Come Get Your White People

Wanda and Lissa wrap up their discussion of the movie Sinners. They discuss the relatability of the characters and praise the movie for being unapologetically Black.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda and Lissa continue their discussion of the movie Sinners. They talk about the relationships of the characters and what scenes stood out to them.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda and Lissa discuss the movie Sinners. They share their initial reactions to the film, and why they found it so impactful.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda talks about how to build a conscious, real community and the importance of taking action. She also provides a few questions for you to ask yourself this week.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda continues her conversation with former client Danielle Riley. Danielle shares how her life has changed since her coaching and talks about the actions she continues to take as a direct result of her work with Start By Talking.   Learn more about Danielle at @daniellerileyy   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda talks with former client Danielle Riley. They discuss Danielle's experience working with Start By Talking, how things have changed in her life since her coaching, and how she still applies what she learned in her life today.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

In part 2, Wanda shares more about the offers Start By Talking currently has available. Hear how you can start, or continue, your anti-oppressive journey.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda reminisces on the first five-ish years of Start By Talking and shares what is going on now.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

This episode is for every person who is yelling, “Where are the Black folx?” Wanda shares where Black folx are, and outlines the liberatory work you need to do.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda discusses the 2025 Super Bowl halftime show and explains why your reaction to it is connected to racism. She shares her thoughts on the multilayered, nuanced show and the ways it was a message to America, not just Drake.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda wishes everyone a happy Black History Month! She talks about how she is celebrating and shares other rambling thoughts.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda shares about life lately, what Start By Talking is up to, and what to expect this year. Email us any topics you would like to hear discussed, and join us on the road to liberation, because it is time for change.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda and Lissa are diving into the SBT vault to revisit a timeless conversation. If you're a newer listener, you might have missed the original three from 2021, where we introduced the groundbreaking Five Profiles of White Womanhood. This December, we're bringing these episodes back to encourage honest self-reflection. Which profile resonates with you? Happy listening!   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda and Lissa are diving into the SBT vault to revisit a timeless conversation. If you're a newer listener, you might have missed the original three from 2021, where we introduced the groundbreaking Five Profiles of White Womanhood. This December, we're bringing these episodes back to encourage honest self-reflection. Which profile resonates with you? Happy listening!   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda and Lissa are diving into the SBT vault to revisit a timeless conversation. If you're a newer listener, you might have missed the original three from 2021, where we introduced the groundbreaking Five Profiles of White Womanhood. This December, we're bringing these episodes back to encourage honest self-reflection. Which profile resonates with you? Happy listening!   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda and Lissa are diving into the SBT vault to revisit a timeless conversation. If you're a newer listener, you might have missed the original episode three from 2021, where we introduced the groundbreaking Five Profiles of White Womanhood. This December, we're bringing these episodes back to encourage honest self-reflection. Which profile resonates with you? Happy listening!   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda explains that White women don't know how to build community because they have been socially conditioned to not value what it would take to do that. Hear why blue bracelets don't help, and what you need to do instead to build a liberatory community.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanday discusses the results of the 2024 Election and shares what it means for us all. She talks about how people are feeling and what you should do now.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda shares what is coming up in November. Hear about the exciting and important things happening in November, and how you can get involved.   Learn more about The Swan Center for Advocacy & Research's Anti-Violence Professionals Appreciation Week at https://www.swancenteradvocacy.org/apaw   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda talks about her recent experience at Buc-ee's. She shares how she felt there and how she was reminded just how comfortable White Supremacy is.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

*TRIGGER WARNING* This episode contains content about violence that may be triggering for some individuals. Listen with care.   Wanda discusses Diddy again and shares how Diddy is just a very small player in White Supremacy. The fact is that this system will never honor Blackness as it is currently set up.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

As we wrap up this month's discussion about Blackness, Wanda tells you what Blackness is. If you have a problem with Blackness, your problem stems from what Whiteness strategically does.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda and Lissa are taking a break this week to celebrate Lissa's birthday! They'll be back next week to wrap up this month's series on understanding Blackness.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda continues discussing Blackness, with a focus on racial socialization. Learn about Harro's Cycle of Socialization, and hear another journal prompt for you to focus on this week.   Find more information on the Cycle of Socialization here: https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2021-02/Cycle%20of%20Socialization%20HARRO.pdf   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda explains why we have to talk about Blackness. She offers two questions for you to consider as you explore what you think you know about Blackness.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda shares why one of the most important things a Black Entrepreneur can do is to have a community space. She discusses the coaching and community offered by Start By Talking and how you can find a safe community there.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

We continue highlighting Black Entrepreneurs and Wanda talks with Kierra Taylor. Kierra is a multi-talented published author who shares the story of her journey into entrepreneurship.   If you'd like to learn more about Kierra, connect with her on Instagram @blu_b3auty and on Facebook. You can purchase her book, Sticky Situations, at www.stickysituationsgg.com.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

This month, we are highlighting Black Entrepreneurs. In this episode, Wanda talks with Alli Brice, owner of Gracious Devine, a home health care business. Alli shares her experience with entrepreneurship and what differentiates her business within the healthcare industry.   If you'd like to learn more about Gracious Devine Home Health Care, visit www.graciousdevinehomehealthcare.net   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda shares a love letter for Black Women. Black Women, as we get closer to November, it is important for you to take care of yourself with rest, nourishment, and community.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda discusses everything that happened in June. She shares the goals that they had, the plans that they made, and what all they accomplished.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda is joined by wordsmith and storyteller Marlon Bradley. Marlon shares his experience with Black Cowboy culture and what he learned as the son of a Black Cowboy.   Connect with Marlon on Instagram @mbradleythewordsmith and Patreon.   BBC: The Black Cowboys of the Mississippi Delta https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p07qcdvs/the-black-cowboys-of-the-mississippi-delta   Black Cowboys podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/black-cowboys/id1552923641   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda provides an introduction to the upcoming series that will explore the history of Black Cowboy and Cowgirl culture. You'll hear from various people with unique experiences as we disrupt the idea of the White, Western Cowboy.   BBC: The Black Cowboys of the Mississippi Delta https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p07qcdvs/the-black-cowboys-of-the-mississippi-delta   Black Cowboys podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/black-cowboys/id1552923641   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

As Wanda wraps up the conversation about Diddy, she reminds us that we need to stop conflating queer relationships with sexual predatory behavior.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda continues the discussion about Diddy and reviews the full timeline of events to outline the facts in this situation.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda talks about Diddy and how the recent news is more evidence of all the ways the collective has become comfortable not believing Black women.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda discusses the recent TikTok trend, the Black wife effect, and competency. She considers what it means for the collective to see, react to, and reiterate really harmful elements of our history.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda continues her conversation about what is happening at universities. She points out that  these students are disrupting systems and co-creating worlds we all deserve, and it is contagious.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda talks about the university students who have been actively protesting the genocide happening in Palestine. She discusses the ways they are being shown how low down White Supremacy can be once it marks you as being subhuman.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda discusses the ways in which professional spaces default to the ideologies of Whiteness. She shares why we should extract Whiteness from professionalism, and what it will take to get there.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

Wanda talks about Beyonce's new album, Cowboy Carter, and how two things can be true at the same time. Hear Wanda's opinion of the album along with a discussion about Black capitalism and why it is not the answer for liberation.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda is joined by PLA participant, Kristen Herman. Kristen shares everything PLA has given her, why she loves the program, and how she has bonded with everyone in her cohort. Kristen explains that she was initially intimidated about joining PLA, but now she is so glad she did.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda discusses soul loss and genocide and explains why you need the Practice Liberation Academey. She shares how PLA helps reconnect you to your own humanity, which is a part of soul retrieval.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda continues her conversation with Maria Williams Howard, a participant from Cohort 2 of the Practice Liberation Academy. Maria talks about the fears she had before joining PLA, what makes PLA unique, and what she would say to others who are considering joining PLA.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda talks with Maria Williams Howard, a participant from Cohort 2 of the Practice Liberation Academy. As Cohort 2 wraps up, Maria shares her perspective about participating. Hear why she calls it a life changing experience.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda talks about the intersection of White Women, genocide, and the wellness industry. She encourages you to check in with your favorite influencers. Consider what they have asked you to do that will allow you to disrupt current systems that directly impact one's health and wellness.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda continues the discussion about race hustling. She asks why a Black woman being compensated for her labor is so upsetting to a system that is sustained by violence.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda discusses the concept of “race hustling” and how recent accusations are examples of extinction bursts. Some people are struggling to come to terms with the fact that Whiteness is not impressive to everyone. So keep going, we must be doing something right!   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com

As we enter Black History Month, Wanda explains why she's not creating new content to teach White People about Black history. She challenges everyone to celebrate Black History month out loud everywhere you go.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Wanda discusses the recent outrage over the Barbie movie and the convenience of white feminism. White Women have shown, yet again, that they have the power to create change but are not interested in change happening.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

We are tired…for so many reasons. Wanda checks in on you and asks you to consider what you need right now. Take care of yourself and take the rest you need to divest from a system that only wins if you allow yourself to be sacrificed.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com  

Lissa Swan is on the podcast to share her journey to liberation. She explains how she transitioned from the corporate world to entrepreneur life and discusses the work she did, and continues to do, to unravel White Supremacy. When is it going to be your turn to work towards liberation for all?   Join the Anti-Oppressive Supervision Program at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/anti-oppressive-supervision   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Learn more at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to sbtinfo@wanswan.com