Podcast appearances and mentions of shaun clowes

In this episode, Brian and Fareed discuss the challenges facing product managers in the AI era with Shaun Clowes, CPO at Confluent. Many product professionals are questioning their future as traditional PM workflows—documentation, basic prioritization, and coordination—become increasingly automated. Yet this technological shift isn't eliminating the product management function; rather, it's elevating what has always differentiated exceptional PMs from average ones. While low-value processes are being automated away, the core elements that create product success—strategic vision, judgment, taste, and leadership—are becoming dramatically more valuable.

Shaun Clowes is the chief product officer at Confluent and former CPO at Salesforce's MuleSoft and at Metromile. He was also the first head of growth at Atlassian, where he led product for Jira Agile and built the first-ever B2B growth team. In our conversation, we discuss:• Why most PMs are bad, and how to fix this• Why great AI products are all about the data• Why he changed his mind about being data-driven• How to build your B2B growth team• How to choose your next career stop• Much more—Brought to you by:• Enterpret—Transform customer feedback into product growth• BuildBetter—AI for product teams• Wix Studio—The web creation platform built for agencies—Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-great-ai-products-are-all-about-the-data-shaun-clowes—Where to find Shaun Clowes:• X: https://x.com/ShaunMClowes• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaun-clowes-80795014/• Website: https://shaunclowes.com/about-shaun• Reforge: https://www.reforge.com/profiles/shaun-clowes—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Shaun's background(05:08) The state of product management(09:33) Becoming a 10x product manager(13:23) Specific ways to leverage AI in product management(17:15) Feedback rivers(19:20) AI's impact on data management(24:35) The future of enterprise businesses with AI(35:41) Data-driven decision-making(45:50) Building effective growth teams(50:18) The evolution of product-led growth(56:16) Career insights and decision-making(01:07:45) Failure corner(01:12:32) Final thoughts and lightning round—Referenced:• Steve Blank's website: https://steveblank.com/• Getting Out of the Building. 2 Minutes to See Why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbMgWr1YVfs• OpenAI: https://openai.com/• Claude: https://claude.ai/• Sachin Rekhi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sachinrekhi/• Video: Building Your Product Intuition with Feedback Rivers: https://www.sachinrekhi.com/video-building-your-product-intuition-with-feedback-rivers• Confluent: https://www.confluent.io• Workday: https://www.workday.com/• Lenny and Friends Summit: https://lennyssummit.com/• A conversation with OpenAI's CPO Kevin Weil, Anthropic's CPO Mike Krieger, and Sarah Guo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxkvVZua28k• Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/• Salesforce: https://www.salesforce.com/• Atlassian: https://www.atlassian.com/• Jira: https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira• Ashby: https://www.ashbyhq.com/• Occam's razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor• Breaking the rules of growth: Why Shopify bans KPIs, optimizes for churn, prioritizes intuition, and builds toward a 100-year vision | Archie Abrams (VP Product, Head of Growth at Shopify): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/shopifys-growth-archie-abrams• Charlie Munger quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11903426-show-me-the-incentive-and-i-ll-show-you-the-outcome• Elena Verna on how B2B growth is changing, product-led growth, product-led sales, why you should go freemium not trial, what features to make free, and much more: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/elena-verna-on-why-every-company• The ultimate guide to product-led sales | Elena Verna: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-product-led• Metromile: https://www.metromile.com/• Tom Kennedy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kennedy-37356b2b/• Building Wiz: the fastest-growing startup in history | Raaz Herzberg (CMO and VP Product Strategy): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-wiz-raaz-herzberg• Wiz: https://www.wiz.io• Colin Powell's 40-70 rule: https://www.42courses.com/blog/home/2019/12/10/colin-powells-40-70-rule• Detroiters on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/80165019• Glean: https://www.glean.com/• Radical Candor: Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity: https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Candor-Kick-Ass-Without-Humanity/dp/1250103509• Listen: Five Simple Tools to Meet Your Everyday Parenting Challenges: https://www.amazon.com/Listen-Simple-Everyday-Parenting-Challenges/dp/0997459301• Empress Falls Canyon and abseiling: https://bmac.com.au/blue-mountains-canyoning/empress-falls-canyon-and-abseiling—Recommended books:• The Lean Startup: How Today's Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful Businesses: https://www.amazon.com/Lean-Startup-Entrepreneurs-Continuous-Innovation/dp/0307887898• Inspired: How to Create Products Customers Love: https://www.amazon.com/Inspired-Create-Products-Customers-Love/dp/0981690408—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. Get full access to Lenny's Newsletter at www.lennysnewsletter.com/subscribe

Shaun Clowes Analyzes Cognition Labs' Devin & Reddit's IPO We are joined by guest co-host Joff Redfern, Fareed Mosavat, and our guest Shaun Clowes. Today, we dive into two major stories: Devin and Reddit. Join us at UnsolicitedFeedback.co for a full summary! Devin: The Future of Programming or Just Another Tool in the Box?

Shaun Clowes Riffs on Waymo, Legos, and Process Advancement This week, Fareed welcomed co-host Joff Redfern, Principle at Menlo VC and former CPO at Atlassian and guest Shaun Clowes, CPO at Confluent and former CPO of Mulesoft at Salesforce, CPO @ Metromile, and Head of Growth @ Atlassian. This week's Deep Dive drops Wednesday and we're focused on Reddit & Cognition Lab's Devin, but our riff this week is simply a classic happy hour conversation. Fareed, Joff and Shaun cover a wide range of topics dropping some brilliant nuggets along the way. Enjoy! For a summary of their takeaways, join us at UnsolicitedFeedback.co.

Greylock Investor Mike Duboe, Reforge CEO Brian Balfour, and Mulesoft SVP of Product Shaun Clowes on developing a healthy and successful growth strategy. Growth is fundamental to a company's survival. To compete in today's crowded business environment, it is vital for founders to implement powerful strategies that drive healthy and sustainable growth. Successful growth strategies start with a methodical framework tailored to your product and target audience that will increase your user base and activation rate. This episode of Greymatter is the first in a mini-series of growth discussions featuring Greylock Investor Mike Duboe. In this discussion Reforge Founder and CEO Brian Balfour, and Metromile Chief Product Officer Shaun Clowes chat with Mike about frameworks and foundational concepts needed to develop a successful growth strategy. The three growth/product leaders discuss the skills and traits to look for in a startup's first growth hire, why growth should be a cross-functional discipline vs a set of channels or tactics, how to assess healthy vs unhealthy growth, conceptualizing loops vs funnels, and the applicability of B2C growth concepts in B2B organizations.

In today’s episode, I chatted to Shaun Clowes, the Chief Product Officer at Metromile and previous Head of Growth at Atlassian.We talked about how Atlassian measured success in the early days and their relentless focus on delivering value. We also touched on why enterprise users are more similar to their SMB counterparts than you think, Atlassian’s land and grab strategy that fueled their expansion revenue and the differences in tackling churn between B2B and B2C companies.This was one of my favorite interviews to date, I hope you enjoy the show.

Season 4 of Product to Product, a podcast for / by product people, is finally here! This season, we’re taking a deep dive into growth and giving PMs practical, sustainable, non-hacky ways to grow your product. First up—Shaun Clowes on why all PMs should be growth PMs. Whereas core PMs own parts of the product, growth PMs own KPIs and experiments. They also tend to be way more data-driven. This new distinction between core and growth PM implies that PMs aren’t as focused on growth as their orgs would like them to be, but our guest doesn’t think that’s helpful. Having worked on both sides, Shaun was the head of product growth at Atlassian before joining MetroMile as their Chief Product Officer. If you liked what you heard, show us some love by rating and reviewing us (5 stars only!) Find us oniTunes,Google Play orSpotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribinghere.

This week, we’re revisiting one of our most popular episodes of the past year, and it’s all about user onboarding. For any business to grow, user onboarding must be top of mind. It's the one thing all your users will do, and to be effective, it must evolve alongside your business. Pulled from some of our favorite onboarding conversations to date, Casey Winters, Joanna Wiebe, Scott Belsky, Samuel Hulick and Shaun Clowes share their best practices.

User activation is an important part of any growth function, but many startups fail to focus on this area. Shaun Clowes, former Head of Growth and Model at Atlassian and current Chief Product Officer at MetroMile, was tasked with building the growth function from the ground up for Atlassian's Jira product. He discusses the primary activation metrics they used and how those metrics shifted as the business scaled. Learn how to define you own activation metrics and how to create an onboarding flow that will keep users coming back to your product in this episode of BUILD.

Meaningful growth is about connecting more people to the value of your product, so they become loyal, long-term, paying customers, who share it with others. Pulled from some of our favorite growth-focused conversations to date, Andrew Chen, Shaun Clowes, Casey Winters, Gina Gotthilf, Sean Ellis and Brian Rothenberg share their best practices. Interested in getting more growth lessons? Grab a copy of our newest book, The Growth Handbook, at intercom.com/books.

For any business to grow, user onboarding must be top of mind. It's the one thing all your users will do, and to be effective, it must evolve alongside your business. Pulled from some of our favorite onboarding conversations to date, Casey Winters, Joanna Wiebe, Scott Belsky, Samuel Hulick and Shaun Clowes share their best practices.Related resources:Our book, Intercom on OnboardingThe Onboarding Starter Kit – our guide to a well crafted messaging campaignC.A.R.E. – a simple framework for user onboarding

Shaun Clowes, VP of Product Management at Metromile and former Head of Growth at Atlassian, believes meaningful growth is fundamentally a product-related exercise. In this episode, he explains why activation is an ongoing challenge, shares his most successful retention strategies, and much more.