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George loves The Walking Dead. He is passionately devoted to it. If he loves it so much, why doesn't he marry it? The question remains unanswered. So Travis and Dan decided it was high time he come to know the Old Testament of zombie lore. Sure the rules may be a little different and it isn't as polished but without Night there would be no walkers for George to appreciate.    Surly George is back again, can the guys bring him around before it is too late? Is Travis a fan of zombies using tools? If only he could clarify his position on the matter. Is Dan talking football on a zombie episode? Is this a zombie episode?    Stay tuned to the end to hear about some forthcoming plans... We're dying to tell you about them...   And after the episode, check out the Extra Credit Discussion group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/remedialfilmpod   Theme song recorded by The Hungry Sevens, featuring Shawnee Houlihan.

In this episode of The Thermo diet Podcast Jayton Miller sits down with functional nutrition therapy practitioner and fellow metabolic theory lover Travis Harris. They talk about the individualization of eating and listening to your body, the rate of living theory vs the bioenergetic theory, and the first thousand days of life and proper child nutrition among other things. Check it out and let us know what you think! Instagram @researchcowboy @travisharrisfntp Travis's website - https://www.travisharrisnutritionaltherapy.com https://umzu.com/ Full Transcript: Jayton Miller: Welcome back to the Thermo Diet Podcast. I'm your host, Jayton Miller. And today I have on the podcast, functional nutritional therapy practitioner, Travis Harris. So Travis, I found originally on Instagram and he has a great Instagram page. He has a really cool website. He does one-on-one coaching. So if you're interested, make sure to give him a look. In this episode, we talk about the individualization of eating and listening to your body, the rate of living theory versus the bio-energetic theory of health. We talk a little bit about the first thousand days of life and proper child nutrition. And then towards the end of it, we also talk a little bit about psychology and some different strategies that are out there in terms of helping you align your psychological health with your physical health. So I look forward to you listening to this episode and let's dive into it. How's it going today, guys. Today, I'm here with Travis Harris. How you doing today, Travis? Travis Harris: I'm doing well. How are you doing Jayton? Jayton Miller: I'm doing very well. So for the listeners out there who might not know who you are, do you mind giving them a background? Travis Harris: Yeah, so I guess my official working title is functional nutritional therapy practitioner. I got certified through the Nutritional Therapy Association and went a little my own direction through the discovering the work of Ray Peat and bioenergetics. And I work with clients one-on-one and we work on restoring flow of energy through the body, and that looks different for everyone. Jayton Miller: Awesome. How long have you been doing that? Travis Harris: I've been working one-on-one with clients for about a year now. Jayton Miller: Sweet. And you said that you'd been in the realm of bioenergetics for almost a decade now? Travis Harris: Not bioenergetics, working on my health for about that long. I don't know. I've probably been into Ray Peat's stuff for about three years now. Jayton Miller: Okay. Awesome. So what part of it do you enjoy the most, I would say? Travis Harris: There's so much variation and it's a combination of a lot of things I'm interested in. I like the understanding of metabolism and bioenergetics, how that kind of plays out as like a fundamental layer of reality, like the whole interplay of structure and function. It's just a fun thought experiment, but then, it's also super rewarding to be able to work one-on-one with people and then help them understand their bodies, understand what they need, understand that they can live a life free of a lot of restricted diets that keep them down to a certain way of living and yeah, just enjoy helping people find a new way that's sustainable, a new way of eating that they can just continue forever and not have to binge or fall off the wagon and hate themselves. Jayton Miller: Definitely. You talk about the individualization of eating and listening to your body. Do you mind going into that and why certain things might be different for other people? Travis Harris: Yeah. I think everyone I see is usually caught in some kind of cycle of stress, and where we intersect that cycle of stress is going to be different for everyone. Some people are severely allergic to certain foods. Some people have major microbial imbalance in the small intestine. Some people have severe, a lot of people have severe thyroid hypofunction. I can't diagnose anyone with hypothyroid, but I call it thyroid hypofunction. And then some people are just not eating enough and I help people understand, okay, well when your hands and feet are freezing, that's an adrenaline response. You probably need to eat something, something with protein, something with salt, something with a carbohydrate. Travis Harris: And because everyone's coming at it from a different set point, I can usually help people find foods that are safe and probably because I know what it's like to not have any safe foods and dug myself out of that hole on my own. So I know, okay, marshmallows, gummies, that may be the only thing you can eat for a little bit with gelatin and the anti-inflammatory protein glycine within the gelatin and simple carbohydrate, whether that's sugar, whether it's honey, whether it's juice to help restore metabolism. Jayton Miller: Awesome. What are some of the highest leverage factors that you see pretty consistently whenever you're working with people? Travis Harris: Biggest levers, sleep is obviously huge. But then once you go down into looking at sleep, you got to figure out, okay, why is this person not sleeping? Is it because there's some kind of mineral imbalance or is it because they're just not eating enough calories throughout the day, or do they need a bedtime snack or do they have a bunch of other stressors in their life that are contributing to them not being able to calm down and get into a parasympathetic state? So yeah, sleep is huge. Travis Harris: A lot of people are eating foods that are hurting them. I used to, I was very much like gluten intolerant, but didn't want to be one of those gluten-free people. So I was continuing to, I used to work in a wood shop and they had free bagels and a beer at the end of the day. So I was every day eating two or three bagels, having two or three beers after work and then always in pain and then just pound an Advil. So I see a lot of people that are just kind of stuck and that they're like, "I don't know what to eat. Everything hurts me." So yes, sleep, eating foods that really support you and not tear you down. And then a lot of people come into it with different ideas, like "I need to do intermittent fasting, or I need to do keto." So yeah, just understanding it helps to have a balance of macronutrients. You actually need all three of them. So yeah, I think those would probably be the top three levers. Jayton Miller: Nice. So one of the things you talk about is the rate of living theory versus the bioenergetic theory. Can you go into what those two are and how they're differentiated? Travis Harris: Yeah. Well, it's kind of funny. I guess the rate of living theory was popularized by a guy named Raymond Pearl. And then the bioenergetic theory is popularized by a guy named Raymond Peat. So the rate of living theory is what a lot of people in the fitness world or the biohacking world, or most diets, and even probably the allopathic medical system is based on, like you only have a certain amount of heartbeats. So a lower heart rate is good. You need to be like athlete. Look at athletes, they have a heart rate that's 40 beats per minute. Travis Harris: And then they of had this idea that will lead to a colder body and they think, "Okay, well, that's fine. 96, maybe we should make 96 degrees Fahrenheit the new average body temperature, maybe the less calories we eat the longer we'll live," because there's all these studies that are like caloric restriction leads to longevity. And again, you probably know this as well, but for the listeners, any study that shows even methionine restriction or even caloric restriction as increasing health or longevity, all of that, if you just add in glycine from gelatin and bone broth and collagen, and those kinds of products, you'll see the same effects that you were seeing from muscle meat restriction or caloric restriction. So that's the rate of living theory, you only have a certain amount of heartbeats, you need to be in a cold body. You got to preserve, preserve, preserve. Travis Harris: And then the bio-energetic theory is, in a lot of ways, the opposite of that. So it's we're focusing on a high rate of metabolism and we're focusing on a heartbeat between 70 and 90 and a warm body that's like flowing. I guess the technical definition of bioenergetics would be the study of the transformation of energy in living organisms and then how that energy changes. Yeah, so focusing on higher body temps, higher metabolism. And what that will do in the body, you can rest your gut all day long by fasting or eating a low residue diet. But without the flow of energy to the cells in your gut, you're not going to heal your gut. And that's what I had to realize the hard way is that I could eat all the raw meat and oysters and easily digestible animal foods without carbohydrates and raising that metabolic rate, there wasn't a whole lot of healing happening. I was removing all the challenges, but not actually getting stronger and moving towards a direction where I could eat more food. Does that answer the bioenergetic and? Jayton Miller: Definitely, yeah. For me, the rate of living theory is kind of like the reason that it is unappealing, because whenever I'm old and wrinkly, the last thing that I want to be is freezing to death and barely able to move. Travis Harris: Exactly. Yeah. Jayton Miller: It also reminds me of the abundance mindset versus the mindset of scarcity, and you're kind of looking at that from an energetic perspective, like you can either produce a bunch of energy and have an abundance of it, or you can not produce that much energy and slowly degrade the amount that you're producing. Travis Harris: Yeah, exactly. Did you see, I haven't watched all of it, but the latest, long, seven hour interview with Ray Peat? Jayton Miller: I was watching it last night. I got halfway through the first one. Travis Harris: Yeah. Yeah. That's about where I'm at. But he was talking about how, and I'm also reading The Body Electric, which is a really interesting book, but he was talking about how there's a electromagnetic field coming out a few inches from all your tissues, so like your skin. And the resonance of that electromagnetic field reflects the metabolic rate. There's definitely something to being an energetic person, having the proper flow of energy through the body. I don't know. It's super fascinating, just the whole interplay of structure and energy. I think it was Peat that said structure and energy are interdependent that every level of organization. So you can take that from organelles, cell, tissue, organ, organ system, organism, and then I'm sure it plays beyond the individual organism, because we're all emitting some kind of frequency. I don't want to sound like a total quack, but it's happening whether we realize it or not. Jayton Miller: Definitely. I can't remember if, I want to say it's Dr. Joe Dispenza who is taking measurements of these, but it could be somebody completely different. It's where whenever you have high stress hormones in the body, the amount of space that that electric field takes up will shrink and it'll come in towards the body. And then whenever you have more protective hormones, it will expand and give you like a wider breadth of energy that you're emitting, which is kind of interesting. That's what reminded me whenever he was talking about that. Travis Harris: Yeah. That's super fascinating. Jayton Miller: Definitely. So another thing that you talk really well on is the first 1,000 days of life, whenever it comes to conception of a child, and then possibly up to where they're two, three years old. Can you talk about that and maybe some ways that we can properly feed our children? Travis Harris: Yeah, yeah, totally. Well, the first 1,000 days I think is from conception to around two and a half or something, if that makes sense. Yeah. Two, two years old, something like that. And obviously, preconception is hugely important. And I think there's a girl on Instagram, I think you had her on your podcast before, Miranda? Jayton Miller: Yeah, Lauren. Travis Harris: Yeah. So she amazing at understanding the preconception and fertility and all that. For men, it's not going to get much better than liver and oysters and improving the metabolic rate through easily digestible carbohydrates and getting enough protein and all that. So I think it's just as important for the man to be in a good spot, preconception. That was one thing that really led me towards diving fully into the world of nutrition is my wife got pregnant a few years ago and I was like, "Okay, well, how do we make a decent baby?" I wanted to make a super baby. But I was like, "Okay, how do we just make a kid that's just not sick all the time," because I'm looking around and seeing all these kids that are just so sick. Travis Harris: So I think it's critically important to understand that a baby is made of the nutrients that the mom has. And so you have to make sure that the mom is getting everything she needs and keeping the flow of energy through the placenta. And yeah, really, it's like 10% of the minerals that the baby takes from the mom and then the last trimester, there's a massive transfer of nutrients and energy from the mom to the baby. And so, yeah, critically important to have easily digestible carbohydrates, I'd say at least 100 grams of protein, and that should be animal protein because some of the vegetable proteins are not as bioavailable. You're not going to get what you need from almond flour and pea protein. Travis Harris: Yeah. And nutrient dense foods like liver and oysters, I think are great for that time. I like raw milk. I don't think it's necessary for it to be raw for everyone, but I'm a big fan of it. So you have the baby and then ideally the mom has been supported enough to where she can breastfeed for at least a year or so. And obviously no shame on anyone that can't do that. But ideally that's where you'd be, you'd be supported enough to do that. Even breastfeeding through two years and beyond I think is good. And then obviously, when you start to introduce solid foods to your kid, I think the Weston A. Price Foundation has some decent stuff. I don't recommend Cod liver oil or anything like that, but I think eggs, like runny egg yolks are usually great. And this is not medical advice for anyone listening. But yeah, runny egg yolks, a little bit of liver if you can, and whatever is a easily digestible carbohydrate for them. Travis Harris: So it could look like stewed apples or mashed potatoes. Kids love this way of eating. They'll only eat what you put in front of them. If they've never had goldfish, they're not going to be screaming for goldfish. So yeah, we always just sat the food in front of our kid and he gets to decide how much of it he eats, but we decide what he's eating. But yeah, those first 1,000 days, that sets the tone for the rest of your life. I think you have like a few different times throughout your life where, like pre-puberty is also important because that's when some real epigenetic switches are being turned on or off. In that first 1,000 days is you're kind of going to flipping different epigenetic switches for your kid. And you want the best expression of the genes for your kid to set them up for a life of health and function. Jayton Miller: Definitely. Yeah. I think that's one thing that is very important and I think it's one thing that people don't really take enough time to really investigate whenever it comes down to it. So I really appreciate you putting that information out there. What other kind of things are you diving into right now? What are you interested in? Travis Harris: Oh man. I've been exploring a little bit more of what, because we talked about the bioenergetic theory being a fundamental layer of reality, been exploring different ideas of how that plays out in relationships or how it plays out in communities. Even, I just went down a rabbit hole of bioenergetic architecture. I don't know anything about Egypt or anything, besides a few Joe Rogan podcasts. But even the pyramids, I think it was pretty well established that they were conduits of energy and there's some electrical currents and fields going on just based on the structure and then the materials that made it. So that interplay of energy and structure, it's really fun and there's a lot of different areas you could take. It's just so fascinating. Jayton Miller: Definitely. What was the book that you mentioned earlier? Travis Harris: The Body Electric. Jayton Miller: Okay. Another one that I really recommend, kind of along that field, is Healing is Voltage. Travis Harris: I haven't read that yet. Jayton Miller: Yeah, that one's another really good one that highly recommend. Travis Harris: I'll write it down. Jayton Miller: Awesome. Travis Harris: So if we want to go down that route, that's why stuff like acupuncture, people find a lot of benefit in that. People find a lot of benefit and all kinds of different healing modalities because at the end of the day, it is a matter of improving the flow of energy through the body. So I focus on doing that nutritionally. I think that's a pretty good foundation, but for some people, it's going to be releasing trauma, it's going to be doing, well I didn't watch that episode, but you had Lauren and Theresa on there and Meg Langston. But Theresa does a lot of good stuff with the EFT, like the tapping thing. I think whatever strategies you can implement to get into a parasympathetic state are going to improve that flow of energy through the body. It's just cool that there is so many different ways that people have found to really heal and feel good. Jayton Miller: Definitely. The more that I tend to look into the somatic experience of the body and the health of the body, the more that I tend to hold weight to psychology and just the wellbeing of the mental state of the individual. One thing that I find really interesting is suppression and repression of certain experiences. So whenever something is suppressed, it's at the conscious level, so you can actively suppress it. Whenever something is repressed, it's subconsciously buried. Travis Harris: Yeah. Jayton Miller: So you're not aware of it. That's kind of where my interest is right now is how do we uncover those states that are stressing us out without us even knowing about it? Travis Harris: Yeah. Jayton Miller: And then how can we overcome that as quickly as possible? Travis Harris: Yeah. That's great. There's a lot of different strategies people use and they're called different things in different communities. I know some people are really into NLP and then there's different Christian communities that do something kind of similar to where you go back and you get in a really relaxed state and view some traumatic memories and reframe them or see yourself moving through that. Or let's say you have basically a movie playing on repeat in your subconscious, and it's some traumatic memory. And trauma can be anything super serious, like our bodies and our minds will place different emphasis on different things based on who we are. So a trauma for one person could be baby games for another person, but you go back and you look at some of those memories and reframe them and see, "I had support then. That wasn't that bad." Jayton Miller: Definitely. Do you have any tips for where someone would start with that? Travis Harris: Oh, man. I'm not like a master at meditating or anything like that, but taking some time to ask yourself those questions of "Okay, what is something that always brings itself out of nowhere?" And, "What are my trigger? What causes me anxiety? What are conversations that I tend to shut down? Yeah, basically just exploring your triggers and leaning into them. And then if you can get into somewhat of a meditative state, it doesn't have to be super crazy, but just relaxing and closing your eyes and then thinking about, "Okay, what are my triggers? How did they start? When was the first time I was triggered in this way?" And then seeing if you can just talk yourself through it or if you have a friend that you can express those things with, that's always going to be good too. Jayton Miller: Definitely. I think the biggest thing in my experience is making sure that I nurture humility. So to know that those things that are triggering me are most likely myself, not exactly the other person. Travis Harris: Exactly, yeah. Jayton Miller: And then journaling is always good. And I always like to do handwritten journaling versus typing it. I think the interaction with matter makes it a very novel experience. And sometimes it will be half a page, sometimes it'll be three, four or five pages. And depending on the state that you're in, it could come very quickly or it could just take a minute, but something will come out. So that's been very beneficial in my experience. Travis Harris: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Jayton Miller: Sweet. So where can people find your work and stuff that you're doing right now? Travis Harris: Well I'm on Instagram, TravisHarrisfntp. And my website is TravisHarrisnutritionaltherapy.com. That's pretty much it. I'm on Facebook, but I don't use it. Jayton Miller: Sounds good. Well, I really appreciate your time. Thank you for hopping on here. And everybody listening, make sure to go give him a follow and check out his website. Travis Harris: Yeah, it was great talking to you, Jayton. Jayton Miller: Have a good one. Travis Harris: You too. Jayton Miller: Thanks for listening to the podcast. If you haven't already, make sure to hit the like button, subscribe and leave a comment down below if you want us to cover a different topic.

Alert. Alert. George has heard of Clerks. He knew it was a movie and he even knew it took place in New Jersey! But... well, that is all he knew. So Travis and Dan gladly filled in the details.   Will George understand why Clerks is so well loved? Or will he take some convincing? Can Travis get the funding together for his rather spiteful side project? How many times does Dan need to be reminded about parking lot etiquette? Join us to find out!   Theme song recorded by The Hungry Sevens, featuring Shawnee Houlihan.

GEORGE:  Alright, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the mind at George. It is free for all Friday, and I am picking everything bagel seeds out of my teeth today. And I'm excited because Travis is going to be talking and I'm going to be enjoying the flavor of this bagel for the next 45 minutes. And I have no idea why.But I went on a bagel kick this morning and I couldn't buy one. So I bought three. But today I am super, super excited, added to be joined by my guest who has an amazing bio. You can just Google it because it's phenomenal. And I would take the whole episode for me to read it, but it's somebody that I've actually known of an internet stock for probably four or five years. And it wasn't until our amazing mutual friend, Zach Benson introduced us. And so today I have Travis Chappell and the reason that I love Travis above everything else that he does besides the two podcasts. Amazing software working with the top entrepreneurs in the world is that Travis gets it. And when I say Travis gets it, he gets that people matter over everything else.And he has built his mission, helping people connect with people and not having them feel like you're a snake in the grass or kind of just in it for a deep transaction. And so that's the best intro I could give him. So Travis, welcome to the show.TRAVIS:  George what's up, man. Thanks so much for having me.GEORGE:  Do you have such a good podcasting voice? I can totally get it now. I love it. TRAVIS:  It's the mic. It's the mic setup.  GEORGE:   That's what I say. I was like, I'm still learning how to play with the audio tool so I can make myself, like, I want to be able to give myself a British accent, an Australian accent. And then like have that deep tone. Cause I feel like when you have one of those accents, you just sound 10 times smarter than everything else. TRAVIS:  True. It's actually psychologically proven. Yes. GEORGE:  I make this stuff up, but it's probably cause I heard it somewhere and that's how the neuroplasticity of my brain works. So one of the questions that I always love to start with, and I'm actually so interested to hear your response to this one.So the first question I ask is when you look back at your career and you've had quite a career. What was the biggest mistake or the biggest lesson that you've learned and what'd you take away from it and apply  nowTRAVIS:  I'd have to say that the biggest mistake that I've made is pushing things off and procrastinating. I ended up kind of be that type of a person in general, even like, you know, thinking back through school and in college and all that kind of stuff. It was just, I was always working best under pressure. You know, if the project's due tomorrow, I'm up the night before and I'll knock it out and I'll get an a, but I'm going to procrastinate till the very end. And so that's definitely something that I've had taken away from my entrepreneurial journey, because it bites you in the ass if you do it too much, you know what I'm saying? Like it no longer is a matter of,, well, it. You know that's one of those reasons. I think school is not a total proper preparation for what life is because there was no really there was no really con there was a real consequences to me waiting till the last minute to do a school project, except for that, you know, I'm up until 2:00 AM or whatever.That's really the only consequence which is that's not that big of a deal to you in college. You know what I mean? So like you can make it happen. You get an a, and you move on, but. The thing is in your entrepreneurial journey. If you sit on ideas too long, people will just start doing them.You know what I mean? Like didn't lose, you can lose time. You can lose a lot of money. You can lose influence, you can lose attention. There's so many things that that you lose by continuing to push things off and specifically the big thing I'm talking about is my podcast. Because man, if I would have just started it around the same time that I thought about starting oneI'd be a year ahead of where I am, which at three a week would be, you know, an additional 150 200 episodes, which would be an additional couple hundred thousand downloads, which would be an additional, a certain amount. of Followers and audience and attention and more money. And like everything would have been on a faster timeline if I started faster. And so I think there's a lot of people that just kind of sit around and wait for some magical day when everything's going to align. And it's just never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to happen.So you just gotta decide how important is it to you? That's really the big question. Like you shouldn't just get started with everything that you think about or else you'd be doing your thing. But how important is it to you? And if it is really important to you, then do it now. Like it started now, regardless of if it's a messy action, action at all is better than no action.GEORGE:  You know what, man, I so much, so much, there's probably like a stoic novel of entrepreneurial wisdom that just got pulled out of that answer. But the thing for me is like, you've talked about the podcast. It took me nine years. Like I wanted to launch my podcast in 2011. And, you know, what's not says I had a Heil, PR 40 microphones sitting in my room closet for eight and a half years, and I still don't use it, but at least I have a podcast now. But I literally, I've never used that microphone. And I kept it as a reminder of like, you know, when you do something like you've got to trust yourself and go all in, because I think about it and I'm glad I didn't like for all the right reasons. Like, I've learned a lot of lessons I'm in a different place now, but. It's actually really interesting because even now successful entrepreneur, when I launched this podcast a couple a couple months, we're doing amazing, but I had the same fears I had come up nine years ago. They didn't. They, you know, they didn't feel any different, they didn't taste any different, but I had a different set of tools in my toolbox and I was like, yeah, this doesn't matter, right.I actually was going to unpack it for you. So it's like, when I think about that, you know, as an entrepreneur, I think a lot, one of the times we sit here on the other side, we talk about like, Hey, you know, don't wait, don't wait, don't wait. And it wasn't like a brick in the face that hit me with that.It took years of learning. Like every time I missed because the consequences of waiting aren't immediate. There's like a very slow drip and fallout. And so how do you, like you said, when you talked about it, like, make sure it's important to you. Like, how do you vet, like what's important to you versus like, does this move the needle on the business? Is this for my personal tank? Like how do you go through that process? And then what's the first step that you do to do something. TRAVIS:   To me, it's the rocking chair test, which is something that Tony Robbins talks about a good amount and really resonates with me for whatever reason, but really quick, before I do that, I want to touch on something that you mentioned. You mentioned the Heil PR 40, and for those listening, that's like four or $500 microphone, a really nice microphone.  and when you're first starting out podcasting, you don't have to have something like that. And what I find to be a common denominator, George, between people who take action immediately and then actually stick with it versus people who go out and do something like that, where they like bought this microphone.I think the big difference there is you're taking action with the things that are the most fun parts of the task at hand. And I think that some, I think that if you're like, if you're going to take action, you should start it. Taking action on things that are going to move the needle, not necessarily the things that are emotionally most, you know, emotionally the coolest thingsabout the new venture that you're doing.You know what I mean? Like don't, don't, don't worry. Like if you're, if you just like, man, I just really want to buy this microphone, like, cause you know, and we all know that we're not logical creatures. We make decisions by emotion and we justify with logic. So it's like, you know, I really want this microphone, but I wouldn't really, it. So then you're, you're, you've decided that you want the microphone. This is now your logic is going to work and being like, well, but if I do this and I start this podcast, that's going to make money and then I can make money back on the microphone that about. And like you're finding all these reasons. So you go out and you buy the microphone, you're super excited about it. And then you like set it up or maybe you don't set it up. But but the point is saying is like, Don't just do the things that are fun about the new thing that you're trying, or the action that you're taking. Like do some of the things like, you know, buy the course before you buy the microphone and educate yourself, work on yourself internally, make yourself get up at 5:00 AM for the next seven days and work for one hour on your new thing.And then reward yourself with the fun stuff, reward yourself with that microphone records and episodes into your laptop. Audio, have it be a crappy as can be, but it's a, if I can do this for 30 days in a row, then in 30 days, I'm gonna go out and I'm going to get a microphone. I'm rewarding myself. I think that  plan of attack is going to keep you in the game a little bit longer and prevent you from spending money on a bunch of stuff that you never use.But anyway, back to the original question here, uh, so the rocking chair test, that's something that I use to decide if I should attack a new venture. As entrepreneurs, we all kind of have that shiny object syndrome and, you know, I'm 28. I've only been doing this entrepreneurship thing. Well, basically I've never had a job, so kind of it since forever since I was supporting myself at, you know, I got married when I was like 21. So since I was 21supporting myself. And in that time, period, I don't know how many things I've tried out. So many things that I've tried. And it's gotten a lot more clear over the years.  butI think that testing period was really important because it just helped me work through some different things and figure out, okay, well, I don't really want to be doing this.This isn't something that I'm like super great at. I don't really believe in this product that much. And it like brought me all the way up to this point. And now as I look at new ventures, it's really important to sit and take a second and say, how important is this to me to have accomplished at some point in my life. And I think that the rocking chair tells helps me do that. And so that's basically what it, is imagine yourself at 90 years old, 95 years old, sitting on a rocking chair on your front porch, looking back at your life and ask yourself if I do not do this thing. If I do not pursue this new venture or in this new direction, will I regret that at some point? And I think that not enough people ask themselves that question. And I think people are two are more afraid of failure or of regret where, to me, I'm way more afraid of having regret when I'm 90, then then failing a bunch until I get to 90, you know, knock on wood. But yeah, I think the, I think that that test is really is really a big thing for me.It was a huge thing when I started the software stuff, man, cause I mean, it was a big leap. We've spent a good amount of money in dev work to get this thing up and running, just to see if it's something that people even want. And that was a big, I'm not, I'm not a SAS founder. I'm not a software guy. I'm not a developer myself. It's it's a big risk to take on this brand new venture that I know little to, nothing about just because I thought I had a pretty good idea about it. When I sat there and asked myself that question, like if I look back in, you know, even if it's not, when I'm 90, let's say it's 60 or 70 or 50 or whatever.When I look back on this time in my life, will I regret not doing this? And the answer is just always overwhelmingly a yes, it was just like, I'm going to always look back at this moment. And , if none of my other dreams come true, especially if none of my other dreams come through, all the goals and the things that I'm working toward in life, if those things don't come true, I know, 100% for sure that I'm going to look back on this moment and be like, man, what if I just would have tried that software? That would have been the thing. You know what I mean? Like that, that would have been like, I could have, I could have sped up this timeline. I wouldn't have to go do this thing now when I'm 68, but I don't want to be doing like, you know what I mean? When I really look at those new ventures, new opportunities, I always ask myself. If I don't do this, will I regret it? And if so, how extreme, like how extreme will that regret be? You know what I mean? So, um, uh, that's, that's kinda how I vet out those new ideas. Sometimes.GEORGE:  That's good. I've, I've actually, I've heard it. I've never heard it explained like that. Well, it's a really, really simple concept and it's funny too, because you know, for those of you that don't know. So Travis has two podcasts, has been killing the game, entrepreneurship that working all this amazing thing. And then Travis is like, I think there's a better way for podcasters to do certain things. I'm going to launch a software, which is the opposite of like the shiny dopamine hit that you talked about with like buying the new microphone, right?You went the other way. Right. And I think, I think Travis, like you nailed it. Oh, it was for me. Right. It was the illusion that I wanted to do something, but I hadn't laid the foundation.Or built the container strong enough to hold myself accountable. Right. And so like for me now I know myself, right? Like I'm successful, but I also know my backdoor. So the moment I have an idea, I know if I'm going to do it, I have to post it publicly before I do anything or else I will find 8,000,064 different reasons just not do it. So I like I'll go live on Facebook podcasts, but Hey guys, just so you know, this is coming in like the next 30 days.And I have to like, put that accountability out to put in that work. Cause I think too. The undertow of what you said when you answered that question about the microphone  was gold and then the rocking chair test, and then the software that you're launching the venture too. I think one of the things that's underneath it, and you said it right without saying it is that. Success is not this big thing. It's the combination of these little things. Things that we do every single day. I mean, you're, you're going from everyone, like sees us off where program lash like, Oh, I'm so stoked. I'm so pissed. They're charging me so much money. I'm like, they've been working on that for four years. Like four years. You didn't know it existed.Paying for it, paying employees, devving it, you're buying it UX and all of it. And so. You've been working on this software, it's coming out actually soon. It might come out by the time this year podcast comes out. But when you think about that and thinking about what you talked about, like, okay, what are some of the lessons that you've learned in building the software? It's not your forte, it's not your expertise. It's your idea. And it's kind of putting into practice, the rocking chair, test, the shiny object syndrome being eliminated. Like how have you processed through that? And like, yeah, what's come up. What have you learned? Like, I'd love to hear some of that.TRAVIS:  And I know that you're going to love this answer because I know that's something we've talked about before. 100%, the most helpful thing during this entire process has been my network. Like without question on multiple, on multiple regards, that one of the biggest things that I've heard from SAS founders, and anytime I'm like trying a new venture, I kind of use it selfishly as I'm going throughout my, like, interviewing on my show.So you'll notice like, almost, almost like, um, industry leaning trends as I gain interest and other things, you know what I mean? Um, and so like you go through like a real estate investing thing and you talk to a bunch of real estate investors. And so I, you know, When I was starting the SAS stuff, I started talking to more SAS founders and things. And one of the biggest issues that I heard come up over and over again. And then I read through an, a software building book and took a couple online things about software. Andone of the  biggest thing, that I heard was just nightmares with development teams was like one of the biggest common denominators, one of the biggest common problems or issues for SAS founders.And I keep saying SAS, just to kind of define that in case you're wondering what that is. You're listening. It's a software as a service. And one of the biggest, one of those biggest problemsis that dev team issues? Well, I got super lucky, man, because I knew a guy who, reached out to me about starting a podcast for his software development company to get more clients in his software development company.And when we were talking, I told him about this software idea that I was kicking around in my head. And he was like, I think that's a tremendous idea. So usually this company, you would charge like $10,000 for a wire frame, which was enough to prevent me from figuring out what it would look like. Cause I, you know what I mean? Cause I knew that there were software dev shacks that would do something similar. And, but I was so focused on some other things that I was working on, but it wasn't a top priority for me to go out  and purposefully spend that amount of money just to see if I liked the product and want it to go get it built.Right. So, uh, he's a friend of mine that I've known for awhile. And after we decided to work on the podcast, we hopped on another call. He's like, we should just hop on a call and yeah. Work through what that might look like. So it helps call. We talked about it a bunch, and then a week later he shows me this wireframe that he did totally for free. And then I looked at the wireframe and I was like, I have to build this, that this has to exist. I think that it's going to be a knockout. I think that it's a good enough idea. I think that it has a lot of legs and you know, this guy's been in the software space for a long time. He agreed that obviously there was a external reason for him to agree that it had legs because he gets paid to do the dev work.But also he was a friend. So I actually trusted him. He wasn't just some random guy that found me online and wanted me todo his podcast for him. So that by itself was a good, like that connect by itself was amazing just to be able to have to work with a good dev shop that's, based in the U S and that does incredible will work and doesn't charge out the wazoo. For that incredible work. They do what they say they're going to do it. mostly has been on time. There's been a couple of delays, but that's just, that's like building a custom home and expecting it to be done on time too. It's just like, things just don't happen like that.There's always issues that come up that you're not sure that you're not sure, you know, that you couldn't have estimated from the beginning, but anyway, it's been mostly a positive experience. And and I've noticed that for sure, because other friends that I have that are doing similar dev work right. They've been working on it for months and months longer than we've been working on ours. And they are still months away from launching, whereas we're a couple of weeks away from launching. So just that one connection was good by itself, but now. Since then I've other questions about that kind of stuff, but I've never gone through like a fundraising round and all that kind of stuff.And it's still at this point, I haven't, but I was able to get on the phone with several entrepreneur friends that I now have, that I've built through the podcast, by the way, I was able to get on a phone with a bunch of them and ask them a ton of questions about like, Hey, Uh, what, what would you recommend on a seed round? Is that a click, a convertible or a safe orlike it, should there be some sort of options pool? Like what exactly do I do? How do I structure that? And then they a couple people, multiple people that made introductions to me to start up attorneys that would help me get my I legal docs set up all of, through introductions from people in my own network on relationships that I've worked on building for the last couple of years.And then a step further, bro. Even beyond all of the logistics and getting the company set up and, and learning some things , about raising capital and learning things about the, the a, the C Corp formation, because all I've ever done is like single member LLCs. That file is us corpse. And that, like, I see corp out of my world, you know, so asking all these questions, because it all these different things doing my own private, independent research, and then getting to the point where about a month ago started reaching out to people because we wanted to build up a list of guests that were going to be bookable on the site.So basically  it's a game and create a marketplace where if you have a YouTube channel or a podcast or a blog and you interview high level people for that, this is a way to connect with those people without going through months and months of trying to figure out where their media contact is and who the right person is and go through their gatekeeper and find an email and then schedule.And then in 17 email chain, it's basically go to their profile. Pay a thousand bucks or whatever their price is that they charge, book them on your show, have it scheduled in the County. I do the call. It's all taken care of within the site. And it's a pay-to-play marketplace so that you can for sure guarantee that you're going to get interviews. People you want to know. And so, when we were looking at the launch, we were like, okay, we can either go after the creators or we can go after the guests. We can't go after both because it would split our time and not be as effective. So I was like, let's go after the guests. Cause they're the ones with the audiences that will also have creators and they'll be able to bring in more users to the platform that way.We go out to  this list. And the first thing that I did is I is we went through all of the guests that have ever been on the build network. Yes. Which now at this point we're almost at 500 episodes. So we're coming up 300 something guests at this point. Cause some of them were solo shows and different combinations and things. So we reached out to that entire list. We have a list now almost 75 people. In the last two or three weekswhom have their own audiences. A lot of them are really well known, especially in the business and entrepreneurial space and especially in the consecration space, speaking space and all that, all those types of things, every single one of those people.Was, we're not cold pitches. They were warm, reached out it's to people that already had that I had already had a relationship with them. They've agreed to come onto the platformfor a couple of reasons. First of all, I think it's actually a useful platform. I think the software that we built actually has some really cool features. And if you're in this space or industry at all, I think that you would see that and it's all totally free because it's more of a platform as a service than it is a software as a service. Yeah. So our goal is basically just users. So, you know, it's a lot easier of a yes, but also the second reason that they're willing to say yes is because we have a PR like a preexisting relationship and there's a bunch of other people who have already said yes.So like literally bro, every single step along the way, there's a ton of uncertainty and there still is uncertainty. Obviously we haven't launched it. We still don't know how it's gonna work, work with people. Um, but I will say that, yeah, if I tried to do this two years ago, three years ago, Uh, I would be a million steps behind where I am right now. Just, just simply because of the relationships that are, that are, um, you know, existence in my life now. GEORGE: Cause nobody likes them or the people that get it.And one of the things that I think is so powerful, what you said is like, when you connected with this dev. There was a point where obviously he's incentivized because he'll be doing the dev work, but the quality of your relationship is what dictated his ability to go that deep invest that much capital and time into what it was offer based on the relationship that you had built and that wasn't transactionally, he reached out for help. You helped him. You did all of that thing. And what I think a lot of times, like I said, that we run up to, we, we teach relationships beat algorithms like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, yeah. But the payoff, like reciprocity doesn't work tomorrow. Like reciprocity is a bank that comes out whenever it's needed to come up, but it could be a year from now two years from now. And you have no idea how far that ripple travels. And I think, you know, that's a Testament to it. So I think this is a perfect opportunity, by the way. What's the name of the, um, the software for everybody knows. TRAVIS:  Yeah, it's called guestio. So you can find it over @ www.guestio.comGEORGE:  So here's, what's funny. I'll tell you this story before it has name this question. So I want to Carole Baskin and on the podcast, right? Like from, from Tiger King, like bingo is going, going crazy. And I was like, everybody does the same thing.  They reach out to PR people and I wanted to talk to her about her marketing. Cause like, quite frankly, like she's a marketing genius, you know? The jury's out on anything else, but from a marketing perspective, servant's like, you're never going to get ahold of her. And I was like, she's on cameo. And that app cameo, if you guys don't know, you pay X amount of dollars and you get it, the celebrity to record your voice or shout out. And so I was like, what if I pay for a cameo to give her my contact information, tell her I'm going to spread the message of her service and give her my email. So I send this cameo. And I don't give her anything to record the message. She cancels the cameo because there's nothing to record. Sends me an email and said, Oh, that was super creative. Can't wait, connect. Here's my email and got her contact info without her, for like paying a dollar. And I was like, I made guestio 1.0, without them knowing. TRAVIS:  That's exactly right, bro. That's, that's exactly where the idea came from cheering for people on there. And I was like, man, I wish I could guarantee that they're going to say yes to an interview, but there's no way to guarantee that. And so, uh, so I was like, well, why don't I just build it? GEORGE:  I felt responsible for them adding the feature to text after, because I did that six times and I got ahold of all six people and all six of them personally emailed me and I never paid a dollar because they refund your money. If the request isn't funny, right. And then I was like, I have morals and ethics. And I was like, okay, I really feel bad. Like this works. I just can't go teach this. . Like, I'll just leave it for what it is. And then you come along. But like, when you think about it, right, like you talk about, you've been working on years on like building your network and building your network.Like, what are some of the big things that you focus on when you meet somebody when you're building your network? Like, how do you ensure that, that connection or that relationship as positive and doesn't feel slimy and snaky, like we're used to. TRAVIS:  So the one way that I sign of my, every single podcast that I do on both network is remember to leave every relationship better than you found it.And it's not a first heard from Gary V where he talks about basically he always strives to add 51% of the value in every relationship that he has. And when I read that, I was like, that just makes sense to me that is the way. That people should be treated. And it was a little bit different of an idea for me at the time, because I was used to doing door to door sales, which is  like the opposite of networking. You know what I mean? Like it is literally knocking on a door and then selling something within 10 minutes of meeting somebody, which is literally the opposite of what you're supposed to do when you're networking and building relationships. And when I went through that, I was like, man, this seems just like a way better way to get the job done.Like one way you'll always be working. The other way you can build wealth in a shorter period of time. Just not right now. You know what I mean? Like it's not going to be right now, but if you do a good enough job building relationships over the course of the next 10 years at 20 years, it's going to be way more impact full then if you're just focusing on the short term transactions, because if you do that, you're going to be focusing on that for the next.40 years, 50 years. Cause you're never going to get a break from that. You better be really freaking smart with your money, if that's the way that you're treating relationships. And so that's one of the big things  that I try to instill with people is just to remember, to leave evolution better than you found it. Even if you have nothing to benefit from our relationship. If you have nothing that can help you or profit you from a relationship, always try to offer some value, get used to doing favors for people as long as they don't, take out huge chunks of your day. And as long as they don't make you in-congruent or inconsistent with the way that you choose you to live your life.If you're a coach for instance, and people pay you. 10 grand for your coaching session. You know, you obviously don't want to just hop on a ton of free coaching calls with somebody because for the sake of like helping them, because that's obviously completely unfair for the people who were paying you a ton of money to get access to your time. So I think that's a little bit different, but what I am saying is like, if you can make a quick connection or if you can recommend a quick tool, or you can shout out a book to somebody or say, Hey, I read an article this morning, thought you might enjoy it, send it off to somebody or you're, you know, out and about something reminds you of somebody that, you know, shoot them a quick video. Why not just reengage those people always be trying to add a little bit of value to the lives of the people that are around you. And what it does mean is that it makes people conspire for your good yeah. And when you have a ton of people that are just hoping that you do well, you know what I mean? They're just there. They're hoping they're there, they're there wishing the best upon you. Um, that's just, you know, I, I know this is a woo woo or whatever, but that's just good energy. It's good energy to have, you know, when there's a bunch of people conspiring for your good and for your benefit in the world, just because like, you're just a helpful person that never seems to care about all the other things. That's such a really, that's just a really awesome thing to have. GEORGE:   I say I'm wooo wooo covered in tattoos. They come, I just don't look it right. Like the tattoos were like a good hiding spot for me for awhile.  So when I think about this, right. when you think about these relationships and you think about always improving upon this silence rider, adding a bit of new founder, Gary, like we we've seen it.And the truth , is that. It does work. And it's not even that, like it works to get something out of it. Like it's just about being a good human being and like, understanding that this is what's going to change the world. AndI, it took me a long time to realize that, remember, you know, when I was like in the beginning of entrepreneurship and I like made my first million, I went to a conference and keynoted, I was like backstage with all the other speakers.And I was like, Let me tell you about me. Let me tell you about me. Let me tell you about me. And I was like, ah, they never just texted me back ever. Like I wouldn't even get their number.  Like good lessons that we had to learn, you know, to play the game. But one things that I find really interesting and I love to hear how people do this. When you start building relationships with people like you're talking about, like when you plant a seed, you have to water it and water and water it. And if you want that vegetable, you have to tend to it. Sometimes you have to water it once a month. Sometimes you can just let that thing grow and it's a Lotus and it comes through mud.And other times you have to water it daily, but like, how do you look at nurturing relationships with people when you build them? Like you have a really big network of people. And so is there anything that you proactively do or do you kind of just build it reactively and keep it open? Like, Hey, hit me up anytime. Like how do you see that, that nurturing of the watering of that garden that you've built with your network? TRAVIS: That's honestly something that I'm trying to get a lot better at, to be honest with you, man, because I am not super great at re-engaging and remembering things like that. My my wife will be the first one to line up and tell you that. I just try to do more things like exactly what I was just saying when I'm out and about I'm thinking about something or something reminds me of somebody I'll shoot them a quick text, shoot them a quick video, just, Hey, thinking about you haven't talked to in awhile, whatever.I think that goes a long way with people, especially now. When you just kind of assume that people catch up with your stuff, because while I'm posting it all online, there's something called an algorithm that doesn't show your stuff that you post online to everybody that knows you. So, it's really good to get off of those platforms and just shoot a text or shooting or shoot something out that's a little bit more personalized, especially if you can do a video really quick stuff like that, I think that is really beneficial. The other thing that I think that I do pretty well is connecting other people to each other as a form of continuing to stay in touch with people. So anytime I come across somebody who I'm like, it triggers a memory in my mind of a conversation that I had with somebody else.And I think that these two might be able to have a conversation, but I just make an introduction. I ask both people always get a double opt in intro because you never know if people are trying to avoid each other. You don't want to, you know, I've been, I've been put into introductions like that with people where I'm like, ah, come on, man.I don't like, this is already a person that I've talked to and they're just trying to like, get something from me and I've already told them no. And now I'm in this awkward conversation that I have to back out of because you're a friend of mine and I don't want to like, make it seem like, you know what I mean?So I'll always get the double opt in intro, but make introductions as much as you can, man. Be the connector of people.  I made an introduction. I didn't even know if it was going to go anywhere.  I don't know if you know, Jordan Harbinger and, and interpreter.  Brandon's a host of bigger pockets and Jordan has the Jordan harbinger show, too.It shows in iTunes bigger pockets podcast, the largest real estate investing podcast out there. They get three, 4 million something downloads a month.  Jordan's show is 6 million downloads a month. And I made a connection to them like, like, uh, a while ago. I don't remember even how long ago it was, but I just asked both of them like, Hey, I think this would be a fruitful connection.You know, they're both really cool people. You both kind of are, are living kind of outside of the other onlinebusiness type people, like all the funnel, hackers, community, like you guys are like, definitely. Away from that community. I think that you have multiple things that you agree on that you touch,  multiple crossover touch points. and so I was just like, Hey, you mind if I make an intro? And both of them said, sure. You know, and it was kind of like, yeah, but I mean, I can't really do much because my show is a real estate podcast. And then Jordan was like, yeah, I can't really do much though, because you know, he's about real estate.We don't really talk about real estate on the show. And I was like, all right, no worries. But I mean, the thing is be cool. If you guys got to know each other, it turns out a few months later, Brandon and bigger pockets decide to bring on an another interview into their weekly schedule, just about mindset in general, instead of just real estate investing, because that's a huge part of any business is working on your mind and going through the personal development journey.And the first guest that Brandon had on that segment of the bigger pockets podcast was Jordan harbinger. And so it was really, it was a really cool opportunity. To be brought up in another conversation. Andand know that I was able to add value to both of them, as well as the entire or audience that listens to the conversation.When back when, like, I didn't really even know what would come of it and I wasn't trying to get anything out. Yeah. Out of it. It was just a way of just trying to add a little bit of value to people. And I think if you get in that habit, it's a really good habit to get into. So be it be a connector of manGEORGE:  you're yeah, you're really good at that. And, and I've learned, I've learned how to do this by doing it all wrong and then learning how to do a ride and paying attention to those around me.  By the way, like, I need to talk about this double opt in thing too. Like. It is the worst thing you can do. Cause like I'm really available, like really available and I'm like, I'll talk to anybody, but I'm always like, Hey, can you ask me first? I've had intros to people that I swore, like I should have had restraining orders againstI'm like, I'm getting punked. This is a joke. One of my friends, like how did they not? And I'm like, I respond like WTF. I'm like, Oh my God, I forgot. How could you forget? You know, like, I feel like you opened Pandora's box and the poison of the play comes out again. And I was like, here it comes.  Like I did something in the universe to warrant this happening again, and now I have to play with it.You know, one of the things it's something I think about a lot too Travis and a couple like friends of mine, I've learned all of it. Like, so obviously, you know, and I know Jordan, by the way, I love his show. By the way, if you guys haven't listened to Jordan Harbinger, go check them out. Um, uh, Jim Kwik, right?So Jim's a really good friend of mine, all about mindset. And I love when Jim teaches things like people like how to remember a hundred days, how to remember a hundred names. How do I remember a hundred names? But I think one of the secrets about being a connector or one of the secrets about being in good relationships is being an active. listener. And it's not the have to remember, like, one of the things that I do is I never try to remember everything. I try to remember something unique. Nobody else would pay attention to about somebody like what their favorite dog treat was, or like what their, you know, the name of theiryou know, kid's favorite movie was there like some random thing. That's so easy for me to remember because it's so random and it feels so important about them because everybody else tell me how much money you make. Tell me what your business is. Tell me how you can, you know, pull those levers. And so I combined like. The knowledge of like four of my friends. So Jim teaches the memory stuff and then Steve's another really good friend of mine.I love what Steve says. So like you and I get off a call, right. And by the way, I did this with you because I had to, the moment we got off the call, I remember what we talked about. I went in my calendar and I sent three reminders in the future. And I made one note about what we talked about. That was it.And so I made a note and I was like, Hey, follow up a Travis ride. I was like, I know he's in Vegas. You gotta let him know I'm going there. Like, I, I wrote down, it took me like two seconds and I just wrote it down and then it ended up working out perfectly I do on the podcast. So Steve's like always like always take a note and just set a reminder to follow up with people.And so what I did is I, I took this one step further and I've, I've never shared this, but every time I get on a call with somebody like coming to do work with, or I'm doing business with the moment I get off the call pre-write and schedule three emails in the future, schedule them all that day. And so one goes like a week later, like, Hey, just far, I'm super glad we connected another one, like a month later. And then like three months later and I make them really evergreen, like just a, Hey checking in on you like Dean Jackson, nine word style. And then Jesse, Itzler. Said this a long time ago. And one of Jessie's biggest hacks is like, we all know, like I just had a monk on the podcast and his favorite quote of mine was like, if you can't shit without your phone, you're not living.And  I loved it. Right. Like, it was like the best moment it's wisdom. And I was like, hearing him say it, like, you know, turned my heart and then made me feel guilty at the same time. And I was like, okay, cool. So now there's times I intentionally shit without my phone, but now the rest of it, Jessie's like, Do yourself a favor. We all have plenty of pockets. Are we get in the endless scroll of Instagram? I'm on YouTube or whatever. He's like stop. And yeah, he's like when about, you're about to go there, open your phone, open your phone to an app and send three video messages or three texts messages to anybody that you have just check in.And that's it. Yeah, I do that every day and the results are absolutely mind blowing.  I don't know, there was some little things that like have come up for me years of doing this. Cause like I used to overcomplicate it right out, send like handwritten cards and Burt and nobody cares. They just want to know that you're thinking about it, that you're in a relationship and it always tends to open up the universe.TRAVIS:  well, that's exactly right. It tends to open up the universe we needed to because you, a lot of people try to try to, you know, avoid digging their wells thirsty. And that is the opposite  of how to have good relationships. You know, it's like if somebody hits you up after like nine years, you've not, you haven't talked in a really long time.Your first inclination is like, okay, this person's either about to like talk to me about, you know, Jesus or talk to me about their new supplement that they sell with, you know, EMA or whatever company hasn't been shut down by the FTC. You know what I mean? Like there's, there's something, there's some reason that they're reaching out and they're usually right. It's usually like you get so many of those pitches of people , that are like, obviously just sent out. You know, a thousand messages to their entire 1000 Facebook friends that they have. And all of them say more or less the same exact thing cause they're trying this numbers game thing, it just doesn't work.You have to dig your well before you're thirsty. And like that is exactly, you don't know when you're going to need relationships in your life. You don't know. And the software is a really good example for me on that, because the first few years when I was doing my podcast, I didn't know exactly what I was doing. I just knew that I liked podcasting on. I wanted to build an audience around this whole idea of building relationships and using your network and creating an environment that makes you a better person and all that kind of stuff. And I didn't know when I was talking a lot of these guests want, when they're I was interviewing them that one day I was going to reach out to them about this new software that I'm launching.And I wanted to see if they'd be willing to come on board as one of the launch guests, don't worry. It's totally free. All that kind of stuff. I didn't know. I, that, that was not in my thought process at the time. It was just cultivating a relationship when I reached out to other people and made some connections here and there like that, those weren't because I was thinking, man, one of those.You know, when I launched that software  in a year, you know, it's going to be amazing because I'll be able to have all these people to call back on it. Like you didn't think about it. You just, if you continually add value without trying to expect something in return, then you're building up a bank of relationship capital, just like you're building up a bank of Actual capital. And if you go to, if you have a price problem, if you have an issue, you have an emergency come up and there's no money in your bank account, then you go negative in your bank or you have to put it on a credit card and then you're in debt. You know what I mean? And saying, it's the same thing with relationships.If you don't have enough relationship capital in that bank account, so to speak, then when, by the way, when you have that problem, come up. When you have that emergency where you're like, man, I need, I need some help. I need some support from the people in my life. Your account's overdrawn. Yeah. What do you do now?You know what I mean? That's when you start reaching out to all these people and asking for these favors, when you haven't talked to them in seven years and it's just like, wait, what, Oh, you have a kid now. No way. That's crazy. You know what I mean? You know? So, so you got, yeah, you got to dig your well before. You're thirsty. Cause I mean, that's the only way that it's ever beneficial is if you just keep. Adding value to people's lives without really ever expecting anything and understanding that that's really the only way that it's even going to benefit you anyway. Um, and another good example would be Jordan.I don't know if you know the story, but basically he was with art of charm. The, the show that he had for a decade, really bad business dealings, he exited the partnership. And had to literally like literally they were, they were getting two, 3 million downloads a month, something like  that entire, you know, email, his customer list.All these things that the company kept Jordan had started over from scratch had zero things. The only thing that he had in his corner was his network. Yep. And he started that show at the beginning of 2018. Now in 2020, he has completely eclipsed the heyday of art of charm, our terms down to like to lower downloads as they've ever been before. And Jordan's show is  higher than double than what are charms heyday was just because he did the work for us over a decade of just putting work into relationships, adding value to people, and then the day that he needed some help. The day were like everything that he was working on got totally screwed over and he had to start from scratch.He had people that he could call and say, Hey man. I mean, I need a favor,you know, I, I need something and, and all those people that he had supported throughout all the years were eager, chomping at the bit to help this guy out because he had been so helpful to so many throughout his career. So, it's just such a big lesson.If you go into it, trying to help people expecting that you're going to get something from it. It has the opposite effect on you, you know, instead of just going in and just being how you can help out. And, you know, Zig Ziglar said it best when he said, if you help enough people get what they want, you can have everything that you want. And so if you're not giving the results that you want in life, maybe start thinking about like really do a real analysis, a deep dive on what you're doing, what your daily tasks are. What's your monthlygoals are all those types of things and ask yourself like, how many people am I helping by doing this?And if the answer was me, then you're, that's probably why you're not getting enough results because you're not doing anything that's actually intrinsically helpful to other people. That's how the market. You know, pays you that your paycheck is directly correlated to how many people you're helping and how effectively you're helping them.GEORGE:   It actually says in my Facebook header that accompany success is directly correlated to the amount of value they add on people's lives. Like that's where their financial success comes from. And  I think it was like one of the, a personal development coach I had like 10 years ago.I was in that like my whole life is ending.I just got out of 12 years of combat, like right. And like legitimate feelings. But I always felt frozen and she's like the fastest path just to give away what you want to get. And like, like that thing still carries so much weight for me to this say like when I'm stuck and I don't know what to do, like just go give it away. Like go give away energy, go give away positivity, but it's always about service. And I don't think there's any way to lose that game. And, you know, you said something that I think is really, really, really, really important before we wrap the episode. Andthis was something that it took me a long time to learn, but like, they don't take their well to their thirsty and all of these things like with relationships, right?If you do a relationship bad at burns a bridge that you can't rebuild it. Right. But when you do a relationship, right, or at least neutral, you improve upon the silence. You keep that bridge. Like every time Manhattan builds a new bridge, they don't knock the other ones down. That's why there's 21 of them. And you always want to have those avenues to lean into it doesn't mean you're going to have to drive over it. Like if you're going to Manhattan every day, you can only drive in on one bridge and out on one bridge, but you have those options. And that's how I tend to like, think about relationships and it's so powerful, man.Like, I have so much validation right now. Like in my soul hearing you speak about this stuff, like, it just makes my heart happy. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this is like a fusion of dopamine I needed today. Like it was one of those mornings. And so no, I absolutely love it. So. Quick question. So and just so everybody knows the best place to find track that's cause you can find them anywhere. Just Google his name his podcast. Amazing. But his Instagram is that Travis Chappell? TRAVIS:  Yep. Yep. Yeah. Just first and last name first. GEORGE:  Yeah, I was going to say it's 2:00 PM. I was about to say that. Who else? So it's Travis Chappelle with two  and two L.but you know, for everybody listening, right? Like just to wrap the episode, you know, like if there was a piece of parting advice, something that they could focus on today, something that would help move the needle in their life based on anything, you know, that we talked about, like what would those parting words of wisdom be? Like, if, if it was your last message to my audience, what would it be?TRAVIS:  Yeah, sure, man. I would say one of the principles, overarching principles that's helped me in my life in general, in all things. It's not just my business, not just my network is,  taking radical responsibility.and I think that that's just a big principle in life that we're watching it unfold before us in our, the grand scheme of the politics in our country right now.And I'm not gonna talk about a bunch of politics or anything, but the reason that I bring that up is that it comes from the site. A lot of the issues that we have stems from this idea that other people are responsible for the things that happen in our lives, which is the opposite of the truth. And it's a losing game. If you truly believe that you are not responsible and other people are responsible, then everything's always out of your control. It means you have no ability to change things that are happening in your life and the things that are coming to you , at a later date in your life. And if that's the lot that you've accepted, then there's nowhere to go from here. And you may as well just do nothing and exist forever because like why even try if you can't change any of those things. And so it starts with taking radical responsibility and by the way, responsibility and faults are two different things because some people will be like, Oh, you know, well, what about my dad? You know, he died when, uh, you know, he died when I was 16 from cancer. And it's like, okay, well, that's not your fault. There's a big difference. But it was your responsibility to now deal with the problem and say, Hey, what do I need to do moving forward?Now that has to be come your responsibility and there's a , big difference between those two things. And I'm not trying to be insensitive here, but I am saying that once you start taking responsibility for everything that happens in your lifefor all of us, things that you have control over.Once you start taking responsibility for that, you're gonna start, you're gonna start just noticing that the world unfolds with risk with with opportunity, that opportunity abounds and that there's nothing that's preventing you from taking advantage of those opportunities except for you and your own belief that it's not possible. Take taking radical responsibility, man. And that would be the thing I would like to leave everybody with.GEORGE:  This is the podcast that I needed, but it is now. And that was so true for me. This was the one I wanted and it turned into one that I needed. And man, it's absolutely, it's an honor to have you on the show for everybody listening.Please go check out Travis, a Google on it, check them out on, Google him on Instagram. Check them on his brand. And Travis Chappele and then check out  www.guestio.com Especially if you're in the podcasting space creator space work with influencers are an influencer. Go check that platform out. Cause it's a pass. It's a platform as a service as Travis is going to corn. That one now. So man, thank you for being here and, it's always been a pleasure. So for anybody listening, remember that relationships always beat algorithms and I will see you guys in the next show. 

Are you able to explain your bad career moves and career transitions in a positive way? In Episode 22 I interview Travis Wright. Travis Wright is the Director of Growth at 3GIMBALS, a services firm supporting the intelligence community. His career journey began in aviation as a US Army helicopter pilot and then as a commercial airline pilot before becoming a military staff officer in the White House and eventually a management consultant. So Travis knows a thing or two about career transitions and he embraces his mistakes as learning and development. In fact he has written a book on the subject "Making New Mistakes" is the go-to book for leaders looking for guidance on how to handle these disruptive events.  Travis outlines his career transitions and the lessons he learnt along the way.

My guest this week is Travis Hornsby, the founder of Student Loan Planner, a student loan advisor company. Behind every great man there’s a great woman, they say. In Travis’s case, the great woman is his wife, a physician in Saint Louis. When they first started dating, she had a lot of student debt. So Travis decided to help her out by making a model of how they can pay off her student debt. He used all the knowledge he got from bond trading and modeling complex debt instruments and started researching what are the most advantageous choices you can make while repaying your debt. His then girlfriend, now wife, started spreading the word about what he was doing, so he started helping more and more dentists. He advised about 250 dentists and dental specialists in the past 18 months. Key takeaways: The grim current landscape of student debt Choose your plan according to your goals The current state of student loans is not sustainable, and that might change Links: Student Loan Planner Want to receive our podcast on a weekly basis? Subscribe to our newsletter!

So Travis leaves and Fraser has to run the show, so he brings in Kroeker for his annual appearance. The two Bomber fans have some laughs at the expense of the Roughriders and debate if they would get in a van with Mark Trestman...or Travon Van? Apologies for the quality, Fraser's computer is a flaming bucket of garbage

Travis and Dave were dubbed “The Worst Korn Fans on the Internet” when they reviewed Korn’s new album “The Serenity of Suffering”! So Travis bought [...]

Today I want to talk about trust. Trust is a super broad topic, so the focus for this episode, is about trust in the workplace. And to be even more specific. I want to talk about trust as it pertains to it being a soft-skill you must have and subsequently develop as a designer. This is something you can focus on building anywhere. You can build this skill at an in-house design team, a design agency, or as a freelance designer. I will talk you through how to develop and focus on this soft-skill. The key take-aways that will be synthesised for you will come from my own experiences, Travis’s insights, and some research I have done for you on the glorious internet. So Travis, what does trust look like when it’s done right? What does trust look like when it’s done wrong? What do you do to build trust in the workplace? or better yet, what have you done in the past and what are you actively doing now? The key-word here, is that building trust, is an active experience. Ok, awesome answers. If I can give you only one take-away, it is that I want you all to positively influence trust in your teams. And since I mentioned previously that trust is an active experience, here is how you can actively start a conversation with your team before a project, during a project, or even after a project. Eight things you can do to be a positive influence for trust in your teams. These eight things can all be a conversation starter with your team, however, before you use each one of these topics as a conversation piece with your team, you must first lead by example. So here they are. Clarity - Your goal is to be as transparent and open as possible with your team. You want to avoid uncertainty or vagueness as it pertains to you. Remember, as I have said before, every interaction is a brand-interaction. So what does this look like? In a simple example I have experienced myself, if I am about to miss a deadline, I’ll make sure my team knows that as soon as I know it. I’ll let them know that I need help. I have also had times when a project has been assigned to me and it’s the first time I am doing a task, this for example can be, managing an outside agency to help design something. I’ll let the team know that I haven’t done this before and I’m excited to learn and that I will lean on those that know what they are doing if I run into any problems. Connection - It is natural for people to follow others and build relationships. What can you do to connect and engage with your team? What can you do to improve relationships and reduce conflicts? For example, you can set up a team outing and get to know the people you are working with outside work, or set up a time to play a board game, or set up what I have taken for myself, a “cuddle session” where you meet for 30 minutes and talk about each others weekends. Compassion - We need to care about each other. How are you showing concern for your team? What are you doing to be compassionate and empathetic to your team? For example, when you can tell someone is frustrated with something, don’t wait for them to ask for help. Walk over, look over their shoulder and see if you can help. Even if you can’t the mere fact of you walking over will give them some encouragement and solidarity in the problem or frustration they are experienceing. Value - People love to support and be around people that have the same values. What are you doing to help each other align on values. These values don’t need to be moral values, they can be workplace values, or project specific values. So before you start a project, you can create Rules of Engagement. A list of values you all create together. For example, one can be this, if you need help, ask for it! Competency - We have confidence in those who stay fresh, innovative and competent. What are you doing to grow your competency? In a previous episode, I spoke about building self-confidence and how it’s a by product of two other skills. The first is, understanding where your strengths and weaknesses are and compare that to what your peers think. The second is focusing, on narrowing the delta between the two. Have you spent time being introspective? Integrity - We trust those who demonstrate a commitment to action. How can you take responsibility and fulfil it? When you raise your hand to get something done, are you committed to see it through? Contribution - We are all motivated and engaged when we deliver results. People trust results. Are you consistently getting things done? Consistency - We love consistency. We are creatures of habit. Are you consistently delivering on what you set out to do? Is your teams trust and confidence rising or falling in your ability to consistently get things done? What else is important to you? Now after you have gone through all of these you will have an accurate picture of where you stand in providing and increasing trust within your team. Once you have an accurate picture you can switch these questions towards your team. For example, you would set up a meeting for an hour with your team before a project or during a project and let everyone know that you are going to run a

Travis Sigley is the founder of Cuddle Therapy. If you are in need of some cuddling and willing to pay a fee, this is the service for you. The idea for a professional cuddling service came to Travis when he was a stripper in the City. He noticed that most people were not in the club for sexual reasons, but because they were seeking intimacy, touch, and someone to chat with. So Travis started Cuddle Therapy to offer his clients physical touch in a safe, loving, and trusting environment. If Travis could cuddle with anyone in San Francisco, who would it be? He tells me on the show. Travis had plenty of other interesting stories up his sleeve. About two weeks ago, he started wearing shirts for the first time in 8 years and had a topless tea party to celebrate the occasion. The shirtless era led to plenty of awkward moments. Travis tells me about spending a winter in Paris and trying to get through airport security without a shirt. We recorded our conversation at the Tea Oasis, which is a tea house in the Lower Haight that Travis just opened up. Travis also lives in the Lower Haight. He shares his favorite spots in the neighborhood and throughout San Francisco.

This week we couldn't get together but the redshirts were able to attend a USPSA match. So Travis and Steve give us their report.