Pro Football Talk Live with Mike Florio

(02:43) Cowboys EVP Stephen Jones: “I think next week as people finalize their boards and start to strategize, have their strategy sessions, that comes into play… Most of these trades happen as you're on the board. Players fall off that you wanted and then you're willing to come out.” (12:21) How high will Notre Dame RB Jeremiyah Love get drafted? (25:50) Report: Jets cancel pre-draft meeting with Texas Tech DE David Bailey (31:32) Panthers GM Dan Morgan: “We want guys that make plays. You know, whether it's a DB taking the ball away or it's a receiver, running back scoring touchdowns, we want guys that are going to come in here and be playmakers.” (35:18) TRIVIA: Only one team has drafted a wide receiver in the first round 3 three straight years. Name the team and the player (41:54) NFL begins to onboard potential replacement officials (46:54) Commanders unveil new uniformsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(15:37) Ravens GM Eric DeCosta: “Valuing different traits or qualities or different things in players really does create an opportunity for us to improve as a staff.” (21:30) Eric DeCosta: “ I like having 11 picks right now… We may end up with 14, or we may end up with six. It just depends on the board.” (35:19) Raiders GM John Spytek on teams calling about trading for #1 pick: “We’ve gotten a few calls, and those teams know where they stand right now.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Report: Negotiations between NYG, DT Dexter Lawrence "reach an impasse" (13:00) Giants GM Joe Schoen: “I’m not going to get into it if there’s a deadline or not." (25:21) Reporter Dianna Russini resigns from The Athletic (39:32) Cowboys Co-Owner Stephen Jones on potential WR George Pickens trade: "We've had no one call with interest" (51:38) Notre Dame HC Marcus Freeman on interest in NYG head coach job this offseason: “"That was the intriguing part. Knowing that you got one of the best players in the country… but I’m as happy as can be” (56:47) Steelers LB Patrick Queen on Aaron Rodgers’ return in 2026: “Is he gonna be back? I don't know…"I can and can't (imagine it), like it's 50-50.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(14:08) Eagles hold pre-draft press conference yesterday (15:30) Eagles GM Howie Roseman on QB Jalen Hurts: “ It’s unfair to have these articles written, but I understand it’s also what sells at this point.” (25:44) Howie Roseman: "What do you think the odds are that I'm answering this question any different than I've answered anywhere else? Like really, do you think that's 50%? Do you think that's 75%? A.J. Brown is an Eagle."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mike Florio breaks down the news that NFL reporter Dianna Russini has resigned from The Athletic, one week after the New York Post published photos of Russini with Patriots coach Mike Vrabel at a resort in Sedona, Arizona. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Happy 31st birthday, Baker Mayfield! (16:00) Where should Baker’s new deal rank among top QB salaries? (22:10) Lions hold pre-draft press conference (33:20) Simms’ 2026 Defensive Tackle Draft Ranks (40:53) Former Cardinals HC, Titans assistant Dave McGinnis passes away at 74 (45:07) Jaguars CB/WR Travis Hunter refutes report that he will primarily play CB this season See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(08:55) Patriots hold pre-draft press conference yesterday (11:00) Patriots GM/EVP Eliot Wolf on Vrabel’s draft involvement: “Very involved. Business as usual. He’s been in there with us, this round of meetings, probably a little more than he was last year.” (15:17) Eliot Wolf on interest in Eagles WR A.J. Brown: “As far as players on other teams, again gonna keep the door open to anything that we think may improve our roster.” (25:10) Drake Maye: "Everybody says, 'You'll be back.' It's not that easy. So, we've got to get back to work, and I'm looking forward to trying to prove to myself that I can get back and just have another year to get a chance at it." (43:30) Where would Maye/Brown rank among top QB/WR duos?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Report: Miami DE Rueben Bain Jr. involved in fatal car accident in 2024 (12:10) NFL wins appeal of collusion ruling from NFLPA grievance filing (27:35) 49ers HC Kyle Shanahan on 49ers game in Melbourne, Australia: “I'm going to do what our science tells us to do and try not to think about it all offseason… but I'll embrace it once it gets going” (29:00) Roger Goodell: “Coaches have a focus on winning… Coach Shanahan is enthusiastic and a great football coach, but also someone who truly understands the importance of expanding our game globally.” (34:30) Falcons exercise 5th year option on RB Bijan Robinson (39:10) Report: Cowboys owner Jerry Jones attended NFL/NFL Referees Association bargaining session last week See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(10:05) The Athletic is investigating reporter Dianna Russini after photos released with Patriots HC Mike Vrabel (1:01:30) Report: Patriots HC Mike Vrabel will not attend Patriots pre-draft press conferencesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Department of Justice investigating NFL for potential anticompetitive practice (09:38) Patriots HC Mike Vrabel and reporter Dianna Russini say photos of the two at an Arizona resort are misleading (34:12) Report: Texans exercise 5th year options on QB C.J. Stroud, DE Will Anderson (42:36) Jaguars GM James Gladstone on CB/WR Travis Hunter: “He’ll be, for all intents and purposes, a limited participant throughout the offseason program with eyes on return to play at full tick in training camp.” (43:48) Should Jaguars stick with Hunter playing both ways? (47:41) Giants OC Matt Nagy: “I know how much respect that Jaxson has for Patrick… but we've also made it clear, you have to be Jaxson Dart. He's going to do that." (52:48) 16 players invited to attend NFL Draft in Pittsburgh on April 23See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(14:36) Department of Justice investigating NFL for potential anticompetitive practicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Todd Monken on missing coaches’ photo at annual meeting: “You bet your a** it was disappointing” (13:15) Todd Monken on 1st team reps at Browns QB: "There's enough there [to like] all three" (19:09) Todd Monken: "Myles Garrett will be ready. I'm not worried about him" (29:38) Simms 2026 Draft CB Rankings; How many SEC players will be drafted in the top 10? (44:39) PFT Live Trivia: Who was the 1st SEC player drafted in 2006 (at #11)? (46:23) Simms 2026 Draft S RankingsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(29:58) Kirk Cousins: “The best player needs to play. If that's not me, I don't want to be out there” (42:12) Klint Kubiak on rookie QBs: "Ideally you don't want him to start from Day 1"See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

1:50 – Fernando Mendoza will not attend Draft 8:15 – NFL antitrust exemption under attack 15:40 – NFL’s next media deals 21:00 – The push for 18 games 23:35 – Mike Vrabel calls photos "laughable"See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Dolphins HC Jeff Hafley on Troy Aikman: “I think right now Troy has been a good sounding board.” (16:00) RB De’Von Achane did not report to first day of voluntary workouts (20:30) Jeff Hafley on QB Malik Willis: “Don’t change who you are. Don’t put any extra pressure on yourself. You’ve earned the right to be here and have this opportunity." (27:40) Jaguars HC Liam Coen on QB Trevor Lawrence: “There is so much room to continue to improve, and I think that’s what we’re excited about attacking.” (31:20) Take Your Pick: QBs poised to take a big jump in 2026 (46:30) Report: Falcons TE Kyle Pitts signs franchise tender, will report to team’s voluntary offseason workouts (52:56) Report: Tom Brady was at Raiders facility for first day of voluntary offseason workouts (1:01:13) Australian fans frustrated by high prices, lack of access to tickets for 1st NFL gameSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(13:22) Giants begin voluntary offseason workouts without DT Dexter Lawrence (15:37) Giants HC John Harbaugh: “We want Dexter here, I believe Dexter wants to be here. That’s a good formula, but there’s business involved.” (33:06) John Harbaugh: “I’m thinking about getting (Kayvon Thibodeaux) plugged into our defense and getting him rolling. You want to talk about is he a trade possibility? Everybody’s tradable. Everybody.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Ravens OC Declan Doyle: “If you want to say that you’re going to win a championship… those are your goals and your expectations — certainly that’s going to take work.” (02:20) Ravens QB Lamar Jackson reports for first day of voluntary workouts (22:34) Buccaneers QB Baker Mayfield: Entering final year of 3-year, $100M contract extension (30:40) Lavonte David: “"I'm telling you, Baker was going through a lot. Baker had a lot of injuries that you didn't expect a quarterback to play through.” (41:18) Chiefs acquired QB Justin Fields via trade with Jets (50:25) Former Colts QB Andrew Luck refutes former teammate's claim that GM Chris Ballard influenced his decision to retire (55:32) Vikings will not begin GM search until after NFL DraftSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Report: Giants DT Dexter Lawrence requests trade, will not attend offseason workout programSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Report: Dysfunction within Eagles organization focused on QB Jalen Hurts (15:24) Jeff McLane: “The only way to get to him [Hurts] is through the media or social media or those of us reporting on the team. And that’s what’s happening now.” (17:50) Lavonte David: “Jalen Hurts was never a guy we were worried about.” (26:35) Jaguars, DE Travon Walker agree to 4 year, $110M contract (37:00) Raiders will sign QB Kirk Cousins (39:00) Who starts Week 1 for Raiders: Kirk Cousins or Fernando Mendoza? (47:00) Chiefs WR Rashee Rice will not face discipline for violating NFL’s Personal Conduct Policy over domestic violence allegations (50:30) Rice is scheduled to go to trial for 2024 street-racing incident in June (51:34) NFL denies Bears’ appeal for compensatory picksSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(11:46) Troy Aikman on role with Dolphins: “I’ll continue to help in ways that are yet to be defined.” (18:36) Troy Aikman: “I think all franchise quarterbacks…I think we all come out of the game thinking that we could run a team." (24:30) Troy Aikman: “I will say I’m pulling for the Dolphins… because now I have something at stake.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(04:30) Report: Indiana QB Fernando Mendoza will visit Raiders next week (11:00) Mark Davis: “We've had that position before, and it didn't work out. So there's no magic bullet there, but it's a great opportunity to get a great player.” (15:26) Packers HC Matt LaFleur: “If I’m being honest about it, I think there were some guys that were upset about roles last year, and I think that took a toll on our football team.” (27:00) Which NFC North head coach is under the most pressure in 2026? (34:00) NFL offers guaranteed training fees to potential replacement referees (39:30) Collective Bargaining Agreement between NFL, NFLRA expires on May 31 (41:15) NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell says Rooney Rule will remain (49:37) Falcons unveil new uniforms for 2026 seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(14:51) Raiders will sign QB Kirk Cousins (26:45) Rams, Cardinals were interested in signing Cousins as a backup QB (28:30) Who starts Week 1 for Raiders: Cousins or Mendoza? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Rams WR Puka Nacua entered rehab in March (09:25) New report peels back the curtain on Eagles’ dysfunction (14:00) Is Jalen Hurts to be blamed for Eagles dysfunction? (23:51) Roger Goodell: Our No. 1 objective is to improve officiating (28:30) NFLPA, NFLRA executive directors met on Tuesday (34:17) Simms 2026 NFL Draft Edge Rusher Rankings (43:12) Kyle Shanahan: Rams lobbied to move home game against 49ers to Australia (48:34) Bears stadium decision expected by “late spring, early summer” (52:19) Bears have pending appeal on Ian Cunningham draft-pick decisionSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(16:26) Broncos emerge as a potential option for Aaron Rodgers (43:18) Art Rooney II expects to know whether Aaron Rodgers will return “before the draft”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(4:10) Are Broncos interested in Aaron Rodgers? (16:00) Roger Goodell: The Rooney Rule isn’t going anywhere (22:15) When will NFL move to 18 games? (29:15) Jerry Jones tries to get George Pickens to ditch his agent (33:25) Former official sues NFLSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(0:30) Cowboys EVP Stephen Jones talks about George Pickens contract (19:00) Seattle Seahawks on 2026 Hard Knocks and Patriots on for 2027 (27:00) NFL launching the Pro Flag Football League (31:30) Ravens President Sashi Brown on Max Crosby Trade (44:56) Competition Committee approves rule changes (54:40) NFL Owners expand behavioral and mental health services See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(0:30) NFL Head Coach Group Photo (6:15) Rooney Rule and Falcons GM Ian Cunningham: "Work needs to be done." (21:20) NFL Announces Super Bowl LXVIII will be in Las Vegas (32:00) Colts Owner Carlie Irsay-Gordon and Patriots Owner Robert Kraft affirm support for an 18-game season (37:09) NFL looks to exempt Friday Games from its limit of two "Short Weeks."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Browns withdrew proposal to trade picks 5 years out (08:00) Florida attorney general “demands” the NFL suspend the Rooney Rule (09:15) Steelers owner Art Rooney II on Rooney Rule: “The environment has changed” (20:52) Florida AG gives NFL until May 1 to no longer enforce Rooney Rule (22:45) Browns GM Andrew Berry: “Myles is a career Brown. He is one of the faces of our organization. I think we’ve been very clear both past and present in terms our feelings” (35:55) Eagles and Patriots will hold joint practice during training camp (38:31) 49ers conduct tests around electrical substation near Levi’s Stadium and practice facility (41:00) 49ers HC Kyle Shahanan: Hopefully they can get something for WR Brandon AiyukSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:52) NFL Owners Meetings begin in Phoenix (04:47) Sean McVay: I’d love to have Kirk Cousins if things don’t work out with Jimmy Garoppolo (12:10) Report: NFL plans to start hiring replacement officials in May if unable to reach new contract with referees union (28:00) NFL Referees Association accuses NFL of spreading “false and misleading” information regarding negotiations (35:35) Eagles GM Howie Roseman on WR A.J. Brown trade talks: “A.J. Brown is a member of the Eagles.” (42:37) Falcons President Matt Ryan joins the showSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Jaxon Smith-Njigba: "The only thing better than one Super Bowl is two. So just working to get there, whatever my team needs from me, I make sure I get it done.” (04:40) Seahawks HC Mike Macdonald on Smith-Njigba: “He's a foundational piece, he's a cornerstone of our team.” (13:16) Bills are early favorites to win AFC East (20:10) Florida attorney general “demands” the NFL suspend the Rooney Rule (42:18) NBA Commissioner Adam Silver on tanking: “We are going to fix it - full stop.” (48:05) Basketball Hall of Famer George Gervin challenging Bears QB Caleb Williams copyright claim of "Iceman"See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(11:30) Tom Brady on the idea of coming out of retirement: “I actually have inquired, and they don’t like that idea very much.” (16:30) NFL rules would require Brady to sell his stake in the team before he could become an active playerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) CBA talks between NFL & NFLRA hit standstill (08:50) NFL EVP Jeff Miller: "We want the best officials on the field and we want greater accountability, greater performance” (17:30) NFL Referees Association accuses league of sending empty suits to negotiations (21:43) 97.1 radio host Mike Valenti: “Someone who covers the team told me that this was the first offseason there are definite differences of opinions in roster construction between Dan and Brad.” (24:30) Brad Holmes says he and Dan Campbell are in “total lockstep” on offseason plan (33:00) Simms 2026 NFL Draft LB ranks (49:30) Seahawks to kick off 2026 season on Wednesday, September 9; 49ers-Rams to face off Thursday, September 10 in Melbourne (52:20) Report: Owners expected to approve Las Vegas to host Super Bowl LXIII (52:55) Patrick Mahomes posts throwing video 3 months after torn ACL and LCL in left kneeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:51) Joe Flacco returns to the Bengals on one-year deal (35:30) Who had the better playing career - Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan? (39:42) Joe Flacco on not being signed to a starting job: “Teams are dumb for not having me be that guy”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Report: Ravens were concerned about a “degenerative issue” in Maxx Crosby’s knee (08:20) Report: Cowboys made 3 different offers for Maxx Crosby (10:25) Report: Teams continue to call Raiders regarding Crosby availability via trade (14:35) Competition committee proposes expanded league officials’ assistance in case of NFLRA work stoppage (23:06) 3 of the proposed rule changes deal with kickoffs (33:27) NFLPA Executive Director JC Tretter gives first interview since being elected (47:33) Report: Rams WR Puka Nacua accused of biting a woman multiple timesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(06:53) Tua Tagovailoa: “Last year was not the best year for me, I'm looking for a fresh start. I think the best football is still ahead of me." (13:17) Tua Tagovailoa: "You can never foreshadow what the future is going to look like... I went through all the protocol & everything came out good." (28:56) Tua Tagovailoa on Falcons offense: “You’ve got a good line, you’ve got Kyle Pitts, you’ve got Bijan Robinson, you’ve got Drake London. I’m excited to be able to use those weapons.” (41:54) Falcons sign RB Brian Robinson Jr. to 1 year dealSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Mike McCarthy on Aaron Rodgers: “It’s really cool to see Aaron at 42, a young man at 22 with all that he's accomplished…. I think he’s in a really good place.” (10:00) Michael Pittman Jr.: “I think that he wants to play. Just knowing Aaron prior to this, I just think he's gonna try and play as long as he can." (19:56) Simms’ 2026 Draft WR Rankings (34:22) Lions RB Jahmyr Gibbs early favorite to win Offensive Player of the Year (39:38) TRIVIA: 2 players have won AP OPOY in back to back seasons. Both players actually did it 3 times in a row… Name them (42:17) Senate introduces bipartisan bill that would ban sports betting on prediction markets (50:55) Patriots release QB Joshua Dobbs; QB Tommy DeVito becomes backup to Drake MayeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:39) Seahawks, WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba agree to 4-year, $168.6M extension (26:00) What does Smith-Njigba’s new deal mean for WR George Pickens and WR Puka Nacua? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Tom Brady on being more involved with Raiders in 2026 (20:46) Giants RB Cam Skattebo apologizes for his comments about CTE and asthma (32:23) Giants EDGE Abdul Carter switches jersey number to 3 (35:13) Ravens have highest betting win total (11.5) according to DraftKings (38:12) Ravens 2026 non division opponents (40:07) Chiefs 2026 non division opponents (47:35) 49ers decline to exercise $10m option on LT Trent Williams contract (48:55) Seahawks exercise 5th year options on WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba and CB Devon Witherspoon (54:54) Report: Giants valuation is $10.8B based on proposed transfer of equity held by Steve TischSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(05:09) Team USA dominates pair of teams with NFL stars in flag football exhibition (29:03) Joe Burrow: “I’ve always wanted to play in the Olympics. I’ve never necessarily played an Olympic sport before, so when this got announced, I was pretty excited about it.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Vikings sign QB Carson Wentz to 1-year deal (29:41) Patriots follow up record 2025 Free Agent spending spree with active 2026 (35:40) Should Patriots trade for Eagles WR A.J. Brown? (42:11) Drew Rosenhaus says WR Tyreek Hill is on track to be healthy by start of 2026 regular season, wants to sign with a contender; Which Super Bowl contender should sign him? (46:14) Oregon QB Dante Moore reveals mental health struggles, asks governor for more state resources (51:00) Former NFL WR A.J. Green calls for NFL to provide better mental health care See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(16:35) NFL blames replacement officials plan on NFL Referees AssociationSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) NFL announces 2026 proposals from Steelers and Browns (09:00) Rams withdrew proposals arising from two-point play in Seattle (15:40) Panthers trade QB Andy Dalton to the Eagles (25:33) Simms Top 7 Running Backs (44:16) Caleb Williams seeks trademark protection for “Iceman” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(16:21) Bucs GM Jason Licht on Mike Evans: I think he wanted a new challenge (20:00) Jason Licht: Bucs made Mike Evans “a significantly higher offer” than 49ers (27:30) Report: Dolphins tell inquiring teams De’Von Achane is not available (40:00) PFT: NFL has begun process of identifying potential replacement officialsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Maxx Crosby speaks for first time since trade to Ravens was called off (19:03) Maxx Crosby on what Dr. ElAttrache said to him: “‘Don't listen to any of that s–t…. Your knee is great. You're exactly where you're supposed to be or even ahead of schedule." (23:36) Maxx Crosby: “S—t happens for a reason… I wasn’t supposed to be in Baltimore and that’s it…. I’m meant to be a Raider.” (33:10) NFLPA elects JC Tretter as Executive Director (43:33) Hall of Fame S/CB Rod Woodson on Aaron Rodgers: “ If he's gonna play, say he's gonna play, he's gonna come back. And the team shouldn't wait for Aaron Rodgers. They need to move forward." (48:15) Rod Woodson: “They should've taken Jaxson Dart. He fell to them. It was the best opportunity for them to take that quarterback who has that swag, kinda fit into that Steeler mold." (51:30) Report: Seahawks will open 2026 season at home on Wednesday September 9 (53:46) Ravens QB Lamar Jackson adds boxing to his offseason workoutsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(08:50) Dolphins trade WR Jaylen Waddle to Broncos (44:40) What does the Jaylen Waddle trade mean for Broncos?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

02:45 – Dolphins trade Jaylen Waddle to Broncos 08:55 – Troy Aikman plans to continue to work with the Dolphins “in some capacity” 15:50 – Ed Policy fears impact of new NFL economics on Packers’ ability to compete 24:00 – How would an 18-game season work?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Simms QB Draft Rankings (19:30) Carolina Panthers LB Jaelan Phillips: "I think that I still have room to grow, obviously as a pass rusher, and just turning all that disruption into production.” (29:05) Jerry Jones: “Had we played a lick of defense last year, we would’ve had ourselves, I think, a real playoff run.” (37:20) 49ers sign WR Christian Kirk to 1 year, $6M contract (44:23) Texans revise RB David Montgomery’s contract (48:00) CB Darius Slay announces retirement after 13 seasons See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:50) USC asked Matt Leinart to unretire his jersey for a recruit. Leinart: “Absolutely F-ing not” (11:15) Titans reveal new logo (18:32) Jets trade QB Justin Fields to Chiefs for 2027 6th round pick (45:30) Raiders traded QB Geno Smith to Jets last week (51:30) Geno Smith: “Although it didn’t go exactly as planned, somehow, someway, we got back here. And I’m eager to make things right if I can.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:30) Trey Hendrickson: “If you can't get excited to play here, you have to check your pulse.” (04:00) Trey Hendrickson: "I'm in a win-now window. This opportunity to hoist the Lombardi Trophy… build something from the ground up is an amazing opportunity.” (20:02) Falcons GM Ian Cunningham: "For Tua, coming in here, he knows he's coming in to compete, just like Michael [Penix] knows that he's coming in to compete." (26:28) More intriguing QB1 battle: Vikings or Falcons? (31:13) Titans release CB L’Jarius Sneed (34:00) Panthers sign T Rasheed Walker to 1 year deal (39:00) Washington state legislature is proposing a 9.9% “millionaires tax” (40:00) Seahawks GM John Schneider on “millionaire tax”: “I think it is for all the pro teams here in town. It’s always been a huge attraction, especially competing with the California teams. It’s been a big deal for us. So it’s going to sting, from a recruiting standpoint and what that looks like. . . . It’s going to sting, no question about it.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.