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Come along for the ride as Brian and Jeff take journey through the entire Dischord records cannon, one record at a time. There'll be lots of discussion, some debate and plenty of entertaining stories and conversations. Where possible, we interview key players in the making of these releases as well. Brian grew up in the midst of the DC punk scene in the 80's. Asurefire roadmap for disaster, enlightenment or something in between!

Brian and Jeff


    • May 20, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • infrequent NEW EPISODES
    • 2h 58m AVG DURATION
    • 140 EPISODES

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    The End on End Podcast is a true gem for music lovers, particularly those with an affinity for Dischord Records. As someone who owes them a few CDs, I understand the excitement that comes with discovering a podcast solely dedicated to this influential record label. With deep dives into every Dischord release, insightful thoughts and opinions, and a wide range of interviews with band members, fans, producers, and artists, this podcast has satisfied all of my nerdy Dischord needs. It brings bands like Minor Threat, Embrace, Rites of Spring, Soulside, and Fugazi back to life in a way that allows me to absorb their music once again.

    One of the best aspects of The End on End Podcast is the chemistry between the hosts, Brian and Jeff. Their back-and-forth chit-chat before every episode adds a unique and natural touch to the show. It feels like hanging out with friends who are passionate about music and excitedly sharing their recent discoveries. Unlike many other podcasts that try too hard to be entertaining or professional, The End on End Podcast captures an authentic and enjoyable dynamic between the hosts that keeps listeners engaged.

    On the downside, some early episodes featured a different co-host who didn't contribute as much as desired. While their relationship was explained in a later episode and their friendship became more apparent, it took away from the overall enjoyment of those initial episodes. However, I'm grateful that Brian eventually joined as the co-host because his knowledge about the records truly enhances the listening experience.

    In conclusion, The End on End Podcast is an exceptional production that takes listeners on a journey through Dischord Records' iconic catalog. The dedication put into each episode is evident through thoughtful insights, in-depth interviews, and well-researched content. While there may be room for improvement in terms of pacing and host dynamics in certain episodes, overall it's an invaluable resource for fans who want to explore the history and impact of Dischord Records. Whether you're jogging, walking, or simply looking for a new podcast to dive into, The End on End Podcast is worth your time.



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    HOOVER "Lurid Traversal of Route 7" LP

    Play Episode Listen Later May 20, 2025 194:17


    I sure hope this one doesn't ruffle too many feathers. It's an honest and mostly appreciative, thoughtful appraisal of a highly regarded album that has aged remarkably well. Ken Smallwood is in the co-pilot seat this time and really brings his "A" game to the endeavor. Listen in as two very old friends talk well into the night about this recording. 

    IGNITION "Complete Services" CD

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2025 140:40


    It was a blast to get one more chance to explore the dark, yet hopeful world of Ignition. My cohost this episode is return master of the mic, Scott Sheridan. Listen in as we go under the hood of this machine.

    KINGFACE Discography / Mark Sullivan

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 4, 2025 230:04


    Anddddddddddddd, we're back! Sorry for the unplanned "hiatus", but now the show is back with a vengeance. This is the second Patron-chosen topic episode. The indomitable story of DC legends Kingface. In the copilot chair this one was my old friend Ken Smallwood. It was a great pleasure getting to hear stories of old Dischord house days, the Slinkees, Sevens and of course the origin story of Kingface, from Mark Sullivan. Please do yourselves a favor and revisit this essential band! Apparently they're even gigging again.

    RAIN LIKE THE SOUND OF TRAINS "Bad man's grave" / Bobby Sullivan, Pete Chramiec, and Dug E Bird

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2024 155:21


    It's always a pleasure to have the opportunity to talk about and to a band that deserved so much more acclaim than they received in their time active. Rain Like The Sound Of Trains is the perfect case in point. They were such a powerful and heartfelt group of individuals playing revolutionary music together, while also living together and attempting to live out their beliefs. This episode Scott Sheridan and I sketch out what this band meant to us and why they were so important. Later in the show I talk with singer Bobby Sullivan, guitarist/vocalist Pete Chramiec and bass slayer Dug Bird. It's a true honor to share this episode with you.

    FAITH/VOID/FAITH With Ivor Hanson

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2024 276:31


    Yes, we've already spoke about all these tracks in a couple of the earliest episodes, but this carries a differnt release number, so we get to do it all over again. Thank God it's some of the most inspiring and trail-blazing music the label has out out then! This time Ken Smallwood is my copilot and late in the show Ivor Hanson (drummer in the Faith) fills in lots of details about the Faith and those early Dischord years. Needless to say, I'm extremely proud of this episode.

    HOOVER "Private" / Joe McRedmond

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2024 146:27


    This episode Jeff and I  discuss the second (most elusive) release from Hoover. Later, singer/guitarist Joe McRedmond joins the conversation. I hope this one inspires some of you to search for this one out in the wilds.

    HOLY ROLLERS "S/T" / Marc Lambiotte, Chris Bopst and Ed Trask

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 28, 2024 222:40


    It was a pleasure to talk about and to the Holy Rollers, regarding their third and final album. In the cohost chair this episode was the indefatigable Ken Smallwood. Enjoy!

    RAIN LIKE THE SOUND OF TRAINS "S/T" / Full Band Interview

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 14, 2024 214:22


    This first Rain Like The Sound Of Trains 7" really made an impact when it first came out. It was a supergroup of sorts and caused some unlikely controversy in the punk scene. The message and sound of this group has aged incredibly well. Jeff Kaplan is bank in the copilot chair to discuss the record and the band's legacy. Then we're joined by Pete Chramiec, Joshua Larue and Dug Birdzell for a conversation about the origins of the band, recording this 7" and much more. 

    SLANT 6 "What Kind Of Monster" EP

    Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2024 88:04


    Yet another unslanted opinion on yet another new band for Dischord this episode. Slant 6's introductory release, What Kind Of Monster. Greg Polard (Where It Went, Somthin' To Du) joins me for a look under the hood of this machine. Combustion ensues. 

    HOLY ROLLERS "Watching The Grass Grow" / Marc Lambiotte and Chris Bopst

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2024 141:52


    This show we drop the needle on Holy Rollers mach two, specifically  the "Watching The Grass Grow/ Toy" 7". In the copilot seat today is the prolific and illustrious Greg Polard (Where It Went and Somethin' To Du podcasts). Later in the episode we are joined by guitarist/singer Marc Lambiotte and bassist Chris Bopst! Come and knock on our door...

    SCREAM "No More Censorship" / Franz Stahl

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2024 217:38


    To conclude our Scream streak, longtime cohost Jeff Kaplan returns for a chat about their first non-Dischord album, No More Censorship. This episode is the first Patron-selected episode. Every five shows, we will do a special Patron's Choice episode (and no, it doesn't need to be a Dischord or DC band). It was pure kismet that one of the very first suggestions was actually this record! And I'm pretty proud of the conversation I had with the band's secret weapon on guitar (and one of the nicest guys you're likely to come across), Franz Stahl. Hit me!

    SCREAM "Fumble"

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 11, 2024 105:51


    As we near the end of our run of Scream releases, Scott Sheridan and I talk about the stand-alone Fumble album. Was it ahead omits time? Dated? Another classic or a misstep? Listen and find out.

    SCREAM "Banging The Drum/Fumble"

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 23, 2024 133:11


    Continuing our Scream month with the CD compilation of Banging The Drum and Fumble. This episode I'm joined by the illustrious Ben Merlis and growling Greg Polard to geek out on the Scream team and also discuss the debatable merits of their last album before 2023. 

    SCREAM Still Screaming/This Side Up CD

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 6, 2024 114:30


    Greg Polard joins me this episode to discuss the first Scream CD, chock full of over 30 tracks! The conversation was infinitely fun and insightful. Listen in as we talk about why this is an all time classic and why it's important that Scream are Still Screaming to this day.

    FUGAZI "Instrument"

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 22, 2024 177:08


    Well, as a wise man once said, another one bites the dust...This was a unique addition to the catalog, in that it's probably the first and last documentary film on Dischord. Ben Merlis took the copilot chair for this wild ride. We laughed, we cried, we scratched our heads in confusion (and much more)! Enjoy

    HOOVER "Sidecar Freddie - Cable" / Joe McRedmond

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 22, 2023 211:19


    This episode is about the Dischord half-release that brings a new band into the fold, Hoover. They were innovators and harbingers of much to come for the sonics of the 90s punk scene. Does this episode or my conversation with guitarist/vocalist, Joe McRedmond (absolutely the nicest guy I've interviewed this year), change my old bias against the band? Listen and find out. I even had to call in a favor to get old cohost, Jeff Kaplan, to take the sidecar on the episode. Check it! 

    CIRCUS LUPUS "Solid Brass" / Full Band Interview

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 5, 2023 181:59


    This episode Scott Sheridan and I are joined by Sonny Kay (Angel Hair/VSS) to discuss the gnarled beauty of Solid Brass, one of the albums most deserving of being reissued. Later in the show I gather all the members together to attempt a serious discussion ( I was almost successful). 

    LUNGFISH "Rainbows From Atoms"

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2023 132:15


    As you'll most likely hear, it can be hard to find words to express all the nuance and depth of meaning a favorite piece of art elicits in you. This is a perfect case in point. This album has soundtracked many years of my life, and continues to do so. With that caveat, I hope you enjoy this conversation. I always know it'll be a good episode when Scott Sheridan is in the copilot chair, but this episode we get Scott squared. Not only Sheridan, but Hicks (who folks might know from his bands Totally Slow and Rights Reserved). Scott Hicks is a friend who can always crack me up and then turn around and touch me with a well placed insight. This was a fun one. Enjoy!

    JAWBOX / TAR "Static" / J Robbins / John Mohr / Mike Gitter

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2023 203:43


    This episode was a lot of fun. Two bands, two songs called Static and three interviews! Ben Merlis makes a triumphant return to the cohost hotseat and we chop it up about so many things on the way to the matter at hand. J Robbins (Jawbox) returns once again, John Mohr (Tar) goes deep on the history and Mike Gitter (xXx Fanzine) takes us home with talk of his signing Jawbox to a major label, and basically what happened right after this 7", along with his abiding love for the band. 

    JAWBOX "Motorist/Jackpot Plus" / J Robbins

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 29, 2023 219:25


    On this episode my old cohost, Jeff Kaplan, dusts off his microphone and we sink our teeth into the masterful last original material Jawbox would release on Dischord. Later in the show J Robbins drops by the EOE studio to talk about the tracks and J (G) Ballard.

    SUTURE! "S/T"

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 31, 2023 137:38


    It was a real pleasure to have one of my oldest friends, Ken Smallwood, on as copilot for the episode. There is definitely a little good cop/bad cop energy going on with us around this release. Guess who is who! Not many folks are aware of this band, so it was a fascinating one to cover. Kathleen Hanna, Sharon Cheslow and Dug E Bird!

    SHUDDER TO THINK "Hit Liquor" / Full Band Interview

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 12, 2023 219:06


    This episode marks the last Shudder To Think release on Dischord, and to mark the occasion, we've got the entire band (mach two) on the show talking about this 7' and their move from Dischord to a major label (Epic). Joining me for the record talk this week is Scott Sheridan and Ben Merlis. 

    CIRCUS LUPUS / TRENCHMOUTH "Split"

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 20, 2023 101:06


    Wow, the first Dischord-approved picture disc. Adventurous? Disastrous? No big deal? Regardless, both Circus Lupus and Trenchmouth bring strong material to the project. Hear Scott and I unwrap this sonic candy (and try to stop staring at the magazine poster-style shot of CL). Towards the end of the show, Chris Thomson and Seth Lorinczi drop by to recall why they chose the cover song for the release and their memories of the project. Enjoy!

    HIGH BACK CHAIRS "Curiosity and Relief" / Full Band Interview

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 10, 2023 313:25


    HIGH BACK CHAIRS "Share/OneSmall Step"

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 21, 2023 106:52


    For Charles Steck!

    CIRCUS LUPUS "Pop Man" / Chris Thomson and Seth Lorinczi

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 3, 2023 181:27


    Joan Jett plus Circus Lupus equals magic! Who knew? Join Brian and Scott as they rhapsodize about the greatness of this strange 7'. Later in then show singer Chris Thomson and bassist Seth Lorinczi join us for a wild ride of a conversation about meeting Joan, playing crazy shows and the recording and reception of the Pop Man record. What else are you gonna do with the next three hours of your life?

    SEVERIN "Smash Hits"

    Play Episode Listen Later May 12, 2023 117:35


    Surprise, surprise, two in a row for these guys! Severin follow up their album debut with this quiet classic. Join Drew, Scott and me for a discussion of such important questions as "what exactly IS a speaking oyster?" and "what's the perfect Gray Matter to Severin ratio?". Its all here.

    SEVERIN "Acid To Ashes, Rust To Dust" / Full Band Interview

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 22, 2023 181:53


    This episode Drew and I dust off the ashes of obscurity, and talk about this mostly unheard deep cut in the Dischord catalog. Later the boys in the band join to discuss being a DC band in the early 90s. Stay tuned!

    NATION OF ULYSSES "Plays Pretty For Baby"

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 8, 2023 134:05


    Coconspirator Scott joins us once again, to discuss the Nation Of Ulysses swan song LP. We couldn't interrogate any band members this episode, so the three of us do our best to contextualize and deconstruct this perpetual motion machine of a document. 

    FUGAZI "In On The Killtaker" Part Two / Guy Picciotto

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2023 173:04


    OK folks, here's part two of our very special episode celebrating one of the best records in the entire Dischord catalog. Not only does the show feature Drew and I pontificating our asses off, as usual, but most importantly we talk to the mighty Guy Picciotto! If you are the least bit into Fugazi, this is one not to be missed.

    FUGAZI "In On The Killtaker" Part One / Ted Niceley

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 17, 2023 208:28


    In part one of our mammoth IOTK journey, Drew and I dive deep as usual, with many side-roads long the way (as usual), then we talk with one of the all time best producers of the 80s and 90s, Ted Niceley. He shares his memories of and opinions about producing this stone classic record. And stay tuned for part two coming soon, which will feature an interview with another person involved with making this lp.

    JAWBOX "Novelty" / J Robbins

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 24, 2023 226:56


    Wow, we are really deep in middle of a  streak of classic Dischord releases. This episode we go under the hood of Jawbox's first full length with Bill Barbot on second guitar and vocals. This is a portrait of a band firing on all cylinders. Join Drew and I in this conversational vortex. Later in the episode, guitarist and main songwriter J Robbins stops by the EOE studios to discuss this record, the times and wax philosophic on the meaning of music. 

    GRAY MATTER/SEVERIN SPLIT 7'

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 5, 2023 118:41


    Well, this is a different release for Dischord, albeit a split release (of a split record). This may just be the first 7" of all previously released material. At least it's of two great bands. This episode, friend of the pod, Scott Sheridan joins us for a chat about the two bands and the songs they chose to represent their new material. We also include an unaired clip from the Mark and Dante interview, chatting about this record. 

    GRAY MATTER "Thog" / Mark Haggerty and Dante Ferrando

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2023 206:14


    This episode we are sadly coming to the end of yet another long-running early Dischord band, the incredible Gray Matter. At least they went out with a bang, namely Thog. Drew and I attempt to uncover the many mysteries surrounding this release (the title, the cover, etc.), then we talk to guitarist Mark Haggerty and drummer Dante Ferrando. Don't be afraid.

    SHUDDER TO THINK "Get Your Goat" / Full Band Interview

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 16, 2023 283:09


    Holy rain covered cat! This episode is one of the ones I am most proud to share. Here at EOE headquarters,  it's no surprise how much we love this band and this record, so it was a complete labor of love and honor to get to go so deep with it and with the band. That's right, the entire band!There's even a surprise at the end of the journey/episode for all those brave enough to traverse to the bitter/sweet end. Join Drew and I as we talk until our jaws hurt. As an added bonus, James Parker (from Yeast) tells us about why this is his all time favorite Dischord release in a return of our quick-hit segment. Come on in, the waters...strange.

    LUNGFISH "Talking/Necklace" CD / Chris Richards

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 30, 2022 245:06


    The journey to the writhing heart of the cosmos begins here...Or at least the soundtrack, thereof. This episode Drew, Scott Sheridan and myself talk about the CD that collects the first two Lungfish releases. To say I'm excited about this episode is a gross understatement. Spoiler alert ; Lungfish = Brian's favorite band. As with most CD episodes, Scott saves the day (and your ears), by bringing a fresh perspective and enthusiasm to our musings. Later on the show, Chris Richards from Q and not U (and great writer for the Washington Post, among others) chimes in with some rapid-fire insight and humor on the band and this release. Hop onboard and tune into the Broadcast....

    AUTOCLAVE S/T 10" / Christina Billotte and Nikki Chapman

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 17, 2022 216:00


    This episode Drew and I examine a release that perhaps has fallen between the cracks of history, Dischord's first 10" and Autoclave's second record. I think this is an ep everyone interested in 90s Dischord needs to hear. Later in the show I talk to Christina Billotte and Nikki Chapman from the band. Do yourself a favor and listen to this and then listen to them.

    LUNGFISH "Talking Sings For Walking"

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2022 162:37


    This episode is a milestone of sorts. On it, we discuss the first album by one of my all time favorite bands (of any genre). The almighty and mysterious Lungfish. Do yourselves a favor and go listen to the record (right after the episode)!

    BEEFEATER "Plays/House" Comp CD / Full Band Interview

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2022 246:01


    This episode we welcome Drew and Scott back to the table to help cover for Jeff's absence. They're two stand up (not comedian) guys. We discuss the Beefeater body of work and legacy, as well as talk to three of the founding members in hour three of the show. Strap in. Long live Fred "Freak" Smith!

    CIRCUS LUPUS "Super Genius" / Chris Thomson

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 27, 2022 177:24


    So this is sadly Jeff's last episode before he goes on a "indefinite Hiatus". His voice will be missed, but his large spirit will still haunt the halls of the EOE studios. This episode we speak about Circus Lupus for the first time. Damn, this band was game changing for me and lots of folks. Fractured and feral, cerebral and bloody. Super Genius is one of the great Dischord debuts. Vocalist Chris Thomson stops by later in the show to fill in some of his musical history and share some stories of the formation of Circus Lupus. This is to be missed at your own peril. 

    NATION OF ULYSSES "The Birth Of The Ulysses Aesthetic" / Tim Green

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 13, 2022 163:12


    100 Episodes, who knew?! Not me, but it's been a fun and deeply rewarding journey thus far. Can't wit to see where we are by episode 200. On today's show we talk to Tim Green about 1991  : the year Ulysses went broke. Jeff and I wrestle with this odd duck of a release and come out the other side mostly unscathed. Tim is the perfect guest for our 100th, as he's been on the show the most, and is one of my favorite folks to virtually hang with. It was over 100 degrees during recording, so there are a few moments of  meltdown, both audio and host-wise. Hope you enjoy. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for listening this far....

    DESIDERATA "S/T" / Amanda Mackaye

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2022 232:13


    This episode we talk about a new band for the show, Desiderata, who put out this one record, was on a couple comps and released a demo. We celebrate the spirit and energy of this young band, and later in the show we had the pleasure of talking to vocalist Amanda MacKaye. We discuss this record, this band and then go down the rabbit hole on many subjects close to her large heart and fierce mind. This is one for the books!

    JAWBOX "Tongues/Ones and Zeroes" / J Robbins

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 16, 2022 146:39


    This episode we talk about the 7' that ushered in what a lot of folks would call Jawbox's golden period. As usual, we find a way to talk about two tracks for two and a half hours. Vocalist/guitarist J Robbins joins us for the second half of the show to talk about these recordings and his thoughts on everything from songwriting inspirations to leather vests and Soundgarden. Buckle up, it's a rocking ride!

    AUTOCLAVE "Three Songs" EP

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 1, 2022 104:15


    It's always fun to get to a new band in the Dischord roster. Today we talk about Autoclave's first record, a split with K. Unfortunately no guests this episode, but me and Jeff find plenty to say (surprise, surprise) about the second all woman band to release a record on Dischord. 

    FUGAZI "Steady Diet Of Nothing" / Joe Lally

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 27, 2022 249:45


    it's always a treat when we reach the Fugazi episodes. On today's show, we explore their second full length, Steady Diet Of Nothing. This is sometimes regarded as something of a dark horse in their catalog. We hope to have a hand in rectifying it's place in the canon. As you can see by the episode's length, we have a lot to say about this one. Friend of the show, Dr Drew Lichtenberg, drops by to weigh in on Guy's tracks on the album. Finally, we talk with bassist Joe Lally about the record and his philosophy of music and life. We'll meet you at the exit....

    HOLY ROLLERS "Fabuley/As Is" CD

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 12, 2022 146:04


    Once again we are joined by the illustrious Dr Drew Lichtenberg, as the co-host to the cohost, to discuss the still fresh Holy Rollers CD (that compiles their first two albums). Find out the question on everyone's lips, "which lp does Brian prefer? Jeff? Drew? And as per our contracts, we also diverge into many side topics about punk at large, other releases, scene politics etc.

    GRAY MATTER "S/T" / Dante Ferrando and Mark Haggerty

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 28, 2022 159:22


    From the ashes, Gray Matter rose again, at the dawn of the 90s and just in time to release one of their most raw, rocking releases yet. This double 7" was an explosion of energy as well as a  declaration of life and intent. Jeff and I take our usual meandering tour through our psyches and record collections on the way to digging into and throughly digging these discs. Then we're joined by the always gracious and intelligent Mark Haggerty (guitar) and Dante Ferrando (drums). Always a treaty at EOE studios when I get to revisit Gray Matter and talk to these kind folks.

    HOLY ROLLERS "Fabuley" / Marc Lambiotte

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 22, 2022 154:39


    With an iconic, unforgettable cover and huge production, the Holy Rollers second album really cemented their place in the Dischord family. Three members, three singers and multiple layers of music here. Find out what Jeff and I think of this one and hear guitarist/singer Marc Lambiotte go into the band's mindset and approach, as well as give some context for the times and some of the songs. Enjoy!

    SEVERIN "Fire And Sand" / Alec Bourgeois and Mark Haggerty

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 6, 2022 133:04


    As we get deeper into the 90s era on the show, we meet another new band, Severin. New music, but not necessarily new faces. We talk to singer/guitarist, Alec Bourgeois and guitarist Mark Haggerty about the origins of the band and their first release. Spoiler alert, Jeff and I dig it. Listen in for our take on how this band brings more elements into the Dischord formula and expands the label's parameters. 

    NATION OF ULYSSES "13 Point Program To Destroy America"/ Tim Green

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 30, 2022 206:15


    The revolution will not be broadcast. Turn off your radios. The teens have taken over! This episode we dismantle the dismantlers audio tract, 13 Point Program To Destroy America by Nation of Ulysses. There was a lot to discuss this week as we let the sugar and caffeine do their thing. Joining us after the revolutionary exogesis, is NOU guitarist Tim Green. Join the political party and dance the state away. 

    HIGH BACK CHAIRS "Of Two Minds" / Peter Hayes, Charles Steck and Jim Spellman

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2022 260:20


    Looking for the most hardcore release on Dischord? Look no farther. The High Back Chairs were so hardcore, they didn't need to scream or pretend not to care about hooks. This record is a lost power pop gem. Truly. Listen to us discuss the merits and mysteries of the record. Our resident academic, Drew Lichtenberg, drops in to give his breakdown of the band and we talk to everyone in said band, except their elusive drummer. A guy who was in a few bands. Anyhow, hope you enjoy this episode and it inspires a few folks to either buy this or dig it out of their collection to give it another spin and another chance. 

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