https://www.patreon.com/RTMedia Podcast Twitter - https://twitter.com/RossTuckerPod Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/rosstuckerpod/ Ross Twitter - https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Let's talk about the middle of the defense. One of which with major questions and another that even though you lost an All-Pro level player you still feel fantastic about. https://sportspyder.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/news?pid=4349

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Why the Fifth-Year Option Never Made Sense The Detroit Lions made Jack Campbell the NFL's second highest paid linebacker. The number is big, and the reasoning is clear. Off-ball linebackers are grouped with pass-rush linebackers for option calculations. That bucket includes names like Micah Parsons. Even Miles Garrett falls into that label in the accounting. Aidan Hutchinson could be listed there, too. Because Campbell earned first team All-Pro, the fifth-year option would have escalated beyond his annual number. The option math was upside down. So the Lions acted early and got cost certainty. The same structure exists for other young Lions. Jahmir Gibbs had a smaller escalator tied to Pro Bowls. This is how the NFL and NFLPA built the system. It rewards production, but it can spike costs at certain positions. Inside the Deal and the Market Campbell's contract lands at $81,000,000 total value and $20,250,000 per year. Only Roquan Smith tops him in total dollars. Only Fred Warner makes more per year at $21,000,000. Average per year is the clean measuring stick. Total value often carries fluff. Teams use mechanisms like void years, and the back end can be soft. The Detroit Lions Podcast spelled out why this price point isn't out of bounds. It is pushing the market, not breaking it. He is young, coming off his first contract, and already an All-Pro. Someone else will leapfrog him soon. That is how the market works. What Campbell Puts on Tape Campbell's tape backs the investment. He forces fumbles by punching the ball out. Officials explained why some of those attempts will now be penalties, and he had a couple misses. The core skill still matters. He arrives on balance. He squares up. He finishes. You rarely see a bad snap. The only consistent nit is occasional coverage wins by the offense. His instincts show up. So does his reactive quickness and eye discipline. He does not overrun the point of attack. That matters for this defense. The pet peeve with linebackers who fly past tackles or get stiff-armed because they are out of control does not apply here. The comparisons offered were about style and reliability. Think Lance Briggs. Think Chris Spielman. Right place. Right angles. Right result. What's Next in the Hierarchy Campbell is now slotted as the No. 2 off-ball linebacker by pay. The plan was to stack up other Detroit Lions stars and where they rank next. That conversation is coming. For now, the headline stands: the Detroit Lions paid for steady, high-end play. The NFL market context and option math justify it. The Detroit Lions Podcast laid out the numbers and the tape, and both point to value. #detroitlions #lions #detroitlionspodcast #jackcampbell #nflcontractrankings #peneisewell #jaredgoff #kerbyjoseph #alimmcneill #voidyears Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jack Campbell Locked In, Option Math Explained Jeff Risdon went live on the Detroit Lions Podcast for a bonus hit. Chris was slated to join, but he's on short-term injured reserve. The headline was simple. Jack Campbell announced his contract extension. It runs through the 2030 season. The why behind Detroit declining Campbell's fifth year option mattered. His All-Pro nod pushed that option cost to the franchise tag level for linebackers. The NFL does not separate off ball linebackers from pass rushing linebackers in that calculation. That puts Campbell in the bucket with players like Micah Parsons. That price is prohibitive for any off ball linebacker. An extension always made more sense. Final numbers were not available. The expectation was in the $16–18 million per year range, but the structure will tell the real story. The key pieces to watch: what is guaranteed at signing and how many void years get attached. Fan Reveal, Super Bowl Goal, and Campbell's Leap The news broke in a fan-forward way. Sweta Patel, a loyal Detroit Lions fan, shared the extension first with the team's blessing. Peter Schrager amplified that she indeed had it. Detroit followed with a video featuring Campbell. He smiled and set his goal out loud: the Super Bowl. The growth that led here was steady. Early on, Campbell could get flat-footed in coverage. He guessed on reads at times. Shedding blocks was inconsistent. The tape evolved. Last season he earned first team All-Pro. His missed tackle rate stood out. He was reliable. He was where he needed to be. Always around the ball. The extension validates the development. The Money Mechanics and What's Next Detroit's approach to contracts remains a strategic subplot for the NFL audience. The Lions prefer void years over traditional restructures. That creates cap flexibility today but limits the ability to restructure deals later. You cannot easily add more years if dead years already stack at the back end. The number of void years on Campbell will signal how aggressively Detroit wants to push money forward. If the deal carries only one void year, it suggests confidence. Confidence in Campbell signing another extension down the road. Confidence in handling the rest of the core without robbing future space. The draft class of 2023 sits next in line. Branch and Laporta are in contract years as second-rounders and are coming off injuries, which complicates projections. Gibbs can wait a bit longer if necessary. And Penay's next extension is not far out. It could come as early as next offseason. For the Detroit Lions, this bonus Detroit Lions Podcast episode framed the moment. Campbell is locked up. The cap chessboard is in motion. Eyes now shift to guarantees, void years, and the next signatures. #detroitlions #lions #detroitlionspodcast #jackcampbellextension #fifthyearoption #franchisetaglevel #jahmyrgibbs #lionscontracts #brianbranch #samlaporta #detroitdefense Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima react to national media reports about Myles Garrett skipping voluntary workouts and debate if the All-Pro defensive end is unhappy in Cleveland. They explore the possibility of the Browns receiving a trade offer too good to refuse while addressing the skepticism surrounding the team's quarterback room.

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What Worries Jeff If the Stars Stay Healthy The Detroit Lions enter 2026 with expectations and scars. Injuries haunted the last two seasons. That remains the existential dread. But on the Detroit Lions Podcast, Jeff set that aside for a day and asked a tougher NFL question. If the core plays most of the year, what could still go wrong? He laid out the premise. The starting secondary gets at least 12 games together. Aidan Hutchinson plays a full season. Jared Goff plays a full season. Amanra maybe misses one game. Penay maybe one. Gibbs is available most weeks. With that health, the worry shifts from luck to execution. Downfield Coverage Can Still Break Cornerback play tops the list. DJ Reed after the hamstring wasn't the same. Terrion Arnold improved, but there is room to climb. Roger McCreery arrives as a new piece. Keith Abney is a favorite pick, yet the NFL put him in the fifth round. Consensus boards loved the value. He still has to cover. Safety helps, if healthy. Kirby has a chip and something to prove. Branch comes back after Germany around Week 11 or Week 12. Chuck Clark brings veteran snaps, though there's concern he's past his prime. Thomas Harper played well last year. Monte Maddox is back. There are enough bodies to function. The issue is downfield coverage. That remains a real concern, even if the pass rush can hide some of it. Pass Rush and Front Must Gel Jeff likes the edge additions for Kelvin Shepherd's defense. DJ one of them was a smart, shrewd move. Derrick Moore should contribute. Hutch is Hutch. All-Pro. Depth and cohesion inside are the bigger questions. Aleem is a good player. Levi, if healthy, is a solid rotational piece. What does the rotation look like? Do they play without a nose tackle? The Romeo Cornell riff on the Bo Parcells front uses two three techniques and no nose. That can work with elite interior disruptors. The Lions still need to show they have that pairing. The front and linebackers must mesh as one six- or seven-man unit. There are many moving parts. Personnel and scheme both in flux. Some concern lingers that it won't click fast enough. The Interior Offensive Line Is in Flux The other major worry lives up front on offense. Cade Mays might not work. Tate Ratledge might not be that guy. Left guard is unsettled. Christian Mahogany was good early last year, then got hurt, and wasn't the same on return, similar to DJ Reed. Penay is moving to the left side. Depending on left guard, there could be four new starters across the line. Call it three and a half at minimum. Jeff is a big Blake Miller fan and doesn't worry about left tackle. But offensive lines win as a five-man unit. The Lions will face diverse fronts. Cohesion must arrive early for this Detroit Lions offense to meet the moment. #detroitlions #lions #detroitlionspodcast #peneisewell #cademays #kelvinsheppard #djwonnum #biggestfears #2026nflseason #jaredgoff #djreed #terrionarnold #injuries #detroitinjurystatus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices