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Franny and Danez grace us with insight on being grown and dreaming toward the future. These former VS hosts talk with Brittany and Ajanaé about the way sobriety, domesticity, and clarity about their identities as writers is shaping their lives.  Resources:  Our Until Next Time Resource one-pager can be found on our twitter @Vsthepodcast Music Credits:  TAPE20.WAV by Dmonney : freesound.org This work is licensed under the Sampling+ License. Sound library for scratching (100 BPM) by Bronxio. This work is licensed under the Creative Commons 0 License. Backlog Beats » Late January.wav by PodcastAC This work is licensed under the Attribution 4.0 License. hop hop effects samples » urban hip 094554098543098.wav This work is licensed under the Creative Commons 0 License. Electonic Music This work is licensed under the Attribution 4.0 License. BUNCHA SOUNDS BOI! » Crowd Cheer.mp3 This work is licensed under the Creative Commons 0 License.

In October of 1871, the oldest University in Nashville TN, teetered on the brink of collapse. To survive, Fisk University staked its last $40 on a set of field hymns and 10 descendants of American slavery. The singing group carried melodies their families shared in secret from the cotton fields of middle Tennessee to the high court of the Queen of England. The landmark tours of the Fisk Jubilee Singers rescued a university, gave Nashville its identity, and set the course of American music.  One hundred fifty years later the journey of the Fisk Jubilee Singers continues. Immerse yourself in the music and voices of the original chorus and hear how their stories are transformed through poetry in this one-hour special “Three Castles and the Music City.” Produced in partnership with Nashville Public Radio [WPLN] Hosted by: Destiny Birdsong Co-Written and Produced by: Joshua Moore and Colleen Phelps Editing by: Anita Bugg Transcription by: Ayinde Jean-Baptiste Poets: Destiny Birdsong Ciona Rouse Bryan Byrdlong

All The Apostles are Black, All the Saints Queer, and All of Them Are Brave: towards a queer canon (Pt.2)  Hello, hi Beloveds! Welcome back to the second installment of our Roll Call episode. We are your hosts, Kopano Maroga and Maneo Mohale, and we are sluts for history and sluts for discourse and are going to be picking the brains of our fabulous guests Koleka Putuma (featured in part 1) and Nakhane (featured in part 2) speaking all things blackness, South Africanness, craft, microaggressions, white twinks and black queer ancestors. We are joined in these episodes by voicenote interludes from black, queer South African artists Gugulethu Duma (aka Dumama who opens and closes the show), Lindiwe Mngxitama and Kneo Mokgopa. Special thanks to our magnificent producer, Maia McDonald, and our generous mentors, Danez Smith and Jenna Wortham, for holding space for us and holding our hands through the process.  Big, black, slutty love! Maneo & Kopano Hosted by: Kopano Maroga and Maneo Mohale Featuring: Nakhane, Kneo Mokgopa, and Gugulethu Duma Produced by: Maia McDonald

All The Apostles are Black, All the Saints Queer, and All of Them Are Brave: towards a queer canon (Pt.1) Hello, hi Beloveds! We are Kopano Maroga and Maneo Mohale and we have the absolute honour of hosting this 2 part episode of Roll Call for you produced by the Poetry Foundation. We are sluts for history and sluts for discourse and are going to be picking the brains of our fabulous guests Koleka Putuma (featured in part 1) and Nakhane (featured in part 2) speaking all things blackness in these episodes. South Africanness, craft, microaggressions, white twinks and black queer ancestors. We are joined in these episodes by voicenote interludes from black, queer South African artists Gugulethu Duma (aka Dumama who opens and closes the show), Lindiwe Mngxitama and Kneo Mokgopa. Special thanks to our magnificent producer, Maia McDonald, and our generous mentors, Danez Smith and Jenna Wortham, for holding space for us and holding our hands through the process.  Big, black, slutty love! Maneo & Kopano Hosted by: Kopano Maroga and Maneo Mohale Featuring: Koleka Putuma, Gugulethu Duma, Lindiwe Mngxitama Produced by: Maia McDonald

In this episode, black feminist poet and performance artist Gabrielle Civil grapples with the slippery, urgent nature of black time, what she calls the déjà vu. She talks to fellow poets Rashidah Ismaili and jayy dodd, scholar Michelle M. Wright, and visionary six year old Naima about poetry and history, memories and the future. This episode offers sonic experiments, spotlight readings, and intimate chats to bring the déjà vu alive. (Also check out Gabrielle's new book the déjà vu, available 2/22/22.) Hosted by: Gabrielle Civil Featuring: Rashidah Ismaili, jayy dodd, Michelle M. Wright and Naima Produced by: Tyree Rush Transcription by: Kristen Jeré Poets: Octavia Butler Nikki Giovanni Alexis Pauline Gumbs

This episode is a roundtable discussion between Brittany, Maurisa, and Ajanaee. We discuss the way that friendship has sustained us and been the catalyst for our growth as writers. We also highlight other literary friendships that inspire and guide our practices (i.e Pat Parker and Audre Lorde, Cornelius Eady and Toi Derricotte, Willie Kinard and AsiahMae, etc) and how valuable community is to the development of Black writers. Hosted by: Maurisa Li-A-Ping, Brittany Rogers and Ajanae Dawkins Produced by: Camile Mojica Transcription by: Victor Jackson

When many people think of experimental Black poetry, they imagine Jazz, or spoken word, or vernacular--they "envision" sound. But what about poetry you can see? In this episode, Keith S. Wilson talks with poets Alison C. Rollins and Chaun Webster about visual poetry. What is it? Where does it come from?  What strange things does it do to our sense of time?

Show Description Can any label or identity explain our freedom, our community or history? How do you identify and what does it mean? In this special episode with Jasminne Mendez, Darrel Alejandro Holnes and Raina J. León explores the fluidity of terms and identity as Black Latinx,o,e,a people from the diaspora. Work featured by Toni Morrison, Aracelis Girmay, Alan Pelaez Lopez and Elizabeth Acevedo. Episode produced by Cin Pimentel. Transcription by Victor Jackson. Show Notes  Social Media for Darrel - @blackboytraveljoy (Insta) and darrelholnes.com (website) Books: Stepmotherland (Notre Dame University Press, 2022); Migrant Psalms (Northwestern University Press, 2021) Social Media for Raina - @rainaleon (IG, Twitter, Facebook) and rainaleon.com (website); @storyjoyinc on IG and Twitter and storyjoyinc.com and check out acentosreview.com and @acentosreview on IG and Twitter and Facebook Books and other work: Canticle of Idols ( CW Books, 2008); profeta without refuge (Nomadic Press, 2016); Areyto to Atabey: Essays on the Mother(ing) Self (Alley Cat Books, 2019); Boogeyman Dawn; sombra : (dis)locat Social Media for Jasminne - IG/Twitter: @jasminnemendez  Website: www.jasminnemendez.com Social Media for Cin- Cin Pim - cinpim.com  Additional list of Afro-Latinx authors to check out ★  Jasminne Mendez ★  Darrel Alejandro Holnes ★  Raina J. León ★  Dahlma Llanos-Figueroa ★  Grisel Y. Acosta ★  Willie Perdomo ★  Aracelis Girmay ★  Alan Pelaez Lopez ★  Ariana Brown ★  John Murillo ★  Elizabeth Acevedo ★  Thea Matthews ★  Kay Nilsson ★  Dizzy Jenkins ★  Avotcja ★  Yesenia Montilla  ★  Roberto Carlos Garcia ★  Mathew Rodriguez ★  Azuah ★  Adriana Herrera ★  Aya de León ★  Sulma Arzu-Brown Prompts for teachers considering teaching the podcast ★ When you consider the title of the podcast, What the water carries, what comes to mind? ★ Listen to the quotation from Toni Morrison. What does it mean to you?         ○ Read the essay, The Site of Memory, after you have listened to the podcast. How are the ideas of the podcast and the essay in conversation with one another? ★ In this prompt, watch Aracelis Girmay read another section from The Black Maria. Have you ever been suspected of doing or being something or someone you are not?  Write about that. In partners, tell this story to someone else. After you have shared this story, tell your partner who you are or how you want to be seen and in answer, your partner should say, “I see you you for who you are and who you want to be”. Write about what it is to hear that sentence from someone who is not your family or dearest friend. ★ Consider the term Latinx? What does it mean for you? One of the poets mentioned, Alan Pelaez Lopez, talks about how the “x” is a sign of a wound, not a trend. What do they mean? How does the essay complicate your understanding of what it means to be Latinx? ★ What are the songs that you keep on repeat, the songs that you need to hear over and over again, the songs that reveal an important part of who you are? Listen to “La Rebelión” by Joe Arroyo. Now read the poem from Elizabeth Acevedo mentioned in the podcast. Follow Acevedo's form to write your own poem         ○ First stanza: reveal a memory of a particular moment when you heard that song you love         ○ Second stanza: incorporate a line or a word from the song you love and how it connects to your body or reveals who you are         ○ Third stanza: tell us about the place around this memory.  Where is the story you are telling taking place?         ○ Fourth stanza: Show is you dancing or moving to this music that you treasure.

Friends, we've reached the end–Franny, Danez, and producer Daniel say their goodbyes after five wonderful years as the crew of VS. The team reminisces on some of their favorite moments from the show, tells some behind the scenes gems, and gets a lil weepy by the end. As we say in the episode, we are so deeply grateful to have had the opportunity to create this show for you. Thank you for your ears, time, attention, and love.  Stay subscribed for VS Presents Roll Call, a limited series launching early 2022 about the past, present, and futures of Black poetry, as well as VS season 6 with our new hosts and producer! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review

On our last guest interview (oh god!), the squad is joined by masterful poet and overall champion Rachel McKibbens. Recording from the spooky, amazing bar she runs in Rochester, Rachel breaks down her comfort with violence, the power of stopping without providing an ending, the joy and uniqueness of her Pink Door retreat, and much more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

We're dancing in the reflection pool with the inimitable Sarah Kay. On this penultimate interview led by Franny and Danez, the magnificent poet and poetry community member talks about what happened when she turned internal in the pandemic, the relationship between public persona and personal growth, and the gift of connecting with the form that she's trying to pay forward to as many people as possible. Savor this convo, pals–we're almost at the end of the road! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Douglas Kearney is developing some new armor for his people. The visionary poet breaks down how he is exploring the limits and possibilities of poems as protection, how he loves to share what he's learned across generations, the power of drum machine prosody, and much more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Cyrée Jarelle Johnson knows how to find satisfaction on the page. The brilliant poet breaks down where satisfaction lives in his poems, where the confessional meets the surreal, how sexy poetic form can be, and much more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

George Abraham is ready to return. The Palestinian-American poet and professor talks with Franny and Danez about the experience of revisiting their first book Birthright, carving a past and future for themselves in the face of colonialism and homophobia, learning to spur their readers into action, and much more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Evie Shockley is ready to bring us together. The poet, critic, and professor breaks down how she builds spaces to gather and exchange in her poems, the lineages she pulls from, balancing her critical and artistic lenses, and much more. Plus, some VERY important info about next season of VS! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review

Aria Aber knows how to find the space between the buildings, the beauty in the ruins. The poet talks with Franny and Danez about her masterful book Hard Damage, sharing the fragments of her past with her family, writing toward city and landscape, and much more.  NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

The illustrious francine j. harris is in the proverbial building, and we couldn't be more thrilled. The award-winning poet breaks down the transformative potential of being a hater, mourning the loss of anonymity at the open mic, championing the poets she's in lineage of, and much much more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Cynthia Dewi Oka writes across generations, and what emerges is spectacular. The poet talks with Franny and Danez about flipping spectacle on its head as a way of subverting power, bringing both her mother and her son into the creative process, writing surreality as a young mother, and much more. This is a gem, y'all! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Destiny O. Birdsong is happy to up to her elbows in the mess of life. The poet, essayist, and fiction writer talks about the joy of creating complex characters, writing auto-fiction, building books from a joke, and much more! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Come dance in the unknown with Shira Erlichman! Franny and Danez talk with the brilliant poet and musician about how she's always thrived in the mystery, what she has learned about transformation from both her mental health journey and meditation practice, first draft explosions, her study of death and dying over the course of the pandemic, and much more! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Carmen Giménez Smith is ready to get down to the word. The poet and editor takes a deep dive with Franny and Danez into how she approaches editing, how she pushes writers to build off of the most effective parts of their poems, how she takes in feedback from her peers, and much more.  NOTE: VS is nominated for a WEBBY!!!! Vote for us here. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Tommy Pico might not like games, but he came to play. The poet, screenwriter, and podcaster talks about adjusting to life off of the road, stepping into a role in a TV writers room, beginning to write as a social media practice, instinct vs. taste, the texture of balls on one’s taint, and so much more. Plus, a fastpunch round for the ages! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Taylor Johnson is listening, and they’re inviting you to listen too. The poet, whose first collection Inheritance was released into the world last year on Alice James Books, talks with our fearless hosts about how they’re listening for the sounds, colors, words, and structures they’re encountering, what they learn when they listen, and much much more.  NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

We’re off over the rainbow with the wonderful wizard of this pod, Suzi F. Garcia! The poet and editor takes Franny and Danez on a deep dive into the nuances and oddities of The Wizard of Oz, and it’s a wild wild world. Come down the yellow brick road with the squad! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Monica Sok is on the pod! Franny and Danez talk with the author of A Nail the Evening Hangs On, which came out in 2020 on Copper Canyon, about working through a traumatic collective history and coming out the other side, the delight of learning Khmer in pandemic times, finding a home for her mind, and much much more. This one is a gem, friends! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

torrin greathouse is in the VS house! The author of Wound from the Mouth of a Wound, Torrin talks about queering form with the utmost intention, examining what community actually means, returning to martial arts after many years, searching for truth in journalism and poetry, and much more! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Franny and Danez get to talk to a poet they’ve stanned for many a year–Eduardo Corral! A poet and Professor at NC State, Eduardo’s newest book Guillotine came out last year. He talks about writing into loneliness, sticking with the wound, the sublimity of bad reality TV, and much more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Franny and Danez get to talk to a poet they’ve stanned for many a year–Eduardo Corral! A poet and Professor at NC State, Eduardo’s newest book Guillotine came out last year. He talks about writing into loneliness, sticking with the wound, the sublimity of bad reality TV, and much more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

The VS fam returns to kick off Season 5! After an announcement about the future of the show, we get into a great conversation with the wonderful poet Ada Limón. We talk birds, epiphanies, loneliness, and much more. Plus, a new game and a goofy-ass outro. Enjoy! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

VS Season 4 wraps up with a whisper, a bang, a smile, and a hug from Naomi Shihab Nye! The legendary poet brings a fistful of sunshine to her conversation with Franny and Danez about learning from her four year-old grandson, holding onto hope and wonder, the magic and utility of child brain, creating welcoming poems, and so much more.  NOTE: VS is going to be taking its customary break between seasons, but will be returning for a fifth season next year. Stay tuned for updates! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Franny and Danez get their hands dirty with the inimitable Aracelis Girmay! The prolific and wonderful poet talks about the childhood joy of dirt, parenting in a pandemic, how she centers truth in her poetry, and much more. Plus, we start off with a potential new name for the show…? NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

On this episode, we get to talk on this episode with the legend, superstar, and self-proclaimed “baby yoda” Marilyn Chin. We talk about her long journey toward building Asian-American poetics, being the Nicki Minaj for so many young writers (in that all of these bitches are her sons), how she’s balancing quarantine with Youtube rabbit holes, and so much more. Plus, the play-by-play of a legendary physical brawl, in which she scraped with a beloved American poet. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Ladan Osman steps into the stu with a knowledge of her journey and a commitment to share. The poet and filmmaker talks about how she has traversed the complex and scarring world of the poetry industry, the ways that she pushed herself toward making different media, what she hopes for the poets emerging in her wake, and much more. Plus, some quality shoutouts to the bees and important postcolonial board game critiques. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Ladan Osman steps into the stu with a knowledge of her journey and a commitment to share. The poet and filmmaker talks about how she has traversed the complex and scarring world of the poetry industry, the ways that she pushed herself toward making different media, what she hopes for the poets emerging in her wake, and much more. Plus, some quality shoutouts to the bees and important postcolonial board game critiques. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Ladan Osman steps into the stu with a knowledge of her journey and a commitment to share. The poet and filmmaker talks about how she has traversed the complex and scarring world of the poetry industry, the ways that she pushed herself toward making different media, what she hopes for the poets emerging in her wake, and much more. Plus, some quality shoutouts to the bees and important postcolonial board game critiques. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Nandi Comer climbs in the ring with Franny and Danez for this wonderful, warm episode of VS. The Detroiter, whose new book Tapping Out is available now from Northwestern University Press, talks about her love of lucha libre mexican wrestling, writing into a tradition that isn’t her own, the ways that academia can rob poets of their humanity, and DETROIT! Pick up Nandi’s book Tapping Out here: https://nupress.northwestern.edu/content/tapping-out NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Danez and Franny have the honor and pleasure of chopping it up with the brilliant Randall Horton on this episode of the show. Randall, whose newest collection {#289-128}: Poems just dropped this month, talks about coming to know his story so that he could eventually write about it, resisting being boxed in as a poet who was incarcerated, and what he’s learned from his collaborations with jazz musicians. Get into it! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review

Carl Phillips swings by the zoodio (zoom studio) for a ticklish and insightful convo on this episode. The poet and professor talks about the power of interiority, how his relationship to the erotic has changed as he’s grown older, and much more.  NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Ross Gay joins VS with his boisterous laugh and brilliance on hand. The poet and professor breaks down the ways we’re all entangled, the elegant lessons mycelium can teach us for a post-capitalist world, getting undergrads to write sock puppet operas, and much more! Buy Ross’ new book Be Holding: https://upittpress.org/books/9780822966234/ NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Airea D. Matthews knows her ghosts. The poet and professor talks with Franny and Danez about the spectres and phantasms that live in her work, the ways she wants her poems to exist beyond paper and ink, the journey back to her original name. Plus, a dollop of Greek myth on top! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

Aurielle Marie hops on the line, and the line will never be the same. The poet and organizer talks about the ways that her poetics and movement work are interwoven, her decision to walk away from a book deal, and much more!  See more of Aurielle’s work: https://auriellemarie.com/ NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review

Danez and Franny hop on the ole zoom zoom with legendary poet and beard icon John Murillo. John talks about his new book Kontemporary Amerikan Poetry, learning how to focus on the work instead of po-biz, remembering who he writes for, and much more. Plus, a hilarious story involving a staged adulterous act. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!