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Outside the Trenches is a new Chiefs’ podcast made specifically for Chiefs Kingdom. Hosted by two Super Bowl Champions in former Chiefs Reporter BJ Kissel and six-year NFL veteran Nick Leckey, the show will break down all the relevant storylines and observations from the previous game and chronicle the journey as the team looks to RUN IT BACK! The show is presented by Jack Stack BBQ and produced by Let it Fly Media.

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    • Jun 3, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
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    4.6 from 326 ratings Listeners of Outside the Trenches that love the show mention: chiefs podcast, best chiefs, bj, kc, excited, guys, work, new, great, fun, show, love, good.


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    The Outside the Trenches podcast is a must-listen for any Kansas City Chiefs fan. This dynamic trio, comprised of Hollywood, the renaissance man, and the duck wrangler, brings a refreshing and entertaining perspective to Chiefs content. Their chemistry is undeniable, making each episode a joy to listen to. Unlike other Chiefs podcasts that can feel awkward or forced, these guys have truly found their groove and provide great entertainment.

    One of the best aspects of this podcast is the honesty and intelligence in their analysis. They aren't straight homers, but they also don't shy away from criticizing when necessary. Their takes are well-thought-out and backed up by knowledge of the game. It's refreshing to hear such genuine and informed perspectives on my favorite franchise.

    Additionally, I appreciate that they touch on all major points in each episode. The hosts do a great job of providing an overview of what will be discussed and even include time stamps for easy navigation. This attention to detail shows their commitment to providing quality content and ensuring their listeners can easily find the information they're looking for.

    However, there are some downsides to this podcast that need improvement. One issue is the sound quality, which has seen a significant drop recently. It's unclear if it's a production or equipment problem, but it definitely needs to be fixed as soon as possible. Good sound quality greatly enhances the listening experience and ensures that every word can be heard clearly.

    In conclusion, The Outside the Trenches podcast is hands down one of the best Chiefs podcasts out there. The hosts' chemistry, honest takes, and comprehensive coverage make it a must-listen for any fan of the franchise. Despite some minor issues like sound quality, this podcast delivers high-quality content that keeps fans entertained while keeping them informed about their favorite team. I'm excited about their transition to KCSN and look forward to following them wherever they go because they truly deserve all the success they're achieving.



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    Latest episodes from Outside the Trenches

    Only Weird Games 6/3: Two Chiefs UDFAs that could have a potential impact in 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 3, 2025 70:57


    Nate Taylor, Seth Keysor, and Joshua Brisco break down the latest news and rumors surrounding the new Arrowhead Stadium. Later they discuss Seth's breakdown of Jake Briningstool and Elijhah Badger. —

    KC Laboratory 6/2: The Chiefs might have the deepest linebacker room in the NFL

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 3, 2025 52:02


    Kent Swanson and Craig Stout break down the Kansas City Chiefs linebacker room heading into the 2025 season. Before that, they discuss some lessons they learned from KC's Week 9 game against the Buccaneers. —

    21 Questions 6/2: Biggest Chiefs wish in 2025, Patrick Mahomes production predictions, & discontinued food items

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 2, 2025 53:38


    Joshua Brisco and Kent Swanson answer questions from the KCSN community about football and frivolities during the NFL offseason. Want to ask questions? Subscribe to the KCSN Chiefs Newsletter for access to the KCSN Discord community. —

    That Football Show 5/30: Joshua Simmons' early recovery gives the Chiefs a real battle for left tackle

    Play Episode Listen Later May 30, 2025 72:16


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin discuss the latest injury developments coming from the Chiefs' first week of OTAs, react to the biggest NFL headlines, and power rank candy. —

    Only Weird Games 5/29: The Chiefs defense loses a big contributor but is it better?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 29, 2025 64:00


    Nate Taylor, Seth Keysor, and Joshua Brisco take a look at the Chiefs' defensive roster so far and discuss how it can be better than last year's team. —

    KC Laboratory 5/28: The Chiefs need to find an answer at left tackle in 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later May 29, 2025 45:42


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane break down the Kansas City Chiefs offensive tackle room heading into the 2025 season and discuss some lessons they learned from Week 7's game against the 49ers. —

    That Football Show 5/28: Which Chiefs player has the most pressure on them in 2025?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 28, 2025 53:52


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin react to the recent news around the NFL before discussing which Chiefs player has the most pressure on them heading into the 2025 season. —

    Only Weird Games 5/27: How the Chiefs could be better offensively in 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later May 27, 2025 65:01


    Nate Taylor, Seth Keysor, and Joshua Brisco take a look at the Chiefs offensive roster so far and discuss how it can be better than last year's team. —

    KC Laboratory 5/26: The Chiefs need to give Chris Jones more help in 2025!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 27, 2025 52:12


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane break down the Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle room heading into the 2025 season and discuss some lessons they learned from Week 14's game against the Chargers. —

    21 Questions 5/26: How many teams can realistically win the Super Bowl?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 26, 2025 50:22


    BJ Kissel and Tucker Franklin answer questions from the KCSN community about football and frivolities during the NFL offseason. Want to ask questions? Subscribe to the KCSN Chiefs Newsletter for access to the KCSN Discord community. —

    That Football Show 5/23: What makes this year different for the Chiefs' biggest threats?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2025 56:12


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin take a look at the Chiefs' biggest contenders for the AFC and ask what makes this year different for them. Later, they power rank their favorite sodas. —

    Only Weird Games 5/22: Where did the Chiefs' deep passing attack go in 2024?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2025 62:08


    Seth Keysor and Joshua Brisco break down the Chiefs' deep passing attack in 2024 and try and figure out what went wrong and how it can be fixed. —

    KC Laboratory 5/21: This could be a huge year for the Chiefs wide receiver room

    Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2025 55:27


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane break down the Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver room heading into the 2025 season and discuss some lessons they learned from Week 3's game against the Falcons. —

    That Football Show 5/21: There was never a real reason for the NFL to ban the tush push

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2025 45:29


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin discuss the biggest changes to the NFL rules in 2025 including the Lions withdrawing their playoff seeding proposal, give their thoughts on why the NFL shouldn't ban the tush push, and the inclusion of NFL players in the 2028 Olympics. NOTE: This was recorded prior to the official announcement the tush push would not be banned in 2025 —

    Only Weird Games 5/20: The NFL is about to make a HUGE mistake

    Play Episode Listen Later May 20, 2025 56:23


    Nate Taylor and Joshua Brisco discuss the pending rule changes for the NFL and how they impact the Chiefs. Later, Nate gives his final thoughts on the Chiefs schedule. —

    KC Laboratory 5/19: What the Chiefs defensive end room needs in 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later May 20, 2025 61:11


    Matt Lane and Tucker Franklin break down the Kansas City Chiefs defensive end room heading into the 2025 season. Before that, they discuss some lessons they learned from the Super Bowl. —

    21 Questions 5/19: NFL "Could've Beens," Favorite Chiefs UDFA, and 2026 NFL Draft prospects with ESPN's Matt Miller

    Play Episode Listen Later May 19, 2025 44:24


    ESPN's Matt Miller and Tucker Franklin answer questions from the KCSN community about football and frivolities during the NFL offseason. Want to ask questions? Subscribe to the KCSN Chiefs Newsletter for access to the KCSN Discord community. —

    That Football Show 5/16: How the Chiefs schedule sets up perfectly for a late-season run

    Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2025 61:01


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin give their thoughts on the Chiefs 2025 schedule, take a look at some early lines and win totals, discuss the ESPN story on Caleb Williams and the Bears, and much more. —

    Only Weird Games 5/15: The Chiefs are America's Team, like it or not

    Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2025 59:07


    Nate Taylor, Seth Keysor, and Joshua Brisco break down the Chiefs' 2025 schedule, give their thoughts on the matchups and discuss how Kansas City has become America's Team. —

    KC Laboratory 5/14: Predicting every game on the Chiefs' 2025 NFL Schedule

    Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2025 51:13


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane break down the Kansas City Chiefs 2025 schedule and predict every game on this year's slate. —

    That Football Show 5/14: The NFL is making everyone hate the Chiefs

    Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2025 51:40


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin react to the NFL putting the Chiefs on every holiday, the slow release of the schedule, and give their thoughts on what we know so far from the NFL schedule. —

    Only Weird Games 5/13: Did the Chiefs defense find another stud in the draft?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2025 54:18


    KC Laboratory 5/12: The Chiefs need a big year from Isiah Pacheco in 2025!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2025 47:49


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane break down the Kansas City Chiefs' running back room heading into the 2025 season. —

    21 Questions 5/12: Is Brett Veach a top 5 NFL GM?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 12, 2025 50:18


    Matt Lane and Tucker Franklin answer questions from the KCSN community about football and frivolities during the NFL offseason. Want to ask questions? Subscribe to the KCSN Chiefs Newsletter for access to the KCSN Discord community. —

    That Football Show 5/9: Does the Chiefs roster need anything else before training camp?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 9, 2025 63:52


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin discuss what the Chiefs roster still might need heading into free agency, give their thoughts on the George Pickens trade, and power rank numbers that shouldn't be retired. —

    Only Weird Games 5/8: Did the Chiefs find another seventh-round sleeper?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2025 64:30


    Nate Taylor, Seth Keysor, and Joshua Brisco break down the film of Brashard Smith and discuss the latest stories from Chiefs mini camp. —

    KC Laboratory 5/7: PFF's Trevor Sikkema breaks down the Chiefs 2025 Draft Class and roster

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2025 45:17


    PFF's Trevor Sikkema joins Matt Lane to give his thoughts on the Chiefs 2025 draft class and break down the roster heading into the 2025 season. —

    That Football Show 5/7: NFL experts keep making this mistake with the Chiefs!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2025 47:27


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin destroy the yearly national narrative that the Chargers will win the AFC West, discuss new rookie numbers, and why retired numbers should stay retired. —

    Only Weird Games 5/6: Nohl Williams is exactly what the Chiefs needed on defense!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 6, 2025 54:17


    Seth Keysor and Joshua Brisco break down Chiefs rookie CB Nohl Williams film and discuss the state of the defense heading into the 2025 season. —

    KC Laboratory 5/5: Which Rookies Will Start for the Chiefs?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 6, 2025 54:49


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane break down the expected roles this season for the Chiefs rookies and discuss which ones might have the biggest impact on the season. —

    21 Questions 5/5: Biggest rookie impacts, potential training camp battles, and unlikely player comps

    Play Episode Listen Later May 5, 2025 58:33


    Tucker Franklin and Joshua Brisco answer questions from the KCSN community about football and frivolities after the NFL Draft. Want to ask questions? Subscribe to the KCSN Chiefs Newsletter for access to the KCSN Discord community. —

    That Football Show 5/2: How the Chiefs separated themselves from the AFC contenders in the 2025 NFL Draft

    Play Episode Listen Later May 2, 2025 63:11


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin look at the other drafts from AFC contenders and discuss how the Chiefs separated themselves from the rest of the pack. —

    Only Weird Games 5/1: This Chiefs pick could make the biggest impact on Day 1!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2025 67:53


    Nate Taylor, Seth Keysor and Joshua Brisco break down the Chiefs' 3rd and 4th round picks and how they could impact the team on Day 1. —

    KC Laboratory 4/30: What Omarr Norman-Lott brings to the Chiefs defensive line

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2025 58:57


    Kent Swanson, Matt Lane, and Matt Hamilton break down the Chiefs second-round pick Omarr Norman-Lott and discuss what he brings to the Chiefs defensive line in his first year. —

    That Football Show 4/30: The Chiefs take a massive risk in the first round, but it might be worth it

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2025 38:35


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin discuss the Chiefs draft, their hesitancies around their first-round pick, and other big storylines coming out of the 2025 NFL Draft. —

    Only Weird Games 4/29: Brett Veach does it AGAIN! The Chiefs NAIL the 2025 NFL Draft

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 29, 2025 71:18


    Seth Keysor and Joshua Brisco give their thoughts on the Kansas City Chiefs 2025 NFL Draft class and discuss their favorite picks from the draft. —

    Recapping EVERY Chiefs Pick in the 2025 NFL Draft! | KCSN Draft Show 4/27

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2025 46:07


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane recap all seven selections by the Kansas City Chiefs in the 2025 NFL Draft from the beautiful Holladay Distillery in Weston, MO. —

    BREAKING: Chiefs TRADE UP in the 7th Round to Select SMU RB Brashard Smith | KCSN Draft Show 4/26

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2025 20:36


    The Kansas City Chiefs traded up in the 7th round of the 2025 NFL Draft to select SMU RB Brashard Smith.Kent Swanson and Matty Lane break down the move on the latest episode of the KCSN Draft Show - LIVE from Holladay Distillery in Weston, Missouri.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    BREAKING: Chiefs TRADE UP in the 5th Round to Select Oregon LB Jeffery Bassa | KCSN Draft Show 4/26

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2025 21:05


    The Kansas City Chiefs traded up in the 5th round and selected Oregon LB Jeffery Bassa.Kent Swanson and Matty Lane break down the move on the latest episode of the KCSN Draft Show - LIVE from Holladay Distillery in Weston, Missouri.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    BREAKING: Chiefs Select Utah State WR Jalen Royals in the 4th Round | KCSN Draft Show 4/26

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2025 22:24


    The Kansas City Chiefs selected Utah State WR Jalen Royals in the 4th round of the 2025 NFL Draft. Kent Swanson and Matty Lane break down the move on the latest episode of the KCSN Draft Show - LIVE from Holladay Distillery in Weston, Missouri.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    BREAKING: Chiefs TRADE UP for Cal CB Nohl Williams in Round 3 | KCSN Draft Show 4/25

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2025 22:56


    The Kansas City Chiefs traded up in the 3rd round of the 2025 NFL Draft and selected California CB Nohl WilliamsKent Swanson and Matty Lane break down the move on the latest episode of the KCSN Draft Show - LIVE from Holladay Distillery in Weston, Missouri. —

    BREAKING: Chiefs Select DT Omar Norman-Lott at No. 63 and DE Aston Gillotte at No. 66 | KCSN Draft Show 4/25

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2025 34:30


    The Kansas City Chiefs selected two defensive linemen to end the 2nd round and begin the 3rd round of the 2025 NFL Draft.Kent Swanson and Matty Lane break down the move on the latest episode of the KCSN Draft Show - LIVE from Holladay Distillery in Weston, Missouri.  —

    BEST Players Available in Day 2 of the 2025 NFL Draft | KCSN Draft Show 4/24

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 25, 2025 33:01


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane preview day two of the 2025 NFL Draft, possible picks for the Kansas City Chiefs, whether or not the Chiefs may try to trade up and more!—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    BREAKING: Chiefs TRADE BACK for Ohio State OT Josh Simmons in 1st Round | KCSN Draft Show 4/24

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 25, 2025 30:22


    The Kansas City Chiefs traded back in the first round with the Philadelphia Eagles to select Ohio State OT Joshua Simmons.Kent Swanson and Matty Lane break down the move on the latest episode of the KCSN Draft Show - LIVE from Holladay Distillery in Weston, Missouri.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    KC Laboratory 4/23: Breaking down the latest Chiefs buzz before the 2025 NFL Draft

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2025 50:42


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane give one final look at the latest rumors, news, and predictions around the 2025 NFL Draft before it kicks off tomorrow.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    That Football Show 4/23: The Chiefs shouldn't overthink their first-round pick

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 23, 2025 70:25


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin give a comprehensive breakdown of the latest 2025 NFL Draft rumors prior to the first round on Thursday.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    Only Weird Games 4/22: The Chiefs need answers at these major positions in the 2025 NFL Draft

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 23, 2025 78:02


    Seth Keysor and Joshua Brisco take one more look at some draft crushes before putting their bow on the Chiefs' pre-draft process.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    KC Laboratory 4/21: Predicting EVERY First-Round Pick in the 2025 NFL Draft!

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 22, 2025 67:14


    Kent Swanson and Matt Lane do a FULL round one mock draft before the 2025 NFL Draft kicks off on Thursday.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    KCSN Draft Show 4/21: RGR Football's Ryan Tracy breaks down the linebacker and safety classes in the 2025 NFL Draft

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 21, 2025 40:10


    RGR Football's Ryan Tracy joins Kent Swanson to break down the linebacker and safety classes in the 2025 NFL Draft.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft—Get the 2025 Athletic Matrix here: https://www.rogueapc.com/store/p19/2025Matrix.html  —

    21 Questions 4/20: Chiefs draft crushes, Day 1 expectations, and Tier 1 CBAT revealed!

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 20, 2025 59:42


    Craig Stout and Kent Swanson answer questions from the KCSN community about football and frivolities before the NFL Draft. Want to ask questions? Subscribe to the KCSN Chiefs Newsletter for access to the KCSN Discord community.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

    That Football Show 4/19: How the AFC looks heading into the 2025 NFL Draft

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 19, 2025 61:17


    Matt Verderame and Tucker Franklin take a look at the AFC heading into the 2025 NFL Draft, discuss the absurdity around the Aaron Rodgers situation, and power rank the worst people they know.—Donate to the All-Juice Draft Workshop Raffle in memory of Terez Paylor here! https://givebutter.com/kcsndraft —

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