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I first met Matthew Heimbach when he was a leftwing teenager, and came to one of my shows, in 2005. It was after that that he joined what we used to call the Alt Right, or the white nationalist movement, founding the Traditionalist Workers Party. He left the movement only one year ago, and we've been in touch since then. This interview with Matthew is as timely as an interview could possibly be, one of the most interesting I've ever conducted, and certainly the longest.
In this episode Daniel and Jack take another look at Matt Heimbach, formerly of the Traditionalist Workers Party and National Socialist Movement, and his supposed turn to anti-racism. Content Warning Contains Clips Notes and Links: Matt Heimbach SPLC. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/matthew-heimbach SPLC article 'Two Prominent Neo-Nazis Recant, but Their Actions Sow Doubts' https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/05/14/two-prominent-neo-nazis-recant-their-actions-sow-doubts Everything You Love Will Burn. https://www.amazon.com/Everything-You-Love-Will-Burn/dp/1568589948 Vice White Student Union documentary (from 2013). https://youtu.be/GJ_MHp8iqtQ Matt Heimbach assaults woman at Trump rally 2016. https://youtu.be/-YeYZtXHo8E Kelly Weill article on Night of Wrong Wives. https://www.thedailybeast.com/matthew-heimbachs-traditional-workers-party-implodes-over-love-triangle-turned-trailer-brawl Matt Heimbach joins Light Upon Light. https://youtu.be/w4DGkvsJLP8 Light Upon Light Upon Light (independent blog critical of LuL.) https://lightuponlightuponlight.home.blog Take A Walk On the Right Side podcast. https://anchor.fm/take-a-walk-on-the-right-side * Relevant previous episodes: Episode 8: The National Socialist Movement Episode 28: The Siege Pill, Part 1 Episode 29: The Siege Pill, Part 2 Episode 3: Unite the Right, Part 1 Episode 4: Unite the Right, Part 2 * Jack's splenetic ramblings on J. K. Rowling, Part 1, Part 2, review of Fantastic Beasts 2
Ooooo ah ah ah ah. Two weeks, guys. That's it. That's all it's gonna take to make this empty bun go away. ...or so they've been saying since January. I had a chance to speak with political prisoner Chris Cantwell regarding his perspective on the crisis. We're going to start things off today with the audio from that exchange. After I speak with Chris, we'll be getting into some more detailed coverage of the government's response to the crisis, then we'll be discussing a strange video released yesterday by Matthew Heimbach, founder of the Traditionalist Workers Party. This is EPISODE 402 of So to Speak w/ Jared Howe!
We pick up where we left off last week; discussing Russian Nazbols, American Third Positionism, and the re-emphasizing the need to speak with clarity about this topic of dire importance. Listen to Part II of a II part series, in which we think out loud about the history and politics of fascist anti-capitalism. https://www.patreon.com/theregrettablecenturyA short list of some of the material referenced for the show:Payne, Stanley G. A History of Fascism, 1914-1945. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1995.Lee, Martin A. The Beast Reawakens. Boston: Little, Brown and Co, 1997.Coogan, Kevin. Dreamer of the Day : Francis Parker Yockey and the Postwar Fascist International. Brooklyn, N.Y: Autonomedia, 1999.A scholarly article about The National Question and the Communists in Weimar Germany. https://libcom.org/files/NATIONAL%20BOLSHEVISM%20IN%20WEIMAR%20GERMANY.pdfThe (Now Defunct) Traditionalist Workers Party:https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/traditionalist-worker-partyAn undercover expose of the Traditionalist Workers Party:https://unicornriot.ninja/2018/leaked-a-year-inside-the-failed-neo-nazi-traditionalist-worker-party/Article about a alt-righters adopting “anti-capitalism”https://www.thenation.com/article/the-racist-right-looks-left/ Music: Holocaust by Crisis off of No Town HallSupport the show (http://patreon.com/theregrettablecentury)
Yes there is an anti-capitalist right and leftists need to stop being so confused when rightists are opposed to, or critical of, capitalism. Listen to Part I of a II part series, in which we think out loud about the history and politics of the Strasserites, Nazbols, European New Right, and Third Positionists. https://www.patreon.com/theregrettablecenturyA short list of some of the material referenced for the show:Payne, Stanley G. A History of Fascism, 1914-1945. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1995.Lee, Martin A. The Beast Reawakens. Boston: Little, Brown and Co, 1997.Coogan, Kevin. Dreamer of the Day : Francis Parker Yockey and the Postwar Fascist International. Brooklyn, N.Y: Autonomedia, 1999. The National Question and the Communists in Weimar Germany. https://libcom.org/files/NATIONAL%20BOLSHEVISM%20IN%20WEIMAR%20GERMANY.pdfThe (Now Defunct) Traditionalist Workers Party:https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/traditionalist-worker-partyAn undercover expose of the Traditionalist Workers Party:https://unicornriot.ninja/2018/leaked-a-year-inside-the-failed-neo-nazi-traditionalist-worker-party/Article about a alt-righters adopting “anti-capitalism”https://www.thenation.com/article/the-racist-right-looks-left/ Music: Auf, auf zum Kampf by Commandantes off of Lieder Für Die ArbeiterklasseSupport the show (http://patreon.com/theregrettablecentury)
For six years, journalist Vegas Tenold embedded himself among the members of three of America's most ideologically extreme white nationalist groups including the KKK, neonazis, and the Traditionalist Workers Party. He reveals how this self-described Norwegian socialist managed to gain access to some of the worst hate groups in America, and why he says the most dangerous groups aren’t the KKK or neonazis, but a new class of well organized activists seeking to take their hateful ideology mainstream. He recalls covering the notorious Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville and explains why law enforcement was partly to blame for the violence. He talks about some of the dog whistles that politicians use to signal fidelity with white nationalists, his experience watching the 2016 election returns with the head of the Traditionalist Workers Party, and why he says these groups are ultimately doomed to fail. Plus the dangers of being a bald white Norwegian at a skinhead rally. Order Everything You Love Will Burn: Inside the Rebirth of White Nationalism in America on Amazon or Audible and follow Vegas Tenold on twitter at @vegastenold. Today's episode was sponsored by Everquote, Grasshopper, and Zyppah.
This week William got the chance to speak to Bruno Renero-Hannan, who is an anarchist historical anthropologist from Mexico City, about their solidarity work around two of the original 250 Loxicha Prisoners in the state of Oaxaca. This rebellion and imprisonment occurred almost simultaneously to the Zapatista rebellion in Chiapas in the mid-late 90s with very different results. We talk about the long and complex history of this case, the similarities and differences between this uprising and that of the Zapatistas, the ongoing political repression of Alvaro Ramirez and Abraham Ramirez, and the economic solidarity push being orgainized by our guest, as well as some stark parallels between this case and that of the remaining 59 J20 defendants. If you would like to see the 45 minute broadcast edit of this interview, you can go to The Final Straw Radio Collection on archive.org To contribute to freedom for Alvaro and Abraham, please visit patreon.com/KeepLoxichaFree. As per the very reasonable request on the part of the folks doing support for Alvaro and Abraham, we have omitted the Sean Swain segment for this episode. The You Are the Resistance topic did not pair well with the main interview content nor were Keep Loxicha Free supporters aware of the segment. We regret any confusion or discomfort that this caused. We would like to take a bit of space here to explain to new listeners that many of the Sean Swain segments are meant in the spirit of satire; Swain himself has been a political prisoner for over 25 years at this point, and his humor is sometimes abrasive, but he is a committed believer in the dismantling of all forms of oppression. He and we are open to feedback on this segment, and any content we present! You can reach us at thefinalstrawradio@riseup.net, and he can be reached by writing to: Sean Swain #243-205 Warren CI P.O. Box 120 Lebanon, Ohio 45036 Resist Nazis in Tennessee On Saturday, Feb 17, Matthew Heinbach of the Traditionalist Workers Party will be speaking at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville from 1-4pm. If you don't like this, you can contact the University by calling 8659749265 and demand that they disinvite this open neo-nazi organizer from their campus! Some Benefits in Asheville For the drinkers in Asheville, this week features two libation-centric benefits for books to prisoners projects. On Wednesday, February 14, Valentines Day, three bars in Asheville will be participating in a drink special that will raise money for Tranzmission Prison Project, our local LGBT books to prisoners project with a national scope. You can visit the Crow & Quill on Lexington, the Lazy Diamond around the corner in Downtown or the Double Crown on Haywood in West Asheville on Wednesday for more details. On Thursday, February 15th at the Catawba's South Slope Tasting Room & Brewery (32 Banks Avenue #105) for their first New Beer Thursday fundraiser of 2018!! Starting with the release on the 15th and running through March, a portion of the cost of every glass of their pomegranate sour sold will be donated to the Asheville Prison Books Program! More events coming up this week include: Thursday the 15th at 7pm Blue Ridge ABC is holding a benefit show at Static Age for a local activists with a sliding scale cost. Bands featured are Kreamy Lectric Santa, Cloudgayzer, Secret Shame, Falcon Mitts & Chris Head Later that night in Asheville, the monthly benefit dance party called HEX will be holding an event at the Mothlight to raise money and materials for A-Hope, which provides services locally to houseless and poor folks. Bring socks, footwear and camping gear to donate! On Tuesday, April 20th at 6pm at The Shell Studio, 474 Haywood Rd on the second floor, there will be a showing of the locally produced documentary entitled Hebron about human rights struggles in Palestine. On Friday the 23rd at 6:30pm, the Steady Collective will be participating in a Harm Reduction forum at the Haywood Street Congregation at 297 Haywood St. in downtown. Also that night, BRABC will be showing the latest TROUBLE documentary by sub.media at 7:30pm at firestorm books and coffee. This will be a second on Student Organizing around the world. Finally, on Saturday the 24th 9am to 3pm at Rainbow School, 60 State Street in Asheville there'll be a Really Really Free Market organized by the Blue Ridge General Defense Committee or GDC. Bring stuff that's still good to share and come back with other stuff that's still good for free! Perfect for spring cleaning or dealing with inclement weather on a budget. A Call for Art Submissions for ACAB2018... A reminder that if you are the sensitive, artistic type, the ACAB2018, or Asheville Carolina Anarchist Bookfair is soliciting art for fundraising and advertising purposes. If you have image ideas that you can put into action and want to share them, that'd be dope. We're looking for things we can put onto postcards, t-shirts, posters and other swag to spread word about the event and help us cover the costs of operation. Contact us at acab2018@riseup.net ...and for Yours Truly at TFS Likewise, if you are feeling artsy fartsy and want to help out this show, we're looking for swag imagery, either as a logo or a standalone piece of art we can feature for fundraising purposes. If you like the show and want to help, post your files on share.riseup.net and send us a link at thefinalstrawradio@riseup.net or share it with one of our social media identities. If we choose to use your art, we'll send you a mix tape with one side produced by each of our regular contributing editors.
For a 59 minute long, radio clean version for syndication purposes, please visit the archive.org collection. Interview This week we air the second half of Bursts conversation with Kevin Tucker. Kevin is an anarcho-primitivist, author and publisher of Black & Green Review. This week we air Kevin's views about tribal-bro-ism in the white supremacist and macho approach to historical misappropriation, upcoming issues of the journal Black & Green Review, Collapse, Rewilding versus Revolution and more. For a free look at some of Kevin's writings, visit theanarchistlibrary.org, and to check out his publishing project, journals and books you can visit blackandgreenpress.org For part one of Bursts' conversation with Kevin, you can visit our noblogs site! Related Audios If you found this conversation interesting, you may enjoy the interviews Bursts conducted with two other anarcho-primitivists on the show over the years. Check out his chats with Layla Abdel-Rahim pt 1 (Layla begins about 40 minutes in) & pt 2 as relates to her philosophy and her book “Wild Children – Domesticated Dreams” and with John Zerzan on the subject of anti-civilization anarchism more widely. Announcements “White Lives Matter” rally in Shelbyville TN, October 28th, Editorial Online platform The Tennseean has recently been reporting of several white nationalist rallies (called White Lives Matter rallies) that are planned for October 28th in Shelbyville and Murfreesboro TN among perhaps one other town. These spots were chosen by the event organizers, most visibly Brad Griffin, who writes under the alias Hunter Wallace on the blog Occidental Dissent, because of the state's Republican and red status coupled with a mistrust of law enforcement in what they're calling “more Democratic towns”. According to a statement that they released on Saturday, The National Socialist Movement, a pro-white organization based out of Detroit, MI, said the group's “street action” would be broadening its scope to include other small TN towns in the vicinity of Nashville. This same statement claims participation by other groups such as League of the South and the Traditionalist Workers Party. It's not known how many people will be attending at this time, though the organizers are predictably posturing that it will be a well attended event. The stated purpose of these events is to protest the changing demographic of middle TN, silence from the White House regarding a fatal church shooting in Antioch last month (in which the perpetrator started his early life in Sudan but was a US citizen) and probably some other white nationalist nonsense as well. According to interviews posted a couple of days ago by WCVS, residents of both Shelbyville and Murfreesboro are both angered at this groups' presence and confused about why their hometown was chosen. Many statements include disgust at the very message of white nationalism and white lives matter. It's believed by residents that these groups are outside agitators who are descending on them to disrupt their town and their already scheduled community events, and by doing so are making implicit assumptions about their way of life and of thinking. All the organizing information is attempting to draw a clear link between these events and the by now internationally famous events in Charlottesville Virginia of August 12 this year, even though that day was a clear loss for those on the side of the alt right. Despite claims, also by the organizers, that the event “will not be violent”, police are gearing up in those cities to prepare for the rallies. Just last night (October 7th), in that same city of Cville, Richard Spencer showed his face and formed a 30 strong, 10 minute long torch march around the doomed Lee Monument (scheduled for removal) in Emancipation Park, the site of their previous defeat. Predictably, police were heavy allies to the Nazis and escorted them away under police protection. If you are disgusted by this, you can call the folks at the CPD and ask them why they're still helping Neo Nazis do their thing. They can be reached at 434-970-3280. In this post Cville landscape of frenzied and often disorganized white nationalist activity, it is perhaps important to keep these things in our sights and oppose them as best we can. The exact location of the event has not yet been released, but it might be reasonable to assume that the information will be posted on Griffin's blog a day or two beforehand. For more information about developments, keep eyes on your favorite anarchist and antifascist news sources! You can see here the article from which much of this information was pulled. Playlist
This week William spoke with a member of Eastern Kentucky Antifa about the upcoming resistance to the Traditionalist Workers Party's event in Pikeville KY. This group, along with The Nationalist Socialist Movement, The American Freedom Party, League of the South, The Iron March Forums, and other groups which it is accurate to call neo-Nazi are converging to form The Nationalist Front. They will gather on Friday, April 28th on private land for camping, a series of speakers, and trainings. The following day, they are planning to rally in front of the courthouse in Pikeville, KY at 2:00pm EST. They plan to retreat to the location where their camping and the conference is being hosted to hold an after party as well as a “secret event." In this short interview, we talk about what to expect from this event, some of the history of fascist and proto fascist activity in rurual KY, and things that resisters should keep in mind. One thing that we did not mention is that phone reception is very spotty in this area, so if you are going you should come having printed off paper maps beforehand. You can see an excellent article on this by going to It's Going Down After this interview we will hear some new antifascist, antiracist metal from The Dark Skies Above Us Collective out of Greece. ANNOUNCEMENT If you're listening in Asheville come out to a queer country show and corn dog pop up to benefit the Tranzmission Prison Project, a decade long running project which sends free books and resources to LGBTQ incarcerated folks. This event will be on Wednesday April 19th at the Double Crown at 375 Haywood Rd Asheville NC, food starts at 6 music at 8 come out! You can get in touch with Tranzmission by writing them at tranzmissionprisonproject@gmail.com or by writing PO Box 1874, Asheville NC 28806. -------- Playlist here.
Interview with Matthew Heimbach from Traditionalist Workers Party and Traditionalist Youth Network.01:56 - What’s up with Chávez?02:50 - Political nationalism sympathises withall strategic enemies of Globalism.04:09 - At least he did some stuff that pissedthe kikes off.04:55 - But he was no real nationalist, justanother nose thumper. And handed Venezuela to the kikes. Whites were estrangedfrom the Venezuelan identity after Chávez, since there was not much left toidentify with.08:33 - Achtung! Maduro is a kike!10:13 - In the grand scheme of things, Chávezcaused more harm than good to the nationalist cause.11:08 — Nationalists should engage in civicdialogue.11:10 - We fight against the most evilenemy in history, so we must be ready to associate with unlikely partners.11:50 - Anti-Imperial American ’nationalist’Marxists are controlled opposition on steroids. No recognition of the value ofwork, but rather victim mentality and tactical scapegoating.— 00:13:00 — Marxist-influenced victimmindsets— 00:15:00 — Nationalism, no gibsmedats,builders, creators.— 00:16:00 — Nietzschean slave morality of theleft. Nationalists want a better quality of life— 00:18:00 — South American bimbos faringnorthwards, sponsored by their own booties.— 00:24:00 — Sovereignty and economic freedom.National Socialist/völkisch/populist resource management.— 00:31:00 — Matthew’s beginnings— 00:37:00 — Goys’re here!— 00:47:00 — Race and Nationalism in the NorthAmerican continent.— 00:52:00 — Pan-nationalism vs Racialnationalism vs Civic nationalism vs multiculturalism— 00:55:00 — Appalachia’s racial landscape— 00:58:00 — Views on racial purity/integrity— 01:03:00 — Who believes in DNA testsanyways?— 01:09:00 — Latin American points of view onrace.— 01:11:00 — Whites built civilisation inLatin America too.— 01:14:00 — The Jaye Kyoo— 01:21:00 — The Jaye Kyoo seen from the faith— 01:43:00 — The Eastern and Western churches— 01:51:00 — Western religious traditions— 02:03:00 — Bridging gaps— 02:07:00 — NPI, AmRen, Experiences in theworld of nationalism— 02:13:00 — Courses of action, solutions— 02:17:00 — Ways of doing away with zog.— 02:21:00 — Stuff— 02:35:00 — Golden Circle— 02:40:00 — MAGA— 02:47:00 — Pork, food— 02:52:00 — Matthew’s media
We have an hour long conversation with organizers of the June 26th antifascist resistance in Sacramento, CA, that routed the attempted organizing on the Capitol Steps by white nationalist groups, the Traditionalist Workers Party and the Golden State Skinheads (among other groups). The TWP & GSS rally was an attempt to take symbolic space and inspire further and more public demonstrations by these and affiliated groups however the 40 members who showed up were quickly routed by the diverse antifa numbering 400 or so. In the ensuing fracas, 9 antifa were hospitalized, most serious among them for stab wounds. During the hour long podcast, hear 3 organizers talk about medic preparation, what the event looked like, media responses, post-confrontation security for those hospitalized and more. It's well worth noting that money is still being raised to help cover medical costs of those injured on June 26th. To help, you can visit https://rally.org/June26th .
Earlier this week, we spoke with Shiya Nwanguma about her experience protesting at the Donald Trump rally and being pushed by Trump supporters — an incident that was captured on a video which quickly went viral. On this week's show, we speak with three more activists who protested both outside and inside the rally. Chanelle Helm attended with the group Bereans for Mike Brown. She says Trump encouraged the crowd to remove protesters by repeatedly saying, "Get them out of here." Henry Brousseau says he was punched in the stomach by a woman wearing a Traditionalist Workers Party t-shirt (the Traditionalist Workers Party has been classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center). "I've never seen such mob violence," Brousseau said. Molly Shah was with us last week to talk about her reproductive rights hashtag #AskBevinAboutMyVag, and she also attended the Trump rally and tried to document the confrontations. Shah says she's been going to rallies and protests for about 20 years, including Ku Klux Klan rallies. "I have never been that scared. I have never seen anything like that," she said. "It was incredibly violent and incredibly scary." Shah also says she saw a man she later identified as Matthew Heimbach, who is listed as a white nationalist with the Southern Poverty Law Center. "He worked the crowd for easily three hours," she said, "going individually person to person mainly young white men and recruiting them." She recognized him when she saw him later on the viral video of Shiya Nwanguma.