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There's a coronavirus crisis. We thought people might need something to do in lieu of fun. And some people might need someone to yap at them as they go through this. We have a lot of cool friends. So we started a show. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated

Benjamin Wittes and Kate Klonick


    • Sep 20, 2023 LATEST EPISODE
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    Latest episodes from In Lieu of Fun

    #DogShirtTV: Sean Mirski on "We May Dominate the World"

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 20, 2023 90:09


    In the inaugural episode of #DogShirtTV: Book Talk, we discuss Sean Mirski's new book, "We May Dominate the World: Ambition, Anxiety, and the Rise of the American Colossus."Publisher's Description:What did it take for the United States to become a global superpower? The answer lies in a missing chapter of American foreign policy with stark lessons for todayThe cutthroat world of international politics has always been dominated by great powers. Yet no great power in the modern era has ever managed to achieve the kind of invulnerability that comes from being completely supreme in its own neighborhood. No great power, that is, except one—the United States.In We May Dominate the World, Sean A. Mirski tells the riveting story of how the United States became a regional hegemon in the century following the Civil War. By turns reluctant and ruthless, Americans squeezed their European rivals out of the hemisphere while landing forces on their neighbors' soil with dizzying frequency. Mirski reveals the surprising reasons behind this muscular foreign policy in a narrative full of twists, colorful characters, and original accounts of the palace coups and bloody interventions that turned the fledgling republic into a global superpower.Today, as China makes its own run at regional hegemony and nations like Russia and Iran grow more menacing, Mirski's fresh look at the rise of the American colossus offers indispensable lessons for how to meet the challenges of our own century. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Kashmir Hill on False Positives

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 25, 2022 59:41


    Wherein Kashmir Hill joins to discuss her latest article on false positives in Google's automatic screening for child sexual abuse material. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Minna Ålander on Finland, Sweden, and NATO

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 24, 2022 60:12


    Streamed live on May 20, 2022 Wherein Minna Ålander, Research Assistant at Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik, joins us to discuss Sweden, Finland, and NATO! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Mike Pesca on High Conflict and Being Horrible

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 22, 2022 59:04


    Wherein Mike Pesca joins us to discuss deescalating high conflict and how not to be a horrible person. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Where's the Lie, Matteo Carrabba?

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2022 63:16


    Wherein Matteo Carrabba plays "Where'e the Lie?" with a story about being kidnapped in Jordan. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Dan Byman on the Buffalo Shooting

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 18, 2022 61:04


    Wherein, Dan Byman—author of "Spreading Hate: The Global Rise of White Supremacist Terrorism"—joins the show to talk about the shooting in Buffalo, New York. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Cheese Night

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2022 60:12


    Wherein we begin the long project of catching up on uploading ILOF audio and thus bring you this episode from way back in May! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    The Morel of the Story

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2022 55:51


    Wherein we find out what happened on Kate and Scott's morel hunt, and we get an update on Ben's morel garden. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Scott Hershovitz Is Nasty, Brutish, & Short

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 5, 2022 59:54


    Wherein Scott Hershovitz returns to the show to talk about his funny and tender new book: Nasty, Brutish, & Short! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Kate in DC Cheese Night

    Play Episode Listen Later May 25, 2022 52:29


    Kate is in Washington.It's Cheese Night. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Sophia Yan is Not in China

    Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2022 68:33


    Wherein Sophia Yan is no longer in China and is in the greater Washington DC metropolitan area, and wherein she will be over at Chez Wittez for Scotch, she joins the show live and in person—and with a surprise friend! Will she take the hammock? Will she be in a dog shirt? Tune in to find out. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Del Harvey Talks Twitter

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2022 60:11


    Wherein Del Harvey, who worked to shape and run Twitter's content moderation policy for 13 years, joins us for a discussion of what she thinks about Elon Musk's purchase of the company and the future of online speech. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Eli Needs a Job

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2022 70:24


    Wherein Eli Sugarman joins Kate and a traveling Ben to discuss In Lieu of Employment. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Where's the Lie, Pulla?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 5, 2022 60:17


    Wherein Paula joins Ben and Genevieve, regaling us with a yarn that hopefully doesn't tie us all up in knots. Will you be able to tell if it's true? Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Kate & Scott Talk Muskman without Del Harvey

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2022 62:36


    Wherein we were supposed to be joined by the incredible Del Harvey, former VP of Trust & Safety at Twitter—where she worked for more than 13 years—to discuss what it takes to govern an online speech platform with global reach . . . but instead it's just Kate and Scott at the last minute to discuss Elon Musk's buy up of Twitter. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Two New Books!

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2022 61:43


    Wherein Ben double-scheduled today's show, inviting both Alex Finley to discuss her new book and Dan Byman to discuss his new book, we do both! Byman and Finley talk about their new books, one funny, one really not! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Jeff Kosseff is not Anonymous

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 23, 2022 60:57


    Wherein we are joined by Jeff Kosseff, associate professor of cybersecurity law at the United States Naval Academy's Cyber Science Department, to discuss anonymity's pros and cons (and hopefully, his book "The United States of Anonymous: How the First Amendment Shaped Online Speech"). Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Azmat Khan on Wartime Journalism

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 22, 2022 64:56


    Wherein we are joined by award-winning investigative journalist and Columbia Journalism professor Azmat Khan, whose frontline reporting from Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan has appeared in the New York Time's Magazine and shaped modern conflict journalism. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Special Military Operation Cheese Night

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2022 68:27


    Wherein a special military operation was conducted yesterday evening against the Russian embassy, it's time for Cheese Night! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Access & Accessibility with Blake Reid

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 15, 2022 60:42


    Wherein we are joined by Prof. Blake Reid of Colorado University Law School to discuss his clinical work on access and accessibility and his hot takes on ketchup! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    I'm Dreaming of a Seditious Conspiracy

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 13, 2022 63:09


    Wherein orange is the new black and seditious conspiracy is the new domestic terrorism, we are joined by conspiracy influencer Alan Rozenshtein to discuss how to make the most of your conspiring. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Vladislav Davidzon Burns His Russian Passport

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2022 65:53


    Wherein we are joined by the estimable Vladislav Davidzon, a Ukrainian-Russian dual national from Odessa who recently burned his Russian passport in public to protest the invasion of Ukraine. Davidzon is a nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council's Eurasia Center, based in France. Since 2018, he has served as a co-producer for a television series on the effects of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and, since 2012, also serves as the European culture correspondent for Tablet Magazine in Paris, France. While working at the magazine, he has been an investigative journalist and researcher with assignments in Russia, Ukraine, England, and Poland. In 2015, Davidzon founded the Odessa Review and served as its chief editor until July 2018. While he was with Odessa Review, Davidzon helped publish 13 quarterly issues over the course of his tenure at the magazine.His work has been featured in numerous publications, including the Wall Street Journal, World Policy Journal, the New York Observer, and the American Interest. Davidzon holds a master's degree in human rights and democratization from the European Inter-University Centre for Human Rights in Italy and earned his bachelor's degree at the City University of New York. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    @emptywheel v. @benjaminwittes

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2022 64:50


    Wherein the bout started on Twitter last week, it continues this evening on the show: Marcy Wheeler (aka @emptywheel) takes on Benjamin Wittes (aka @benjaminwittes), whom she took to task on Twitter for not reading the public record. GDF hosts the fight of the century. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Scott Hershovitz on Taylor Swift and Forgiveness

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 6, 2022 64:28


    Wherein we are joined by Prof. Scott Hershovitz to discuss Taylor Swift, the philosopher of forgiveness! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Let There Be Cheese

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2022 62:01


    Wherein Kate was on a train, Scott was trying to make a train, and Ben had COVID, a ragtag bunch of Greek Chorus youth take over the show... Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The Trump Investigation and the OLC with Pete Strzok

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2022 67:28


    Wherein Ben talks about his recent Lawfare article on the presidential clear statement rule and the investigation of Donald Trump—and about Marcy Wheeler's critique of it—and wherein Pete Strzok joins the conversation to talk about Marcy's thesis. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Nicholson Price on Humans in the Loop

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2022 63:18


    Today on the show, Prof. Nicholson Price returns to discuss his forthcoming paper with Rebecca Crootof and Margot Kaminski: Humans in the Loop! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Two Freakin' Years!

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2022 67:37


    It's our second anniversary, and it's Cheese Night! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Christine Emba Rethinks Sex

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2022 66:30


    Wherein we are joined by Washington Post opinion writer Christine Emba to discuss her new book, "Rethinking Sex: A Provocation." Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Anthony Michael Kreiss on the Kentanji Brown Jackson Hearings

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2022 59:28


    Wherein we discuss the historic Supreme Court confirmation hearings for Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson with Prof. Anthony Michael Kreiss.. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    A Conversation on Sextortion and Deep Fakes

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2022 64:03


    Wherein Kate is doing some research on deep fakes, she decides to interview Ben about sextortion. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Ancient Graffiti with Sarah Bond and Peter Keegan

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 17, 2022 56:03


    Wherein we are joined by Sarah Bond and Peter Keegan to discuss ancient graffiti! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    #YachtWatch with Alex Finley

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2022 62:50


    Wherein Alex Finley has been doing #YachtWatch on Twitter and we've all been following slack-jawed, we have her on the show to chortle about it! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Mike Pesca Has a Great Deal to Say

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 13, 2022 62:42


    Wherein Mike Pesca has a great deal to say, he joins the show to say some of it—and we end up in a conversation about a recent Gist monologue of his on cancel culture. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Paul Rosenzweig and Jonathan Rauch Drop in For Cheese Night

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 10, 2022 63:52


    Wherein it was supposed to be Cheese Night, Ben having failed to get a guest—but then Paul Rosenzweig and Jonathan Rauch show up! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Nathaniel Lubin on Facebook's Superuser Problem

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 9, 2022 62:20


    Wherein we are joined by writer and researcher Nathaniel Lubin to discuss his piece in The Atlantic on Facebook's Superuser problem. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Lila Shapiro Talks Josh Whedon

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 5, 2022 66:49


    Wherein we are joined by writer Lila Shapiro to discuss her New York Magazine cover story on Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Joss Whedon! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Amanda Tyler on Ruth Bader Ginsburg and "Justice, Justice Thou Shalt Pursue"

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 3, 2022 64:20


    Wherein we are joined by Berkeley Law Professor Amanda Tyler to discuss her book co-authored with Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg: "Justice, Justice Thou Shalt Pursue." Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Doug Melamed Talks Antitrust

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2022 62:19


    Wherein we are joined by Stanford Law Professor Douglas Melamed to discuss antitrust and interoperability! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Constanze Stelzenmüller on WTF German Foreign Policy

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 26, 2022 63:54


    Wherein we are joined by Brookings Foreign Policy scholar Constanze Stelzenmüller to discuss Germany's hypercautious policy towards Russia. Constanze Stelzenmüller is an expert on German, European, and trans-Atlantic foreign and security policy and strategy. She is the inaugural holder of the Fritz Stern Chair on Germany and trans-Atlantic Relations in the Center on the United States and Europe at Brookings. From March 2020 to December 2020, she was a senior fellow in the Center on the United States and Europe. She held the Kissinger Chair on Foreign Policy and International Relations at the Library of Congress from October 2019 to March 2020. She served as the inaugural Robert Bosch Senior Fellow at Brookings from 2014 to 2019. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg on the History of Antisemitism

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 24, 2022 64:16


    Wherein we are joined by Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg, Scholar in Residence at the National Council of Jewish Women. Rabbi Ruttenberg is the author of eight books, most recently the forthcoming "On Repentance and Repair: Making Amends in an Unapologetic World." Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Tim Miller and Toomas Ilves Talk Putin, Ukraine, and Republicans

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 22, 2022 61:31


    The former Estonian president and the former Republican talk about Russia-Ukraine tensions and the coming war. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Cheese Night with Babies!

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2022 61:38


    Cheese! Babies! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Alex Stamos on Ukraine and Cybersecurity

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2022 63:36


    Wherein Stanford Internet Observatory's Alex Stamos returns to discuss why Russia-Ukraine conflict has put the cybersecurity world at "DEFCON 2." Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Valentine's Day!

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2022 63:51


    Wherein Jon Shea returns for the Valentine's Day episode! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Where's the § 1001 Violation, Mike Chase?

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2022 66:46


    Wherein Mike Chase, aka @CrimeADay, plays "Where's the Lie?" He spins a yarn, and we get to figure out if he's full of grated cottage cheese! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Canadians Truckers Take Over the Show

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 10, 2022 63:06


    Wherein Canadians overrun In Lieu of Fun in a fashion not seen since the War of 1812. Eve Gaumond guest hosts. Alicia Wanless returns to talk truckers and ideology. And we are joined by Glen McGregor, senior political correspondent for CTV news in Ottawa. Genevieve and Ben try to prevent the White House from being burned down in the invasion. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Dan Drezner Talks Deterrence and Russia

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2022 61:43


    Wherein we are joined by Dan Drezner of the Fletcher School to talk about deterring Russia: Is it possible and how can it be done? Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Tom Wheeler's Triumphant Return

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 5, 2022 68:30


    Wherein we discuss the nation-state war over internet control with the former Chair of the FCC. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Catherine Rampell on the State of the Economy

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 3, 2022 65:38


    Wherein we are joined by Catherine Rampell of the Washington Post to discuss whether the economy is doing well or badly. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Burst Pipe Tales

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 2, 2022 61:09


    Wherein, Ben having failed to get us a guest, we swap stories about pipes bursting, freezing, and leaking. There is blood. There are naked people emerging from showers with soap in their hair. There is shit-shoveling. It's a hell of a night. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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