Peter & Phil's Courageous Conversations

Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phil Nelson engage with Dr. Kemba Marshall and Dr. Mia Cary to discuss the significance of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in veterinary medicine. They explore the journey of writing a DEI-focused book, the importance of kindness in veterinary practice, and the broader societal impacts on the profession. The conversation emphasizes the need for understanding and action in the face of challenges, highlighting the role of community and collaboration in fostering positive change.

In this episode of Courageous Conversations, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson engage with Dr. Kemba Marshall and Dr. Mia Carey, two influential figures in the veterinary profession. They discuss their early experiences in veterinary medicine, the importance of diversity and inclusion, the value of building connections within the community, and how to navigate challenges while maintaining a positive outlook. The conversation emphasizes the journey of personal growth and the significance of mentorship in shaping their careers. Join us for another Courageous Conversation.

In this episode Peter & Phil discuss the current economic uncertainty. They explore the implications of presidential power and decision-making, emphasizing the need for transparency and democratic processes. The conversation highlights the importance of grassroots engagement and the necessity of courageous conversations to address pressing societal issues. Please join us for another Courageous Conversation.

In this conversation, Peter & Phil discuss the importance of accountability and honesty in communication, particularly in leadership roles. They share personal anecdotes about mistakes made in professional settings and explore the implications of these mistakes on relationships and trust. The discussion also delves into the political landscape, examining how deflection and lack of accountability can undermine integrity in leadership. Join us for another great conversation!

In this episode, Peter and Phil discuss the implications of government policies on the veterinary profession and public health. They explore the impact of funding cuts on research, the importance of maintaining trust in government, and the need for civic engagement to uphold democratic processes. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of political decisions and their effects on healthcare and society at large. Join us for another Courageous Conversation.

Peter & Phil discuss pressing national issues, expressing concerns about the current leadership and governance in the United States. They explore the implications of executive actions, the erosion of democratic processes, and the psychological impact of government policies on citizens. The conversation emphasizes the importance of civic responsibility and the unintended consequences of government actions on society. Please join us for another Courageous Conversation.

In this episode, we discuss the implications of the first month of President Trump's presidency and reflect on the reactions from the public, feelings of anxiety, and the broader concerns regarding leadership and governance. The conversation delves into the blame game prevalent in politics, the polarization of opinions, and the impact of natural disasters on communities. We welcome you to engage in courageous conversations of your own.

This episode of Courageous Conversations, Peter & Phil discuss the implications of the first ten days of President Trump's presidency. They reflect on the reactions from the public, their personal feelings of anxiety and disappointment, and the broader concerns regarding leadership and governance. Join us!

We finish last episode's conversation with this part 2 as Peter & Phil reflect on the legacy of Jimmy Carter. This week Peter & Phil focus on his post-presidential humanitarian efforts, commitment to human rights, and the impact of his leadership. The hosts discuss his involvement with Habitat for Humanity, and his diplomatic efforts through the Carter Center, and emphasize the need to honor Carter's contributions and encourage listeners to adopt a humanitarian perspective in their own lives. Please join us!

Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Philip Nelson reflect on the life and presidency of Jimmy Carter. They discuss the context of the 1976 election, Carter's key achievements, and his challenges during his presidency, including the Iran hostage crisis. The conversation also touches on the significant changes in the political landscape since Carter's time, his contributions post-presidency, and the lessons that can be learned from Carter's approach to negotiation and humanitarian efforts. Join us for this courageous conversation.

Peter & Phil delve into the critical issues surrounding diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) within the veterinary profession. They discuss the backlash against diversity efforts, generational perspectives on these issues, and the importance of education and awareness in fostering a more inclusive environment. The conversation emphasizes the natural significance of diversity and the need for open dialogue to bridge gaps and build understanding among different demographics.

With the holidays coming up, there will be a ton of get-togethers. Peter & Phil reflect on discussing gratitude for family, and friends, and the ability to communicate openly. They emphasize the importance of understanding differing perspectives, the value of democracy, and the challenges surrounding voting. The conversation highlights the need for kindness and community support, especially during uncertain times, and encourages listeners to express gratitude daily. Join us for another gratifying episode! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

In this conversation, Dr. Peter Weinstein, Dr. Phillip Nelson, and Stacey Pursell delve into the significance of emotional intelligence (EQ) in the veterinary profession. They discuss the varying levels of EQ among veterinarians, the importance of feedback, and the necessity of strong communication skills. The conversation also touches on the current workforce challenges in veterinary medicine, the potential impact of new veterinary schools, and the controversial idea of mid-level practitioners.  Join us for another courageous conversation. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Philip Nelson welcome Stacy Pursell, founder of The Vet Recruiter. They discuss Stacey's journey into veterinary recruiting, the impact of news on mental health, and the importance of civility and respect in today's polarized society. The conversation also touches on emotional intelligence and the challenges of engaging with introverted professionals in the veterinary field. Join us for another courageous conversation! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Philip Nelson discuss the upcoming election, the current political climate, and the impact of race and religion on politics. They reflect on the discomfort surrounding the election, the divisive rhetoric in political discourse, and the role of science in shaping public opinion. The conversation also touches on the historical context of the Electoral College, the evolution of political campaigns, and the importance of civic engagement. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

In this conversation, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson explore the multifaceted nature of change, discussing its necessity for progress, the fear it often instills, and its implications in political contexts. They emphasize the importance of courageous conversations in navigating change and the need for adaptability in both personal and societal realms. Join us! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Nelson discuss the implications of the upcoming election, focusing on the 'Hillary Clinton effect' and the challenges faced by female candidates in a predominantly male political landscape. They explore the intersections of sexism and racism, the role of media in shaping political narratives, and the historical context of female leadership in politics. The conversation emphasizes the need for a shift towards recognizing qualifications over gender and calls for a broader discussion on these critical issues. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

In this episode of Courageous Conversations, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Philip Nelson explore the definition of democracy, the historical context of political parties, and the importance of trust and verification in modern society. The conversation highlights the challenges of civic engagement and the need for informed discussions about democracy and trust. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

This week's conversation revolves around the discomfort and concern about the current state of the country, political attacks, and the fast-paced news cycle. Peter & Phil discuss the need for courageous conversations and the importance of separating fact from fiction. They also touch on the role of governmental agencies in protecting politicians and the challenges of navigating social media and biased news sources. Join this week's conversation then have one of your own to help knit the nation back together! Join us. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

This week Peter & Phil touch on the importance of civil discourse, the challenges of keeping up with current events, and their disappointment with recent Supreme Court decisions. They explore the need for a less politicized Supreme Court, the importance of civics education, and changing the ratification process for justices and implementing term limits. Join us for another great conversation and tell us what you think! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

This week, Peter & Phil discuss the current political climate and the comments made by former President Donald Trump about Kamala Harris's ethnicity. They explore the issue of race and identity, the impact of Trump's rhetoric on the political discourse, and the challenges facing Kamala Harris as a presidential candidate. The conversation concludes with a discussion about the future of democracy and the need for informed and courageous conversations. Join us for another great conversation! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

With the Olympics coming to an end in France soon, Peter & Phil discuss how much they've enjoyed the distraction. The conversation explores the history of the Olympics, the dedication and sacrifice of athletes, and the importance of finding distractions and focusing on mental health. Join us this week for a discussion that deviates from the norm (but not too much, of course!) and let us know what you've personally enjoyed about the recent Olympic games! Olympics, sports, competition, politics, distractions, mental health --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

Peter & Phil explore the current state of veterinary education and the shortage of teachers in both basic and clinical sciences. They also discuss the importance of integrating cognitive and clinical development in veterinary education and the value of experience in teaching, the need for change in recruitment, and the inclusion of retired practitioners and industry professionals as educators. Join us as they highlight the importance of education in the veterinary profession and the need for innovative approaches to meet future demands! veterinary education, veterinary medical educators, shortage of teachers, basic sciences, clinical sciences, cognitive development, clinical development, integration, experience, recruitment, retired practitioners, industry professionals, innovative approaches --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

This week, we finish our conversation with Dr. Jules Benson & Dr. Emily Tincher and explore the challenges and opportunities in the veterinary profession, particularly in the delivery of healthcare. Our special guests discuss the need for systemic change and collaboration among various stakeholders. They emphasize the importance of addressing the diverse needs of pet owners and finding alternative models of care. The conversation also highlights the role of communication and education in creating awareness and understanding among veterinarians. Help us advocate for a collaborative approach to solving these complex issues in the veterinary profession and join this week's conversation. veterinary profession, healthcare delivery, systemic change, collaboration, diverse needs, alternative models of care, communication, education --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

In this episode of Courageous Conversations, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson are joined by Dr. Jules Benson and Dr. Emily Tincher from Nationwide. They discuss the concept of a spectrum of care and its importance in veterinary medicine. The spectrum of care involves meeting the needs of pet families with a range of options from basic to advanced, considering their goals, values, and resources. The conversation explores the challenges and benefits of practicing spectrum of care, including the need for non-judgmental communication and the potential for increased efficiency and revenue. The episode also discusses the importance of team-based healthcare and the shift towards a client-centric business model. Please join us for another amazing episode with two brilliant guests! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

The conversation explores the role of higher education in civil disobedience and the recent protests on university campuses regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In this episode, Peter & Phil discuss the importance of understanding the history and context of the issue, the impact of outside influences on protests, and the need for open and respectful dialogue. They also touch on the role of faculty and administration in supporting students and facilitating discussions. The conversation highlights the complexity of the issue and the importance of peaceful protest and non-violent communication. Join us for an insightful perspective! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

This conversation marks the fourth anniversary of the start of Peter & Phil's Courageous Conversations. Join us this week as they express gratitude for the support they have received and reflect on the importance of having open and honest conversations about race and societal issues. They also discuss the importance of listening and learning from different perspectives and the role of discussions in promoting peace and friendship. They acknowledge that their conversations may not always lead to solutions, but they are committed to challenging each other's beliefs and ignorance. Thank you for joining us for the last four years! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

This week Peter & Phil pick up last week's conversation with special guest Courtney Campbell. Please make sure to listen to Part 1 if you missed it. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

In this episode, we explore the power of collaboration with Dr. Courtney Campbell, a veterinarian whose journey from Connecticut to Southern California shaped his career and personal growth. Dr. Campbell shares his transformative experiences at Tuskegee University, his pivot from radiology to veterinary surgery, and the importance of finding one's passion. He discusses the therapeutic benefits of community involvement and his insights on learning from failures and embracing individuality provide valuable lessons on resilience and unity. It was a pleasure to have a modern-day hero on the show this week, and we ask that you tune in for another inspiring conversation! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

In this episode of Courageous Conversations, Dr. Phil Nelson and Dr. Peter Weinstein discuss the importance of history and the challenges of interpreting and understanding it. They explore the significance of Black History Month and Women's History Month, as well as the proliferation of different upcoming heritage months. The conversation delves into the complexities of history, the impact of storytelling, and the difficulty of separating fact from fiction in the digital age. They also emphasize the need for critical thinking, asking questions, and seeking multiple perspectives to gain a more accurate understanding of history. Join us for another great episode. Keywords: history, Black History Month, Women's History Month, heritage months, storytelling, fact vs fiction, digital age, critical thinking, multiple perspectives --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

This week's courageous conversation covers a range of topics, including the 2024 Super Bowl, Colin Kaepernick's protest, the impact of mean-spiritedness in society, and the importance of courageous conversations. Peter & Phil discuss the role of athletes in speaking out on social issues, the culture of meanness, and the erosion of democratic institutions. They emphasize the importance of voting and engaging in meaningful discussions to address societal challenges. Please join us for another courageous conversation. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

The conversation with Dr. Janet Donilon continues our conversation with various topics related to workforce issues in the veterinary profession. The chapters include discussions on the role of AVMA in accrediting new schools, the history and purpose of accreditation, the accreditation process and standards, provisional accreditation and ongoing compliance, the separation of motivation and accreditation, accreditation in a global context, considerations for adding new schools, the long-term impact of new schools on the workforce, challenges of building consistency in state practice acts, the importance of collaboration and communication in organized veterinary medicine, challenges of achieving uniformity in state practice acts, engaging the next generation and future leaders, the role of organized veterinary medicine in collaboration and communication, and the need for mentoring and leadership training. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

Join us for part 2 this week as we talk all things workforce - from the current squeeze on workers to how the pandemic's shaken things up! Dr. Donlin lays out why it's crucial to think ahead about who we'll need in the veterinary world down the line. Plus, we get into the hot debate over the vet shortage. She highlights how vet organizations and big regulatory and accrediting bodies play their parts and how to make the most of vet teams for the long haul. Dr. Donlin is all about teamwork and mixing up strategies to tackle these challenges and we're excited to have her back to continue our conversation with her! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

In this insightful installment join Dr. Peter Weinstein, Dr. Philip Nelson, and their esteemed guest, Dr. Janet Donlin, Executive Director of the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), as they delve into critical discussions surrounding the veterinary field. This episode covers a wide range of pivotal topics including the importance of diversity, equity, inclusion, the overall well-being of veterinary professionals, and the challenges facing the workforce today. Listen as Dr. Donlin recounts her unique journey into the world of veterinary science, highlighting the critical role of organized veterinary groups in molding the future of the profession. The conversation shines a light on the collective responsibility of professionals to foster change and cultivate a supportive and positive environment in veterinary workplaces. Join us! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peterandphil/support

Join us as we embark on a journey with Dr. Phil Nelson, who, after retiring from one academic institution, is now spearheading the establishment of the College of Veterinary Medicine at Chamberlain University. In this episode, we dive into the nuances and challenges of creating a new school from the ground up. Discover the critical importance of hands-on technical skills in the veterinary field and how the post-pandemic world opens doors for integrating advanced technology into education. Dr. Nelson shares his vision for making Chamberlain University a beacon of innovation and accessibility in veterinary training. Tune in to uncover the exciting prospects of new beginnings and transformative education in veterinary science! Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Appreciation 01:02 Dr. Nelson's New Role at Chamberlain University 02:25 Chamberlain University and its Background 03:21 Experience in the Veterinary Field 04:47 Collaboration and Sharing of Faculty 06:15 Implementing Recommendations from the Pew Study 07:44 Advancements in Technology and Innovation 09:34 The Role of Technology in Education 10:28 PBL and Distributive Model in Education 13:54 Lessons Learned from the Pandemic 15:19 The Importance of Hands-on Technical Skills 17:39 Potential Expansion to Credential Technician School 19:06 Anticipated Graduation of the First Class 21:03 Innovations and Brainstorms for Chamberlain University 23:21 Investment and Conclusion --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

In this conversation, Peter and Phil discuss the challenges of leadership in various contexts, including business, government, and universities. They express their concerns about the lack of trust and faith in many global leaders and the need for strong leadership. The importance of effective communication in leadership is emphasized, with a focus on explaining the 'why' behind decisions. The concept of the prism of leadership is introduced, highlighting the distortion of messages and the need for active involvement in interpreting and sending messages. Takeaways Strong leadership is foundational to success in various domains, including business, government, and universities. Effective communication is crucial in leadership, and leaders should explain the 'why' behind their decisions. Messages from leaders can be distorted or misunderstood, and it is important for followers to actively seek the truth and question the messages they receive. The current era presents challenges for leadership, and there is a need for better leaders and stronger communicators. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

Welcome back! In this season 4 opener, Peter & Phil return to discuss the ever-changing cost of veterinary care debate and the economic impact COVID had on veterinary practices. Peter provides an in-depth analysis of the current economic landscape in veterinary medicine, highlighting how the pandemic has led to slower business and increased prices. Shift in Operational Needs: The hosts discuss the evolving needs of veterinary practice staff, especially contrasting the expectations of the current workforce with those of the boomer generation. A notable focus is on the increased demand for family leave and other work-life balance measures. Consumer Response to Rising Costs: Phil leads a conversation on how pet owners are responding to the heightened costs of veterinary care, including instances of pushback and how practices are managing these challenges. Statistical Overview: Peter delves into relevant statistics that shed light on the trends and challenges faced by veterinary practices in the post-COVID era. Join us for all these talking points and more! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

In this year-end episode of Peter & Phil's Courageous Conversations, we're joined by special guest Tracy Dowdy for a discussion on Israel and Palestine. As the conversation unfolds, Peter steers the dialogue towards a topic that resonates with many during the holiday season: politics around the dinner table. Tracy shares her firsthand experiences from a visit to Israel and reflects on the intersections of Christianity and the region's geopolitical landscape. This episode is not just an exploration of international affairs but also a guide on handling politically charged conversations with family and friends during the holidays. It's a discussion filled with nuanced perspectives and courageous conversations that you won't want to miss. Join us for this enlightening episode that promises to close the year with new understandings. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

In part 2 of our chat, Tracy Dowdy is back, and this time we're really getting into it! We're diving headfirst into Critical Race Theory, chatting about what it means for schools and society as a whole. But that's not all – we're also taking a look at the nuclear family and how it's changing. Expect some fiery but always respectful conversations. If you're into trending topics, this episode's got your name on it!

Peter and Phil engage in a thought-provoking dialogue with special guest & veterinary consultant, Tracy Dowdy (who proudly identifies as a conservative Republican and devout Christian). This episode explores Tracy's upbringing and how her family values and faith have shaped her worldview.   In this episode, Peter and Phil have a respectful and candid discussion about Tracy's stances regarding critical race theory, religion, & vet medicine practices, allowing listeners to gain insights into differing perspectives. In addition, they all acknowledge the prevailing sentiment that controversial issues are often avoided in workplace conversations and the importance of challenging this norm.  Join us and see what happens when people are willing to engage in open and respectful conversations, even on divisive subjects.  It's an episode you won't want to miss! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

This week, join hosts Peter and Phil as they delve into the heart of Phil's recent journey back to his southern hometown in Mississippi. The trip takes an unexpected turn when Phil encounters the provocative rants of a local radio host, whose views on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) stir a deep discomfort. Phil challenges Peter's dismissal of the host as merely a profit-chaser, igniting a fiery debate between the two. Tune in for this raw and introspective session where no topic is off-limits and every conversation is a step towards understanding. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

Peter & Phil delve into a candid courageous conversation that bridges the personal with the global. Peter opens up about his Jewish upbringing, offering listeners an intimate glimpse into the customs and significance of the Sabbath. They also address the ongoing conflict in Israel, providing a nuanced overview of the recent escalations between Hamas and Israel, and the impact on both Israeli and Palestinian lives. Throughout the discussion, they strive for a balanced perspective, underscoring the human element that often gets lost in the political narrative. This episode does not shy away from complexity so join us for another courageous conversation! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

In this episode, Peter & Phil delve into the tumultuous events that unfolded in the House of Representatives last week, marked by a striking failure to elect a Speaker. Amidst the uncertainty, we discuss the various candidates who were in the running for the Speaker position and one party's unwillingness to vote. *This episode was recorded prior to the eventual vote on the Speaker, Mike Johnson of Louisiana - providing a real-time snapshot of the chaos and speculation swirling around Capitol Hill before Oct. 25, 2023. Tune in this week for a comprehensive analysis of one of the most dramatic moments in recent political history! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

After returning from their travels, Peter and Phil sit down to discuss the courageous conversations they've had independently. Their discussion leads them to Phil's encounter with someone from the far right, where he engages in a thought-provoking dialogue after his new friend argues that the Civil War wasn't necessary to end slavery. In recounting this interaction, listeners gain valuable insight into the complexities of discussing nuanced topics and bridging ideological gaps. Tune in and be inspired by the meaningful exchanges that can happen when we approach conversations with understanding and respect. Also, for a chance to share your perspective, visit us at ⁠www.peterandphil.com⁠ and become a guest on our show. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

From vinyl records to digital streaming - Peter & Phil discuss the impact music has had on their lives, both past, present, and future. Join us for another fun, courageous conversation! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

Peter & Phil continue their conversation with a very poignant question from Mark Cushing regarding discrimination. Tune in to listen to more of the conversation! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

In this interview, Peter and Phil interview Mark Cushing, JD, the Founder and CEO of the  Animal Policy Group, LLC., and discuss his growing up in the south, discrimination in the Catholic church, and America's skewed views on immigration. This is a conversation you definitely won't want to miss. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

Peter explains his fear that the United States may be moving backward with its government handing more power to each state. Phil corrects him by stating that America never moved as far as we thought to begin with and there is more work needed. Join us in this episode as they discuss politics and the "loud minority." --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support

Peter & Phil discuss how transgressions of yesterday have bled into a modern-day civil war. Join us for another courageous conversation! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ppcourageousconversation/support