Feminine Chaos

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss our alleged mass epidemic of missing, or at least absent, men, and the women who love them (except: do they, though?) Also: settling, compromise, and a debate over how to properly dispense with a contaminated toaster.LINKS:Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back. - The New York TimesAmerican Women Are Giving Up on Marriage - WSJ

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the new film Materialists and marrying rich, the O.G. (and long-lived) Jewish sitcom The Goldbergs, the difference between Dakota Fanning and Dakota Johnson, whether “nepo baby” is a slur, and the eggshells upon which artists may or may not have walked/ be currently walking/ will continue to walk in the future.LINKS:Can Any Woman …

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss intimacy coordinators, rodent men, and the mechanism whereby certain left-wing things begat a certain orange man.LINKS:The Real Reason Actresses Are Rejecting Intimacy CoordinatorsThe mechanismAre Liberals to Blame for the New McCarthyism? - The AtlanticOpinion | I Don't Want to Watch Slavery Fan Fiction - The New York Times

Early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss a straight lady court victory, a puckish (and very symmetrical) student journalist, and a grotesque act of botanical sabotage.Links:Supreme Court Unanimously Rules for Straight Woman in Workplace Discrimination SuitStraight out of DOGEA Student at Brown Channeled Elon Musk. Then He Got in Trouble.How to become a right-wing star? Harass peopleCarnage: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the state of Anne Hathaway's eyebrows, the downsides of celebrity, the end of diet culture, and the MeTooing of a certain journalist. (Hashtag MeToo, hashtag BLM!)Links:The bad Anne Hathaway take, archived for your pleasure: https://archive.is/1lUm5Phoebe on Anne's detractor: Envy-pityAnd on Wesley Lowery: ObjectivesJournalists At…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss what's right about built-in bookshelves, what's wrong with water aerobics, what's for sale on OnlyFans, and the time one of us sent nudes by carrier pigeon.LINKS:The built-in bookshelf of Phoebe's dreams:(via: The Group Behind Project 2025 Has a Plan to Crush the Pro-Palestinian Movement)No-cis-men, no-sleep-deprivation dance part…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the Ozempification of the populace and the traumatic sleepovers of our respective youths. Also, raccoons.Links:I Speak From Experience When I Say: Weight-Loss Drugs Give Women Freedom.The Parental Safetyism Arms Race - Cartoons Hate Her

Kat and Phoebe discuss the Met Gala, one man's polarizing torso, and the legacy of the MeToo movement now that its chief villain is back on trial.Early access for premium subscribers.LINKS:The tweet that launched a thousand 'I prefer a dad bod' sentiments: https://x.com/CostelloWilliam/status/1914860472723005446Cartoons Hate Her makes the case for chiseled: Phoebe pored over some torsos so you don't have to: Kat on the surprising-but-not GOP pro-Weinstein moment: As promised: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss capsule wardrobes, online discourse degradation, natalist White House policies, and whether you can get pregnant from a toilet seat.LINKS:The elusive instagram post featuring a very expensive not-jumpsuit:Your capsule wardrobe stinksWhite House Assesses Ways to Persuade Women to Have More Children​​Health Hazard: AIDS Fight Is Ske…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss some personal news, some internet drama, some political blame-laying, and some promising signs (or are they?) that we are entering a Renaissance du Blog.LINKS:Kat's big book news:The Podcaster versus the Vice President:https://x.com/jessesingal/status/1912573409029947456The bulldog-in-top-hat weighs in:https://x.com/CharlesPBarkle…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a list of Wirecutter recommendations with a surprise, um, ending. Then: the sexual politics of the new FX series Dying for Sex, which you should under no circumstances watch on an airplane.Links:We Believe in Buy-It-For-Life Products. Here Are Our 25 Favorites. | Reviews by WirecutterIn ‘Dying for Sex,' Men Are Eternally Disappoin…

Early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss the Ghiblification of deportation, political tone policing, and the evangelical lesbians who study heterosexual women like zoo animals.The Last Unicorn by Topstar a.k.a. Studio Ghibli before it was Ghibli:The White House jumps on the Ghibli meme train:https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1905332049021415862Whoops: An ‘Administrative Error' Sends a Maryland Father to a Salvadoran PrisonElon Musk's new hat:Elon Musk wears new MAGA hat with 'big message' on at Trump's latest cabinet meeting - News - UNILAD TechCarlos Lozada on the executive orders: Opinion | What I Learned About Trump's Second Term by Reading His First 100 Executive OrdersPhoebe bait:If Hetero Relationships Are So Bad, Why Do Women Go Back for More? This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the cartoon avatars of the political resistance, the fall of 23andMe, the aesthetics of MAGA, and the 14 year-old pig wrangler whose icy stare stole our hearts and/or souls.LINKS:The original pseudoposter/realposter collab:

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss an incredibly Canadian neighborhood poop drama, the allure of bisexual men, and the free speech imbroglio surrounding the deportation of a Columbia student protester.Links:Ladies, is it gay to like men?The FP on the ICE arrest of a Columbia protester:Melissa Chen with thoughts on the probationary green card:h…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the tragic denouement of a recent celebrity death, the spicy for-podcast-only outtakes from Phoebe's recent Globe & Mail column on woman-defining, and whether robots are coming for our jobs.LINKS:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-what-is-a-woman-an-obsession-with-defining-women-has-become-a/https://x.com/katrosenfiel…

Kat and Phoebe discuss post-woke fashion, ideological trends, a sexy Oscar-winning movie, and a minor vandalism incident in Kat's front yard (stay tuned to minute 39 for the thrilling live-on-podcast denouement!)NOTES:The license plate holder:Amy Odell: Fashion Has Given Up on Being Woke, and That's OKAndrew Sullivan: We All Live on Campus NowKat on post-politics actors and AnoraPhoebe on the 2010s: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the tragic and strange death of Gene Hackman (with latest news in links), the controversy surrounding Trump's passport policies, and the Nanette of divorce memoirs.Links:Gene Hackman steals Young Frankenstein:

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comChestfeeding is out and boobs are in on the latest episode of Feminine Chaos, as Kat and Phoebe discuss the renaissance of tits, the female gaze, and a new round of "whither wokeness" discourse.Kat on knockers: The age of the prude is overThe “man” ad for Kamala:

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss Jewish-coded skiing incidents, ozempic divorces, men losing babies, and the loneliness of the immortal optimizer.LINKS:How Weight-Loss Drugs Can Upend a MarriageThe world's most optimized man:

Kat and Phoebe discuss $800 sweaters for feminism, Instagram deep-diving, and why angry MAGA men are circulating pictures of a certain podcaster's hindquarters on twitter. (Early access for premium subscribers!)LINKS:Kat on the horny beer calendar: The picture that made one Conservative Dad lose his mind:Cartoons Hate Her on MAGA babes: Phoebe vs fancy sweaters: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss an allegedly terrible new sex trend all the youths are into, the bizarro aesthetics of the MAGA babe beer calendar, strange bedfellows in the culture wars, and how asking questions became a bad thing.LINKS:Cookie jarring, from Thought Catalog, which still exists: https://thoughtcatalog.com/molly-burford/2025/01/theres-a-new-dating…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss Taffy Brodesser-Akner's Long Island Compromise, fictional nose jobs, sexual reciprocity, and Trump's executive order to un-bend genders everywhere.LINKS:Phoebe reviews Long Island Compromise:The safety question: Jewish existential dilemmas in Taffy Brodesser-Akner's hilarious 'Long Island Compromise'Kat's internet-breaking newslet…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comBecause the Neil Gaiman discourse is a gift that keeps on giving podcast content, Kat and Phoebe return to discuss the yucking of yums, the sex lives of old ladies, and whether women should be allowed to have their own bank accounts.Links:Once again, the Gaiman exposéThere Is No Safe WordRoss Douthat on the constraints of the BDSM technical foul:https:/…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the MeToo-ing of Neil Gaiman (and certain questions about the reporting thereof.) Also: BDSM, Babygirl, and the non-binary comedy of Ilana Glazer.Links:The expose of Neil "Call Me Master" GaimanKat's first-on-the-scene dispatch from the YA Twitter Wars: https://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-toxic-drama-of-ya-twitter.htmlArchived ver…

Kat and Phoebe discuss the surprise comeback of home cooking discourse, the anatomy of the PR war between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, and how a dying political movement spawned the world's weirdest list of thought criminals.Links:Home cooking-gate: Kat on the Baldoni vs Lively mess:Phoebe on trans rights as omnicause The BARpod episode on Transgender Map: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a viral dress ad and all it contains (or, uh, doesn't). Also: straight woman studies, Alice Munro and the men who ask for performance reviews after rejection.LINKS:The pasteurized backlash:Phoebe's Sex & Politics appearance:https://savage.love/lovecast/2024/12/19/sex-politics-36-phoebe-maltz-bovy/What Alice Munro Knew - The New Yo…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a hot (alleged) killer, a perfectly nice-looking podcaster, the death of civility norms in digital space, interesting use cases for AI chatbots, and the Colleen Hoover movie Kat watched while couchlocked with the flu.LINKS:Ask us anything! Submit your question here:https://femchaospod.substack.com/p/amasKatie Herzog on "gay or Ita…

Kat and Phoebe discuss the character assassination of the “olfactory ethics” PhD lady, the actual assassination of an insurance CEO, and the anatomy of scapegoating. LINKS:The infamous October 7 tweet from Najwa Sharif Alawi: “what did y'all think decolonization meant? vibes? papers? essays? losers.”Kat Norman Rockwell-painting memes against murdering people in Midtown.The PhD Lady sagaDoes this book read as too parochial—or too 'Zionist'? The pitfalls of Writing While JewishPhoebe's greatest admirer This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss Victorian houses, emotional support pitbulls, Phoebe's "main character" debut, and whether every edgelord manlet posting "your body my choice" memes should be executed or merely jailed for life.Links:Phoebe did a fascism: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-problem-with-bluesky-it-wont-broaden-our-horizons/Phoebe d…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss their recent cameos off pod, the mass migration to Bluesky, and the literary sex scandal involving Cormac McCarthy and a teenage cowgirl. LINKS:Phoebe is famous!The Ethics of Self-Interpretation - Tablet MagazineKat on the BARpod:Episode 237: Time For A Re-Reckoning (With Kat Rosenfield)Phoebe on Other-Twitter: Cormac McCarthy's S…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss extruding our intestines (or not) in the wake of the election, and the history and future of woke media.LINKS:'Challah for Ceasefire'?: Phoebe Maltz Bovy on watching women's media walk the political tightropeKat urges artists not “to allow Donald Trump to live rent-free in our heads like some sort of perverse anti-muse”: Can we pl…

Kat and Phoebe discuss the late-breaking squirrel murder that could unite the nation, the places you can't go on a first date, and… hmm. Is something else happening today? LINKS:Government goons murder internet-famous squirrelWho ratted out P'nut the squirrel? Grieving owners have their theory — and it's a rich oneKat (and other Free Press folks) on the symbols of the election:First dates: it's Le Cirque or nothing:https://x.com/bendreyfuss/status/1851756223185760668 This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comIn our last episode before the election, Kat and Phoebe discuss mushroom mommies, Britcom asexuals, cryptopolitical lesbians, and secret apostrophes.LINKS:Kat's investigative report: The Middle-Class Women Who Are Tripping Balls | The Free PressPhoebe's close read on Mrs. Councillor Nugent: 'Our forefathers practically went their entire lives without an…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the big NYT expose on the death of DEI, the trap of self-mythologizing, and the mystery of the Democratic party's man problem.LINKS:How DEI DIED: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.htmlPhoebe called this 1000 years ago:https://x.com/BovyMaltz/status/1846729114541015289The law school, THE LAW SCHOOL!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss cancellable food takes and entertainment recommendations. Links:Post your cancellable food take!… WAIT NO NOT THAT ONESociety of the SnowKat on Megalopolis: Phoebe talking about Nobody Wants This on the CJN Bonjour Chai podcast

Kat and Phoebe discuss a blackmail sextortion scheme, a pair of rabid and possibly incestual raccoons, and the de-centered men who can't quite hit de center of de toilet bowl.NOTES:I Decentered Men. Decentering Desire for Men Is Harder. - The New York TimesWhat is going on in this picture:Do non-white men pee standing up? An unsolvable mystery.‘Am I a Snob Or Is He a Simpleton?' - by Heather Havrilesky This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comSpecial guest "C," a.k.a. Cartoons Hate Her, a.k.a. Donald Trump impressionist extraordinaire, joins the podcast to talk about the men who waste women's fertile years in going-nowhere relationships, the myth of the nubile nanny, and the difference between an ultimatum and a marriage proposal. Also, Phoebe is not mad at the New York Times real estate sec…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a sexual harassment training, a MeToo memoir, and a firing controversy at a very fancy New York City private school.LINKS:MeToo memoirs continue to trickle in: An artist retrospective: Montreal-born Jill Ciment's memoir asks 'Me Too?' after the factMy Adventures in Deconstruction | The New YorkerM.J. Koch's Free Press story, My Fr…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the urban legend of cat-eating Haitians, Trump's not-so-great debate with Kamala Harris, and JD Vance's identity crisis.LINKS:Goose on the loose: https://x.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1834084575401717899Ted Cruz, not a literalist: https://x.com/tedcruz/status/1833174142591365185The actual cat-eater: born in the USA!Someone was accu…

Kat and Phoebe discuss a dead squirrel, a controversial magazine cover, and a New York Times essay on air conditioning by the world's smuggest, sweatiest man.LINKS:The New Yorker cover that launched a thousand takes:-Wesley Yang and others interpret the cover of the New Yorker: https://x.com/wesyang/status/1830979536986472586Counterpoint:https://x.com/MiriVinni/status/1831352406657167416Scissor statements: Sort By Controversial | Slate Star CodexPhoebe's a/c guy rant: Sweaty but saintlyKat's ode to the social history of booze: What School Didn't Teach Us: You Need to Lose Control | The Free Press This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the cancellation of a Jewish book event by a rogue disgruntled employee, the changing character of Toronto's Roncesvalles neighborhood, and alcohol as a social good.LINKS:Bookstore drama: https://x.com/joshualeifer/status/1826086333875630245NY Post coverage: https://nypost.com/2024/08/21/us-news/nyc-bookstore-cancels-event-citing-…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat was on a lot of drugs and Phoebe was on a plane for 729 hours, but we podcasted through it, so that's fine. Topics include the scourge of AI image generators, Kat's sort-of-viral essay about cat ladies, and Phoebe's impressions of the Sex and the City sequel series.Links:If we had to see this so do you.Kat, defensive and coping:Phoebe on Euro aesthe…

By popular request, Kat and Phoebe discuss ballerinas, farms, and Ballerina Farm.LINKS:The infamous Times article: My day with the trad wife queen and what it taught mePhoebe on Ballerina Farm: MomfluenzaKat on tradwives: The Paradoxical Freedom of Tradwife Tiktok This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the return of the self-flagellating white woman, the rise of Brat Girl politics, the war on childless cat ladies, and the petting of hairless cats.LINKS:On Wednesdays we wear... not pearls and Converse or we're racists.https://x.com/meghan_daum/status/1815884959204401336https://x.com/rekhilperts/status/1815467609069912123The white…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the post-assassination discourse, ear-wound conspiracy theorists, the MAGA wife aesthetic, and what on earth is going on with J.D. Vance's hands.LINKS:Canceling cashiers:https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1813320436702400568Who is J.D. Vance's Wife Usha and Why Isn't She ‘Raring' to Become Second LadyMAGA women (and men, and humans…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the memory-holing of Kat's entire early career oeuvre, Phoebe's theory of eternal youth, and the culture critics who want every show to be an after-school special.LINKS:A reflection from Kat: The MTV News Archive Is Gone—and That's OK-Phoebe is still angering her fellow Canadians, and has a theory: https://x.com/BovyMaltz/status/1…

Kat and Phoebe do a post-mortem on the recent presidential debate.Links:Biden his time: Phoebe Maltz Bovy on watching the sorry state of U.S. politics from north of the borderAmerica Doesn't Need Momala Harris | The Free Press This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a kink-shaming incident in the Cyclades, a wife-seeking incident on Twitter, and a line of clothing that repels the sun, the men, or both. LINKS:-Who needs mail-order brides when there are truck-stop sweeties? https://x.com/shagbark_hick/status/1804929793420677153?s=46&t=UOIT2B6ilGTmoEH9aY9RDQWe're Entering a Joyful New Era of Les…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a traumatic tree takedown in Kat's neighborhood, a whisper network for women of a certain age, and a sundress that caused a civil war amongs online trad types. (Pictured: not the sundress, but a $10 doppelganger spotted in a local Charlotte Russe just hours after recording, which just goes to show… something.)LINKS:Miranda July is…

Phoebe apologizes for the print version of her bisexuals article appearing during Pride month, while Kat unpacks the controversy surrounding a certain judge's wife's flag-flying proclivities. Then: divorce! Does it make you hotter, or does it just make you sad? Links:When your wife is fond of flying flags: Inside the Clash That Prompted the Alitos' Upside-Down Flag - The New York TimesAs CPAC dismisses claims that its stage resembled a Nazi insignia, Hyatt calls hate symbols 'abhorrent'When the O.K. Sign Is No Longer O.K. - The New York TimesNike Drops ‘Betsy Ross Flag' Sneaker After Kaepernick Criticizes It - The New York TimesKat on the hot new divorcées: Does Divorce Make You Hotter? | The Free Press This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

Kat and Phoebe discuss a Catholic kicker's commencement-speech controversy, two literary autopsies of the Great Awokening, and whether communion wafers taste like flesh. LINKS:Harrison Butker is Catholic. So What? | The Free PressThe speech in full : Bubba: A Cancel-Culture Casualty – but Not in a Town Without Pity | RealClearInvestigationsNellie Bowles and Katherine Brodsky: Jewish women dangerously recap the cancellation era in new books reviewed by Phoebe Maltz BovyKat in Unherd: Why progressives want to forget George Floyd - UnHerdBooks mentioned:Morning After the Revolution: Dispatches from the Wrong Side of History a book by Nellie BowlesNo Apologies: How to Find and Free Your Voice in the Age of Outrage--Lessons for the Silenced Majority a book by Katherine Brodsky This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe