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Damion Trujillo lived a life of crime, drugs, and gang involvement starting from a young age. This downward spiral seemed impossible to escape until one day, he decided to tell and accept the truth about the path he was on. Sitting in front of this parole officer for a violation and sure he was headed back to jail, instead of lying and running as he had always done, Damion simply told his PO he needed help to turn his life around. That one decision started a chain of events that helped him transform his life into one of accountability, service, and compassion. Damion's sobering story is sure to help many understand their path in life and to make a difference for the better. About Damion's young life 2:30Getting in trouble and gang initiation 10:10When things went really South 21:00Doing 6 times and dealing with emotional pain 31:20Just getting by 36:50Getting out on bail 44:00The Haven 51:00“I thought ‘You're gonna do with me what anybody with any kind of authority has done with me. You're gonna lock me up, you're gonna punish me, I don't know when I'm gonna see the light of day again' and instead what came out of my mouth, I looked at this cop, and I hated cops almost my entire life. I looked across the table and looked at this guy and said ‘Man, I need some help.' And that's the first time I ever remember saying that to another person.” 48:52

 Ben almost blows up and Alludra got a cat!! All that and what games we were playing during break! Hint: Some were deep emotional journeys and others involved shapes! Download Link

Luke 2:8-20Just as the angels surrounded the shepherds 2000 years ago, the glory of God is shining all-around us. What does His glory look like, what does it tell us about Him and how does it make us feel? God is inviting us to enjoy the glory of His presence with that 'wow' inducing feeling of wonder.

Mark 16:15-20Just before returning to the Father, Jesus tells  his disciples to go  into all  the world and preach the  gospel  to all creation.  In what ways is Jesus calling you?  To whom is He calling you to share his love?  Where might  He be calling you to go or what might He be calling you to do?https://www.soulstrengthfit.com/

Want to be published in 2021 - in the Bare Books Indie Flash Fiction Anthology?As regular listeners will know, Bare Books Podcast introduces indie authors to their readers.  It’s all about the writing. We love that we get to amplify and highlight Indie authors and their work. We meet and talk to authors that paint their written words a very different colour through conversation. And as wonderful as all this is, and it is.. we want to do more.  So April and I got our heads together and made it so…Starting in January, a new competition for a new year lets try and keep those writing resolutions for 2021.Bare Books Podcast presents Indi Flash Fiction.It’s a fortnightly flash fiction writing competition, of between 500 and 1000 words, not one word longer, based on our writing promptsWe will give out the writing prompts and their deadlines in a moment, so be ready with your pen and paper.It’s free to enter.The winners will have their story recorded and broadcast on the podcast in full. Either narrated by yourself if you’re brave enough, or by either April or Myself, it’s your choice. We will publish a link to any of your author information in the show notes.We will also include the winners in a Bare Books Indie Flash Fiction Anthology to be published later in 2021. Really looking forward to seeing you all in print there. January Sales - deadline 30/12/20Just sick of it - deadline 13/01/21It’s complicated - deadline 27/01/21Come on, open the door - deadline 10/02/21Locked - deadline 24/02/21Never thought I’d curse the day - deadline 10/03/21Why are you blushing? - deadline 24/03/21Don’t be embarrassed, it’s normal - deadline 07/04/21Under the bed - deadline 21/04/21   

This week, the boys run down what was a great weekend of wrestling by reviewing this year’s Royal Rumble and NXT Takeover special (spoilers abound!), Simon tries to remain positive in the face of WWE’s creative decisions, and the FBI give Josh the silent treatment.As always, sharing and subscribing makes you lovely! If you’re an iTunes user, please leave a review and rating! =)Twitter: @finishing_moves / @smimons / @wytchthewarriorFacebook: @finishingmovespodcast

Everyone loves a story, I know I do. So here's just a little one about me, my best friend (well one of them) and ............................. Well you have to listen and find out. I hope you enjoy this little deviation (is it though?) and if you do please let me know at #Pcloughie on Twitter or though the website paulclough.co.uk and maybe we can enjoy a few more stories. When you have listened to it and if you feel you have a friend in need please share

Working a corporate job that he didn't entirely hate, Nick Loper wasn't climbing the walls to find an alternative. He did however realize that his 9 to 5 job was not something that truly inspired him and he started looking elsewhere. Nick realized that someone with slightly above average knowledge on a particular topic made it seem as though they were an expert to most others listening. With a very small amount of knowledge on his target topic, Nick begin learning how to he could build a business from 5 to 9 while still having the security of his 9 to 5 job. His journey was not without small failures, but Nick learned how to overcome his obstacles and went on to build several businesses as well as giving birth to ‘The Side Hustle Nation'. Takeaways: “This isn't the type of entrepreneurship you read about.” – Tweet This “Entrepreneurship is often defined as just putting something out there.” – Tweet This “Just start. I don't care if you have six kids and three mortgages. Just start.” – Tweet This “Hustle is working hard now so you can sit back and reap the benefits later.” – Tweet This “Everyone is given the same 24 hours in a day. What are you doing with yours?” – Tweet This “Shift your thinking from ‘what can I do to make money' to ‘what can I do to provide value'.” – Tweet This “It doesn't matter if you make $1 now, but rather if you can help someone else make $100 later.” – Tweet This   Full Post: http://goo.gl/5WhHpN Catalyst Community: http://www.catalystmlm.com More Interviews: http://catalystmlm.com/category/interviews Connect on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/catalystmlm Connect on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/catalystmlm Connect on Instagram: http://instagram.com/catalystmlm Connect on Pinterest: http://www.pinterest.com/catalystmlm

Download mp3 [audio: https://bibleprophecytalk.com/uploads/Bible%20Prophecy%20Talk%20-%20Is%20Matthew%2024%20Just%20for%20the%20Jews_.mp3] Today I talk with Alan Kurschner about Matthew 24. I hope to make these conversations a regular feature on the show. Alan's Website The post BPT Interview: Alan Kurschner – Is Matthew 24 For the Church? first appeared on Bible Prophecy Talk Podcast.

(Photos from Ramon Olivarez' Blog)Updated 360 View of the Rio Grande Valley Assembly Hall Project. 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The National Pest Management Association presents the NPMA podcast series. In episode #13 of this series, pest management expert Greg Baumann from NPMA discusses mosquitoes and the risks they pose to humans as potential carriers of West Nile Virus and other diseases. Greg Baumann More information is at NPMA's website, www.pestworld.org. The National Pest Management Association is a non-profit organization, whose mission includes consumer education on issues related to pests and the potential threats they may pose to public health and property. Celebrating its 76th year in 2009, the National Pest Management Association remains committed to the protection of public health, food and property. Listen to the podcast here: Download the podcast (00:07:31 stereo MP3 file, 7.91 mb) Subscribe to the RSS feed for NPMA’s podcast series. Apple iPod owners, subscribe to NPMA podcasts in the Apple iTunes Music Store. 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The National Pest Management Association presents the NPMA podcast series. In episode #12 of this series, pest management expert Greg Baumann from NPMA discusses stinging insects that are prevalent during the summer months. Greg Baumann More information is at NPMA's website, www.pestworld.org. The National Pest Management Association is a non-profit organization, whose mission includes consumer education on issues related to pests and the potential threats they may pose to public health and property. Celebrating its 76th year in 2009, the National Pest Management Association remains committed to the protection of public health, food and property. Listen to the podcast here: Download the podcast (00:07:00 stereo MP3 file, 7.4 mb) Subscribe to the RSS feed for NPMA’s podcast series. Apple iPod owners, subscribe to NPMA podcasts in the Apple iTunes Music Store. Keywords: npma, pests, wasps, bees, hornets, stinging insects, baumann, pestworld.org del.icio.us Tags: npma,pests,wasps,bees,hornets,stinging insects,baumann,pestworld.org Technorati Tags: npma,pests,wasps,bees,hornets,stinging insects,baumann,pestworld.org Produced by Professional Podcasts LLC, Cherry Hill, NJ 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Welcome to Lancelot's Roundtable - Episode 23Career Re-evaluation with Shelby SmithShelby 00:00I learned about myself that like with education that... you just realized you have no more coffeecorrect was tea like looked into my mug and like yep, it's pure design on its faceLance Foulis 00:14true Hello everybody and welcome back to Lancelot's Roundtabe. It is getting very spring likeoutside we are early March and we're getting our first little taste of spring, which probablymeans that we're going to get a least one more bout of snow before we get into permanentspring time. So I hope everyone's having a good day. Hope everybody's enjoying the sunshine,wherever you are, if it's sun shining, when you listen to this, but thanks so much for listening.I'm happy to welcome to the podcast, a really good friend of mine, Shelby Smith. Shelby,welcome to the roundtable. Hi, thanks so much for having me. Absolutely, really thrilled thatyou could come on. So why don't you tell the people a little bit about yourself? Yeah, so I'm 33mom of one currently.Shelby 01:13Born and raised, Columbus went to o u in Athens and I have a Bachelors of Science incommunication studies, through right out of college went into HR and then marketing where Imet you. That's where are we met? That's where we met a couple years ago. Yeah, well, morethan a couple now. We'll go with a couple. And then when that really just wasn't the greatestfit, I left the corporate sector and decided that I was better fit for the education side. So I havebeen teaching for five years. It's my fifth year. So I'm about to end my fifth year and wild Godyears already. It's crazy. And I have my masters now in education, curriculum and instructionfrom Ashland University. I didn't know you went to Ashlyn. I mean, it was all online. But yeah,that's your mom. Right? Hey, everybody, Kim's here.SSKim Foulis 02:09Hi.Lance Foulis 02:11She's walking around taking pictures and video. She does that. Hey, hey, everybody. Hey, soum, yeah, so like we met at a company that I still work for you left? Correct. And you were oneof the people that was in the infamous row that we talked about on the episode with NatalieBaldwin, Episode 19. Go listen to it. Oh, I didn't realize it was episode 19. Bob, good plug,Marketing, Marketing and Communication Specialist right there runs through the just part ofthe blood you can't get rid of it can't. So let's talk a little bit about those days. I rememberwhen I first started. I was coming from local bank. And I was really excited about this jobbecause it was an actual, like, professional type job. And I remember meeting you, you were 90days, I believe, is that correct? I think so. Yeah, yeah, you're getting or you're getting close toyour 90th day because that was some type of a milestone. Yes. And I remember just being likea deer in the headlights,Shelby 03:09like get like 90 days, I was still a deer in the headlights. Let's be honest,Lance Foulis 03:12it wasn't easy. Which I remember Natalie and I got into that very much. But I mean, lookingback at those memories, it was, here's your clients, here's what you're doing. And when I sayhere's what you're doing, it's more like, here's where you'll be sitting in here's your computer.Here's how you log in random binder of things that oh, you know, the binders, we had a lot ofbinders,Shelby 03:33they did do a great job of pairing you up with a person who had your client before youunfortunately for me, all of my clients went came from a person who was leaving.Lance Foulis 03:46Yeah, and that's what that's that's like the worst situation that you could be in in that role is theperson that used to support it is gone. Because there's, there wasn't a good knowledge sharing,I guess that's the way I would put it. So like that person left with the knowledge of how to dothings. So lots of all of the nitty gritty details. For your day to day you just had to learn byShelby 04:09KSSSShelby 04:09identifier? Well, I think a lot of it for me was learned by not doing and then realize I didn't doand then having to do very, very quickly. Yeah. So that was a thing where like, vendors wouldreach out and say, Hey, we normally have, you know, a program coming through or informationcoming through for for this program are running, but we haven't seen it come through. Are westill running that for you? Yeah, that's the only thing.Lance Foulis 04:31Like, that's literally like a third party and they're basically coming to your rescue. And they'rebeing very nice about it. But it's like, oh, yeah, you know, we typically would expect to get thisform by now. And we haven't done it but we know that you need the this material over hereand it's going to take some days for it to get there.Shelby 04:48Yeah, I think in the beginning, I had to call in a lot of favors for people I didn't even know yet.Yeah. Can you run this for me in 24 hours? I promise you'll learn to love me.Lance Foulis 04:57Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's true, but you were really Good at your internal network. Oh, thankyou. Yeah, you were really good at that.Shelby 05:05I got the hang of it after a while. Yeah. And it just slowly after I kind of had the hang of it andhad been doing it for a while, started to realize it just was not what I was passionate about. Itwas not what was what made me happy. It was not a good fit, I lovedLance Foulis 05:20who I worked with, it's always the people, it's always theShelby 05:23people. And what I learned, and I did learn a ton from that position. Yep. And I'm very thankfulfor that. But the biggest thing, I think I learned was the 8020 lesson, and that in your role, and Itry and pass this on to my students all the time, because I am High School. And for the last fiveyears, the constant for me has been seniors in high school. So I've taught a little bit of nine, alittle bit of 11 some electives, but the constant all five years has been that I have had at leastone one course of English 12. So all seniors and so one thing I try and pass on to them asthey're moving into that next phase of life is that they need to look for the 8020 You're nevergonna find 100% It's just not out there. Right? You're always gonna have some little bit thatSSSSyou don't love to do. Yeah, I gave an example the other day, I could work with puppies all daylong. be fantastic. So much fun, just little puppies running around everywhere, but you're stillgonna have that like puppies have sharp teeth, or you know, they're not potty trained. Orthey're chewing on your shoelaces. And you know, your new Louis Vuitton bag is now coveredin slobber or did this happen to you? Know, this is just my own? Like, no, no, no. lifeexperience? Well, I mean, my dog did eat one of my purses. So that's cool.Lance Foulis 06:36Just not a Louis Vuitton. God loved Piper. Oh my gosh, I forgot about Piper.Shelby 06:40How's Piper She's good. She's getting gray.Lance Foulis 06:42How old is she? Oh,Shelby 06:45nine.Lance Foulis 06:45Cuz you you guys got her before you got married? Right?Shelby 06:50Yeah, I think she's eight or nine.Lance Foulis 06:51Okay, that's awesome. I'm glad to hear about Piper. I totally forgot about Piper. Yeah.Shelby 06:56Yeah, so I try and tell them they're still that that you know, a little bit that you don't love. Lovethe puppies hate the slobber and the sharp teeth. And, you know, and so if you have 80% ofthe job you absolutely love and 20% that you can deal with, then that's golden. If you can find9010 That's like the rainbow. Yeah. out there. Yeah. And so for me, it was when I was at theSSSSmarketing position that I was in with you. It was the opposite. It was the 2080. Yeah. And the20% were the people that I worked with. That was what I loved and what got me in every singleday. Yeah. But it was the 80% of the actual work I was doing was that 80% I hated? Yeah,couldn't do it. And so in education, luckily, I have found the good positive 8020 Where it's 80%of the job I love. And then there's 20%, where you have paperwork, and you know, gradingessays that maybe are not at the caliber, you would like them, or, you know, workLance Foulis 07:54in progress, right. And you don't have to write anybody up. That's, that's also cool. SoShelby 07:59yes, it's very nice. Yeah, I mean, aside from like, sending home email saying, Yeah, ILance Foulis 08:03literally thought about that, after I sent said that. And I'm like, Well, no, there's probably somedisciplinary issues. But high school, there's probably some discipline that needs to happen. Solet's talk a little bit about because I mean, from my perspective, you are so fresh out of college,that it's I feel like for you is probably at least somewhat hard to know and get your bearingsaround all that like now you can look back and be like, Yeah, I wasn't happy, I maybe I shouldhave made my move sooner. And maybe I didn't have to deal with all that stuff that I dealtwith. So do you think that's a consequence of Okay, everybody, thank you. Always fun when wehave these little like interesting cuts, but I had a phone call from my mechanic, and I needed totake it because I need you to see how much the bad news was. So life happens. Life happens.Exactly. Right. So what I was asking you Shelby was essentially, when you win, this was one ofyour first jobs that you started, right? Yes. So I wanted to find out from you what yourperspective was on. I'm trying to remember how many years you were there before you left?Was it like three, four? I was there like a little over four. So a little over four years. So you thinkabout I mean, that's when you're coming out of college things are just like in four year batches,because high school before your batch College is a four year batch. So do you think that maybeif you if it hadn't been your first job, you might have figured out quicker that it wasn't a goodfit?Shelby 09:27I think so. I think I had a lot of pressure on myself as well. Yes. Just to make it work. I had neverreally experienced true failure at something and not not succeeding. Yeah, you know, andLance Foulis 09:44that was hard every day was basically like on some level a struggle. Oh, to not lose my mind.Yeah, yes, it is. And to be successful what we were doing Yes, yeah. Every day was like a battlein that sense.SSShelby 09:57Yeah. And this was before like I was there about Before all of the reorg started, right that themultitude of reorg were at my tail end is when those reorg started happening. So, you know,we kind of had all of those different deliverables that we had to do that were eventually kind ofpushed off to other people. And we had just a core group of deliverables.Lance Foulis 10:21Yeah, so to kind of describe that to people. So in our role, we were like, we were managingmarketing projects, which that that's kind of a very loose definition to get more nitty gritty into,I think a better explanation is like, we were like the gatekeepers to a lot of different things. Andit was our job to work with so many different people across the organization to make surethings happen. So we had to be subject matter experts across across a very wide variety ofthings. So anyway, let's talk some more of just about like that experience for you. So everysingle I mean, we were all in that like, right, every single day coming in, the challenges arereally high, the pressure is really high, you have a date that you pretty much have to meet, youcan't miss any of these dates. When you do you get to have Crucial Conversations. So checkmail date, hashtag mail dates. So talk, talk, just talk a little bit about maybe your journey of,you know, four years you're doing this thing, the people are great. The job is the way that thejob is, how did you get to the point where you understood, this isn't for me, and to make thatcourageous decision to?Shelby 11:31Yeah, so I think it's also really important to understand that that point in my life was also a verybig turning point into adulthood, you know, coming right out of college. When I took that job, Iwas, you know, 23 Yeah. And so still, in retrospect, now, 10 years later. 23 is really young. Youknow, when I when I was in that spot, I was like, you know, I'm gonna know what's ups. I'mbrown. I know what I'm doing. I got this. And in reality, that was not the case at all. But I washanded a one I considered a good title with a good salary, you know, we were looking for Yeah,we were well compensated. And yeah. You know, I felt like if I couldn't make this work, then Iwas failing at life. Period. Yeah. Period. And because also, if you remember, a lot of the peoplethat I went to college with, also had jobs there. It was different department. It wasLance Foulis 12:27an Oh, you haven like people like we really came out. Oh, you and my Oh, my ammo of Ohio.Those were like the two big ones. I think. I don't think we recruit that in the same way anymore.But yes, back then. Yeah. No, you folks. Yes. Can you talk about the comparison factor? Whatdo you mean? So? You're see that's that's the thing. I don't I think that's really important tonotice. Or to note. You mean comparing yourself to the fact that yeah, you went to college andmost people now you're in the professional sector with a bunch of people and there's no endright? There's no spring breaks. There's no the quarters over. SoSSShelby 13:02glad that you brought that up. Because that I've I realized about myself is I am a person whoworks in increments in life in general. So I always knew that about myself in terms of likeworking out, right. If I was going for a run, not a runner. I hate to write terrible. I don't knowhow people do it or why you do it. Yeah, Harrison. Right. Eric, come on our friendLance Foulis 13:22Aaron that we used to work with her and her husband loved to run. Do they run in likeblizzards? Yeah. And we would always scratch her heads at that a little bit. Anyway,Shelby 13:30I mean, they love it. And that's good. Love that journey for them. Not mine. Not my journey. Butwhen I go for a run, I always have to tell myself, Okay, I just need to make it from here to thestop sign. Hmm. Right. And then I get to the stop sign like Okay, from here to the yellow car.Yeah. Or one more block around the track. Yep. So I have to give myself these increments toknow that I have reached my goal. Yeah. And if it is a very short term goal. Yeah. And therewas no end in sight. Like you said, there was no end. It was just everyday rolling over. And yourend in sight was retirement like 35 years down the road. And that was a very dark hole to lookdown for me.Lance Foulis 14:06Yeah, that oh, that's an abyss to look at. Yeah.Shelby 14:09So I learned about myself that, like with education that you just realized you have no morecoffee,Lance Foulis 14:16correct? Well, I was tea, like looked into my mug and like, Yep, it'sShelby 14:19peered on its face. True. So I realized that in education, you have those increments, you know, Ihave to make it from here until Christmas break and then I get you know, some time todecompress. And then I need to make it from here to spring break and then spring break to thesummer and then I get to start all over again. I get to look back and say okay, this didn't worklast year. What did I like that worked? What did I like that didn't work? You know, what can ISSSStweak and then move forward? fresh, new faces, new people? Yeah. You know, new minds tomold. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. So it is very increment driven in education. And that works forme. Yeah. So At that point in time, there was no end in sight. And that was really hard for me tokind of get through. And there was this constant comparison, which I also think is part of amaturity thing. Yeah, I was in that, in that age where everyone else is doing it, everyone else iswinning, I have to do it and when to and so, and these are people that I was close to in college,not just random people that went to the same university as me, but people that I spent timewith in college I was friends with. So there's that wanting to save face not wanting to, youknow, be the one who boughs out kind of situation,Lance Foulis 15:35which is really hard to your point at 23. Because you just you don't know what you don't know.And it just would be so hard. Like, I mean, I can just I can totally just picture that see that in myif that would if that had been my experience. Just Oh, everybody else seems to be doing great.What's why? Why can't I? Why can't I? Right? And that being just a question in your face, rightwould be exhausting? Yes.Shelby 16:01So I think also, like different teams were functioning differently 100% You know, depending onwho you had, in your upper levels, and who I had in my upper levels that were kind of helpingme manage really dictated my success. You know, Laura getting's was one of those people thatwas super inspirational to me and very supportive for me and supportive of me during a timethat it was really difficult for me and so with her support, and guidance, I kind of made itthrough a rough patch. Right. And that's when I was promoted to senior. Yep, at that point,which was kind of the next Yeah,Lance Foulis 16:40cuz remember, there was so funny, you bring that up, and that instantly brings back memoriesthat you just brought up like the, the pressure, there was like, an unwell I don't want to evensay unspoken, but there was definitely a pressure to get to senior. And there was like a, like,you kind of expected to be able to get there within a year, take a couple months. And if he haddidn't, it was kind of like whyShelby 17:05well and not to mention that when I first started everybody in program management had toldme and this was like a direct quote from multiple people. If you can make it in programmanagement for a year you can make it anywhereLance Foulis 17:15that was like well known across the company.SSShelby 17:17I mean in across other companies like they were basically like if you can make it at thiscompany here in this specific role, then you can do you know, you can conquer world peace.Yes. I mean, that's that was a well known fact. So it was to add that added pressure and then toknow that it was something of a feat in itself. Yes, it just conquer the role. But yes, it was youwant to make it to senior you want to get the laptop.Lance Foulis 17:44We talked about that with Natalie's like that way back, then having a laptop was a definitemark of success. For sure in there. Because there was there were a couple seniors I didn't evenremember that that did have laptops and basically meant that you were good to travel. Cuz youremember back then we did. We didn't do traveling. Yeah, on site audits and reissues. Wewould go to the processor and audit things. And that was a mark. Especially like the first timethat you did it. Like that was like, Oh, you've got your own merit badge now. Yep. Yeah.Shelby 18:18So yeah, with with some some good management in place, at that point in time, I was able tokind of make it through, learn what I was doing, get my bearings, people that came in and sawthat things. The way that we had been doing them weren't working, and kind of making someadjustments for us was huge. Yeah. Because I got one client, specifically. And Steve, do youreceive? Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. So Steve, was my manager at that point? That's right. For a veryshort period of time, but he handed me this plan. And he said, This is going to be just, youknow, collateral maintenance is what he said, no big deal. You're just going to send in acollateral order for new issues. Once a month, like no big deal. Yeah. And we had expected tohave 4000 new accounts that first month. And so we only bought enough collateral to issue youknow, four or 5000. Give or take, and we turned around the next month, and we had 40,000new accounts. Yep. 10 times what we were supposed to have, and we had no collateral. Yep.And it was like a four week turnaround for credit cards to be made, which is fast, right?Lance Foulis 19:28In today's terms, that's a very fast turnaround for was for it was usually like four to eightweeks. Okay, I was gonna say that was my point. It got up to like, 12 Yes, there was a supplychain issue and it got to like 12 to 14.Shelby 19:41Yeah, so that became a very stressful client. For me very, very quickly. And it was supposed tobe like my easy peasy.SSSLance Foulis 19:48Yeah. And then it just becomes this monster. And there's it's really hard to pivot. That's a fancyfancy buzzword. It's, it's it's really hard to pivot because you're saying This client? Well, you cantry saying this client is actually really, really, really difficult. And but there's this history. No, it'snot. No, it's all all you have to do is just this little bit. I'm telling you, it's drowning me. Oh, you'llbe okay. Yeah.Shelby 20:15Yeah. So I mean, there were a lot of things that I think not necessarily were like already againstme, but things that made it a little bit more difficult for me to acclimate to the position itself.When I first came in, you know, after about two years, I felt confident, okay, I know what I'mdoing. I can do this. And I think that's really when I started to find myself as a human being andan adult. And you know, what I wanted I liked and I didn't like, that was when my husband and Ireally started taking things a little bit further in our relationship. We got engaged. And it wasright before I decided to leave that role that we got married, right. And so God bless myhusband, he loves me so much. We got married. I locked it down. And then two days later, Iquit my job. I made sure I had that locked down.Lance Foulis 21:13Yeah. Yes, by the way, PS,Shelby 21:17I no longer have income. So I mean, that was a challenging time in life in itself. And I actuallystayed for three weeks after I give a you know, two weeks notice. But I stayed for three, threeweeks. And I really worked super, super hard during those three weeks. To pass Michael, thebinder.Lance Foulis 21:36Yeah, that was your book of business. Yeah, in a really good way, a really good way. You werereally, you were really focused on making sure that you set someone else up for success. Yes,that was a big deal.Shelby 21:48It was a huge deal for me, because I knew what it was like to just be past something that wasnothing when you first started. And the clients that I was passing on, were ones that wereactive every month with multiple programs, they were running, and very specific, intricate, youknow, idiosyncrasies that they wanted, specifically for that client. So I wanted to make sureSSSthat whoever was getting those clients was prepared in what they do every month. And so Iworked really hard in those three weeks. And I remember the day that I left, you all walked meout to my car, Natalie, you Erin, Jen, Ryan, all walked me out to my car, and I was sobbing.Lance Foulis 22:28Oh, it was it was hard. Because we were all so tight. As like we went makes me choke up nowthinking about it. You know, we went through like, because we all like struggled in all of ourways that we struggled with all the clients that we were supporting. And we all like wentthrough growing pains together. We went we did lunches together, we we vented together, wetalked about how we were struggling in our we were close with each other like we would goout, you know, you, myself and our significant others would all get together occasionally. Andlike have a good time. Like we'd go that do happy hours. So it wasn't just like coworkers. It waslike we were friends. We were besties we were work besties Yeah. And so like, yeah, Iremember walking you out and like it felt like a shot to the gut. To all of us.Shelby 23:12It felt like a real, goodbye. Yeah. And you know, going from every day, okay, we're in thistogether, at least I have these people to help me through to really be like, Okay, I'm on myown. And I have no idea what I'm going to do next. And all of these people are not going to beright there. Yeah, you know, a cubicle over.Lance Foulis 23:32So yeah, let's Well, I mean, let's talk about that. Because I don't even think I knew that youdidn't know that you were gonna go back to school at this point. Oh, no, it was like a cleanbreak. You just knew I knew this wasn't for me. Yeah. And you're in a huge life transition. Youjust got married.Shelby 23:46Let's mention that. The week that I got married. I also bought a home. Oh, that's right. I signedmy mortgage. You know, which I've never goneLance Foulis 23:55through a mortgage signing before. You don't you don't know the full extent to what you'redoing when you because it's a it's a giant book of things to sign.Shelby 24:06Oh, yeah. And you're signing your life away. I mean, it's basically saying we will take your life ifyou don't give us our mortgage payment. Yes, exactly. Right. It's really scary as the first timehomeowner you always feelhomeowner you always feelLance Foulis 24:16like I should have I should have like I should have secured myself a lawyer to go through thesedocuments with me.Shelby 24:22I am not smart enough to be looking at this by myself. So that's your first home buyingexperience buying experience. We signed on one Friday and moved in that weekend and thenwe got married on the following Friday. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. Which I don't recommendanyone doing buying a home and planning a wedding at the same time. It was the worst itLance Foulis 24:42self folks out there. Don't do that.Shelby 24:45Don't do it. Don't do it. JustLance Foulis 24:46two separate times are your guyses wedding was really beautiful. We got to go to your to yourwedding. Erin was at my wedding. That's right here it was in your wedding. And we had oursecond we were talking about this before we started recording Our second child, Connor. Boy,he he had just been born. So I was holding in less than a month. Yes. I was holding him duringthe whole ceremony. He was wearing a tuxedo onesie. Fair remember? Oh, wow, I never wouldbe able to remember that. That's, that's a mom memory. Yes, it is. Um, yeah. So that was fun.Like, we had that wonderful memory. And then yeah, so So you literally went from job to no jobhouse responsibility. Marriage. Tell me about the transition.Shelby 25:33So it was really hard for me, because it was the first time that I had ever been without a jobsince I was like 16 years old. And I grew up in a family where it was instilled in us Don't quityour job until you have another job to fall back on. And so it felt like a really big failure that Iwas leaving without anything to fall back on. Geez. And so it was really hard. And I admittedly, Ispent a couple of weeks, maybe months on my couch, just kind of wallowing. Yeah, mysorrows. Trying to figure out if I didn't like this, what would I like, and I applied for a lot of jobsthat were very similar to what I was doing beforehand. And I kept having these conversationsSSSwith my husband and with my sisters and my friends, like, why are you applying for jobs thatare the same as what you were doing before? If you didn't like that, then we need to findsomething different. SoLance Foulis 26:24how would you answer that question?Shelby 26:26So I couldn't answer that question. I don't know. That was my answer. I don't I don't know why Ikeep applying for these jobs. Yeah, you know, it's the exact same job I was doing before. Butthat's what I felt like I was qualified to do. Yeah, with a Communication Studies degree. Andthen this experience, this is what I felt I fit into cookie cutter wise. So I decided that in theinterim, when I was trying to figure out, okay, I'm not gonna apply for any more of these jobs,because clearly, I don't like it. And it's not a fit for me, but I need to figure out what I'm doing.And I need to make some money in the process. My mom, who has been in the education fieldfor now, 25 years, had said, you have a bachelor's degree, come and substitute teach, whileyou're trying to figure it out. It's a daily, you know, paycheck, your daily, you know, pay, it'seasy, you can, you know, you can do it. Yeah. And then you can have time to figure out whatyour what your what you want to do. And so, I started doing that. And honestly, when I wasgoing into college, I had thought, I really like education. And every aptitude test I took in highschool said, you know, teaching was one of those Yep. On the list. Yep. And I did JuniorAchievement. When I was working at our organization. Do you remember that at all? So it was abusiness class, essentially, that you went into different middle schools. And you taught once aweek, a class to like sixth and seventh grade, youLance Foulis 27:53did that while you were at the company? I didn't, I don't remember that.Shelby 27:56Yeah. And I loved it. I taught at New Albany Middle School. And one other one, and I could seeescaping me right now. But you taught them about credit. And you know, all these different,you know, economics, just basic and reporting for kids to learn about, they gave you acurriculum, it was the Junior Achievement curriculum. And you just went in and taught the preplanned lessons, but I loved it. And then I started substitute teaching, and I fell in love with it allover again. And I thought to myself, if I love being in a different classroom, that's not my own.With new kids, every day, then I would really love to have my own space with kids that I couldreally build a relationship with. Yeah. And that's what I loved about it, you know, was buildingthe relationship with the kids and joking around with them and, you know, all that kind of stuff.So I tried the elementary school. I subbed in elementary for like, a day. No, this is not for me.The Little People are not my forte. Did youSSLance Foulis 28:59substitute in in elementary, okay. Yeah, IShelby 29:03served a couple days in elementary and it was just not not where it was at for my kid. I wouldhave a hard time too. Yeah. Love my own little person. Mm hmm. And, you know, other people Ido love children, maybe in smaller Yes.Lance Foulis 29:18groupings. You know,Shelby 29:19I just don't do the whole like Tommy's touching me and snotty nose and, you know, hold handswhile we take a potty break. And that just was not where my Yeah, my groove was, yeah,you're Yes, my age. And then I tried middle school, and I was like, Okay, this is a little better. Ilike this, but they're very, like, emotional. You know, one kid had made fun of another kid andsaid that the other kid thought that I was cute. And embarrass him and he started crying. Andthen I felt like I don't know what to do. Because if I let go over and I console him that it justmakes it worse, right? Don't and I feel very cold hearted. So it's just very awkward situation forme. Yeah. And then I found high school and I was like, these are my people. Yeah, they got myhumor, I could tell them to just go away for a minute when I needed a second.Lance Foulis 30:07And this is still just you're substituting stuff, just figuringShelby 30:10it out. Wow. And so then I started looking into programs of how I could get my teaching license.And that's when I found Ashland University's bachelor Plus program. And they worked with mein the classes that I had for my undergrad. Because, again, while I was an undergrad, I took alot of education electives, because it was something that I was interested in interesting. And Ireally felt like, and I think I've told you this before. I feel like looking back when I was in thecorporate role, there were different points throughout. Where God kept saying to me, you're onthe wrong path. You're on the wrong road, you need to turn right. Mm hmm. And there weredifferent points, where it would be very, very clear, like you need to turn and I would just say,Nope, I got to make this work. I started on this road. This is the road we're taking. There are noalternates. Yeah. And then eventually it got to a point where he just put a dead end. Yeah. Andhe was like, Nope, you only go right. Yeah. And so then when I turned right, the road was a lotless bumpy and a lot more enjoyable. And it was really hard. Because when I started going toschool, back to school, I was substitute teaching full time, so five days a week. And then ISSSdecided I was going to coach cheerleading. Oh, that's right. I kind of remember that. Yeah. So Iwas coaching some of the kids that I was subbing because I was a long term sub. And I wasalso working at roosters at that time, I was waitressingLance Foulis 31:44back to do, because you had done that I asked life. Yeah.Shelby 31:48So I went back just because it was extra money. And you know, I had a new mortgage and allthat kind of stuff. So I was working effectively like three jobs. Yeah. And then going to schoolfull time for a year and a half. So it was a grind for sure.Lance Foulis 32:01When did you go to classes.Shelby 32:03So it was a lot of like, very self paced. But it was all online. And so I would kind of get thesyllabus and it would say these things are due, you know, this week, you need to read this. Andthen this paper is due on Sunday, and you have a discussion board post and two responseskind of thing. So nights, weekends when I wasn't at a game or at a at a practice. Yeah, that waswhen I was doing the work.Lance Foulis 32:32So what did it feel like? Did you feel like motivated? Did you just get into a little like a grooveand just head down?Shelby 32:38Yeah, I mean, I think I saw the end, I saw what I could have at the end. And that was reallyinspiring to me plus what I was learning, I really loved. Yeah. SoLance Foulis 32:48that was that was you were you were like really enjoying the content of the classes that youwere taking?Shelby 32:53SSSSShelby 32:53Yeah, because I didn't I had so many credit hours for my undergrad in English. Yeah, I didn'treally have to take a ton of English classes, more of it was, you know, my methods andinstructional, like the pedagogy type classes that I had to take. So I was really learning whatthat word mean. I was learning howLance Foulis 33:10to while you were talking, I was searching my brain. And then I realized nope, I'm not going tofind it rotary have Yeah.Shelby 33:16So basically, the the method of teaching, okay. I was, I was learning how to teach notnecessarily what to teach, but but how to go about it, different protocols, that we use activitiesthat you can do with the kids to get to a deeper level of learning, and you know, those types ofthings. So creating lesson plans, and what goes into that, and what is a 504 plan versus an IEPplan and, you know, different things that you need to know on the day to day when you're inthe classroom. Yeah, I will say the best preparation for having my own classroom was being inclassrooms as a substitute teacher that I couldn't get in a classroom on my own. It's just theexperience of being with kids. Yep. So I mean, learning classroom management was huge forme,Lance Foulis 34:08tell me more about classroom management,Shelby 34:11you know, creating an environment where you are the authority of the classroom, but then youalso are creating an environment where students can lead their own learning. Hmm. So I amkind of the facilitator. Yeah, but I'm also the authority of what happens in this classroom. So Iam responsible and liable for all of the 30 bodies in my classroom right now. And I have to beable to assert myself as that authority in that classroom. And so effectively managing thebehavior of my students Yeah, is something that some teachers struggle with. It's somethingthat some teachers come into naturally. And every year it changes and every class period thatchanges my methods for every class change, because it's a different set of students. Yeah, andit can change if a couple of students are absent that day, or you know, I Get students that Ihave to watch for another teacher who's out that day, right? I have to cover a class for anotherteacher. And so I get additional students in. So you have to be constantly willing to adjustbased on what's going on in your classroom. Got it. And not every day is me sitting in front ofstudents and lecturing to them. And they're just silently taking notes, right? It's you're doinggallery walks in your classroom, and you're doing interactive activities, where they're talking toeach other, or, you know, doing group work or reading aloud. And so being able to managetheir behavior along with instilling the content, and developing the content is its own separateskill,SSSLance Foulis 35:42no doubt, no doubt. So when you're substitute teaching, are you only doing certain subjects?Shelby 35:48No, I was in I was in every subject. Most of the time, though, it was they already knew whatthey were doing. Okay. And I was just kind of there to manage, collect everything they weredoing since you know, I wasn't really responsible for teaching content, especially in high school.More. So in elementary, you might be like going through specific activities with them. Yeah. Butit was kind of pass out a worksheet, you know, now when I'm out and I have a sub in myclassroom, everything's electronic. So I say check the agenda on Google Classroom, orwhatever platform we're using. And so for my notes for the substitute, you know, their agendasare on the virtual platform, have them check in and everything is hyperlinked to the documentsthat can turn it in electronically. So they just have to kind of like sit there and watch the kidsmake sure that they're not murdering each other.Lance Foulis 36:40So that's fair, when you were going to school, did you figure out what you wanted to teach?Shelby 36:45I always knew I wanted English. Okay, you alwaysLance Foulis 36:48knew from from day one, but I did have to decide whatShelby 36:51level and I chose seven through 12. Because that was where my niche was my niche, yourniche? was?Lance Foulis 37:00Was it? Well, we can get into that in a second. That's, that's a later question. I want to know. SoI'm, I'm just picturing you. You're newly married, which is his own challenge you have you stillhave responsibilities, house payments, and everything else. Tell me about how the relationshipstuff worked out? Like how did your new marriage? How was it during this time? HowSSSShelby 37:20did it survive? Yeah. A lot of grace, I will say, for my husband, a lot of understanding that, youknow, I Yes, had quit my job and put us in a financial, more of a financial burden situation. But Ithink he really saw and understood that I was trying my best to contribute as much as I could,to our financial goals and our financial situation. So he was very understanding provided a lot ofopportunity for me when he could to have kind of space to get my stuff done. And kind of hetook on a lot more than I was able to at that point in time. So I have to give a lot of credit to, tomy husband, I had amazing support from my family and my friends, whenever I kind of neededsomething. You know, but it was really just time management. And oh, yeah, it was just a grind.So he understood that was very supportive. Yeah, throughout that whole thing, but it was hard.I mean, we had to make some financial choices. And looking back, we both say that it was onlyby the grace of God that we were able, you know, to make it and for some reason, we never, itnever got to a point where we couldn't pay a bill, which was very strange, because, you know, Iwas making a good salary that ILance Foulis 38:42just left that you it's not a it's, it's the type of salary that's not easy to replace, right? It's not,Shelby 38:47it's not easy to walk away from. So, you know, I cut our income pretty much in half. Andsomehow, we got through, we got we got through the period, whether I mean, there were somethings that were divine in those in those months, like, you know, we would get a refund checkfor something that happened to be very similar to a random bill or an increase in our water billthat we weren't expecting. And oh, yeah, those things that we couldn't really account for. But,you know, my husband and I are Christians. And so we attribute that to, you know, just Godlooking out and yeah, and being a part of our lives and yeah, and that kind of stuff. So, it washard. Yep. But I think it actually helped us in our marriage. Major, stronger. We Yeah, we got alot closer. We learned how to manage things together.Lance Foulis 39:41Yeah. So Yeah. When did when did your daughter come? Come into the picture?Shelby 39:47So she came in, I got my job with my current district. And then at the end of that first year ofteaching, I found out I was pregnant with my daughter got it. And then I delivered her thebeginning of my second year teaching. So I always laugh and like joke with my colleaguesabout how I've never had a full actual, like normal year of teaching because my first year, I hadsome wonky stuff going on at the beginning. And then I had, I had gotten pregnant with mydaughter, and I was super sick all the time. You know, from February until May, which was thevery end of that year. And then the second year, I was out for 12 weeks on maternity leave, ISSSwas like waddling around like a penguin, you know, for the first couple of months of school. Andthen I was out for a while. So that wasn't really a normal year. And then my third year, inMarch, everything shut down.Lance Foulis 40:44Yeah. So shut down. COVID. Yeah,Shelby 40:48yeah. So my first year was the 1718. school year. My second year was the 18 19/3. year when Ihad come back from having my daughter was I was like a skinny, my first normal year, right. Igot it together. I know what I'm doing. I know what to expect. And then March happened, and itwas like, Okay, we're going on spring break. And then it was like, just kidding. We're getting anextra week of spring break, who? And then it was like, Can we come back in? Yeah, we have tostill have to be inside. Oh, God don't have to be inside. That sounds awful. And so then westarted teaching the rest of the year, virtually, yeah. From Home, which was hard in itself. Wewere living with my parents at that point, because we had decided to sell our home and build ahouse. And so, you know, teaching from home with my toddler and my parents all in one house.Yeah. And my mom is education as well. She was home all day every day.Lance Foulis 41:42Your mom's at the same school? No, no. What does she teach?Shelby 41:45She's actually the principal secretary. Oh, yeah. So like run stuff. Anybody who's educationknows that? Like the secretaries run stuff?Lance Foulis 41:54Okay. Got it. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And she, she did that your whole life? Okay. Yeah. Soyou I mean, you had like a window into education during this whole time. So that makes sense.So, yeah, I mean, I'm just fascinated by well, okay, so I'm back up, we had a really hard year in2019. And it is miraculous that we made it out of that time. And then the aftermath of that,trying to pick up the pieces of that 2019 year, Kim's house got really bad. And during that year,and then, and then there was a lot of financial impact that happened on the back end of that.So it is really amazing. The support that we had, and however, we made it through that asdefinitely divine, because we shouldn't have made it through that. So it's really fascinating.When you think about the hard times that you walk through, that you go through, you reallyneed to look and see where you're being protected. And where. Yeah, that it could be it couldbe worse.SSShelby 43:00Yeah. Where that grace is being extended? Yes. Yeah.Lance Foulis 43:02Yeah. So tell me more about? Yeah, just the adjustment.Shelby 43:07So then my, my so my third year, we, you know, back half of that year, March to May was allvirtual, and then we started the year, you know, 2020, all virtual. So go, you know, started thatyear at my parents house, moved into our new house in November was still all virtual. When Iwas supposed to come back to school after kind of the work going back, hybrid learning, hybridlearning. My husband got COVID. And so I was home for 14 days, again, still working fromhome. So it was like, Yes, I get to go back to work. No, I don't. So that was a hard blow. Butthen that fourth year of teaching, so my last year of teaching was a hybrid. So I had a handfulor more of kids in my classroom. And then I had the rest of them virtually on Zoom. So I had myclassroom setup kind of flipped backwards, I had a big, what are called clever touch, or SmartTouch boards in the back. And I would have, it was like a giant computer screen essentially, iswhat it is. And so I would have my kids on Zoom, pulled up. And I had my desks for my studentsturn to the back of the room. And by camera at the very back of the room. So I could see mykids on Zoom and my kids in front of me at the same time. Oh my god. So having to manageworking with students virtually online, manage like a chat room that's going on on Zoom. Andthen Manage students in the classroom and trying to give one on one attention to thosestudents in both realms. was incredibly difficult. And there were a lot of districts that even wenton strike because they were like, This is not manageable.Lance Foulis 44:47Right. The teacher sounds like you're doing three jobs. At the same time.Shelby 44:50It was really really hard to do both and but we gave you know, we had to give the kids theoption. They have to get an education and a lot of people it's they still weren't comfortablecoming back into the building. Yeah. And then to do all of that fully masked right now. And itwas it was,Lance Foulis 45:09you guys have the most challenging conditions between peopleShelby 45:12SSSSShelby 45:12know, they had to be every other desk. Sure, at least. And, you know, maintaining six feet, allthat kind of stuff. So it was really, really difficult. It was hard, it was hard for the kids, it washard for usLance Foulis 45:27what's really gonna say what have you? What do you feel like you've noticed the psychologicalimpact on that age group going through COVID.Shelby 45:35It's significant, the psychological and educational. So part of it was that I taught to blackscreens 90% of the time, because they would not turn their camera on. It was hard. You know, Iwould just see their little name. So there were kids that came back to school this year. Andthey're like, Hey, Miss Smith.Lance Foulis 45:54You're like, I don't know who you are, who you are.Shelby 45:57I am so and so. And I'm like, oh, that's what you look like. Wow. So I mean, it was crazy. Themcoming back this year, and, and getting to see who they are. But I couldn't tell if they wereasleep. Yeah, you know, I would have to yell their name a couple of times before they mightrespond in the chat.Lance Foulis 46:13Yeah. But oh, in the chat, so not even in microphone very rarely.Shelby 46:18Very rarely would they?Lance Foulis 46:20Just that just sounds like morale in the gutter.Shelby 46:23Mm hmm. It was it was. It was really hard for them. Because it's a lot of a lot of selfSSSSSMm hmm. It was it was. It was really hard for them. Because it's a lot of a lot of selfmanagement and personal responsibility that they have to take and waking themselves up andgetting themselves to their zoom class and, you know, not having their favorite Netflix show or,you know, there would kids be kids that I could hear when they would unmute themselvesevery once in a while I would hear their video games and the clickety clack. No.Lance Foulis 46:52It actually hear the audio of the video game. Yeah. Would you would you hear the the thecontroller noises?Shelby 46:57Yep. Oh, wow. Yep. And then I would have kids that were really funny. And they would say, I'llbe right back. I'm gonna go cook some eggs.Lance Foulis 47:04Well, hot in the middle of class, middle class. No, I just I mean, like, I can't picture. It's been along time since I've been in high school. I can't. And I was homeschooled. So it was a you hadto do things like on your own, like self initiative and everything. But I, I can't imagine just beingtold Yeah, you're not allowed to come back to school, and then being home every day,especially if you're like in your room or something. So then you spend the whole night in yourroom, then you spend the whole day going to school in your room. And then,Shelby 47:35so I really tried tried to encourage my students to find a different place in their house. Thatwasn't their bed. Yeah. Because when I am in my bed, I want to nap. Yes. Like, my bed is forsleeping. Yes. So a lot of them have that same mentality. So they would wake up at eighto'clock in the morning and join my class, and then I would hear them snoring. Oh, my God, theyjust wouldn't be there. Yeah, at all. Yeah. Or it would come the end of class. And it would betime for them to switch and login to their next class. And they would still be lingering on myscreen because they were asleep and hadn't so then I would have to like, kick them off. Yeah.So it was really hard. It was hard for us to encourage the kids and to inspire the kids and tokeep, you know, on track with them. But there was this, like, social emotional drainage thathappened with them, it just they need to be with each other. They need that social aspect, thatinteraction, right, and they weren't getting it. And it was really, really hard. So we came in thisyear, knowing that we had a deficit of learning to fill, no doubt early on.Lance Foulis 48:37So like, what's the situation now in the schools? Are you still like is it still hybrid is it still masks.SSShelby 48:45So at the beginning of the year, we gave students an option to do a Virtual Academy, whichwas essentially they would be all online, but that would be managed by a separate group. So Iwas only responsible for the kids that were in my classroom got it. However, if there were kidswho weren't doing what they were supposed to and keeping up and you know, after the firstquarter, they were failing, that kind of stuff, then they were removed from the virtual optionand brought back into the building. Got it. So we don't have very many, if any, that are still inthat virtual option. I mean, it's a very small percentage, a lot smaller than it was at thebeginning of the year. Got it. And so we've had full class, full class sizes. And then just this pastweek, we removed the mask mandate, which I'm actually surprised. Yeah, I'm surprised thatthe number of kids who are still wearing masks, I'm also surprised at the number of kids whoare wearing masks like as a chin strap.Lance Foulis 49:42Yeah, right.Shelby 49:43It's like, like, what's the point of that? There's just no point. They're like, well, it's in casesomebody like starts coughing. It's already too late dude.Lance Foulis 49:49So is it is it is it a yes. Is it a situation where they're not mandated anymore? But the kids arestill concerned. And or maybe the family answer could be probably both. It just depends. Yeah.Shelby 50:04I think it's interesting. The ones who just like wear it, you know, as an accent, accessory now?Lance Foulis 50:11Well, I mean, I'm, I'm curious about that too, because at this point, you have people that havebeen doing it for two years at the age levels that they've been doing it and like it. How muchhas the mask? And things like the mask social distancing just become a part of right. Andbecause,Shelby 50:29well, I have found during the day, right or doing it when I went the first day that we wentwithout mask, which was I think, last Monday, kids started coming in my room, and Iimmediately thought, oh, my gosh, where's my mask? You know? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And thenSSSSI thought, Oh, I don't have to have it. Yeah. And so there, you know, it was it's mental. And still,I mean, a week later, I'm still like, like,Lance Foulis 50:51a type of conditioning that almost. Yeah, so even now, like a week later, like, it's still thoughtyou'll Oh, wait. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, gosh, yeah. I just said. I mean, I'm just I'm just picturing it. Ican't imagine being 17 years old and like,Shelby 51:09wearing a mask be what your learning experience has been for the last two years?Lance Foulis 51:13Or, I mean, I feel real bad. I think my niece was in this one of my nieces was in this boat senioryear is when it all went down. No graduation.Shelby 51:20Nope. No prom. No prom. Yeah, that means something. That class of 2020. Really, really took ithard. Yeah. And I had a lot of students that were, you know, crying to me on during classes.This isn't fair. Why did this have to happen to us?Lance Foulis 51:39Yeah, like that's, I mean, how could you not think that like every class before us has been ableto do everything in now my class doesn't? For some people, that's a really significant deal. Oh,yeah.Shelby 51:50Because we did have a virtual graduation that they could attend. It was like a drive thru. Sothere, you couldn't have anybody there. But you could show up. You grabbed your diploma. Youtook a picture and it was all live streamed. Yeah, your family could watch you walk across thefake stage.Lance Foulis 52:05You have this idea of what this event is going to be like, and you earned it. Like you spent fouryears doing work and there I can just picture like certain kids that I knew that did really good inschool, and that was like they worked at it. Oh, yeah. And they got good grades and everything.It's like I I did it I accomplished it. I'm going to go walk armor. I always homeschooled so I didn'tSSSdo this whole walking thing. But all my friends went to Dublin sewed or Kilburn. So I went to alltheir stuff. And I just remember like, good gracious Dublin site. I think it was like four hours oflistening the name calls to get through the whole class, something like that. But yeah, there'sjust this, this thing about i i conquered this thing. Yeah. It's a huge accomplishment. Yes.Making it through high school. And then and then No, you don't graduate, even parties, rightgraduation parties. That was a huge event back in the day when you go to all your friendsgraduateShelby 53:00that point. I mean, you it was mandated that you could have not have more than 10 people inthe same time. So noLance Foulis 53:06graduation party. It's so that's so I'm, I'm I've said this on a few different podcasts. We've beentalking about this kind of stuff. But I'm really curious because I don't think we know the totalsocial impact or anything like that, for the generation that went through this, whether it's highschool or college, like just younger people in general elementary school, like what is theimpact? Because two years is a long time very long time at that age. So. So anyway, how muchnow that the mask mandate is gone? Do you feel like what percentage normal does it feel toyou?Shelby 53:41It feels like we're on our way back to a normal. I feels like the whole year that we've beenslowly working our way back to what we used to consider normal. You know, there are newthings in place now that are the new normal. But even that, like the new normal was like backin school, but with masks, so the oddball out was the person that like didn't have their mask onin the hallway. And then I would be asking, Hey, do you have mask? Mm hmm. And they go,yeah, it's right here. And they like put it on lately. And me, I'm always, always the bearer of badnews. You have to be transcon. Yeah, it's terrible. You're gonna have to learn to say I have toplay math. Yeah. So even you know, that shift now has kind of thrown a wrench in things wherewe're just kind of like I tried. I'm catching myself not telling students. Do you have a mathcourse this right. It's crazy. Wild, but it is it's becoming a new normal. And, you know, gettingback to some semblance of what we were before and that's really refreshing. I think, for a lot ofour students. Oh, yeah.Lance Foulis 54:42When's graduation this year? This year? It's the end of May into May. Okay. All right. Yeah. SoShelby 54:47last year, we had it but it was outside. It was beautiful day. I think people felt a lot morecomfortable being outside versus being in a confined space. So that was really nice. YouSSScomfortable being outside versus being in a confined space. So that was really nice. YouLance Foulis 55:01Okay, last couple questions here. I would love to know if you could sit down with your 23 yearold self that's been working where we worked for a year, what advice would you give yourself?Because there's not gonna be you know, there's people in your position, or years to school fouror five years to school to study a thing, they got the job to realize it's not what they want to do.Yes. What would you say to yourself?Shelby 55:26I would say, first of all, I would tell myself, it's okay. Hmm. It's okay, that you're not, you're notgood at this thing. Or it's okay, that this isn't what's working out for you. That's okay. Because Ithink for me, it was really hard to get to that point to know that it was it was alright. And itwould be okay. Yeah. One, I would say that there is something out there that you are meantfor, you know, that is better suited for you. And it's not, there's no point in being miserable. Oh,gosh, you know, what I've learned is that life is supposed to be happy. And if it's not, then thereare things that can change to make it happier for you. And so it takes a lot of personalreflection, and taking a deep look inward to see what is the problem? Is it the job? Is it me? Is ityou know, who I'm with? romantically? Is it, you know, that I'm allowing toxic people to be apart of my life? What is the problem? And whatever that is, it can be fixed. You know, I think arefreshing thought for me when I was in that role was I had to remind myself, this isn't the endof the world. Yeah, you know, and a lot of times in those roles because there was a lot ofmoney riding on some of the programs we were working on and some of the clients that wewere working with, it felt like it was the end of the worldLance Foulis 56:54felt like you were executing brain surgery on some really make it and then you're like, nope,Shelby 57:00right. So what I will tell you, I mean, if you are a brain surgeon or a you know cardiothoracicsurgeon then yes, it is a life or death situation. In my role. It was not it was a making it out tobe and so I needed to realize that it's a job. Yeah. And life should be so much more than a job.Now as an educator, that's a huge part of my life, and a huge part of my life that I love.Because I love working with my kids. I love building relationships with them. I love having oneon one talks where they can come to me and and cry or laugh or joke around or you know, Iused to dance down the aisle ways that at our building and I dance in my classroom just aboutevery day I will put on 90s music and we will jam out why we're doing essay revision.Lance Foulis 57:47What's your favorite song to do this to? Oh,SSShelby 57:49I mean anything Whitney Houston 90s r&b? Can anybodyLance Foulis 57:56give me an example of 90s? r&b That's not my genre.Shelby 57:59Why? Oh, it's not what? I don't know. You guys metalLance Foulis 58:03was my John. Oh, dear.Shelby 58:06That's what eyes. Yeah, I mean, you have Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey.Lance Foulis 58:14Oh, Mariah Carey. Got it.Shelby 58:16You got Bell Biv DeVoe. You got color me badd? All for one? Boys to Men? Shout out to boys. Tome. It looks like you too. Oh, yeah. You know, I had a couple. But like 90s, early 2000s wasyeah, my general feeling. Yes. So my kids are always trying to get me like up on the latest law?Or does something. You know, they're like, Have you heard of the baby? And I'm like, Who?Lance Foulis 58:42Now? Is this on a compact disk to still have a CD collection?Shelby 58:45No, this is like Pandora or Spotify. So yeah, but all jam out my classroom to my kids and justcreating a space where we can have fun. And I like to take what I've learned in terms of how Iconsider what I that I didn't make it or couldn't make it work at my corporate job. Yeah, I like to,SSSSSI'm very open with my students about that. And that it's okay to fail as long as you try to failforward. Yeah, so that's a big buzzword in my classroom is that we try and fail forward, youmay have failed this essay. But let's look at how we can revise it to make it better. Or let's takewhat we've learned from this and move it to the next. The next thing, you're not always gonnaget a win at everything. Even those people who look like they're winning all the time, becausethey failed a lot. It's because they failed a lot. Yeah. Or they're failing and they're just nothighlighting that on Instagram. Yeah, absolutely. You know, this day and social media,everything is, you know, I get to pick and choose what I want people to see. And that can bevery deceiving. Yes, and dangerous and dangerous. So you know, making sure that theyunderstand that everyone has pitfalls. And it's what you do with that. That's most important.How do you fail forward? How do you move on from this to make yourself better?Lance Foulis 59:56And I love that. Yeah, I mean, the Falling failing forward. That's so key, I always such a, I can'tfail. I've got a, I've got to get this thing done. It's like what you're describing is a lot of like whatI went through when I was in aviation school at at OSU when it came to the point where I wasn'tgoing to do it anymore. And I knew it was incredibly devastating. And I did not go throughprobably the next 10 years very gracefully. Because I that was my identity up to that point.Yeah,Shelby 1:00:26I actually used you as an example in my class the other day, you did I did, we were talkingabout, you know, picking colleges and under, you know, figuring out what you wanted to do ifcollege was the right thing, or what major it was it you know, all that kind of stuff. And studentswere asking me questions like, well, if I go in as a business major, but I decide that's not what Iwant to do. Do I have to stick with that? No, right? We talked about all those things. This is yourtime to figure it out. And I said, that doesn't end after college. Right. So I said for me, you know,I worked five years in a genre or a thank you, industry that I wasn't cut out for. And it took mefive years to figure out this is not where I belong. And then I figured it out. And I'm so muchhappier. And you're okay. And I'm okay. And I said and you know, I have this friend that Iworked with in marketing, and he went to school for aviation. And yeah, I said, and then, youknow, I'm pretty sure right about the time you graduated, was 2000 1am i 911. Yeah, it wasLance Foulis 1:01:23that was so I 11 happened probably a year before I went into flight school. Okay, so I was alllike, I can still do this. I'll be fine. It'll be it'll be fine. We'll bounce back. I can go into debt foraviation. I'm going to be a pilot. Yeah, matter what,Shelby 1:01:39right? Oh, well, it'll all work out. Oh, I didn't know. And that's okay.SSLance Foulis 1:01:46And boy, did I need somebody like you to be like, it's okay. Here's how you can fail for x. I didn'treallyShelby 1:01:53well. And I said what we had people who were in our wasn't Starla like a English major orsomething. Did she? I didn't know what she did. I want to say somebody else in that row waslike English education or just like an English major. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And was working inmarketing, you know? Yeah. So I said, just because you picked a path. Right now, when you're2122 years old, and you have no idea what you want in life. Yeah. Doesn't mean that's whatyou have to stick towards. So you were one of my examples as well. That'sLance Foulis 1:02:22awesome. I'm glad I could be and we saw how successful you are. Oh, thank you. I kind of Yes, Imade it. Appr