Perspectives: First Church San Diego Pastors Podcast

What helps you stay grounded when life gets difficult? In this episode of Perspectives, Rev. Drs. Hannah and Brittany of First United Methodist Church of San Diego explore Luke 6:43-49 and Jesus' powerful images of trees, fruit, and firm foundations. Together, they discuss how faith is formed long before life's storms arrive—and why spiritual growth is less about avoiding hardship and more about developing the resilience to face it. The female pastors ultimately ask: What if discipleship isn't a "cost" to be paid, but a spiritual gym where we build the strength, courage, wisdom, and grounding needed to weather life's challenges? This progressive Christian conversation explores: Building faith for difficult times Faith as formation rather than achievement Why Jesus promises storms, not storm-free lives The connection between our inner life and outward actions Spiritual growth as a lifelong practice, not a one-time event Move from control to trust, certainty to surrender Discipleship being a rooting, grounding, and deepening rather than a “cost to be paid” Reflection Questions: What habits or influences are shaping the condition of my heart? Are there areas where my actions do not match my values or beliefs? What practices help me stay grounded when life becomes difficult? Join the Conversation: Whether you're a lifelong Christian, exploring progressive Christianity, deconstructing faith, or simply seeking a deeper spiritual foundation, we invite you to reflect alongside us: Convergence discussion group on Sundays at 12 PM Online Patreon community to connect with other listeners Timestamps: 00:00 Why Jesus Talks About Trees and Foundations 01:15 Scripture Reading: Luke 6:43-49 03:09 Faith Foundations and a Grandmother's Wisdom 05:15 Trees, Houses, and the Practice of Patience 08:00 More Than Saying "Lord, Lord": Faith as Formation 12:32 Why Storms Are Part of Life 18:18 The Spiritual Gym: Growing Through Difficult Seasons 20:12 The Inner Life, Richard Rohr, and Spiritual Transformation 25:53 Discipleship as Formation, Not Cost 27:31 Reflection Questions for Spiritual Growth

What makes music sacred? Who gets to be heard in worship? And where do we draw the line between “sacred” and “secular” music? In this special worship-focused episode of Perspectives, Rev. Dr. Hannah Ka sits down with Sarah Amos, Director of Music Ministries and Principal Organist at First United Methodist Church of San Diego, for a thoughtful conversation inspired by Psalm 150. Together, they explore: Why Psalm 150 gives no blueprint for “correct” worship The history of congregational singing and hymns How churches have institutionalized worship music The blurry line between sacred and secular music Why accessibility and participation matter in worship How music can reach people when words alone cannot From pipe organs and Taizé songs to Methodist hymn traditions and modern worship styles, this episode invites listeners to think more deeply about music as communal expression, spiritual formation, and embodied praise. Whether you come from a traditional church background, contemporary worship culture, or simply love music and spirituality, this conversation offers meaningful insight into the role music plays in connecting us to God and to one another. Join the Conversation We invite you to consider the below reflection questions and share your thoughts with our podcast community. We offer our in-person Convergence discussion group on Sundays at 12 PM and 24/7 connection online at Patreon. Reflection Questions: What makes music sacred to you? When do you feel encouraged to worship using your voice? How has worship reached you when words alone could not? Timestamps: 00:00 Opening Reflection — “Let everything that has breath praise the Lord” 01:14 Psalm 150 Reading & First Impressions 03:05 Sacred vs. Secular Music in Worship 05:59 Catholic Traditions, Lent, and Worship Rules 09:05 Hymns, Folk Music, and Congregational Singing 10:34 Why Singing Together Matters Spiritually 15:58 Music as Worship, Not Performance 18:13 Creativity, Taizé, and Expanding Worship Expression 22:26 How Music Reaches Us Beyond Words

Christians often try to define where the Holy Spirit can move, who it can speak through, and what it should look like. But in Acts 2, Pentecost arrives suddenly—like wind and fire—and disrupts every expectation. In this episode of Perspectives, Revs. Brittany and Hannah of First UMC San Diego explore Acts 2:1–21 and ask an important question: What if Pentecost wasn’t just a past event, but an ongoing movement of God still unfolding today through unexpected people and in unexpected ways? Together they discuss: Why the Holy Spirit often arrives through disruption rather than comfort How Pentecost celebrates diversity instead of erasing it The deeper meaning behind speaking and listening across cultures Why the Spirit moves beyond church walls and religious boundaries Intercultural, intergenerational, and inclusive visions of faith How modern Christianity can unintentionally limit the work of the Spirit Pentecost is more than a monument from the past—it is a movement still unfolding in our communities, relationships, and lives today. Continue the Discussion: There’s so much more to discuss when it comes to Pentecost and the mighty sound from Heaven. Join one of our groups to keep the discussion going: In-Person Convergence, Sundays at 12 PM, or our Patreon Online Community, available 24/7. Reflection Questions: When has the Spirit shown up as disruption rather than comfort? What does true understanding across difference look like today? Who do we recognize as bearers of the Spirit? Timestamps: 00:00 “Some winds arrive gently…” Opening reflection 00:00:45 Reading Acts 2, verses 1 to 21: The Pentecost story 00:03:23 Pentecost as disruption and radical change 00:05:45 The Holy Spirit comes through diversity, not uniformity 00:07:27 Understanding beyond spoken language 00:09:43 Why we limit the Holy Spirit to church spaces 00:11:53 Diversity, difference, and the Spirit without borders 00:16:22 Pentecost is not a monument — it’s a movement

What happens when faith gets fused with politics and the church loses its prophetic voice? In Episode 3 of The Landscape of the White Church & The American Nation, Rev. Trudy D. Robinson talks with Dr. Karl Martin about Christian nationalism, American exceptionalism, discipleship, and the struggle to keep the church’s prophetic voice alive in a divided culture. Together they explore: How nationalism can silence the church’s prophetic voice Why political division makes faithful conversation so difficult How Christians can love neighbor without coercion or violence What it might look like for faith communities to recover a more hopeful public witness This conversation is part of a special three-part series from First United Methodist Church of San Diego exploring the intersection of Christianity, culture, race, and national identity. It invites listeners to reach beyond simplistic answers to develop a deeper way of thinking about faith, politics, discipleship, and American culture. Join the conversation and support the work on FUMCSD's Patreon channel. About our Guest Speaker: Dr. Karl Martin is Emeritus Professor of American Literature at Point Loma Nazarene University, where he taught for 27 years. His work focuses on American literature and culture, African American literature, and the relationship between faith and public life. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to the series & today’s conversation 02:17 Why this topic became deeply personal 04:07 When nationalism replaces the prophetic voice 06:09 Politics, family division & difficult conversations 07:10 “Be More American” vs. God doing a new thing 09:10 Can some Christians become “un-American”? 11:26 Can the ends justify the means in Christian politics? 16:00 Final reflections: developing a deeper way of thinking

In Episode 2 of The Landscape of the White Church & The American Nation, Rev. Dr. Hannah Ka joins Dr. Karl Martin, Ph.D., turning deeper into the question of how faith and national identity intertwine in the United States. If American exceptionalism shapes how we understand the nation, what happens when that belief begins to shape how we understand Christianity itself? In this conversation, they explore Christian nationalism: What it is, why it matters, and how it can shape the way Christians understand both the Church and the nation. Together they discuss: A working definition of Christian nationalism How American identity is shaped by ideas of national origin and “founding stories” The relationship between patriotism, faith, and discipleship How Christian nationalism can shape church life and Christian imagination Signs that faith and national identity may be becoming fused How different generations engage these questions in complex and divided ways What it means to prioritize love of neighbor above political identity This episode invites listeners to consider how deeply our assumptions about nation and faith are formed, and how we might more faithfully follow the way of Jesus in a complex and divided cultural moment. This conversation is part of a special three-part series from First United Methodist Church of San Diego exploring the intersection of Christianity, culture, race, and national identity. Join the discussion and support the work through FUMCSD's Patreon channel. About our Guest Speaker: Dr. Karl Martin is Emeritus Professor of American Literature at Point Loma Nazarene University, where he taught for 27 years. His work focuses on American literature and culture, African American literature, and the relationship between faith and public life. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro & Why This Conversation Matters 01:26 Defining Christian Nationalism and American Exceptionalism 03:37 How Christian Nationalism Shapes Identity, Church, and Culture 06:17 Signs of Christian Nationalism in Everyday Faith & Politics 09:23 How Younger Generations Respond to These Conversations 12:09 When Students Begin Rethinking Faith, Nation, and Love of Neighbor 19:15 Discernment, Listening, and What It Means to Love Your Neighbor 22:08 Reclaiming a Gospel Vision Beyond National Boundaries

In Episode 1 of The Landscape of the White Church & The American Nation, Rev. Dr. Brittany Juliette Hanlin joins Dr. Karl Martin, Ph.D. for a thoughtful conversation about American exceptionalism, Christianity, patriotism, and the role of the Church in public life. What happens when devotion to nation begins to shape discipleship to Jesus? How do Christians distinguish between what is sacred and what is secular? And how might American exceptionalism contribute to Christian nationalism in the United States? Together they explore: What American exceptionalism actually means How faith and nationalism can become intertwined The difference between the Church and the nation-state Why prophetic critique becomes difficult in American Christianity How patriotism appears in white congregations and worship spaces The relationship between American exceptionalism and Christian nationalism How Christians can respond with love of neighbor and faithful discipleship This conversation is part of a special three-part series from First United Methodist Church of San Diego exploring the intersection of Christianity, culture, race, and national identity. Join the conversation and support the work at FUMCSD's Patreon channel. About Dr. Karl Martin: Dr. Karl Martin is Emeritus Professor of American Literature at Point Loma Nazarene University, where he taught for 27 years. His work focuses on American literature and culture, African American literature, and the relationship between faith and public life. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to the series 01:47 What is American exceptionalism? 03:46 When nation and church begin to blur 05:07 Sacred vs. secular in Christian thought 08:44 American exceptionalism and capitalism 11:34 The pros and cons of American exceptionalism 15:41 How patriotism appears in White churches 20:53 American exceptionalism and Christian nationalism 24:25 How Christians should respond with love of neighbor

Micah 6:8 is one of the Bible’s most quoted verses — but what does it actually mean to “do justice”? In this episode, Rev. Trudy Robinson and Rev. Dr. Hannah Ka unpack the deeper context behind Micah’s famous words, exploring justice, sacrifice, liberation theology, ethics, humility, and embodied faith. What sounds simple on a T-shirt turns out to be anything but simple. Together, the pastors of First UMC of San Diego discuss: • Why Micah frames justice as a courtroom confrontation • The difference between sacrifice, ritual, and transformed living • Why justice is communal — not merely personal • How faith becomes embodied through action and ethics • The connection between justice, compassion, and public life • Liberation theology and God’s “preferential option for the poor” • Why “walk humbly” means more than being passive or meek Through reflections on worship, power, repentance, and responsibility, this conversation invites listeners to rethink what God actually requires of us in difficult times: action that goes beyond niceness to a concrete plan that benefits the community as a whole. Because Micah’s message was never just about religious performance — it was about becoming people who live differently in the world. This is part 3 of our 3-part series: The Do’s and Don’ts of Times Like These. If you missed Part 1 – walking humbly in difficult times – or Part 2 – loving kindness like Micah – be sure to listen to them. Reflection Questions: How would you answer if God asked you, “How have I wearied you?” How have you incorrectly used Micah 6:8? What is your list of do’s and don’ts, now that you have heard more of Micah? Continue the Discussion: There’s so much more to discuss when it comes to Micah’s concept of loving kindness while pursuing justice. Join one of our groups to keep the discussion going by joining our In-Person Convergence on Sundays at 12 PM or our Patreon Online Community. Timestamps: 00:00 We Quote Micah 6:8 — But Can We Live It? 02:14 Micah’s Courtroom: God’s Lawsuit Against Israel 05:07 Temple Worship, Ritual & Religious Anxiety 08:03 Why Sacrifice Misses the Point 11:00 Justice as a Way of Living, Not a Transaction 14:25 Justice, Liberation & the Preferential Option for the Poor 18:41 Public Faith, Politics & Compassion 20:19 Sacrifice, Repentance & Unintentional Harm 23:10 Embodied Faith: What We Do With Our Lives 24:02 What “Walk Humbly” Really Means 26:25 Final Reflections & Discussion Questions

How do you fight for justice without losing kindness? In this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Rev. Trudy Robinson and Rev. Dr. Brittany Juliette Hanlin explore Micah’s prophetic vision of peace, justice, and loving kindness in a world shaped by conflict, fear, and division. Through Micah 4:1-4 and the broader message of Micah 6:8, they wrestle with difficult questions that still resonate today: Can kindness and anger exist together? Is lasting peace actually possible? What’s the difference between unity and uniformity? How do we hold people accountable without losing compassion? What does it mean to “love kindness” in times of injustice? The conversation explores the historical context behind the prophet Micah, the tension between justice and mercy, and how faith communities can respond to division with courage and compassion. Topics include: Micah’s vision of dismantling weapons The role of prophets during times of war Racism, justice, and the Civil Rights Movement The difference between kindness and niceness Why historical context matters when reading scripture This is part 2 of our 3-part series: The Do’s and Don’ts of Times Like These. If you missed Part 1 – walking humbly in difficult times – be sure to check it out Reflection Questions: What would it look like for weapons of violence, whether it’s guns, spears, or marginalizing policies to be transformed for the betterment of all people? How do your beliefs show up as kindness? How do you fight while being kind? Continue the Discussion: There’s so much more to discuss when it comes to Micah’s concept of loving kindness while pursuing justice. Join one of our groups to keep the discussion going: In-Person Convergence, Sundays at 12 PM, and our Patreon Online Community. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro – How do you fight for justice while staying kind? 02:33 Why prophets matter in times of war and division 07:10 Historical context: Micah, monotheism & competing worldviews 11:01 Unity vs. uniformity in faith and scripture 14:24 Is Micah’s vision of peace actually possible? 20:39 Is justice worth fighting for? Anger, oppression & hope 27:12 Can kindness and anger dance together? 25:01 Kindness as action & final reflection questions

What do you do when every voice claims to have the truth? In our current political division, social unrest, and conflicting perspectives, it’s hard to know what – or who – to trust. In this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Rev. Trudy Robinson and Rev. Dr. Hannah Ka turn to an unexpected voice: the prophet Micah. Though written over 2,700 years ago, Micah’s words feel strikingly relevant today. The female pastors of First UMC of San Diego explore: Why prophets spoke out against power The tension between personal and social holiness How we choose which voices to trust The danger of using faith to justify power What it truly means to walk humbly with God This conversation is based on Micah 3:4-12 and is the first of three conversations surrounding Micah’s well-known proclamation to “walk humbly, love kindness, and do justice.” Because in times of uncertainty like these, Micah’s words remind us that faith isn’t about certainty – it’s about humility, justice, and courage. Reflection Questions: Where have you seen gifts used with integrity, even when it costs you something? What does “walk humbly” look like in positions of power, influence, and leadership? What makes you realize that you must be humble before God? Continue the Discussion: There’s so much more to discuss when it comes to Micah’s concept of walking humbly with God. Join one of our groups to keep the discussion going: In-Person Convergence, in the Chapel on Sundays at 12 PM, or our Patreon Online Community. Timestamps: 00:00 When Truth Feels Impossible to Find 02:17 Micah’s Warning: Corruption, Power, and Silence 04:56 Personal vs. Social Holiness 06:03 Why Ancient Times Feel Like Today 08:20 Speaking Truth to Power (Then and Now) 11:12 The Cost Living Your Calling vs. Pleasing People 15:37 Listening to the Voices That Are Silenced 17:42 Christian Nationalism & Micah’s Warning 21:22 Power vs. Love: How Do We Discern Truth? 25:14 Closing Reflections & Discussion Questions

Apostle Paul: Was he right or was he wrong? Have Christians misunderstood him for centuries? That’s what Revs. Trudy and Brittany explore in this conversation of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. Join the two female pastors as they talk Apostle Paul, resurrection, salvation, end-times theology, Christian nationalism, and what matters most in following Jesus today. The Apostle Paul is one of Christianity’s most debated figures. Some Christians deeply value Paul’s letters. Others struggle with how his words have been used to exclude, shame, or harm people. Can both be true? Together, they explore: What Paul may have meant in 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 Why resurrection still matters in a hurting world How Paul is used for “us vs. them” religion The danger of focusing only on heaven instead of justice now Christian nationalism and eschatology (end-times theology) What Jesus prioritized above theological certainty In this third and final conversation of our “The Grace of the Passion Series,” we’re reminded that faith isn’t about getting every doctrine perfect. But instead, it’s about loving God and loving neighbor. Join the conversation with these reflection questions: How do you connect Jesus’ life and his resurrection? How does your belief in the resurrection change the way you see the future? Your life? What are the details of your theology that you are hesitant to let go of? Need a conversation partner? Chat online with our Patreon community or join Convergence, our in-person discussion group that meets Sundays at 12 PM. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro: Was Apostle Paul right or wrong? 04:08 Why Paul focuses on resurrection, not Jesus’ life 08:32 Do Christians overemphasize personal salvation? 10:20 Was Paul misunderstood and taken out of context? 16:12 Christian nationalism & end-times theology 19:12 We don’t have to take everything literally 22:23 Hope requires action, not belief alone 28:21 We don’t have to get it right—what matters most

What if faith isn't about having clarity, but about showing up even when you don't understand? In this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Revs. Hannah and Brittany explore the story of Doubting Thomas in John 20:19-25 and offer a powerful reframe: What if Thomas wasn’t lacking faith but longing for a deeper, personal encounter with Christ? Using their theological imagination, they make a case for Thomas’ deep faith in Jesus, arguing that perhaps his doubts weren’t in the risen Christ but the lack of spiritual growth in his fellow disciples. As part of our series “The Grace of the Passion,” we reflect on how Jesus meets the disciples behind closed – in fear, grief, and uncertainty – and how that same presence meets us today … if we open ourselves to tension and uncomfortable emotions. The conversation dives into: Doubt, grief, and spiritual FOMO Why emotions are essentials to faith – not obstacles Moving from “either/or” thinking to a “both/and” faith Experiencing the risen Christ in everyday relationships Letting go of the pressure to “have it all figured out” Maybe the question isn’t: “Do I believe enough?” Maybe it’s: “Am I open to encountering Christ in a new way?” Reflection Questions: Where in your life do you feel like you have to have everything figured out? What helps you stay connected to God when you’re unsure or struggling? When have you felt like Thomas, left out of something meaningful or sacred? We invite you to reflect on this conversation with someone you trust, online with our Patreon group, or in-person at our weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Limited on time? Jump ahead: Timestamps 00:00 What if faith isn’t about clarity? 00:26 Welcome + Episode Overview 00:48 Reading John 20,19-25 (Doubting Thomas) 02:29 Is Thomas really “doubting”? 05:44 Grace, grief, and missing out (FOMO) 07:11 Jesus meets us in fear and emotion 10:50 Faith as relationship, not certainty 15:09 Ongoing faith vs “one moment” belief 19:10 Living in tension (key insight) 22:18 A new question for faith 23:02 Reflection questions + closing

What if faith isn’t about pretending everything is fine—but about telling the truth? In this episode of the Perspectives Podcast from First United Methodist Church of San Diego, Rev. Brittany and Rev. Trudy explore what it means to not be okay and why that honesty might be the beginning of real hope. After Easter, when celebration fades and real life sets back in, many of us are left carrying grief, doubt, exhaustion, or unanswered questions. Drawing from Luke 24:13–32 (The Road to Emmaus), this conversation reminds us that even Jesus’ followers wrestled with disappointment, confusion, and loss. In Part 1 of our series “The Grace of the Passion,” we explore how God meets us not when we have it all together but when we’re willing to be real. In this episode, we discuss: Why “I’m fine” culture can harm our faith and mental health The courage it takes to face grief, disappointment, and change Why resurrection hope doesn’t erase present pain The importance of community when life feels overwhelming What happens when we avoid grief—and why it eventually catches up How God meets us in confusion, not just in clarity Content Note: This episode includes discussion of deep emotional pain and mentions of suicide. If you are in crisis, please call 9-1-1 or visit your nearest emergency room. You are not alone. Reflection Questions: What are you carrying right now that you’ve been trying to hold together on your own? When has a season of “not being okay” led to growth? When have you felt that God was absent or hard to recognize? Continue the conversation by reflecting with someone you trust or join the Perspectives community online via Patreon or in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps 00:00 Intro – Is it OK to not be OK? 00:34 Special content note & episode overview 3:26 Why the Road to Emmaus story matters 7:34 When hope dies after disappointment 10:09 You’re not OK – and that changes how you see things 15:04 Rethinking suffering, faith, and God’s role 19:07 Faith, mental health, and the danger of “just be OK” 21:10 The pressure to pretend in culture and church 23:17 Standing still in grief 24:58 “If you don’t sit with your grief…” 26:43 Reflection questions and closing

In this Lenten episode of Perspectives, Revs. Trudy D. Robinson and Dr. Hannah Ka explore Matthew 26:6–13, the story of the unnamed woman who anoints Jesus—and the uncomfortable truth it reveals about us: Why do we deflect when truth feels painful? Why do we “help” in ways that actually protect our own comfort? As the disciples criticize what they call waste, one woman embodies a radically different response: acceptance, courage, and costly love. This conversation invites us to confront a difficult question: Are we avoiding the truth… even when we know it deep down? Join the female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego to explore: Why we instinctively deflect in moments of discomfort How “helping” can sometimes hide our own agenda The difference between surface peace and truthful love What it means to accept reality—even when it hurts Why love, in the way Jesus models it, always costs something This is part of our Lenten series, The People of the Passion, where we reflect on the figures surrounding Jesus’ journey to the cross—and what they reveal about who we are today. Continue the conversation by reflecting with someone you trust or join the Perspectives community online via Patreon or in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Reflection questions for Lent: When have you had a meaningful experience you didn't know how to interpret? Where do you notice yourself deflecting to avoid conflict or protect yourself? What helps you with acceptance? Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps 00:00 Introduction: Love, discomfort, and deflection 01:04 Scripture Reading – Matthew 26, verses 6–13 02:09 Why this story resists easy explanation 04:23 The disciples’ deflection vs. the woman’s clarity 06:20 How the story changes across the Gospels 13:44 Deflection as a human survival instinct 16:52 A modern story: when “helping” hides our agenda 21:55 The cost of love & Lenten reflection questions

Was Jesus resurrected in body or spirit? Does it matter? What does it mean for us today? That’s what Revs. Trudy D. Robinson and Brittany Juliette Hanlin discuss in this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. Throughout Lent, this series—The People of the Passion—has focused on the individuals surrounding Jesus’ crucifixion, not just as historical figures, but as mirrors for who we are today. This week, we turn to a brief but powerful passage: Matthew 27:62–66, where religious and political leaders seal Jesus’ tomb to prevent what they call “deception.” But beneath the surface is a deeper question: Who gets to control the story of resurrection? The female pastors wrestle with: Why the resurrection has been reduced to something overly literal and what we lose as a result The tension between faith, mystery, and the need for certainty How institutions (then and now) shape narratives through doubt and control Whether resurrection is less about what happened to Jesus—and more about what is still happening in us This conversation invites us to move beyond proving resurrection…and instead, to live it. Continue the conversation by reflecting with someone you trust or join the Perspectives community online via Patreon or in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Reflection questions for Lent: What significance does the resurrection of Jesus mean for you? How does that understanding of resurrection appear in your daily life? How does the resurrection impact your relationship with others? Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps 00:00 Introduction: Does the resurrection make sense? 01:43 Scripture Story: Matthew 27, verses 62 to 66 03:18 Is resurrection controversial—or just assumed? 05:00 “Death doesn’t have the final say” – what really matters 07:06 Why we’ve lost the mystery of resurrection 10:46 Resurrection as personal transformation (hope, joy, love) 15:15 Controlling the narrative: doubt, power, and the sealed tomb 19:28 Why Jesus’ story survived—and why that matters 24:18 Resurrection is not just for you 27:45 Reflection questions + closing

Privilege might feel like a modern conversation, but Scripture has been asking the same question for centuries: What do we do with the access we have that others don’t? That’s what Revs. Brittany and Hannah explore in this episode of Perspectives as they continue the Lenten conversation series: “The People of the Passion.” This week, they focus on the story of Joseph of Arimathea in Matthew 27:57-61: A wealthy disciple who quietly uses his status, resources, and connections to honor Jesus after the crucifixion. Joseph wasn’t one of the twelve disciples. He doesn’t preach, perform miracles, or stand in the spotlight. Instead, he does something quietly courageous: He approaches the Roman governor Pilate, asks for Jesus’ body, and provides a dignified burial. His story raises powerful questions that feel strikingly modern: What do we do with the access and privilege we have? When is quiet action more powerful than public recognition? How can ordinary people use their influence for good? Joseph’s story reminds us that much of discipleship often doesn’t happen on stage. Sometimes it happens out of the spotlight in unseen moments when someone uses what they have to make life more humane for others. And sometimes the most faithful thing we can do is simply use what we’ve been given to make someone else’s life better. Continue the conversation by reflecting with someone you trust or join the Perspectives community online via Patreon or in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Reflection questions for Lent: What doors are open to you that may be closed to others? What risks come with using privilege for the sake of others? How can privilege be used to restore dignity rather than reinforce power? Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps 00:00 Introduction: Is privilege a modern issue or a biblical one? 00:36 Scripture Reading: Matthew 27 verses 57–61 02:04 The surprising disciple: Who is Joseph of Arimathea? 05:18 Jewish burial law, Roman rule, and cultural tension 06:50 Courage and access: How Joseph used privilege to approach Pilate 10:12 Quiet discipleship vs. spotlight ministry 12:59 The unseen work that sustains communities 14:38 The dignity of the forgotten: What about the other crucified men? 17:10 When privilege becomes responsibility 20:08 Lenten reflection questions & wrap-up

What if a horror film could teach us something about faith? In Sinners, music becomes a spiritual force that’s powerful enough to bring people together, challenge oppression, and even pierce the veil between life and death. In this episode of Reel Theology: Where Film Meets Faith, Rev. Brittany and Rev. Trudy explore the film Sinners and uncover the powerful spiritual questions hidden beneath its supernatural story. It’s a haunting movie that weaves together music, history, theology, and horror into an unforgettable masterpiece. Set in 1930s Mississippi, the film navigates faith, family expectations, and the cultural power of music in a deeply segregated society. What begins as a story about a juke joint and blues music soon unfolds into a layered reflection on temptation, survival, oppression, and spiritual power. It’s a vampire film, but it’s also about so much more: ancestral memory, cultural resilience, and the sacred power of music. In this conversation, the female pastors explore themes like: The relationship between music and spirituality Why religious institutions sometimes fear artistic expression African American spiritual traditions and Hoodoo The history of Black music as resistance and survival Theological ideas like temptation, evil, and process theology How oppression shapes community, identity, and belonging Ultimately, the film points toward a powerful truth echoed in Christian faith: Even in the presence of evil, racism, and death — nothing can separate us from the love of God. Watch the conversation and join us as we ask: What can a supernatural film teach us about faith? Want to connect with others about this discussion? Join our Patreon community online! Sinners has been nominated for a record-breaking 16 Academy Award nominations: Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress, Best Original Screen Play, Best Director, Best Cinematography, Best Original Score, Best Visual Effects, Best Film Editing, Best Makeup and Hairstyling, Best Costume Design, Best Production Design, Best Sound, and Achievement in Casting Sinners also received nominations for: BAFTA Awards, Critics’ Choice Movies Awards, Golden Globe Awards, Grammy Awards, and SAG Awards. A Note About Awards: While widely praised by critics for its storytelling, cinematography, and cultural depth, Sinners has also sparked conversation about which films receive major awards recognition and why.

Reel Theology: Where Film Meets Faith — Oscar Season Conversations How do we heal when trauma runs through generations like a crack in a foundation? In this episode of Reel Theology, Revs. Trudy and Brittany explore the Oscar-nominated film Sentimental Value, starring Stellan Skarsgård. Set in Norway, the film tells the story of Gustaf, a filmmaker attempting to reconcile with his daughters after years of absence. As he tries to reconnect through a film he has written for them, the story reveals layers of grief, generational trauma, patriarchal expectations, and the longing for forgiveness. Through the lens of progressive Christian theology, this conversation wrestles with the age-old question of theodicy: How can a loving God exist when so much suffering exists in the world? It's part of a special Academy Awards series from First United Methodist Church of San Diego, Reel Theology, where faith and film meet in meaningful conversation. Listen as the female pastors of explore how the film raises profound spiritual questions that reflect on faith, forgiveness, and the courage it takes to confront what has been broken: How does trauma pass through generations? Why do people walk away from faith when suffering seems overwhelming? What happens when we hide from our pain instead of confronting it? Can reconciliation happen after years of absence? Where is God when families break apart? Want to connect with others about this discussion? Join our Patreon community online!

Reel Theology: Where Film Meets Faith — Oscar Season Conversations What does it mean to live a meaningful life? Join Revs. Trudy and Hannah as they reflect on Academy Award–nominated film Train Dreams. The quiet, contemplative film tells the story of Robert Grainier, an orphaned boy who grows into a railroad worker and logger in the early American West—living a life marked by hardship, grief, beauty, and unexpected moments of grace. And ultimately, it invites us to slow down, notice the sacred in everyday moments, and ask: What are we here for? This is part of a special Academy Awards series from First United Methodist Church of San Diego, where faith and film meet in meaningful conversation. Together, the female pastors explore the film’s deeper themes: • The search for meaning in ordinary lives • The importance of relationships and chosen family • Spiritual connection beyond organized religion • The healing power of presence in times of grief • The beauty of nature and the interconnectedness of all creation Want to connect with others about this discussion? Join our Patreon community online!

Reel Theology: Where Film Meets Faith — Oscar Season Conversations What does an animated K-pop fantasy film have to teach us about shame, grace, and spiritual healing? In this first episode of Reel Theology: Where Film Meets Faith, Revs. Trudy and Hannah explore the Oscar-nominated film KPop Demon Hunters – a visually vibrant story that turns out to be deeply theological beneath the surface. Together, they unpack themes of identity, hidden flaws, community, redemption, and what happens when we stop trying to save face and start accepting saving grace. Through Korean cultural insights, biblical parallels, and honest pastoral reflection, this conversation asks a powerful spiritual question: What do we do with the parts of ourselves we’ve been taught to hide? This is part of a special Academy Awards series from First United Methodist Church of San Diego, where faith and film meet in meaningful conversation. In this episode, the female pastors discuss: • Shame, identity, and redemption in storytelling • The theology of community and collective healing • Music as spiritual connection • Baptism symbolism in the public bathhouse scenes • Why perfection isn’t the goal of faith Want to connect with others about this discussion? Join our Patreon community online!

Power can be silent—or destructive. What happens when inaction allows injustice to continue? In this episode of the Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Revs. Trudy Robinson and Hannah explore the Passion story through the lens of progressive Christian theology, reflecting on Matthew 27:11–24 and the theme “The Violence of Neutrality.” Join them for a thoughtful Lenten conversation about how avoidance, silence, and shifting responsibility can perpetuate injustice—and how the Passion story challenges us to recognize the power we hold in our own lives. From Pontius Pilate to Caiaphas, they explore how those in positions of authority collude, manipulate crowds, and deflect responsibility—and how Jesus moves toward the cross with a radically different kind of power: truth, grace, and forgiveness. In this episode, you’ll hear discussions about: The different voices of power present in the Passion story • How easily we can become complicit in unjust systems • The agency we still hold—even when we feel powerless • Matthew’s theological perspective on Jesus’ crucifixion and alternate interpretations—including whether Jesus truly had to die on the cross • The unique power Jesus modeled and shared freely with others Continue the conversation by reflecting with someone you trust or join the Perspectives community online via Patreon or in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Reflection questions for Lent: How do you use your power? What perspective prohibits your ability to use your power? What would God’s perspective suggest you do with your power? Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps 00:00 Introduction: Feeling powerless 01:08 Reading Matthew 27:11-24 (Jesus before Pilate) 03:33 Pilate, Caiaphas, and power dynamics 08:38 Pilate’s political authority vs. emotional disengagement 12:20 The crowd, shifting responsibility, and complicity 16:14 Jesus’ radical power: truth, grace, and forgiveness 23:25 Reflection: Using power without collusion 28:02 Lenten reflection questions & wrap-up

Betrayal. Disillusionment. Survival. Before we condemn Judas, we might first need to admit how often faith turns transactional in our own hearts. Perhaps we have more in common with Judas than we previously thought. That’s what Revs. Hannah and Brittany discuss in this episode of our Lenten Series: The People of the Passion. They reflect on Matthew 26:14-16, 47-50 and the story of Judas … not as a cartoon villain, but as a mirror of our own hearts. They ask: Why did Judas betray Jesus? Was it really about money? Or unmet expectations? Disappointment? Survival within a broken system? We will all make mistakes, we all sometimes turn down the wrong path, so perhaps Judas’ story is more about the hope available to us all instead of the story of a villain. Join the female pastors of First UMC of San Diego as they explore: The tension between relationship and convenience The link between unmet expectations and resentment Emotional distancing as self-protection How systems enable betrayal Why Judas may represent something deeply human in all of us Judas isn’t just “the betrayer.” He is a disciple, a friend, and someone invited to the table — even knowing what he would do. And that might be the most hopeful part of the story. Continue the conversation by reflecting with someone you trust or connecting with the Perspectives community online through Patreon and in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Reflection questions for Lent: Where have I reduced devotion to a transaction? Where do I quietly distance myself from friends in order to protect my resources? What expectations do you need to shift or let go of to follow Jesus? Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps 00:00 Opening Reflection: “Before we condemn the betrayer …” 01:07 Scripture Reading of Matthew 26:14-16, 47-50 04:10 Relationship vs. Money – Is Faith Transactional? 06:35 Betraying Jesus… and Ourselves 07:52 Systems, Power, and Institutional Betrayal 10:09 “Friend” – Emotional Distance in the Garden 15:51 When Expectations Turn Into Resentment 18:10 The System Behind the Betrayal 19:16 The Open Table – Grace for Judas (and Us) 22:02 Lenten Reflection Questions & Closing

What happens when faith confronts us with responsibility we’d rather avoid? We get defensive – just like the priests of Jesus’ time. That’s what Revs. Trudy and Brittany discuss this first episode in our Lenten Series: The People of the Passion. They start with Matthew 21:33-45, the Parable of the Tenants. Often read as a story about religious leaders rejecting Jesus, the parable is more layered – and more uncomfortable – than we tend to admit. Why does Jesus tell such a violent story? Why does the landowner keep extending grace? And why do the religious leaders get so defensive? Perhaps the answer to the questions is because the parable isn’t about Jesus defending his authority – it’s about us. Join the female pastors of First UMC of San Diego as they wrestle with: Why we should resist easy interpretation of Biblical parables The power dynamics between empire, authority, and faith Why grace feels unreasonable – and how to maintain hope when we struggle to extend it to others What defensiveness reveals about who we serve Lent invites us to honest self-examination. This week we ask: What makes you question authority? How can you question authority in ways that reflect God’s nonviolence and benevolence? How do you not become defensive when you’re being held accountable? Join us as we consider whether we are living as grateful tenants or defensive ones. Continue the conversation by reflecting with someone you trust, or connecting with the Perspectives community online through Patreon and in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps: 00:00 Opening Question – “Who Do Our Actions Serve?” 01:12 Reading Matthew 21:33-45 03:10 The Violence & Logic of the Parable – Why This Story Feels Strange 06:00 Authority, Empire, and Anti-Semitic Misreadings 08:48 The Defensive Heart – When Accountability Hits a Nerve 15:31 Who Is Your Authority? Faith vs. Empire 22:30 Lenten Reflection & Final Questions

Will we ever fully know and understand God? And if we could … would that even be God? In this final episode of our Unexpected Divine conversations, Revs. Brittany and Hannah explore John 1:18: “No one has ever seen God. It is God, the only Son, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known.” Through their conversation, the female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego use poetic theology, humor, and real-life reflection to wrestle with: What it means that Jesus “exegetes” (reveals) the heart of God Why mystery is not a weakness of faith, but its depth How Jesus reshapes our understanding of transcendence Why not knowing everything about God doesn’t excuse us from justice Whether Christocentrism is compatible with Jesus’ own ministry How diversity in religions may reflect the vastness of the Divine From TikTok analogies to the Grand Canyon, from Mary & Martha to Sankofa, this conversation invites us into a faith that is expansive, relational, and beautifully unfinished. Reflection Questions: What does Jesus show us about God? Which ideas about God have shaped my faith, and which no longer help me grow? What does it mean that God is not “seen” but is still “made known”? Join the conversation by sharing this episode, reflecting with someone you trust, or connecting with the Perspectives community online through Patreon and in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps: 00:00 Opening Question – Can We Ever Fully Know God? 00:46 “No One Has Ever Seen God” – What Does John Mean? 02:51 Jesus as the “Exegesis” of God 06:28 Have We Seen God Through Jesus? 12:32 Jesus Wept – The Heart of God Revealed 16:52 If We Can Explain God, Is It Still God? 20:57 Is Christocentrism Compatible with Jesus? 24:53 Reflection Questions & Final Thoughts

What are the 8 most scandalous words in the Bible? Revs. Trudy and Hannah share their thoughts on that and more in this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. The female pastors continue investigating The Unexpected Divine. This time looking at “the spaces between us” – a progressive Christian reflection on John 1:14. Together, they answer why the first half of the verse (“the Word became flesh and lived among us”) continues to unsettle faith communities. Through biblical study, lived experience, theology, and culture, the pastors wrestle with Jesus’ full humanity, the scandal of divine nearness, and what it means to glimpse God’s glory in ordinary life. This episode opens space for reflection and conversation about: The tension between panentheism, traditional doctrine, and lived faith Reshaping how we see ourselves and the world Why God dwelling among us is so scandalous How Jesus’ humanity challenges the way we live We invite you to continue the discussion with these reflection questions: How does the idea that Jesus lived a life just like us humans change the way you think about Jesus? How does this understanding impact your everydayness? With whom have you felt the Spirit of God? Join the conversation by sharing this episode, reflecting with someone you trust, or connecting with the Perspectives community online through Patreon and in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Limited on time? Jump ahead to these pivotal moments. Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome & Introduction 01:06 John 1 verse 14 & “the Word became flesh” 03:36 “What if God were one of us?” 07:11 Relating to Jesus’ humanity 18:09 Panentheism – God within and beyond the world 27:43 Reflection Questions & Closing

What does transformation look – for our faith, our church, and our world? In this episode of Perspectives: FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Revs. Trudy Robinson and Brittany Juliette Hanlin continue the sermon series The Unexpected Divine with a deep, progressive Christian reflection on John 1:12–13. Together, they explore what it truly means to become children of God—not as a static identity, but as a lifelong, outward-facing process of transformation. Through Scripture, lived experience, and historical context, the female pastors talk about faith the takes action. What happens when transformation doesn’t mean perfection but movement, justice, and change? This episode invites you to wrestle with: Transformation as an action, not just a belief. Awareness fatigue and why knowing isn’t the same as doing. The Kingdom of God as social, political, and spiritual renewal. Justice being central to the will of God. Whether Jesus himself experienced transformation. The tension between the will of God, the will of humanity, and the will of flesh. The limits of dualistic theology (spirit vs. flesh, sacred vs. secular). Continue the conversation with these reflection questions: What does it mean to become children of God? What does transformation look like in your life? How does your life reflect the will of God, as you know it? Join the conversation by sharing this episode, reflecting with someone you trust, or connecting with the Perspectives community online through Patreon and in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group. Short on time? Here are some meaningful timestamps to help you plan your lisenting. Timestamps 00:00 Welcome & Introduction 02:40 What does “transformation” mean in Christian life? 08:40 Being moved by the world without conforming to it 12:30 Intentional, circumstantial, and ultimate will 16:30 “To become” – Incarnation, transformation, and being children of God 18:45 Was Jesus transformed? 23:00 Awareness, exhaustion, and why outrage alone isn’t transformation 29:45 The limits of dualistic theology 32:52 Reflection questions & closing

What if God’s love isn’t just “out there somewhere,” but flowing through every part of creation—even in people we struggle to welcome? In this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Rev. Hannah and Rev. Brittany continue their series The Unexpected Divine, turning to John 1:3-4 to explore how life and light are woven into all creation. Through Scripture, lived experience, and historical context, the female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego reflect on what it means to recognize the Divine spark in every person – across disagreement, polarization, culture, and belief. This conversation invites us to rethink how we see God, one another, and ourselves … especially in today’s divided world. In this episode, you’ll hear reflections on: The Divine spark (or sparkle!) present in every human John’s Gospel as a unifying vision across cultures and traditions How polarization clouds our ability to see God in one another Why kindness, presence, and even a simple smile can be sacred acts The radical Gospel claim that everyone is equal before God Continue the conversation with these reflection questions: Have you ever encountered God through a conversation you were avoiding or a person you had written off? How has an unexpected relationship changed your understanding of love, grace, or truth? Where do you see life and light breaking through in places the world has written off? Join the conversation by sharing this episode, reflecting with someone you trust, or connecting with the Perspectives community online through Patreon and in person at the weekly Convergence Discussion Group.

What does it mean to say that “In the beginning was the Word” … and why does it still matter? That's what's being asked in this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. In this first conversation of a five-part series on the Gospel of John, Revs. Trudy and Hannah explore John 1:1 and the theme “The Eternal Now – God Beyond Time.” Together, they unpack John’s poetic and often confusing language to discover a radical idea at the heart of the Gospel: Eternity doesn’t pull us out of the world; God brings eternity into it. Drawing from Jewish wisdom traditions, Greek philosophy, and early Christian theology, this progressive Christian Bible study from First United Methodist Church of San Diego invites listeners to see the Gospel of John not as rigid dogma, but as a story of surprise, disruption, and divine presence in unexpected places. You’ll hear reflections on: What “the Word” (Logos) meant across Jewish, Greek, and early Christian cultures Why John begins with creation instead of Jesus’ birth Eternity as a present reality … not just a future promise Rethinking Jesus’ “I Am” statements beyond exclusion and certainty God’s ongoing work of creation within and around our life – even in chaos, doubt, and struggle Continue the conversation with these reflection questions: What does eternity mean to you? How does eternity change your understanding of today, tomorrow or the future? How do you understand Jesus as being the Word of God, and what does it has to do with us? Join us online through Patreon, in person at our weekly Convergence Discussion Group, or by sharing this conversation with someone you trust. Episode Timestamps 00:00 Introduction - Why People Love (and Misunderstand) the Gospel of John 01:14 “In the Beginning Was the Word” (Reading John 1:1) 03:27 What “The Word” Meant in Jewish, Greek, and Early Christian Thought 07:49 Why John Feels Exclusionary (and Why It Might Not Be) 10:09 Eternity Comes to Us, Not the Other Way Around 14:23 The Unexpected Divine in Everyone 20:52 God Creates Out of Chaos (Then and Now) 22:41 Closing & Reflection Questions

What does baptism really mean—and why was Jesus baptized at all? That’s what Revs. Trudy and Brittany tackle in this episode of Perspectivs FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. The two female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego explore Jesus’ baptism in Matthew 3:13–17 through a progressive Christian lens. Together, they reflect on baptism as both a risk we take when we step toward God and a commitment we live out as we step back into the world. This thoughtful conversation explores the dynamic relationship between Jesus and John the Baptist, the symbolism of the Jordan River, and why Jesus’ baptism wasn’t about sin but about solidarity, humility, and embarking on a new chapter. The pastors also unpack why the baptism ritual still matters today, especially in progressive faith communities. Whether you identify as Christian, spiritual-but-not-religious, or are simply curious about faith beyond dogma, this episode invites you to reimagine baptism as a reminder that you are already loved and still being called forward. Episode topics include: Why Jesus insisted on being baptized Repentance vs. transformation Water, movement, and new life Is baptism required for salvation? Communal ritual and remembering our baptism today Continue the conversation with friends and family, at our in-person Convergence group, or online at our Patreon channel with these suggested reflection and discussion questions: What do you believe is the connection between sin and new life? What do we gain, and what do we lose, in the belief that Jesus was sinless? Why do you think Jesus was baptized by God? Short on time? Use these timestamps to jump to a specific topic: 00:00 What Does Baptism Change? Introducing “Stepping In, Stepping Up 02:40 Jesus and John the Baptist: Cousins, Calling, and Possible Rivalry 05:30 Repentance vs. Transformation: Naming Problems and Living Solutions 08:00 Baptism in Jesus’ Time: Who It Was For and Why the Jordan River Matters 10:40 The Power of Water: Movement, Disorientation, and Renewal 11:45 Why Was Jesus Baptized If He Was Divine? 17:30 What Baptism Means Today: Commitment, Not Cleansing 22:40 Remembering Our Baptism in Community 26:30 Reflection Questions for Today

Happy New Year from the clergy women of the Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast! In this special 10-minute mini episode, Revs. Trudy, Hannah, and Brittany of First United Methodist Church of San Diego reflect on the past year of Perspectives and share what makes this progressive Christian podcast meaningful to them. They also look ahead to 2026, offering their hopes and dreams for the podcast as it enters its third year, including deeper conversations with Scripture, engagement with hard and overlooked texts, and expanding dialogue with voices from other faith traditions. Bonus Invitation: Listeners are invited to join us for an in-person celebration of Perspectives on January 25, 2026, at First United Methodist Church of San Diego. We’ll share food, community, and a few behind-the-scenes bloopers. Learn more at: https://www.fumcsd.org/gathering. To listen to more episodes and connect with the Perspectives community, visit us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd. Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast is a progressive Christian podcast where women pastors explore Scripture, theology, faith, and life in an honest, thoughtful, and welcoming way.

What does it mean to sit with ancient Christmas songs in a complex, imperfect world? In this special episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, all three clergywomen – Revs. Trudy, Hannah, and Brittany – gather in the studio to reflect on the Advent season and their four-part series, Our Advent Mix Tape. Together, the pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego explore how Christmas music and ancient songs of Scripture can hold both darkness and hope – and how the season invites us into deeper ways of loving the world. The conversation invites listeners into deeper, more honest Christmas reflections on: Surprises that emerge while exploring Christmas songs Favorite Christmas songs and the spiritual gifts music offers Naming both the struggle and beauty of the season Living out light, hope, peace, joy, and love beyond Christmas A special Christmas gift: The pastors have curated a Spotify playlist, Our Advent Mix Tape. Listen here: fumcsd.org/mixtape. We also invite you to connect with our podcast community on Patreon, where you can chat with other listeners and go deeper in your reflections.

What do we sing when the world feels uncertain? In the final track of Our Advent Mixtape, we turn to Zechariah’s Advent song – the Benedictus (Luke 1:68–79) – and listen for the hope and joy that can still be found in seasons of darkness. In this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Rev. Trudy and Rev. Hannah explore that very question. It's a digital Bible conversation led by the female pastors of the First United Methodist Church of San Diego. The two pastors reflect on the power of sacred songs to carry faith through seasons of fear, exile, and oppression, and how these songs can bridge old and new faiths, deepen spiritual imaginations, and help God break through the darkness in our lives today. As Advent invites us to wait, listen, and sing anew, this conversation asks: What might salvation look like in our daily lives? Where do we see God’s light breaking through now? And how do we pass on hope and joy—to our children, our communities, and our world? Continue the Conversation & Reflection There is so much to explore with this rich song. We encourage you to continue the conversation with friends and family, our online Patreon community, or our in-person Convergence discussion group. Here are some reflection questions for you to explore: What does salvation look like in your daily practices? Where do we see God’s dawn breaking right now? What is faith for you? Join us next week for a special Christmas message! Timestamps 00:00 Introducing Zechariah’s Song 02:20 Reading of Luke 1:68-79 – The Benedictus 03:40 Bridging of Two Traditions – Jewish Hope & Early Christianity 06:26 Silence, Listening & Being Pregnant with Hope 11:04 Songs of Faith in Fearful Times 19:18 Passing on Hope: Parenting, Faith, and Peace 22:27 Closing and Reflection Questions

Feeling the weight of uncertainty, turmoil, or transition this Advent season? You’re not alone—and neither was Mary. As she moved toward the birth of Jesus, facing risk and social stigma, she still found the courage to sing the very first Christmas carol: Mary’s Magnificat. In this week’s conversation, Rev. Hannah and Rev. Brittany from First United Methodist Church of San Diego explore Mary’s bold, justice-filled song that’s sometimes described as a female punk rock Christmas anthem. Found in Luke 1:46–55, the Magnificat isn’t sentimental or soft; it’s a prophetic cry that challenges power, confronts injustice, and lifts up the marginalized. Whether you identify as Christian, spiritual-but-not-religious, skeptical, or simply curious, this episode invites you to reimagine Mary not as a quiet figure in a nativity scene but as a courageous young woman leading an uprising of love. It’s the third track of Our Advent Mix Tape, the female pastors’ exploration of lesser-known songs of Christmas – and the powerful gifts they deliver. This week’s gift: Love. Join us to explore: Why cultivating a trusted community matters Mary’s journey of questions, accepting, assuring, and praising The danger Mary faced as an unwed, pregnant teen in the ancient world How the Magnificat flips the status quo and proclaims radical, prophetic hope There is so much to explore with this rich song. We encourage you to continue the conversation with friends and family, our online Patreon community, or our in-person Convergence discussion group. Here are some reflection questions for you to explore: If Mary's song were sung today, what specific injustices, hopes, and transformations would she name? What song is God inviting you to sing even if your voice trembles? How does Mary's love for her child expand into a vision for a world turned upside down? Why does true justice-seeking love often feel disruptive rather than comforting? How can we practice love today in ways that are tangible and lifegiving and not just symbolic? Join us next week for the final track in this mix tape! And be sure to get the first two tracks: Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Season 3 Episode 13 & 14.

How do we achieve hope and salvation when we’re surrounded by darkness? That’s what Revs. Trudy and Hannah ask as they enter week two of Our Advent Mix Tape. For inspiration and wisdom, they turn to Isaiah’s prophetic song, which sings praises of thanksgiving for salvation during a time when the Israelites are exiled. Despite their dark circumstances, Isaiah’s song invites the Israelite to image when lightness could be – a way to inspire hope in others to take radical moves to bring about change. The song, found in Isaiah 12:1-6, also highlights individual as well as communal praise and thanksgiving, speaking to the need for both personal and community salvation, a core component of Methodist theology: “There is no personal holiness without social holiness” – a phrase popularized by John Wesley. Through the course of the digital Bible study conversation, the female pastors of the First United Methodist Church of San Diego look closely at Isaiah’s metaphor of the wells of salvation, and ultimately ask: What does salvation look like today? What does Isaiah’s song mean to us in 2025? Is there a universality to salvation that’s available for all cultures and faith traditions? We invite you to continue the pastors’ conversation as you journey through Advent. Join our in-person Convergence group, visit our Patreon Channel, or gather friends and family to discuss these reflection questions: What is salvation for you? How is your salvation related to the salvation of the community? How do you participate in salvation? Want to hear the rest of Our Advent Mixtape? Join us for all four episodes (Season 3, Episodes 13-16) for reflections on the Advent and Christmas promises of peace, hope, joy, and love. New episodes drop Sunday mornings.

Advent—the time in between—is here. But many of us struggle to feel “Christmas-y” when life isn’t where we hoped it would be. If peace feels out of tune for you right now, this episode is for you. Join Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany – two of the three female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego – as they discuss their Advent Mixtape, exploring how ancient and modern songs can ground us in peace in a world that never stops moving. While most Christmas songs feel light, airy, and escapist – giving the false perception that peace is only achievable in stillness and calm, David’s Psalmody, Psalm 96 – one of the “lesser-known songs of Christmas” – provides a more honest and hopeful vision of peace. In this progressive digital Bible-study conversation, explore: The meaning of Advent as a season of the in-between What “salvation” means in the Hebrew Bible and Psalms How nature participates in healing, peace, and salvation The difference between societal peace and inward peace Practices and touchstones to stay centered amid holiday chaos How music helps reset our anxiety and restore calm We invite you to keep the conversation going as you journey through Advent. Join our in-person Convergence group, visit our Patreon Channel, or gather friends and family to discuss these reflection questions: What role does music play in your wellbeing? What is the “in-between” of here and not yet that you are in right now? What role does nature play in your understanding of being made whole? Want to hear the rest of Our Advent Mixtape? Join us for Season 3, Episodes 14-16, for reflections on hope, joy, and love. New episodes drop Sunday mornings. In today’s episode, we share a selection from Psalm 96 (NRSV), and, as a bonus treat, the full psalm from The Message translation below. As you read it, consider: What tune do you think would fit this modern translation of the ancient song? Psalms 96 1-2a Sing God a brand-new song! Earth and everyone in it, sing! Sing to God—worship God! 2b-3 Shout the news of his victory from sea to sea, Take the news of his glory to the lost, News of his wonders to one and all! 4-5a For God is great, and worth a thousand Hallelujahs. His furious beauty puts the other gods to shame; Pagan gods are mere tatters and rags. 5b-6 God made the heavens— Royal splendor radiates from him, A powerful beauty sets him apart. 7Bravo, God, Bravo! Everyone join in the great shout: Encore! In awe before the beauty, in awe before the might. 8-9Bring gifts and celebrate, Bow before the beauty of God, Then to your knees—everyone worship! 10Get out the message—God Rules! He put the world on a firm foundation; He treats everyone fair and square. 11Let’s hear it from Sky, With Earth joining in, And a huge round of applause from Sea. 12Let Wilderness turn cartwheels, Animals, come dance, Put every tree of the forest in the choir— 13An extravaganza before God as he comes, As he comes to set everything right on earth, Set everything right, treat everyone fair. Scripture taken from The Message, copyright © 1993, 2002, 2018 by Eugene H. Peterson. Used by permission of NavPress. All rights reserved. Represented by Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.

In this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, we’re asking: What is it that we do when things seem so horrific? What do we think? What do we want? What is our hope in situations like that? We'll see what Isaiah has to say about it. Rev. Trudy and Rev. Hannah – two of the female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego – use a progressive theological lens to visit the prophet Isaiah’s radical vision of God’s new world, delivered in Isaiah 65:17-25. They’re words delivered to ancient people who have been beaten down and lost all hope, and the pastors are surprised by how relevant it all still is. If you’re at a point in your life when you want to burn everything down and start over again, this episode is for you. If you’d like to dive deeper into the themes of this digital Bible Study, we invite you to reflect on these questions: What words of comfort do you seek or use when everything is going wrong? How do you understand the way that things will get better? Do you make use of a holy pause to discern in difficult times? And if you’d like to discuss the topic with others, you’re invited to join one of our discussion groups: Convergence: In-Person, Sundays at 12 PM Patreon: Our online community offering chat and additional resources Our Patreon community is open to all — wherever you are on your spiritual journey. It’s free to join and connect over weekly questions, with optional paid tiers for bonus content and deeper engagement.

Progressive Christian Podcast on Faith, Justice & Reconciliation — Weekly Scripture: Micah 6:8 — “Do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with God.” Join Rev. Brittany and special guest Leo Djamson for an inspiring and deeply honest conversation about faith, racial justice, and cultural understanding through the lens of First United Methodist Church of San Diego’s Sankofa Pilgrimage to Ghana – exploring the lasting effects of the transatlantic slave trade and how it’s shaped the beautifully diverse and resilient people of Ghana. It’s an impactful journey of discovery for all involved regardless of heritage, upbringing, personal experiences, and political beliefs. This pilgrimage is one of the ways that the church lives out Micah’s call to act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with God. It’s all about embracing racial justice and loving kindly as we uncover and unpack some of the history of our ancestors that influence our implicit biases and contribute to today’s continuing racial tensions. Leo is a member of church who grew up in Ghana. Listen in as he shares about his childhood, how Ghana shaped his life, and the cultural similarities and differences than the US. They also discuss the misconceptions the US has about west Africa and how Ghana honors its history and participation in the transatlantic slave trade. This conversation models an effective, healthy way to connect with others at a deeper, more meaningful level to expand our awareness and appreciation of other cultures – finding shared experiences as well as the mosaic of beautiful differences that shape the way we interact with and understand the world and our communities. We invite you to continue this conversation model! Join our in-person Convergence group or our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Our groups are open to all — wherever you are on your spiritual journey. As a progressive church, we provide a safe space to dig deeper into your faith and beliefs. About the Sankofa Pilgrimage: The Sankofa Pilgrimage is more than a trip. It is a sacred journey of study, travel, and reflection, rooted in the West African Adinkra symbol Sankofa, which means “It is not foolish to go back and get that which you have forgotten.” Together, pilgrims remember the humanity of all people, confront painful truths about the church’s complicity in racism, and explore how God is calling us to be builders of justice and reconciliation today. The Sankofa Pilgrimage welcomes people of all faith backgrounds. Teens 14+ may attend with a trusted adult. Classroom learning is free and open to everyone, even for those not traveling.

Based on John 21:1-13 In this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast, Rev. Hannah and Rev. Trudy wrap-up the Our Money Story stewardship series. They explore what it means to respond to God’s call — both personally and as a faith community. Inspired by the “postscript” chapter of John’s Gospel, this conversation dives into the miraculous breakfast on the shore: a moment that combines miracle, relationship, and eucharist — reminding us that the resurrection isn’t just about following Jesus, but about how we live, belong, and serve together. Join the female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego as they unpack what this story means for our stewardship journey: How do we respond to God’s invitation when we feel empty or discouraged? What does it mean to bring what we have — our time, talent, and treasure — to feed the community? How can we honor our different gifts and responses as part of one thriving body of faith? This is a story of recommissioning — a reminder that the call continues and the story is still being written. We invite you to continue to think about how we can respond to God’s call as a faith community today. Join our in-person Convergence group or our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: Have you ever had to keep trying even when there were no results from your efforts? Have you ever responded “No” to God? Have you ever said “Yes,” and were unexpectedly blessed in doing so? Our Patreon community is open to all — wherever you are on your spiritual journey. It’s free to join and connect over weekly questions, with optional paid tiers for bonus content and deeper engagement. Series Recap: Our Money Story invited us to reimagine how we view and use our resources — not just as individuals, but as a community called to generosity, participation, and response. Be sure to check out the other episodes in the series!

In this week’s episode, Rev. Brittany and Rev. Trudy continue the Our Money Story series with a deep dive into the concept of Jubilee — one of the “holiness codes” of Leviticus. What does it mean to live a life of holiness, stewardship, and community in a world that often feels far from those ideals? As the people of Israel prepared to enter the Promised Land, they were asked to imagine a new way of living — one marked by rest, release, and restoration. The Jubilee year invited them to reset by freeing servants and forgiving debts. It was a remembrance that everything ultimately belongs to God. The female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego explore: • How holiness is dynamic — something practiced with intention and vigilance • What Jubilee teaches us about community, stewardship, and freedom • Why imagining a new way of being is the first step toward living it • How modern communities can embody Jubilee through inclusion, acceptance, and generosity Through the digital Bible study, we’re reminded that even though Jubilee may seem impossible to live out on a large scale, there’s incredible power in small, grassroots acts of forgiveness and freedom. We invite you to continue to reimagine Jubilee for the modern world. Join our in-person Convergence group or our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd to discuss the questions for this episode: What would you imagine if Jubilee was practiced? What would you do if all of your debts were forgiven? What do you think would surprise you if you learned a little more about someone who was living on the streets? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

Rev. Hannah and Rev. Brittany are back in the Video Studio continuing their discussion on money, the church, and what it means for modern Christians. This time, they’re talking about the concept of helping community members by opening our hands and hearts and releasing debts, providing financial freedom and relief to others. It’s a conversation they’ve titled: Our Money Story – Release. The two female pastors are inspired by Deuteronomy 15 and God’s vision of releasing debts, providing rest, and granting freedom every seventh year. Through the biblical passage, they notice it’s a story of abundance, acknowledging that as a church community, we’ll always have more than enough, so there is no need for an inward focus of hoarding personal assets instead of having an external focus of communal support and prosperity. They describe it in this straightforward way of thinking: If you have, you give. The women clergy of First United Methodist Church of San Diego also use this digital Bible Study to discuss: The shifting definition of Sabbath from the nomadic times of Exodus to the agricultural community of Deuteronomy. The coexistence of personal economy and communal economy. God isn’t calling for charity; they’re local for a system that doesn’t allow for deep debt with no hope of financial freedom. The difference between the rhythm of grace and the rhythm of greed. There are a lot of concepts packed into this short conversation, so we encourage you to engage with others as you uncover your thoughts about financial release. You can do so through our in-person Convergence group or joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: What would “release” look like in our world today? What would it mean to stop the relentless cycle of debt — emotional, financial, spiritual — that keeps people captive? What could we let go of to create space for everyone’s wellbeing in the community? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

The female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego are kicking off a new conversation series: “Our Money Story.” Money is at the root of so many conflicts, so these talks are sure to be interesting! First up, Rev. Hannah and Rev. Brittany look back at Exodus 16:1-8 with a conversation titled “Remember.” If you listened to our podcast last year, you may recall we had a similar series, focusing on personal and family money stories. But this year, we’re focused on the money story of the institutional church. With this theme of remembrance, the women clergy encourage us to look back at the past money stories of the church to understand the challenges and victories we may face today and in the future. Some themes and ideas they uncover include: The fear of not having enough, leading to scarcity mindset and hoarding. The psychological theory Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and how it applies to the ancient Israelites. How our past experiences guide current decisions, even when our financial situation is different. The need to pool resources as a church to ensure everyone’s needs are met. Ultimately, they ask: If our resources come from God, who should authority of it over God? Why do we control resources and gatekeep what others can access? It’s a lot to consider, so we encourage you to engage in conversations with others as you dig deep to uncover your thoughts about money and the church. You can do so through our in-person Convergence group or joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: What does this passage say about God's care for the vulnerable? Where in your life are you being asked to trust in "daily bread" rather than long-term certainty? What does “enough” look like for you? How do you experience God’s provision: spiritually, emotionally, or materially in the wilderness of your life? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

The female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego are kicking off a new conversation series: “Our Money Story.” Money is at the root of so many conflicts, so these talks are sure to be interesting! First up, Rev. Hannah and Rev. Brittany look back at Exodus 16:1-8 with a conversation titled “Remember.” If you listened to our podcast last year, you may recall we had a similar series, focusing on personal and family money stories. But this year, we’re focused on the money story of the institutional church. With this theme of remembrance, the women clergy encourage us to look back at the past money stories of the church to understand the challenges and victories we may face today and in the future. Some themes and ideas they uncover include: The fear of not having enough, leading to scarcity mindset and hoarding. The psychological theory Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and how it applies to the ancient Israelites. How our past experiences guide current decisions, even when our financial situation is different. The need to pool resources as a church to ensure everyone’s needs are met. Ultimately, they ask: If our resources come from God, who should authority of it over God? Why do we control resources and gatekeep what others can access? It’s a lot to consider, so we encourage you to engage in conversations with others as you dig deep to uncover your thoughts about money and the church. You can do so through our in-person Convergence group or joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: What does this passage say about God's care for the vulnerable? Where in your life are you being asked to trust in "daily bread" rather than long-term certainty? What does “enough” look like for you? How do you experience God’s provision: spiritually, emotionally, or materially in the wilderness of your life? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

In this week’s podcast, Rev. Trudy and Rev. Hannah of First United Methodist Church of San Diego confront the hypocrisy of the church through the ages as they wrap up the conversation series: “What We Really Mean When We Talk About…” They look to the Old Testament Book of Isaiah to see if today’s shifts in the church are new to modern culture, or if definition of worship and church have changed since the biblical times. (Spoiler alert: Our current moment in culture isn’t as unique as we may think from a church perspective!) The conversation has a lot of twists and turns – looking back at the past – to inform and bring comfort to those who are seeking new ways to experience worship and church in our forever changing environment. It’s a lot to consider, so we encourage you to engage in conversations with others as you dig deep to uncover your thoughts about church. You can do so through our in-person Convergence group or joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: Why is it so hard to encourage people to live in faith, not just engage to worship practices? What is the connection between worship and living in faith? If the church is not the be all and end all, what do you think it is meant to be? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

In this week’s podcast, Rev. Trudy and Rev. Hannah of First United Methodist Church of San Diego confront the hypocrisy of the church through the ages as they wrap up the conversation series: “What We Really Mean When We Talk About…” They look to the Old Testament Book of Isaiah to see if today’s shifts in the church are new to modern culture, or if definition of worship and church have changed since the biblical times. (Spoiler alert: Our current moment in culture isn’t as unique as we may think from a church perspective!) The conversation has a lot of twists and turns – looking back at the past – to inform and bring comfort to those who are seeking new ways to experience worship and church in our forever changing environment. It’s a lot to consider, so we encourage you to engage in conversations with others as you dig deep to uncover your thoughts about church. You can do so through our in-person Convergence group or joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: Why is it so hard to encourage people to live in faith, not just engage to worship practices? What is the connection between worship and living in faith? If the church is not the be all and end all, what do you think it is meant to be? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany are back in the video studio for our digital Bible study to once again answer “What We Really Mean When We Talk About…” And this time they’re discussing their view on Scripture – stating that it’s not perfect but inspiring. It’s part of our ongoing conversation series where the female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego give their progressive theological viewpoint on different matters of faith. While some Christians view the Bible as the literal, inerrant word of God, these women argue the scripture wasn’t written by holy revelations but humans, making it imperative to know what was going on during Biblical times to understand the intent as we define what we believe and know of God. During the podcast episode, they tackle: The different between scripture and literature How they personally view scripture and its purpose in their life Why it’s important to interrogate scripture – and some of the questions you can use when doing so The Wesleyan quadrilateral The conversation is inspired by the Book of Job and offers a lot to consider, so we encourage you to engage with conversations with others as you dig deep to uncover your thoughts surround scripture. You can do so through our in-person Convergence group or joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: Do you think scripture is “final” or do you see it as part of an ongoing conversation with God and God’s people? Have you ever changed your mind about a passage of scripture after deeper study or new life experiences? What inconsistencies or contradictions have you noticed in scripture? How do you make sense of them? What absolute truth do you find in scripture? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

Rev. Trudy and Rev. Brittany are back in the video studio for our digital Bible study to once again answer “What We Really Mean When We Talk About…” And this time they’re discussing their view on Scripture – stating that it’s not perfect but inspiring. It’s part of our ongoing conversation series where the female pastors of First United Methodist Church of San Diego give their progressive theological viewpoint on different matters of faith. While some Christians view the Bible as the literal, inerrant word of God, these women argue the scripture wasn’t written by holy revelations but humans, making it imperative to know what was going on during Biblical times to understand the intent as we define what we believe and know of God. During the podcast episode, they tackle: The different between scripture and literature How they personally view scripture and its purpose in their life Why it’s important to interrogate scripture – and some of the questions you can use when doing so The Wesleyan quadrilateral The conversation is inspired by the Book of Job and offers a lot to consider, so we encourage you to engage with conversations with others as you dig deep to uncover your thoughts surround scripture. You can do so through our in-person Convergence group or joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: Do you think scripture is “final” or do you see it as part of an ongoing conversation with God and God’s people? Have you ever changed your mind about a passage of scripture after deeper study or new life experiences? What inconsistencies or contradictions have you noticed in scripture? How do you make sense of them? What absolute truth do you find in scripture? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

What should faithful living look like for today’s Christian? That’s what First UMC of San Diego pastors Revs. Hannah Ka and Brittany Juliette Hanlin discuss in this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. The digital Bible study is part of an ongoing conversation of the pastors as they answer the question “What We Really Mean When We Talk About…” from their progressive theological lens. Drawing from John 13:34-35 and the theological practices of the father of Methodism – John Wesley – the two females argue that it’s not enough to simply show up at church each week. As Christians, we need to apply Sunday learnings to our everyday living in how we show up in our relationship with God and those around us. But is it really as simple as that sounds? Be sure to watch or listen to find out. Then continue the conversation with others through our in-person Convergence group or by joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: How has Jesus loved you? How does that love influence the way you love others? Why does Jesus say love is the thing that proves we’re his followers? Can you really have a private faith without it showing up in how you treat people? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

What should faithful living look like for today’s Christian? That’s what First UMC of San Diego pastors Revs. Hannah Ka and Brittany Juliette Hanlin discuss in this episode of Perspectives FUMCSD Pastors Podcast. The digital Bible study is part of an ongoing conversation of the pastors as they answer the question “What We Really Mean When We Talk About…” from their progressive theological lens. Drawing from John 13:34-35 and the theological practices of the father of Methodism – John Wesley – the two females argue that it’s not enough to simply show up at church each week. As Christians, we need to apply Sunday learnings to our everyday living in how we show up in our relationship with God and those around us. But is it really as simple as that sounds? Be sure to watch or listen to find out. Then continue the conversation with others through our in-person Convergence group or by joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Here are the discussion questions for this episode: How has Jesus loved you? How does that love influence the way you love others? Why does Jesus say love is the thing that proves we’re his followers? Can you really have a private faith without it showing up in how you treat people? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

In this episode, Revs. Trudy Robinson and Hannah Ka continue the series “What We Really Mean When We Talk About …”—this time wrestling with the question: Who is Jesus, really? Drawing from Mark 9:38–40, where Jesus rebukes his disciples for excluding an outsider doing good in his name, they explore how Jesus’ life and ministry may have been far more inclusive than the exclusive claims often made by the institutional church. Together, they wrestle with the tension between Jesus as a universal embodiment of God’s love and the narrow gate Christianity has sometimes turned him into. It’s a thoughtful, sometimes challenging conversation about faith, identity, and what it means to follow Jesus in an interfaith and pluralistic world with a progressive understanding of theology. Continue the dialogue with others through our in-person Convergence group or by joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Discussion questions for this episode: What is your relationship with Jesus? How do you understand Jesus’ relationship to other faith traditions? Which shapes your faith more—the life and teachings of Jesus, or his death and resurrection? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

In this episode, Revs. Trudy Robinson and Hannah Ka continue the series “What We Really Mean When We Talk About …”—this time wrestling with the question: Who is Jesus, really? Drawing from Mark 9:38–40, where Jesus rebukes his disciples for excluding an outsider doing good in his name, they explore how Jesus’ life and ministry may have been far more inclusive than the exclusive claims often made by the institutional church. Together, they wrestle with the tension between Jesus as a universal embodiment of God’s love and the narrow gate Christianity has sometimes turned him into. It’s a thoughtful, sometimes challenging conversation about faith, identity, and what it means to follow Jesus in an interfaith and pluralistic world with a progressive understanding of theology. Continue the dialogue with others through our in-person Convergence group or by joining our online community at patreon.com/fumcsd. Discussion questions for this episode: What is your relationship with Jesus? How do you understand Jesus’ relationship to other faith traditions? Which shapes your faith more—the life and teachings of Jesus, or his death and resurrection? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

Join Rev. Hannah and Rev. Brittany’s fresh conversation in our series: “What We Really Mean When We Talk About …” This time, the female pastors look back to Genesis 1:2 to discuss the Holy Spirit, which may surprise some Christians, as we often think about the Holy Spirit coming on the scene at Pentecost in the Book of Acts. But the two reverends of First UMC of San Diego argue God’s Spirit is shown throughout the Bible and has been around since the beginning of time. Through this digital Bible study, the pastors talk about the Holy Spirit through a progressive theological lens in these ways: Whether there a difference between “the Spirit of God” and “the Holy Spirit” How the Holy Spirit is everywhere for everyone … not just Christians or humans in general The situation that prompted the ancient Jews to write Genesis What Genesis 1:2 and the Holy Spirit could mean for us today amidst the current chaos of our social climate Why we started and continue to try to contain the Holy Spirit and separate it from God It’s such a rich and interesting conversation but just starts to scratch the surface on everything that could be explored in relation to the Holy Spirit. So, we invite you to continue the conversation by our weekly in-person Convergence discussion group or heading over to our Patreon channel to discuss the following questions with others: When you hear “Holy Spirit,” what comes to mind? How does Genesis 1:2 help us see the Spirit at work today—in the world and in people’s lives? These words were written in exile, to people who felt hopeless. How might they bring comfort to us when we feel powerless and abandoned? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!

Join Rev. Hannah and Rev. Brittany’s fresh conversation in our series: “What We Really Mean When We Talk About …” This time, the female pastors look back to Genesis 1:2 to discuss the Holy Spirit, which may surprise some Christians, as we often think about the Holy Spirit coming on the scene at Pentecost in the Book of Acts. But the two reverends of First UMC of San Diego argue God’s Spirit is shown throughout the Bible and has been around since the beginning of time. Through this digital Bible study, the pastors talk about the Holy Spirit through a progressive theological lens in these ways: Whether there a difference between “the Spirit of God” and “the Holy Spirit” How the Holy Spirit is everywhere for everyone … not just Christians or humans in general The situation that prompted the ancient Jews to write Genesis What Genesis 1:2 and the Holy Spirit could mean for us today amidst the current chaos of our social climate Why we started and continue to try to contain the Holy Spirit and separate it from God It’s such a rich and interesting conversation but just starts to scratch the surface on everything that could be explored in relation to the Holy Spirit. So, we invite you to continue the conversation by our weekly in-person Convergence discussion group or heading over to our Patreon channel to discuss the following questions with others: When you hear “Holy Spirit,” what comes to mind? How does Genesis 1:2 help us see the Spirit at work today—in the world and in people’s lives? These words were written in exile, to people who felt hopeless. How might they bring comfort to us when we feel powerless and abandoned? Our Patreon community is open to all – no matter where you align in your spiritual beliefs. It’s free to join and connect over the weekly episode questions. There is also an optional paid membership that unlocks additional content. Check it out at https://www.patreon.com/fumcsd!