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The Talk Of Change podcast is a show designed to inspire and deepen your life and leadership both at home and at work. Your host is Rob Murray, a researcher who's fascinated and fixated on deep change and transformation. In each episode Rob sits down with carefully selected experts, scholars, leader…

Rob Murray


    • Dec 10, 2022 LATEST EPISODE
    • monthly NEW EPISODES
    • 39m AVG DURATION
    • 26 EPISODES


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    Find and Resource Intentional People

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2022 26:45


     Most people are under-resourced, but the problem is they don't know what they want and need or how to ask for it. A meaningful life requires overcoming these challenges and finding the support of a tribe.  The Personal Circle is an intentional gathering of people who have already invested in your life to the extent that trust has been established.  Who loves you for you? Who offers wisdom and perspective? Who brings your strategic insight and advice? Who fights for you? Heart, Soul, Mind, and Strength-Starters, are the four types of people we desperately need at our table. These people can help you take stock of your life, recognize the wonders and shadows you carry, and energize your mission, purpose, and calling. 

    The Search for Meaning

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 2, 2022 30:29


    We all want a meaningful life but are becoming less willing to wait patiently. We are impulsive and fixated on the instant hit of endorphins, more so the substance of character. Meaning requires a developmental mindset, and that takes time. You cannot microwave the deep life. We also never know which moments may become a significant one, so we have to become more intentional more often. A meaningful life is costly, so draw courage, find your tribe, and start showing up! 

    Avoiding Relationships with Distance

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2022 28:11


    Have you ever been distanced or cut off by a family member, friend, or community without notice or choice? Or maybe you have done so to someone yourself. Of course, you have! We often use unhealthy Distance and Cutoffs to manage the fears, anxiety, and insecurities that arise in relational or communal systems. We find ways to self-justify our distance. We confuse boundaries without our behavior. And we find it easier to walk away than to move through.  While these strategies may offer temporary relief, they will stunt and undermine the opportunity we have to become more resilient, courageous, and connected humans. Those seeking to reach for a meaningful and purposeful life must learn how to do things differently in relationships. 

    You, Me, Us

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2022 24:54


    Many of us learned how to find safety and healing for the inevitable wounds of life by being more defensive, independent, or self-sufficient. To live a meaningful life requires letting down the drawbridge, coming out of the fortress at some point, and courageously reaching for interdependence with others. While Denial, Distraction, and Determination have become our three primary strategies for survival, they also lull us to sleep and threaten our futures. In this episode, we explore how the lens of "You, Me, Us" can offer a way to see our lives with others and help negotiate for the things that matter. 

    Refresh Your Meaning

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 6, 2022 24:59


    Most people want to live a meaningful life, but there is often a gap between this hope and the reality of how they feel and what they do.  If you are tired, exhausted, and overwhelmed by the hustle and grind, you are not alone.  Let's explore how to make more sense of our lives, stories, and purpose in the world. In this season, let's highlight and face the threats and challenges that stand in our way.  If you become aware of a lack of clarity around your meaning, don't worry. This truth is equally important. Far better to notice and attend to this need than to blunder ahead and lead blindly.  You don't hear people on their deathbeds talking about the extra money they didn't make or projects they didn't complete. With our last breath on this planet, we want to know that we fought hard and lived deeply. We want to know that our lives mattered. That people will give a damn when we are gone because we meant so much to them.  

    I feel sad, calm, and lonely (S3:E6)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 17, 2022 52:52


    Bringing the Big Twelve to a close, Rob and Natalie spend time talking about feeling sad, calm, and lonely. What if sadness led to acceptance and hope instead of self-pity and lethargy? What if calmness opened the door to clarity and peace instead of avoidance or apathy? What if loneliness invited connection and solitude instead of withdrawal and isolation? Join us as we become more heart-engaged and emotionally intelligent. 

    I feel ashamed, cared-for, and hurt (S3:E5)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 9, 2022 59:12


    In this episode, we explore three more of the twelve emotions. Rob and Natalie cover the feeling of shame and how it can lead you towards being human or being in contempt of being human. Cared-for can be more complicated than you think, and feeling hurt doesn't feel very good for most adults. Keep listening, and let's keep learning!

    I feel angry, excited and guilty

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 8, 2022 55:19


    In this episode, we continue to explore another three of the twelve emotions. Rob and Natalie talk about how anger is vital for progress, excitement for joy, and guilt for safety. Once we learn to understand and use the same words to describe our "insides," relationships can soar to new heights. I feel, you feel, we all feel for ice cream. Jump in and journey with us. Keep leaning in. I know this is a lot, but you're gaining altitude, and the learning will invite practice, and that practice will impact both your performance and your quality of life.

    Finding your feelings

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 15, 2021 64:51


    Learning to share an emotional language is vital for healthy individuals and communities. Feelings, much like the color of our blood, like death and desire, remind us that we are all equally human, created with common realities, common motivations, and common bonds that transcend the intricacies of our individual lives. Core Emotions and affect labeling have been used in varying numbers and forms throughout history. Join Rob and Natalie as they introduce the first three of twelve feelings (afraid, confident, lost) to offer you a starting point. Once we start to use the same words and subscribe to the same rules of engagement, our emotional intelligence takes on new energy and potential.

    Catching up to yourself

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 27, 2021 78:31


    Who are you truly? Life has a way of pushing us into specific roles and responsibilities to survive and thrive in various seasons. Emotional health begins to emerge when we can start to recover and engage our core sense of self rather than be overrun by these roles. Join Rob and Natalie for this second episode of the EQ series on the Talk of Change podcast as they dive into self-awareness, core self, and their own stories of the Solider and the Survivor. Organizations remain dedicated to elevating valid topics like vision, mission, strategy, and operations, but it's time to seriously consider including a process that engages and integrates all the parts of who we are as humans.

    How do you feel about feelings?

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2021 55:49


    Join Rob & Nat: Are feelings good or bad? Do they help us or hurt us? I have spent significant time in my life and career researching, studying, practicing, and being mentored in the field of emotional intelligence and resilience. As a result, I have become keenly aware that these simple questions are answered in predictable ways that yield three distinct positions on the subject. Identifying with one or more of these three responses will give you some fresh perspective on how you were raised emotionally and the journey that has brought you to the present day. This conversation could be a powerful first step toward becoming connected to yourself and others in meaningful ways. 

    Heath Slawner - YOUR CULTURE (S2:E8)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2020 38:49


    In this final episode of the Home & Work Connected Series, Rob interviews Heath Slawner on the topic of organizational culture. Heath works alongside some of the business world's leading thinkers and researchers (including Simon Sinek's team) to uncover how leaders can bring teams together to achieve extraordinary results. What do all great organizations have in common, whether they realize it or not? How do we consistently and effectively get people to listen, follow, buy-in, and take the next step? 

    Bob Westfall - YOUR ORGANIZATION (S2:Ep7)

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 6, 2020 40:01


    Organizations often fail to have, or capitalize on a corporate vision that can positively and constructively inspire, energize, and inform leaders and teams. How can you get better at transitioning from transactional to transformational and turning both you employees and customers into ambassadors? Rob Murray talks with Bob Westfall on this episode about navigating this type of organizational change, which starts with learning how to build an intellectual, emotional, and transformational case.

    Brad Stinson - YOUR TEAM (S2:Ep6)

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2020 36:41


    It has been well established that Purpose is an essential human need. It is easy to forget this when considering team culture. Rob Murray & Brad Stinson talk in this episode about the incredible opportunity that exists for leaders, teams, and organizations who seek to intentionally recover and align around Purpose both at work and home.  Purpose can be nurtured by discovering out what inspires teams, identifying their unique gifts, and fostering an environment of empowerment and growth.  Brad shares about when he stopped trying to help teams hit a number, complete a project, or meet a budget but instead started with assisting them in clarifying Purpose. 

    Dr. Stephen Mansfield - YOUR LEADERSHIP (S2:Ep5)

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 2, 2020 40:59


    While recovery from a leadership crash is usually possible, what if we could instead learn to recognize the prior warning signs and intervene before it happens at all? Join Rob Murray with Dr. Stephen Mansfield in this first episode of part two on the Home & Work Connected series, where they talk about ten very common behaviors that are almost always evident in the downward journey of a leader. Stephen reminds us that becoming aware of just a few of these could save millions of dollars, years of humiliation, hundreds and sometimes thousands of jobs, and much-lost good that might have been done.

    Brooks Gibbs - YOUR CHILD (S2:Ep4)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2020 31:29


    There are limitations to what parents, communities, and governments can, and should even do in an attempt to shelter and protect young people from being bullied. However, children are not powerless to solve their social problems yet that’s become a foundational premise in our society. Rob Murray spends time with Brooks Gibbs on the Talk of Change Podcast (S2 Ep4) to explore an approach that seeks to grow resilient children, full of courage, strength, and awareness.  

    Dr. Chip Dodd - YOUR PARENTING (S2:Ep3)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2020 33:53


    Kid’s don’t need perfect parents. That statement is easier to say than to believe right?  Children, like a partner or spouse, offer a powerful opportunity to grow your capacity for connection. That growth can positively translate into other areas of your life, including at work.  Rob Murray spends time with Dr. Chip Dodd on the Talk of Change Podcast (S2 Ep3) to explore a less common approach to good parenting. Rather than overly-focusing to modify your child’s behaviors, what if you first learned to connect with heart, accept your own flaws, and resolve parts of your own childhood? What children need most is authentically engaged parents who offer them a place to learn how to be fully human in a hard, hopeful, exciting, and tragic world. 

    Dr. Sue Johnson - YOUR PARTNER (S2:Ep2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 10, 2020 40:55


    In this second episode of the Home & Work Connected series, Rob Murray talks with Dr. Sue Johnson, an author, clinical psychologist, researcher, professor, and leading innovator in the field of couple therapy and adult attachment.  Relationships: How can we enhance, repair and keep them? When we feel safe at home in our relationships, it offers us the courage and the boldness to face the world with more passion and intention.  Visit www.talkofchange.com for your free change guide for this episode and others. 

    Jack Nicholson - YOUR SELF (S2:Ep1)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 19, 2020 30:51


    Nothing about your life is happening within a vacuum. In this session, Jack Nicholson and Rob Murray set the tone for this whole Talk of Change series by sharing from the intersection of the human and the context in which they express themselves. You cannot risk overlooking either sides of this work and home polarity when desiring deep change and transformation. Download the FREE change guides for this series at www.talkofchange.com To keep living we are required to breathe in, but also out, and then to repeat both continually. If you polarize (stop on either end), you die. Jack’s Human Systems Polarity™ has radically impacted the work both he and Rob do with leaders, teams and organizations. It supercharges the systemic potential for improving and strengthening the whole ecosystem, starting with you!

    You Can't Escape the Family System: Dr. Kathleen Smith

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 22, 2019 36:07


    You do not live and die within a vacuum.  Families are systems of interconnected and interdependent individuals, none of whom can be understood in isolation from the system. Emotional connections, rules, and agreements have and continue to be forged within that system, usually centered around managing anxiety. Once the research view shifts from the individual to the family or work unit, the scene looks entirely different.  Listen in to this episode as Rob interview Dr. Kathleen Smith, an associate faculty member at the Bowen Center in Washington, DC, which trains clinicians, clergy, and business leaders in the practice of Bowen Family Systems Theory.

    If I Only Had a Heart: Jeff Schulte

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2019 38:46


    This is an extremely personal episode for Rob Murray and his story as he connect with Jeff Schulte from Tin Man, a past guide and now friend, mentor, and coworker.  Many people live life alone, trapped in the prison of their own intellect, morality, and self-will. Despite being hard-wired for intimate relationships, our fear and shame keep us detached from our own hearts and therefore detached from the ones we love. We learn to cope. This is not living fully, this is barely surviving. If you want your heart back and more for your life, listen in as Jeff tells you the story of the Tin Man. No matter your situation, this conversation offers you a few steps you can take to start the journey home. 

    Facing Your Anxious Dragons: Jonathan Rios

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 5, 2019 36:02


    Anxiety can often feel like you have a thousand-pound boulder hanging over your head, ready to crush you at any given time. In this episode on the Talk Of Change podcast, Rob chats with Jonathan Rios, focusing on this very relatable topic. We can often fuse who we are with what we do. Threats that challenge this arrangement can produce excessive amounts of fear and anxiety that can shake or cripple us. What could it look like to face your anxious dragons?

    Winning is Everything - Troy Murphy

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 23, 2019 36:17


    In this episode, Rob talks with Troy Murphy, a former marine and chaplain for the Green Bay Packers. There are huge pressures on many of us at work to win! Much like the NFL, winning is often defined by whatever brings in the most money. For players to make the NFL is a massive deal, but then to stay in the game, becomes an entirely new set of different pressures. Join Rob and Troy in this episode to hear more about how to become a researcher of your own story, learn more about what you feel, and why you do what you do.

    Good Grief: Janina Tiner

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2019 34:43


    Life can be extremely challenging. It goes a long way in the healing journey to offer respect and purpose to those parts of ourselves that have gone off to war and need to return home. In this episode, Rob Murray interviews Janina Tiner about her experience as a certified IFS, Grief, and EMDR Specialist. Together they deliver conversation and encouragement that will offer you the opportunity to live your life with more calmness, curiosity, clarity, compassion, confidence, courage, creativity, and connection.

    How To Solve Your People Problems: Dr. Alan Godwin

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 7, 2019 29:55


    No matter how much you’re attracted to someone’s positives, you’ll eventually encounter their negatives when you get in close. In fact, the closer the connection, the more likely it is that friction will occur. But all conflict is not created equal. Drawing on years of counseling experience, Dr. Alan Godwin offers conversation and advice to effectively deal with conflict in various relational situations, learn the different methods needed for handling unreasonable people, establish good communication and healthy boundaries, counter old conflict patterns when they return, and get back on track. Make your good relationships better and handle your difficult relationships more capably by implementing these principles and steps. 

    Working Harder and Smarter Until You Can't: Phil Herndon

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 28, 2019 31:01


    Rob Murray opens up the Talk Of Change podcast with a challenging conversation with Phil Herndon about the common challenges, realities, and opportunities for leaders who have reached the end of themselves. Working harder and smarter no longer works anymore and something has to change!

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