with Andrew Fillipponi and Chris Mueller

The Steelers have a critical game in Baltimore to decide the AFC North lead on Sunday. But some fans would rather see them lose out. Also, A new WR weapon for Rodgers and what's wrong with this team?

The Other Side: Jeremy Conn joins to talk the Ravens side of the ball ahead of the Steelers-Ravens matchup this Sunday.

Steelers fans call in to talk about Steelers potentially losing to the Ravens and if they should be rooting for that.

Mark Kaboly from the Pat McAfee show joins the PM Team to talk Steelers, Mike Tomlin, and Callas' rap.

Bryant McFadden joins the show to talk about Mike Tomlin, the loss against the Buffalo Bills, and if it is time for a change in Pittsburgh.

Penn State seemingly has their next head coach in Matt Campbell. Poni says this is the best possible outcome for the Nittany Lions. Mullsy brings up all of the names that Penn State was linked to and it seems like Campbell was one of the later options. Campbell does not have that great of a record but they had an okay track record under Campbell.

Do Steelers fans want the Steelers to win on Sunday? Poni says he does not want the Steelers to win against the Ravens to get false hope. He says he does not want the charade to continue and is now rooting for 8-9. Mullsy agrees and they both have had people reach out to them to say they want the Steelers to lose.

Austin's Answers – What did Teryl Austin say to the media earlier today? Steelers insider Ray Fittipaldo from the PG joined the show. Ray said the final 5 games matter a lot in the future of Mike Tomlin, but it would take them losing almost all of them for Ray to put the percentage at like 30% of Tomlin being let go. What has better chances – Aaron Rodgers back at QB or Marcus Freeman as the new head coach? Ray isn't sure how much we see of Adam Thielen on Sunday, but doesn't think it would take all that much juggling. Ray said Roman Wilson and Ben Skowronek would see less playing time if Thielen cracks the lineup. Ray is one of the many that are curious as to why Jonnu Smith still gets more snaps than Pat Freiermuth. Poni asked Ray about the failed attempts of building the receiving corps in the last few seasons. Ray gave a little look at the injury report as of today. How bad of a signing was Darius Slay? Ray thinks it is simple for Will Howard seeing game action this season – injuries to both Rodgers and Mason Rudolph. The only caveat could be the team completely falling out of the playoff picture. Ray can't bring himself to picking the Steelers on Sunday. Total Request Thursday.

Smith's Sayings – What did Arthur Smith say to the media earlier today? Steve Palazzolo from the 33rd Team joined the show. Steve isn't sure if Steelers fans should be ‘excited' about Adam Thielen, but he can do some things the Steelers haven't gotten all season in terms of simplicity. He thinks Thielen can do things underneath on pass plays that would probably help them. Steve said DK Metcalf has never been a great all-around receiver, so he always needs a complementary piece with him. Steve doesn't understand why Pat Freiermuth has been neglected in this offense. Poni asked if the Arthur Smith offense is broken, but Steve said they aren't alone. Steve thought the Darius Slay signing was a good one when it happened. Steve said Derrick Harmon has been pretty good, just dinged up this season. He thinks it's frustrating to watch a team with 3 good edge rushers not do anything very creative in their blitzes. Steve thinks the Ravens win a close game against the Steelers on Sunday. Donny Football Debrief – We heard some of the highlights of Donny's interview with former Steeler Breiden Fehoko.

Asante Samuel Sr. called out DK Metcalf for some of the Steelers issues. The big-name WR isn't living up to it in his first year wearing black & gold. Has Metcalf skated by this season because the Steelers have bigger issues? Poni thinks Metcalf should be getting way more flack for his bad year. He has just one 100-yard game this season and usually doesn't exceed 50 in a game. Are the Steelers having buyer's remorse on the Metcalf deal? KDKA TV's Bob Pompeani joined the show. Bob was emceeing the Riverhounds championship celebration today, the lone team to bring a title to the city in this decade. Bob reminded us that he wanted the Steelers to keep George Pickens around, which isn't helping the fact that DK Metcalf is having a career-worst season. Bob agreed that this game doesn't have its usual juice because the fanbases have a lot of self-loathing going on. Bob thinks the Steelers are going to win a 3-point game in Baltimore. Power Rankings – Top 7 teams in the AFC.

Ryan Clark said Mike Tomlin is one of the greatest coaches of all-time. Is it that ridiculous of a statement? It's fair to acknowledge that Tomlin fell into a great situation, but he also took advantage of it. Poni pointed out that Tomlin will soon rank among the Top 10 in NFL history. Probably not the best time to reach that accolade, but here we are. Clark also said the Steelers should not fire Tomlin, but they should find some way to move apart. Do fans view Mike Tomlin as an all-time great coach? College Football Minute – Where did the local programs rank in their recruiting class after National Signing Day? Penn State is ahead of just 1 FBS team (New Mexico State).

Steelers insider Ray Fittipaldo from the PG joined the show. Ray said the final 5 games matter a lot in the future of Mike Tomlin, but it would take them losing almost all of them for Ray to put the percentage at like 30% of Tomlin being let go. What has better chances – Aaron Rodgers back at QB or Marcus Freeman as the new head coach? Ray isn't sure how much we see of Adam Thielen on Sunday, but doesn't think it would take all that much juggling. Ray said Roman Wilson and Ben Skowronek would see less playing time if Thielen cracks the lineup. Ray is one of the many that are curious as to why Jonnu Smith still gets more snaps than Pat Freiermuth. Poni asked Ray about the failed attempts of building the receiving corps in the last few seasons. Ray gave a little look at the injury report as of today. How bad of a signing was Darius Slay? Ray thinks it is simple for Will Howard seeing game action this season – injuries to both Rodgers and Mason Rudolph. The only caveat could be the team completely falling out of the playoff picture. Ray can't bring himself to picking the Steelers on Sunday.

Steve Palazzolo from the 33rd Team joined the show. Steve isn't sure if Steelers fans should be ‘excited' about Adam Thielen, but he can do some things the Steelers haven't gotten all season in terms of simplicity. He thinks Thielen can do things underneath on pass plays that would probably help them. Steve said DK Metcalf has never been a great all-around receiver, so he always needs a complementary piece with him. Steve doesn't understand why Pat Freiermuth has been neglected in this offense. Poni asked if the Arthur Smith offense is broken, but Steve said they aren't alone. Steve thought the Darius Slay signing was a good one when it happened. Steve said Derrick Harmon has been pretty good, just dinged up this season. He thinks it's frustrating to watch a team with 3 good edge rushers not do anything very creative in their blitzes. Steve thinks the Ravens win a close game against the Steelers on Sunday.

Asante Samuel Sr. called out DK Metcalf for some of the Steelers issues. The big-name WR isn't living up to it in his first year wearing black & gold. Has Metcalf skated by this season because the Steelers have bigger issues? Poni thinks Metcalf should be getting way more flack for his bad year. He has just one 100-yard game this season and usually doesn't exceed 50 in a game. Are the Steelers having buyer's remorse on the Metcalf deal?

College Football Minute – Where did the local programs rank in their recruiting class after National Signing Day? Penn State is ahead of just 1 FBS team (New Mexico State).

Ryan Clark said Mike Tomlin is one of the greatest coaches of all-time. Is it that ridiculous of a statement? It's fair to acknowledge that Tomlin fell into a great situation, but he also took advantage of it. Poni pointed out that Tomlin will soon rank among the Top 10 in NFL history. Probably not the best time to reach that accolade, but here we are. Clark also said the Steelers should not fire Tomlin, but they should find some way to move apart.

Was Aaron Rodgers a bad signing by the Steelers? His numbers are almost identical to what Russell Wilson did last season. By the way, that team started 10-2 and this one is 6-6. The guys said it's all about how it ends, sighting how poorly last season concluded. Which guy was better? 93.7 The Fan Sports Director Jeff Hathhorn joined the show. Jeff talked about TJ Watt no-showing in a game against a pair of backup tackles. When will the Steelers start to use their TEs? Jeff doesn't understand why Pat Freiermuth is being frozen out of this offense, but credits him a ton for taking the high-road in chats with the media. The guys noted how Jonnu Smith wasn't brought up by Aaron Rodgers today in his media session. What happened with the Darius Slay breakup? Jeff talked about what Adam Thielen looked like on his first day, but isn't sure whose spot he takes in the lineup. Jeff doesn't think Marquez Valdes-Scantling has gotten much of a true opportunity to show what he has left. Ravens 28, Steelers 17 is Jeff's prediction for Sunday in Baltimore. Judge Donny – Should the Steelers move on from Pat Freiermuth at the end of the season?

Rodgers Rebuttals – What did Aaron Rodgers say to the media earlier today? ALL ACCESS w/ Aditi – Aditi said she is ‘flummoxed' by the Steelers not using Pat Freiermuth in their offense. Aditi talked about the chemistry Aaron Rodgers had with Davante Adams in all of their success in Green Bay. Aditi, like Mike Florio, said something feels a little bit different with the Steelers and Mike Tomlin this year in terms of a breakup. Aditi doesn't see Tomlin jumping from the NFL to the college level. Aditi thinks the Ravens automatically have the advantage on Sunday because of Lamar Jackson, who she said is still one of the league's best players. Donny Football Debrief – A big-time flip on National Signing Day with a local prospect. Has today lost its luster due to the freedoms of college athletics?

Jeff Brohm is the latest college football coach to stay put instead of going to Happy Valley to become the HC at Penn State. Something else Ben Roethlisberger suggested was Mike Tomlin going to Penn State. After Tomlin was asked about coaching at the college level a few years ago, we can say pretty confidently that this won't happen. Would Tomlin want to do everything that is required to be a college coach? The guys questioned if Tomlin would be as good at recruiting as everyone assumes. James Franklin happily trolled Penn State on X after pulling in a pretty good first recruiting class at Virginia Tech. We are enjoying the fall from grace in real time from State College. In how many years with Ben Roethlisberger did Mike Tomlin make a ‘deep' run in the playoffs? Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk joined the show. Mike said something just feels different this time with the Steelers in regards to Mike Tomlin being back next season. He referenced the times changing a bit and them going about their business differently the last few years in the off-season. Mike said the Steelers are stuck in a rut with a lot of people making a lot of money. Mike thinks Art Rooney II will sit back on this until he starts noticing more and more empty seats in the stadium because that means dollars lost. He said if he was a season-ticket holder, he would not attend the next home game (MNF 12/15 vs MIA) if they lose in an ugly way to the Ravens on Sunday. Mike thinks it's a complicated reality with coaches thinking about the greener pastures that could be out there. Could Mike see Penn State making a play for Tomlin? Mike talked about the current cycle of coaches in the NFL and another reason why Tomlin might be the hottest candidate out there if he and the Steelers move on. Mike said we don't know for sure that the Giants are interested, but there is some dot-connecting being done.

Ben Roethlisberger is now on-board with Mike Tomlin moving on. He suggested the Steelers ‘clean house' with the coaching staff. Are you starting to think this is actually possible, with more and more voices starting to bring up a topic they've long been so afraid of? That not only includes national voices, but people who have covered the team for years and never thought things would reach this point. The Fan vs The Fans. Former Penguin Tyler Kennedy joined the show. If the playoffs started today, the Penguins would be in – and TK believes they will make it by season's end. He brought up a weak division and the fact that the Penguins don't look like a team running on smoke & mirrors. Tyler said he doesn't care what Tristan Jarry does in the regular season because it only matters how he performs in the big games and in the playoffs. TK told the guys he continually hears great things about Dan Muse and the new voice leading the team. TK thinks the players have responded so well to the change at the top. Tyler thinks Sidney Crosby will reach 40 goals this season.

93.7 The Fan Sports Director Jeff Hathhorn joined the show. Jeff talked about TJ Watt no-showing in a game against a pair of backup tackles. When will the Steelers start to use their TEs? Jeff doesn't understand why Pat Freiermuth is being frozen out of this offense, but credits him a ton for taking the high-road in chats with the media. The guys noted how Jonnu Smith wasn't brought up by Aaron Rodgers today in his media session. What happened with the Darius Slay breakup? Jeff talked about what Adam Thielen looked like on his first day, but isn't sure whose spot he takes in the lineup. Jeff doesn't think Marquez Valdes-Scantling has gotten much of a true opportunity to show what he has left. Ravens 28, Steelers 17 is Jeff's prediction for Sunday in Baltimore.

Was Aaron Rodgers a bad signing by the Steelers? His numbers are almost identical to what Russell Wilson did last season. By the way, that team started 10-2 and this one is 6-6. The guys said it's all about how it ends, sighting how poorly last season concluded. Which guy was better?

ALL ACCESS w/ Aditi – Aditi said she is ‘flummoxed' by the Steelers not using Pat Freiermuth in their offense. Aditi talked about the chemistry Aaron Rodgers had with Davante Adams in all of their success in Green Bay. Aditi, like Mike Florio, said something feels a little bit different with the Steelers and Mike Tomlin this year in terms of a breakup. Aditi doesn't see Tomlin jumping from the NFL to the college level. Aditi thinks the Ravens automatically have the advantage on Sunday because of Lamar Jackson, who she said is still one of the league's best players.

Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk joined the show. Mike said something just feels different this time with the Steelers in regards to Mike Tomlin being back next season. He referenced the times changing a bit and them going about their business differently the last few years in the off-season. Mike said the Steelers are stuck in a rut with a lot of people making a lot of money. Mike thinks Art Rooney II will sit back on this until he starts noticing more and more empty seats in the stadium because that means dollars lost. He said if he was a season-ticket holder, he would not attend the next home game (MNF 12/15 vs MIA) if they lose in an ugly way to the Ravens on Sunday. Mike thinks it's a complicated reality with coaches thinking about the greener pastures that could be out there. Could Mike see Penn State making a play for Tomlin? Mike talked about the current cycle of coaches in the NFL and another reason why Tomlin might be the hottest candidate out there if he and the Steelers move on. Mike said we don't know for sure that the Giants are interested, but there is some dot-connecting being done.

Something else Ben Roethlisberger suggested was Mike Tomlin going to Penn State. After Tomlin was asked about coaching at the college level a few years ago, we can say pretty confidently that this won't happen. Would Tomlin want to do everything that is required to be a college coach? The guys questioned if Tomlin would be as good at recruiting as everyone assumes. James Franklin happily trolled Penn State on X after pulling in a pretty good first recruiting class at Virginia Tech. We are enjoying the fall from grace in real time from State College.

Former Penguin Tyler Kennedy joined the show. If the playoffs started today, the Penguins would be in – and TK believes they will make it by season's end. He brought up a weak division and the fact that the Penguins don't look like a team running on smoke & mirrors. Tyler said he doesn't care what Tristan Jarry does in the regular season because it only matters how he performs in the big games and in the playoffs. TK told the guys he continually hears great things about Dan Muse and the new voice leading the team. TK thinks the players have responded so well to the change at the top. Tyler thinks Sidney Crosby will reach 40 goals this season.

Ben Roethlisberger is now on-board with Mike Tomlin moving on. He suggested the Steelers ‘clean house' with the coaching staff. Are you starting to think this is actually possible, with more and more voices starting to bring up a topic they've long been so afraid of? That not only includes national voices, but people who have covered the team for years and never thought things would reach this point.

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Tomlin Takes – What else did Mike Tomlin say to the media earlier today? A run through of the Steelers attempts at fixing the WR2. Name Game.

BREAKING: The Steelers have waived Darius Slay. Another big-name free agent turned disaster. A $10M deal down the tubes – a very Pirates-esque move. We talked about how the fans were right on this one and it felt like the Steelers trying to tell all of us that we were wrong. More BREAKING news: The Steelers claimed Adam Thielen off waivers. We continued to react to the breaking Steelers news in the last 30ish minutes – cutting Darius Slay and signing Adam Thielen. Donny Football Debrief – Who were some of the funny Steelers free agent signings in recent years? And another Penn State candidate appears to be off the board. How many options do they have left?

If we were the owner of the Steelers – if we were Art Rooney II, would we fire Mike Tomlin at the end of the season? Assuming the train is set for the same destination as the last near-decade, we all said Yes. Mike said today that he doesn't care where good ideas come from, but then why are the assistant coaches so poor? The guys went through some of the assistants and coordinators over the years under Tomlin. How many of those names would we give a passing grade to? People are having a tough time remembering what Bill Cowher was able to accomplish with pretty lackluster QBs. And don't look now because things in the 1980's weren't as bad as they are now as Steelers fans. Tomlin Tidbit – Why aren't the Steelers using Pat Freiermuth in the offense? The numbers tell you that they should.

What did Mike Tomlin think of the ‘Fire Tomlin' chants Sunday night inside Acrisure Stadium? The Steelers are yet again headed toward the same destination they are used to. The national voices continue to defend him or find ways to pull him away from blame. Bruce Arians told The Pat McAfee Show that changing the coordinators have been done time and time again, and that ‘won't fly' with fans anymore. What if fans chant ‘Fire Tomlin' during the draft? Are callers done with Mike Tomlin? Tomlin-ism of the Week – Mike Tomlin talked about some stupid penalties taken in the game and a ‘loss of composure' that took place against the Bills. It feels like the teams under Tomlin have shown an odd loss of said composure for quite some time. Did Tomlin call out Cam Heyward a little bit today?