Podcast appearances and mentions of elizabeth lawler

Episode 339 of The VentureFizz Podcast features Andy Palmer, serial entrepreneur, seed investor, and now author. Andy is one of my OG's, that being original guests. If you go way back into the archives of The VentureFizz Podcast, you'll find my first interview with him for Episode #22 back in 2018. In that interview, we talk about his full background story, his career building companies like Tamr & Vertica, plus investing in companies. For this interview, Andy and I connected for a different reason. He has written a book with his co-author, Paula Caliguiri titled “Live for a Living: How to Create Your Career Journey to Work Happier Not Harder.” The two met on a Bumble date which resulted in a friendship and a collaboration for this book, which is useful at any stage of one's career. It's ultimately a guide to designing a life that leverages your personal values, motivators, and goals in your career. I'm a fan of audiobooks, so it was fun listening to Andy and Paula narrate the book and I have to admit, they both have great voices for it. Plus, it was cool to know some of the people that they highlight in the book like Elizabeth Lawler, CEO & Co-Founder of AppMap, who we recently on my podcast. The format of this interview is different from my normal style which was a fun change of pace. In this episode, we chat about: * How Andy got involved in AI back in the 80's and how this is his third AI hype cycle, plus the details about his latest company called DBOS. * The inspiration behind the book. * The 5 phases of ideal careers that being: Starter Phase, Foundational Phase, High-Growth Phase, High-Focus Phase, and Give-Back Phase. We go through each phase in detail. * Why a simultaneous career path can be a benefit. * The advantages of working at startups and how it can push your career forward. * And more! There is obviously a lot more to this book than what we had the opportunity to chat about, so make sure you check it out! The title again is Live for a Living and you can find it on Amazon or the audio version Spotify or any other major outlet.

Are we prepared for the evolving landscape where AI meets DevOps? In today's episode of the Tech Talks Daily Podcast, we delve into a critical discussion with Elizabeth Lawler, CEO of AppMap and a serial startup founder renowned for her groundbreaking contributions to developer tools. As AI continues to reshape DevOps workflows, understanding this transformation becomes imperative for every tech professional. Elizabeth brings a unique perspective, having launched ventures like Navi AI, which uses runtime context to aid developers, and the open source initiative Code Challenge, designed to encourage innovation and transparency in AI development. Our conversation explores how the hype surrounding AI's impact on jobs reflects the early days of cloud computing and DevOps—promising not job elimination, but transformation and new opportunities. We'll unpack the dual necessity of rapid upskilling and maintaining an open, transparent approach to AI integration in DevOps. Elizabeth argues that developers hold the power to shape the AI landscape by opting for open source models, which are crucial in avoiding the "black box" nature of some AI technologies. The need for a robust ecosystem of monitoring tools is as relevant today as it was in the early days of DevOps. The skills landscape is also shifting. Professionals now must possess not only the technical know-how but also critical thinking abilities to interpret AI outputs and design architectures that maximize model strengths while understanding their limitations. Innovation becomes essential in challenging historical data limitations and pushing the boundaries of what AI can achieve in a DevOps context. What does it mean to redefine workflows with AI? We'll discuss how assessing risk, emphasizing human oversight, and learning from past implementations like configuration as code are shaping the new standards. Elizabeth emphasizes the importance of ethical considerations and building AI solutions focused on human empowerment rather than replacement. As we navigate this conversation, it's clear that the intersection of AI and DevOps is not just a technological shift but a cultural one, requiring a thoughtful blend of skills, ethical considerations, and a commitment to continuous learning. What are your thoughts on integrating AI into DevOps workflows? How do you see these changes impacting your work or industry? Join the discussion and share your experiences as we explore these transformative shifts together.

In this podcast Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods spoke to Dr. Elizabeth Lawler, the founder and CEO of AppMap, about observability in the age of AI, creativity in programming and problems developers face on a day-to-day basis. Read a transcript of this interview: https://www.infoq.com/podcasts/observability-through-ai/ Subscribe to the Software Architects' Newsletter for your monthly guide to the essential news and experience from industry peers on emerging patterns and technologies: www.infoq.com/software-architects-newsletter Upcoming Events: QCon London (April 8-10, 2024) Discover new ideas and insights from senior practitioners driving change and innovation in software development. qconlondon.com/ InfoQ Dev Summit Boston (June 24-25, 2024) Actionable insights on today's critical dev priorities. devsummit.infoq.com/ QCon San Francisco (November 18-22, 2024) Get practical inspiration and best practices on emerging software trends directly from senior software developers at early adopter companies. qconsf.com/ The InfoQ Podcasts: Weekly inspiration to drive innovation and build great teams from senior software leaders. Listen to all our podcasts and read interview transcripts: - The InfoQ Podcast www.infoq.com/podcasts/ - Engineering Culture Podcast by InfoQ www.infoq.com/podcasts/#engineering_culture Follow InfoQ: - Mastodon: techhub.social/@infoq - Twitter: twitter.com/InfoQ - LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/infoq - Facebook: bit.ly/2jmlyG8 - Instagram: @infoqdotcom - Youtube: www.youtube.com/infoq Write for InfoQ: Learn and share the changes and innovations in professional software development. - Join a community of experts. - Increase your visibility. - Grow your career. www.infoq.com/write-for-infoq

Episode 323 of The VentureFizz Podcast features Elizabeth Lawler, Founder & CEO of AppMap. A question that I ask every guest at the end of every interview is - “What do you like to do for fun outside of work?” Oftentimes, I get common answers like - hiking, traveling, etc. But, Elizabeth's answer has by far been the best one yet and it is proof that she is not only a great entrepreneur but also a maker at heart. Elizabeth is building with her husband & Co-Founder, Kevin, and their kids, a two seater RV-12 airplane. They previously built a car together when the kids were 6 & 8 years old, so this is their next challenge. So cool! AppMap is a leading developer of code visualization and runtime code review analysis technology. Its platform is redefining how developers improve their software and has become one of the fastest-growing tools for software visualization and runtime analysis. The company has raised $10 million in funding. In this episode of our podcast, we cover: * A deep conversation around community building and the importance of authenticity. * Elizabeth's background story and how she learned entrepreneurship from her parents. * Getting her career started in public health research and epidemiology after receiving her PhD. * The background story of Conjur, which was bootstrapped initially and raised a minimal amount of capital and had a successful exit to CyberArk. * Preferred versus common stock and how that affects the payout post-acquisition. * All the details about AppMap and how they built traction and got developers to engage with their product. * How Elizabeth is supporting women entrepreneurs and the role that Andy Palmer is playing, as well. * And so much more.

This week we're revisiting Inside Startup Battlefield,  the four-part series that takes you behind TechCrunch's Startup Battlefield competition. If you haven't already be sure to get your tickets to TechCrunch Disrupt in San Francisco on September 19-21. Save an additional 15% with promo code CRUNCH. Visit techcrunch.com/disrupt to learn more.In this episode, our host and Startup Battlefield Editor Neesha Tambe breaks down how the Battlefield companies are selected for the TechCrunch Disrupt stage. Then we take a deep dive into what makes a pitch-perfect with pitch coach and TechCrunch writer Haje Jan Kamps and Startup Battlefield judge and VC Nisha Dua. You'll also hear from: Julia Somerdin from Labby, Young-Jae Kim and Tara Peters from Anthill, Quddus Pativada from Digest AI, Blessing Adesiyan from Mother Honestly, Hikari Senju from Omneky, Mitch Tolson from Ally Robotics, Elizabeth Lawler from App map, Aaron Hall from Intropic materials. Sheeba Dawood from Minerva. The TechCrunch Podcast posts every Friday. Subscribe on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to be alerted when new episodes drop. Check out the other TechCrunch podcasts: Equity, Found and Chain Reaction.

Inside Startup Battlefield is back in our feed with episode two. In the second episode of Inside Startup Battlefield, we take a trip to TechCrunch Disrupt 2022 to hear pitches from the top five companies: Aaron Hall from Intropic Materials, Elizabeth Lawler from App Map, Chad Mason from Advanced Ionics, Sheeba Dawood from Minerva Lithium, Tim Lichti from Swap Robotics. We get to know the companies and the unique problems they're solving through their pitches and the judges' follow-up questions. Plus we hear from our host and Battlefield Editor, Neesha Tambe, about what working with each company was like.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

In the second episode of Inside Startup Battlefield, we take a trip to TechCrunch Disrupt 2022 to hear pitches from the top five companies: Aaron Hall from Intropic Materials, Elizabeth Lawler from App Map, Chad Mason from Advanced Ionics, Sheeba Dawood from Minerva Lithium, Tim Lichti from Swap Robotics. We get to know the companies and the unique problems they're solving through their pitches and the judges' follow-up questions. Plus we hear from our host and Battlefield Editor, Neesha Tambe, about what working with each company was like.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

Inside Startup Battlefield is back in our feed with episode two. In the second episode of Inside Startup Battlefield, we take a trip to TechCrunch Disrupt 2022 to hear pitches from the top five companies: Aaron Hall from Intropic Materials, Elizabeth Lawler from App Map, Chad Mason from Advanced Ionics, Sheeba Dawood from Minerva Lithium, Tim Lichti from Swap Robotics. We get to know the companies and the unique problems they're solving through their pitches and the judges' follow-up questions. Plus we hear from our host and Battlefield Editor, Neesha Tambe, about what working with each company was like.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

Inside Startup Battlefield is back in our feed with episode two. In the second episode of Inside Startup Battlefield, we take a trip to TechCrunch Disrupt 2022 to hear pitches from the top five companies: Aaron Hall from Intropic Materials, Elizabeth Lawler from App Map, Chad Mason from Advanced Ionics, Sheeba Dawood from Minerva Lithium, Tim Lichti from Swap Robotics. We get to know the companies and the unique problems they're solving through their pitches and the judges' follow-up questions. Plus we hear from our host and Battlefield Editor, Neesha Tambe, about what working with each company was like.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

Inside Startup Battlefield is back in our feed with episode two. In the second episode of Inside Startup Battlefield, we take a trip to TechCrunch Disrupt 2022 to hear pitches from the top five companies: Aaron Hall from Intropic Materials, Elizabeth Lawler from App Map, Chad Mason from Advanced Ionics, Sheeba Dawood from Minerva Lithium, Tim Lichti from Swap Robotics. We get to know the companies and the unique problems they're solving through their pitches and the judges' follow-up questions. Plus we hear from our host and Battlefield Editor, Neesha Tambe, about what working with each company was like.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast..

Welcome to the four-part series that takes you behind TechCrunch's Startup Battlefield competition. In this episode, our host and Startup Battlefield Editor Neesha Tambe breaks down how the Battlefield companies are selected for the TechCrunch Disrupt stage. Then we take a deep dive into what makes a pitch-perfect with pitch coach and TechCrunch writer Haje Jan Kamps and Startup Battlefield judge and VC Nisha Dua. You'll also hear from: Julia Somerdin from Labby, Young-Jae Kim and Tara Peters from Anthill, Quddus Pativada from Digest AI, Blessing Adesiyan from Mother honestly, Hikari Senju from Omneky, Mitch Tolson from Ally robotics, Elizabeth Lawler from App map, Aaron Hall from Intropic materials. Sheeba Dawood from Minerva.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

Check out the newest podcast from the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Inside Startup Battlefield, the four-part series that takes you behind TechCrunch's Startup Battlefield competition. In this episode, our host and Startup Battlefield Editor Neesha Tambe breaks down how the Battlefield companies are selected for the TechCrunch Disrupt stage. Then we take a deep dive into what makes a pitch perfect with pitch coach and TechCrunch writer Haje Jan Kamps and Startup Battlefield judge and VC Nisha Dua. You'll also hear from: Julia Somerdin from Labby, Young-Jae Kim and Tara Peters from Anthill, Quddus Pativada from Digest AI, Blessing Adesiyan from Mother honestly, Hikari Senju from Omneky, Mitch Tolson from Ally robotics, Elizabeth Lawler from App map, Aaron Hall from Intropic materials. Sheeba Dawood from Minerva.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network:Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

Check out the newest podcast from the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Inside Startup Battlefield, the four-part series that takes you behind TechCrunch's Startup Battlefield competition. In this episode, our host and Startup Battlefield Editor Neesha Tambe breaks down how the Battlefield companies are selected for the TechCrunch Disrupt stage. Then we take a deep dive into what makes a pitch perfect with pitch coach and TechCrunch writer Haje Jan Kamps and Startup Battlefield judge and VC Nisha Dua. You'll also hear from: Julia Somerdin from Labby, Young-Jae Kim and Tara Peters from Anthill, Quddus Pativada from Digest AI, Blessing Adesiyan from Mother honestly, Hikari Senju from Omneky, Mitch Tolson from Ally robotics, Elizabeth Lawler from App map, Aaron Hall from Intropic materials. Sheeba Dawood from Minerva.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

Check out the newest podcast from the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Inside Startup Battlefield, the four-part series that takes you behind TechCrunch's Startup Battlefield competition. In this episode, our host and Startup Battlefield Editor Neesha Tambe breaks down how the Battlefield companies are selected for the TechCrunch Disrupt stage. Then we take a deep dive into what makes a pitch perfect with pitch coach and TechCrunch writer Haje Jan Kamps and Startup Battlefield judge and VC Nisha Dua. You'll also hear from: Julia Somerdin from Labby, Young-Jae Kim and Tara Peters from Anthill, Quddus Pativada from Digest AI, Blessing Adesiyan from Mother honestly, Hikari Senju from Omneky, Mitch Tolson from Ally robotics, Elizabeth Lawler from App map, Aaron Hall from Intropic materials. Sheeba Dawood from Minerva.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

Check out the newest podcast from the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Inside Startup Battlefield, the four-part series that takes you behind TechCrunch's Startup Battlefield competition. In this episode, our host and Startup Battlefield Editor Neesha Tambe breaks down how the Battlefield companies are selected for the TechCrunch Disrupt stage. Then we take a deep dive into what makes a pitch perfect with pitch coach and TechCrunch writer Haje Jan Kamps and Startup Battlefield judge and VC Nisha Dua. You'll also hear from: Julia Somerdin from Labby, Young-Jae Kim and Tara Peters from Anthill, Quddus Pativada from Digest AI, Blessing Adesiyan from Mother honestly, Hikari Senju from Omneky, Mitch Tolson from Ally robotics, Elizabeth Lawler from App map, Aaron Hall from Intropic materials. Sheeba Dawood from Minerva.New episodes of Inside Startup Battlefield drop every Monday. Be sure to check out all of the other podcasts in the TechCrunch Podcast Network: Found, Equity, The TechCrunch Podcast, Chain Reaction, and The TechCrunch Live Podcast.

In this episode, we cover: Introduction (00:00) Elizabeth, AppLand, and AppMap (1:00) Why build AppMap (03:34) Being open-source (06:40) Building community  (08:50) Some tips on using AppMap (11:15) Links Referenced: VS Code Marketplace: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=appland.appmap JetBrains Marketplace: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/16701-appmap AppLand: https://appland.com TranscriptElizabeth: “Whoa.” [laugh]. That's like getting a map of all of the Planet Earth with street directions for every single city, across all of the continents. You don't need that; you just want to know how to get to the nearest 7/11, right? Like, so just start small. [laugh]. Don't try and map your entire universe, galaxy, you know, out of the gate. [laugh].Jason: Welcome to another episode of Build Things on Purpose, part of the Break Things on Purpose podcast. In our build episodes, we chat with the engineers and developers who create tools that help us build and operate modern applications. In this episode, Elizabeth Lawler joins us to chat about the challenges of building modern, complex software, and the tool that she's built to help developers better understand where they are and where they're going.Jason: Today on the show, we have Elizabeth Lawler who's the founder of a company called AppLand, they make a product called AppMap. Welcome to the show, Elizabeth.Elizabeth: Thank you so much for having me, Jason.Jason: Awesome. So, tell us a little bit more about AppLand and this product that you've built. What did you build?Elizabeth: Sure. So, AppMap is a product that we're building in the open. It's a developer tool, so it's free and open-source. And we call it Google Maps for code. You know, I think that there has been a movement in more assistive technologies being developed—or augmenting technologies being developed for developers, and with some of the new tools, we were looking to create a more visual and interactive experience for developers to understand the runtime of their code better when they code.So, it's interesting how a lot of the runtime of an application when you're writing it or you're actually crafting it is sort of in your imagination because it hasn't yet been. [laugh]. And so, you know, we wanted to make that information apparent and push that kind of observability left so that people could see how things were going to work while they're writing them.Jason: I love that idea of seeing how things are working while you're writing it because you're so right. You know, when I write code, I have a vision in mind, and so, like, you mentally kind of scaffold out here are the pieces that I need and how they'll fit together. And then as you write it, you naturally encounter issues, or things don't work quite as you expect, and you tweak those. And sometimes that idea or the concept in your head gets a little fuzzy. So, having a tool that actually shows you in real-time seems like an extremely valuable tool.Elizabeth: Thank you. Yes. And I think you've nailed how it's not always the issue of dependency, it's really the issue of dependent behavior. And that dependent behavior of other services or code you're interacting with is the hardest thing to imagine while you're writing because you're also focusing on feature and functionality. So, it's really a fun space to work in, and crafting out that data, thinking about what you would need to present, and then trying to create an engaging experience around that has been a really fun journey that the team has been on since 2020. We announced the project in 2021 in March—I think almost about this time last year—and we have over 13,000 users of AppMap now.Jason: That's incredible. So, you mentioned two things that I want to dive into. One is that it's open-source, and then the second—and maybe we'll start there—is why did you build this? Is this something that just was organic; you needed a tool for yourself, or… what was the birth of AppMap?Elizabeth: Oh, I think that's such a great question because I think it was—this is the third startup that I've been in, third project of this kind, building developer tooling. My previous company was a cybersecurity company; before that, I helped build applications in the healthcare sector. And before that, I worked in government and healthcare. And—also, again, building platforms and IT systems and applications as part of my work—and creating a common understanding of how software operates—works—understanding and communicating that effectively, and lowering that kind of cognitive load to get everybody on the same page is such a hard problem. I mean, when we didn't all work from home, we had whiteboards [laugh] and we would get in the room and go through sprint review and describe how something was working and seeing if there was anything we could do to improve quality, performance, reliability, scalability, functionality before something shipped, and we did it as a group, in-person. And it's very difficult to do that.And even that method is not particularly effective because you're dealing with whiteboards and people's mental models and so we wanted to, first of all, create something objective that would show you really how things worked, and secondly, we wanted to lower the burden to have those conversations with yourself. Or, you know, kind of rubber ducky debugging when something's not working, and also with the group. So, we created AppMaps as both interactive visualizations you could use to look at runtime, debug something, understand something better, but also something that could travel and help to make communication a lot easier. And that was the impetus, you know, just wanting to improve our own group understanding.Jason: I love that notion of not just having the developer understand more, but that idea of yeah, we work in teams and we often have misalignment simply because people on different sides of the application look at things differently. And so this idea of, can we build a tool that not only helps an individual understand things, but gets everybody on the same page is fantastic.Elizabeth: And also work in different layers of the application. For example, many observability tools are very highly focused on network, right? And sometimes the people who have the view of the problem, aren't able to articulate it clearly or effectively or expeditiously enough to capture the attention of someone who needs to fix the problem. And so, you know, I think also having—we've blended a combination of pieces of information into AppMap, not only code, but also web services, data, I/O, and other elements and so that we can start to talk more effectively as groups.Jason: That's awesome. So, I think that collaboration leads into that second thing that I brought up that I think is really interesting is that this is an open-source project as well. And so—Elizabeth: It is.Jason: Tell me more about that. What's the process? Because that's always, I think, a challenge is this notion of we love open-source, but we're also—we work for companies, we like to get paid. I like to get paid. [laugh]. So, how does that work out and what's that look like as you've gone on this journey?Elizabeth: Yeah. You know, I think we think quietly working are certainly looking for other fellow travelers who are interested in this space. We started by creating an open data framework—which AppMap is actually both the name of a code editor extension you can install and use to see the runtime of your code to understand issues and find a fix them faster, but it also is a data standard. And with that data standard, we're really looking to work with other people. Because, you know, I think this type of information should be widely accessible for people and I think it should be available to understand.I think, you know, awareness about your software environment is just kind of like a basic developer right. And so, [laugh] you know, the reason why we made the tools free, and the reason why we've made the data structure open-source is to be able to encourage people to get the kind of information that they need to do their job better. And by making our agents open-source, by making our clients open-source, it simply allows people to be able to find and adopt this kind of tooling to improve their own job performance. And so, you know, that was really kind of how we started and I think, ultimately, you know, there are opportunities to provide commercial products, and there will be some coming down the road, but at the moment, right now we're really interested in working with the community and, you know, understanding their needs better.Jason: That's awesome. Number one, I love the embrace of, you know, when you're in the startup land, there's the advice, have never tried to monetize too early, right? Build something that's useful that people enjoy and really value, and then it'll naturally come. The other question that I had is, I'm assuming you eat your own dog food, slash drink your own champagne. So, I'm really curious, like, one of the problems that I've had in open-source is the onboarding of new community members, right? Software is complex, and so people often have troubles, and they're like, how do I fix this? They file an issue on GitHub or whatever system you're using, and there's sometimes a notion with open-source of like, that's a good thing that you called out. You can fix that because it's open-source, but people are like, “I don't know how.”Elizabeth: Yeah.Jason: Does AppMap actually help in enabling AppMap open-source contributors? Like, have you seen that?Elizabeth: So, we've had issues filed. I would say that most of the fixes still come from us. If people wanted to run AppMap on AppMap to identify the bug, [laugh] that would be great, but it doesn't really work that way. So, you know, for us at this time, most of it is community filed issues and that we are working to resolve. But I do think—and I will say—that we have actually used AppMap on open-source projects that we use, and we've found [laugh] flaws and bugs using AppMap with those projects, and have filed issues with them. [laugh].Jason: That's awesome. I love that. I mean, that's what it means to be an open-source, right, and to use open-source is that notion of, like—Elizabeth: Right.Jason: Contribute wherever you can.Elizabeth: Yeah. And if that's the way, you know, we can contribute, you know—and I think similarly, I mean, our relationship to open-source is very strong. So, for example, you know, we came from the Ruby community and there's lots of different kinds of open-source projects that are commonly used for things like security and authentication and we've done a lot of work in our own project to tag and label those commonly-used libraries so that they can be—when you pop open an AppMap everything is all beautiful and tagged and, you know, very nicely and neatly organized for you so you can find everything you're looking for. Similarly, we're working with open-source communities in Python and Java and now JavaScript to do the same thing, which is, you know, to make sure that important information, important commonly used libraries and tools are called out clearly.Jason: So, as you're adding more languages, you're going to get more users. So, that brings me to our final question. And that's, as you get all these new users, they probably need some guidance. So, if you were to give some users tips, right? Someone goes out there, like, “I want to use AppMap,” what's some advice that you'd give them related to reliability? How can they get the best experience and build the best code using AppMap?Elizabeth: Yes. So, this has actually been a key piece of feedback, I think, from the community for us, which is, we released this tool out to the world, and we said, “We're going to bring here; we come with gifts of observability in your code editor.” And people have used it for all kinds of different projects: They've used it for refactoring projects, for debugging, for onboarding to code, for all of these different use cases, but one of the things that can be overwhelming is the amount of information that you get. And I think this is true of most kinds of observability tools; you kind of start with this wall of data, and you're like, “Where am I going to start?”And so my recommendation is that AppMap is best used when you have a targeted question in mind, not just kind of like, you know, “I'd like to understand how this new piece of the codebase works. I've shifted from Team A to Team B, and I need to onboard to it.” “I'd like to figure out why I've got a slow—you know, I've been told that we've got a slowdown. Is it my query? Is it my web service? What is it? I'd like to pinpoint, find, and fix the issue fast.”One of the things that we're doing now is starting to leverage the data in a more analytic way to begin to help people focus their attention. And that's a new product that we're going to be bringing out later this spring, and I'm very, very excited about it. But I think that's the key, which is to start small, run a few test cases that are related to the area of code that you're interested in if that's an onboarding case, or look for areas of the code you can record or run test cases around that is related to the bug you have to fix. Because if you just run your whole test suite, you will generate a giant amount of data. Sometimes people generate, like, 10,000 AppMaps on the first pass through. And they're like, “Whoa.” [laugh]. That's like getting a map of all of the Planet Earth with street directions for every single city, across all of the continents. You don't need that; you just want to know how to get to the nearest 7/11, right? Like, so just start small. [laugh]. Don't try and map your entire universe, galaxy, you know, out of the gate. [laugh].Jason: That's fantastic advice, and it sounds very similar to what we advise at Gremlin for Chaos Engineering of starting small, starting very specific, really honing in on sort of a hypothesis, “What do I think will happen?” Or, “How do I think I understand things?” And really going from there?Elizabeth: Yeah. It does, it focuses the mind to have a specific question as opposed to asking the universe what does it all mean?Jason: Yeah. Well, thanks for being a guest on the show today. Before we go, where can people find AppMap if they're interested in the tool, and they want to give it a try?Elizabeth: So, we are located in the VS Code Marketplace if you use the VS Code editor, and we're also located in JetBrains Marketplace if you use any of the JetBrains tools.Jason: Awesome. So yeah, for our VS Code and JetBrains users, go check that out. And if you're interested in more about AppMap or AppLand, where can folks find more info about the company and maybe future announcements on the analysis tooling?Elizabeth: That would be appland.com A-P-P-L-A-N-D dot C-O-M. And our dev docs are there, new tooling is announced there, and our community resources are there, so if anyone would like to participate in either helping us build out our data model, feedback on our language-specific plans or any of the tooling, we welcome contributors.Jason: Awesome. Thanks again for sharing all of that info about AppMap and AppLand and how folks can continue to build more reliable software.Elizabeth: Thank you for having me, Jason.Jason: For links to all the information mentioned, visit our website at gremlin.com/podcast. If you liked this episode, subscribe to the Break Things on Purpose podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or your favorite podcast platform. 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Our guest for this episode is Elizabeth Lawler. Elizabeth is an Entrepreneur and Angel investor who, having founded and sold a cyber startup, most definitely understands the game. We recorded this conversation a few weeks ago, when she so generously gave up her time on a stormy Boston night to share some incredible advice. Interested in the books Elizabeth mentioned? Here are the two she references. From her France getaway: My Father's Glory and My Mother's Castle, by Marcel Pagnol Her pick for a great startup book? The Path Between the Seas: The Creation of the Panama Canal, 1870-1914, by David McCullough

Elizabeth Lawler is an accomplished serial entrepreneur and C-level operator with more than two decades of success in designing, developing and leading startup organizations, with two notable exits in her rearview. Today, as Co-Founder of xxAngels, Elizabeth and her emerging, Boston-based angel group are dedicated to bridging the funding gap for women entrepreneurs through early stage investments. In addition, Elizabeth serves as the Co-Founder & CEO of Appland, an emerging tech startup in the DevOps space that is operating in stealth mode until further notice. As the former Co-Founder and CEO of Conjur, Elizabeth built the DevOps-focused security company from scratch, which was sold to market leader CyberArk for $42M in 2017. Prior to Conjur, Elizabeth was the Chief Data Officer at Generation Health, which later sold to CVS Caremark. Before Elizabeth took the leap into entrepreneurship, she leveraged her P.h.D. in epidemiology and climbed the organizational ladder within MAVERIC to achieve the Deputy Director role, where she developed essential startup skills that have been instrumental in building her ventures. Elizabeth prides herself on being an articulate communicator, experienced professor, and a published author of numerous recognized articles. As a firm believer that egos should be eliminated from company decisions, she strives to lead by example. When Elizabeth is not buried in her work, fueled by an innate desire to constantly create and innovate, she competes in off-road races and enjoys spending time with her family.

Tune in to today's episode of On the Spot and hear from Elizabeth Lawler, co-founder of xxAngels which works to financially back fearless, groundbreaking, driven women entrepreneurs. xxAngels was founded by two women founder CEOs committed to seeding the next generation of women-led startups. Both Elizabeth and her partner Zoey aim to invest during the friends and family rounds and serve as a sounding board and launch partner for companies at conception. Advice for rising entrepreneurs: [2:56 ] ...if you get good mentorship, good help and good advice, you can really build an interesting business and have a great exit. [19:29] _Going wide and wasting your time is a common mistake I see young entrepreneurs and early entrepreneurs make. _ To learn more about xxAngels or to apply for finding, visit their website (https://xxangels.com) and begin to educate yourself on the in's and out's of the investment world. Looking for more inspiration, advice and direction? Subscribe to our daily email and/or audioblast Four Minutes with On The Dot, where we provide you with the tools and motivation you need to get out there and be the badass babe you were meant to be. Sign up here: signup.onthedotwoman.com (signup.onthedotwoman.com) Tune in next Thursday when we sit down with Aylin Doker, the founder of Turquoise Life. We are focused on your success, so let us know what you think by chatting with us at @onthedotwoman (www.twitter.com/onthedotwoman) on Twitter, Instagram (www.instagram.com/onthedotwoman), and Facebook (www.facebook.com/onthedotwoman). We’d love to hear your voice! Special Guest: Elizabeth Lawler.

Elizabeth Lawler is the Vice President of DevOps Security at CyberArk. She co-founded Conjur, a devops security company, in 2011; it was acquired by CyberArk in May 2017. Elizabeth joins us for an awesome devops-charged interview! Full Show Notes: https://wiki.securityweekly.com/SSWEpisode58 Visit http://securityweekly.com/category/ssw for all the latest episodes!

Elizabeth Lawler of CyberArk joins us for an interview. In the articles for discussion, we discuss leveling the playing field for entrepreneurs, using storytelling to increase sales, online crowdfunding, and more. In the startup security news for the week, Slack and Oracle team up, ForeScout files for an IPO, and updates from Social Capital, Guidewire, Forensic Logic, and more on this edition of Startup Security Weekly!Full Show Notes: https://wiki.securityweekly.com/SSWEpisode58Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/ssw for all the latest episodes!

Elizabeth Lawler of CyberArk joins us for an interview. In the articles for discussion, we discuss leveling the playing field for entrepreneurs, using storytelling to increase sales, online crowdfunding, and more. In the startup security news for the week, Slack and Oracle team up, ForeScout files for an IPO, and updates from Social Capital, Guidewire, Forensic Logic, and more on this edition of Startup Security Weekly!Full Show Notes: https://wiki.securityweekly.com/SSWEpisode57Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/ssw for all the latest episodes!

Elizabeth Lawler is the Vice President of DevOps Security at CyberArk. She co-founded Conjur, a devops security company, in 2011; it was acquired by CyberArk in May 2017. Elizabeth joins us for an awesome devops-charged interview! Full Show Notes: https://wiki.securityweekly.com/SSWEpisode58 Visit http://securityweekly.com/category/ssw for all the latest episodes!