William & Mary Law Podcast

On February 28, 2025, Professor Barak D. Richman returned to William & May Law School to present a lecture as a guest of William & Mary Law School's Center for the Study of Law and Markets titled "Market Failures in US Health Care Markets: The Curious Case of Private Equity." Professor Richman is the Alexander Hamilton Professor of Business Law at the George Washington University Law School.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023, The Center for the Study of Law and Markets, The Federalist Society, and The Business Law Society co-sponsored a lecture by Professor Julia D. Mahoney, "ESG Disclosure and Securities Regulation." Professor Mahoney is the John S. Battle Professor of Law and the Joseph C. Carter, Jr., Research Professor of Law at the University of Virginia School of Law.

In this episode, William & Mary Law School Professor of the Practice of Law and CLCT Deputy Director, Dr. Iria Giuffrida, hosts William & Mary School of Education Class of 1963 Associate Professor of Higher Education, Dr. Stephanie Blackmon, to discuss the importance of experiential learning in cybersecurity education, and the significance of interdisciplinary collaboration. Dr. Blackmon is Program Facilitator for CyberExL, a program of the Coastal Node of the Commonwealth Cyber Initiative (COVA CCI), and she illustrates the value experiential learning can have for growing professionals, including gaining vital experience and mentorship in various areas of cybersecurity by working with companies, faculty, researchers, and university administrators. For additional information about COVA CCI CyberExL Program discussed in this episode, click here for a PDF. https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/exhibit-ai---exhibit-15---additional-resources.pdf?q=academics+intellectuallife+researchcenters+clct+exhibit-ai+additional-resources+exhibit-ai---exhibit-15---additional-resources.pdf The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

On Monday, February 4, 2019, Professor Gary Brown sat down with CLCT to discuss artificial intelligence (AI) and the law of war. Joined by William & Mary Law Professors Fred Lederer (CLCT Director) and Iria Giuffrida (CLCT Associate Director for Research), this 45-minute interview surveys key legal issues involving AI, Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems, cyber warfare, and international law. Guest Speaker Bio: Gary Brown currently serves as Professor of Practice at the College of Information and Cyberspace, at National Defense University. Professor Brown served for 25 years as a Judge Advocate with the United States Air Force, culminating in his role as first senior legal counsel for the U.S. Cyber Command. From there, he served as Head of Communications and Congressional Affairs for the Washington Delegation of the International Committee of the Red Cross, and then he became a Professor of Cyber Security at Marine Corps University in Quantico, Virginia. He also worked as a Cyber Policy and Strategy Analysis for the U.S. Department of Justice. Professor Brown is active in education, consulting, and advocacy regarding cyber law and policy, and regularly speaks on cyber operations law and policy. The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of the U.S. Department of Defense, The National Defense University, William & Mary Law School, or any other affiliated institutions.

Blockchain seems to be everywhere: from cryptocurrency to smart contract and more. Increasingly, many industries are asking whether blockchain is a solution for their business objectives and concerns. With the increased use of this often misunderstood technology, legal issues are bound to arise. To brace for change, CLCT is asking the questions lawyers will want to know — starting with “what is blockchain anyway?” In this episode, Exhibit AI explores this question, and the inevitable ramifications for blockchain in litigation. Host Taylor Treece (CLCT Buswell Post-Graduate Fellow) discusses major issues for blockchain and evidence with CLCT's Graduate Research Fellows Alex Ashrafi and Scott Meyer. Together, they cover the basics of blockchain, popular blockchain use cases for lawyers to look out for, the application of Federal Rules of Evidence to blockchain, recent blockchain specific state evidentiary rules, the results of a “blockchain mock trial,” and the potential for blockchain to be used as an evidence record keeping system. The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

Once hailed as the cars of the future, self-driving or autonomous vehicles (AV) are quickly becoming a contemporary reality — but one with significant legal and policy implications. Regulators have been eager to pass legislation and issue orders governing this new technology, leading to a patchwork of state laws. Federal regulators have also had their eyes on AVs, but comprehensive federal legislation has not yet come to fruition. The question becomes — should we look to federal law for AV technology? In this episode, Taylor Treece, David Lim, and Daniel Shin. Together, they work through major legal hurdles AV regulation should address, consider international approaches to AVs, and weigh the pros and cons of state versus federal regulation. The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

Over the past decade, virtual reality has gone from an experimental pipedream to a multi-billion dollar market reality. While much has been made of the entertainment and educational possibilities of the technology, VR also has use cases in the legal system. In this episode, Brennan McGovern, Ott Lindstrom, and Alex Ashrafi work through the practical and evidentiary considerations that may arise if VR is implemented in the courtroom. The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

In this episode, Evan Strasnick, a Stanford Ph.D. candidate researching Human-Computer Interactions, joins host Nicholas Sas and CLCT's Deputy Director Iria Giuffrida for a discussion on how to define AI, how to interpret AI-driven results, the importance of data, and the ethical implications of using such technology. The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School, Stanford University or any other affiliated institutions.

This episode kicks off a new podcast series looking at the developing legal landscape surrounding smart city technology. Innovations such as smart homes, smart transportation, autonomous vehicles, and the like have the capacity to take city planning by storm, and upend the way citizens and businesses interact with the communities within which they live and work. This innovation comes with great promises, but also its share of problems. The most often discussed issues are concerns surrounding data and personal privacy, cybersecurity, and liability. Recognizing that there are likely other legal challenges associated with this technology, our research teams plan to introduce discussion that goes beyond these immediate legal questions. In this episode, Buswell Post-Grad Fellow Lindsey Whitlow hosts the Smart Cities Research Team—CLCT Research Fellows Alex Pratt, Ott Lindstrom, and Katherine Sorrell—in giving a broad overview of what smart cities are and how they implicate the law. For resources and additional information found in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/exhibit-ai---exhibit-6---additional-resources.pdf The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

In this first in-depth discussion of the interaction between the law and smart cities, we examine how the First Amendment may be implicated. Of the enumerated rights granted under the U.S. Constitution, those of the First Amendment are often hailed the most important and fundamental rights afforded to U.S. citizens. The big question, then, is whether smart cities will “chill” the ability for citizens to take advantage of these rights. CLCT Research Fellows Taylor Lain (host) and Alex Pratt explore the implications of public-private partnerships in smart cities on the freedom of speech, freedom to petition, and freedom of assembly. For resources and additional information found in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/exhibit-ai---exhibit-7---additional-resources.pdf Special thanks go to Professor Timothy Zick, John Marshall Professor of Government and Citizenship and Cabell Research Professor, for his assistance with First Amendment doctrine. The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

In this second substantive episode in our Smart Cities series, host Taylor Lain leads the continued discussion of the interaction between the technology powering smart cities and constitutional law. Joined by Research Fellows Ott Lindstrom and Reed McLeod, this episode zooms in on the Fourth Amendment—exploring the concepts of the “reasonable expectation of privacy,” and the third-party doctrine in the context of the ubiquitous use of Internet of Things (IoT) devices. They will also explore Section One of the Fourteenth Amendment, examining how a party may have recourse, if any, when injured by unequal representation under the Equal Protection Clause. For resources and additional information found in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/exhibit-ai---exhibit-8---additional-resources.pdf Special thanks go to Professor Jeffrey Bellin, University Professor for Teaching Excellence and Robert and Elizabeth Scott Research Professor of Law, for his assistance with Fourth Amendment doctrine. The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of

In this episode, CLCT Research Fellows Taylor Lain (host), Katherine Sorrell, and Alex Pratt explore the implications of smart city technology for members of the intellectual and developmentally disabled (“I/DD”) community. As the world's largest minority group, the I/DD community has the unique characteristic of being intersectional—many members of the community are also members of other minority groups. Tracing the history of legal protection for this community, real visibility in the law is only as recent as 30 years ago, with the passing of the Americans with Disabilities Act (1990). Our Fellows note that smart city technologists and engineers have the opportunity to account for the difficulties faced by this group before and during the design process, rather than as an afterthought. For resources and additional information found in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/exhibit-ai---exhibit-9---additional-resources.pdf The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

Continuing our discussion of smart city technology and civil rights, CLCT Research Fellows Taylor Lain (host), Katherine Sorrell, and Alex Pratt explore the implications of specific smart city technology, such as facial recognition, predictive policing, and risk-assessment tools, and how these tools may affect minority or disadvantaged populations. While it is clear that there are major benefits in law enforcement using this technology, the team also discusses common concerns about the use and misuse of data gathered for such purposes. They then examine how one group in particular, immigrant communities, may be impacted by facial recognition technology. For resources and additional information on topics covered in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/smart-cities---exhibit-10-additional-resources.pdf The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

In this episode, 2019-2020 postgraduate Buswell Research Fellow Lindsey Whitlow hosts recent William & Mary Law School graduates Alex Pratt and Andrew Parslow. The discussion begins with a brief history of the discipline of urban planning before diving into just some of the complexities of the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Our researchers explore how smart city plans may come into conflict with the Takings Clause, and how some technologies that may benefit the smart city could also run into problems with existing laws and regulations. For resources and additional information found in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/exhibit-ai---exhibit-11---additional-resources.pdf The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

In this episode, 2019-2020 postgraduate Buswell Research Fellow Lindsey Whitlow hosts her final episode before the conclusion of her fellowship. She is joined by CLCT Research Fellows Katherine Sorrell, Mechelle King, and Sam Habein to discuss the global implications of smart city technology. Our researchers explore how smart city plans may come into conflict with International Human Rights Law, and discuss governance of multinational corporations as a part of the ongoing conversation on public-private partnerships in this space. After taking a brief look at International Human Rights Law and several important U.N. Declarations, each of our Fellows takes in turn a case study based on a self-proclaimed smart city to provide tangible examples of how this technology can affect human rights. For resources and additional information found in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/smart-cities---exhibit-12-additional-resources.pdf The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions

CLCT's AI Senior Research Fellow, April Sawhill, debuts with her first episode of Exhibit AI. She is joined by CLCT Research Fellows Brennan McGovern and CLCT Cybersecurity Researcher Daniel Shin to discuss the rise of misinformation and disinformation. Our researchers explore how automation within information systems can facilitate disorder in our society. As Brennan lays the landscape of misinformation and disinformation within social media networks, Daniel discusses the dangers of deep fakes and potential strategies to combat disinformation. For resources and additional information found in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/smart-cities---exhibit-13-additional-resources.pdf The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

In this episode, Senior AI Research Fellow April Sawhill hosts Cisco Principal Engineer, Chris Shenefiel, and CLCT Cybersecurity Researcher, Daniel Shin, to discuss recent supply chain ransomware attacks in the United States. Examining the cyberattacks on SolarWinds and Kaseya VSA, our guests explain how threat actors infiltrated these systems to push out malicious code to service provider customers. Critical information about incident response plans and mitigation tactics is provided, as well as considerations on ransom payments. For resources and additional information found in this episode, click here for a PDF: https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenters/clct/exhibit-ai/additional-resources/exhibit-ai---exhibit-14-additional-resources.pdf The views and opinions expressed in this interview are the personal views of the speakers, and do not represent the official position of William & Mary Law School or any other affiliated institutions.

On February 10, 2021, William & Mary Law School’s Center for the Study of Law and Markets hosted Professor Bruce Caldwell, who presented a lecture entitled "The Life and Contributions of F.A. Hayek." Prof. Caldwell is Research Professor of Economics and Director of the Center for the History of Political Economy at Duke University.

On November 17, 2020, William & Mary Law School’s Center for the Study of Law and Markets hosted Professor Jamel K. Donnor, who presented a lecture entitled "Racial Capitalism and College Sports." Prof. Donnor is Associate Professor of Education at William & Mary and Affiliated Faculty, American Studies, and Affiliated Faculty, Africana Studies.

On November 8, 2019, The Center for the Study of Law and Markets hosted a public lecture by Professor Merritt B. Fox, "The New Stock Market: Law, Economics, and Policy," based on his latest book. Professor Fox is Michael E. Patterson Professor of Law at Columbia Law School. He is Co-Director of the Center for Law and Economic Studies and co-director of the Program in the Law and Economics of Capital Markets.

William & Mary Law School is back in session and that means Office Hours is back on the airwaves! This week Davis sits down with Kelsie Sicinski, Chair of the Law School’s Honor Council, and Rebecca Jaegar, President of the Student Bar Association. Tune in to hear the ins-and-outs of these two organizations and whether Jed Wyatt from The Bachelorette would have violated William & Mary’s Honor Code.

On February 21, 2019, The Center for the Study of Law and Markets hosted a lecture by Professor Molly Brady, "Markets and the Evolution of Property Law." Professor Brady joined the faculty of the University of Virginia School of Law as an associate professor of law in 2016.

We're back on the airwaves this week with Tolu Olaniyan and Ndome Essoka, the new President and Vice President (respectively) of the Black Law Students Association (BLSA) at William & Mary. Tolu and Ndome painted a great picture of BLSA as an organization—both here and nationally—and provided scores of invaluable advice for current and prospective law students. We had a great time chatting with them, and we're sure you'll enjoy listening to the conversation!

This week, Professor David Boelzner and AmeriCorps Legal Fellow (though soon-to-be Professor!) Caleb Stone joined Scott and Davis to talk about their work at the law school's Lewis P. Fuller Veterans Benefits Clinic. They discussed the clinic's vital role in helping disabled service veterans obtain compensation through the often-arduous VA claims process, outlined the opportunities for students to work with the clinic both during the semester and for summer employment, and offered their own structural reform ideas that could make the disability benefits system work better for the men and women who have nobly served in America's armed forces. The clinic is an integral component of William & Mary Law School, both for the important representation it offers deserving veterans and the hands-on learning experience it offers law students—tune in to hear the real experts explain in greater detail!

This week, Scott and Davis sit down with Professors Alan Meese and Nate Oman, who serve as the co-directors of the Center for the Study of Law and Markets at William & Mary Law School. Professors Meese and Oman recount the formation of the Center, outline its mission and objectives, discuss courses and fellowships available to students, and detail some of the programs they host throughout the year. Tune in for an insightful conversation and preview!

We're pleased to welcome a new student co-host, 1L Davis McKinney, to Office Hours! Tune in for a brief introduction of Davis and his background, as well as a preview of next week's episode.

This week, Scott welcomes 3L and Law Review Editor-in-Chief Noah Chauvin to discuss his role as the head of a law journal as well as to gather his impressions from his broader experience at William & Mary. Noah has some terrific advice for budding students about how to maximize their time in law school—-as well as general wisdom for audiences of all ages! Additionally, we're pleased to announce that 1L Davis McKinney will be joining the podcast as a co-host next week, so stay tuned for his debut....

It's 2019 and Office Hours is back on the airwaves! New student host Scott McMurtry sat down with Alyssa Kaiser and Hannah Littlefield, the outgoing Student Bar Association President and Vice President, respectively, to talk about their time in student government at the law school. Alyssa and Hannah are about to wrap up their terms and hand off the reins to new student leaders, so it was a good opportunity to dive into their various experiences over the past three years. SBA plays a vital role in the law school community, and it was great to get Alyssa and Hannah's accounts and reflections on what they've been able to accomplish as student representatives. Enjoy the conversation, and stay tuned for new episodes in the coming weeks!

Welcome to Office Hours for September 11, 2018. In our fall return episode (welcome back to us!), Michaela and Professor Bellin sit down with Vice Dean and Director of Clinical Programs, Patty Roberts, and Associate Dean for Research and Faculty Development, Adam Gershowitz, for a wide-ranging chat about all (or at least many) things law school. Deans Roberts and Gershowitz give us their "origin stories," outline their respective roles at William & Mary Law School, and offer up some advice to new and returning students. And, as always, there's a game to top it off!

Welcome to Office Hours for April 17, 2018. In our Season Finale, Dean Davison Douglas shares some formative experiences from his childhood, discusses the challenges facing legal education, and talks about what it’s like to be the Dean of the country’s oldest law school. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors.

Welcome to Office Hours for April 10, 2018. This week’s episode features three guests from William & Mary’s Center for Legal & Court Technology (CLTC). Professors Fred Lederer, Iria Giuffrida and Nicolas Vermeys talk about CLTC’s efforts to prepare students and courts for rapidly evolving technologies. They also provide tips for how best to navigate the coming robot apocalypse – spoiler alert: we are all doomed. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors.

Welcome to Office Hours for April 3, 2018. On this week’s episode, Professor Tara Grove breaks down the pending emoluments clause litigation against President Trump, and cautions against an increasing reliance on courts to address political problems. She also gives thanks to a now-famous mentor who helped mold her distinctive teaching style, and tests her knowledge of Disney characters. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors.

Welcome to Office Hours for March 27, 2018. Today’s guest is William & Mary Law School professor Allison Orr Larsen. Professor Larsen talks about her research into the use of “alternative facts” in Supreme Court opinions (and beyond), the constitutional obstacles to investigating a sitting President, and her surprising career path. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors.

Welcome to Office Hours for March 20, 2018. Today’s guest is William & Mary Law School’s election law expert, Professor Rebecca Green. Professor Green discusses current election law controversies, including how legislators draw and redraw voter districts to ensure re-election – and what to expect in two pending Supreme Court cases challenging the practice. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors.

​​Welcome to Office Hours for March 13, 2018. Today’s guest is William & Mary President Taylor Reveley. Finishing out the last year of his ten-year term, President Reveley looks back over his career, discusses the state of higher education and William & Mary, and reveals his plans for the future. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors.

Welcome to Office Hours for February 27, 2018. Today’s guest is former Major League Baseball pitcher, and current William & Mary 3L, Bill Bray. Bill discusses how six years pitching for the Cincinnati Reds and Washington Nationals prepares you for law school. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors. Office Hours is co-hosted by a William & Mary Law School student, Michaela Lieberman, and Professor Jeffrey Bellin. It presents a topical conversation with a different expert each week. Each episode includes an introductory segment with Michaela and Jeff, an interview with the episode’s guest, and a short summary segment (plus weird music).

Welcome to Office Hours for February 20, 2018. Today’s guest is the President of the ACLU, Susan Herman, who talks about her path to becoming the nation’s leading civil libertarian, the status of free speech on campus, and the role of the non-partisan ACLU in an increasingly partisan landscape. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors. Office Hours is co-hosted by a William & Mary Law School student, Michaela Lieberman, and Professor Jeffrey Bellin. It presents a topical conversation with a different expert each week. Each episode includes an introductory segment with Michaela and Jeff, an interview with the episode’s guest, and a short summary segment (plus weird music).

Welcome to Office Hours for February 13, 2018. Today’s guest is William & Mary Law School Professor Stacy Kern-Scheerer who talks about her experience drafting legislation like the Affordable Care Act, and the status of Obamacare after the repeal of the individual mandate. We also discuss pressing topics like how many legs does a stool need to remain standing. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors. Office Hours is co-hosted by a William & Mary Law School student, Michaela Lieberman, and Professor Jeffrey Bellin. It presents a topical conversation with a different expert each week. Each episode includes an introductory segment with Michaela and Jeff, an interview with the episode’s guest, and a short summary segment (plus weird music).

Welcome to Office Hours for February 6, 2018. Today’s guest is William & Mary Law School Professor Eric Chason who discusses the legal implications of Bitcoin, while also telling us about his childhood, musical talents, and more. "Office Hours" is the official podcast of William & Mary Law School featuring light but substantive conversations with prominent experts from the faculty as well as other notable contributors. Office Hours is co-hosted by a William & Mary Law School student, Michaela Lieberman, and Professor Jeffrey Bellin. It presents a topical conversation with a different expert each week. Each episode includes an introductory segment with Michaela and Jeff, an interview with the episode’s guest, and a short summary segment (plus weird music).

In an interview with Professor Adam Gershowitz, William & Mary Law Professor Allison Orr Larsen talks about DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals), which you may know as the law governing DREAMers: what it is, why it is controversial from a legal perspective, recent changes imposed by the Trump administration, challenges to the law, and what may come next. Professor Larsen is the Robert E. and Elizabeth S. Scott Research Professor of Law.