Celebrity Jobber Podcast with Jeff Zito

What if Anthony Michael Hall wasn't the face of 1980s teen angst? What if instead of starring in The Breakfast Club, he was flipping omelets at a diner or selling insurance in suburban Chicago? This week on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito, we dive into the alternate reality of one of the most recognizable faces from John Hughes’ iconic coming-of-age films. Anthony Michael Hall — the original “geek” who made awkward cool — joins Jeff to talk about what could have been if Hollywood hadn’t come calling. Hall shot to fame with a string of unforgettable roles in Sixteen Candles, Weird Science, and The Breakfast Club, becoming the go-to actor for every lovable outsider in 80s cinema. But he wasn’t just a teen dream. He broke molds again by becoming the youngest cast member ever on Saturday Night Live at just 17 years old — a bold move that showed his comedic range and fearless ambition. Over the years, Hall has shed the high school persona and proven his versatility in serious roles — from the gritty The Dead Zone to portraying Whitey Ford in 61 and even embodying a cold-hearted villain in The Dark Knight. But despite the evolution, one question remains: What job would Anthony Michael Hall be doing today if he never got that lucky break? Many stars have walked a thin line between fame and flipping burgers. Remember Kanye West’s stint at The Gap? Or Brad Pitt sweating it out in a chicken suit for El Pollo Loco? Hall might’ve ended up a music producer, a writer, or even a motivational speaker — but one thing’s for sure: he never saw himself as just a jobber.

Melissa Rauch is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Melissa Rauch be doing if not for being an actress, best known for playing Bernadette Rostenkowski-Wolowitz on The Big Bang Theory? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working at the GAP like Kanye West or dressing up in a chicken costume like Brad Pitt when he worked as a chicken mascot for a fast-food restaurant. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening. Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Robin Zander is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Robin Zander be doing if not for being the lead singer and rhythm guitarist for Cheap Trick? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working at the GAP like Kanye West or A Calligrapher like Meghan Markle. Before she was a Suits actress, or hello, a member of the Royal Family. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening. Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Leigh Kakaty is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Leigh Kakaty be doing if not for being a Singer best known as the frontman of Michigan-born rock band Pop Evil? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working at the GAP like Kanye West or A Calligrapher like Meghan Markle. Before she was a Suits actress, or hello, a member of the Royal Family. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening. Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.      

Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito presents a special Best Of Episode as we replay the memorable show from '22 featuring Warren Haynes, renowned guitarist and vocalist from the Allman Brothers Band and Gov't Mule. Warren reflects on what his life might have been like if he never got that big break, a theme central to the Celebrity Jobber series, where celebrities share what jobs they might have held if not for their lucky break. Tune in for an inspiring look at Warren Haynes’ path and the stories behind the music. Subscribe to Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts to catch all the fascinating stories of celebrities’ first jobs and alternate career paths.

Michael Colyar is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Michael be doing if not for being a Comedic Legend and Author of Children's books? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working at the GAP like Kanye West or A Calligrapher like Meghan Markle. Before she was a Suits actress, or hello, a member of the Royal Family. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening. Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Susan Powter is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Susan Powter be doing if not for being a famous motivational speaker, nutritionist, personal trainer, and author who rose to fame in the 1990s with her catchphrase "Stop the Insanity!"? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a butcher's delivery boy like David Bowie or working at the GAP like Kanye West. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening. Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

David Blaine is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would David Blaine be doing if not for being a famous magician and mentalist? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a butcher's delivery boy like David Bowie or Hunting Armadillos like Matthew McConaughey. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening. Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Alex Lifeson from the band RUSH is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Alex Lifeson be doing if not for being a founding member of the Rock Band RUSH? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a “Banana Mascot” like Megan Fox, or Hunting Armadillos like Matthew McConaughey. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Kelly Shaefer from the bands Atheist and Neurotica is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Kelly Shaefer be doing if the underground metal Gods weren't looking out for him for sure? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a “A Banana Mascot” like Megan Fox, or washing dishes like The Rock. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Jon Taffer is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Jon Taffer be doing if it weren't for the Paramount Network reality show Bar Rescue? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a “Party Clown” like Hugh Jackman, or washing dishes like The Rock. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Eric McCormack is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Eric McCormack be doing if it weren't for Mr. Dress Up? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a “Party Clown” like Hugh Jackman, or serving up Starbucks like Melissa McCarthy. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Morris Chestnut is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Morris Chestnut be doing if he wasn't cast as Ricky in the 1991 movie Boyz n the Hood? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a “Sandwich Artist” at Subway like Margot Robbie, or serving up Starbucks like Melissa McCarthy. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Gloria Gaynor is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Gloria Gaynor be doing if she wasn't the Queen of Disco, Grammy Winner, singer of "I Will Survive" and many #1 Hits? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a hairdresser like Danny DeVito or serving up Starbucks like Melissa McCarthy. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Alice Cooper is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Alice Cooper be doing if he wasn't the Frickin' Godfather of Shock Rock? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working as a hairdresser like Danny DeVito or moonlighting as a lion tamer like Christopher Walken. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Tim Matheson. What type of work would he be doing if he wasn't an actor and director best known for being the voice of Jonny Quest? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling cars or working as an accountant somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Brandon T Jackson is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Brandon do if not for being a member of the successful actor and stand-up comedian, known for his roles in the films Roll Bounce, Tropic Thunder, Percy Jackson & the Olympians? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a Bartender or a Radio DJ. They may have been, just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts.

Newt Gingrich and JuJu Chang are our guests this week on Celebrity Jobber. What would have been if Newt and JuJu had never had their big break? What type of work would they do without news and politics? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling ice cream,  or building houses somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Josh Peck. What would have been if Josh never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he wasn't famous for playing "Josh" on the sketch comedy series The Amanda Show, and Drake and Josh? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling mortgages or working as a stage hand somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Robin Thicke is our guest this week on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito. What would have been if Robin had never gotten his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he didn't play Major League Baseball for teams like the Kansas City Royals, San Diego Padres, Boston Red Sox, and Chicago Cubs? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling cell phones or building houses somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Mark Farner is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Mark do if not for being a member of the successful American band Grand Funk? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a Payroll Clerk or a Pool Cleaner. They may have been, just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts.

Mark Harmon is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What type of work would Mark do if not for being a successful actor, best known for his role as Leroy Jethro Gibbs on NCIS? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a Payroll Clerk or a Pool Cleaner. They may have been, just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts.

Lou Diamond Phillips is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What would have been if Lou never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he weren't a famous Actor best known for when he starred as Ritchie Valens in the film La Bamba? This Episode is Sponsored By: UNCOMMON GOODS. Take 15% off @ UncommonGoods.com/JOBBER   Uncommon Goods. We’re all out of the ordinary. Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they might have been a duck taper or a box ticker somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Chris Myers is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What would have been if Chris never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he weren't a famous sportscaster for FOX Sports and Marquee Sports Network? This Episode is Sponsored By: UNCOMMON GOODS. Take 15% off @ UncommonGoods.com/JOBBER   Uncommon Goods. We’re all out of the ordinary. Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they might have been a duck taper or a box ticker somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Rob Schneider is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What would have been if Rob had never had his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he weren't a famous actor and comedian? This Episode is Sponsored By: UNCOMMON GOODS. Take 15% off @ UncommonGoods.com/JOBBER   Uncommon Goods. We’re all out of the ordinary. Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they might have been a duck taper or a box ticker somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Young MC is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What would have been if Marvin never had his big break? What type of work would Marvin Young, better known by his stage name Young M.C., be doing if he never found international acclaim with his debut album Stone Cold Rhymin'? This Episode is Sponsored By: UNCOMMON GOODS. Take 15% off @ UncommonGoods.com/JOBBER   Uncommon Goods. We’re all out of the ordinary. Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they might have been a duck taper or a box ticker somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Michael Starr from Steel Panther is on Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week. What would have been if Michael never had his big break? What type of work would Michael be doing if he wasn't a Freakin Rock Star? This Episode is Sponsored By: UNCOMMON GOODS. Take 15% off @ UncommonGoods.com/JOBBER   Uncommon Goods. We’re all out of the ordinary. Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they might have been a duck taper or a box ticker somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Shelia E. What would have been if Shelia never had her big break? What type of work would she be doing if she wasn't a world-famous drummer and percussionist? This Episode is Sponsored By: UNCOMMON GOODS. Take 15% off @ UncommonGoods.com/JOBBER for 15% Off your next purchase. Uncommon Goods. We’re all out of the ordinary. Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they might have been in the military or God forbid a radio personality someplace. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Dwight Evans. What would have been if Dwight never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he wasn't a famous Major League Baseball Player? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would work on the family farm or at the local mill. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Henry Winkler. What would have been if Henry never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if not for being the Fonz, and so much more? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a police officer, or working as a roadie somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, The Roast Master General Jeff Ross. What would have been if Jeff never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling mortgages or working as a caterer somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Joe Gatto from Impractical Jokers. What would have been if Joe never got his big break? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a Lawyer or selling Real Estate somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Kenny Wayne Shepherd. What would have been if Kenny never got his big break? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a garbage man or reffing little baseball somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Chris Jericho. What would have been if Chris hadn't got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he wasn't an elite wrestler and rock musician? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be renting jet-skis on the beach or pouring concrete somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Deon Cole. What would have been if Deon hadn't got his big break? What type of work would he be doing? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working at the family farm or driving a taxi cab somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Jacoby Shaddix from Papa Roach. What would have been if Jacoby never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling Real Estate somewhere, or be in the Funeral Home business. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Jerry Ferrara from Entourage. What would have been if Jerry never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling insurance somewhere, be in the upholstery business. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Shwayze. What would have been if Shwayze hadn't got his big break? What type of work would he be doing? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling ice cream on the beach or pouring drinks somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Sal Paolantonio from ESPN. What would have been if Sal never got his big break? What did Sal want to be when he grew up? What was Sal Paolantonio's first job? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling vacuums door to door, or running the family fast food joint somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

Celebrity Jobber celebrates 100 episodes with a look back on the interviews that put The Jobber Podcast on the map. Here's to 100 Episodes of Celebrity Jobber, and 100 more. 

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Patrick Warburton. What would have been if Patrick never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he wasn't famous for playing David Puddy on Seinfeld, or Jeb Denton on Less than Perfect? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling mortgages or working as a laborer somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, John Lodge of the Moody Blues. What would have been if John never got his big break? What type of work would they be doing if not for being in the rock band the Moody Blues? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling condos on the beach or pouring concrete somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Corey Feldman. What would have been if Corey never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling ice cream on the beach or pouring drinks somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Eric Hosmer. What would have been if Eric never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he didn't play Major League Baseball for teams like the Kansas City Royals, San Diego Padres, Boston Red Sox, and Chicago Cubs? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be selling cell phones or building houses somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week Lisa Loeb, singer-songwriter, musician, author and actress. What would have been if Lisa never got her big break? Many celebrities will tell you that they would have been a Weatherman or a Bartender somewhere if not for that one lucky break or meeting. They may have been, just a JOBBER. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Nathan's Hotdog Eating Champ, Miki Sudo. What would have been if Miki never got her big break? What type of work would she be doing if she wasn't a world-champion competitive eater? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a school teacher, or working as a Salesman somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Debra Jo Rupp. What would have been if Debra Jo never got her big break? What type of work would she do if not for being wildly popular for playing Kitty Forman in the Fox sitcom That '70s Show and its Netflix sequel series That '90s Show? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a substitute school teacher, or working as a Car Salesman somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Steve Guttenberg. What would have been if Steve never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a school teacher, or working as a Salesman somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Valerie Bertinelli. What would have been if Valerie never got her big break? What type of work would she be doing if she wasn't famous for playing Barbara on One Day at a Time, or being married to Eddie Van Halen for crying out loud? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be cleaning people's teeth, or working as a Rodie somewhere. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you get your podcasts.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, John Ratzenberger. What would have been if John never got his big break? What type of work would he be doing if he wasn't an actor best known for playing Cliff on Cheers? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be working on the family plantation or at the local plant. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, Please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Brett Gelman (Stranger Things). What would have been if Brett didn't become a comedian and actor? What type of work would he be doing if he wasn't playing Murray Bauman in Netflix's horror-supernatural series Stranger Things and as Martin in the BBC comedy Fleabag? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a mall security guard, or minding the family store. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.