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In the late ‘80s, two MCC San Francisco ministers wrote an article called “We Are the Church Alive, the Church with AIDS.” We wanted to know how a gay/lesbian church came to call itself “a church with AIDS.” The answers lie in the years before our audio archive begins. So we started asking people. We explore two stories in what's likely a more complicated shift. One story is about a pair of religion geeks who learned to make queer church in New York during the early years of the AIDS crisis and then came to San Francisco to lead MCCSF. And the other is how an Easter Sunday ritual made the Christian hope of life through death viscerally real. “We Are the Church Alive, the Church with AIDS,” by Kittredge Cherry and Jamies Mitulski was published in the Christian Century on January 27, 1988. For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-3. Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Production credits:  When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  “We See You God” is a variation on the anonymously written hymn “We See the Lord.” The soloist in “I Lift Mine Eyes Up” is Bob Crocker. It's by Antonin Dvorak, Biblical Songs, Op. 99, no. 9 on Psalm 121.  “Hush, Hush. Somebody's Calling My Name” is a traditional African American spiritual.  Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible.   Some links to good groups: The Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco – the congregation's current website.  Metropolitan Community Churches – the denomination of which MCC San Francisco is a part.  San Francisco AIDS Foundation – a place to seek information about HIV.  POZ Magazine – a place to learn everything else about HIV (information included). Save AIDS Research – their recent, epic 24 hours to Save Research conference with all the latest HIV research is available on YouTube through this site.   LGBTQ Religious Archives Network – the place to get lost in LGBTQ+ religious history. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the late ‘80s, two MCC San Francisco ministers wrote an article called “We Are the Church Alive, the Church with AIDS.” We wanted to know how a gay/lesbian church came to call itself “a church with AIDS.” The answers lie in the years before our audio archive begins. So we started asking people. We explore two stories in what's likely a more complicated shift. One story is about a pair of religion geeks who learned to make queer church in New York during the early years of the AIDS crisis and then came to San Francisco to lead MCCSF. And the other is how an Easter Sunday ritual made the Christian hope of life through death viscerally real. “We Are the Church Alive, the Church with AIDS,” by Kittredge Cherry and Jamies Mitulski was published in the Christian Century on January 27, 1988. For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-3. Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Production credits:  When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  “We See You God” is a variation on the anonymously written hymn “We See the Lord.” The soloist in “I Lift Mine Eyes Up” is Bob Crocker. It's by Antonin Dvorak, Biblical Songs, Op. 99, no. 9 on Psalm 121.  “Hush, Hush. Somebody's Calling My Name” is a traditional African American spiritual.  Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible.   Some links to good groups: The Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco – the congregation's current website.  Metropolitan Community Churches – the denomination of which MCC San Francisco is a part.  San Francisco AIDS Foundation – a place to seek information about HIV.  POZ Magazine – a place to learn everything else about HIV (information included). Save AIDS Research – their recent, epic 24 hours to Save Research conference with all the latest HIV research is available on YouTube through this site.   LGBTQ Religious Archives Network – the place to get lost in LGBTQ+ religious history. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the late ‘80s, two MCC San Francisco ministers wrote an article called “We Are the Church Alive, the Church with AIDS.” We wanted to know how a gay/lesbian church came to call itself “a church with AIDS.” The answers lie in the years before our audio archive begins. So we started asking people. We explore two stories in what's likely a more complicated shift. One story is about a pair of religion geeks who learned to make queer church in New York during the early years of the AIDS crisis and then came to San Francisco to lead MCCSF. And the other is how an Easter Sunday ritual made the Christian hope of life through death viscerally real. “We Are the Church Alive, the Church with AIDS,” by Kittredge Cherry and Jamies Mitulski was published in the Christian Century on January 27, 1988. For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-3. Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Production credits:  When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  “We See You God” is a variation on the anonymously written hymn “We See the Lord.” The soloist in “I Lift Mine Eyes Up” is Bob Crocker. It's by Antonin Dvorak, Biblical Songs, Op. 99, no. 9 on Psalm 121.  “Hush, Hush. Somebody's Calling My Name” is a traditional African American spiritual.  Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible.   Some links to good groups: The Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco – the congregation's current website.  Metropolitan Community Churches – the denomination of which MCC San Francisco is a part.  San Francisco AIDS Foundation – a place to seek information about HIV.  POZ Magazine – a place to learn everything else about HIV (information included). Save AIDS Research – their recent, epic 24 hours to Save Research conference with all the latest HIV research is available on YouTube through this site.   LGBTQ Religious Archives Network – the place to get lost in LGBTQ+ religious history. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1993, more than 10 years into the AIDS epidemic, the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco (MCC-SF) tries to remember all they've lost. We think about remembering too after encountering an archive of 1,200 cassette recordings of this queer church's services during the height of the epidemic. Whether you're a regular church goer or would never step into one, we invite you to spend time with this LGBTQ+ San Francisco church as it struggles to reconcile sexuality and faith in the midst of an existential crisis.  For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-1. About the montage: The worship service in this episode was on February 28, 1993. The Dyke March proclamation was written and read by Rev. Lea Brown. Rev. Karen Foster read the statement that sexual orientation does not need to be changed. Jim Mitulski recalled his hospital visit with the man who recognized him by his shape. Paul Francis told strangers at a restaurant to get ugly lovers and Eric Rofes told his mother that he was going to stay safe and keep having sex. Cleve Jones had the vision of a thousand rotting corpses, Rev. Ron Russell Coons preached that we have AIDS as a community, and Rev. Troy Perry proclaimed a revival on Eureka Street. The other people heard in the episode are either unknown or did not want to be named.    When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the Humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  Thanks to Paul Katz and Henry Machen for permission to use “June in San Francisco” from their fabulous 1991 musical Dirty Dreams of a Clean Cut Kid. The estate of Leonard Bernstein for the use of “Somewhere” from West Side Story.  Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible.   Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1993, more than 10 years into the AIDS epidemic, the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco (MCC-SF) tries to remember all they've lost. We think about remembering too after encountering an archive of 1,200 cassette recordings of this queer church's services during the height of the epidemic. Whether you're a regular church goer or would never step into one, we invite you to spend time with this LGBTQ+ San Francisco church as it struggles to reconcile sexuality and faith in the midst of an existential crisis.  For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-1. About the montage: The worship service in this episode was on February 28, 1993. The Dyke March proclamation was written and read by Rev. Lea Brown. Rev. Karen Foster read the statement that sexual orientation does not need to be changed. Jim Mitulski recalled his hospital visit with the man who recognized him by his shape. Paul Francis told strangers at a restaurant to get ugly lovers and Eric Rofes told his mother that he was going to stay safe and keep having sex. Cleve Jones had the vision of a thousand rotting corpses, Rev. Ron Russell Coons preached that we have AIDS as a community, and Rev. Troy Perry proclaimed a revival on Eureka Street. The other people heard in the episode are either unknown or did not want to be named.    When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the Humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  Thanks to Paul Katz and Henry Machen for permission to use “June in San Francisco” from their fabulous 1991 musical Dirty Dreams of a Clean Cut Kid. The estate of Leonard Bernstein for the use of “Somewhere” from West Side Story.  Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible.  Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Why would an out queer person in the Gay Liberation Days of the 1970s go to church? What church would they go to? And why would they stay? In the 1960s, and ‘70s, the separation between God and gays was not as vast as it seemed. Rev. Troy Perry started the first Metropolitan Community Church in his Los Angeles living room. Tired of flying to LA every week, a Navy veteran started the second one in a San Francisco gay bar. And the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco was there for a young lesbian as she navigated spirituality, coming out, and her increasingly conservative family. When her friend got sick, she tried to be there for him. Church helped.       For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-2. Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Production credits:  When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  Thanks to Dr. Heather White, author of Reforming Sodom: Protestants and the Rise of Gay Rights. Scott Bloom and Trogoidia Pictures for the use of clips from the film Call Me Troy. The Center for LGBTQ and Gender Studies at the Pacific School of Religion and the Graduate Theological Union for the use of an archival recording of Troy Perry's last sermon as the minister at MCC Los Angeles.  Kirke Machem for the use of his beautiful composition, “Blow Ye, the Trumpet,” from the opera, John Brown. Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1993, more than 10 years into the AIDS epidemic, the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco (MCC-SF) tries to remember all they've lost. We think about remembering too after encountering an archive of 1,200 cassette recordings of this queer church's services during the height of the epidemic. Whether you're a regular church goer or would never step into one, we invite you to spend time with this LGBTQ+ San Francisco church as it struggles to reconcile sexuality and faith in the midst of an existential crisis.  For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-1. About the montage: The worship service in this episode was on February 28, 1993. The Dyke March proclamation was written and read by Rev. Lea Brown. Rev. Karen Foster read the statement that sexual orientation does not need to be changed. Jim Mitulski recalled his hospital visit with the man who recognized him by his shape. Paul Francis told strangers at a restaurant to get ugly lovers and Eric Rofes told his mother that he was going to stay safe and keep having sex. Cleve Jones had the vision of a thousand rotting corpses, Rev. Ron Russell Coons preached that we have AIDS as a community, and Rev. Troy Perry proclaimed a revival on Eureka Street. The other people heard in the episode are either unknown or did not want to be named.    When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the Humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  Thanks to Paul Katz and Henry Machen for permission to use “June in San Francisco” from their fabulous 1991 musical Dirty Dreams of a Clean Cut Kid. The estate of Leonard Bernstein for the use of “Somewhere” from West Side Story.  Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible.  Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Why would an out queer person in the Gay Liberation Days of the 1970s go to church? What church would they go to? And why would they stay? In the 1960s, and ‘70s, the separation between God and gays was not as vast as it seemed. Rev. Troy Perry started the first Metropolitan Community Church in his Los Angeles living room. Tired of flying to LA every week, a Navy veteran started the second one in a San Francisco gay bar. And the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco was there for a young lesbian as she navigated spirituality, coming out, and her increasingly conservative family. When her friend got sick, she tried to be there for him. Church helped.       For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-2. Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Production credits:  When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  Thanks to Dr. Heather White, author of Reforming Sodom: Protestants and the Rise of Gay Rights. Scott Bloom and Trogoidia Pictures for the use of clips from the film Call Me Troy. The Center for LGBTQ and Gender Studies at the Pacific School of Religion and the Graduate Theological Union for the use of an archival recording of Troy Perry's last sermon as the minister at MCC Los Angeles.  Kirke Machem for the use of his beautiful composition, “Blow Ye, the Trumpet,” from the opera, John Brown. Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Why would an out queer person in the Gay Liberation Days of the 1970s go to church? What church would they go to? And why would they stay? In the 1960s, and ‘70s, the separation between God and gays was not as vast as it seemed. Rev. Troy Perry started the first Metropolitan Community Church in his Los Angeles living room. Tired of flying to LA every week, a Navy veteran started the second one in a San Francisco gay bar. And the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco was there for a young lesbian as she navigated spirituality, coming out, and her increasingly conservative family. When her friend got sick, she tried to be there for him. Church helped.       For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-2. Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Production credits:  When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  Thanks to Dr. Heather White, author of Reforming Sodom: Protestants and the Rise of Gay Rights. Scott Bloom and Trogoidia Pictures for the use of clips from the film Call Me Troy. The Center for LGBTQ and Gender Studies at the Pacific School of Religion and the Graduate Theological Union for the use of an archival recording of Troy Perry's last sermon as the minister at MCC Los Angeles.  Kirke Machem for the use of his beautiful composition, “Blow Ye, the Trumpet,” from the opera, John Brown. Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible. Some links to good groups: The Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco – the congregation's current website.  Metropolitan Community Churches – the denomination of which MCC San Francisco is a part.  San Francisco AIDS Foundation – a place to seek information about HIV.  POZ Magazine – a place to learn everything else about HIV (information included). Save AIDS Research – their recent, epic 24 hours to Save Research conference with all the latest HIV research is available on YouTube through this site.    LGBTQ Religious Archives Network – the place to get lost in LGBTQ+ religious history. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1993, more than 10 years into the AIDS epidemic, the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco (MCC-SF) tries to remember all they've lost. We think about remembering too after encountering an archive of 1,200 cassette recordings of this queer church's services during the height of the epidemic. Whether you're a regular church goer or would never step into one, we invite you to spend time with this LGBTQ+ San Francisco church as it struggles to reconcile sexuality and faith in the midst of an existential crisis.  For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-1. About the montage: The worship service in this episode was on February 28, 1993. The Dyke March proclamation was written and read by Rev. Lea Brown. Rev. Karen Foster read the statement that sexual orientation does not need to be changed. Jim Mitulski recalled his hospital visit with the man who recognized him by his shape. Paul Francis told strangers at a restaurant to get ugly lovers and Eric Rofes told his mother that he was going to stay safe and keep having sex. Cleve Jones had the vision of a thousand rotting corpses, Rev. Ron Russell Coons preached that we have AIDS as a community, and Rev. Troy Perry proclaimed a revival on Eureka Street. The other people heard in the episode are either unknown or did not want to be named.    When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit http://heavenpodcast.org/credits. This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the Humanities (www.CalHum.org). Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds. The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco's archive. It was performed by MCC-SF's musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Tasty Morsels.  Thanks to Paul Katz and Henry Machen for permission to use “June in San Francisco” from their fabulous 1991 musical Dirty Dreams of a Clean Cut Kid. The estate of Leonard Bernstein for the use of “Somewhere” from West Side Story.  Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible.  Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kate and Leisha go for ice cream and find themselves wondering about who invented such a perfect food, Leisha talks about showing up to Madonna's house with an ice cream maker, and then everyone goes on spring break.   PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks.   Mixing by Valentino Rivera.   Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha go for ice cream and find themselves wondering about who invented such a perfect food, Leisha talks about showing up to Madonna's house with an ice cream maker, and then everyone goes on spring break. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate and Leisha talk snacks, haircuts, and why everyone cheats on TV. This episode was originally produced by Melisa D. Monts and Diamond MPrint Productions and edited by Diane Kang. This rebroadcast has been re-edited for clarity. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.   This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/PANTS and get on your way to being your best self. Get 10% off your first month. Visit betterhelp.com/PANTS.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha talk snacks, haircuts, and why everyone cheats on TV. This episode was originally produced by Melisa D. Monts and Diamond MPrint Productions and edited by Diane Kang. This rebroadcast has been re-edited for clarity. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/PANTS and get on your way to being your best self. Get 10% off your first month. Visit betterhelp.com/PANTS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate and Leisha catch up, talk knowing your measurements to make shopping easier, dating within your delivery area, and answer some listeners questions.   This episode was originally produced by Melisa D. Monts and Diamond MPrint Productions and edited by Diane Kang.   PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.   Get 15% off OneSkin with the code PANTS at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpodSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha catch up, talk knowing your measurements to make shopping easier, dating within your delivery area, and answer some listeners questions. This episode was originally produced by Melisa D. Monts and Diamond MPrint Productions and edited by Diane Kang. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate talks about her incredible experience at Madonna, Leisha explains how she saw Otoboke Beaver and was mind blown, and everyone finally agrees that Leisha is great at tree-trimming. Watch us on YouTube! PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.   Get 20% OFF @honeylove by going to honeylove.com/PANTSSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate talks about her incredible experience at Madonna, Leisha explains how she saw Otoboke Beaver and was mind blown, and everyone finally agrees that Leisha is great at tree-trimming. Watch us on YouTube! PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Get 20% OFF @honeylove by going to honeylove.com/PANTS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate is great at pull-ups and Leisha wants to get the pockets involved in a fitness challenge "sweatpants" and make a workout video. Watch us on YouTube and follow us in Instagram PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional producing and editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate is great at pull-ups and Leisha wants to get the pockets involved in a fitness challenge "sweatpants" and make a workout video. Watch us on YouTube and follow us in Instagram PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional producing and editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate and Leisha talk about vintage t-shirts, the time Mia and Leisha got Sears portraits, and answer listener questions.   Watch PANTS on YouTube and Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional producing and editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha talk about vintage t-shirts, the time Mia and Leisha got Sears portraits, and answer listener questions. Watch PANTS on YouTube and Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional producing and editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate and Leisha talk with Ana, Carol, Luiza, and Lovefoxxx from CSS about going back on tour, making art, falling down in front of Courtney Love, and so much more. Get your Tickets to see CSS near you at cssmusic.club and follow them on Instagram and Twitter Watch PANTS on YouTube and Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional producing and editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/ PANTS and get on your way to being your best self. and Get a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale at https://www.stamps.com/pants. Thanks to Stamps.com for sponsoring the show! and Don't forget your mattress! Go to helixsleep.com/PANTS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate and Leisha talk with Ana, Carol, Luiza, and Lovefoxxx from CSS about going back on tour, making art, falling down in front of Courtney Love, and so much more. Get your Tickets to see CSS near you at cssmusic.club and follow them on Instagram and Twitter Watch PANTS on YouTube and Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional producing and editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/ PANTS and get on your way to being your best self. and Get a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale at https://www.stamps.com/pants. Thanks to Stamps.com for sponsoring the show! and Don't forget your mattress! Go to helixsleep.com/PANTSSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The recaps are back! This episode we talk about season 3's opening episode - Labia Majora. Jenny is with Max, Shane is with Carmen, Alice has a cutout, Bette and Tina have a baby, and Helena has a new personality. Grab some granola and enjoy. Watch PANTS on YouTube and Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. You can get your your new favorite luggage from BÉIS at BEISTRAVEL.com/pants Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The recaps are back! This episode we talk about season 3's opening episode - Labia Majora. Jenny is with Max, Shane is with Carmen, Alice has a cutout, Bette and Tina have a baby, and Helena has a new personality. Grab some granola and enjoy. Watch PANTS on YouTube and Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. You can get your your new favorite luggage from BÉIS at BEISTRAVEL.com/pantsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha discuss three strange dolls from set, a few super-natural twists, and one nearly-bought birthday gift. Next week we begin the recaps! Watch PANTS on YouTube and Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional producing and editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha discuss three strange dolls from set, a few super-natural twists, and one nearly-bought birthday gift. Next week we begin the recaps! Watch PANTS on YouTube and Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Additional producing and editing by MaryLeigh Roohan. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey talk about recording their podcast at Spotify, picking back up the rewatches of The L Word at season 3, what would be on their L Word Bingo cards, and some of what they learned at their New York acting school. Subscribe to Pants on Spotify or You can watch the episode HERE. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey talk about recording their podcast at Spotify, picking back up the rewatches of The L Word at season 3, what would be on their L Word Bingo cards, and some of what they learned at their New York acting school. Subscribe to Pants on Spotify or You can watch the episode HERE. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We don't know who killed Jenny but Leisha says it for sure wasn't Alice. This week we start with a breakfast chat and then play some questions from an episode we originally aired in 2021. We are back next week with a very fun surprise and we are going to make the Q & A's a monthly thing! So please, write to us with your questions at kateandleisha@gmail.com PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We don't know who killed Jenny but Leisha says it for sure wasn't Alice. This week we start with a breakfast chat and then play some questions from an episode we originally aired in 2021. We are back next week with a very fun surprise and we are going to make the Q & A's a monthly thing! So please, write to us with your questions at kateandleisha@gmail.com PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Our friend Colman Domingo is so incredibly talented and we are thrilled to see him getting his flowers for his work in Rustin and The Color Purple. He is a fantastic talent and we adore him so we are replaying a conversation we had with him back in the early days of pants. If you haven't yet, do yourself a favor and go watch anything and everything he is in - you won't regret it. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. This episode is sponsored by/brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/PANTS and get on your way to being your best self. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Our friend Colman Domingo is so incredibly talented and we are thrilled to see him getting his flowers for his work in Rustin and The Color Purple. He is a fantastic talent and we adore him so we are replaying a conversation we had with him back in the early days of pants. If you haven't yet, do yourself a favor and go watch anything and everything he is in - you won't regret it.   PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks. Mixing by Valentino Rivera. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.   This episode is sponsored by/brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/PANTS and get on your way to being your best self.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha catch up on holidays, a birthday, a move, wonder about 90s toe placements, eat hot wings, and sing a little Ani DiFranco. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow Pants on Instagram @ThePantsPod or shoot us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com Music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx & our show art is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha catch up on holidays, a birthday, a move, wonder about 90s toe placements, eat hot wings, and sing a little Ani DiFranco. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow Pants on Instagram @ThePantsPod or shoot us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com Music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx & our show art is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate and Leisha catch up on Kate's visit to Philly and talk about some of their favorite "queer content." Tell us yours! You can message us on Instagram @thepantspod or email us at kateandleisha@gmail.com   PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha catch up on Kate's visit to Philly and talk about some of their favorite "queer content." Tell us yours! You can message us on Instagram @thepantspod or email us at kateandleisha@gmail.com PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

To kick off the new year Kate and Leisha talk with friend of the pod, Arlan Hamilton about her life, work, financial independence, and new book -"Your First Million."   PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

To kick off the new year Kate and Leisha talk with friend of the pod, Arlan Hamilton about her life, work, financial independence, and new book -"Your First Million." PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hero, legend, dream guest - Chani Nicholas is back to read Kate and Leisha's astrological charts in part 2 of our series. If you don't already, make sure to follow the Chani app on Instagram and learn more about her and yourself at Chani.com PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hero, legend, dream guest - Chani Nicholas is back to read Kate and Leisha's astrological charts in part 2 of our series. If you don't already, make sure to follow the Chani app on Instagram and learn more about her and yourself at Chani.com   PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha sit down with beloved astrologer Chani Nicholas and learn about how she began her career and grew it to a community of more than a million monthly readers. Chani works with astrology to help guide people to discover and live their life's purpose and today is part one of her reading Kate and Leisha's charts. Our ultimate thanks to, Chani. We adore her and think you will too. You can learn more about her and yourself at Chani.com PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. And thanks to our sponsors. Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get $5 off your Starter Pack (that's over 40% off) with promo code PANTS at LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepodSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha sit down with beloved astrologer Chani Nicholas and learn about how she began her career and grew it to a community of more than a million monthly readers. Chani works with astrology to help guide people to discover and live their life's purpose and today is part one of her reading Kate and Leisha's charts. Our ultimate thanks to, Chani. We adore her and think you will too. You can learn more about her and yourself at Chani.com PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. And thanks to our sponsors. Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get $5 off your Starter Pack (that's over 40% off) with promo code PANTS at LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate and Leisha have both been hitting the cult documentaries pretty hard and are back from break ready to talk about, 'Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God' and some others. If you haven't watched it consider this your spoiler warning.   PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kate and Leisha have both been hitting the cult documentaries pretty hard and are back from break ready to talk about, 'Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God' and some others. If you haven't watched it consider this your spoiler warning. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you could travel in time and give your younger self one piece of advice what would it be? For one listener it has to do with a toxic manager at Yankee Candle. And if that is you, please email us. We really want to know what happened. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod Email us: kateandleisha@gmail.com Music: Carol Parra @csssuxxx Artwork: Lovefoxxx Thanks to Microdose.com for sponsoring today's episode! Go to Microdose.com and use code: PANTS to get free shipping & 30% off your first order!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

If you could travel in time and give your younger self one piece of advice what would it be? For one listener it has to do with a toxic manager at Yankee Candle. And if that is you, please email us. We really want to know what happened. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera. Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod Email us: kateandleisha@gmail.com Music: Carol Parra @csssuxxx Artwork: Lovefoxxx Thanks to Microdose.com for sponsoring today's episode! Go to Microdose.com and use code: PANTS to get free shipping & 30% off your first order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the spirit of being thankful, Kate and Leisha each name ten things they loved this year. From washing dog feet in a utility sink to new favorite condiments. tell us yours on our Instagram @ThePantsPod Thank you for being a listener. We would love it if you took the time to give us a rating and review in Apple podcasts or leave a comment on Spotify. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, mixed by Valentino Rivera, our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our show art is by Lovefoxxx. If you want to get in touch you can email us at kateandleisha@gmail.com And thanks to this episode's sponsors - Lume & Honeylove Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get $5 off your Starter Pack (that's over 40% off) with promo code PANTS at lumedeodorant.com! #lumepod  Get Up to 50% OFF @honeylove by going to honeylove.com/PANTS! #honeylovepod See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the spirit of being thankful, Kate and Leisha each name ten things they loved this year. From washing dog feet in a utility sink to new favorite condiments. tell us yours on our Instagram @ThePantsPod Thank you for being a listener. We would love it if you took the time to give us a rating and review in Apple podcasts or leave a comment on Spotify. PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, mixed by Valentino Rivera, our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our show art is by Lovefoxxx. If you want to get in touch you can email us at kateandleisha@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices